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00:00 <@coil> oh
00:00 <@coil> ?
00:00 <@coil> crazy ass people
00:02 <@coil> Catonic, why would that change anything
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00:43 <@Catonic> boredboredboredboredboredboredboredbored
00:46 <@aestetix> vagina
00:47 <@Catonic> that's a shallow topic
00:48 <@aestetix> oh god
00:48 <@aestetix> the tequilla just hit
00:51 <@aestetix> the room is spinning
00:51 <@Catonic> if you stand still and jerk off, you get the effect of being in a circle jerk without having to show your dick to anyone but yourself.
00:53 <@aestetix> Did you figure that out before or after your mom asked if you were gay? ;)
01:03 <@Catonic> I have a 27-day supply of radio microphones
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01:19 <@coil> changing the subject
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01:37 <@Catonic> i take that back
01:37 <@Catonic> found the ones I was missing
01:37 <@Catonic> I have a 30-day supply of radio mics
01:50 <@coil_> yeah you better take that back
01:50 <@coil_> take that shit back
01:51 <@Catonic> now I want my new toys to show up
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07:06 <@Shadow404> i lawled: http://www.shadow404.com/143.sizes.@IMAGE_018.jpg?size1=XL
07:11 <@brimstone> easy access huh?
07:17 <@Catonic> just like fucking an anorexic
07:18 <@Catonic> nice
07:18 <@Shadow404> hehe
07:20 <@Catonic> Shadow404: you see my bit about how many radio mics I have?
07:20 <@timoguin> So...
07:20 <@timoguin> I'm going to setup my own DNS today for the first time.
07:20 <@Shadow404> timoguin: ok, i will help
07:21 <@timoguin> Should I go with BIND or DJBDNS?
07:21 <@Catonic> use bind 4 =)
07:21 <@timoguin> Or what?
07:21 <@brimstone> timoguin: bind 9
07:21 <@brimstone> it's the "standard" for dns
07:21 <@Catonic> if it's for class, use anything archaiac
07:21 <@timoguin> haha
07:21 <@timoguin> It's not for class.
07:21 <@Catonic> in that case... bind9 or djb
07:22 <@timoguin> Thank you for the helpful advice, Catonic.
07:22 <@Catonic> bind 9 is probably easier since djb seperates the resolver dns and the authoritative dns
07:22 <@Catonic> one your clients use to figure out how to get where they are going, the other lists how to get to your website
07:23 <@Catonic> the actual function is called recursion; for a non-client serving dns, you turn recursion off
07:23 <@Shadow404> bind 9, i can help you with that
07:23 <@timoguin> I want to set it up to resolve local hostnames and external domain names and also as the authoritive dns for my domain.
07:23 <@brimstone> timoguin: that's just 2 different views then
07:23 <@Catonic> if you want to do that ubersecure, it's two different servers
07:24 <@Catonic> actually if you use djb, it already is.
07:24 <@Catonic> but brimstone is right. you can use views to accomplish that.
07:24  * Catonic pats brimstone on the head and gives him a cookie.
07:25 <@timoguin> I am n00b.
07:25 <@Catonic> first step, get a copy of DNS and BIND from O'Rielly, then start drinking heavily.
07:26 <@timoguin> So what is the use of the mysql and postgres compile flags?
07:40 <@Catonic> dunno
07:42 <@Shadow404> timoguin: ill send you a bind9 template in a sec
07:44 <@Shadow404> done
07:49 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:51 <@timoguin> Shadow404: thanks.
07:58 <@Dolemite> timoguin : Compile flags, for mysql at least, allow you to optimize the database by taking out features you don't need, or adding in ones that aren't default options.  You can also specify which storage engines to use, as there are several, and each has its own strengths and weaknesses.
07:58 <@Dolemite> I don't do postgres, therefore I have nothing to say on what their compile flags are used for, but I would imagine it's the same case.
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08:03 <@Catonic> you know I love that ShadowHntr doesn't idle.
08:05 <@brimstone> yo momma doesn't idle!
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08:09 <@I-MOD> brimstone's momma idles like my '63 jeep!
08:14 <@timoguin> Dolemite: No, I'm talking about the mysql/postgres flags to compile BIND.  I knows it's to enable support for those databases.
08:14 <@timoguin> I was just wondering what use BIND has for either of them.
08:14 <@timoguin> What does it actually store there?
08:15 <@brimstone> you could store your records in mysql/postgres
08:15 <@brimstone> instead of flat files
08:15  * timoguin nods
08:20 <@Dolemite> bind doesn't support storing the configs in a database without 3rd party addons
08:20 <@Dolemite> I think that it allows you to store the statistics
08:20 <@Dolemite> ie log files
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08:40 <@timoguin> I just noticed they werepossible USE flags on Gentoo.
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08:42 <@brimstone> what's it cost to mail a letter these days? $0.41?
08:44 <@ladymerlin> i think its 42
08:45 <@Dolemite> you're assuming the cost of an envelope is nothing.
08:46 <@brimstone> and you're assuming i care
08:47 < ware> and time constraints
08:49 <@Dolemite> well you asked the cost to mail a letter, not the cost for a stamp
08:49 <@Dolemite> so if you don't care, don't ask
08:49 <@brimstone> so, how much does a letter cost?
08:49 <@brimstone> and how much does a stamp cost?
08:49 <@brimstone> according to you, i'm looking for a full breakdown of prices
08:49 < ware> letter is .03
08:49 < ware> stamp is .42
08:50 < ware> are you driving a car to drop the letter off?
08:50 < ware> or riding a bike?
08:50 <@brimstone> walking to the box
08:50 < ware> and you gotta think about oppourtunity costs regarding the time spent to walk out to the box, what is that going to cost you?
08:50 <@brimstone> opportunity costs, and cost of breakfast, my most recent meal
08:51 < ware> AND the weather
08:51 < ware> cant forget about that
08:51 <@brimstone> also add in the cost of the equipment used, the pen to address the envelope, and the shoes i used to walk over
08:52 < ware> energy spent as well as time walking out there... man this could get complicated
08:52 < ware> i would just not send it =/
08:52 <@Dolemite> Well an envelope may cost about $0.03, but the letter itself could be composed of a number of materials which vary in cost
08:52 <@Dolemite> Additionally, the inclusion of multiple pieces could drive the cost of the necessary stamp up to a higher rate
08:53 <@brimstone> it's just 3 pieces of paper, so the rate doesn't change according to usps.gov
08:54 <@Catonic> you also have to ask for if there is a cheaper rate
08:54 <@brimstone> no cheaper rate is provided at this time
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08:55 <@Catonic> now whenever I hear a legislator speak, all I hear is "durka durka durka."
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09:03 < ware> Catonic: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1832128
09:03 < ware> sfw
09:10 <@Catonic> the libertarians kept us out of vietnam
09:14 <@Catonic> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461 <- im scared. Very scared.
09:18 <@Catonic> im gonna say nsfw: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831329
09:20 <@Shadow404> dont forget about the cost to transfer teh data from the usps.gov site over your isp
09:20 <@Shadow404> and the cost of the energy it took to display this information
09:21 <@Shadow404> why not just scan the information into an email and send it, would cut a bunch of the ealier factors out of the equation?
09:24 <@brimstone> Shadow404: it's a direct payment request
09:24 <@brimstone> so, no, it has to be a letter :/
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09:26 <@Catonic> the cost of a human to sit in front of a computer all day long and wait for your individual request to arrive.
09:30 <@Neoteric> anyone roll out a DNSSEC enabled name server yet?
09:35 <@Shadow404> Catonic: serious question for ya.
09:36 <@Neoteric> Shadow404: lemmie help you out here, the answer is "penis".
09:36 <@Shadow404> lawl
09:37 <@Shadow404> Catonic: wanna be a groomsman in april?
09:39 < ware> oh i wanna go and get shitfaced
09:39 < ware> alcohol @ the reception?
09:39 < ware> :P
09:39 <@Shadow404> yeah, your on the "escort out of area list"
09:40 <@Shadow404> ware: i do care about the safety of the chairs
09:40 <@Dolemite> April 1, right?
09:40 <@Shadow404> heh, no
09:40 <@Shadow404> we did finally settle on a location after 3 months of searching
09:41 <@Shadow404> of course it had to be on the west coast just ot make it more of a challenge
09:41 <@Shadow404> ware: so ware, if you wanna be a wedding crasher, you gotta make it to vancouver island
09:42 < ware> wheres that at?
09:42 <@Shadow404> google it
09:42 <@Shadow404> tofino, vancouver island
09:42 <@Dolemite> For a start, I'd say its in Vancouver, Canada
09:43 <@Shadow404> not in exactly
09:43 <@Shadow404> its a huge island to the west of vancouver city
09:43 <@Shadow404> 1 hour ferry ride from vancouver
09:43 <@Shadow404> check out the photos of the place on google maps
09:45 < ware> looks like a sweet outdoorsy place
09:46 < ware> but thats a hell of a trip from here
09:47 <@someninja[HC]> quick to the chairmobile
09:47  * I-MOD hops in
09:48 <@Shadow404> yep, so hopefully, no ware interaction
09:48 < cerkit> Hmmm.
09:48 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I dunno, if I've already met the bridesmaids ... ;-)
09:48 < cerkit> Theres more pork in the Senate version of this bail out than there was in that breakfast sandwich I just ate, while I read this.
09:48 <@Shadow404> Catonic: hey, leave trudy alone, shes just stuck up
09:49 <@Catonic> Shadow404: are you serious? vancouver?
09:49 < cerkit> Theres a tax break in this thing for arrow makers.
09:49 < cerkit> As in bow & arrow makers.
09:49 <@Catonic> shite, I need to get my passport in order
09:49 <@Catonic> so I thought about something...
09:49 < cerkit> wtf.
09:49 <@Shadow404> Catonic: pm
09:49 <@Catonic> if you're on a cable modem, and you can see the mac address and ip addresses of your neighbors...
09:50 <@someninja[HC]> http://gizmodo.com/5057856/nes-bong-is-one-third-party-nintendo-accessory-you-wont-find-at-gamestop
09:50 <@Catonic> and they install a sandvine device....
09:50 < cerkit> You can see your neighbors network interface?
09:50 < cerkit> Thats abnormal.
09:51 <@Catonic> what happens if you spoof your neighbor's macs and IPs and generate P2P traffic on thier behalf?
09:51 <@Shadow404> thats awesome, can we say, external pron storage device
09:51 <@Shadow404> Catonic: heh, evil neighbors?
09:52 <@Catonic> I was thinking more like "I'll just randomly spray this traffic out in the hopes that it might kill a few sessions underway and give me more bandwidth with which to spam the sandvine.
09:52 <@Shadow404> heh, evil man
09:52 <@Shadow404> did you check pm
09:53 <@Catonic> no
09:53  * Shadow404 stabs Catonic with a cattle prod
09:53 <@Catonic> you can't stab someone with a cattle prod
09:54 <@Shadow404> yeah, you can
09:54 <@Shadow404> just sharpen the contact points
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09:56 <@nachoguy> mr0nin'
10:00 <@Catonic> There are 23 two-way radios in my apartment.
10:00 <@nachoguy> talk to yourself much?
10:00 <@Catonic> ten of which are 100W radios.
10:00 <@Shadow404> i can take that base station of your hands for a while
10:00 <@nachoguy> Cerkit.  You live!
10:00 <@nachoguy> how've you been?
10:01 <@Shadow404> speaking of, is it programmed yet?
10:01 <@Catonic> nachoguy: don't pull his chain
10:01 <@Catonic> Shadow404: no, I have to figure out which of the three it is
10:01 <@Catonic> I've got two that work in that pile and one dead one.
10:02 <@Shadow404> ok, cool
10:02 <@Catonic> the kinda nutso think about that list is that you sent me the repeaters you can hit..
10:02 <@Shadow404> would be aweome to try out the jpole on 100w
10:02 <@Catonic> it's a 55W-100W radio...
10:02 <@Shadow404> yeah, but it would be a good start
10:02 <@Catonic> you don't know what you can't do until you've tried it.
10:02 <@Shadow404> and i can program it fromt here
10:02 <@Shadow404> *there
10:03 <@Catonic> http://www.wd6awp.org/xcat/index.html <- I recommend you buy one of these
10:04 <@Shadow404> thats awesome
10:04 <@Shadow404> can you still program by hand the old fashioned way?
10:05 <@Catonic> the radio doesn't have a conventional interface
10:06 <@Catonic> it's a pushbutton operated control head, 4 banks of 8 switches
10:06 <@Shadow404> what model radio is it?
10:06 <@Shadow404> ok, but can you program in memory from the control head?
10:06 < cerkit> Catonic: Is it Comcast, by the way?
10:06 < cerkit> The network on which you can see your neighbor?
10:07 <@Catonic> http://metrocommnj.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/syntorsystem90.jpg.w300h227.jpg <- head like the box at the bottom
10:08 <@Catonic> http://www.mittenmountain.com/syntorx.jpg <- body like the box at the bottom
10:08 <@Catonic> 35 lbs of damn near bullet proof radio
10:08 <@Catonic> and when scotchick complains about the size of the thing, tell her to use it as a stairmaster.
10:08 <@Catonic> I have.
10:10 <@Catonic> http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/syntor/syntor-index.html <- more about the Xcat
10:11 <@Shadow404> oh, she always complains its to big
10:13 <@Catonic> "Well baby, I ain't no leprechaun."
10:15 <@Shadow404> she opened a maintnence window ticket for tonigh.
10:16 <@Shadow404> she opened a ticket with my noc and asked for it to be forwarded to me. My managers had a good laugh when they saw it in my que
10:17 <@Shadow404> i asked if that counts as overtime since ill be working from home
10:19 <@nachoguy> nice
10:21 <@Shadow404> management said no, damn
10:29 < ware> http://debeveiligingsupdate.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/unicorn.gif
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10:32 < jb7[D]> Good day.
10:36 < cerkit> The Fed's been working overtime lately.
10:36 < cerkit> Did you see the new $1 bill?
10:36 <@nachoguy> hey Jay Bee Seven Oh Dee
10:36 <@nachoguy> ?
10:36 < cerkit> http://i37.tinypic.com/345o506.jpg
10:36 < jb7[D]> hi
10:36 < jb7[D]> ya
10:37 < jb7[D]> tis I. from the sainted halls of Square D.
10:37 < jb7[D]> waiting for somebody's lotus notes to f0x0r up.
10:38 < jb7[D]> any moment now... it's actually really quiet in here today.
10:40 <@brimstone> BAM!
10:43 <@Catonic> I need a job. Who wants to hire me?
10:43 <@Catonic> nachoguy: stfu. I'm not moving north of Nashville.
10:44 <@brimstone> didn't you have a job?
10:44 < jb7[D]> onforce wants to hire you
10:44 <@Catonic> I still have a job. I need a new one.
10:44 < jb7[D]> oh
10:44 < jb7[D]> nm, that's not a good job then
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10:45 < jb7[D]> the jobs market will be messed up until ppl quit all this about economic paranoia.
10:46 <@nachoguy> hah, I like that, I don't even need to offer, Catonic just tells me off when he thinks I might have asked.  My job here is done.
10:46 < jb7[D]> it scares the american bossman
10:47 <@timoguin> Ugh.
10:47 <@timoguin> Why does bittorrent kill a connection so easily?
10:47 <@brimstone> cuz you're doing it wrong
10:47 < ware> bits n bytes
10:47 <@timoguin> I think I have one active torrent, and 5 or 6 seeding.
10:47 < jb7[D]> i was aobut to say- mine's aiite.
10:47 <@timoguin> On a 16Mb connection.
10:47 <@timoguin> and I can hardly SSH.
10:48 < ware> QoS, limit connections
10:48 < ware> limit bandwidthz
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10:48 <@timoguin> Well no shitto.
10:48 <@timoguin> I enabled QoS.
10:48 <@timoguin> Didn't enable any limits on the client side though.
10:49 <@timoguin> But there are less than 10 torrents open.
10:49 <@timoguin> I wouldn't think that would saturate it.
10:53 <@brimstone> it's number of connections and totall amount
10:53 <@brimstone> QoS only gets you so far too
10:53 <@brimstone> you can still fill up the queues for QoS and kill other things
10:54 < ware> limit total connections in the torrent client to 30 or something
10:54 <@brimstone> did that at work a few times
10:54 < ware> youve still got mad overhead for # of clients connecting, even if they arent downloading yet / getting a small chunk
10:57 < TheLightCosine> ugg
10:57 <@dasunt> I have a dell poweredge server with a quad nic in it that I want to use as a fileserver and as a virtual server.
10:57 <@dasunt> Xen?  Or VMware?
10:57 < TheLightCosine> i've been staring at MIIS for so lnog i think my eyes are going to bleed
10:58 < jb7[D]> okay somebody's notes f'd up...
10:58 < jb7[D]> lol
10:58 <@nachoguy> dasunt, for my money, Xen.  If you're not well versed and just want it up now, vmware is decent.
11:00 <@dasunt> Doing hardware virtualization.  Still recommending Xen?
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11:01 <@brimstone> yup
11:01 <@brimstone> xen only does virtualization, and no emulation
11:01 <@nachoguy> yep
11:01 <@brimstone> vmware will switch 'em up on you if you're not careful
11:02 <@dasunt> Okay.
11:02  * dasunt grabs the Etch XEN kernel.
11:03 <@nachoguy> Brim, are you still doing Iscsi stuff?
11:04 <@brimstone> ayep
11:07 <@nachoguy> are you dicking around with jumbo frames?
11:07 <@nachoguy> if so, what kind of network gear are you using?
11:08 <@brimstone> nachoguy: yeah, we got mtu 9000 on everything
11:08 <@brimstone> we can only push 122MB/s through the system though
11:08 <@brimstone> erm, 2 adtran netvanta 1524STs
11:10 <@nachoguy> hrm.  We've got HP chassis switches for layer 2, and some Cisco 3560s acting as routers to navigate between VLANs
11:11 <@brimstone> we're moving to dual cisco 6500s
11:11 <@brimstone> using the chassis switches for those
11:12 <@nachoguy> nice
11:17 <@Dolemite> We have more 6509's and 7600's than I care to shake a stick at.
11:18 <@nachoguy> ahh, well the places we have these deployed (several sites), we have HP Chassis switches (I forget the model number) for port density and a pair of 3560s to handle intervlan routing.  We've got a stack of 4500s in other places
11:19 <@nachoguy> the HPs drive my Network guy nuts (he's a Cisco guy to the core)
11:19 <@Dolemite> copper density is a bad, bad thing in an area where you have a lot of MACD's.
11:19 <@nachoguy> MACDs?
11:20 <@Dolemite> Moves, Adds, Changes, Deletes
11:20 <@Dolemite> high density copper is only good if you can install it all at once and never touch it again
11:21 <@nachoguy> yeah
11:21 <@nachoguy> For the most part, our datacenters will be fairly static.  At least they will be once they're done with the damn redesign.
11:21 <@Dolemite> It is the bane of my existence.  Network Engineers decided to buy a 6513 with roughly 600 copper ports in it.  I told them to go fuck themselves.  Finally we are moving to putting 3750G's dual homed in every rack with fiber back to the 6513...  where we are replacing the copper boards
11:22 <@nachoguy> yeah, for where you are, it makes sense.
11:22 <@Dolemite> Yeah, right.  Static data center.
11:22 <@Dolemite> Pardon me while I run outside and guffaw.
11:23 <@nachoguy> our floor switches are dense and a bit of a pain for cable mgmt, but they deal, I don't have anything with near 600 ports on it
11:24 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, once they're done fucking around, it will be fairly static for physical network ports.  It's a big bunch of Beefy servers that are xened out.  Need a new web cluster node, fire one up.
11:25 <@Dolemite> Yeah, well, I've been told by many people with a straight face that "once this goes in it won't change"...  and have yet to see that be true.
11:25 <@Dolemite> Plus you have to consider what happens when it's time to lifecycle that gear.
11:25 <@Dolemite> Not just the servers at the other end, but the network chassis itself.
11:26 <@nachoguy> oh yeah, nothing is ever final.  But at our current active DC, the only changes made in the past 6 months were bringing in 3 new DB servers and 1 extra san unit.
11:26 <@Dolemite> We're on a 3 year lifecycle here.
11:26 <@Dolemite> Ah.
11:26 <@Dolemite> I would love to be so lucky.
11:26 <@nachoguy> ah, we're on a "til we need something new, or something breaks"
11:26 <@nachoguy> you're on a much bigger scale than we are.
11:27 <@Dolemite> We're averaging more like 3 new servers, 5 relocation/reconfigurations a week and everything is redundantly connected.
11:28 <@Dolemite> On average I'd say that everything going in these days has 4 network connections and 2 fiber runs to the SAN.
11:29 <@nachoguy> Our sans are iscsi, so 6-8 copper ports for that.  our servers are either 2 net connections (regular stuff), or 4 (2 on regular network, 2 on SAN network)
11:29 < TheLightCosine> wow
11:31 <@Dolemite> yay for distccd
11:31 < ware> NO
11:31 <@Dolemite> make compiling svn of mythtv so much faster
11:32 <@nachoguy> heh
11:32 <@nachoguy> is mythtv that big?  or you just do it because you can?
11:33 <@Dolemite> it takes a while to compile if you only use one machine
11:33 <@Dolemite> it's got a shitload of features in it these days
11:33 <@Dolemite> has to be able to talk to analog cards, digital cards, iptv, firewire
11:33 <@Dolemite> do scheduling, transcoding, commercial detection
11:34 <@nachoguy> I need to see if I can get myth to interface with uverse.  Otherwise I think I might just set a myth box up for DVD playback (rip my collection, so I don't have to get my lazy ass off the couch to pick a movie).
11:34 <@Dolemite> you have uverse?
11:34 <@Dolemite> I'm still waiting on that option here.  They are supposed to roll it out this year.
11:35 <@nachoguy> yeah, love it.
11:35 <@Dolemite> Right now I don't think you can get the uverse feed directly.  You have to go through a capture device.
11:35 <@Dolemite> anywho, lunch times!
11:36 <@nachoguy> later
11:41 <@Shadow404> timoguin: status request please?
11:46 <@timoguin> Shadow404: DNS?
11:46 <@Shadow404> aye
11:47 <@timoguin> Haven't done anything with ti.
11:47 <@timoguin> *it
11:47 <@timoguin> Busy at school.
11:47 <@Shadow404> ah
11:50 < jb7[D]> shadow404
11:50 < jb7[D]> : hi
11:51 <@Shadow404> ello?
11:52 < jb7[D]> oh just saying what's up man
11:52 <@Shadow404> oh
11:52 <@Shadow404> nashville.com??
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12:03 <@Neoteric> I just watched a hak5 video
12:03 <@Neoteric> anyone setup unbound or powerdns?
12:08 <@rhia> http://notalwaysright.com/problem-is-too-stupid-to-recognize-it-exists/1256
12:09 <@Catonic> sounds like the story of my life
12:10  * Shadow404 hits Catonic with an anti-self pity bat
12:30 <@Drag0n> they probably wouldnt recognise an id-ten-t error either
12:37 <@Neoteric> Hak5Darren: do you get beer sponsorship on you vids?
12:39 <@critch> rhia: is this one for Corydon76-dig? http://notalwaysright.com/of-all-the-moments-for-freud-to-slip/164
12:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Nice...
13:06 <@critch> anyone have suggestions on a good GigE managed switch 16 or 24 ports copper.
13:06 <@Dolemite> Cisco 3750G
13:11 <@critch> Nice specs, but very pricey, $3k on the lowest google turned up.
13:11 <@brimstone> i need to figure out how to get my media keys to work over synergy
13:12 < ware> Some non-standard keys may not work, especially "multimedia" buttons, though several are correctly handled.
13:13 < ware> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/tips.html
13:15 <@coil_> way to kill his hopes and dreams ware
13:15 <@critch> but way to go on quick accurate information
13:15 < ware> apparently im good at that.  and being a malicious deviant~
13:15 <@Dolemite> step away from the chair
13:16 < ware> the chair was a lie too
13:16 <@Dolemite> there is no chair
13:16  * ware nods
13:23 <@Dolemite> Cool.  The Declaration of Independence is on display at the Nashville Public Library this weekend.
13:24 < ware> ima be fishin / kayakin / camping from friday - tuesday :D
13:30 <@Shadow404> n
13:30 <@Shadow404> gah, is the only good carrier in existance xo?
13:32 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: which copy?
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13:34 <@Dolemite> whichever one is currently touring the US
13:36 < M0j0-j0j0> reboot time... bbiaf
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13:46  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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13:50  * shadowmoss hugs aestetix 
13:57 <@aestetix> www.thingspalincanname.com
13:59 <@rhia> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-neffinger/the-nightmare-vp-debate-s_b_131113.html
14:00 <@rhia> and  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-lux/my-prediction-palin-stops_b_131160.html
14:02 <@Dolemite> ~minilink
14:02 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/huffingtonpost.com/Dr8Ut.html
14:03 <@Dolemite> I think Joe Biden should show up dressed as the Wicked Witch of the West and see if her Ethiopian Blessing to "Protext from all forms of witchcraft" worked.
14:03 <@Drag0n> anyone remember or know what the microsoft license kit was called that they were charging $300 for 1 kit with 1 server licens, 10 desktop OS and office license and a few other apps included?
14:04 <@Dolemite> Small Business Server, wasn't it?
14:05 <@Neoteric> > Tonight I'm going to club @FakeJoeBiden like a baby seal.
14:05 <@Drag0n> not sure, that is just the server, there was a 3 year license kit they used to sell
14:05 <@Neoteric> http://twitter.com/fakesarahpalin
14:05 <@nachoguy> Shadow404, I'm fond of Qwest.
14:06 <@nachoguy> critch, HP has some 24 port procurves that are fairly inexpensive.
14:06 <@rhia> the GOP has been a major part in setting Palin up as idiotic - so if she comes thru the debate all folksy and "regular gal" without swallowing her feet .... "see, she's capable!"
14:07 <@Dolemite> Anybody found a good drinking game ruleset for tonight?
14:07 <@Dolemite> I figure you have to finish your drink anytime Palin references a moose.
14:07 <@Drag0n> ahh, action pack
14:07 <@rhia> Dolemite: this could maybe be adapted: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/vp-debate-bingo-with-all_n_131163.html
14:07 <@rhia> ~minilink
14:07 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/huffingtonpost.com/bmjrt.html
14:08 <@tzanger> ~minilink
14:08 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/huffingtonpost.com/bmjrt.html
14:08 <@tzanger> ahh it's smarter than it looks
14:08 <@Drag0n> nope, thats for partners
14:08 <@oddball> "fun" problem of the day: phones decided to say "fuck you" to all outside calls, and no one could access their voicemail.
14:09 <@oddball> turned out the voicemail software randomly locked up and took the server with it.
14:09 <@nachoguy> oddball, what kind of phonesystem are you running?
14:09 <@oddball> IP Office on Avaya equipment
14:10 <@oddball> usually, it works pretty well.
14:13 <@rhia> Neoteric: the twitter:  " The reason why nobody has any gas in ATLANTA is cuz Pootin INVATED GEORGIA WHERE ATLANTA IS. How come nobody but me put that together? pshh"  <G>
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14:18 <@Neoteric> rhia: you like that eh? :) hehehe
14:21 <@rhia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olpCyDA4kYA  yes, SFW
14:26 <@aestetix> oh man
14:26 <@aestetix> "Honky Moms for Obama"
14:27 <@aestetix> My Palin shirt arrived, just in time for the debate!
14:35 < M0j0-j0j0> rhia: I don't have 5 friends
14:37 <@rhia> then send it to 5 strangers
14:37 <@rhia> <g>
14:37 <@timoguin> rhia: Is that the "Don't vote" video?
14:38 <@rhia> timoguin: yeah
14:39 <@timoguin> Yea, saw that yesterday.  Benicio del Toro looks like he's drunk and about to die.
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14:41 <@Neoteric> aestetix: gimmie url
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14:43 <@Neoteric> "I've never done shit on drugs, except play halo2."
14:44 <@Neoteric> 2 days left for most people to register to vote.
14:45 <@dc0de> and if we've already voted?
14:45 <@dc0de> then what?
14:46 <@Dolemite> Vote often!  It's the American Way!
14:46 <@dc0de> hrm...
14:46  * dc0de wonders how many absentee ballots he can get.
14:49 <@timoguin> Can I put a compile into the background and logout of ssh and have it continue to run?
14:49 <@timoguin> I forgot to use screen, and now I need to leave.
14:50 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: nope
14:50 <@timoguin> Fuck balls.
14:50 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: but if it's using Make, you can interrupt it to run screen
14:51 <@timoguin> Yea, it is.
14:51 <@timoguin> I figured it'd be quick compile, so I didn't open screen.
14:51 <@timoguin> Sucks because I don't know how close it is to being finished.
14:52 <@timoguin> If it has one or two minutes left I don't want to stop it, but I don't want to wait 10 minutes either.
15:08 <@aestetix> I think my neighbors are smoking pot again
15:08 <@aestetix> I'm getting high.
15:08 <@coil_> yay
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15:16 <@aestetix> Neoteric: tshirthell.com
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15:21 < M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: nohup
15:37 <@dc0de> hup
15:37 <@coil_> sighup
15:40 <@Evilpig> SkyDog_: chuck veto'd the idea
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15:52 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: In whole, or just the picture?
15:54 <@Evilpig> just the picture
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15:55 < Genphlux> What's up Skydog?  Long time no see...
15:55 <@Evilpig> he's under the impression we'd be laughing at him.  I told him we'd be laughing at the idea not him.  so I need to come up with an alternate model.  it might be me by the time the night is over
16:06 <@Evilpig> I wonder if I can photoshop tricky dick into that pose
16:06 <@Evilpig> http://lord-jim.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/nixon.GIF  <--
16:07 <@coil_> c
16:20 <@nachoguy> what was the original attempt?
16:25 <@aestetix> mmm tequilla
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16:40 <@Neoteric> anyone fuck w/ amazon ec2 thingies?
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17:06 <@Evilpig> Neoteric: like the book images and stuff?
17:06 <@Evilpig> nm I just looked that up.  no
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17:27 <@Neoteric> I swear iproute2 is teh magic.
17:27 <@Drag0n> it can be
17:29 <@brimstone> f'n ubuntu
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17:30 <@Drag0n> use gentoo
17:30 <@aestetix> use windows
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17:31 <@Drag0n> use a chainsaw
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17:33 <@coil> ubuntu is about to piss me off
17:33 <@coil> i think this comp needs a reformat
17:37 < eryc> http://gizmodo.com/5058129/gamer-grub-because-food-takes-too-long-to-chew
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17:55 <@Evilpig> if I set a drive as jbod on a raid controller it shouldn't erase the partition table on that should it?
17:55 <@Drag0n> yes it will
17:55 <@Drag0n> sorry, depnds on th system
17:55 <@Evilpig> damnit.  that is annoying
17:56 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't say "erase" but "make useless" would be a pretty good description
17:56 <@Evilpig> promise 4300sx wipes it.  I just wanted it to mount the disk
17:56 <@Drag0n> if you make it a single jbod volume it might
17:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah, it needs to make the thing into a jbod member, so it's gotta put it's markers on that disk
17:56 <@aestetix> FUCK ALL OF YOU
17:56 <@aestetix> I AM NOT TECH SUPPORT
17:56 <@aestetix> I am sick of getting those calls from friends
17:56 <@Dagmar> It probably isn
17:57 <@Evilpig> the bad part is I just had it booted up earlier.  made it a jbod disk.  made a 4GB partition.  reimaged my server.  then reinstalled the drivers and had to recreate that disk as jbod and it wiped it
17:57 <@Dagmar> It probably isn't entirely *necessary* for it to do that, but I've never seen a raid controller that didn't put data on the disks about which part of the volume it was
17:58 <@Evilpig> I mean isn't the purpose of jbod just to be a dumb stack of disks?  and not in the raid?
17:58 <@Evilpig> or am I wrong there?
17:59 <@Dagmar> It's expecting it's spanning them
18:00 <@Evilpig> stupid controller.  if I had a sata controller laying around i would have used that.  but I had this so I used it
18:00 <@Dagmar> You don't tell it JBOD if you just want to access the drives individually
18:01 <@Evilpig> couldn't get access to it any other way
18:01 <@Evilpig> would haev had to made it a raid 0 maybe.
18:02 < eryc> you can turn a jbod into raid1 without any data loss
18:02 <@Evilpig> raid1 has to have two drives.  this is a single
18:02 < eryc> at least i was able to with a dell perc
18:13 <@rhia> FakeSarahPalin twitter: " I cAN'T FIND THE GREEN ROOM! All the rooms here are beige or eggshell. Ugh"
18:13 <@rhia> hehe
18:21 <@Drag0n> and she will spend hours looking for the corner in the oval office
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18:22 <@Drag0n> wonder if the reason McCain chose her is he was looking for a lapdog in the whitehouse
18:23 <@Dagmar> Probably because they've got something on her
18:23 <@Drag0n> or she has something on him
18:23 <@Dagmar> The debate tonight should be hilarious
18:24 <@rhia> she's got JEEZUSS! and the campaign desperately needed the core fundies back, they were leaving before they bagged her
18:26 <+MaxieZ> Ohh...0day in wordpress
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18:41 <@rhia> Boom de ah da, boom de ah da, boom de ah da, boom de ah da ........
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19:12 < jb7od> urp.
19:12 < jb7od> Good Evening #se2600
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19:24 < Someninjaiphone> Evening all
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20:09 <@Dagmar> It's amazing.
20:10 <@Dagmar> She's saying all these words, which have pretty much no significance
20:11 < jb7od> i'm reviewing my 42 page Chapter 13 petition and could give a rip what blather she's vomiting. i hear it upstairs though.
20:13 < jb7od> i made my mind up who to vote for. if THIS one doesn't work- if there's some kind of tomfoolery at the polls, computer problem, recount, f0x0r3d electoral hokey pokey, i will be CONVINCED that it's all a sham.
20:13 < jb7od> because to get my weird ass out, that means alot.
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20:33 < AstralSin> sweet, i just installed rockbox on my new mp3 player
20:34 <@I-MOD> which one?
20:34 <@I-MOD> i have it on my ipod video
20:35 < AstralSin> sansa e200
20:35 < AstralSin> its pretty sweet
20:35 <@I-MOD> i like the fact that i can play gobs of formats
20:36 < jb7od> HERE WE GO!
20:36 < jb7od> same sex rights!
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20:37 < AstralSin> yeah, thats nice... though i don't have many different formats :)
20:37 < AstralSin> mostly mp3, i think i have some ogg and wma lingering around
20:37 <@I-MOD> i have flac
20:38 <@I-MOD> and i'm too lazy to confvert
20:38 < AstralSin> this player doesn't have enough space to use flac, only 2gb
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20:43 < geoffscoffee> evenin
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20:59 <@SkyDog_> Fuck. It's Nu-Clear!!!! say it correctly you cunt!
21:00 < cwire> must be a republican thing :)
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21:08 <@SkyDog_> Must be...
21:09 <@dc0de> w--f
21:09 <@dc0de> Joe Biden is full of shit... and I'm surprised that Palin is actually prepared.
21:11 <@dc0de> are any of those people in his Home Depot actual american citizens?
21:11 <@dc0de> or all of them illegals?
21:12 < cwire> haha
21:12 < cwire> she winks too much
21:14 < geoffscoffee> hehe
21:15 < geoffscoffee> you hear illegal immigrant population is down 11% since last july
21:15 < geoffscoffee> seems the meal ticket has run dry
21:17 <@Dagmar> WHAT a shame
21:18 < geoffscoffee> darn!
21:19 < geoffscoffee> the biggest problem with illegal southern immigrants isn't the language or the jobs they take.  IT's that they are here for the money, not to become citizens
21:19 < geoffscoffee> not that I want o swing a hammer
21:23 < cwire> wow, i'm about tired of hearing the word maverick
21:24 < geoffscoffee> BIden is a good talker
21:24 < geoffscoffee> it's obvious he's done this for a long time
21:31 < geoffscoffee> this is NOT The most important election ever!
21:31 <@dc0de> biden is just a talking head... and I agree, it's NOT the most important election ever.
21:31 <@dc0de> he's full of shit.
21:32 <@dc0de> and who's taxes are going to pay for all of this "best healthcare" and "best education"? The Middle Class.
21:32 <@dc0de> the middle class always get's fucked.
21:32 <@dc0de> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzZzsvOClc
21:33 <@Dagmar> Of course
21:33 <@Dagmar> Rich people can afford lobbyists
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21:35 < geoffscoffee> Rich people spend more $$ than poor ppl.  I want them to spend it with me, not send it to DC
21:36 < geoffscoffee> i'm dissapointed that Biden didn't stick his foot in his mouth
21:38 < jb7od> all the old guys are confused because they want to stick it.
21:41 < geoffscoffee> heh...old guys
21:42 < geoffscoffee> night
21:42 < jb7od> haha
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21:42 < jb7od> was that an old guy or a confused one?
21:45 < eryc> biden is cool
21:45 < jb7od> i'm old, but not confused.
21:49 <@rhia> eh, he did a good job of pointing out the excess expenditures of the BushCo backed by McCain 90% administration
21:50 <@rhia> her line of wanting to expand even further on the power of the VP office chilled me... Like Cheney hasn't stomped the Constitutional limits on the office enough
21:51 <@rhia> she's engaging, but the moderator should have stopped her mid sentence when she said she wouldn't answer the questions the moderator asked but would instead speak to the american public ... this was a DEBATE, not a stump speech
21:51 <@rhia> moderator should have slammed her down instantly... sigh
21:53 <@rhia> and i'm sick of hearing the "dems will raise taxes' when it's been shown, repeatedly, ad nauseum, that Obama's tax plan and health insurance plan are MUCH more beneficial to the middle class than McCain's
21:53 < ware> HELL YEAH
21:53 < ware> GO PALIN!
21:54 < ware> rhia: palin really showed biden eh?
21:54 < eryc> naylin palin
21:55 <@rhia> ware: palin had her talking points down, as far as showing biden?  that would have taken a real debate to decide, not a series of prewritten, exam-crammed memorized sound bites
21:56 <@rhia> esp since so many of them are the same old bs ... tho, some of the new ones were ... interesting ...
21:56 <@dc0de> yeah, just like biden's studied routines...
21:57 <@dc0de> and old diatribe...
21:57 <@rhia> lessee, build an embassy in Jerusalem?  yeah, That will promote peace in the middle east
21:57 <@dc0de> come on rhia, it's an ass-fucking no matter who we get...
21:57 < jb7od> "there ya go, joe" the prowler needs a jump..
21:57 <@dc0de> family guy is more interesting than the debate.
21:57 < eryc> actually they are both against ass fucking
21:57 <@rhia> expand the powers of the VP even more than Cheney?  shudder
21:57 <@dc0de> eryc: damn... just when I was getting used to it... (back off Corydon76-dig)
22:00 < eryc> did that require a lot of lube for you to get used to?
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22:00 <@rhia> the surge worked?  .... because under it many neighborhood were locally ethnically cleansed of competing islamic viewpoints.... if you ignore a whole neighborhood of jets being 'encouraged' to relocate in the middle of the night, yeah, the sharks seem less belligerent
22:03 < eryc> iraq has a football team?
22:03 < eryc> thats awesome
22:03 <@rhia> why not? the saudi's have an ice hockey team
22:04 <@Drag0n> and the U.A.E has a ski team
22:06 <@Stefanie_TN> I thought Gwen Ifill did a good job... about the same as Jim Lehrer.
22:08 < eryc> the better end of horrible?
22:09 < eryc> its coming to nashvegas soon!
22:09 < jb7od> w00t
22:11 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: would have liked her to make Palin come back to the questions more than letting her run with her prescripted talking points ... at least Lehrer Tried to get McCain and Obama back in line
22:11 <@Stefanie_TN> rhia, do you think Ifill avoided doing so because of her book?
22:12 < eryc> what book?
22:17 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: not really, think it was more the same reason the response time was cut from 9 minutes to 5 for each question
22:17 <@rhia> eryc: Ifill wrote a book on the changing of politics focused on Obama, released 2 weeks before the campaigns ok'd her as a moderator
22:18 <@Stefanie_TN> The Breakthrough: Politics in the Age of Obama
22:18 < cwire> biased much?
22:18 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: danke, couldn't pull the title out of memory ;)
22:19 <@rhia> cwire: didn't see where, if she was biased, it showed in her moderation
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22:20 <@Stefanie_TN> I didn't see any bias, either.
22:20 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: but, that could have been a small part, just don't think it was the major reason ... think the big boys upstairs that shortened the times and changed the groundrules of the debate had more to do with it
22:21 <@Stefanie_TN> Probably so.
22:21 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: yeah, she put Biden on the spot with some specific questions, too
22:22 <@Stefanie_TN> Obama and McCain were probably both chanting to themselves: "Don't screw Up! Don't screw up! Don't screw up!"
22:22 <@rhia> heh
22:22 < cwire> haha
22:22 <@rhia> yeah, Biden has a habit of chewing his ankles ;)
22:24 <@rhia> here's a thought ... Palin was left out to dry with the MSM interviews in order to focus on the talking points of this VP showcase (was NOT a debate) ... the worse she twisted, the better she looked tonight ....
22:24 <@rhia> just don't think they were prepared for how BADLY she twisted in the interviews <G>
22:25 < cwire> she did do much better than i expected
22:26 <@Stefanie_TN> Unless Biden and Palin were the Presidential candidates, I don't think we'd ever get a real debate out of those two. It's just not set up that way for VPs.
22:26 <@rhia> still didn't come away feeling like she is VP material, too much mention of being a regular gal, worried about stuff regular people worry about, when worth 1.2 million and getting government healthcare and benefits
22:26 < cwire> i agree
22:26 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: yeah, but then don't call it a debate, call it a meet and greet or some such
22:26 <@Drag0n> especialy how flusterewd she looked at the end, repeating thank you over and over like "omg, its finaly over"
22:27 <@Stefanie_TN> Meet & Greet - lol
22:27 <@rhia> i'm not gonna answer the questions the way the moderator or biden might want, instead i'ma talk to the american people .... that's "telling her story" not debating
22:27 <@Drag0n> it was more, traiding comercial announcements
22:29 <@Stefanie_TN> They both went off topic at will.
22:29 <@Drag0n> well, it IS politics
22:29 < cwire> that's to be expected in these things though, really
22:30 <@rhia> yeah, but, in his defense, Biden many times was basically compelled to reply to Palin's going off topic and making quite obvious 'misstatements'
22:30 <@rhia> tho, Joe is apt to follow rabbit trails at whim
22:31 <@Drag0n> nailing down a politician to a point is like trying to grab a handful of hagfish
22:31 <@Stefanie_TN> So, Biden was 100% accurate, all night?
22:31 <@rhia> nah
22:31 <@rhia> just appeared as i watched that he went off topic more in response than in forging the trail
22:32 <@rhia> tho the pundits may have more accurate numerical assessments later
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22:32 <@Stefanie_TN> I thought they both did what their parties needed them to do, but I doubt that either one changed any minds tonight.
22:32 <@rhia> Stefanie_TN: agreed
22:32 <@rhia> and the realtime polls seem to back that up
22:33 <@rhia> tho tomorrow and the next few days may see a huge upsurge of GOP "see, told you she was ready" wagon circling
22:34 <@rhia> just because she didn't pull a deer in the headlights incoherent stuttering
22:35 < cwire> that's an accomplishment at this point
22:35 <@rhia> overall, tho, it did seem Biden had more hard facts at his command .... then again, he's been doing this a long, long time now (and he was there for many of the facts that she had to have crammed on the last 3 weeks)
22:35 <@dc0de> it just means it's going to be a close race after all.
22:36 <@Stefanie_TN> I hope so. I hate boring election nights.
22:36 <@dc0de> oh, so when biden says something because he's old it's "wisdom from being there" but when it's from mccain, it's ancient history...
22:36 <@dc0de> nice.
22:37 <@rhia> dc0de: here's what i don't get ... 2 million (according to the GOP/RNC/McCain/Palin emails i get thanks to my cousin) registered Reps, 11 million registered Dems .... how come the Dems can't break a big lead in the last 8+ years?
22:37 <@rhia> dc0de: ??
22:37 <@dc0de> must be a conspiracy... that's it...
22:38 <@Stefanie_TN> lol
22:38 < eryc> ya the mccain sucks conspiracy
22:38 <@dc0de> not all "republicans" are "registered".
22:38 < eryc> dont forget the palin is worse mystery
22:38 <@rhia> no, when Biden can pull information on how McCain voted on an act or a bill because he was there is NOT the same as McCain pulling up history from WWII
22:38 <@dc0de> I don't register with a party, but I'm definately not voting for oblama
22:38 <@rhia> dc0de: and neither are all dems
22:39 <@dc0de> and his terrorist loving bullshit.
22:40 < eryc> ya all those terrorists in iraq..
22:40 <@rhia> dc0de: at that note "terrorist loving bullshit" - this conversation ends .... THAT is unhelpful, untrue BS - and you know it
22:40 <@rhia> g'nite
22:40 < eryc> gee wally im glad we got them!
22:40 <@dc0de> actually, it's not.
22:40 <@dc0de> but hey, you think his shit doesn't stink, and I realize they're both shit spewing politicians.
22:40 < eryc> 7 years of pumping oil in iraq vs 3 weeks of looking for osama
22:40 <@Drag0n> actually, it is, now STFU and get real info
22:41 <@dc0de> out to fuck the american public.
22:41 <@dc0de> wow, you people actually LOVE this guy...
22:41 <@Drag0n> it stinks less than bushco and Mcain,
22:41  * dc0de rolls his eyes.
22:41 <@dc0de> who is bushco?
22:41 <@Drag0n> Bush and Co
22:41 <@dc0de> Barrack Osama Obama?
22:41 <@dc0de> please,
22:42 <@rhia> didn't say i luv Obama, just dislike him a lot less than i dislike McCain .... and
22:42 < eryc> im sure you're very comfortable in your ignorance
22:42 <@dc0de> sorry, I look at it the other way,
22:42 <@someninjamaster> i think we are truly seeing why a 2 party system sucks
22:42 <@dc0de> I like McCain far more than I like Obama, at least I know where my tax money is going...
22:42 <@rhia> Osama Obama? what midn control pills have you been swallowing? give me some hard FACTS on that, not some O'Reilly spin
22:42 <@dc0de> and that I won't have to face rediculous tax increases, as we will with Obama/Biden
22:42 <@Stefanie_TN> Ninja, I've been saying that for years.
22:43 <@someninjamaster> i cant vote for obama based on his gun control votes
22:43 <@Drag0n> decode, to the top .1 %?
22:43 <@dc0de> someninjamaster: absolutely,
22:43 < eryc> ya i knew it was about guns
22:43 <@rhia> dc0de: what is Obama's tax plan?  what is McCain's?
22:44 <@dc0de> rhia: obama's "plan" is "change", 'we're going to change everything, and we don't know what we're going to do, but we're going to "change" it'.
22:44 < eryc> mccain is on the change bandwagon too hoser
22:44 < DigitalIrony> I am just going to write someone else...they both suck
22:44 <@dc0de> that's not a "plan", that's "HOPE"... and "Hope is not a strategy".
22:44 <@Drag0n> and mcain is more of the ecomemy fucking plan
22:44 <@rhia> look them up, then get back to me with facts that show Obama is going to increase taxes on the majority of the population as well as give me the facts showing that Obama is a terrorist lover ... go on... there's still time before the election
22:44 <@dc0de> eryc: only to combat the diatribe from obama
22:44 <@dc0de> rhia: I don't have to, I'm not voting for him...
22:45 <@someninjamaster> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f09_1213391784
22:45 <@rhia> in the meantime, no need to listen to right wing emotional, unfactual bs spin ...
22:45 <@rhia> g'note everyone
22:45 < eryc> they're takiin mah guns!!!
22:45 < eryc> nooooz!
22:45 <@dc0de> sure, rhia, and your left wing emotional spin is ok...
22:45 < eryc> we try to be factual
22:46 <@dc0de> I'm not a "right wing" person... I"m a libertarian... and we don't have a chance
22:46 <@Stefanie_TN> I'm libertarian too, but I'm not happy about Bob Barr.
22:46 <@rhia> LOLOL, i'm nowhere near leftwing, and anyone that's paid attention to my politics in this channel, or #world-relations can attest to that
22:46 <@dc0de> And McCain is closer to the Libertarian views, while Obama is more toward the Facist view.
22:47  * rhia waves to channel
22:47 < eryc> you mean fascist..
22:47 <@dc0de> and I HAVE done my research on that.
22:47  * I-MOD waves to rhia 
22:47 <@Stefanie_TN> Bye rhia. :)
22:47 <@Dagmar> Too much scotch error
22:47 < eryc> well learn to spell then
22:47 <@dc0de> eryc: yes, you're right... thanks for being my spell checker.
22:47 <@someninjamaster> Stefanie_TN: you got your 500 yet
22:47 < eryc> thats my only joy left in life
22:47 <@Drag0n> try to research outside the country and outside the mcain website
22:47 <@dc0de> Stefanie_TN: you're getting a 500?
22:48 <@someninjamaster> dc0de: i got a 1954 russian sks sunday
22:48 <@dc0de> Drag0n: first, I don't CARE about the rest of the world... they're not my problem
22:48 <@Stefanie_TN> dc0de: been mulling it over... Ninja: thoughts of an AR-10 keep getting in my way.
22:48 <@someninjamaster> haha
22:48 <@dc0de> Drag0n: and 2, I don't even know what mccain's website url is.. I've never visited it.
22:48 < eryc> i think he has isuckballs.com
22:48 <@Drag0n> dec0de, get you head out of your ass, where do you get your gas from?
22:48 <@someninjamaster> i saw a ar lower with a .50 upper for 2 grand
22:49 <@Stefanie_TN> Also, I need a new TV for the living room... anime gobbles up my budget, too.
22:49 <@someninjamaster> the only thing stopping me from getting one of those is the fact i dont know where i can find a range to shoot it at
22:49 <@dc0de> Stefanie_TN: I'm wanting a marlin 45/70, since my buddie got one, and he's vaporizing rocks at 175 yards with 450grain lead rounds....
22:49 < eryc> crack rocks?
22:49 <@Stefanie_TN> 45/70 = old school fun!
22:49 <@dc0de> 3200ft/lbs of energy on target.
22:50 < eryc> you guys may have vaporized too many rocks im afraid
22:50 <@dc0de> Stefanie_TN: yeah, 40grain powder loads with a 350 or 450 grain lead heads...
22:50 <@Stefanie_TN> Yeah, I need to win powerballl... not to get a .50, but to buy the land to shoot on.
22:50 <@someninjamaster> i still have a desert eagle on my israeli gun list
22:50 <@dc0de> Stefanie_TN: hehe... let me know when you win...
22:50 <@someninjamaster> this sks almost has my russian list complete
22:50 <@Stefanie_TN> My Desert Eagle is American-made. :)
22:51 <@someninjamaster> is it
22:51 <@someninjamaster> hmm
22:51 <@someninjamaster> debates how to classify it on his list
22:51 <@dc0de> I'm looking for a .308 semi-auto rifle, long barrel... and I don't know which to buy...
22:51 <@someninjamaster> its american made but israeli design
22:51 <@someninjamaster> just curious why you want semi auto
22:52 <@Stefanie_TN> My "Russian list" (and who doesn't have one?) includes an original AK-47, and I'm done.
22:52 < cwire> i've been wanting a mossberg 500, just in case the zombies invade
22:52 <@Stefanie_TN> God, I HATE zombies!!!
22:52 <@someninjamaster> im lacking a mosin nagant sniper
22:52 <@someninjamaster> and an ak
22:53  * eryc notices an abundance of zombies and decides to leave
22:53 < cwire> I know Stefanie!  They're a bitch to get rid of
22:53 <@dc0de> watching Jay Leno, "Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!"
22:53 <@Stefanie_TN> Vampires, I can handle... zombies, ya just havta kill 'em.
22:53 <@dc0de> head shots, head shots, head shots!
22:53 < cwire> haha
22:54 <@someninjamaster> my supernova tactical is my zombie gun
22:54 <@someninjamaster> dc0de: have you looked at the m1a's
22:54 <@dc0de> someninjamaster: not yet...
22:54 < eryc> i hope your kids shoot themselves on accident
22:54 <@Stefanie_TN> Speaking of zombies... RE5 = March 2009.
22:54 < cwire> and of course i want to look cool when slaying zombies, so i want the pistol grip
22:55 < cwire> i can't wait for RE5
22:55  * someninjamaster refrains from his pistol grip shotgun speech
22:55 <@dc0de> mmm, pistol grip shotgun...
22:55 <@Stefanie_TN> I still need to run out and get Silent Hill: Homecoming, which just came out.
22:56 <@someninjamaster> pistol grip shotguns are fine for door breaching
22:56 <@dc0de> and home defense
22:56 <@Stefanie_TN> My Winchester 1300 Defender has the pistol grip and the standard stock.
22:56 <@someninjamaster> worthless for most other applications
22:56 <@dc0de> http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=28
22:56 <@someninjamaster> dc0de: im willing to debate it on home defence
22:57 <@dc0de> someninjamaster: compared to my Kimber .45, my wife can handle the 12ga, but not so much with the Kimber .45
22:57 <@Stefanie_TN> I normally prefer the full stock.
22:57 <@someninjamaster> most tactical shotgun instructors wont let you into their class with a pistol grip
22:57 <@dc0de> and I'm not getting anything smaller than a .45cal for home.
22:57 <@someninjamaster> unless its like an ar style one
22:57 < cwire> if i get assistantship money next semester i'm seriously thinking about getting one
22:57 <@someninjamaster> cwire: a 500
22:58 <@someninjamaster> mossy
22:58 < cwire> mmhmm
22:58 <@dc0de> well, I'm going to actually purchase a mossberg 500, and put the full folding stock accessory on it
22:58 <@someninjamaster> where do you live
22:58 < cwire> marietta
22:58 <@someninjamaster> you coming to phreaknic
22:58 < cwire> fo sho
22:58 <@Stefanie_TN> The Benellis have the full stock with the pistol grip... but now the factory tube magazines are punk-ass.
22:59 <@someninjamaster> Stefanie_TN: thats what i have
22:59 <@someninjamaster> with a full mag extension
22:59 <@Stefanie_TN> Old or new?
22:59 <@Stefanie_TN> :)
22:59 <@Stefanie_TN> M1 or M2?
22:59 <@someninjamaster> http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/large/sNovaPGTacticalSynthetic12Ga.jpg
23:00 <@someninjamaster> can someone from georgia buy a gun in tn
23:00 < mubix> PN12 getting here quic
23:00 < mubix> quick
23:00 <@dc0de> someninjamaster: depends, private sale? or from a dealer?
23:00 <@someninjamaster> dealer
23:00 <@Stefanie_TN> I miss the old M1s. They look better than the 2s and 4s, to me.
23:01 <@dc0de> someninjamaster: I think so, but it's under TN law...
23:01 <@someninjamaster> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=111951195
23:01 <@dc0de> so whatever waiting period, or rules of background checks has to be followed by the purchaser.
23:02 <@someninjamaster> tn its insta check
23:02 <@dc0de> that's nice...
23:02 <@dc0de> is that your's?
23:02 <@dc0de> err, yours?
23:03 <@someninjamaster> the benelli one is
23:03 <@dc0de> I like the Mossberg...
23:04 <@someninjamaster> yeah
23:04 < cwire> man, i wish i had the money now
23:04 <@dc0de> I also wish I still had my old winchester model 1200 pump... I should have never sold it.
23:04 <@someninjamaster> this guy is right down the street from me
23:04 <@Stefanie_TN> I've heard good things about the Mossbergs, but I don't care for them. I always preferred the Winchesters and Remingtons.
23:04 <@someninjamaster> and sales all his stuff at like 10% markup
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23:04 <@someninjamaster> dc0de: that listing i posted is who i bought my mp5 clone from
23:05 <@dc0de> nice... well, the boss has spoken, I have to go to bed.
23:05 < cwire> night dc0de
23:05 <@dc0de> night all.
23:06  * dc0de is away: off to bed.
23:10 <@Stefanie_TN> I think I'll go watch a Cagney movie until I fall asleep. Goodnight. :)
23:10 < cwire> night
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