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00:00 < dasunt> What should I start on fire?
00:02 <@brimstone> the past
00:04 < dasunt> It's already been destroyed.
00:05 < dasunt> Along with the future.
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01:07 <@coil> hi someone fix my postfix
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02:34 < M0j0-j0j0> http://www.jaceeverett.com/playlistOne/03 Bad Things.mp3
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04:48 <@coil> http://www.cisco.com/
04:49 <@coil> http://blog.dotsmart.net/2008/09/25/cisco-home-page-fail/
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07:44 <@brimstone> Hak5Darren!
07:48 <@SkyDog_> Heh. Mubox was in here last night.
07:48 <@SkyDog_> Sup Darren!
07:48 <@SkyDog_> You guys coming to PN?
07:49 < Hak5Darren> hey SkyDog_
07:49 < Hak5Darren> Yeah I'd love to. I just sent in our press inquiry
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07:50 < Hak5Darren> So much travel lately. Doing Toorcon this weekend, then Day-Con, SecureWorld Expo, and hopefully Phreaknic
07:50 <@ladymerlin> whee
07:51 <@SkyDog_> Awesome! I will check the email in just a few and reply.
07:52 < Hak5Darren> Thanks. I'll do what I do best on IRC and idle :p
07:52 <@SkyDog_> Haha!
08:06 <@brimstone> that would be cool to meet you guys there
08:10 <@SkyDog_> Hopefully they will have the cameras. We need national coverage of you guys plastered.
08:11 <@brimstone> do we now?
08:11 <@SkyDog_> yes.
08:12 <@brimstone> i don't think it's needed...
08:12 <@ladymerlin> haha
08:12 <@SkyDog_> THere are pictures of us drinking with them in DC at shmoocon.
08:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:30 < poiupoiu> mornin Dolemite
08:31 < poiupoiu> got a question for you all - when does the hotel reservation for PN deal go until?
08:31 <@Dolemite> they run out
08:32 < poiupoiu> when do they normally run out of rooms? just whenever they do?
08:32 <@Dolemite> the week before the con
08:32 < poiupoiu> kay, thanks
08:32 <@Dolemite> but see, here's the thing
08:32 < poiupoiu> oh?
08:32 <@Dolemite> go ahead and reserve a room now
08:33 <@Dolemite> if you can't make it, just cancel the room
08:33 <@Dolemite> it's not like they charge your credit card when you book it
08:33 < poiupoiu> i'm already volunteering and pre-reg'ed. i was going to get a room with another guy and just curious if time'll be against him
08:34 < poiupoiu> and if i should reserve the room
08:35 <@oddball> How much you want to bet that this is one of the asshats that caused our gas problems in Nashville: http://community.livejournal.com/nashvillians/1109435.html
08:36 < poiupoiu> you guys had a gas frenzy as well?
08:36 <@brimstone> pfft "frenzy"
08:36 <@oddball> Nashville, specifically, made national news because we're so panicky.
08:37 <@oddball> If I remember correctly, we were starting to have issues before the hurricane actually hit.
08:38 <@Shadow404> coil: diaf
08:39 <@oddball> poiupoiu: where you located?
08:39 < poiupoiu> Huntsville
08:40 <@oddball> gotcha
08:40 < poiupoiu> strange - for a town filled with engineers, we don't use common sense often
08:40 < poiupoiu> :-/
08:40 <@brimstone> i like to think of us as a suburb of eureka
08:40 <@I-MOD> :D
08:41 <@brimstone> like, almost in the next state
08:42 <@oddball> I've been enjoying the fact that my wagon has a big tank and I don't have to drive much.  I was able to just wait out the 2 weeks of it being near impossible to find gas in this town.
08:43 <@oddball> (we're now at "well, it's tricky, but possible")
08:47 <@Dolemite> On the Southeast side of town it wasn't even much of an inconvenience
08:47 <@Dolemite> One of two places ran out of gas the whole time, and others would be out for maybe half a day at most
08:47 <@Dolemite> er, One or
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09:12 <@oddball> antioch was dry
09:13 <@oddball> once you got out of the city limits, things were different though
09:20 <@Dolemite> yeah, I'm talking about the Lavergne/Smyrna/Murfreesboro areas
09:20 <@Shadow404> heh, commuter bus ftw
09:21 <@Shadow404> been at 3/4 a tank for 2 weeks
09:26  * aestetix hugs Dolemite
09:26 <@someninjamaster> the station down the street from me was selling $9,000 dollers worth of gas in 4 hours
09:26 <@someninjamaster> he could of sold more but he kept running out
09:26 <@aestetix> Wow.
09:27 <@aestetix> Suddenly I can no longer complain about having to pay $81 a month for my metro pass.
09:27 <@aestetix> They raised the price $3 and everyone was outraged.
09:29 <@oddball> Well, this was partly because people were filling up their cars plus any containers they could get a hold of.
09:29 <@oddball> actually, mostly due to that.
09:29 <@aestetix> So it was like a bank run.
09:29 <@oddball> yep
09:29 <@aestetix> That sucks.
09:29 <@oddball> and now people are demanding to know why the mayor and governor didn't do anything to stop it.
09:35 <@I-MOD> cause people are dumbasses and they need to learn from their mistakes?
09:37 <@oddball> yes... but given their reaction to forcasts of snow, they're not going to learn any time soon.
09:37 <@Evilpig> how is it their fault that the people are panicy and fucking stupid
09:38 <@someninjamaster> im still trying to figure out what people are doing with all that bread and milk
09:38 <@Evilpig> french toast
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09:39 <@oddball> Evilpig: stupid people like to blame other people for letting them be stupid
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09:42 <@aestetix> Ok, a friend thinks McCain is suspending his campaign to avoid press conferences, and effectively try to coast into the White House on his military experience.
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09:43 <@oddball> That might have been a half-way decent nut-job thought if he had a strong lead in the polls.
09:44 <@Dolemite> I think he's trying to save money.  heh.
09:48 <@rhia> or knows that since he's adopted a lot of Obama's ideas, debating Obama on the economy right now could torpedo him
09:51 <@rhia> or could just be he's a doddering old man who can't do two things at once anymore
09:51 <@Drag0n> he's trying to pull the "look, im working hard for you in these hard times" route to gain sympathy
09:51 <@Drag0n> its soo hard for him to push that one button for his vote to be recorded
09:52 <@rhia> well, he could call fellow senators, but his aides have to push the buttons on that newfangled strawberry thingy he carries
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09:54 <@Dolemite> No, Bush has "invited presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain to join negotiations on the rescue plan."
09:54 <@Dolemite> But I think that's more of a favor Bush is doing to McCain
09:54 <@aestetix> rhia: I don't think age has anything to do with it.
09:54 <@aestetix> Look at Ron Paul.
09:54 <@aestetix> Same age. Might be a crazy nutjob, but he can easily hold his own in a debate.
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09:55 <@Dolemite> yeah, even my grandfather, before he died at the age of 92, was a regular emailer
09:55 <@aestetix> As opposed to McCain, who needs to ask for question repeats, mumbles over basic concepts...
09:55 <@rhia> his mental age - the man is doddering ... his physical age is younger than quite a few congress critters
09:55 <@aestetix> Yes, but those critters aren't running for President.
09:55 <@aestetix> Bob Byrd comes to mind.
09:55 <@aestetix> I think the guy is in his late 80s?
09:56 <@rhia> watch McCain walk across stage or around the podium when campaigning
09:57 <@rhia> he can't remember what he said is a speech 3 hrs ago - contradicts himself almost at every stop
09:58 <@rhia> luved how they allowed access to the acres of his medical history, for 3 hrs, no photos, no scanners
09:58 <@aestetix> So much for transparency.
09:58 <@rhia> how many times has he been in the hospital in the last 4 years
09:58 <@Dolemite> he's had 4 battles with cancer
09:59 <@rhia> the man may only be 71, but he's _old_ .... unlike my granma who was still quite young at 83
10:01 <@aestetix> Don't forget the POW years.
10:01 <@rhia> i'm sure being a prisoner didn't help much, either ... but that doesn't mean i want him in office - esp backed up by Palin
10:01 <@aestetix> That would age anyone.
10:01 <@rhia> aestetix: yeah
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10:02 <@rhia> put him back in the Senate, let him continue working for the country from there
10:02 <@rhia> like Strom did
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10:03 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:03  * rhia waves at nachoguy 
10:06 <@nachoguy> ahoy Lass!
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10:17 <@aestetix> man
10:17 <@aestetix> I love my ups so much right now
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10:27 <@Shadow404> coil: diaf
10:31 <@Drag0n> http://consumerist.com/5054482/man-sues-doctors-for-amputating-penis  SFW
10:31 <@Drag0n> umm, no tip for him
10:32 <@Dolemite> there's some people that pay for that
10:32 <@Dolemite> ...   just not that guy
10:38 <@rhia> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9935876-16.html  old, but .... Bank of UnAmerica!
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10:44 <@Dolemite> heh, Bob Barr has offered to step in and debate Obama on Friday if McCain doesn't show up
10:44 < remofor1> yay for barr
10:44 <@aestetix> uh
10:45 <@aestetix> how is that in any way productive?
10:45 <@Dolemite> well he's the Libertarian Party Candidate, if I recall correctly
10:45 < remofor1> its pretty damn productive for the libertarians
10:45 <@aestetix> Oh wait.
10:45 <@Dolemite> But he's been kept out of the debates
10:45 <@aestetix> So score one for the libertarians.
10:45 < remofor1> also makes one hella counterpoint to the democrats
10:45 <@Dolemite> I'd never vote for Barr, but I think he should be allowed to participate in the debates
10:45 < remofor1> libertarians and republicans arguing just isnt as entertaining
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11:28 <@aestetix> oh nice!
11:28 <@aestetix> I didn't realize Ted Stevens was on trial
11:35 <@aestetix> Wow.
11:35 <@aestetix> Letterman is hammering into McCain
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11:50 <@nachoguy> aestetix, yeah, that happened a bit ago
11:50 <@nachoguy> eer, the Sen. Tubes thing.
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12:04 < nated0g_wrk> hey what is the name of the german rest. that is by days in stadium ?
12:05 < nated0g_wrk> gerst haus sound familiar?
12:07 < MudFlap> that's it.
12:08 < MudFlap> Woodland and Interstate drive.
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12:14 <@Drag0n> what is the deal with job recruiting being outsourced to india and being unable to understand them?
12:15 <@Shadow404> Drag0n: thats part of the interview nowadays
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12:16 <@Drag0n> how can i expect a recruiter to represent me to the company properly if i cant understand him enough to tell him what he needs to know?
12:17 <@ShadowHntr> lol
12:17 <@ShadowHntr> :/
12:18 <@Drag0n> "heelo, eye am lookeeng for a nightwork Ingineer?"
12:20 <@Drag0n> actual pronunciation form a recruiter that called me
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12:23 < remofor1> the recruiters dont care
12:24 < remofor1> you wouldnt belive the shit that robert half have sent my resume into places for
12:24 < remofor1> and ive had to go tell them NO
12:24 < M0j0-j0j0> oh, I'll interview for any position my guy sends me to
12:25 < M0j0-j0j0> if it's not what I'm looking for I'll drive the interview into the ground and they'll stop working with him
12:25 < M0j0-j0j0> but he knows that about me
12:27 < M0j0-j0j0> this one bitch interview lady asked me to "describe my perfect job" to which I replied "lets focus on if I can fill your needs for the time being"
12:28 < M0j0-j0j0> she kept pushing about what the "perfect job" would be
12:28 <@Drag0n> i dont mind that part, i get to meet new people and see new companies, but when i cant understand the recruiter enough to know what it is they are looking for, i imidiately start to distrust them
12:28 < remofor1> i just dont like to be misrepresented
12:28 < remofor1> i dont do that personally and i dont like it when recruiters do it
12:29 < M0j0-j0j0> once I had had enough and figured I didn't want to work with the pain in the ass... I told her that it would be waving to people while she polished my nob on a street corner in her home town
12:29 < remofor1> with any luck i wont need to deal with recruiters for a few years anyways
12:30 < M0j0-j0j0> I didn't get a perfect job offer
12:30 < M0j0-j0j0> and they called up my recruiter and cussed him out
12:30 < M0j0-j0j0> he lost the account and all he could ask me is why I would do that
12:30 < remofor1> haha
12:31 <@oddball> Yeah, I had a few recruiters call me up for short term contracts after I told them I was looking for something permanent.  I eventually had to tell one guy to fuck off.
12:31 <@rhia> 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.
12:32 <@Drag0n> cat + keyboard = ^^^^^^^
12:33 <@Drag0n> i actualy got one agency removed from the approved contractor list in georgia for the state of georgia for submiting me without my approval, getting me removed from consideration due to dual submition
12:33 <@oddball> wow
12:34 <@Drag0n> it helps to have friends in high places sometimes
12:35 <@oddball> I always got irritated when a company would call me up and ask if I was still interested in a job with them without saying what the job was.  If I'm looking for a job, I've plastered the entire damn city, and you think I remember everything from just your name?
12:35 <@Drag0n> i get frustrated with recruiters offering to submit without telling me who it is
12:35 <@Drag0n> how do i know i havent submited to them already
12:36 < remofor1> hehe
12:37 < remofor1> gotta love the "we cant tell you who its for" jobs
12:37 < remofor1> i always assume its for some three letter agency i need to stay away from
12:37 <@Drag0n> then i cant let you submit me
12:37 < remofor1> pretty much
12:38 <@oddball> yeah "you don't want to tell me who you are, then I don't trust you"
12:40 <@Dementia> Interesting that this conversation comes up today
12:40 <@Jagobah> O_o
12:40 <@Dementia> I just put my resume out on careerbuilder and monster last night
12:40 <@Dementia> and the recruiters have already started this morning
12:40 <@oddball> that's a good sign
12:40 <@Dementia> I hope so
12:40 <@Drag0n> the recruiters are very agressive right now for IT
12:41 <@Drag0n> i get 10-20 calls a day tues - thur
12:41 <@Dementia> I don't like headhunters, but i don't have much in the way of networking going in CHI
12:41 <@Drag0n> i get a few for chicago as well
12:41 <@Dementia> and all these job ads I see keep wanting an all-in-one person
12:42 <@Drag0n> unfortunetly, the way most companys go right now, the only real way to get a job anymore is either nepitism or recruiters
12:42 <@Dementia> "you do sql? Do you also do php/ajax/java/c++/blah blah blah blah..."
12:42 <@Dementia> "oh and you need 8 years industry experience in our industry as well"
12:43 <@oddball> yeah
12:43 <@Dementia> yeah, good luck with finding that person.
12:43 <@Drag0n> and i have no network base here in dallas
12:43 <@oddball> "oh, and we only want to pay you $12/hr"
12:43 <@Drag0n> you need 8 years or more in windows 2003 and 5 plus years in exchange 2007
12:43 <@oddball> I always love those
12:44 <@Dementia> yeah, that's great
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12:48 <@Drag0n> of course, my all time favorite was the recruiter that let slip to my wife when she took a call for a job that i was qualified for and mentioned me "If they wanted a man, i would have filled this role a long time ago!"
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12:48 <@oddball> nice!
12:49 <@Drag0n> someone had a quota to fill
12:49 <@Drag0n> sexism goes both ways
12:49 <@Dementia> Oh, here's one. PHP5, MySQL, XML, SOAP, AJAX, Javascript, HTML, CSS, installing and maintaining "LAMP stack", Smarty template engine, revision-control system, Perl, Python, C++, C#, Qmail.
12:50 <@oddball> and a partridge in a pair tree
12:50 <+MaxieZ> If someone wants you to know all that...you don't want to work there
12:50 <@brimstone> sounds like polerin's job...
12:50 <@Dementia> that's what I'm thinking, MaxieZ
12:50 < remofor1> gotta love the impossible requirements
12:50 <@brimstone> i saw a sign on campus that said they were looking for someone who knew windows 2k3 server, linux, and mac to maintain a "small group" of workstations
12:51 <@critch> MaxieZ: oddly enough, my job requires I know all but the Python and Qmail, but now I also have to know Postgres, Zimbra, Hyperic, firewalls, VMWare, Bacula, and sendmail.
12:51 <@critch> MaxieZ: ohh, and now server replication with DRBD
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12:57 <@Dementia> critch: but you don't have to design front-ends for it all
12:57 <@critch> Not like you do, but kind of.
12:58 <+MaxieZ> critch: Either you're going to be doing a jack of all trades kind of thing or be worked to death like that
12:58 <+MaxieZ> Actually, I know most of it too...but that's not the point
12:58 <@critch> a little of each
12:58 <+MaxieZ> I don't know C#
12:58 <+MaxieZ> python I've barely touched.  The rest I got
12:59 <@critch> I get worked a lot when it is required. I also get a lot of slack time too.
13:01 <+MaxieZ> My point is that a job description like that would be scary
13:02 <@coil> Shadow404, nou
13:02 <+MaxieZ> Do you know lamp?  What does that even mean...to what extent?
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13:03 < GodFix_> http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2008/09/inside_the_metro_bunker.php SFW
13:03 <+MaxieZ> Might as well ask if you kno computers
13:03 <+MaxieZ> s/kno/know/
13:03 <@critch> I know lamp, I just prefer larp better.
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13:05 <+MaxieZ> heh
13:05 <+MaxieZ> We used to have the worst interview process.
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13:05 <+MaxieZ> We'd just ask things like...have you ever compiled a kernel?  And they'd say yes.
13:05 <+MaxieZ> and my boss would be like cool.
13:05 < remofor1> so who wants to write "haha" letters to jack thompson?
13:05 <@someninjamaster> critch: do you use a communication system on your bike
13:05 <+MaxieZ> Now I grill the hell out of people
13:06 <@critch> someninjamaster: yeah, I have the J&M 2003 CB radio
13:06 <@someninjamaster> im looking for something to talk between me and my dad when we are riding
13:06 <@critch> someninjamaster: http://www.jmcorp.com/SeeProducts.asp?PF=24
13:07 <@critch> someninjamaster: that radio is a bit pricey, but it is really cool with input for your mp3 player, and a weather radio built in.
13:07 <@someninjamaster> does it have short range ability
13:07 <@critch> I think I spent just under $600 to get the radio, mounting bracket, antenna, and headset for my helmet.
13:08 <@someninjamaster> like i just need something that will work on a 100 foot radius
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13:08 <@critch> someninjamaster: ohh yeah, 100foot is nothing. We have people that can reach out nearly a mile with them, some may get further with good antennas.
13:08 <@someninjamaster> so its not like a truckers cb
13:09 <@critch> someninjamaster: You will find that there are 2 basic types of radios for bikes. CB or 900mhz.
13:09 <@critch> someninjamaster: it is a CB like truckers use. Same 40 channels.
13:09 <@critch> someninjamaster: having a CB comes in handy when stuck in traffic sometimes.
13:10 <@someninjamaster> hmm
13:10 <@critch> someninjamaster: you will also find that most cruiser style bikes come with CBs. Goldwings and Valkeries have them as options.
13:10 <@rhia> GodFix: hehehe
13:10 <@critch> someninjamaster: sport bikers seem to go with the 900mhz systems
13:11 <@GodFix> rhia: yeah, that was an awesome video
13:12 <@someninjamaster> me and my dad ride mainly just through the hills
13:12 <@someninjamaster> so im thinking a 900mhz would be best for us
13:12 <@critch> someninjamaster: Yeah, but when your bike is equipped like that, when you are by yourself it is helpful.
13:13 <@critch> someninjamaster: the 900mhz systems are usually battery powered and either clip to your helmet or your belt. They also seem to mainly be meant for fullface helmets.
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13:13 <@critch> Kind of sucks if your batteries go dead on a ride.
13:13 <@someninjamaster> yeah
13:13 <@someninjamaster> but im on a dual sport so a 1 hour drive is about the longest we do
13:14 <@critch> someninjamaster: you have seen mine right?
13:14 <@someninjamaster> yeah
13:14 <@critch> I have done all day rides no trouble. I ride to and from work all the time.
13:15 <@critch> I now have 3 nearly identical mp3 players I can plug in at will to have music. I sometimes even carry the gear to recharge the mp3 player while riding.
13:15 <@critch> Also who knows when you might get interested in going riding with a bigger group.
13:16 <@someninjamaster> does the one you have use batteries
13:16 <@critch> nope, wired into the bike electricals.
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13:17 <@someninjamaster> hmm
13:17 <@someninjamaster> how much power does it pull
13:18 <@critch> install was pretty simple. The head unit has 2 wires, one is the antenna coax, the other is the power and headset lines. They go down a decent length so you can hide the boot that covers the connectors. Then you have a wire that hooks up and goes to wherever you want your headset port to be. The other goes to a filter and fuse block before being hooked into your power.
13:18 <@critch> Not much over all. I didn't measure it.
13:19 <@someninjamaster> im worried ill rip one off that attaches to the handlebars
13:19 <@someninjamaster> when im riding trails
13:20 <@critch> It mounts via the bolts to the clutch, or you buy a simple peice that attaches like a u bolt and it bolts to that. Could be easily removed if you felt like it.
13:40 <@coil> http://www.keepbusy.net/play.php?id=dont-use-a-lighter-to-check-your-fuel-tank
13:41 <@rhia> http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre48o5aj-us-financial-bailout-franknews/
13:41 <@rhia> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=181463
13:44 <@critch> The only suggestion I saw that made sense for the bailout was to subsidize the american owner occupied housing mortgages. It would allow those going to be paying for the bailout to directly benefit by either keeping their home, or their neighbors home maintains value and therefore yours does too. That also stops the meltdown, and continues as it would have without soo many foreclosures.
13:45  * Catonic phases into "existance"
13:45 <@Catonic> ok, so who's up for a riot in November if we have more election foolishness in Florida?
13:46 <@critch> I think we need to pla on Florida, Ohio, and possibly a few other states.
13:46 <@Drag0n> it wont be in florida
13:46 <@rhia> they just lost a buncha ballots last month or so, then found more than they lost
13:47 <@oddball> Before you plan riots, you might want to check this out: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
13:47 <@rhia> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=181643 is rather interesting as well
13:47 <@oddball> The Army is preparing to put down civil unrest in the US.
13:48 <@coil> US is fucked?
13:49 <@Catonic> Thank you for bringing that up, I was about to.
13:49 <@Catonic> Posse Commitaus is dead.
13:49 <@Catonic> Jello Biafra thought he was kidding with those rants.
13:50 <@Dementia> oddball: can you translate that article into layman's terms for the rest of us? I mean, haven't we already got people here in the states doing the same thing?
13:50 <@Catonic> Welcome to the National-Socialist Republic of America.
13:51 <@aestetix> Who is John Galt?
13:51 <@aestetix> Who killed Laura Palmer?
13:51 <@oddball> Dementia: there's a big difference between having civilian police forces prepping for it and a full blown military force doing it.
13:53 <@oddball> In theory, the ideal for police (including SWAT) is for them to capture criminals with as little force as possible while protecting the general public.  The ideal for military personel is to neutralize the enemy.
13:53 <@Dementia> so... this is a totally new thing? There were no "homeland missions" before this?
13:53 <@critch> has anyone found out what specifically the guberment is supposedly buying in the bailout as currently proposed?
13:53 <@oddball> no premeditated
13:53 <@Dementia> critch: it's still in negotiations
13:53 <@Dementia> oddball: I see
13:54 <@rhia> Dementia: NG has been pulled for assistance, but this is full blown army assigned command and control
13:54 <@oddball> there have been instances when military forces have been brought in, but those have been "holy shit" emergency situations (i.e. Katrina aftermath)
13:55 <@oddball> Sorry, forgot to mention when there was contention between state and federal governments (a hand full of incidents during the 60's and the Civil War)
13:55 <@rhia> critch: the joint committee handed over their idea to the treasury, the fine details from that should get hammered out, then it should go up for a vote
13:56 <@rhia> oddball: like Kent State
13:56 <@oddball> well, as you said, that was National Gaurd, which isn't quite the same as active duty.
13:56 <@rhia> exactly
13:56 <@someninjamaster> those were the good ole days
13:57 <@someninjamaster> back when you could rely on the goverment to take out the hippies
13:57 <@critch> basically what I was wondering about, some of the things I understand being on the block to buy are essentially insurance policies in case a mortgage goes tits up. If so we are going to be paying off on the mortgage crisis that the banking crisis is going to make worse. Only bankers are going to be made better off by it.
13:57 <@oddball> I was thinking about the integration of Alabama schools when the governor tried to stop it, and the feds sent to army to enforce the SCOTUS ruling.
13:58 <@rhia> yeah
13:58 <@Drag0n> national guard reports to the state govenor before the president and as such is allowed to act in disaster relief and crowd control, the reserves and active military is precluded from action against citizens
13:58 <@oddball> right
13:58 <@Drag0n> this situation is a further erosion of that protection
13:58 <@rhia> but that was different from this
13:59 <@Drag0n> if anything, they should have brought the national guard home from iraq, not the active military
13:59 <@Drag0n> in fact, the national guard should NEVER have gone to iraq
13:59 <@oddball> This is on top of the normal rotation.  They were scheduled to come back anyways.
14:01 <@oddball> Drag0n: unfortunately, due to the massive cutting of the military during the Clinton era, there are sections of the active duty military that can't properly operate without support from the gaurd.
14:01 <@someninjamaster> but isnt everyone in the national guard an army reservist
14:01 <@oddball> different classification
14:01 <@Drag0n> then, correct that problem and return the guard to their porper posts
14:02 <@Drag0n> proper
14:02 <@Drag0n> no, the guard and reserve are two seperate arms
14:02 <@rhia> and being involved in wars on two fronts, one grossly unpopular, is not exactly the way to increase the regular military numbers or effectively use the troops we do have
14:02 <@Drag0n> the reserve is supposed to suport the active military, the national guard is supposed to guard the nation
14:02 <@oddball> this is true.
14:04 <@oddball> Of course, part of the problem is that a majority of america thinks we've won and left Afganastan.
14:04 <@Dolemite> they also think Saddam planned 9/11
14:05 <@brimstone> why would we stay over there if we've won?
14:06 <@oddball> we're still in Germany and Japan.
14:06 <@rhia> http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/n19530660-iraq-lights/  the surge working
14:13 <@someninjamaster> and cuba
14:13 <@someninjamaster> we are still every place we have ever gone
14:14 <@Dementia> we're not in vietnam.
14:22 <@critch> we are still in Korea
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14:35 <@rhia> USA, the proverbial bad penny, we show up everywhere ;)
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14:59 <@critch> Well, we tested DRBD and NFS here. Liked it. Now I put the machines in the rack as ready to start the planning of the move to them.
15:00 <@critch> Of course as soon as I did that, I realized that I hadn't yet planned for our backup software yet. It so far seems to be fairly strait forward to get the backup software happy too.
15:00 <@NotLarry> Anyone know anyone who does powder painting (I think that is what it is called)
15:01 <@Dolemite> you mean sand paintings?
15:03 <@rhia> powder coating metal
15:03 <@rhia> ?
15:04 <@Drag0n> painting while on cocaine?
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15:07 <@NotLarry> roger roger
15:07 <@NotLarry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating
15:08 <@critch> Depending on the size of the object, you can do it at home in your oven with parts found at Harbor Freight, or otherwise you go and have it done at a shop.
15:08 <@aestetix> check out www.twitter.com
15:09 <@critch> twitter sucks
15:09 <@aestetix> look at it
15:09 <@aestetix> someone fucked up
15:09 <@aestetix> $50 to the first person who can solve the riddle :)
15:09 <@critch> I did, log in for production employees only
15:09 <@critch> err, production-staging
15:12 <@NotLarry> critch: I don't think I can get the frame in shadowmoss's overn
15:13 <@NotLarry> oven even
15:13 <@NotLarry> and NO that is not a metephor for anything
15:13 <@critch> hence the comment on size
15:13 <@Dagmar> note: if you attempt to breathe in tobasco fumes, it's important that the hand holding the tobasco BE A STEADY ONE
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15:19 <@NotLarry> Guess I could do the gas tank and the fenders.  maybe the handlebars and the pipes as well
15:21 <@critch> By the time you are paying for one part to be done, you might as well get them all done. Color matching will be better and you don't disk ruining the oven.
15:21 <@critch> Also if you are going to be doing your pipes, you are going to need some really good powder to not melt afterwords.
15:22 <@brimstone> http://status.twitter.com/post/51758034/prompted-for-login-on-twitter-com
15:23 <@coil> oh noes
15:27 <@SkyDog_> NotLarry: um, i need to speak to you about the root warz. when does your contest start?
15:27 <@SkyDog_> i need to update the webpage.
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15:41 <@NotLarry> SkyDog_: I will give you the details in murray tomorrow night
15:42 <@SkyDog_> I will not be in murray until sat afternoon.
15:42 <@NotLarry> SkyDog_: I wrote them on some wood in Evilpig's back yard.  Don't remember which one, we may have to move some fencing material to find it
15:46 <@sdodson> Twitter sucks, why do you use it? I don't understand the value of twitter.
15:47 <@tzanger> I'm using yammer to log some stuff internally for my busiuness
15:48 <@tzanger> eventually I'd just write my own app/im client and keep it internal
15:48 <@tzanger> but it's a nice fast way to just say "got a call from so-and-so" or to add todos and shit
15:52 <@sdodson> so as a simple message bus?
15:56 <@brimstone> beep beep
15:56 <@tzanger> sdodson: pretty much, yes
15:56 <@sdodson> brimstone: meep?
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16:02 <@GodFix> SFW Kinda http://current.com/items/89337913_diesel_sfw_xxx_fashion_firm_makes_cheeky_sfw_porn_ad
16:05 < M0j0-j0j0> I'd say that in most cases that's not SFW
16:07 < M0j0-j0j0> funny... but not what I would want someone who didn't know my company coming in and seeing on a monitor
16:08 <@someninjamaster> indeed
16:09 <@someninjamaster> funny as hell but nsfw
16:14 <@NotLarry> anyone use gftp?
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16:20 <@sdodson> NotLarry: no
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16:40 <@SkyDog_> GodFix: I am in class, and were it not for the woman behind me, I'd watch all of it. I am laughing my ass off.
16:41 <@GodFix> SkyDog_: I have a woman behind me, and I watched it, with sound
16:42 <+MaxieZ> I watched it
16:46 <@Evilpig> remember SkyDog_ the earlier on saturday you can do it the better
16:46 <@Evilpig> theyw ill be running out of bbq quickly 
16:46 <@ladymerlin> mmm bbq
16:47 <@Evilpig> i'm headed to the butcher shop here soon to get steaks
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16:58 <@brimstone> ug, if it wasn't on a wednesday
16:58 <@freakn> there may be a webfeed like last year, I am not sure yet
16:59 <@freakn> I probably should know, but I don't care yet
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18:14 <@NotLarry> damn, cafepress won't print my hoodies:(
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18:30 <@coil> http://palinsarmy.ytmnd.com it sucks not having sound
18:30 <@coil> on the internet
18:31 <@coil> i miss out on a lot of things
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18:34 < eryc> http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/choke/
18:34 <@coil> thanks for that spam
18:34 <@coil> ill be sure to bookmark that under "dont care"
18:37 < eryc> it looks like a good movie fucktool
18:38 < eryc> vs palinsarmy bs that i posted like a month ago
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18:48 < eryc> http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=7244
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18:50 <@Evilpig> either the motherboard or the ram in my windows 2003 server is horked.  every couple of months one fo the files on the hard drive gets borked so it won't boot.
18:50 < eryc> make sure the turbo button is on
18:55 < eryc> http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=fe3e21a8-49f1-4cec-9ba5-cfe372fa6572&vxChannel=PostTopFilmStrip&vxClipId=1458_385679&vxBitrate=300
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19:09 < AstralSin> ubnt.com/products/sr71c.php
19:10 < AstralSin> 50km+ outdoor range
19:22 <@sdodson> ubnt.com is too close to ubuntu so i'm not visiting that link
19:24 <@tcstool> sdodson:  Good call
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19:30 <@sdodson> shhh don't say anything!
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19:31 <@RyanHouse> evening folks
19:34 <@sdodson> wow, chrome does interesting things when you search for things
19:45 < eryc> you know they use ubuntu at google dont you
19:45 < eryc> maybe you should stop using google?
19:45 <@RyanHouse> chrome sucks when it comes to bookmark management atm imho
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19:50 <@sdodson> eryc: ok, thanks for the tip.
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20:07 <@NotLarry> anyone here on comcast?
20:07 <@RyanHouse> yup
20:09 <@NotLarry> lets see, order chinese or masterbate?
20:09 <@ShadowHntr> ROFL
20:10 <@rhia> why is that an 'or' question?
20:10 <@brimstone> and how does that deal with comcast?
20:11 <@RyanHouse> heh.....choices choices
20:11 <@ShadowHntr> hahaha
20:11 <@ShadowHntr> you got me
20:11 <@sdodson> Well, after eating chinese I doubt you'll want to do that. So if it's not an or question it atleast requires consideration as to the order of events.
20:12 <@rhia> order chinese .... gotta pass the time waiting on delivery somehow
20:13 <@sdodson> I've never oredered chinese.
20:13 < AstralSin> fuck, i don't have an extra sata data cable for my new hard drive
20:13 <@rhia> that's what the question was ... sigh
20:18 <@sdodson> yay new harddrive
20:18 <@sdodson> s
20:19 <@NotLarry> rhia: Thanks!
20:19 < AstralSin> OR a power adapter
20:19 < AstralSin> damnit!
20:26 < eryc> http://www.socialbrowse.com/
20:26 < eryc> check out the title in the screenshot
20:26 < eryc> vs the url and favicon
20:26 < eryc> vs the content
20:28 <@Dagmar> They're going to get sued and shut down.
20:28 <@Dagmar> They would be the *fourth* such company
20:28 <@Dagmar> Basically, you can't go into a court with a system that basically annotates other people's content without their permission and survive.
20:31 <@NotLarry> damn it, not only have people been eating my food and playing with my guitar, now the chinese menu is missing
20:31 < AstralSin> shit, anyone know a brick+mortar store that would have a molex-sata power adapter?
20:31 < eryc> thats not fair use?
20:31 < eryc> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080911/ANSWERMAN/809119984/1023
20:32 <@NotLarry> SkyDog_: you still on?
20:32 <@NotLarry> Sweet, now that he's gone we can talk.
20:33 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: where is my blue storage bin that was on the back porch?
20:33 < eryc> http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/dn14805-science-visualised
20:34 < eryc> check out #3
20:36 <@Dagmar> eryc: "Fair use" does not mean "I think it's fair if I use it"
20:37 < eryc> Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered .fair,. such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.
20:38 <@Dagmar> Three others have failed.
20:38 <@Dagmar> Notably, what they're doing +isn't+ "reproduction".
20:38 <@Dagmar> It's pretty identical to "framing" someone else's content.
20:38 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: in one of the storage rooms
20:38 < eryc> ya the framing is most likely their downfall i'd agree
20:39 < eryc> but if its a ff plugin it seems no worse than google translate or a feedreader in the sidebar
20:39 <@Dagmar> Translation does not add content.
20:40 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: probably the one where I've been keeping the tools, but it may be the one in the back where I have the "volunteers" staying.
20:42 <@Evilpig> pretty sure my box of quart sized bags is still in there and I couldn't find them
20:42 <@Evilpig> made marinading steak difficult
20:42 <@Evilpig> if they turn out poorly i'll tell skydog it's your fault
20:52 <@ladymerlin> lol
20:55  * eryc celebrates
21:02 <@Evilpig> I should go up to the office and burn disc one of 2003 again and fix that damned server tonight
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21:10 < eryc> sdodson found out freenode used ubuntu
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21:33 <@dc0de> evenin' all.
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21:40 < dasunt> Woopsie.
21:40 < dasunt> Got drunk.
21:42 <@brimstone> common problem these days
21:42 < dasunt> Yep.
21:43 < dasunt> Ennui's still around as well.
21:43 < eryc> you could be more drunk methinks
21:43 < dasunt> I'm trying.
21:44 < eryc> your typing is still at high accuracy
21:44 < eryc> its only when you start pulling in keys from across the keyboard that we know you're wasted
21:45 < eryc> ive been planning that level of drunkeness all week
21:46 < eryc> only now its gonna rain all weekend and im reading a grails book
21:46 < eryc> mission: fail
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22:14 < dasunt> eryc: I type better drunk than most people do sober.
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22:45 <@ShadowHntr> lol
22:45 <@ShadowHntr> i'm getting pretty good at typing one handed
22:46 < eryc> fap fap unf unf
23:04 < dasunt> Someone *has* to do this:  http://xkcd.com/
23:16 <@Dementia> lol
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