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07:20 < TheLightcosine> morning all
07:24 <@sdodson> hi
07:51 <@brimstone> sup TheLightcosine, sdodson
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07:58 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:03 < TheLightcosine> morning dole
08:04 <@Dolemite> howdy
08:04 < TheLightcosine> my first week as acting Team Lead for our service desk, and yesterday one of our main SANs went down lol
08:04 <@Dolemite> still having fun with .NOT?
08:04 < TheLightcosine> heh, not atm, got the one project finished trying a different tactic with the Communicator thing
08:04 < TheLightcosine> and got sidetracked with some ADSI work
08:07 < TheLightcosine> We've got a major AD integration happening tommorow, so they've bene having me do these custom report scripts to get everything ready
08:07 < TheLightcosine> it's ncie fun side work between calls/emails
08:09 < ware> mernin
08:10 < TheLightcosine> ware!
08:10 < TheLightcosine> you art back
08:10 < ware> that i am
08:11 < dasunt> I think I should go to college.
08:11 < dasunt> And get an IT degree.
08:12 < ware> http://freeworld.thc.org/thc-epassport/
08:12 < dasunt> Then I can work 9-5, kludge together $grand_unified_network_offering from $some_vendor, and call someone who makes less and works harder when there is a problem.
08:12 < ware> http://blog.thc.org/index.php?/archives/4-The-Risk-of-ePassports-and-RFID.html
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08:20 <@I-MOD> dasunt, exactly, what do you think degrees are for?
08:21 < dasunt> I-MOD: In theory?  Or from what I what I see in practice?
08:22 < dasunt> Because, in practice, a degree seems to be for getting hired.
08:22 <@brimstone> in practice, we all know they're very different
08:24 <@I-MOD> in acedemia, a degree teaches you what you need to know to go into your field of choice
08:24 < dasunt> I know smart people who have gone to college, and smart people who haven't.  The right college does seem to offer opportunities to learn, but, from what I've seen, people with college degrees who are skilled with computers were learning about them long before they got to college.
08:24 <@I-MOD> in practice, a degree means that you can stick with something long term until it's finished
08:24 <@I-MOD> anything else can be learned on the job
08:24 <@Dolemite> A college degree is simply proof that you can do some level of independent research and analysis.
08:25 < dasunt> Dolemite: !
08:25 <@Dolemite> Says the guy with the degree in "Liberal Studies"
08:25 <@I-MOD> lol
08:25 <@Dolemite> But I do have a minor in Computer Science.  heh.
08:26 < dasunt> Heh.
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08:28 <@someninjamaster> whats liberal studies
08:28 <@Dolemite> It teaches me to be a liberal!
08:29  * Dolemite steals someninjamaster's guns and melts them into jewelry
08:29 <@someninjamaster> ah
08:29  * someninjamaster didnt see the semi show up
08:30 <@Dolemite> Liberal Studies is basically a self directed course of study, where you can sample from various disciplines.  There is a focus, however, on literary and social studies.
08:31 <@dasunt> someninjamaster: It's High School, take 2.  *ducks*
08:31 <@someninjamaster> ah
08:31 <@Dolemite> No, I didn't have that much leeway in high school.
08:31 <@someninjamaster> kinda like what van wilder got
08:32 <@dasunt> Dolemite: I'm just teasing.  A liberal educdation, if done right, kicks ass.
08:32  * I-MOD reverse engineers a coworker's absurd hackery
08:32 <@Dolemite> Seeing as how I got to take a class called, "The Ethics of Star Trek"...
08:32 <@Dolemite> and "Harry Potter:  A Literary Analysis"
08:32 <@I-MOD> ...seriously?
08:32 <@Dolemite> yeah
08:32 <@I-MOD> wtf college did you go to?
08:33 <@Dolemite> The idea was that philosophy is philosophy, no matter what the source material is.  Why not make it something interesting?
08:33 <@Dolemite> Belmont University
08:33 <@Dolemite> Home of the Presidential Debate next week
08:33 <@I-MOD> i would totally take "The Ethics of Star Trek"
08:33 <@Dolemite> It rocked
08:34 <@I-MOD> i can only imagine
08:34 <@Dolemite> Basically the first 15 minutes of class the instructor would explain a concept, then we'd watch an episode of Star Trek, then write a paper on how that topic applied to the episode for next week
08:34 <@I-MOD> TOS or something newer?
08:34 <@Dolemite> It was a mix
08:34 <@brimstone> I-MOD: there's something like that at UAH
08:34 <@Dolemite> Mostly TOS and TNG
08:35 <@brimstone> only it was generic Sci-Fi movies
08:35 <@I-MOD> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/06/sorry-i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-how-awesome-i-am/
08:35 <@Dolemite> I didn't get to take it, but there was also a "Sociology of The Simpsons" class
08:35 <@I-MOD> wow
08:35 <@Dolemite> I had to choose between it and the J.R.R. Tolkein class :(
08:37 <@Dolemite> Belmont being such a big Music/Music Business school, I thought "History of Rock and Roll" would be awesome...   it was too business oriented
08:37 <@Dolemite> I don't give a shit what the managers were doing behind the scenes.  I want to talk about who stole what licks from whom!
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08:39 < ware> Evilpig: ping
08:44 < ware> PING PANG
08:44 < ware> Dolemite: hows the kegs lookin
08:44 <@Dolemite> cylindrical and shiny
08:51 < M0j0-j0j0> (see database on flowchart)
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08:58 <@dc0de> heh, topic on Efnet-#dc-forums is "stop stimulating my prostate, uncle sam"
09:04 <@polerin> heh
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09:12 <@sdodson> hi
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09:21 <@Evilpig> ware: pong
09:21 < ware> Evilpig: ftp up/down/avail ?
09:21 < ware> and are you gonna host the 900mb update
09:22 <@Evilpig> down.  and I probably will.  it won't be live for at least another two weeks though
09:22 < ware> okiez, jus wonderin
09:25 <@Evilpig> If I get time in the office today I am hoping to get that server back up and kicking.  something ate the OS drive in it and it is a real pita to work on
09:26 < ware> thought you ordered 5 new drives for it not too long ago
09:26 <@Evilpig> never did.  still want to.  but the OS drive is a single drive anyhow
09:26 <@Evilpig> the raid is just storage space
09:26 <@Catonic> man, wtf, now im getting spammed by viagra technical support.
09:27 <@Evilpig> it's being difficult about letting me reghost it from my backup image.  one minute it shows the drive and the image.  the next it tells me my OS drive is 40G instead of 200G.  shit like that
09:27 < ware> blah
09:27 < ware> Norton Ghost?
09:28 < ware> ive had similiar issues with nghost
09:28 <@Catonic> CIA S.P.O.O.K.?
09:28 <@sdodson> no
09:28 <@sdodson> zomg updatez 2 ghotst?
09:28 <@sdodson> I have latest sp to dd!
09:29 <@Evilpig> I use a boot disk to create a ghost image on another drive like I have for years
09:29 <@Catonic> that's actually a sad reflection on the state of backup in the unix world.
09:29 <@Evilpig> but dos doesn't like to see a partition that is on the end of a drive
09:29 < ware> ahh
09:30 <@Catonic> that outside of tar, dump, and dd, those are your options. And the commercial software supports either one or two of those options.
09:30 < ware> there was a thread on NLUG about different backup solutions
09:30 < ware> Catonic: what about rsync
09:30 <@Evilpig> headed to the office now.  have a conference call in 30 min.  and have to get the receptionist's computer back up before that
09:31 <@Catonic> ware: that's a different issue.
09:32 <@Catonic> ware: dump and tar can write to tape on thier own. To get rsync to do that means forcing it to talk to tar, and having it dump all of the information over anyway...
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09:32 < ware> ahh didnt know that
09:32 <@Catonic> it makes sense in a certain way of thought -- a local copy, a full backup -- is still a backup.
09:32 < ware> i am not guru of the ereet tho
09:32 <@Catonic> but it's not a tape backup.
09:32 < ware> yeah if its on another piece of hardware
09:33 <@Catonic> I don't know if this is a sad reflection on tech or not, but I recently lost some old ESDI drives.
09:34 <@Catonic> 20MB, 115MB. Yet I have a pile of 1GB SCSI drives that for God knows what reason are still ticking.
09:34 <@unixfag> production costs go down, data density goes up... "good enough" is the motto
09:36 <@Catonic> Well, I think you have to balance that..
09:37 <@Catonic> unfortunately, I'm one of the two real thinkers of the group. And no one listens to me because my commentary is not accepted as it is considered criticism.
09:37 <@GodFix> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/09/29/bailout-marks-karl-marx-s-comeback.aspx
09:37 <@Catonic> I just see this need to fix the broken. And for some reason, $work is full of broken.
09:38 < ware> Catonic: rofl
09:39 <@nachoguy> yay! Safenet sent us a cease and desist letter
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09:45 <@I-MOD> nachoguy, why?
09:46 <@nachoguy> apparently one of our users was torrenting.
09:46 < ware> hahaha
09:46 <@nachoguy> it's unclear if he was doing it from work on purpose, or if he logged into the VPN and forgot that it was running.
09:52 <@I-MOD> fun
09:53 <@nachoguy> yeah
10:03 < ware> http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/palin-facebook-2.jpg
10:08 <@Evilpig> heh  http://stats.distributed.net/participant/phistory.php?project_id=8&id=403458
10:08 < ware> RC5-72 ?
10:10 < ware> http://stats.distributed.net/projects.php?project_id=8
10:11 < ware> ahh
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11:10 <@dasunt> I have a rack that has three 48 port patch panels at the top, 3 24 port switches at the bottom.
11:10 <@dasunt> Which is a wiring mess.
11:11 <@ShadowHntr> yikes
11:11 <@dasunt> Ideally, if I had 3 48 port switches, I'd keep it in that configuration, and do a one-to-one mapping of patch panel number -> switch port, but I'm not getting those switches.
11:11 <@ShadowHntr> i'd hate to be the one tasked with organizing that.
11:12 < ware> thats fun stuff
11:12 <@dasunt> So any reason why it would be a bad idea to alternate patch panels and switches?
11:12 < ware> tedious and time consuming, but its not that hard
11:12 < ware> itll be organized that way
11:13 <@dasunt> What pisses me off is that I can tell that when it was set up, it was nicely done.
11:13 <@dasunt> Then someone added a ton of ports using 5' cables they didn't bother organizing.
11:13 <@dasunt> Fucktards.
11:14 <@nachoguy> Dasunt, I did that at my last place.  I loved it.
11:14 < ware> gotta have rack management policys in place or it goes to shit quick
11:15 <@nachoguy> I had a map of offices and various drops -> patch panel number and port -> switch number and port.  SO a little bit of digging through the arp tables told me exactly which machine (and by querying the machine, which user) was located where.
11:15 <@dasunt> rack management would be easy if it wasn't for the damn liberal government frowning upon killing idiots.
11:15 <@nachoguy> Dasunt, what're you up to these days?  still in the frozen north?
11:16 <@dasunt> Yep.
11:17 <@dasunt> Pondering if I can afford PN12...
11:20 <@nachoguy> you still working helpdesk up there?
11:21 <@dasunt> Jack of all trades IT.
11:21 <@coil> ohhh now i know why you drink so much
11:22 <@dasunt> Yes.
11:22 <@nachoguy> ah
11:22 <@dasunt> This week my projects include configuring a new MLPPP setup on Cisco IOS 12.x, rolling out updates to hacked up fucked up leenucks boxen, fixing a custom centralized server setup, fixing sharepoint (ugh)...
11:23 <@coil> aww you dont like sharepoint?
11:23 <@dasunt> Rewiring this rack (if I have enough foot long patch cables), and working on my all-in-one autoinstallation script for new builds.
11:23 <@dasunt> coil: I don't like this setup.
11:24 <@nachoguy> dasunt, check out unattended.  Apparently it takes some work to get rolling, but once it's in place, it saves our helpdesk a lot of time.
11:29 <@dasunt> I'm looking at PXE right now.
11:29 <@brimstone> pxe is hot
11:29 <@brimstone> windows unattended?
11:29 <@dasunt> I want to see if unattended will work with a custom configuation file on an otherwise empty NTFS partition.
11:29 <@dasunt> brimstone: Yep.
11:29 <@brimstone> i've done that before
11:29 <@brimstone> it's kinda tricky with windows crap
11:30 <@brimstone> but it is possible with just a debian server
11:30 <@nachoguy> yeah, we use pxe + unattended
11:30 <@dasunt> Right now, here's what I have:  Windows CDs, prepatched.
11:30 <@ShadowHntr> www.ultimatedeployment.org
11:30 <@dasunt> Driver disks (we do a variety of hardware, so I made 6 disks with almost every driver on them).
11:30 <@dasunt> Autoit3 scripts for the most common apps.
11:31 <@dasunt> And a bootable, networkable dos ghost disk for backups.
11:31 <@dasunt> I want to do DOS ghost and the windows install from PXE boot though.
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11:43 <@Catonic_lp> ironic
11:43 <@Catonic_lp> you can deploy a unix-based solution using PXE and almost any unix-based OS, but Windows still isn't happy unless you boot it from the CD.
11:44 <@coil> oh
11:46 <@brimstone> Catonic_lp: H. Peter Anvin is my hero
11:46 < TheLightcosine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc
11:46 < TheLightcosine> lol
11:47 <@aestetix> man
11:47 <@aestetix> I wish I had cleartype on my blackberry
11:47 < TheLightcosine> this is video getting passed arouns is jamming up our spam quarantine
11:47 < TheLightcosine> wow the sentence was terrible
11:47 < TheLightcosine> uhoh i think ir retarded
11:48 <@coil> we wknow
11:49 <@aestetix> polerin: you around?
11:50 <@dasunt> Catonic_lp: Windows is a jealous god.
11:51 <@nachoguy> Catonic, untrue
11:52 <@aestetix> OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD
11:52 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic_lp: ultimatedeployment.org
11:52 <@ShadowHntr> :)
11:52 <@coil> i hate that song
11:52 <@aestetix> HE REIGNS FROM HEAVEN ABOVE
11:53 <@aestetix> WITH WISDOM POWER AND LOVE
11:53 <@aestetix> OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD
11:53 < ware> noob
11:54 <@ShadowHntr> Smile! God loves you.*
11:54 <@ShadowHntr> * Some restrictions and exclusions apply.
11:54 <@aestetix> God blessed me with an abortion.
11:54 <@ShadowHntr> God may not love you if you are gay, know anyone who is gay, don't hate gays, or possess any view contrary to the Religious Right.
11:56 < Tuttle|> "all animals are equal, some are more equal than others"
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11:59 <@coil> ShadowHntr, that sux
12:21 < remofor1> coil: yeah, this god guy is generally recognized as not very nice
12:25 <@aestetix> Did you guys see the new Palin video?
12:25 <+MaxieZ> Is it hawt?
12:26 <@aestetix> It's worse than the Katie Couric video
12:26 <@coil> they're gonna win cuz guys are like omg boobies
12:27 <@coil> "i'll vote for mccain cuz palin has boobs"
12:27 <@poiupoiu> but by that logic, Clinton should be the democratic primary
12:27 <@poiupoiu> or rather, the democrat's party selection
12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> She almost was
12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> I think the point was that there are more misogynists on the conservative side
12:30 <@aestetix> Um.
12:30 <@coil> clinton didn't have big enough boobs
12:30 <@aestetix> Clinton actually has political experience and more to say than regurgitated talking points.
12:30 <@coil> so that's why she's not the candidate
12:31 <@aestetix> I might not like her, but she *is* a leader. I wouldn't like her as President, but I wouldn't be scared shitless.
12:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Anyway, "it's the economy, stupid"
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> McCain's message during the first debate was "trust me; I know what I'm doing."  Unfortunately, that's the same message that W has been spouting over the last 7 years
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> which is why I think he'll lose
12:32 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: that's the opposite of government transparency.
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> The public has clearly heard enough of that crap
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12:33 <@aestetix> I can't wait for thursday.
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12:33 <@Corydon76-dig> you mean when Palin gets trounced in a debate?
12:33 <@aestetix> Yep.
12:34 <@aestetix> It'll be like playing duck hunt with the gun touching the TV
12:34 <@Corydon76-dig> One does have to wonder what the McCain advisors were thinking with that message
12:35 <@aestetix> I will say.... regarding the GOP.... is this the best they could do?
12:35 <@aestetix> I mean, seriously, Lindsay Graham would have been a better pick than Palin.
12:38 <@sdodson> Meh, the apt complex is telling me that they won't pay any damages caused by their busted water heater.
12:42 <@Catonic> I am still not used to seeing the word "Palin" without it being followed with "drome".
12:44 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: sue
12:44 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: it's the American Way
12:46 <@sdodson> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/new-yorker-cover-mocks-pa_n_130423.html
12:48 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: actually, I like Jon Stewart's take better:  Alaska is near the North Pole, therefore... she knows Santa Claus!
12:52 <@coil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewkendig/2892037701/
12:53 <@poiupoiu> she does live close to people who wear the red. I don't think Santa calls people "Comrades" though
12:54 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: http://punditkitchen.com/2008/09/29/political-pictures-vladimir-putin-see-alaska-from-here/
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13:02 <@aestetix> Did you guys see the new Palin video?
13:02 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
13:02 <@rhia> http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/print.html
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13:17 <@aestetix> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33361
13:17 <@aestetix> right
13:17 <@aestetix> *cough* david Hilbert, anyone?
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13:44 <@Evilpig> anyone in here fluent in cisco?  or have any experience with ip helper-address ?
13:49 <@Drag0n> what you need to know?
13:50 <@Evilpig> I know that ip helper can forward dhcp packets but how can you tell it which network it should be pulling from?
13:51 <@Drag0n> you apply it to the interface for the network that you want to forward the broadcasts from
13:51 <@Evilpig> like I have my main dhcp setup to do 192.168.0.xxx 192.168.100.xxx  there is a single piece of fiber between buildings and I have all static leases setup right now but would like to make the other building only get the .100.xxx addresses
13:51 <@Evilpig> I guess I just don't have my head wrapped around it yet.  which I am trying to figure out.  I should sit down and draw it all up and make sure that I have everythign in line
13:54 <@Drag0n> iphelper is a very basic tool, it just turns all broadcast traffic on an interface, and forwards it to a unicast address on the network
13:55 <@Dagmar> Basically, you get to run another instance of DHCPD on a different interface or it has no way to tell, short of you adding all those MAC addresses into a pool
13:55 <@Dagmar> There's a dhcp-relay agent specifically for DHCP.
13:55 <@Drag0n> you configure dhcp to give out that subnet and it will know that the subnet is destined for that specific section of the network due to its source address
13:56 <@Drag0n> iphelper is cisco's dhcprelay
13:56 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Your dhcp server won't recognize 802.1Q VLAN tagging?
13:56 <@Drag0n> what type of dhcp server is it?
13:57 <@Evilpig> novell dhcp
13:57 <@Evilpig> I have seen it in a school do what I want.  but not sure how they pulled off the switch magic to make it work
13:57 <@Drag0n> hmmm, not sure, it should handle it by protocol standards
13:58 <@Drag0n> are the 2 networks seperated by a router? or just one large broadcast domain?
13:58 <@Evilpig> the 802.1q tags.  do you have to tell the switch what network that vlan should be?  cause right now all my vlans minus vlan1 are ip less
13:58 <@Evilpig> right now one large broadcast domain
13:59 <@Drag0n> then you will have to either manualy designate subnets, or put a router between them
13:59 <@Drag0n> mac address to subnets
13:59 <@Drag0n> what model switches do you have?
14:00 <@Evilpig> cisco 3650
14:00 <@Drag0n> those should support layer 3 switching
14:00 <@Dagmar> Hell, if they're one broadcast domain it shouldn't matter whether those machines get a special IP pool
14:01 <@Drag0n> i think he may want to seperate for troubleshooting and identification reasons
14:01 <@Evilpig> just trying to separate the buildings out on different IPs for ...  yeah that exactly
14:01 < ware> those do layer 3
14:02 <@Evilpig> yeah they do layer 3.  but that I don't really know much about.  more of the server stuff
14:02 <@Drag0n> if the switch is layer 3 capable, then set each building into a seperate vlan and route traffic, then use iphelper to the dhcp server
14:02 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: If you're hvaing to identify machines based on the IP address they were assigned according to where they were connected, you have *failed* to exercise control over your network.
14:02 <@Catonic_lp> Evilpig: hire me as a consultant. I'm available all day thursday and friday =)
14:02 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I am in the middle of combining 5 different businesses in phsyical locations with existing networks
14:02 <@Dagmar> It will do no good to anyone should an unauthorized machine be connected
14:02 <@Drag0n> dagmar, we cant all have 100% control of every electron in the universe like you do
14:02 <@Evilpig> trying my best to keep them separate 
14:03 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: No, but we can at least take our heads out of our asses
14:03 < ware> hahaha
14:03 <@Drag0n> sorry for wanting an orderly nework to reduce troubleshooting time
14:03 <@Drag0n> we can all be omnicient
14:03 <@Drag0n> cant
14:04 <@Evilpig> I can.  but that is another problem entirely
14:04 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Assuming there's a reasonably intelligent router at each location, having the broadcast DHCP queries relayed to a specific unicast address would probably work fine
14:04 <@Evilpig> someone stealing paper.  okay dealt with.  back to the problem at hand
14:04 <@Evilpig> I have fiber between the buildings going switch to switch.  the reasonably smart router would have to be the switch. 
14:04 <@Evilpig> which I know it is capable of
14:04 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: I don't think you've given much thought to how LITTLE such a thing would help
14:05 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I am also looking at this place expanding.  if I have the networks separate it makes things easier
14:05 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I'd be trying to budget some cheap 1Us with 2 NICs to act as service firewalls, personally
14:05 <@Drag0n> considering i HAVE had to troubleshoot odd network issues, knowing what subnet they are onn before diging deeper cuts hunting time quite a bit knowing what switch to log in to and who's computer to apply the 12v battery too
14:06 < ware> do a seperate vlan for each, then its easy cakes
14:06 < ware> what the dillio
14:06 <@Evilpig> plus if I have to get help on something.  and I tell a new person with no clue oh you can use 192.168.0.xxx over int hat building but I want htem on 192.168.100.xxx that dumbass will get confused and I will have to explain it.  if it just works on dhcp I save myself time with having to tell ware wy
14:06 < ware> har har har
14:07 <@Drag0n> especialy when your dealing with sites in seveal different contries with 1000's of systems as well as multiple admins having to put their fingers in the pot
14:07 <@Dagmar> Once nice cheap little management node per broadcast domain
14:08 <@Evilpig> i'm still operating under k.i.s.s.  too.
14:08 <@Drag0n> dag, shut up if your not going to be a pompus ass
14:08 <@Evilpig> extra firewalls = extra headaches
14:08 < ware> Drag0n: youre*
14:08 <@Drag0n> -not
14:09 < ware> s/your not/youre/
14:09 < ware> g
14:09 < ware> Evilpig: i still fail to see where youre having trouble
14:09 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: not really.  Make 'em small, treat 'em like appliances, NEVER try to admin them individually but always as a group, most of the headaches go right away
14:09 <@Drag0n> as for existing situation, you can try and seperate by mac adress, but that will be very manual when changes are made
14:09 <@coil> route add default 127.0.0.2
14:09 <@Evilpig> I don't know what I am doing on this so I am asking.  plus there is another vlan issue that cisco is trying to solve out at the book company which could be the entire problem anyhow
14:10 < ware> im putting in QoS devices at 20+ locations in NY over the next 2 weeks and have been working with one of our engineers so i knwos a lil about it
14:10 <@Evilpig> I have them done out by macs now.  looking long term and trying to automate stuff
14:10 <@Dagmar> It doesn't take much to handle WINS, DNS, and DHCP.
14:10 <@Drag0n> if i were closer, i would offer to help on site
14:10 <@Evilpig> I need to document all this and I will try to get it done tonight maybe
14:11 <@Drag0n> i have specificaly used that switch in that type of solution successfully, subnetting the network for managability, securability, and performance
14:12 <@sdodson> http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/septembermadnessb.jpg
14:13 < ware> lol
14:13 < ware> securability
14:14 <@rhia> sdodson: heh
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14:16 <@rhia> missing a category for ultimate loser: US Taxpayers | Global Economy  ---- and a category for ultimate winner: China's economy
14:17 <@critch> why do you think china will make out at all?
14:18 <@rhia> currently the strongest economy, based on actual manufacturing of goods, not trades &/or services
14:19 <@critch> right, but they are holding metric ass loads of our cash. If our economy tanks, so goes that money. Plus it will cause their goods to be more expensive than domestically created ones.
14:19 <@rhia> the ability to produce tangible items tends to weather financial issues better than intangibles
14:19 <@GodFix> http://election.newsmax.com/bailout_fanniefreddy.html
14:20 <@Dagmar> We still make the best porno.
14:20 <@rhia> um, all they have to do is call in their markers and we're financially kaput .... they're still an economic juggernaut in numerous other markets than just the US
14:24 < eryc> western europe makes the best porn
14:24 <@Dagmar> Using poop isn't considered "better" by most people
14:25 <@rhia> on a different note: http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20080930
14:25 <@Dolemite> you're thinking of Japan
14:25 <@Dolemite> They're much more apt to include bodily waste
14:28 < eryc> yea that or american detention camps
14:28 < eryc> dog tricks and fecal covering is all the rage
14:31 < ware> what did the dog asshole say to the hooker's mouth?
14:31 < ware> oh hai tharr!!
14:32 < ware> .. err i think i messed that one up
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14:35 <@coil> hi how do i ware
14:35 <@coil> lrn2ware plzkthx
14:35 < ware> :D :D :D
14:36 <@Evilpig> any of you have dia installed?
14:36 <@Evilpig> or should I save this as pdf?
14:37 < ware> portable documentable fortmatables
14:37 <@coil> Evilpig, i have diaf installed
14:37 <@Evilpig> coil: wow.  ummm pour some gas on yourself and try it out?
14:37 <@brimstone> the free version of dia?
14:37 < nated0g_wrk> what up people!
14:37 <@coil> already did
14:38 <@coil> it's tested and approved
14:38 < nated0g_wrk> no wonder ive been bored all week. forgot to load up xchat
14:38 < ware> diaf: coil tested and approved
14:38 <@rhia> Evilpig: just .pdf
14:38 <@Evilpig> http://firewall.icscci.com/~wilbur/ICS.png
14:39 < nated0g_wrk> you spelled internet wrong
14:39 <@Evilpig> are you high?
14:39 < ware> rofl
14:40 <@Dolemite> there's no 's'
14:40 <@Dolemite> everybody know it's the internets!
14:40 <@Evilpig> I think the boss just approved the super sekret "water" bottle graphics idea
14:40 <@Evilpig> I need to have a talk with our marketting girl.  cause when she told him the idea he said no.  I explained it and he laughed
14:40 <+MaxieZ> I want to make a water called "!urine"
14:41 <@Dagmar> lol
14:41 < nated0g_wrk> intarweb
14:41 <@Dagmar> "Druge tests can be tricky: Study hard!"
14:42 < ware> dankity dank :D
14:43 <@Dagmar> "GHB: No taste, no odor, no regrets!"
14:43 <@Catonic_lp> awesome
14:43 <@Catonic_lp> I got a picture from a taxi at Defcon... fare: $13.37. time: 9:11.
14:44 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: she regrets it the next morning.  if she can remember the night before
14:45 <@tzanger> Catonic_lp: my library card number is 500001337 :-)
14:46 <@Dagmar> Well, there's also "GHB: No carbs, no fats, NO PROBLEM!"
14:47 <@Catonic_lp> tzanger: you suck sir
14:47 <@tzanger> Catonic_lp: :-)
14:47 <@tzanger> it was totally unintentional and I didn't notice it until I got home
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14:51 <@Dagmar> Oof.
14:51 <@Dagmar> I gotta lose some weight so it hurts less when I fall down
14:52 <@Drag0n> try not to fall down as much
14:53 <@Dagmar> Shit happens.
14:53 <@Dagmar> Especially when construction crews leave gravel everywhere
14:53 <@Catonic_lp> that's not a problem for me...
14:54 <@critch> heh, did it involve dropping your scooter too?
14:54 <@Dagmar> Try it in lunchtime traffic
14:55 <@Dagmar> critch: Nah, I just fell off and the scooter kept going.
14:55 <@Dagmar> Parked itself and everything.
14:55 <@Catonic_lp> that's an ohshit moment
14:55 <@Dagmar> I'm more irritated about probably ruining the finish on my slacks than I am my elbow being skinned up
14:55 <@Catonic_lp> I went over the handlebars on my bike and wasn't able to roll out because I was wrapped up in the bike
14:56 <@Dagmar> ...I do appear to have bruised my shoulder a bit tho, which is definitely annoying
14:56 <@Dagmar> I drink with that arm!
14:56 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOWtFZeeLKw
14:56 <@Catonic_lp> I find I roll better when I've been distracted
14:56 <@Dagmar> I was doing about 15mph at the time
14:57 <@Dagmar> I slid *maybe* four feet in total
14:57 <@Dagmar> Yay for helmets
14:57 <@Dagmar> Rang my head a wee bit
14:58 <@Dolemite> we told you not to pop wheelies on your scooter
14:58 <@Dagmar> You can't pop wheelies on the things.
14:58 <@Dagmar> No leverage.
14:58 <@Dementia> I still can't understnd all the riders around here that don't wear helmets
14:58 <@Dagmar> CERTAINLY a lack of hosepower
14:58 <@Catonic_lp> Dementia: stupidity...
14:58 <@Dagmar> Dementia: Yeah, having bounced my head on the asphalt WITH a helmet and not being happy about it, I can only surmise that the reason they don't want to wear a helmet is because they've done it a few times without one
14:59 <@Catonic_lp> I wear a helmet on a 21-speed. Mostly because I grew up riding a bike, and we did some dumb shit then and barely survived it.
14:59 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Yeah, I've had 10-speed wrecks that were way worse than what happened to me today
14:59 <@Dementia> I wear a helmet riding my bicycle around here because the drivers are idiots, and I like my skull
14:59 <@Catonic_lp> that's the other reason... less worried about hitting something, more worried about something hitting me.
15:00 <@Catonic_lp> I've seen what happens when you surf into the windshield of a buick backwards... not fun.
15:00 <@Dementia> yeah ow
15:00 <@rhia> luv the rice rockets doing wheelies at mph on the interstate here, no helmets, no leathers, weaving in between cars
15:00 <@Dementia> rhia, here too
15:00 <@tzanger> Catonic_lp: hey I've done that!
15:01 <@Dagmar> I've seen that
15:01 <@tzanger> not sure if it was a buick I hit but yeah... not fun
15:01 <@Dagmar> I've seen that in 5 o'clock traffic.
15:01 <@Dagmar> Those people are fucking retarded.
15:01 <@tzanger> windshields are remarkably hard
15:01 <@Dagmar> If I'd had a pistol I would have shot out that kids tires just to go ahead and get his fatal accident out of the way
15:02 <@Dementia> I was driving one night on the Kennedy and two guys split the lane between me and the next car going about 110.. if I'd been paying any less attention they'd be oil slicks
15:03 <@Dementia> no helmets, no leathers
15:03 <@coil> watashi wa ichido bata- wo fukuro ni irete chinbo mo ireta
15:03 <@critch> dude in smyrna had his leg amputated by a little chick in a suv that couldn't wait for the turn light.
15:04 <@Dementia> ugh.
15:04 <@critch> friend of mines wife was in the vehicle next to where dude landed
15:04 <@Catonic_lp> I have a zen way of driving.
15:04 <@Catonic_lp> If you don't like it, zen get out of my way.
15:05 <@Dementia> I was going to say, dude, I've been in a car with you, there is nothing zen about your driving.
15:05 <@Catonic_lp> seriously.. sometimes speed can be safety when you're surrounded by idiots
15:05 <@Dagmar> It makes sure you land clear of the wreckage so no one else can hit you?
15:05 <@critch> yep, speed gets you clear of the idiots, well until you run up to the next pack of them
15:05 <@Catonic_lp> otoh, talking on your phone while you should be driving... bad.
15:06 <@Catonic_lp> I've discovered that being the only one on the road who follows "slower traffic move right" is amusing as well.
15:06 <@Dagmar> Right lane, left lane... It's all the same to me
15:06 <@Dementia> I've noticed that people on the phone drive slowly.. really slowly... and through stop signs
15:06 <@Dagmar> I get in the lane with fewer cars in it
15:08 <@Catonic_lp> Dementia: I'm still quick about changing lanes, I just drive slow on the long runs
15:08 <@Dementia> I've also discovered Chicago drivers don't get the concept of an "express lane"
15:08 <@Dementia> They get in it and then do 40
15:09 <@Dementia> and when there's only one lane... everybody crawls and watches the "local" lanes whiz by
15:09 <@Catonic_lp> Most drivers have given up on any concept of differeniated speed on the highways
15:09 <@critch> Catonic_lp: doesn't mean the law has changed though. I am running a nice campaign down here to get the cops to actually enforce that.
15:10 <@poiupoiu> i tend to go 5 over the limit if it's wide open. if there's traffic, i follow what they're doing... even though they generally go about 10 mph under the limit in sections
15:10 <@Catonic_lp> it's manyfold. people are sheep, and therefore do stupid things. people tailgate, causing lower speeds and congestion. Adding lanes does not ease congestion because humans are simians, and nature abhors a void.
15:10 <@Dagmar> critch: They're not enforcing HOV restrictions?
15:10 <@tzanger> Catonic_lp: are they simians or sheep
15:10 <@critch> not usually
15:10 <@Dagmar> Man that's lame
15:10 <@Dementia> I got a ticket for the HOV lane once
15:11 <@Catonic_lp> critch: more power to you. I'm doing my part by saving gas and forcing faster traffic to move or hit me.
15:11 <@Dementia> I think they enforce it when they're under quota
15:11 <@Dagmar> They should enforce it rigorously
15:11 <@Catonic_lp> tzanger: depends on which ones you're fucking.
15:11 <@critch> I did enjoy last Wednesday because two TN troopers sat in the lane next to HOV and basically caused the other 3 to slow down and all the violaters to jump out of the HOV lane and therefore out of my way.
15:11 <@Dementia> heh nice
15:11 <@Dagmar> If someone's got the money to be driving fast, all by themselves, they've got the money to pay the fine
15:11 <@Catonic_lp> critch: can you HOV it on a bike?
15:12 <@critch> Yep, without speeding I think it was the fastest time to get from work to bike night.
15:12 <@tzanger> Catonic_lp: if it's a bicycle meant for two
15:12 <@tzanger> er built
15:12 <@Dagmar> critch: Those guys deseve a free dinner
15:12 <@critch> Catonic_lp: yes bikes are legal
15:12 <@Catonic_lp> Dagmar: that or they like to stay safe and drive fast.
15:12 <@Dementia> I was just being tired and spaced out on when the HOV lane actually ended
15:13 <@Catonic_lp> Dementia: it went out in the late 1990s, but we still keep the concept around, despite the fact no one pays attention to it.
15:13 <@Dementia> I meant when it physically ended... it was morning and I moved over about a mile before I should have
15:14 <@Dementia> After that point I just got pissed off a lot at people passing me in that lane and not getting pulled over
15:14 <@Catonic_lp> Dementia: and you are carpooling?
15:15 <@Dementia> well I am now. That ticket was a couple years ago
15:15 <@critch> Catonic_lp: just read the backscroll. if someone rearends you because you didn't yield right, you are just as much at fault.
15:15 <@critch> Catonic_lp: not moving right is considere improper lane use.
15:15 <@Catonic_lp> critch: if someone rear-ends me and I'm in the right lane... they have other problems.
15:15 <@Dagmar> Gooc luck proving it
15:16 <@Catonic_lp> critch: remember who you're talking to...
15:16 <@Catonic_lp> left = fast, right = slow.
15:16 <@Dagmar> s/Gooc/Good/;
15:16 <@Catonic_lp> and I have the tickets to prove that I do know how to use a lane, my NASA ticket notwithstanding.
15:16 <@critch> Catonic_lp: yeah, from the right lane, yeah, a rearending isn't your fault unless you are below min speed
15:17 <@critch> Catonic_lp: see, that is a problem with your definition. left != fast, left == faster, If approached from the rear, someone else is faster and you should move right.
15:18 < remofor1> if someone rams you b/c you were going slower than they thought you shouldve been and you didnt move over
15:19 < remofor1> thats attempted murder
15:19 <@Dagmar> Unless you're on I-40 between Lebanon and Hermitage.
15:19 <@Dagmar> ...then there's no point because the fuckers driver 85 mph *minimum* in the right lane
15:19 <@critch> remofor1: no it isn't attempted murder unless you can prove it was malicious.
15:19 <@Dagmar> s/driver/drive/;
15:19 <@Dagmar> If you can't prove it was malicious then it's merely "manslaughter"
15:19 < remofor1> "b/c you were going slower than they thought you shouldve been"
15:19 < remofor1> true
15:20 <@critch> and not even that unless they can prove you were doing something stupid
15:20 < remofor1> however its hard to claim you ran into them by accident
15:20 <@Catonic_lp> critch: again, me.
15:20 < remofor1> when they are in front of you
15:20 <@Catonic_lp> I've never been passed while driving in the left lane.
15:20 < remofor1> and you are pushing on the gas
15:20 <@critch> remofor1: if you can prove that they are not going faster than the people on the right of them, it is still improper lane usage
15:20 <@Catonic_lp> The slowest I've gone in the left lane was 90.
15:21 < remofor1> critch: i dont give a shit
15:21 < remofor1> legal or not
15:21 < remofor1> someone does that to me and its on
15:21 < remofor1> to hit someone on purpose is beyond fucked up
15:22 <@critch> remofor1: Because of the HOV violators and improper lane usage on my way home, I have been getting prepared to start nice little thank you packages for the front windshields of those assholes.
15:22 <@critch> remofor1: I didn't say on purpose
15:22 < remofor1> right in the same class as opening a door for a motorcycle when they are traveling inbetween cars
15:22 < remofor1> you cant rearend someone on the highway by accident unless they cut you off
15:22 < remofor1> its just not possible
15:23 <@critch> remofor1: I have nearly ate the rearend of a car in the left lane because some idiot decided to slow down for a lane change from far left to far right.
15:23 < remofor1> unless you are driving wiht your eyes closed
15:23 <@Catonic_lp> so the solution is that we decide the LAWS OF THE ROAD and then ENFORCE THEM and require 100% COMPLIANCE
15:23 <@Catonic_lp> ZERO-TOLERANCE for mistakes
15:23 < remofor1> now if someone brake checks you, thats diff
15:23 <@dasunt> Heh, try riding a bike.
15:23 <@critch> remofor1: no brakes, running 80+ then they slowed without signal to under 30
15:23 <@dasunt> You'll find out who the assholes are.
15:23 <@Catonic_lp> dasunt: I bought a computer.
15:24 <@dasunt> Catonic_lp: What type?
15:24 <@Catonic_lp> dasunt: ALL OF THEM!
15:24 <@Catonic_lp> el cheapo. They have one at walmart
15:24 < remofor1> a breakcheck i can understand
15:24 <@critch> remofor1: further, as I had the bike all locked down, the person in the back seat watched as I slid up to with in inches of the bumper without saying a word to the driver
15:24 <@dasunt> Not an acer hopefully.
15:25 < remofor1> thats fucked up
15:25 < remofor1> very much agressive driving on their part
15:25 < remofor1> it just sounded earlier like you were advocating hitting grandma driving 60mph in the fast lane w/ the cruise control on
15:25 <@dasunt> Does the "left lane" == faster rule still take effect if the road capacity is saturated?
15:25 < remofor1> just a wee bit of blue hair sticking up over the steering wheel
15:26 <@dasunt> Because during rush hour, left lane/right lane tends to be at the same speed.
15:26 <@critch> remofor1: nope, just fucking illegals who thought it might be better at the last moment to go from the lane on I40w to go to I24e to change and go downtown.
15:26 <@Catonic_lp> God, please let me win the lottery, so I can buy a snowplow and an army of lawyers.
15:26 <@Dementia> hey, you got a problem with us blue haired folks? :)
15:26 <@Dagmar> yes.
15:26 < remofor1> dasunt: even better in north georgia the rule seems to be slow lane is in the middle and ppl pass on both sides
15:26 < remofor1> always scares the shit out of me
15:26 <@Catonic_lp> Dementia: no problem at all, strawberry shortcake.
15:26 <@dasunt> Georgia is a magical land.
15:26 <@Dementia> lol
15:27  * dasunt has to destroy this network in about 3 minutes...  :(
15:27 <@dasunt> BBL -- network's going down.
15:35 < ware> WEEE
15:45 <@aestetix> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html
15:45 <@aestetix> This guy makes an astonishingly good point about how Palin may win the debate.
15:45 < Neoteric> is there a good reason to allow axfr on a dns server?
15:46 <@Dagmar> If you have secondary servers that get their info from it, yes.
15:46 <@Dagmar> AXFR == zone transfer
15:47 <@Dagmar> If ther'es no secondary servers, or you update your secondaries manually, then you don't need AXFR
15:48 <@Dagmar> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/axfr-notes.html
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15:50 < Neoteric> thanks dag
15:50 <@Dagmar> np
16:19 <@Catonic_lp> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/fail-owned-dairy-queen-billboard-scream-fail.jpg
16:28 <@Evilpig> well I found the problem in our accounting department.  the accountant can't tell a 2 from a 3
16:29 <@Evilpig> I told her the onsite desposit password for today was computer3.  and hte bitch kept putting in computer2 til it locked the account
16:29 <@Drag0n> accounting error, replace accountant and try again
16:30 <@Dagmar> Oh were it that easy
16:30 <@Evilpig> i've been up here for an hour and a half now trying to install a check reader.  bb&t had to remote in and install the correct drivers because the cd they sent us is wrong
16:31 <@Evilpig> and then that cunt goes and locks the software out so I have to reinstall the entire shebang again.  which means the scanner drivers are gonna get hosed...  again
16:42 <@Drag0n> moooove over     http://www.700wlw.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119585&amp;article=4322791
16:56 <@brimstone> i <3 sales reps
16:57 <@brimstone> dell guy wanted to know how well our new san was
16:57 <@brimstone> i told him we were only getting 122~125MB/s out of it
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17:03 <@Catonic_lp> snap. it's been a month already.
17:10 <@aestetix> Since what?
17:14 < Neoteric> is it the end of ramadan?
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17:15 <@Catonic_lp> dunno, need to ask the dude who runs the pita shop
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17:49 <@sdodson> Catonic_lp: PITAS ARE GOOD!
17:50 <@sdodson> brimstone: what'd he say about that?
17:50 <@brimstone> sdodson: he was gonna go talk to the SE's for me
17:50 <@brimstone> i had to stop him there
17:51 <@sdodson> This is equalogic stuff?
17:51 <@sdodson> I forgot.
17:51 <@brimstone> yeah
17:51 <@sdodson> That shit looked hot!
17:51 <@sdodson> That's iSCSI right? Or AOE?
17:52 <@brimstone> iSCSI
17:54 <@sdodson> All the kids now talk about AOE being the new hotness but I think FCoE will be the next.
17:54 <@brimstone> pfft, iSCSI over 10G
17:55 <@sdodson> dunno, the customers that pay us the big bills are hot about FCoE
17:55 <@brimstone> i was impressed when i realized that 125MB/s
17:55 <@brimstone> was 1gbps
17:55 <@sdodson> Ya, can you push two pipes?
17:55 <@sdodson> I imagine it's got two ports per controller, right?
17:55 <@brimstone> you can't control which interface will handle your connection
17:56 <@brimstone> 3
17:56 <@sdodson> Why not?
17:56 <@brimstone> group ip and all that
17:56 <@brimstone> they also don't do bonding, they do multipathing
17:56 <@sdodson> dm-mulitpath?
17:56 <@sdodson> right, that'll round robin
17:56 <@sdodson> groupip??? I do not understand thiss
17:57 <@brimstone> yeah, but not between interfaces per connection, unless i'm missing something
17:57 <@sdodson> How many spindles did you say was in your raid5?
17:57 <@sdodson> So you have one controller or two?
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17:59 <@brimstone> 2, active passive, 7 active spindles
17:59 <@sdodson> Alright.
18:00 <@sdodson> So server1.eth1 <-> switch1 x - storageprocessor0.eth0
18:00 <@sdodson>                   +- storageprocessor1.eth0
18:01 <@sdodson> err move that out farther, basically eth1 connects to a switch which connects to both SP right?
18:01 <@sdodson> then eth2 to switch2 which connects to both right?
18:01 <@brimstone> i got eth1 and eth2 on the server connecting into the same switch
18:02 <@brimstone> well
18:02 <@brimstone> no
18:02 <@sdodson> Start up iSCSI between eth1 and both of the SP, start up iSCSI between eth2 and both of the SP.
18:02 <@brimstone> let's take this to pm, it's gonna get complicated
18:02 <@sdodson> run your multipathd, group by priority.
18:02 <@sdodson> ooh, hotness
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18:50 < eryc> yes today is eid
18:50 < eryc> mild debauchery ensues
18:51 < eryc> http://gizmodo.com/5056931/admit-it-the-stormtrooper-hoodie-is-a-little-tempting
19:14 <@nachoguy> multipathing is weird
19:16 <@brimstone> no joke
19:20 <@sdodson> no way it's easy
19:22 < ware> i have chinese kids in my basement that remember 1s and 0s and they can do multipathing
19:23 < eryc> ipmp supaez
19:24 < eryc> groovy on grails is sweet
19:24 < ware> grizzle in the sizzle is mobetta
19:24 < eryc> mo betta make da flo wetta
19:26 < eryc> class Memory extends Component {
19:26 < eryc>   static belongsTo = Server
19:26 < eryc>   Server server
19:26 < eryc>   String size
19:26 < eryc>   String toString() {
19:26 < eryc>     return size
19:26 < eryc>   }
19:26 < eryc> huzzah!
19:26 < eryc> my orm foo is wicked yo
19:27 < eryc> (not really but its fun)
19:27 <@nachoguy> apparently with iscsi + multipath, if an interface goes away while the disk is being used, you run into issues because you can't force a filehandle to close on a device that no longer exists.
19:28 <@nachoguy> what's the groovy?
19:28 < eryc> grails.org
19:29 <@sdodson> nachoguy: huh, why?
19:29 <@sdodson> the scsi device won't disappear, it'll just fuck up
19:29 < eryc> i assume that problem also exists w/o multipath
19:31 <@sdodson> nachoguy: Which iscsi implementation?
19:31 <@sdodson> ietf or openiscsi?
19:32 < ware> **keywords**
19:32 <@sdodson> mo money mo problems!
19:59 < mubix> hmooCon
19:59 < mubix> damn you touch pad
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20:21 < AstralSin> grrrr
20:22 < AstralSin> c#'s file handling is re-fucking-tarded
20:22 < AstralSin> i save to a new file, begin to write the file out, and get an error that the damn thing is already in use
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20:36 <@SkyDog_> mubix: How goes man?
20:37 < mubix> sup SkyDog_
20:37 < mubix> how you b
20:37 <@SkyDog_> Not bad. Relaxing at the HC. You?
20:37 < mubix> my static default answer since 2005 is: busy
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20:38 < mubix> and it's never far off the money
20:38 < mubix> ;-)
20:38 < mubix> what about you? you must be stressing
20:38 <@ladymerlin> heya mubix
20:38 <@SkyDog_> nah. Things work out. Stuff coming down to the wire...
20:39 < mubix> heheh
20:39 < mubix> true
20:39 < mubix> ladymerlin, you are an angel, been watching videos for the last 24 hours
20:39 <@ladymerlin> hehe
20:41 < eryc> ?
20:42 < mubix> So, you gonna work me like a dog on Saturday?
20:42 < mubix> ladymerlin, ^
20:42 <@ladymerlin> muhahah
20:43 <@ladymerlin> your mine now ;)
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20:46 < mubix> damn it
21:00 <@ladymerlin> mubix: how are the boys?
21:01 < mubix> sleeping thank god
21:01 <@ladymerlin> hehe
21:02 < mubix> I'm excited about Phreaknic
21:02 < mubix> gonna be a blast
21:02 <@ladymerlin> yup
21:02 <@SkyDog_> Me too. I wonder what's gonna happen... :)
21:03 < mubix> you're the damn organizer you better know whats going to happen
21:08 <@sdodson> I'm going to be in DC that weekend, I think.
21:08 <@sdodson> If not, are there still hotel rooms?
21:08 <@ladymerlin> yes
21:09 <@ladymerlin> and you better be at pn!
21:10 <@Jagobah> that reminds me i Need to prereg and get a hotel room
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21:10 <@sdodson> http://www.cracked.com/article_16670_10-people-from-your-past-who-will-haunt-you-on.html
21:18 <@dasunt> sdodson: I like #2.
21:19 <@dasunt> The "What They Really Mean".
21:20 <@dasunt> There's a kernel of truth in that -- a lot of the truly batshit crazy people out there rank lower on the asshole meter than John Q. Normal.
21:30 <@dasunt> Y'know my internet stalker I joke about?  It is becoming less of a joke.
21:35 <@sdodson> dasunt: Ya, so that barbed wire shit really hurt man, stop that.
21:36 < eryc> 1: You are not allowed to overwrite the final class 'java.net.NetworkInterface'.
21:36 < eryc> aha!
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21:55 <@sdodson> fish and grits and all that pimp shit
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22:03 <@sdodson> http://discussionleader.hbsp.com/cramm/2008/09/can-the-itbusiness-marriage-be.html
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23:26 <@coil> sdodson, centos do you like it?
23:30 <@Catonic> he likes it in his mouth, on his face, and dripping down his chin.
23:32 < ware> noob =/
23:32 < ware> ops
23:33 <@Catonic> if you want ops, you gotta say something for me.
23:34 < ware> Catonic: you have a donkey
23:34 < ware> i have a rooster
23:34 < ware> youre donkey eats my roosters 2 legs
23:34 < ware> what do you have?
23:35 < ware> 2 feet of my cock in your ass
23:35 < ware> bish
23:36 < ware> guess that wasnt it
23:40 <@Catonic> ware: stop fanticising about the gay shit. I can never fulfill the moment that you and timoguin shared. You should see Corydon about a confessional if you want to get through that.
23:40 < ware> 23:30 <@  Catonic> he likes it in his mouth, on his face, and dripping down his chin.
23:41 < ware> yeah... im the one fantasizing about that... riiiiight
23:48 <@coil> debt
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23:50 <@Catonic> ware: I've been busting on my bros all night. Get over it.
23:50  * Catonic throws a fifth at ware: "Drink, fucker."
23:52  * ware throws an empty 5th at Catonic: "GLAD YOU CONSIDER US BROS BRO"
23:52  * ware goes to sleep
23:57 <@coil> kbay
23:59  * Catonic turns timoguin on to bro-rape
23:59  * Catonic hands another fifth to coil and timoguin 
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23:59 <@coil> thanks Catonic my homie
23:59  * Catonic runs off before he becomes a witness to the crime
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