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01:01 <@Dagmar> OMG
01:01 <@Dagmar> TEH PATCH IZ LARGERS!
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01:11 < eryc> wow?
01:11 <@Dagmar> Yep
01:11 <@Dagmar> It might damn well go live tomorrow
01:11 <@Dagmar> Some people are saying next week, but I've seen nothing to lend credibility to that
01:12 <@Dagmar> The PTR has been stable for awhile now and most of the more onerous bugs have been unceremoniously stomped flat
01:12 <@Dagmar> ...so it might well go live in the morning
01:12 <@Dagmar> Then it'll be time to sell all those herbs I've been hoarding
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01:12 < eryc> ahh hehe
01:12 <@Dagmar> Seriously I've got close to 1,000 peacebloom alone
01:13 < eryc> cha ching
01:13 <@Dagmar> Damn skippy
01:14 <@Dagmar> I unloaded just 1/2 of that on the test server and made nearly 10,000 gold
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02:13 <@Catonic> http://i35.tinypic.com/dztob9.jpg
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02:17 <@Catonic> RFC 2321
02:35 <@Dagmar> You must hit YouTube for "Time for Some Campaignin'"
02:51 <@Dagmar> As per usual, the Nashvillians LJ has more ignorant trolls than rational people.
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07:05 <@Shadow404> meow
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07:05  * Shadow404 netsplits all over I-MOD's mom
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07:21 <@rattle> Holy bejesus!  http://www.electoral-vote.com/
07:21 <@rattle> Go big O!
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07:25 < ware> wth is up with freenode lately
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07:30 <@Shadow404> ware: yeah, it even less stable then the ircd you use to admin
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07:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:02 < ware> hehe
08:02 < ware> SUP D
08:05 <@Dolemite> lewser!
08:05 <@Dolemite> I still can't believe you bailed on the meeting.
08:05 < ware> i didnt really mean to
08:05 <@Dolemite> uh huh
08:05 < ware> it was all PN stuff im sure
08:05 <@Dolemite> The first 2 hours were...
08:05 < ware> and im a lowly volunteer
08:06 < ware> was the anarchy anything more than 'hey where we going to eat at?'
08:06 <@Dolemite> then SkyDog showed pics from his hard drive recovery class
08:06 <@polerin> all praise our lord and master!
08:06 <@polerin> :P
08:08 < nated0g_wrk> hard drive recovery class!?!
08:08 < nated0g_wrk> sweet
08:08 < ware> yuh, i heard he was the 4th person ever to ace the test
08:09 <@Dolemite> one of 4 people
08:09 <@Dolemite> because two were in that class, so 3 and 4 were basically tied
08:09 < ware> ooohhh
08:10 < nated0g_wrk> is it just theory or lab time involved?
08:10 <@Dolemite> it was mostly lab
08:10 < nated0g_wrk> bet that was awesome
08:12 < nated0g_wrk> bet it wasnt cheap either
08:13 <@Dolemite> I think he traded sexual favors for it.
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08:41 < ware> http://drbiagio.com/images/scuba%20horse.jpg
08:41 < ware> rofl
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08:45 <@oddball> Anyone know anything about 11 digit phone numbers?
08:45 <@polerin> they has 11 digits :P
08:45 <@polerin> out of country?
08:46 <@oddball> Naienko has been called a few times by someone where the cell's caller ID is 25215843370
08:48 <@Shadow404> its the feds calling your phone so they can bounce a physical trace off the cell towers
08:48 <@oddball> heh
08:48 <@Shadow404> as an active call pings the towers quicker than a phone does in standby, they can get a more accurate position
08:48 <@Shadow404> and then the spy sattelite zooms into the predicted location
08:49 <@Shadow404> oh and those things can see through buildings you know
08:49 <@polerin> I  don't see a country code of 2
08:49 <@polerin> so I'm not sure :P
08:49 <@polerin> though..
08:50 <@polerin> somalia has a country code of 252 and a city code for Hargeysa of 1
08:50 <@oddball> If it is international... my bet would be Mexico.
08:50 <@polerin> so it might be someone in that location with a pone number of 5843370
08:50 <@oddball> hmmm... ok
08:52 <@polerin> that has the right number of digits, except for the 1 after the 252, which they aren't showing in most of these listings
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08:53 <@polerin> TEL :  (252) 213 80 01
08:55 <@oddball> Which would also explain why they call in the middle of the night/early morning.
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09:09 <@Shadow404> im still going with my super secret fed locating technique
09:10 <@coil> im glad i dont have a phone anymore
09:11 <@coil> feds can't find me now
09:11 <@coil> muwhahaha
09:13 <@Shadow404> yet your connected to irc
09:13 <@Shadow404> ....
09:14 <@coil> no i haxed some proxy
09:15 <@nachoguy> mr0nin]
09:25 < booker404> oh yeah, that'll stop em...
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09:31 <@someninjamaster> anyone got a phreaknic countdown clock going
09:31 <@nachoguy> the bot used to have a function for that
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09:34 <@someninjamaster> time?
09:34 <@someninjamaster> thetime?
09:35 <@nachoguy> countdown to arbitrary events
09:36 <@coil_> lol it took me two days to find out that the wep key is 1234567890
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09:39 <@Dolemite> Great, the one day that it rains I have to go to a meeting across campus
09:41 <@Shadow404> awww, did poor Dolemite melt?
09:42 <@Dolemite> not yet, I've got to leave in 5 minutes
09:42 <@Shadow404> rains here tomorrow
09:42 <@Dolemite> But I do have an umbrella, it's just a pain in the ass to deal with
09:43 < booker404> if your umbrella is a pain in the ass, I would speculate you're using it wrong...
09:43 <@Dolemite> booker404 : I'm ok until I get it past the handle...
09:44 < booker404> Dolemite: keep practicing...  you'll be past that in no time
09:49 <@someninjamaster> umbrella in the ass haaaaaaaa ha
09:49  * someninjamaster is doing the ken sebben laugh
09:50 <@Shadow404> heh
09:50 <@Shadow404> whois 70.42.252.23
09:50 <@Shadow404> lawl
09:50 <@Shadow404> didnt know that till now
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10:06 <@nachoguy> gun nuts, check this out: http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/Dan_wesson.htm
10:15 <@I-MOD> dayum...that's a beast
10:15 < nated0g_wrk> sweet im listed in the QRZ database now
10:16 <@oddball> It's a .357 magnum with a huge chunk of metal attached to the barrel... for some reason.
10:16 <@brimstone> for a handle, when you run out of bullets and need to start swinging
10:16 <@oddball> heh
10:17 <@brimstone> maybe to help with recoil?
10:17 <@oddball> Yeah, it would probably help with muzzle flip.
10:18 <@coil_> no
10:18 <@oddball> If you want a true beast revolver, there's always the Smith & Wesson .500cal revolvers.
10:18 <@nachoguy> supposedly for stability
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10:19 <@oddball> Or the Magnum Research BFR.
10:21 <@I-MOD> yeah, it's more accurate, if you can still hold it up to fire for any significant amount of time :D
10:22 <@nachoguy> I-MOD, well, you can always go for the extendable tripod
10:23 <@nachoguy> who doesn't love a hand cannon that has a built in extendable tripod
10:23 <@brimstone> on a hand cannon?
10:24 <@brimstone> herm
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10:43 < ware> harumpp
10:47 < ware> Mail Goggles
10:47 < ware> by Jon P
10:47 < ware> Google strives to make the world's information useful. Mail you send late night on the weekends may be useful but you may regret it the next morning. Solve some simple math problems and you're good to go. Otherwise, get a good night's sleep and try again in the morning. After enabling this feature, you can adjust the schedule in the "General" settings page.
10:48 <@Shadow404> ware: thats so a feature you need to have enabled
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10:50 < ware> i enabled it
10:50 < ware> i need screen to lock automagically and do that :P
10:51 <@coil_> ???
10:51 <@brimstone> a little scripting can do that ware
10:52 < ware> ctrl+a x would do wonders even, tho my passwords are usually a tough enough barrier
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10:55 < Someninjaiphone> WTF
10:56 < Someninjaiphone> Is happening at vandy
10:56 <@coil_> bomb
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11:03 < ware> Someninjaiphone_: belmont presidential debate n00b
11:04  * shadowmoss makes note to avoid Nashvegas tonight
11:14 <@Evilpig> skydog: diane over at francis can't open a photoshop file? she's asking my narketing girl for the graphics in jpg. wtf?
11:17  * oddball is considering talking to his boss about banning space heaters at work.
11:18 <@critch> umm, wtf rehab for sex addiction, http://www.zap2it.com/celebrities/news/zap-davidduchovnyleaverehabsexaddiction,0,4805443.story
11:18 <@Evilpig> goodluck on that i failed wjen i tried that
11:18 <@oddball> apparently there are many who feel that a space heater is delicate, and must be plugged into the battery side of a UPS.
11:18 <@oddball> critch: ummm.... that happened a month ago.
11:18 <@Evilpig> we have women that forget and leave them on when they leave too
11:19 <@critch> this story was him checking out.
11:19 <@oddball> ah
11:19 <@Evilpig> oddball: i have the beer fridge in the server room on a ups. :)
11:20 <@oddball> well, that's important!
11:20 < ware> MORAN
11:20 <@oddball> Oh, and I'm guessing it's not causing the UPS to overload and trip everytime someone tries to print.
11:22 <@dasunt> For Cisco, what's the difference between a "front-end ip" and a "back-end ip"?
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11:27 <@oddball> ~weather 37211
11:27 <+MxZBot> It's Overcast in Antioch, Nashville, Tennessee. It's 68.5 F (55 M, 20 C, 293 K).  Wind to the SE at 1.1Mph/1.8Kph.
11:28 < booker404> sounds damn nice
11:28 <@oddball> yup
11:28 < booker404> ~weather 30071
11:28 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Historic District, Norcross, Georgia. It's 77.1 F (68 M, 25 C, 298 K).
11:28 <@brimstone> ~weather 12345
11:28 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Lisha Kill, Colonie, New York. It's 53.2 F (32 M, 11 C, 284 K).  Wind to the North at 3.0Mph/4.8Kph.
11:28 < booker404> looks ok via the security cameras...
11:29 < booker404> I used to live right near there... a /lot/ of foreigners used that zip code for "social networking" sites...
11:29 <@Neoteric> so if anyone's in line already cause they're gonna get to ask a question tonight please ask "why is she so dumb" or something close
11:29 <@Neoteric> ... I have a bet and if that question gets asked I get $1
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11:30 < booker404> ~weather 99501
11:30 <+MxZBot> It's Overcast in KTUU-TV, Anchorage, Alaska. It's 33.0 F (2 M, 0 C, 273 K).
11:30 < booker404> wow, perfect beer-keeping temp ;)
11:31 < ware> my aunt/uncle live there
11:33 <@dasunt> ~weather 55025
11:33 <+MxZBot> It's Light Rain in Glenview Weather Station, Lino Lakes, Minnesota. It's 53.2 F (32 M, 11 C, 284 K).
11:34 <@rhia> ~weather 75206
11:34 <+MxZBot> It's Partly Cloudy in East Dallas, Dallas, Texas. It's 76.5 F (67 M, 24 C, 297 K).
11:34 <@coil_> ~weather 78244
11:34 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Randolph AFB, Texas. It's 76 F (66 M, 24 C, 297 K).  Wind to the NNW at 16Mph/26Kph.
11:34 < ware> ~weather difficult, tn
11:34 <+MxZBot> It's  in . It's  F (-47 M, -17 C, 256 K).
11:34 <@coil_> ~weather tok, ak
11:34 <+MxZBot> It's Light Freezing Fog in Jacob Williams, Jackie Circle, Tok, Alaska. It's 19.0 F (-19 M, -7 C, 266 K).
11:35 <@rhia> odd, i'm looking at local temps from 3 stations, none are that warm... ~shrug~
11:35 <@Neoteric> fat naked spaniard on japanese tv being angry: http://www.fnn-news.com/news/headlines/articles/CONN00141928.html
11:35 <@Neoteric> and of course: http://www.ironicsans.com/2008/10/skywalker_hope_posters_and_shi.html
11:36 <@coil_> hi i can't read japanese
11:37 <@rhia> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_fe_st/as_odd_japan_skinny_dipper;_ylt=AjyHrdAbVwl1DXbal7H9hTYuQE4F
11:37 <@rhia> there ya go, coil
11:37 <@coil_> thanks
11:38 <@Neoteric> coil: all you have to do is watch the video
11:38 <@coil_> i am
11:39 <@coil_> just kinda hard trying to use my japanese to english translator and watch it at the same time
11:39 <@coil_> lol throwing rocks at the boat
11:40 <@rhia> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081005/od_afp/japananimalcatoffbeat;_ylt=AkrCxfOinnUtY2gH_KA.UYYuQE4F
11:40 <@rhia> wonder if they'll clone that cat
11:42 <@coil_> just waht we need, more cats
11:43  * Catonic_lp wanders
11:43 <@coil_> they'll clone it or eat it, one of the two
11:44 <@rhia> sigh .... one asian culture is not interchangeable with another ..... why not accuse the Russians of the same?
11:45 <@nachoguy> ~weather 60606
11:45 <+MxZBot> It's Overcast in Cabrini Green, Chicago, Illinois. It's 61.8 F (45 M, 16 C, 289 K).  Wind to the South at 1.0Mph/1.6Kph.
11:45 <@nachoguy> woo, back in Cabrini Green
11:45 <@coil_> what, the koreans eat cats?
11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: because we still accuse the Russians of being Stalinists, even though Stalin is long since dead
11:45 <@coil_> i thought it was the japanese
11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: North Koreans will eat anything
11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Famine will do that to you
11:46 <@coil_> those damn communists
11:50 <@nachoguy> Stalin isn't dead, he's just resting.  He's undead.
11:52 <@Shadow404> what level, is he elite?
11:52 <@Shadow404> what does he drop?
11:52 <@coil_> jew bombs
11:53 <@coil_> oh that was hitler
11:53 <@coil_> nm
11:54 <@nachoguy> he dual wields a hammer and sickle.
11:55 <@nachoguy> He also has the ability "YakoffSchmirnoff" that will cause you to do the opposite of the action you wish to do.  Lasts 4 turns.
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11:57 <@coil_> nerds
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Morning, Alex
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> LTNS
12:03 <@TheFed> Morning all
12:05 <@dasunt> In a telco order concerning a multilink ppp setup, what would the abbreviation "DIA" stand for?
12:06 <@brimstone> Dumb Intern Available
12:06 <@dasunt> Hey, I'm not an intern!
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12:07 <@dasunt> I'mk seeing phrases such as "tackled the DIA at this point" and "install for the DIA order"
12:07 < booker404> Demarc Interface Adapter?
12:08 <@dasunt> That makes sense.
12:08 <@dasunt> Thanks.
12:08 <@brimstone> booker404: god so help you if you are throwing logic into this...
12:08 <@dasunt> So what's an "IP cut" then?
12:08 <@Shadow404> demarc interface accumalator
12:09 <@dasunt> Figured out most of this, I think.  Front-End IP is on a /30 subnet, which provides 2 devices, so that's probably the internal network for the router.
12:09 <@dasunt> Back-end IPs are a little more cryptic, but its a /27 network, and says "IP Cut", so I'm assuming they have a few static IPs.
12:10 < booker404> front-end is probably the CPE to ISP...
12:10 < booker404> tell ya what, send me the paperwork and $200, I'll get it back to you by the end of the next business day
12:11 <@dasunt> Heh.
12:11 <@dasunt> booker404: That's about the paperwork.
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12:14 <@dasunt> DIA could also be "dedicated internet access" I guess.
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12:15 <@dasunt> As for speed, I think I do a pretty good pace, even on crappy rims.  :D
12:26 <@brimstone> dasunt: meant for #bike-nuts?
12:28 <@Shadow404> brimstone: should that be #rimjob
12:29 <@brimstone> ah, thanks Shadow404, totally didn't of a sexual joke
12:29 <@Dolemite> brimstone : Yeah, listen to Shadow404.  He's an expert on #imjob.
12:29 <@Dolemite> er, #rimjob
12:30 <@Shadow404> IMJOB, well yeah, im good at Instant messaging on the job
12:30 <@Shadow404> we actually use irc for work
12:30 < Cinotac> Shadow404: I have got to give up this hobby
12:31 < Cinotac> it's too damn much work to work on repeaters
12:31 <@Shadow404> why? you rather simplex?
12:31 <@Shadow404> or you admin repeater?
12:31 < Cinotac> Yeah, I admin a repeater.
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12:32 <@Catonic> ]/op Catonic_lp
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12:33 <@Shadow404> oh wow, new phone scam
12:33 <@Shadow404> heh, gotta love it
12:34 <@Shadow404> so its a computer that calls you and says, we are calling to confirm your loan tranaction, to complete the loan, you must own a bank account, do u have a valid bank account. Then it asks for the number to complete the transaction of the loan money into your account
12:34 <@Shadow404> i gave it a bunch of 69696969 numbers till it moved to the next step
12:34 <@Shadow404> asked for everything needed to basically take all the money out of your account
12:34 <@brimstone> ug, how much asterisk is in that setup?
12:35 <@Feltenix> I bet they have called tech support too
12:35 <@Shadow404> i dont know, but its a scam, cause that was my work line and they sid it was a loan for some bert thompson person
12:35 <@Shadow404> it was all a computer voice
12:35 <@brimstone> ya know, i'd like to build a system that could dial a mass amount
12:36 <@brimstone> say hit, all possible us numbers in under 4 days
12:36 <@brimstone> before the news could react
12:36 <@Feltenix> but your phone bill...
12:36 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: you got a CB antenna?
12:36 <@brimstone> at $0.002 a minute, it doesn't matter
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12:36 <@brimstone> yes, less then a cent a minute for some voip providers
12:37 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: only one i could find was in napa
12:37 <@Shadow404> it was a 3 part whip
12:37 <@Shadow404> mast, connecter and then shorter metal piece
12:37 <@Shadow404> ill have to find a whip from a trucker store
12:37 <@Catonic_lp> dude, you need to learn to start making your own antennas then
12:38 <@Shadow404> hey, i made the last two
12:38 <@coil_> what provider is that brimstone
12:38 <@Shadow404> the beam and the jpole
12:38 <@Catonic_lp> nah, if you go whip, you need to use something that's full-sized
12:38 <@Shadow404> and they work better than the mobile antenna i bought
12:38 <@Catonic_lp> jpole and a beam are both gain antennas.
12:38 <@brimstone> coil_: several
12:38 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: hmm, so let me show you what i found so far
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12:40 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: sign onto gmail or something
12:40 <@Shadow404> can copy and paste url across this workstation
12:40 <@Shadow404> *can't
12:40 <@coil_> i need to lrn2asterisk
12:40 <@coil_> so i can take advantage of this
12:41 <@Catonic_lp> aim coming up
12:41 <@Shadow404> thats the closest antenna i could find
12:42 <@Shadow404> no other stores around, radioshack doesnt really carry antennas like that anymore since they revamped their store model a year ago
12:42 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: no. Bad.
12:42 <@Shadow404> exactly why i didnt buy it
12:42 <@Catonic_lp> 108" whip.
12:42 <@Shadow404> i need to get the full wave whip cb antenna, dont aye?
12:42 <@Catonic_lp> or, just use a dipole.
12:42 <@Shadow404> link?
12:42 <@Catonic_lp> use a fucking piece of EMT conduit
12:43 <@Shadow404> emt conduit, me googles
12:43 <@Shadow404> oh, ok
12:43 <@Catonic_lp> Jesus. I have a vast vocabulary for the vernacular of several trades.
12:44 <@Catonic_lp> anywho, tirading aside, you can cut down a CB antenna to make a 10m antenna
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12:47 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: yes, that was the idea
12:47 <@Shadow404> but i need to find a full 108" cb antenna to begin with, or like you side, make my own to 10m spec
12:47 <@Catonic_lp> I forget there's a novice subband or several on HF
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12:48 <@Catonic_lp> you can do a lot of things.
12:48 <@Catonic_lp> if you want to build antennas, build one per band. If not, just build a discone.
12:49 <@Catonic_lp> my preference is simple dipoles or gain antennas made of dipoles
12:49 <@Shadow404> hmm, got a suggested homebuild antenna for 10m?
12:50 <@dasunt> brimstone: Heh, mischan.,
12:50 <@Shadow404> btw, finished installing the jpole in the attic functionally
12:50 <@Shadow404> just got some last minute things to do
12:51 <@Shadow404> like add pipe insulation around the copper pipes so it doesnt contact the roof insulation, this step is moreso cause im paranoid of short circuit
12:57 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: gonna bring the base to phreaknic?
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12:59 < nated0g_wrk> yeah i need to come up to PN, just to shoot the shit with ham people
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13:00 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: gonna bring the base to phreaknic?
13:01 < nated0g_wrk> brb lunch
13:01 < booker404> I plan to bring my http://radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php ... but I'm not sure if I'm doing the foxhunt or not...
13:04 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: yeah
13:04 <@Catonic_lp> if I remember to program it in time
13:06 <@Catonic_lp> scary...
13:06 <@Catonic_lp> I set my status in FB to an Office Space line and five minutes later, I've got four comments.
13:13 <@Shadow404> fb?
13:13 <@Shadow404> oh, that site
13:13 <@coil_> that corporate site
13:16 <@Catonic> hrm
13:16 <@Catonic> catonic_lp is way out of sync
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13:20 <@Evilpig> SkyDog_: I just left word at the office for the marketting girl to give her to go ahead to print
13:20 <@Catonic> Shadow404: you're going to have to come up with 30A at 12V reliably.
13:20 <@Catonic> the 10m/6m radio isn't rated for less than 100W.
13:21 <@Evilpig> anyword on how full the hotel is yet?
13:24 <@Dolemite> I can almost guarantee that it's just like every year...   30 people or so will make reservations ahead of time, but most will wait until the week of PhreakNIC
13:24 <@Catonic> making mine now
13:24 <@Dolemite> see?
13:24 <@Evilpig> heh
13:24 <@Catonic> want me to ask any questions?
13:24 <@Evilpig> i'm gonna do mine tonight
13:25 <@Catonic> do it in the but
13:25 <@Evilpig> need to remember to pre-reg too.  need to find out what named my guest wants on the badge
13:25 <@Dolemite> "pin cushion" not work?
13:25 <@Evilpig> haha
13:26 <@Evilpig> I was kinda thinking "fresh meat"
13:26 <@Catonic> off the phone
13:26 <@Dolemite> will we even see you during PN weekend or will you be locked in the room the whole time?
13:26 <@Catonic> who's up for pre-con drunkacon?
13:26 <@Evilpig> I plan on staying out of the room mostly.  
13:26 <@Catonic> NotLarry: you, me, and a bottle of rum
13:26 <@Evilpig> Catonic: is that the thursday night drunk-a-thon on the 9th floor?
13:26 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Don' forget, you need to help me finish getting to 70 before Nov 13 ;)
13:26 <@Catonic> yassir
13:26 <@Evilpig> no joke
13:26 <@Dolemite> I'm about to ding 63
13:26 <@Evilpig> gimp is 63 now
13:27 <@Evilpig> no wait.  62
13:27 <@Evilpig> almost 63
13:27 <@Dolemite> I started to do quests again last night.  I spent the last week working on trade skills.
13:27 <@Shadow404> Catonic: ack
13:27 <@coil_> ding fries are done
13:27 <@Evilpig> i'm at zabra'jin right now.  nearly done with all the solo stuff gonna have to get a group soon
13:28 <@Dolemite> yeah, I just got there last night
13:28 <@Dolemite> did all the swamp rat post quests first
13:30 <@Evilpig> I need help with the bloodscalp leaders.
13:32 <@Catonic> Shadow404: why are you not in the beerhacking talk?
13:33 <@Dolemite> Catonic:  Three reasons
13:33 <@Catonic> Dolemite: Because he's a whiney bitch?
13:34 <@Catonic> Dolemite: Because he's a goob?
13:34 <@Dolemite> 1.  Shadow404 continues to use Mr. Beer and says with a straight face that they are "just as good as other extract kits"
13:34 <@Dolemite> 2.  Shadow404 did not contribute to the content in the talk
13:34 <@Dolemite> 3.  Shadow404 was not invited to contribute, mainly due to #1 above.
13:34 <@Evilpig> heh
13:35 <@Evilpig> beer snob
13:35 <@Dolemite> Yes
13:35 <@Evilpig> i'm getting back to work now
13:35 <@coil_> mr beer
13:35 <@coil_> sounds like win
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13:42 <@sdodson> What's wrong with Mr. Beer?
13:44 <@critch> Isn't that like asking what is wrong with Mr. Pussy?
13:44 <@Dolemite> Or why not to use a PhreakNIC condom as your only form of protection when fucking Corydon?
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13:45 < ware> no ur a towel
13:45 <@coil_> i personally like Mr. Coffee
13:45 < ware> no ur a coffee
13:45 <@I-MOD> Mr. Fusion
13:45 <@I-MOD> or mr^2
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13:46 <@coil_> What's the matter with this thing, what's all that churnning and bubbling, you call that radar screen?
13:47 <@coil_> No, sir. We call it, Mr Coffee. Care for some?
13:47 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I'm thinking it's best to set you up with 55W instead of at 100W for the 2m radio. Occasionally poorly made antennas "burn free" at points of poor construction.
13:47 <@Dolemite> Mr. Beer has several things going against it.  First and foremost is that the fermenter they provide is not at all durable.  If you use any kind of abrasive cleaner on it, you've worn off the food safe layer and are now leeching PVC directly into your wort.
13:48 <@Dolemite> Second is that the fermenter itself is just a screw on lid with a hole in it, which can easily allow contaminant air back into the batch.
13:49 <@Dolemite> Then there's the whole quality of the brews issue.  They can up what is basically wort concentrate with the hops already added, so the longer it sits on the shelf the more like a skunk it smells.
13:51 <@nachoguy> yeah, I was reading about Mr. beer this weekend.  The wort concentrate sounded like an interesting/bad idea
13:51 <@nachoguy> the PVC thing is scary and I hadn't read that
13:52 <@Dolemite> Granted, I brew extract kits, but they are only an extract of the malts and you still have to add in dry malts and hops in the cooking process.
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13:52 <@Dolemite> Mr. Beer bypasses about 90% of the cooking process.
13:52 <@Dolemite> I have a good analogy in my presentation that you'll enjoy
13:53 <@Dolemite> If opening a can of Chef Boyardee is the extent of your meal preparation, then Mr. Beer is for you.
13:53 <@Dolemite> Saying that you "home brew" with a Mr. Beer kit is like saying that you built your own PC because you chose your options at dell.com.
13:54 < ware> *mindblown*
13:54 <@Shadow404> hey, but mr.beer is a cheap starting point to see if you even enjoy homebrew
13:54 <@Dolemite> I myself bought a Mr. Beer kit.
13:54 <@Dolemite> I used it once
13:54 <@Shadow404> then you go out and buy the right stuff
13:54 <@Dolemite> But you keep going back to Mr. Beer, Shadow404.  On purpose, even.
13:55 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: ok, i must admit, i did two batches cause it came with two
13:55 <@Shadow404> uh, no i dont
13:55 <@Dolemite> You've reversed your position from last year
13:55 <@Shadow404> uh?
13:55 <@Shadow404> i havent used mr. beer since those two first batches of beer i ever made
13:55 <@Dolemite> I know there are people in here with IRC logs from a year ago.  You were claiming that the Mr. Beer kits were good and the you were going to order some more.
13:55 <@Catonic> is the yeast dead at the end of the cycle?
13:56 <@Dolemite> Catonic : No
13:56 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: ok, maybe i did say that
13:56 <@Shadow404> but i havent dont more than 2 batches of beer in a mr.beer kit
13:56 <@Shadow404> before i got the supplies from my dad to do the 5 gallon batches properly
13:56 <@Dolemite> My homebrew supply store in Murfreesboro is going out of business :(
13:56 <@coil_> fight fight fight
13:56 <@Shadow404> aww
13:56 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: buy them out
13:57 <@Dolemite> But at least I picked up 3 cases of 1 liter easy cap bottles for $21 each
13:57 <@Shadow404> when everythign goes on sale
13:57 <@Shadow404> nice
13:57 <@Dolemite> It already is on sale.  40% off and the place has been picked pretty clean.
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13:57 <@Shadow404> cool
13:57 <@Dolemite> I still have All Seasons near work, though
13:57 <@Shadow404> that place is cool
13:57 <@Dolemite> I just liked supporting my little local one
13:57 <@Shadow404> very eco friendly thinking
13:57 <@Shadow404> yeah, i have no close by shops
13:58 <@Shadow404> i have to go up to the roswell road/285 area from powder springs for my closest one
13:58 <@I-MOD> homebrew is still technically illegal in alabama....
13:58 <@coil_> moonshine
13:59 <@Catonic> so is sodomy
13:59 <@I-MOD> true
13:59 <@Dolemite> yes, it's illegal in AL, but yet several supply stores exist
13:59 <@I-MOD> yet people do both
13:59 <@Dolemite> at the same time?
14:00 <@coil_> so is keeping an ice cream cone in your back pocket on sunday
14:00 <@I-MOD> i wouldn't put it past people to do both at the same time
14:03 <@Catonic> sodomy supply stores exist in AL? I thought those were outlawed too...
14:04 < nated0g_wrk> back from lunch
14:04 <@Catonic> http://www.waaytv.com/global/story.asp?s=8698600
14:04 <@Catonic> hrm... so now it's not a martial aid, it's a medical device.
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14:11 <@critch> Catonic: they always were. First vibrators were made by doctors to take care of women.
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14:11 <@critch> well at least the electric ones were
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14:14 <@shadowmoss> critch: and what are they made to do now?
14:14 <@critch> same thing
14:15 <@rhia> shadowmoss: well, the original purpose was to treat "female hysteria"
14:15 <@timoguin> I just spent about ten minutes trying to figure out why I couldn't connect to the school's network.
14:16 <@timoguin> I could ping the gateway and resolve names, but couldn't ping external address.
14:16 <@Catonic_lp> rhia: otherwise known as "you need to get off, NOW!"
14:16 <@timoguin> *addresses
14:16 <@Catonic_lp> it's not natural to not have sex.
14:16 <@timoguin> Then I opened the browser, and my homepage loaded.
14:16 <@timoguin> Then I realized LAN to WAN ping is blocked.
14:16 <@rhia> which makes sense if most 'leaving the victorian era' couples thought that sex was something that women had to endure, not enjoy ... that'd tend to make me a bit hysterical at times, too ;)
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14:17 <@rhia> in today's vernacular, it's boiled down to "You _really_ need to get laid"
14:17 <@Catonic> mercy fuck, etc.
14:18 <@shadowmoss> oh... thought they were to incite hysteria...
14:18 <@Catonic> as opposed to reciting hysteria, which is the baliwack of Def Leppard.
14:22 <@shadowmoss> isn't it 4:30 yet?
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14:23 <@oddball> I wish
14:24  * shadowmoss smooches oddball 
14:24  * Catonic tazes shadowmoss for good measure
14:25  * shadowmoss gets up and glomps Catonic 
14:26 <@oddball> thanks Catonic
14:27 <@critch> hehe, I think I want to take this poster to a IHOP, SFW http://fukung.net/v/6704/1189183404863_1.jpg
14:27 <@tzanger> http://www.grc.com/miscfiles/WallStreet.jpg
14:27 <@tzanger> text not sfw
14:28 <@oddball> critch: I don't know... I think some folks at my place of work would be highly offended.
14:29 <@critch> oddball: okay, some might get offended, but it wouldn't be a fireable offense in most places.
14:29 <@oddball> true
14:29  * oddball is thankful to no longer working in a fishbowl.
14:31 <@shadowmoss> I keep trying to get into our corporate online anti harassment class
14:31 <@shadowmoss> it won't let me in
14:31 <@shadowmoss> I feel harrassed
14:33 <@I-MOD> all that did for the guys here is teach them how far they could go without getting in trouble....
14:33 <@oddball> boss still being a dick to you?
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14:42 <@Dagmar> Wow the people on the Nashvillians LJ are in especially trolly form today
14:42 <@Dagmar> Fuck 'em
14:42 <@oddball> Yeah... I saw
14:42 <@Dagmar> This stuff about Garriot on Slashdot is hilarious..."Mostly, NASA wants to know if he can heal himself or provide resurrection to the other astronauts in case the experiments goes awry."
14:42 <@Dagmar> Gotta have a cleric on the mission, or at least a paladin.
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14:42 <@oddball> I almost responded to the one that infered that you were a member of the KKK... funny stuff
14:43 <@Dagmar> Man I can't believe that chick brought up the Pat issue
14:43 <@Dagmar> That was a fatal argumentation flaw if ever there was one.
14:44 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to point out to people that they need to be prepared to act quickly if someone starts acting a fool, and she cites a perfect example of where it FAILED HORRIBLY because everyone around decided it was all someone else's problem.
14:44 <@Dagmar> Pat died because his "friends" all either fled, or simply didn't bother to get him out of there once the police were called.
14:45 <@Dagmar> ...and she was all "I WAS HIS FRIEND" and "I WAS THERE"
14:45 <@Dagmar> I had to say "fuck it" and just ask flat out "Why didn't you get him out of there when the police were called, then?"
14:47 <@rhia> "well, not really a _close_ friend, just kinda knew him, but not enough to, ya know, get _involved_ or anything."
14:48 <@shadowmoss> oddball: not really, any more than usual.  this is just a required thing, and I'm bored anyway
14:49 <@Dagmar> One win is that up until today when I googled it, I didn't know Citizen's Arrest was illegal in North Carolina.
14:50 <@Dagmar> I was pretty specific in my verbiage in the original post, and it was in line with Citizen's Arrest statues as I have come to understand them, which boil down to "If you saw it happen" and "You're not a dick about it"
14:51 <@rhia> not being a nashvillian, linkage and/or info on "Pat"?
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14:51 <@Dagmar> One moment
14:51 < morgellon> hoy hoy
14:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Is that the guy who died from the taser blast?
14:51 <@Dolemite> blast(s)
14:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah.
14:52 <@Dagmar> Patrick Lee.
14:52 <@Dagmar> He hung out at Bongo.
14:52 <@Corydon76-dig> I love the defense of the weapon... "It's only occasionally fatal."
14:52 <@shadowmoss> The one who was looking at life in prison if the cops arrested him?
14:52 <@Dagmar> It looks like things are mostly panning out in the right way in his case
14:52 <@Dagmar> shadowmoss: That's the one
14:53 <@Dagmar> I just found a liability verdict against Taser International
14:53 <@Dagmar> http://www.lawyersusaonline.com/index.cfm/archive/view/id/431360
14:53 <@Dagmar> Unlike what that twit on LJ is claiming, the wrongful death suit against the cop has not yet completed.
14:54 <@Dagmar> He was on LSD and valium, and had been smoking weed earlier, we *know* for a fact
14:54 <@Dagmar> He got unruly in the club, they kicked him out, he wouldn't leave.
14:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Getting unruly in a club and not leaving makes you subject to life in prison?
14:54 <@Dagmar> He was being a jerk outside, refused a cab that was called for him, and so they had to call the cops
14:55 <@Dagmar> No, but having drugs on you and having two VERY recent prior arrests will do it
14:55 < ware> weeee ellisdee!
14:55 < ware> you ARE a towel
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14:57 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: Like, literally the guy had *just* gotten back from doing a seven-month stint
14:58 <@Dagmar> At the point where he was kicked out, frankly his "friends" should have been watching over him, knowing he was fucked up
14:58 < ware> two officers who shocked Patrick Lee, 21, up to 19 times as he was unarmed and naked outside a Nashville nightclub on Sept. 22. Lee died two days later.
14:58 <@Dagmar> ...but it appears most of them bailed because they were fucked up.
14:58 < ware> you dont leave your friends when youre trippin
14:58 <@Dagmar> ware: Yeah, the cop who got there was actually probably going to write him a ticket until he started acting all weird and *dropped some weed*
14:58 < ware> and you usually dont trip in clubs
14:59 <@coil> hi ima dumbass and ima trip in a club
14:59 <@coil> that's the best enviroment for tripping!
14:59 <@brimstone> you do if you have bad footing
14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: I'll take your word for it, having never been high
14:59 <@coil> no wonder he freaked the fuck out
14:59 < ware> http://www.lawyersusaonline.com/index.cfm/archive/view/id/431360
14:59 <@Dagmar> Then he got really out of control and took off his shirt, and wound up losing his pants when the cop had to grab him
14:59 <@Dagmar> So he was basically running around naked and sweaty in the parking lot of the Cannery.
15:00 < ware> and id assume not himself at all
15:00 < ware> bet that was a helluva tript ho
15:00 < ware> tho*
15:01 <@Dagmar> It doesn't help that Taser International was telling everyone that the things were safe, in abeyance of all the reports that when someone's on something and get tasered, there's an unacceptably high probability that their body is going to react like it just got an HD50 level (lethal dose) of whatever they were on
15:01 <@Dagmar> Like, especially now with my elbow being all torn up I am very aware of just *how* "skin unfriendly" asphalt is.
15:01 <@Dagmar> If I had thought it was safe I'd have tasered the hell out of someone to avoid tackling them on asphalt while nude.
15:01 <@shadowmoss> <cough> all the gear, all the time <cough>
15:02 <@Dagmar> pbbblt
15:02 <@Dagmar> There was a HUGE stink in the press around here about it because of all the people who were apparently feeling guilty for abandoning their friend wanted someone else to blame it on
15:03 <@critch> shadowmoss: you don't need all the gear on a scooter if you can easily pick up 50lbs, oh yeah, it is Dagmar...
15:03 <@shadowmoss> critch: while I don't know the story, I'm guessing it wasn't the 'picking up 50 lbs' that did it so much as the laying it down
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15:03 <@Dagmar> Mainly the gravel and dust
15:04 <@Dagmar> The damn thing literally shot out from under me
15:04 <@critch> shadowmoss: Right, but how heavy is a scooter? How hard is it to put a foot down and hold it up. Just screwing with Dag.
15:04 <@Dagmar> critch: Yeah that didn't actually work
15:04 <@shadowmoss> critch: you seem to be ejoying digging at him a lot about this, perhaps some personal baggage on your part?
15:04 <@Dagmar> If I had gotten any traction (and I wear crosstrainers all the time) I would have been fine
15:05 <@shadowmoss> unlike me, who just enjoys chasing dag for the hell of it
15:05 <@Dagmar> heh
15:05  * shadowmoss smooches Dagmar 
15:05 <@critch> shadowmoss: The only time anyone has seen me drop mine was while playing around in a parking lot, showing I could do donuts at scrape the pegs. I was fine till I was done and tried to use the throttle to pull up.
15:05 <@Dagmar> Hey all things considered I still think I just plain fucked up there
15:06 <@shadowmoss> 'anone has seen me'
15:06 <@Dagmar> I should have just run the fucking sawhorse down
15:06 <@shadowmoss> s/anone/anyone
15:06 <@Dagmar> ...but rest assured that sawhorse got what was coming to it
15:06 <@critch> shadowmoss: the other 3 times where while riding off road.
15:06 <@oddball> a sawhorse jumped out in front of you?
15:07 <@critch> come to think of it, one of the offroad incidents was with some people.
15:07 <@shadowmoss> more like galloped :)
15:07 <@Dagmar> No, but it was there and when the thing started to slide that's what I was heading for
15:07 <@shadowmoss> horses and scooters don't mix
15:07 <@Dagmar> If I hadn't minded flattening the thing I probably would have been able to correct
15:08 <@Dagmar> I knocked it over anyway
15:08 <@shadowmoss> poor horse
15:08 <@Dagmar> pfft.  a real horse I would have gone under
15:08 <@critch> hmm, Dow under 9500 now
15:08 <@coil> the world is gonna end
15:08 <@shadowmoss> I'm not looking at my 401(k)'s right now
15:08 < jb7[D]> well we knew that...
15:09 <@Dagmar> Did you see the report that someone coldcocked the CEO of Lehman Brothers at his gym?
15:09 <@critch> good idea
15:09 <@coil> cuz we base our world around numbers
15:09 <@Dagmar> Just punched his lights out and left
15:09 <@shadowmoss> that is a 'real-world' response :)
15:10 <@Dagmar> His testimony before congress was funny stuff
15:10 <@Dagmar> They like to talk about CEOs salaries should be huge because of all the "risk" they're taking on
15:11 <@shadowmoss> what risk?  they get a paycheck
15:11 <@Dagmar> Clearly Congress is seeing a disparity between that and reality when a failed company's CEO is still taking home seven digits plus
15:11 <@critch> yes, but like everyone, the kind of job they do effects the next job they get and the salery there
15:12 <@shadowmoss> as you said, like everyone else
15:12 <@Dagmar> "Politicians accused Fuld of earning more than $500 million in bonuses and wages while working at the bank, including $106 million in 2006 alone, while failing to properly address Lehman's difficulties."
15:12 <@rhia> critch: which is why they can rape a company, halve it's value, then go on to make MORE at the next company (cough*Carly*cough)
15:13 <@rhia> yeah, that's a lot of risk on their part
15:14 <@Dagmar> I think (hope) we're about to see "risk" manifest
15:14 <@Dagmar> They should slap him with criminal charges and make him pay restitution
15:14 <@Dagmar> If he's such a financial genius he should have no problems rebuilding his retirement fund
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15:20 <@rhia> you mean that securing massive mega-bonuses for brass before asking for a government handout isn't playing fair?
15:20 <@Dagmar> Apparently not.
15:20 <@Dagmar> Who knew?!?
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15:27 < GodFix[HC]> /2
15:29 <@Dagmar> /3
15:29 < GodFix[HC]> still learning my way around irssi
15:30 <@brimstone> /4
15:31 < GodFix[HC]> quick, what's the subnet mask for a class a /5 CIDR
15:32 <@shadowmoss> 255.?.?.?
15:32 <@critch> 248.0.0.0
15:32 <@critch> top 5 bits equals 248
15:33 <@Dagmar> 11111000.00000000.00000000.00000000
15:33 < GodFix[HC]> it would be 248.0.0.0
15:33 <@shadowmoss> err, yeah, that's what I meant...
15:33 < GodFix[HC]> except you would have something like - subnets
15:35 <@Shadow404> casual back pain, not chronic, shoudl i see a chiropractor or a massage therapist?
15:35 <@critch> depends on the cause
15:35 <@Shadow404> sitting at my desk, but this pain i get only happes once in a blue moon, so like once every 2 months
15:36 <@critch> After oddballs fire and the pain in my back, I hit up a chiro and it solved my problem pretty quick. Have someone check for missalignment to decide.
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15:37 <@Shadow404> ok, good idea
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16:12  * polerin bleh's
16:13 <@shadowmoss> time to get ready to leave... finally!
16:13 <@shadowmoss> nite all
16:13 <@critch> nearly there myself
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16:58 < jb7[D]> g00d aftern00n #se2600
17:00 <@Dagmar> Fresh pink skin is annoying
17:01 < jb7[D]> ( - _  O   )
17:04 <@rattle> Woah.
17:04 <@rattle> The Fed is going to do direct short term lending to corps.
17:05 <@rattle> Well, that's one way to ensure key areas of the supply chain don't break down..  But..  fuck..
17:05 <@Dagmar> It's a temporary solution at best
17:05 <@rattle> It better fucking be a temporary solution!
17:06 <@Dagmar> Pfft.  Screw going into town
17:06 <@Dagmar> It's going to be raining hard from 7pm onward
17:06 <@Dagmar> The hippies will have to take care of themselves.
17:07 <@polerin> phht.
17:07 <@polerin> hippies + rain == free shower :)
17:07 <@polerin> I considered toign outside myseld
17:07 <@rattle> Those short term loans are used to fund the purchase of goods which when sold pay off the loans.
17:07 <@polerin> myself
17:07 <@rattle> Things like cars, lumber, food, etc..
17:08 <@rattle> Basically, the kind of things that have to sit on a ship for a month.
17:08 <@rattle> It's kind of scary that the credit market is so destroyed, the fed has to start propping up industry directly.
17:08 <@rattle> Like, not by tweaking a number, or a policy, or a regulation..  But direct fucking lending.
17:09 <@Drag0n>  thats because the problem is the lenders fucked up
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17:25 < jb7[D]> the lenders did fuck up.
17:26 < jb7[D]> bad
17:27 <@Drag0n> what gets me is, this bailout is just rewarding them fucking up
17:27 < jb7[D]> they preyed themselves into a hole. if it all rides on 'confidence' then replacing all of them is the only way to restore it. replacing them with ppl who aren't stupid enough to take the money and run the day before the rest of the nation realizes there's no blood in the turnips they've roped in over their heads.
17:32 < jb7[D]> we had to claim. we were lent and shouldn't have been and i knew it but if the job ain't payin, they make the offer, spam the stupid (us in this case), and when they offer enough rope- hey... how am i supposed to feel when they realize that the rope is in fact on THEM?!
17:32 <@polerin> the problem is that we are hanging from the end of the rope too
17:33 <@polerin> those lofty towers will crumble and crush everything beneath them
17:33 < jb7[D]> well... we're already crushed. crush yourself before it's too late.
17:37 <@Drag0n> considering this bailout isnt helping anyone but the fatcats, had an offer today for a job, but before they could finish the paperwork, the company had a freeze
17:41 <@polerin> ack
17:42 < cerkit> unfortunately, my technical analysis on the s & p was entirely reflected today in the DOW.
17:42 < cerkit> small arching uptick, and flood selling.
17:42 < cerkit> anybody whose interested in retiring in the next decade or so, should really consider inflation-linked bonds.
17:43 < cerkit> Drag0n: you believe this bailout will actually help someone?
17:43 < cerkit> Boy, you're optimistic.
17:44 <@Drag0n> yeah, the congresmen
17:44 < cerkit> Did you not see the overnight libor jump by 66% this morning?
17:44 < cerkit> You could King Henry the 8th...
17:44 < cerkit> could be*
17:44 <@Drag0n> libor?
17:44 < cerkit> yes
17:44 < cerkit> the fucking LIBOR
17:44 < cerkit> thats what the bailout was meant to fix
17:45 < cerkit> credit markets.
17:45 <@Drag0n> in english?
17:45 < cerkit> ok
17:45 < cerkit> he 700b was not for fatcats, as you've assumed, it seems
17:45 <@Drag0n> just what libor means
17:45 < cerkit> nor stock market
17:45 < cerkit> s*
17:45 < cerkit> but was instead
17:45 < cerkit> an investment in banks to increase inter-banking lending
17:45 < cerkit> in short, the credit markets
17:46 < cerkit> LIBOR
17:46 < cerkit> is an indicator related to interest rates used for inter-bank lending
17:46 < cerkit> if the bailout was working
17:46 <@Drag0n> and what does L.I.B.O.R. bloody stand for is what i was askin
17:46 < cerkit> it would be going down to the more normal level of 1.5-2% of the fed funds rate
17:46 < cerkit> london inter-banking something or other
17:47 < cerkit> london
17:47 < cerkit> interbank offer rate
17:47 < cerkit> happy?
17:47 <+MxZBot> happy is i
17:47 < cerkit> :)
17:48 < cerkit> its important to understand the economic framework and the approach of the bill.
17:48 <@Neoteric> okay fuck this I'm out
17:48 < cerkit> but the bottom line is, you're corect, it has been largely a failure.
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17:48 < cerkit> but not because it gave money to fatcats
17:49 < cerkit> because banks made entirely irrational investments.
17:49 <@Drag0n> well, in this case, i was refering to the congress critters
17:49 <@Drag0n> but thak you for the education
17:49 < cerkit> they know as much about libor, as we
17:49 < cerkit> what could you expect?
17:49 < cerkit> :)
17:49 < cerkit> its complicated stuff.
17:50 < cerkit> congresspersons probably shouldn't need to know
17:50 < cerkit> thats largely the problem with out country though.
17:50 <@Drag0n> well, if they are spending money, mabey they should
17:50 < cerkit> we lack discpline; we hyperfocus and then neglect.
17:51 < cerkit> now we have people with no meaningful understanding of the conditions, "leading" us through.
17:51 < cerkit> this is not optimal, and is rather distant from ideal.
17:51 < cerkit> heh
17:51 < cerkit> about the only people qualified to make meaningful comment are people like Bernanke.
17:51 < cerkit> the man's study this exact event his whole career.
17:52 < cerkit> studied.
17:52 < cerkit> sorry
17:52 < cerkit> we're lucky we have him.
17:53 < cerkit> any other member of this administration howsoever, i'm willing to tar, feather and/or burn at the stake, depending on who becomes the majority in their outsting :)
17:56 < cerkit> Drag0n: here, by the way, is a place you can get indicators on the rather opaque US credit market: http://www.cnbc.com/id/26905693/
17:56 < cerkit> overnight libor being an important one right now.
17:57 <@rhia> gotta luv McCain playing both ends ... "I voted for the bill, but Bush should veto it!"  al-righty
17:57 < cerkit> rhia: yeah, I saw that interview too.
17:58 < cerkit> I told a friend, after seeing it, it was the exact kind of move you could expect from soneone running a campaign where none of your expectations of the presidency are ever managed.
17:58 < cerkit> you get both sides.
17:59 < cerkit> Mr. McCain may be the most advanced politician of all though, for having learned to apply the quantum mechanics principle of superposition, to his politics.
17:59 < cerkit> hahahahhahaha
18:00 <@Drag0n> quantum politics
18:00 <@Drag0n> schrodingers ballotbox
18:00 < cerkit> thats what we might get
18:00 <@Drag0n> might?
18:01 < cerkit> I hear the GOP is planning to challenge voters with addresses of foreclosures in the hardest hit states.
18:01 < cerkit> No address, no vote.
18:01 <@rhia> eh, i agree with Bill Maher about him... when our parents/grandparents start acting like he has this campaign, we start looking for nursing homes
18:01 <@rhia> yeah, Michigan is one of them
18:02 <@rhia> Wisconsin GOP is telling people that registering to vote leads to identity theft
18:02 < cerkit> thats very catch-22 though, is it not?
18:02 < cerkit> Republicans essentially ran the government, that lacked the oversight, resulting in those foreclosures; then they can use that as a measure to stay in office?
18:02 < cerkit> I'd imagine thats actually actionable.
18:03 <@rhia> eh, they figure the foreclosures will vote Dem, so, to stay in office, keep 'em from voting
18:03 < cerkit> oh no, i get that part.
18:03 < cerkit> i'm considering the legality
18:03 < cerkit> if in fact it happens
18:03 <@Drag0n> yeah, but with all the deleted e-mails, who can know
18:04 < cerkit> Well, the evidence is  in fact damning of the US government, and very much in favor of any voter who sued.
18:04 < cerkit> Hours of tape...
18:04 <@rhia> they apparently aren't too afraid of the legality aspect of a lot of what they do
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18:04 < cerkit> of most of both sides admitting
18:04 < cerkit> they did not provide correct oversight
18:04 < cerkit> in public hearing
18:04 <@Drag0n> considering the government can call the no prosecute clause
18:04 < cerkit> thats an essential admission of awareness and fguilt
18:05 < cerkit> and its perfectly renderable in court.
18:06 < cerkit> I suppose if you're voter, you should be surprised to get paid, despite being so successful.  By then the dollar might not have any value.
18:06 < cerkit> One of the potential outcomes of what our Federal Reserve has been and will continue to do, is the kind of hyperinfalation we've seen in places like Zimbawawe quite frankly
18:06 < cerkit> In their dramatic attempts to restore the system and avoid asset deflation.
18:07 <@rhia> check out Iceland
18:07 < cerkit> I know.
18:07 < cerkit> Its sad.
18:07 < cerkit> 2 states already admitting problems with their own budgets.
18:07 <@Drag0n> sweeden is looking better and better
18:08 < cerkit> Drag0n: how will it look surrounded by the chaos?
18:08 < cerkit> :)
18:08 < cerkit> muhahahahaha
18:08 < cerkit> j/k
18:08 <@Drag0n> fine, plenty of islands to hide on
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18:09 < cerkit> I'm not entirely negative on the situation.
18:09 < cerkit> There are other outcomes.
18:09 < cerkit> However less likely.
18:09 < cerkit> In Zimbawawe a loaf of bread requires $12,000,000 of their dollars.
18:10 < cerkit> Because of poor domestic currency control.
18:10 < cerkit> The Fed will auction a fresh $900 billion to banks this month.
18:10 < cerkit> It has been doing this since December, ramping up in March.
18:11 < cerkit> Think about it.
18:11 < cerkit> There will be some deflationary -- massive valuation collapse -- or hyperinflationary consequence.
18:12 < cerkit> Its just a matter of how, which and when.
18:13 < cerkit> For any of you especially young people...
18:13 < cerkit> Prior to the events beginning December of last year, the Fed's entire lending operation was $800b.
18:14 < cerkit> You do the math.
18:14 < cerkit> (Queue printing press sound effects)
18:15 <@rhia> need more money? Print more! What's that crashing sound?
18:15 < cerkit> Everyone I see who needs money, I tell: oh, its easy to get.  Close your operation now.  Open a bank. :)
18:15 <@rhia> doesn't help any that we've exchanged our factories for assembly plants ....
18:16 < cerkit> Observe also how terrifyingly ironic that is.
18:16 < cerkit> needs money -- open a bank
18:16 < cerkit> thats where we are
18:16 < cerkit> oh, debates on!?
18:16 < cerkit> shit.
18:17 <@rhia> trading trangible goods for intangibles isn't the best way to weather economic storms, but, what the hell, the C(letter)(letter)s raked in millions!
18:17 < cerkit> i'm fuckin' up
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18:17 < cerkit> what time is the debate on?
18:17 < cerkit> i thought it was 7
18:17 <@rhia> make that obscene multi-millions
18:17 <@rhia> last two were 9 eastern
18:17 < cerkit> oh ok
18:17 < cerkit> *phew*
18:18 < cerkit> thought I got all ego-economical, and forgot the debate.
18:18 <@rhia> got it set to record on BBC, prefer seeing the international responses immediately after instead of the talking bobble heads on US media
18:18 < cerkit> I hope Obama takes like a whole moment to frame this motherfuckers healthcare swindle.
18:19 < cerkit> rhia: I watch it on Public Broadcasting Station.
18:19 <@rhia> i don't want to see him get aggressive, but a tad more assertive would be refreshing
18:19 <@rhia> i watch on PBS, record on BBC
18:20 < cerkit> he plans to switch you (average) $12,500 healthcare plan, with a $5,000 tax credit.  And he gets the $5,000 by taxing all companies employee healthcare plans for the first time ever.
18:20 < cerkit> obama needs to make that shit clear.
18:20 <@rhia> for every "He's right" there should be a "He's absolutely wrong."
18:20 < cerkit> thats enough for anyone to not vote for him.
18:20 <@rhia> I know
18:20 < cerkit> assertive?  agggressive?
18:20 <@rhia> but i can't even get my dad, an accountant and comptroller, to drop the FOX blinders long enough to look at that
18:20 < cerkit> no.
18:20 < cerkit> he just sit down on the step, and laugh every so often
18:21 < cerkit> and say, shit like
18:21 <@rhia> assertive - stand up for the beliefs, aggressive is attacking
18:21 <@rhia> BIG difference
18:21 < cerkit> "its sad that you think the american people are worth $5,000 whilest you swindle healthCARE companies"
18:21 < cerkit> over and over
18:21 < cerkit> thats all that matters
18:21 < cerkit> do you like going to the doctor?
18:22 < cerkit> vote obama!
18:22 < cerkit> hahahaha
18:22 < cerkit> i mean my gawd.
18:22 <@rhia> still, shame he has to tread on eggshells to not appear as an uppity reparations black entitlement monger
18:22 < cerkit> then he should let citizens
18:22 < cerkit> come up
18:22 < cerkit> and say this shit
18:22 < cerkit> hahahaha
18:22 < cerkit> then he appears like someone who wants to hear from america
18:23 <@rhia> would do wonders for this country if someone at FOX would unplug the microphones for the next month
18:23 < cerkit> I think the stupid people would find somewhere else to broadcast, and listeners to follow.
18:24 < cerkit> Stupidity is part of a natural balance.
18:24 < cerkit> Otherwise man might innovate on some exponential level, leading to our destruction.
18:24 <@rhia> cerkit: i read a lot of far right stuff, too - as well as get the GOP/RNC emails daily, begging for money ... scary stuff
18:24 < cerkit> Stupid people create "just enough" destruction, to keep things tame.
18:24 < cerkit> Until some real disaster, like a comet or asteroid comes along.
18:25 < cerkit> Notice everything seems to lead to our eventual destruction.
18:25 < cerkit> That part sucks.
18:25 <@rhia> unfortunately, a whole lotta people, esp older ones, have quit thinking and just accepted FOX at their word of being fair and balanced
18:25 < cerkit> heh
18:26 < cerkit> rhia: thats cool.  they are the types to pray in a hurricane then too.
18:26 < cerkit> in other words, they're bound for a particular destination
18:26 <@rhia> while O'Reilly is one of the most unbalanced individuals on TV, including "reality" crap like The Hills
18:26 < cerkit> extinction.
18:26 <@rhia> gotta get the chicken in the oven
18:26 < cerkit> i've come to accept my misguided religious friends and family.
18:27 <@sdodson> wait, what's wrong with FNC?
18:27 <@rhia> i accept them, but they don't return the favor - parents have threatened to never speak to me again if i vote Obama .....
18:27 <@rhia> gonna miss them
18:27 <@rhia> ;)
18:28 < cerkit> yeah
18:28 < cerkit> tell them bye for me
18:28 < cerkit> obama for me, it shall be.
18:28 < cerkit> sdodson: who will you vote for?
18:31 <@rhia> really disheartening thing is that, due to what he'll inherit in office, not a whole lot Obama can quickly fix --- then the cries of "See, told you he wasn't capable!" will rise up from every Red backer
18:32 < cerkit> Personally, I don't think that will matter very much.
18:32 < cerkit> When reality sets in, it does just that.
18:32 <@unixfag> If Bush still has supporters, I'm not terribly worried for Obama.
18:32 < cerkit> Anything the president will have to say will likely be welcome.
18:32 <@rhia> can wish he has the mystical magic wand to just wave over the country and "Bing!" everything's allll better now, but that just ain't the way it works
18:32 < cerkit> rhia: In some ways, he does, and that will.
18:33 < cerkit> rhia: A good amount of whats going on, is a crisis of confidence.
18:33 <@sdodson> cerkit: probably Obama, grudgingly
18:33 <@rhia> we'll see, but i hold out little hope while our economy is tanking
18:33 < cerkit> it is the natural cycle.
18:33 <@sdodson> Still not sure if now is a good time to buy a home or not.
18:34 < cerkit> we had a the 50 year commodity boom months before.
18:34 < ware> hey rhia!  did you see my host?  w@i.gets.money.out.ya.pussy.cuz.ima.p1mpdaddy.com
18:34 <@rhia> cerkit: there is that, this administration and filibustered congress haven't exactly garnered a lot confidence
18:34 < ware> hai sdodson !!!!
18:34 < cerkit> followed by restriction to credit.
18:34 < ware> \m/
18:34 < cerkit> followed by evaporating equity.
18:34 < ware> followed by intense overwhelming feelings of paranoia
18:34 < cerkit> all of this is what Ben Bernanke has wished to avoid at all costs -- in its very essence, this IS, asset deflation.
18:34 <@rhia> ware: oh, how ... adult ... see you're doing well on that maturity stuff you've been working on so hard ;)
18:35 < ware> :D *hugs*
18:35 < cerkit> rhia: what will follow will be historical.
18:35 < cerkit> of that, there ought to be no doubt.
18:35 <@sdodson> ware: what up yo?
18:35 < ware> sdodson: haxn f00 all the time
18:35 <@rhia> anywhich, if i don't get that bird in the oven, the cats will have an early raw dinner tonight
18:36 < cerkit> enjoy
18:36 <@sdodson> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27055285/
18:37 < cerkit> Are you surprised by this?
18:37 < cerkit> In July most banks closed all lines of home-equity credit.
18:37 < cerkit> This was due.
18:37 < cerkit> (By this I mean a major retraction in consumer credit)
18:38 < ware> cerkit: youre one of those wikipedia freaks i bet
18:38 < cerkit> I read, yes.
18:39 <@sdodson> is gross before or after taxes?
18:39 < cerkit> But, from many places.
18:39 < cerkit> are you asking me?
18:39 < cerkit> or ware?
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18:41 <@sdodson> cerkit: It's a factual question, either of you can answer.
18:41 < cerkit> haha
18:41 < cerkit> oh
18:41 < cerkit> let him answer this one-- I'm afk a bit.
18:41 < cerkit> I've been talking too much as it is.
18:41 <@sdodson> cerkit: no! you
18:44 < sasquatc3> sweet, early ballots showed up
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18:49 < ware> sdodson: ur gross
18:49 <@coil_> no u
18:50 < eryc> sdodson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_income
18:52 <@sasquatc4> wow, franklin tn is on nbc nightly news
18:52 <@sdodson> OMG FOR WHY?
18:52 <@coil_> sdodson: is trolling
18:53 <@sdodson> coil_: is failing at irc
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18:54 <@coil_> how
18:56 < eryc> u need to check ur colon
18:57 <@coil_> how do i do that
18:57 < eryc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonoscopy
18:57 < booker404> that's one thing you actually don't need to take your head out of your ass for...
18:58 < eryc> zing
18:59 < ware> coil: lol
19:01 < ware> lol u
19:01 <@coil_> oichowub
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19:22 < jb7[D]> ( -   _  -) <meow)
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19:23 <@coil_> irc as root much?
19:26 < jb7[D]> it's a vm, go to work
19:27 <@coil_> 216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15216.24.201.15
19:27 <@Feltenix> well that's fun
19:28 < jb7[D]> well you're right thogh.
19:28 < jb7[D]> brb ;D
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19:29 < jb7[D]> so responsible
19:29 < jb7[D]> lol
19:35 < M0j0-j0j1> and gross
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21:00 <@SkyDog_> Sigh. Too bad I can't carry a weapon on campus at vandy. I was so close to eliminating the possiblity that McCain could take power.
21:01 < booker404> did he just say the world is flat? "all four corners of the earth..."
21:01 <@SkyDog_> haha!
21:01 <@SkyDog_> I believe that he did.
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21:08 <@sdodson> So there are like metaphors and stuff
21:08 < ware> SkyDog_: ROFL
21:12 <@SkyDog_> We're sitting at the HC, yelling at the 10' screen. McCain... jebus.
21:14 < cwire> if only he'd spilled the water onto his microphone
21:14 <@SkyDog_> hehe! Phantom power for the win!
21:16 < cwire> haha
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21:19 <@SkyDog_> Heya hobbes!
21:20 <@hobbes615> hey hey
21:20 <@hobbes615> hows it going
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21:24 < cwire> ha, reigniting the old cold war that he said would never start up again?  nice
21:28 <@SkyDog_> Going pretty good. Sitting at the HC with a few of the guys.
21:30 <@hobbes615> nice
21:31 <@hobbes615> watching the debate?
21:32 <@SkyDog_> Yeah.
21:32 <@SkyDog_> Streaming it from CBS, onto the 10' screen.
21:34 < cwire> ha, owned
21:37 <@Evilpig> i'm playing wow with dolemite and smoking him on dmg
21:38 <@Evilpig> while wearing a red dress
21:39 <@Dagmar> lol
21:40 <@Dagmar> Let's see if I get banned from the Nashvillian's LJ
21:42 <@Dagmar> Some silly git brought up the issue of Patrick Lee getting tased in that thread I started where I *tried* to advise people to be mentally prepared to grab someone to keep violence from escalating
21:42 <@Dagmar> ...cuz those moments just race right by you.
21:43 <@Dagmar> ...and now since I've dared to imply Pat's "friends" might have bailed on him instead of getting his ass out of there when the cops were called, some dimwit's calling it "unacceptable" and wanting me banned
21:44 <@Dagmar> I still think those people were all shits for not taking him out of there
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21:59 <@I-MOD> 2
21:59 <@I-MOD> stupid keyboard
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22:03 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: *ping*
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22:25 <@rhia> Dagmar: welcome to entitlement america - responsibility is "unacceptable"
22:26 <@Dagmar> Either way, I can't _wait_ to see what that ninny says about what specifically they find unacceptable
22:26 <@Dagmar> I wasn't the person to bring it up, but I can't think of a better example of how small things build up to something completely out of control than that evening.
22:27 <@Dagmar> There were at least five different points that someone, including Pat, could have put the brakes on things.
22:27 <@sdodson> What am I supposed to be responsible for now?
22:27 <@rhia> Cindy McCain seemed a bit reluctant to shake hands with y'all nashvegas southern rabble after the debate <g>
22:27 <@Dagmar> ...and if I ever hear it confirmed that his girlfriend was actually in town playing hooky like one person tried to tell me, I will chew her out like a war criminal
22:27 <@Dagmar> rhia: Because this is not friendly territory for them
22:28 <@Dagmar> She's risking a stinkfinger
22:28 <@sdodson> Unintentional, haven't mastered toilet paper yet.
22:28 <@rhia> according to the electoral maps, TN is more GOP than even TX
22:28 <@rhia> http://www.electoral-vote.com/
22:28 <@rhia> or is it Nashville itself you mean?
22:30 <@rhia> i know Dallas has seen an explosion of Obama/Biden bumperstickers on everything from Lexus' to Hummers to 20 yr old Hondas
22:31 <@rhia> but the D part of DFW isn't exactly "true" TX, tho a few megatons of 'real' money get tossed around here daily
22:32 <@sdodson> real?
22:33 <@rhia> as in, if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it 'real' money that your accountant sees but the wealthy can't be bothered with the concerning details over what people earning under 6 figures consider 'real' money (that which you actually hold)
22:34 <@rhia> D is the birthplace of neiman marcus - and apparently damned proud of it
22:37 <@sdodson> Sadly, making $100k isn't all that much lately.
22:38 < Cinotac> seymour, in..
22:39 < Cinotac> hometown of john cougar
22:43 <@rhia> sdodson: exactly
22:45 <@rhia> 'real' money is what wallstreet ceo's pull down in pay+bonuses a yr, what folks like us make are just wages
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22:48 <@rhia> real money is also what cindy mccain is worth - and john benefits from, along with government healthcare... no wonder he has a hard time with commoner issues
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22:49 <@Dagmar> Aha
22:49 <@Dagmar> Figured out why the face shield on my helmet wasn't locking
22:49 <@Dagmar> Fixed
22:50 <@rhia> so you can wear tinted shield and sunglasses again?
22:50 <@Dagmar> I dont' have a tinted shield.
22:50 <@sdodson> Is the annoying music when visiting www.americanexpress.com some security thing?
22:50 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm ordering one with the new helmet anyway
22:51 <@rhia> ah, that was it ... remembered you mentioning something about it
22:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah, basically the mechanism got knocked out of alignment a little
22:51 <@Dagmar> After I removed the faceplate and gearings and looked at them, and then put them back in, it's fine
22:51 <@Dagmar> It makes that "whup" noise that lets you know it just sealed when you close it
22:52 <@Dagmar> It wasn't quite getting there before
22:52 <@rhia> sdodson: tuned to the anti-terrerist frequency....
22:53 <@someninjamaster> im not a big fan of tinted face shields
22:54 <@Dagmar> I'd go for silvered reflective, but I'm not sure that would help
22:54 <@Dagmar> Driving west in the evening is a bitch for me
22:54 <@someninjamaster> yeah
22:54 <@rhia> someninjamaster: if your eyes were as photophobic as mine, you'd be a fan of wearing sunglasses under a tinted face shield in a dark tinted car
22:54 <@Dagmar> Sunglasses alone aren't enough.  In the car I can hide behind the sunshield
22:54 <@someninjamaster> but the tinted shields make night driving almost impossable
22:54 <@someninjamaster> from my experence
22:55 <@Dagmar> someninjamaster: Didn't you say you had an HJC CL-15?
22:55 <@Dagmar> The shield comes off in like a second flat
22:55 <@someninjamaster> cl-max
22:55 <@Dagmar> I'm jsut going to switch them
22:57 <@someninjamaster> damnit its going to rain all day tomorrow
22:58 <@someninjamaster> i guess ill take my car to get emission tested then
22:58 <@Dagmar> This old Logitech headset will be perfect for installing in the helmet
22:58 <@someninjamaster> i bought one of these for mine http://www.chatterboxusa.com/x1_bluetooth.html
23:00 <@Dagmar> Ouch.  $400 is a bit over my price range for this
23:00 <@Dagmar> Looks nice as hell tho
23:00 <@someninjamaster> its a little high but it does a ton of stuff
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23:00 <@someninjamaster> headset for my phone/ipod driver to passenger, driver to driver
23:01 <@Dagmar> At the moment I'm just worrying about getting FM radio in the helmet
23:01 <@someninjamaster> and voice activated so when someone takes a walnut to the chest you get to hear the string of fucks
23:01 <@Dagmar> OH that's mean
23:02 <@someninjamaster> it happened this weekend
23:02 <@someninjamaster> me and my dad were riding about 50 and a walnut fell from a tree can caught him in the chest
23:02 <@someninjamaster> he thought he had broken a rib
23:03 <@Dagmar> I'd say so
23:03 <@someninjamaster> the worst i have taken is a junebug
23:04 <@Dagmar> Yep.  Been there myself already
23:04 <@Dagmar> I've hit two large bugs like that so far.  Took one on the chest, and one thwacked my helmet
23:05 <@Dagmar> LOUD
23:05 <@someninjamaster> i hit some bug i dont know what it was but it covered a full quarter of my face shield
23:06 <@someninjamaster> i also had a big leaf stick to my face shield recently
23:07 <@Dagmar> Probably a big moth
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23:50 <@dasunt> Meh.
23:50 <@dasunt> I DON'T WANT TO WORK ON IOS TOMORROW!
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