--- Log opened Tue Sep 23 00:00:28 2008
00:01 <@someninjamaster> wootoff
00:07 <@sasquatc4> damn, and the first one is a goodun
00:29 < DigitalIrony> how much is the PN pass
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01:24 < Falun_lt> DigitalIrony: $25 iirc
01:25 < DigitalIrony> per day or the weekend
01:28 < Falun_lt> er, for the weekend
01:28 < Falun_lt> it's on the website
01:33 < DigitalIrony> I didn't see it sorry
02:03 < Falun_lt> no worries, I just couldn't remember off the top of my head
02:14 < DigitalIrony> When i was in school I remember using this cisco simulator in windows mind you that had a gui and would let you drag down different cisco routers and choose the model you wanted, and then drag down host swarms and let you drag connections between all the routers and host swarms. Is there anything like that for linux or was it only for windows? if not what are some good simulators for linux?
02:32 <+eryc> DigitalIrony: ya theres a cross platform one
02:32 <+eryc> gimme a sec i'll find it
02:32 <@timoguin> Anyone know how to move a window to another desktop on OS X?
02:33 <+eryc> DigitalIrony: http://tinyurl.com/2q9j9y
02:35 < DigitalIrony> eryc: thanks....now where to find that pesky ios
02:35 < DigitalIrony> :P
02:36 < DigitalIrony> awe thats uncalled for
02:36 < DigitalIrony> asshat
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05:35 < TheLightCosine> any SQL gurus awake in here?
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07:31 < Shadow404> dammit, gonna kill this new guy. Fucked up another simple install.
07:32 <@coil> oh kill me first
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07:40 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:41 <@Dolemite> Oh, and c0ckg0blins.  Can't leave Shadow404 out.
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07:43 <@Dolemite> hrmmm...   $21 for a 5 port gigabit switch...   not bad.  I could upgrade the switch in my attic...
07:45  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:46  * Dolemite shits in aestetix' mouth
07:46 <@aestetix> Is this love candy?
07:49 <@SkyDog_> Morning.
07:49 <@Dolemite> w00f
07:56 <@rattle> Morning..
08:00 <@aestetix> Man
08:00 <@aestetix> Ikea looks pretty, but the quality is shit.
08:00  * aestetix just installed a new Ikea desk
08:00 <@brimstone> Ikea is swedish for plasterboard
08:13 < Shadow404> ikea is short for I kill everyone around
08:14 <@coil> ikead a spell checker
08:14 < Shadow404> so just spent the last 2 hours re running a fiber cable and showing this dumbass fresh of college, proper cable management techniques
08:14 < Shadow404> *out of
08:15 < Shadow404> i mean, he has a solid understanding, he's just lacking common sense or an ability to copy whats obviously been done before his run
08:15 <@coil> deja vu Shadow404
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08:16 < Shadow404> coil: explain
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08:17 <@coil> i remember you talking about schooling the noobs before
08:18 < Shadow404> yeah, well, he reminds me of ware
08:19 <@coil> in what way
08:22 < Shadow404> super huge ego, i mean, he has intelligence, just not sure how to apply it correctly.
08:22 <@Dolemite> hrmm, reminds me of Shadow404
08:22 < Shadow404> yep, i do see alot of myself in him when i started here
08:23 < Shadow404> which is why i was selected to manage him on my team
08:24 <@coil> what
08:24 < Shadow404> coil: can you elaborate on what you are asking about?
08:25  * aestetix takes a tequilla shot
08:25 <@coil> manange your self on your team?
08:26 <@coil> aestetix, it's a bit early for that
08:26 <@coil> early/late
08:27 <@aestetix> coil: it's never too early
08:30 < Shadow404> coil: i manage the new guy
08:31 < Shadow404> and 4 others
08:32 < Shadow404> oh cool shit, xo is gonna show us the tunnels they use to run fiber under the city as part of a partner tour
08:34 <@Dolemite> sweet, maybe you'll trip and die!
08:34 <@brimstone> get hit with a stray proton
08:34 < Shadow404> awesome, just make sure coil diaf after i die
08:35 < Shadow404> brimstone: this isnt sweeden
08:35 <@coil> k i can count on that
08:35 < Shadow404> *sweden
08:37 <@coil> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeden
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08:45 <@coil> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26839318 could someone lend her a hand
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08:53 <@I-MOD> coil, nice
08:54 <@I-MOD> hmmm...evolution at work
09:02 <@tzanger> jesus
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09:02 <@tzanger> that's not evolution, that's an accident
09:02 <@tzanger> the girl's six years old for fuck sakes
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09:04 <@Drag0n> evolution covers all ages, also, the lack of intelligence of the parent
09:05 < Shadow404> it also covers coil diaf
09:05 <@tzanger> evolution does nothing if the parent has reproduced (which by definition, has)
09:06 <@tzanger> I take it you've never had children if you believe that parents can be eternally vigilant for this kind of behaviour
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09:08 <@Drag0n> some things can be covered, and evolution does cover it if the offspring never reach adult hood. but i do consider this a tragic accident, just making an observation on evolution
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09:26 <@Neoteric> if anyone wants a beetle for sale cheap: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/ctd/849538662.html
09:26 <@coil> dc
09:27 <@Neoteric> and?
09:27 <@Neoteric> I'll drive it down to you.
09:27 <@coil> that's like 2000 miles away
09:27 <@coil> gls=diesel?
09:35 <@rhia> seemingly fun to drive - but selling b/c you DO want to maintain two cars? ;)
09:37 <@aestetix> is anyone here going to phreaknic?
09:37 <@someninjamaster> im not
09:43 <@Neoteric> Im not
09:43 <@Neoteric> wait. that's a lie
09:43 <@Neoteric> I am but I won't be happy about it.
09:44 <@Neoteric> no, that doesn't sound quite right.
09:45  * I-MOD plans to be there
09:45 <@Neoteric> I am going to phreaknic but will not be participating in any white-people lunacy. just hookers and blow.
09:45 < Shadow404> Neoteric: good man
09:46 <@Neoteric> honesty is a policy.
09:47 <@Drag0n> so, your going on the republican plan?
09:47 <@Drag0n> just stay out of the airport mens room
09:49 <@nachoguy> if you go in, don't be a toe tapper
09:54 <@nachoguy> so, both ATL and BNA are out of gas, according to the intarwebs.  Is that what you guys are seeing down there, or is this over hyped?
09:58 <@Neoteric> nachoguy: what do you mean out of gas?
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09:59 <@nachoguy> that gas stations are dry.  There were rumors that they were going to run out of gas, so everyone got in their cars, got in line, and made it a reality
09:59 <@Mirage> nachoguy: the hype is compounding the problem.
10:00 <@Drag0n> someone spill a truckload of bean-o in the city water supply?
10:00 <@nachoguy> apparently last Friday in Nashvegas, they sold more gas than they usually do during a 3 day holiday weekend
10:01 < MudFlap> Just wait till they announce snow coming.  No bread or milk either.
10:01 <@Drag0n> nah, they dont know what snow is in atlanta
10:02 <@rhia> just some freaky white fluff that sneaks in every couple years that ties us the phones systems
10:03 <@rhia> "look outside!""what happened to the ground?!"
10:06 <@rhia> up .... need more coffee
10:09 <@ShadowHntr> nachoguy: yeah, i'm really annoyed about those people that cause those self-fulfilling prophecies
10:09 <@ShadowHntr> :P
10:10 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Some gas stations are out of gas, while others still have it.  We're not out of gas, we're simply not able to fill the tanks of every gas station on every deity-damned corner.
10:12 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, well, that's the sort of thing that they fail to mention in news stories
10:14 <@Dolemite> There are two big chains here that are out of gas - Daily's Market (one on every fucking corner) and MAPCO Express.  Neither has had a steady stream of gas for over a week.
10:14 <@Dolemite> The Home Depot and Kroger gas stations were out for maybe a day, and the truck stops all have gas, too.
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10:22 <@rhia> http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2008_09_22.html#015880
10:23 <@someninjamaster> Dolemite: goodlettsville is bone fucking dry
10:23 <@someninjamaster> all 8 of the major stations are out of gas
10:23 <@Dolemite> sucks to live there
10:24 <@someninjamaster> well
10:24 <@someninjamaster> only when theres no gas
10:25 <@Drag0n> well, thats the great thing about smaller towns, the are definitely cheaper....no worry of wasting your money on useless things....like GAS!!!!
10:26 <@Dolemite> things should be back to normal in another day or two
10:26 <@someninjamaster> i had to crack into the reserves at home
10:27 <@Drag0n> unless another newspapwe runs a gas shortage article by then
10:27 <@someninjamaster> i only have like 500 miles worth of gas for my bike
10:27 <@brimstone> you should move down to 256
10:27 <@brimstone> we have plenty of gas
10:27 <@brimstone> we give gas away with purchase of a combo meal
10:27 <@Drag0n> we have plenty down here in dallas
10:27 <@someninjamaster> but then i would have to leave the hc
10:28 <@Drag0n> brim, different type of gas
10:28 <@coil> hat combo meal
10:28 <@coil> what*
10:28 <@someninjamaster> and theres no worthwhile hacker groups in 256 ;)
10:29 <@aestetix> what about 1024
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10:37 <@oddball> well, that was a "fun" meeting.
10:37 <@aestetix> Now this is an interesting case.
10:37 <@aestetix> Student gets suspended for making a fake myspace profile insulting their teacher.
10:37 <@aestetix> Student sues school for violating freedom of speech.
10:37  * oddball just got done teaming up with his boss and the company's VP in chewing out their data provider.
10:38 <@oddball> aestetix: I was thinking that that site included him claiming that the teacher was a pedophile.
10:38 <@aestetix> It did.
10:39 <@Dolemite> s/teacher/principal/g   (as I recall it)
10:39 <@oddball> which is libel.
10:39 <@aestetix> If I draw a sketch in my notebook that is in my desk, of the teacher being a pedophile.... and a teacher discovers it... should I get suspended?
10:39 <@aestetix> I'd say the student deserves a talking to... but not suspension.
10:39 <@oddball> and specifically serious to someone in education.
10:39 <@aestetix> Whereas in this case.
10:39 <@aestetix> It's public and available to everyone.
10:39 <@Dolemite> It was published to the web
10:40 <@aestetix> Dolemite: exactly.
10:40 <@oddball> What he wrote, if taken seriously, could end the guys career.
10:40 <@aestetix> The point I'm trying to make
10:40 <@Dolemite> If you publish something that is untrue, you are subject to libel.
10:40 <@aestetix> Is that I wonder whether the student realizes how serious the difference between jottings in a notebook and putting something on the web is.
10:40 <@aestetix> Dolemite: right.
10:40 <@Dolemite> Most students today don't make that delineation.
10:41 <@Dolemite> damn whipper snappers!
10:41 <@aestetix> That's really dangerous.
10:41 <@oddball> Whether he realized it or not, what he did was serious.  I think the suspension is valid.
10:41 <@aestetix> oddball: I agree.
10:42 <@aestetix> My question is, how can one make the students realize how serious it is.
10:42 <@Dolemite> I think a suspension is definitely in order.  Sure, it'll go down on their "permanent record", but let's face it, nobody outside of high school ever looks at your permanent record.
10:42 <@aestetix> If someone did that to me, I'd be crying for blood.
10:42 <@Dolemite> But the severity of the libel deserves more than just a stern talking to.
10:42 <@aestetix> Dolemite: I dunno. myspacebook is kind of turning into a permanent record.
10:42 <@Dolemite> The student is lucky that they're not being sued.
10:43 <@Dolemite> aestetix : Which is what makes the allegation even more serious.
10:43 <@oddball> aestetix: you said that he should just get a stern talking to.
10:44 <@aestetix> No.
10:44 <@aestetix> I said that a student jotting something in their notebook should get a stern talking to.
10:44 <@oddball> ah, ok.  misread
10:44 <@aestetix> Then I said "whereas" when referring to the website
10:44 <@Dolemite> aestetix : The way that you broke up your lines made that unclear.
10:44 <@Dolemite> I was thinking the same as Oddball
10:44 <@aestetix> Oh.
10:45 <@aestetix> That explains why you were trying to correct me :p
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10:46 <@aestetix> hey
10:46 <@aestetix> someone try to visit hope.openamd.org
10:46 <@aestetix> what do you see
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10:47 <@coil> The AMD project at The Last HOPE was a great success. We encountered a few expected problems and a few unexpected ones, but overall things ran very smoothly. Special thanks to Milosch and Brit
10:48 <@aestetix> awesome!
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11:41 <@critch> aestetix: did you screw up your DNS records? hope.openamd.org cname www.openamd.org and www.openamd.org cname itself.
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11:58 <@Jagobah> so I scrolled up from days of scrollback
11:58 <@Jagobah> and I've beaten this game http://www.kontraband.com/videos/12416/The-Hardest-Game-EVER/#show/
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12:33 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : You didn't have the quest to get the pony!@?$
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13:40 <@ziplock> ping SkyDog_
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13:54 <@Dagmar> This is just too good (but will only make sense for Nashvillians): http://www.bubbleply.com/player.aspx?pid=35c56117-9bea-4ada-9430-921542072a89
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14:01 <@Evilpig> no.  apparently I missed a step somewhere.  so I have to do that an go in again
14:01 <@Evilpig> not like a big deal you still have the shit and so does heather on her lock
14:02 <@Evilpig> gotta run now
14:03 <@Dolemite> yeah I have the stuff to do it again
14:03 <@Dolemite> I have a quest to turn in there that I picked up last night
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14:06 < eryc> wassup bitches!
14:06 <@scoil> nm
14:09 <@sdodson> eryc: zomg
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14:17 <@Neoteric> how do I get to the postgres console? I completely forgot. it's not pg_ctl
14:19 < eryc> psql
14:19 < eryc> sdodson: rick roll!
14:22 <@ShadowHntr> is it *really* this difficult to find a scsi hard disk for an IBM pSeries?
14:22 <@ShadowHntr> :P
14:23 <@critch> what is special about it?
14:23 <@ShadowHntr> nothing that i can tell
14:23 <@ShadowHntr> i'm crawling through service manuals searching for fru numbers
14:23 <@critch> Ram Micro on elmhill has scsi disks in stock.
14:23 <@ShadowHntr> do they have pSeries drive caddies as well?
14:23 <@critch> don't know, call them
14:23 <@ShadowHntr> i'll call em
14:23 < eryc> dont you have a caddy already?
14:24 < eryc> you cant reuse the existing caddy?
14:24 <@ShadowHntr> didn't come with any
14:25 <@ShadowHntr> drives were pulled
14:25 <@ShadowHntr> they only carry supermicro stuff
14:25 <@ShadowHntr> :(
14:25 <@ShadowHntr> i appreciate the info though
14:25 <@ShadowHntr> :)
14:25 < eryc> ah.. ebay!!!
14:26 <@sdodson> Neoteric: psql
14:26 <@ShadowHntr> i've been trying to find one on ebay for less than 200 dollars :P
14:27 <@Neoteric> > error: "Success" reading key "dev.parport.parport0.autoprobe"
14:27 <@Neoteric> I love that...
14:32 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: Stop inviting me to be your friend on facebook if you're going to continue inviting me to stupid groups.
14:33 <@sdodson> That is all. Thanks.
14:38 < Shadow404> dear ShadowHntr: pls never invite me on facebook. That is all. Thanks.
14:39 <@ShadowHntr> the first time was sufficient, k?
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14:40 < eryc> haha you guys are dicks
14:40 < Shadow404> heh, yep
14:41 <@SkyDog_> ziplock: Pong
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14:43 <@ziplock> SkyDog_  PM if you have time
14:46 <@SkyDog_> Shadowhntr has yet to pay the people he owes, but is buying bullshit stuff for old hardware he has bought...
14:46 <@SkyDog_> Fuck him, don't help him until he pays back the people that helped him when he needed it.
14:47 < Shadow404> so greenlight on pissing him off like above?
14:47  * Mirage starts humming 'Can't you feel the love' by Elton John
14:47 <@SkyDog_> No, piss him off if you want to...
14:47 < Shadow404> Mirage: the scary part is that is the song your listening to atm
14:47 < Shadow404> SkyDog_: done
14:47  * Dolemite has to look away from Mirage due to all of the rhinestones on his suit.
14:47  * Shadow404 hopes Dolemite is being sarcastic
14:47 <@SkyDog_> But he keeps asking for parts and help in getting something going, but does not do what he's supposed to do.
14:48 <@Mirage> Shadow404: Actually I haven't fired up winamp yet today
14:48 < Shadow404> i have, di.fm ftw
14:49 <@I-MOD> di.fm is definitely made of win
14:49 < Shadow404> coolest part of it i think, is if i have good cell signal, i can stream it via the cell phone streams
14:49 < eryc> diaf is made of more win
14:49 <@brimstone> there's several good online radios out there
14:49 < Shadow404> eryc: right on, so coil DIAF
14:50 <@coil> i said it first
14:50 < Shadow404> brimstone: di.fm > radio.*
14:50 <@coil> it is copywrite coil
14:50 < Shadow404> coil: diaf
14:50 <@coil> that will be $100,000 please
14:50 < Shadow404> coil: "copyright"
14:50 < Shadow404> learn to use the correct form of the word first
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14:51 < Shadow404> haha, good point Dolemite
14:51  * Catonic pulls out a ruler
14:52 <@Catonic> Ok, dick measuring contest and since we know no one wants to see them, Corydon is the judge. Please form an orderly line.
14:53  * Shadow404 stabs Catonic in the eye with the ruler
14:54  * Catonic feels the love and it feels... familiar.
14:55 < Shadow404> like being stabbed in the back?
14:55 < Shadow404> yeah, been there, dont that, got the t-shirt
14:58 <@Catonic> seems like i've been here before, seems so familiar... like a dream within a dream
15:07 <@Jagobah> ;0
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15:22 <@Catonic> ShadowHntr: pay people back or no more junk hardwares for j00!
15:23 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic: this shit has been free, and actually that's on my mind. however, i am getting paid end of the week.
15:23 <@Catonic> hey ShadowHntr, you want a dec multia or two? :-p
15:23 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
15:23 <@ShadowHntr> nah
15:23 <@Catonic> feck.
15:24 <@Catonic> that means I need to get on the Classic Computing mailing list and offer the box up
15:24 <@Catonic> and they are a -chatty- bunch.
15:24 < Shadow404> ShadowHntr: havent you said that before?
15:24 < Shadow404> but never seeem to pay people back
15:24 <@Mirage> Ran into Rimboy at lunch.  He was extremely non-commital on PN.. It'd be cool to have him show up again.  I think the last one he attended was 6 or maybe 7
15:25 <@Catonic> wow, how's he doing?
15:25 <@ShadowHntr> Shadow404: yeah, i have, and i'm trying to put my money where my mouth is.
15:25 < Shadow404> ill be impressed when you do and then i will accept your friend request on facebook
15:25 <@Mirage> Still working at Vanderbilt. He was having lunch with Hammond, if you remember him from NLUG
15:25 <@Catonic> he's a hammie, we need to lock him and shadow in a room together so they can discuss having thier nuts irradiated by all the 5'6" hams
15:25 < Shadow404> lawl
15:26 < Shadow404> hey, i still need to get my general license, since there is a ham with a radio room that he will give me a key for
15:26 < Shadow404> just next door basically
15:26 < Shadow404> but he has a bunch of hf stuff
15:27 < Shadow404> but i cant be arsed to study for the general when i have to pass these management classes for work first
15:28 <@rattle> So how's that gas situation?
15:28 < Shadow404> sucks!
15:28 < Shadow404> half of the stations are empty
15:28 < Shadow404> glad i take the bus
15:30 <@Catonic> Shadow404: that's pretty awesome of him...
15:31 < Shadow404> yeah, just he made the general licese a must as its almost only hf stuff
15:31 < Shadow404> for his own protection
15:36 < nated0g_wrk> im starting to read my general as well
15:37 < nated0g_wrk> think im going to take technician and general same day
15:37 < nated0g_wrk> if i fail general ill still have my tech license
15:40 <@Catonic> Shadow404: so learn some electronics and go extra like I did...
15:41 <@Catonic> nated0g_wrk: some have gone from nothing to extra in one testing session
15:41 < nated0g_wrk> i am just reading the study guides on a dudes website
15:41 < nated0g_wrk> yeah electronics and me suck
15:41 <@Catonic> just memorize it...
15:41 < nated0g_wrk> im happy i can remember ohms law and power conversion
15:41 <@Catonic> and figure out whatyou can stand to make mistakes on.
15:42 <@Catonic> I knew electronics, and never memorized the frequency limit questions...
15:42 <@Catonic> which makes a lot of sense when you consider I'm now an extra.
15:42 < nated0g_wrk> those are all just remembering the answers that are typically on the test
15:42 <@Catonic> "Where are the band limits? Cool. *tuney-tuney-tune*"
15:42 < nated0g_wrk> extra with cw?
15:42 <@Catonic> no amateur license requires morse code at this time.
15:43 < nated0g_wrk> but you could have that extra cool letter
15:43 < nated0g_wrk> dit dat
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15:50 <@Catonic> only until it's effective
15:50 <@Catonic> "callsign-stroke-alpha-echo"
15:51 <@Catonic> and that's just bragging to your friends that you got it
15:51 <@Catonic> then they're all like "come on down to 60 meters some time and hang out."
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16:05 < eryc> http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/87034
16:05 < eryc> bonnarooooo
16:08 <@tzanger> 50 pictures
16:08 <@tzanger> and not one looker in the buch
16:08 <@tzanger> er bunch
16:10 < eryc> the first chick was cute
16:12 <@critch> holy shit, just saw an ad for a 73"
16:12 <@critch> 73" DLP tv for under $2k
16:12 <@sdodson> http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20080923/capt.cps.nrj65.230908203126.photo02.photo.default-512x341.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=QbUdzz9dLQBmO1a1vtPr_Q--
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16:44 <@nachoguy> quick question for the BNA-ers.  The wife needs a hotel that is close to the Millennium Maxwel House (2025 Rosa Parks Blvd).  Any reccomendations?
16:46 <@critch> nachoguy: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hotel+near+2025+Rosa+Parks+Blvd+nashville+tn&sll=36.158887,-86.782056&sspn=0.578778,1.348572&ie=UTF8&z=16
16:47 <@nachoguy> Critch, yeah, I could do that.  I was asking if anyone had one that they would reccommend
16:48 <@critch> Depends on definition of close. From that map, there is only one close. One kinda closem and the rest are moving on out fast.
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17:11 <@nachoguy> how's the neighborhood over there?  Much nicer than the PN neighborhood?
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17:17 <@Corydon76-lap> Afternoon...
17:17  * aestetix burps
17:18 <@Evilpig> 09/23/08 17:17:17 [W From]  <Deithial>: 1) we have no gold here, no pockets for that matter 2) ? gnome monkey island? lol
17:18 <@Evilpig> damn GM fucking with me
17:18  * Corydon76-lap is IRCing from the front of Development 101 at Astricon
17:18 <@Evilpig> can they see what you are doing?
17:18 <@Corydon76-lap> Nope
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17:18 <@Evilpig> chicken
17:19 <@Corydon76-lap> I was playing Frozen Bubble earlier, while my supervisor was sitting next to me and chuckling
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17:20 <@Corydon76-lap> and then I played a game of Risk
17:24 <@aestetix> Ok. Someone help me here.
17:24 <@aestetix> What happens if we don't bail out Wall Street?
17:25 < dasunt> Economy does something.
17:25 < dasunt> Probably bad.
17:25 < dasunt> For an unknown period of time.
17:26 <@aestetix> But the economy is fucked if we *do* bail them out.
17:26 < dasunt> See, that's what I don't get.
17:26 < dasunt> WTF happened?
17:26 <@aestetix> Do you know the details of the mortgage crisis?
17:26 < dasunt> Was it dishonest or criminal behavior by people involved?
17:26 < dasunt> Is the entire system broken?
17:26 <@rhia> dasunt: http://www.cjr.org/essay/boiler_room.php?page=all
17:26 <@aestetix> I have to hand it to Wall Street. They pulled off a brilliant heist.
17:27 <@aestetix> They fucked the world economy, sucked all the money into their own bank accounts.
17:27 < dasunt> Or is this just one of those things that just happens, and to prevent it would be more harmful than letting it happen and bailing it out every so often.
17:27 <@aestetix> And now thanks to Bush, they're getting away with it.
17:27 <@sdodson> Is running a reverse proxy intensive operation if you're not really caching?
17:27 <@rhia> http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/diamond-and-kashyap-on-the-recent-financial-upheavals/
17:28 <@rhia> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/20/bailout/index.html
17:29 <@aestetix> http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242
17:29 <@aestetix> This link is really good.
17:29 < dasunt> I'm kind of pissed.
17:29 < dasunt> My conservative blogger hasn't really commented about the mortgage crisis.
17:29 <@rhia> the cjr link is really good
17:30 < dasunt> Other than an interesting post pointing out that corporate employees/officers shouldn't be members of the board.
17:33 < dasunt> Hmmm.
17:33 < dasunt> I want to make a thinktank.
17:33 < dasunt> It's possible to have a one person think tank, right?
17:33 <@aestetix> Sure. ware is one.
17:34 < dasunt> Seriously?
17:34 <+MxZBot> seriously are they newly changed one ways?
17:34 <@Drag0n> not sure "think" would fit in that discription
17:34 < dasunt> I just want to issue press releases.  :p
17:35 <@rhia> dasunt: anyone can send out press releases, just the press doesn't always use them - or even notice
17:35 <@sdodson> aestetix: zomg TAL is so awesomz
17:35 <@aestetix> sdodson: it is.
17:36 <@sdodson> sucks that they're in reruns due to filming
17:36 < dasunt> rhia: Yah, but I'm guessing that Joe Bob's Press Release is looked at less favorably than Some Impressive Sounding Name of Institute.
17:37 <@rhia> so, make up some impressive sounding name institute
17:37 <@rhia> conspiracy nuts do it all the time
17:37 <@sdodson> Sdodson's Cock Institute definitely sounds impressive.
17:37 < dasunt> That's basically what I'm debating doing.
17:37 <@sdodson> Legendary infact.
17:37 <@Drag0n> sdodson, thats just a small group
17:37 <@aestetix> sdodson: it sounds like a gay club.
17:37 < dasunt> sdodson: I want something that's noticeable.  *zing*  :p
17:38 <@rhia> that you have a cock is a legend?
17:38 <@sdodson> oh nevermind
17:39 <@sdodson> NSFW http://howgoodisthat.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/mccainpalinjf7.jpg NSFW
17:39 <@aestetix> Is that safe for work?
17:40 < dasunt> sdodson: Palin's photoshop is totally inaccurate.  Republicans don't get fucked, they fuck others.
17:41 < dasunt> They are similar to democrats in that regards.
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17:43 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: see, that's what happens when your put your cock out there like that.
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17:44 < cerkit> so.
17:44 < cerkit> What do you guys think of this bail out plan?
17:45 <@sdodson> I can't wait, do we get free ice cream?
17:45 < cerkit> No.
17:45 < cerkit> Paulson gets to the run the world's biggest hedge fund.
17:45 < cerkit> I think we get inflation.
17:45 < cerkit> I'm not really sure.
17:46 <@sdodson> I hate hedgefunds.
17:46 < cerkit> I was curious what other people thought.
17:46 < cerkit> They published the draft they discussed today in front of Congress, in the New York Times.
17:46 <@aestetix> Hi cerkit
17:47 < cerkit> aestetix: Hey.
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17:47 < cerkit> sdodson: I think you get free ice cream if you go work for Paulson.
17:48 < cerkit> aestetix: do you have an opinion on the bail out plan discussed in Congress today?
17:48 < cerkit> Or on the discussions themselves.
17:49 <@sdodson> I don't have time for News :(
17:50 <@Catonic> I want to see more streaming TV
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17:51 < cerkit> sdodson: Thats bad, with whats going on.
17:54 <@aestetix> cerkit: from the little I've heard about it, I fucking hate it.
17:55 <@aestetix> That said, I've been carting around NYC all day and haven't had amply time to check the news.
17:56 < M0j0-j0j0> I have saving and pay my bills and live within my means.  If others don't do the same they should be sentenced to hard labor.
18:00 <@sdodson> cerkit: What action can I take baed on information provided in the news?
18:00 <@sdodson> Go sell all my stock?
18:04 <@rattle> I need to hire a sysadmin.  Anyone got referrals?
18:04 <@sdodson> Do you pay well?
18:05 <@rattle> No, not really.  Not horrible though.
18:05 <@rattle> Non-profit think-tank in downtown DC.
18:05 <@sdodson> What's the horrible range?
18:06 <@rattle> It will vary based on experience.
18:06 <@rattle> I can't actually answer the question directly...
18:08 <@rattle> Mostly LAMP.  WAN networking experience is a plus.
18:08 <@rattle> Experience with security policy management is a plus.
18:09 <@rattle> Lots of experience with monitoring systems is manditory.
18:09 <@rattle> Experience with LVS, Varnish, and Nginx would be good.
18:09 <@coil> i love lamp
18:10 <@rattle> Any Zope or Plone experience would be good too.
18:10 < M0j0-j0j0> I have two lamps in my bedroom
18:10 < M0j0-j0j0> Zope? are you coding sites in Mason?
18:10 <@rattle> No.
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18:12 < M0j0-j0j0> Mason was crap
18:12 <@rattle> It's not a senior position..  Perfect for someone with skills beyond their resume, and looking for an opportunity to prove it..
18:13 < M0j0-j0j0> it wasn't so bad to be able to do inline perl, but it was really really really slow.
18:14 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: that sounds like a company that wants a stellar employee for "it's a warm body" pricing.
18:14 <@sdodson> So I have this idea of putting a proxy in front of a few varied web app servers, each doing different tools etc. In my mind it's an advantage because I can tell people to go to http://apps/foo/function  rather than a ton of http://foo.app/function http://bar.app/function.  Any value in one over the other?
18:14 < M0j0-j0j0> (I should know.. I have one of those positions I'm trying to get filled now too)
18:15 <@rattle> M0j0-j0j0: It's a think-tank.  We have over 100% turnover.  People work here on the way to somewhere else.
18:15 <@rattle> We boil at least 100 interns a year.
18:15 < cerkit> sdodson: You don't actually have any stocks do you?
18:16 <@rattle> Actual staff positions don't come easily...
18:16 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: it's a new media company... everyone in the entire industry is working here on the way to somewhere else.
18:16 <@sdodson> cerkit: I have multiples of my anual salary invested right now.
18:16 < cerkit> Wow.
18:17 < cerkit> Just now, or, from a ways back...?
18:17 <@sdodson> From 1999 forward.
18:17 < cerkit> sdodson: How hard did it all get hit from?
18:17 < cerkit> from this*
18:17 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: yeah... I should have sold when it was at $75/share instead of investing a bunch of money... because now it's a $2
18:17 <@sdodson> I don't know, I can't remember how much it was worth a while ago.
18:19 <@sdodson> I seem to be losing several hundred dollars a day.
18:20 < cerkit> Well, from October, if you use the DOW, we're down 3,000 some odd plus points.
18:20 <@rattle> I only have a few grand in the market.  And I've watched it plummet..
18:20 < cerkit> I've done quite well.
18:20 < cerkit> In fact, just today I made quite a bit
18:21 < cerkit> essentially day trading our mortgage lender, Freddie Mac.
18:21 < cerkit> I took a huge position at the bottom.  Around .30 cents.
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18:21 < cerkit> Its around $1.40 today.
18:21 <@rattle> My gf just finished an accounting degree..  Which is like having finished a CS degree in 2001 now..
18:21 < cerkit> I sold in the low volume at $1.30, and used the gain to buy a smsall back at $1.22.
18:22 < cerkit> I'll sell tomorrow at $1.50 half the position.
18:22 < cerkit> I've already cleared my original cost basis.  So, its all the "houses" money.
18:23 < cerkit> I do that a lot.  I did it last summer with GOOG, and then AAPL just before iPhone 1.
18:23 < cerkit> I road GOOG from 508 to 740.
18:24 < cerkit> Its fun.
18:25 < cerkit> rattle: Do you have it in an IRA at least?
18:26 <@rattle> Also in my labor needs..  I'm looking for a contractor for some WAN work.  Short term, about two weeks probably.  I can probably do around $65/hr.  Juniper SSG and NSM experience mandatory.
18:27 <@rattle> cerkit: Na..  I've kept a few grand or two in the market for awhile just so I have a reason to keep paying attention to the market and learning.
18:27 <@rattle> Must also have experience with BGP and OSPF on Cisco..
18:27 < cerkit> Well, I suggest this to you, to learn about.  Getting two IRA accounts, having a total of $10,000 potential/year.
18:27 < cerkit> The first is a Traditional, the second is a Roth.
18:28 < cerkit> Anything you put in a Traditional, you deduct.
18:28 <@rattle> I don't do the day trading thing.  I only buy stuff I plan on hanging on to for at least a Q or two..
18:28 <@sdodson> What would you invest in with those?
18:28 < cerkit> Anything you trade in a Roth -- is tax free.
18:28 < cerkit> I'm not talking about day trading.
18:28 < cerkit> I'm talking about long term investments with tax deferring.
18:28 <@rattle> So everything I have right now is in cyclicals...  Doesn't make sense for me to do anything but hang on or buy..
18:29 <@rattle> If I had any idle cash, I would be buying right now, honestly.
18:29 <@sdodson> Right, but you've got to invest into something.
18:29 < cerkit> sdodson: Sure, but I don't give that advice,  I was just suggesting a way he could better store his money over the long term.
18:29 < cerkit> The only reason I move equity around like that is because its tax free.
18:30 < cerkit> I can take profits on shorter terms and use % of gains as buy backs as a defense.
18:31 < cerkit> That wouldn't have as many teeth if I was paying short term capital gain tax.
18:31 <@rattle> I don't look at the market right now as part of my serious investment strategy...  So it just sucks..  Like, if it was the opposite and something I was holding boomed, I'd just be buying Rock Band 2 or something equally as lame.
18:31 < cerkit> Frankly, it would be pointless.
18:31 < cerkit> rattle: Yeah. I don't really spend it either.
18:32 < cerkit> rattle: I'm trying to setup this "fuck you" sized pile of money.
18:32 < cerkit> I hate going to work
18:45 <@sdodson> Exchange 2007 web isn't ajaxified?
18:46 <@Catonic> I love this picture: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/Fighton4/byu-mormon1.jpg
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18:48 <@sdodson> Mormon women seem hot.
18:49 < M0j0-j0j0> Moron women seem hotter.
18:49 <@tcstool> Exchange 2007 OWA is awesome
18:49 < DigitalIrony> how come I lost my ops
18:50 <+MaxieZ> They expired
18:50 < DigitalIrony> :P
18:50 <+MaxieZ> Man I've been in this channel for years and they won't give me ops :)
18:53 < M0j0-j0j0> Mormon women expired?
18:54 <+MaxieZ> Sadly M0j0-j0j0 they did
18:54 <+MaxieZ> Daily...more and more mormon women expire
18:54 < M0j0-j0j0> someone should do something
18:55 < M0j0-j0j0> start a "save the hot mormon chicks from expiring" campaign or something.
18:55 < M0j0-j0j0> :)
18:59 < cerkit> sdodson: so we're clear, since you miss the news, this is something you should know about the proposed bail out plan, as it was originally drafted.
18:59 < cerkit> .Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency,. the original draft of the proposed bill says.
18:59 <+MaxieZ> yay!
18:59 <@rhia> Dodd and Frank have counter bills
19:00 < cerkit> rhia: Dodd had the line of the day
19:00 < Synx_> why are people freaking out about the G1 having the ExtUSB port without a 3.5mm headphone jack
19:00 < cerkit> "This plan makes me worry less about the economy and more about our constitution"
19:00 < Synx_> it took me about all of 20min to splice a jack into the included EtxUSB connector the day i got my Dash
19:01 < cerkit> We'll see how turns out, I suppose.
19:01 < cerkit> But we'll certainly pay for it, either way.
19:01 <+MaxieZ> Well it's the courts right to decide that the law is unconstitutional.
19:01 < M0j0-j0j0> Synx_: it took me 2 minutes to buy a cable off ebay
19:01 < Synx_> see and people are freaking out about it
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19:01 <+MaxieZ> actually it's their duty
19:02 <@rhia> MaxieZ: Paulson's plan is basically "gimme a trillion bucks and go fuck yourself"
19:02 < cerkit> MaxieZ: I'm not sure how that works unfortunately.  I'm no where near that savvy.
19:02 < M0j0-j0j0> I wouldn't have had to, but verizon disabled a2dp on razrs
19:03 <@sdodson> You can sum that up by just saying "Verizon disabled the features you want on any phone you want"
19:03 < cerkit> MaxieZ: I imagine the act would persue a higher purpose than the courts -- the way the patriot act did.
19:03 < cerkit> But who knows.
19:03 <+MaxieZ> cerkit: It's basic government.  If you want to question it you take it to court.  Even the patriot act could be overturned
19:03 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: word
19:04 < cerkit> MaxieZ: How do you overturn an account full of worthless mortgage back securities once they've been bought by Mr. Paulson?
19:04 <@rhia> granting the treasury  that much power, alongside of the power grabs the administration has already done, isn't so much 'for the courts to decide' as it's gutting any relevance
19:04 <+MaxieZ> Well you wouldn't be able to overturn that.  But the fact that it says the courts can't decide doesn't make it so
19:04 <+MaxieZ> It's kind of like saying "Punch bug, no punch back".  You can say it, but I can still hit you
19:05 < cerkit> MaxieZ: No, but with the authority they'll act immediately, so that amount of overturn doesn't help very much.
19:05 < cerkit> Paulson wants it done this week.
19:05 < cerkit> So they can begin to move to collect the assets.
19:05 <+MaxieZ> It would go through yes.
19:05 <+MaxieZ> It would have to be taken to court and money taken back.  I don't see that happening though
19:05 < cerkit> He's not going to sit idle with the funds in hand with time for them to overturn it.
19:06 < cerkit> That, you can sure of.
19:06 <+MaxieZ> In my opinion it's the wording of the law, not the enacting that's the problem
19:06 < cerkit> The whole thing today was him pressuring Congress to enact it today.
19:06 < cerkit> Thats not so he can sit on it.
19:07 < cerkit> There are counter plans, thankfully.
19:07 < cerkit> Of course, Paulson will likely object, citing the fast paced complexity of the market, yadda, yadda.
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19:07 < cerkit> Because those plans with include provisions for oversight, etc.
19:07 < cerkit> will*
19:08 < cerkit> MaxieZ: I hope you're right though.
19:08 < cerkit> I truly do.
19:09 < eryc> fuck man
19:09 < eryc> my friends dispensery got busted by the feds
19:15 < eryc> this makes me very sad :(
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19:35 < M0j0-j0j0> am I wrong for chubbing up a little bit every time I hear that Trevor Reizenstein is going to be processed as an adult?
19:36 < M0j0-j0j0> putting him in prison with a bunch of older men that don't like guys who hurt kids... it's almost poetic really.
19:49 < AstralSin> i dont know who that is
19:51 < M0j0-j0j0> he's that guy that raped and beat that 5 year old girl and left her for dead in the bushes under a pile of bricks
19:52 < AstralSin> he's fucked
19:54 < M0j0-j0j0> yeah.. and being 14 and stuck in a real pen with guys that don't like that sorta thing... I give him a hour until he's raped... maybe with the guards consent and a week before they kill him
19:54 < M0j0-j0j0> maybe they'll leave him under a pile of bricks
19:59 < M0j0-j0j0> have a good night kids
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20:10 <@tzanger> I don't agree with youth being in prison to begin with, but that kid definitely has a major screw loose
20:11  * Feltenix is a fan of cruel and unusual punishment for cruel and unusual crimes
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20:30 < AstralSin> anyone familiar with visual studio 2008?
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21:12 <@sdodson> I didn't know there was a 2008.
21:14 < dasunt> Who recommended Amorphis to me?
21:14 <@coil> !!!!!!!!!!!1
21:14 <@coil> mermeme
21:14 < dasunt> Listening to them right now.
21:14 <@coil> w0000000t
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21:14 < dasunt> Going to see them in concert in October.
21:15 <@coil> bad fucking ass!
21:15 <@coil> where at
21:15 <@sdodson> If coil likes it then it's gotta be crap music.
21:15 <@coil> :(((
21:15 <@coil> defend me plz dasunt
21:15 < dasunt> sdodson: They are pretty good.
21:15 < eryc> yea like metallica good
21:15 < dasunt> It's a good time for local concerts -- Edguy, Helloween/Gamma Ray, and Opeth.
21:16 <@coil> yay opeth and edguy
21:16 < eryc> if you like the gay death metal genre
21:16 < dasunt> eryc: Er, Edguy, Helloween, and Gamma Ray are probably firmly in the Power Metal category.
21:17 < dasunt> Amorphis is probably more Prog metal.
21:17 < eryc> well this video is more death metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
21:18 <@coil> kickban eryc someone already told you this wasn't that type of channel
21:18 < dasunt> Ha ha!
21:18 < dasunt> Flashblock for the win!
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21:20 <@dasunt> I'm debating the Opeth concert.  Don't prefer most of their stuff, but "Damnation" is one of the better drinking/rainy nights albums.
21:20 <@sdodson> I listened to Lamb of God this morning, I don't think I like that genre.
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21:21 <@coil> wtf music do you like sdodson
21:21 < eryc> i like turtles
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21:21 <@dasunt> So I did my 168 mile bike ride last weekend.  Still fucking sore.
21:22 <@coil> that's far
21:22 <@dasunt> Yep.
21:22 <@dasunt> Took me about 12 hours.
21:22 <@coil> going how fast
21:22 <@sdodson> coil: I really really like My Chemical Romance!
21:22 <@dasunt> Averaged around 15 mph, I think.
21:23 <@sdodson> Uhh, I don't know, I just listen to whatever is on.
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21:23 <@coil> sdodson, emo
21:23 <@dasunt> Which isn't my best speed, but meh.
21:23 <@sdodson> dasunt: what's your sperm count?
21:23 <@sdodson> I hear riding a lot cuts off your balls
21:23 <@dasunt> sdodson: Probably 0 now.  :p
21:23 <@coil> drinking is bad mmm'kay
21:24 < eryc> bitches
21:24 <@dasunt> Heh.  My legs can go hours and hours, and I don't have a chance of knocking a girl up.  I need to advertise.  :D
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21:26 <@coil> lol
21:26 <@dasunt> Oh, and since biking long hours on public roads hasn't killed me yet, going to try to take up cross country skiing this winter.
21:27 <@dasunt> And cadmping.
21:27 <@dasunt> Er, camping.
21:30 < eryc> you should get vaseline men then
21:32 <@dasunt> I prefer the female of the species.
21:32 <@dasunt> I think I'm a masochist.
21:33 <@ShadowHntr> i want to learn to snowboard.
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21:33 <@ShadowHntr> that's one of the events i'm planning on going to see for the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver
21:35 <@dasunt> Snowboard is a bit too scary for me.
21:35 <@dasunt> I find I need a few seconds for "no, this was a stupid idea" to kick in, and snowboards go from safe to fatal before that happens.
21:40 <@dasunt> Well, don't have death metal, but I have black metal playing now.
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22:18 < M0j0-j0j0> bah
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22:26 <@Evilpig> mal'ganis is broken thread 37 pages long and got locked.  new one opened and is already 17 pages long and growing rapidly
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22:28 <@Catonic> lol
22:28 <@Catonic> sdodson: talk to dc0de
22:30 <@sdodson> Catonic: why?
22:30 <@sdodson> Evilpig: SAVE YOUR LIFE WIHLE YOU STILL CAN, QUIT WOW
22:30 <@Evilpig> what would I do with my free time then?  work?  no thx
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22:38 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Honestly at this point they're probably waiting on replacement hardware
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22:39 <@Dagmar> Bentleyx_: Check the backend logs
22:39 <@sdodson> Wait, you think Blizzard doesn't have replacement hardware on hand ready to go?
22:41 <@Catonic_lp> bahahaha
22:41 <@Catonic_lp> Mal Ganis is probably a janky piece of shit box barely mounted to the rack
22:43 <@Dagmar> More than likely it's got some rather obscure hardware problem that doesn't immediately evidence until the thing is under load
22:43 <@Dagmar> ...which are hateful, mean problems to troubleshoot
22:43 <@Evilpig> they claim it isn't hardware
22:43 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: That was blue text?
22:43 <@Evilpig> yeah
22:43 <@Dagmar> Doesn't sound plausible
22:44 <@Evilpig> our blue text has been everything from it's software to it's hardware to it's not software and it's not hardware
22:44 <@Dagmar> If it wasn't hardware they could have just reimaged the server and it would have fixed it
22:44 <@sdodson> "the server"
22:44 <@Dagmar> OKay so basically htere's bluetext people posting things they're not actually personally troubleshooting then
22:44 <@Evilpig> they hvae been all over the place saying they have the database guys on it and the network guys.  reading the blue posts is really entertaining
22:44 <@Dagmar> But at this point we can pretty much assume it's the hardarew
22:45 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: THere is always the PTR to screw around on, if you can get a character copy to go through
22:45 <@Evilpig> we've all blamed it on transfers but they say that isn't it.  hits every night at 7pm and lasts til 10pm.  so we know it is made worse with higher pop times
22:45 <@Dagmar> I'm still waiting (4 days now) for Elberg to copy to the PvE PTR.  He has all those herbs I've been stockpiling
22:45 <@Dagmar> THere are people who will be VERY happy to see me show up with that toon
22:46 <@sdodson> I find it impossible to believe that hardware causes significant outages.
22:46 <@Dagmar> I got enough herbs to take about 10 people to 300 in inscription
22:46 <@Evilpig> yeah I have been on the ptr and then back on live to do somet stuff.  trying to find these three quests I missed in terokkar
22:46 <@sdodson> They'd have to have entire racks set ablaze for hardware to be a problem.
22:46 <@Dagmar> This is partly a guess, but I'm thinking it's probably Lower City stuff
22:47 <@Dagmar> I was kinda disappointed to see that not go to live today
22:47 <@Evilpig> I flew all over the place with the detect low level quests tracker and didn't find crap
22:47 <@Evilpig> it won't go live for at least two more weeks
22:47 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: THen report it as a bug just in case
22:47 <@Evilpig> I did
22:47 <@Dagmar> There's a crapton of things the Achievements miss
22:47 <@Catonic_lp> if it's not hardware or software, then they are running the server on vmware infrastructure
22:47 <@Evilpig> also reported that the achievment tracker should list the quests that are missing like the zone exploration ones do
22:48 <@Dagmar> I've still got this one undiscovered spot on my map just west of Auchindoon
22:48 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling I'm supposed to dig up that massive mount of dirt to discover it or something
22:48 <@Evilpig> I have all of outlands and the old world explored
22:48 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Yeah the "Drink 25 beverages" ach has the same problem
22:48 <@Dagmar> "9/25" is not useful considering how much poking around Iv'e done
22:49 <@Evilpig> no joke
22:49 <@Dagmar> It's not holiday booze, and it's not spawned booze...
22:49 <@Evilpig> hit the bar in old hillsbrad
22:49 <@Evilpig> go into old hillsbrad then go down to southshore and hit up the bar
22:49 <@Dagmar> Like, I went back into ZG and got some of Nat Pagles' abandonded beer, that didn't increment it
22:49 <@Dagmar> Id' have to be able to get into Old Hillsbrad first
22:49 <@Dagmar> Actually, I might be able to sneak in there
22:50 <@Evilpig> you can't get in there?
22:50 <@Dagmar> Dunno.
22:50 <@Dagmar> Is it just a Dragonflight quest area or is it a raid area?
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22:51 <@Evilpig> it is two regular instances and a raid
22:51 <@Dagmar> Oh wait, I've been in there once I think
22:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah I should bea ble to get in there.
22:51 <@Evilpig> soon it will have old stratholme
22:51 <@Dagmar> Nothing monstrous should be in my way
22:51 <@Dagmar> "old" stratholme?
22:51 <@Dagmar> Hmmm..
22:51 <@Evilpig> yeah.  before the city was turned undead
22:51 <@Dagmar> God I am *so* looking forward to doing some more of the WCIII stuff
22:52 <@Evilpig> alot of people are
22:52 <@Dagmar> Arthas' Rampage will be a hoot
22:52 <@Evilpig> hyjal was a bit of a let down
22:52 <@Dagmar> Bleh
22:52 <@Dagmar> There was a pug into Hyjal tonight that I passed on because I got about 10 minutes' notice
22:52 <@Dagmar> At least it wasn't the same people that did that Naxx PUG last weekend.
22:52 <@Dagmar> I won't work with those guys again if I can help it
22:55 <@Dagmar> I found out the guy *was* blaming me for two wipes
22:55 <@Dagmar> <-- does not get aggro.  Period.
22:56 <@Dagmar> I had Lindsey on pins and needles last night when we were taking down Coren Direbrew at one point because I actually got to 120% threat and held it
22:56 <@Dagmar> ...cuz it was going to be ME or the healer
22:57 <@Evilpig> you get the kodo yet?
22:57 <@Dagmar> No.
22:57 <@Drag0n> damn WoW nuts, play a real MMO
22:58 <@Dagmar> I got the fucking goat last night tbho
22:58 <@Dagmar> ...and the Brightbrew Charm
22:58 <@Dagmar> I like the beer ladies
22:58 <@Dagmar> :)
22:58 <@Evilpig> I got balebrew
22:58 <@brimstone> Drag0n: WoW is just a BBS with better graphics :D
22:58 <@Dagmar> Lindsey got that one
22:58 <@Dagmar> THe beer ladies are really common
22:58 <@Drag0n> thats why i play EvE
22:58 <@Dagmar> Guild leader's wife got the remote for the mole machine just before we logged on
22:59 <@Evilpig> Drag0n: you want me to send you a friend code?  so you can join the cool kids?
22:59 <@Dagmar> SHe didn't know why I got all excited about that
22:59 <@Dagmar> I was like OOOh!  Talk to Ognip!  Talk to Ognip!
22:59 <@Drag0n> why should i step down to WoW
22:59 <@Evilpig> step up
22:59  * brimstone takes it to the streets
23:00 <@Drag0n> what happens when someone quits eve to play WoW, the average iq of both increases
23:00 <@Dagmar> Once you have that remote when Ognip explains that L70ETC plays at 8pm server time, and it ain't 8pm, you can say "But I drove my mole machine all this way..." and he'll begrudgingly get them to come out and play
23:00 <@Dagmar> /cheer the bandmembers and get a +10% to all stats buff for 5 minutes
23:00 <@Dagmar> It makes Coren easier
23:00 <@Evilpig> heh neat
23:01 <@Dagmar> ...plus, it's fucking cool as hell to watch.  :)
23:01 <@Evilpig> I want that remote too.  saw it drop twice now
23:01 <@Dagmar> Grim Guzzler is really turning into a playground area
23:01 <@Evilpig> it always was
23:01 <@Dagmar> God I can't believe people are pulling that out in AV
23:01 <@Evilpig> do you know about the protect the beer game?
23:01 <@Dagmar> No... Do tell.  :)
23:01 <@Evilpig> buy all the beer from the bar keep then go back in the store room and drop a dark iron beer on the ground
23:02 <@Dagmar> I know NOT to touch the beer or food on the bar.  Hehe
23:02 <@Evilpig> it will pull the entire bar.  one by one and they won't attack you unless they get to the beer
23:02 <@Dagmar> Ohhh
23:02 <@Dagmar> I just don't fuck with the flow of beer until I'm ready to sneak out
23:02 <@Dagmar> I didn't realize you could chain pull them like that.  Hehe
23:03 <@Dagmar> I've got 12 coffer keys again
23:03 <@Drag0n> http://www.omgrawr.net/quote/7908
23:03 <@Dagmar> I'm going to try to get Lindsey's twink in there before I use 'em
23:04 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Someone is reading more into EVE than is actually there I think
23:04 <@Dagmar> WoW is more like Tale of Two Cities, if it had about nine sequels
23:04 <@Dagmar> ...but very paperback
23:05 <@Drag0n> nope, the dev's are real good at adding unwanted apendages
23:05 <@Dagmar> WoW is more fun by far if you actually played Warcraft I, II, and III
23:05 <@Dagmar> ...at least after 60
23:05 <@Evilpig> coffer keys are pretty common I wouldn't worry about saving them.  I have a couple hundred from various exploits
23:05 <@Drag0n> played em, but i also prefered decent I and II
23:06 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I wind up with them pooling up from me screwing around in there.
23:06 <@Dagmar> Like, I can mostly get to the Grim Guzzler by fighting only about 8 guys.
23:06 <@Evilpig> warcraft 1.  all I gotta say is archers own
23:06 <@Dagmar> However, that's about as long odds as a fat kid going all the way through a candy store without sampling stuff
23:07 <@Dagmar> I have a real problem with going "Hmm... wonder what's in that guys pockets"
23:07 <@Evilpig> you and me both
23:07 <@Dagmar> That mole machine at the entrance is nice
23:07 <@Evilpig> goto epl and pick the pockets of the ghouls
23:07 <@Dagmar> hehe
23:07 <@Evilpig> they have red roses
23:07 <@Dagmar> I'm not picking pockets.  I'm picking ribcages and shoulderpads and basically "anything not nailed down" most of the time
23:08 <@Evilpig> I use my rogue and actually pick pockets
23:08 <@Dagmar> If my core hound could eat mobs and just poop out their loot, it would be all win for me
23:08 <@Dagmar> ...so long as he fully digested the grey drops.
23:08 <@Evilpig> I saw someone with omen on the ptr today
23:08 <@Evilpig> that was awesome
23:08 <@Dagmar> Awesome
23:09 <@Evilpig> like a core hound but light blue and flaming
23:09 <@Dagmar> The built in threat thing is only going to be useful for people for the slow
23:09 <@Dagmar> Oh you're not talking about the plugin
23:09 <@Evilpig> no.  the mob omen from the elder festival thing
23:09 <@Dagmar> You sure you don't mean Kurken?
23:09 <@Dagmar> How the fuck did they get that'
23:09 <@Evilpig> gm
23:09 <@Dagmar> Ah
23:09 <@Evilpig> well the gm spawned it for him to tame
23:10 <@Dagmar> I took great amusement in declaring "My pokemon can beat your pokemon" at some guys with Kurken
23:10 <@Dagmar> "Uvuros, I choose you!"
23:10 <@Dagmar> *MUNCH*
23:11 <@Dagmar> THere's some weird fun to be had using the eyes spell to control your pet and duel that way
23:11 <@Dagmar> Kurken is pretty damn cool looking
23:11 <@Dagmar> I hope they don't make them all small again
23:12 <@Dagmar> That was one of the bigger letdowns I think
23:12 <@Dagmar> ...that you could tame an elite mob that was about the size of a double-decker bus, and he'd shrink down to smaller than you are.
23:12 <@Evilpig> I thoguht part of the coolness of an exotic pet was it stayed big
23:12 <@Dagmar> For now we can at least still have these ginormous monsters
23:12 <@Dagmar> Not al
23:12 <@Dagmar> Not all exotics stay big
23:13 <@Dagmar> They shrink varying degrees I suspect based on the importance the devs placed on their size
23:13 <@Dagmar> Chimera shrink to almost "pet" sized
23:13 <@Dagmar> Moths just shrink
23:13 <@Dagmar> The massive beasties like core hounds and rhinos stay big
23:14 <@Dagmar> well, by stay big I mean they don't shrink much
23:14 <@Dagmar> I like seeing the ground shake when my pet runs up
23:14 <@Dagmar> Heh
23:14 <@Dagmar> NO MORE FEEDING THE FUCKERS
23:14 <@Dagmar> YAY!
23:14 <@Dagmar> "Bloodthirsty" is WELL worth the talent points
23:15 <@Dagmar> I was always a bit put off by the fact that I can feed all manner of raw things to my pet, but he would never just take a bite out of someone and swallow it, until Bloodthirsty.  :)
23:18 <@Dagmar> Between Bloodthirst and the change to Aspect of the Viper, Blizz definitely proved they're very into taking the drudgery out
23:18 <@Dagmar> No more having to sit and eat/drink for Hunters.
23:23 < eryc> omfg wow is down!?!?!
23:23 < eryc> what on earth will you people do!
23:23  * eryc locks the doors
23:23 <@brimstone> wait, really?
23:23 <@Dagmar> Play Spore.
23:23 <@brimstone> all of wow is down?
23:23 <@Dagmar> I am STILL not through the fucking space stage, but at least I've not been wiped out of the galaxy yet either
23:24 <@Dagmar> Things go much better than they do for me with Civ
23:24 <@Dagmar> Granted, Iv'e been following a mainly trade-based approach, and the one group that DID try to take one of my planets was met with a large number of atomic bombs
23:24 < eryc> yea i'm gonna buy spore tomorrow. thats a good idea..
23:24 <@Dagmar> It's not bad
23:25 <@Dagmar> It's not quite the Uber Sandbox they tried to make it out to be, but it's still pretty damn elaborate
23:25 <@Dagmar> I think basically it's safe to say that the worst that can be said of it was said by Zero Punctuation
23:26 <@Dagmar> I'm clearly doing somethig wrong with the space stage, or I got a bad place to start from
23:26 <@Dagmar> I suppose I should just um, "remove" the sentient peoples from systems I think I want
23:26 <@Dagmar> ...but I'd rather not start down that road if I can help it
23:26 <@sdodson> People find Katt Williams funny?
23:26 <@Dagmar> Atomic Bombs are very, very effective tho
23:26 <@Dagmar> :)
23:27 <@Dagmar> COlonized planets get three colonies.  THe home planets get nine or so
23:27 <@Dagmar> I figured either I win against that guy right then or I'm fucked so I took 20 atomic bombs straight to their home planet
23:27 <@Dagmar> Mushroom clouds. :)
23:28 <@Dagmar> You um, can't inhabit the thing after that really tho so... I'm still slightly at a loss for how to "remove" the people from systems I want unless I want to just write off whatever planet they were on
23:33 <@Dagmar> It's still damn bizarre to see that the game (sheer random luck) recycled my own race as primitives on one of the systems
23:35 <@Dagmar> THankfully, about halfway through the space exploration stage you get your hands on a weapon that can wipe out entire species at a go
23:35 <@Dagmar> So... my end of the galaxy stays free of "penis monsters"
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23:36 <@Dagmar> I've seen two such things so far.
23:36 <@Dagmar> Hint: Tracking them down with planetary radar and torching them one at a time with the laser doesn't work.
23:37 <@Dagmar> You can pretty much go hog wild and not eliminate a species from the biome
23:38 <@Dagmar> From the way planets are seeded it looks like they're all just kinda represented "in potential" on the parts of the planet you're not looking at at the moment
23:38 <@Dagmar> So another thing to keep in mind is that when you're terraforming, you only need *one* critter to plant that species on a planey
23:38 <@Dagmar> er planet
23:38 <@Dagmar> Don't ask me how they can all be doing mitosis or something
23:41 <@Dagmar> Also, note that ears and etc really *don't* make a damn bit of difference.
23:42 <@Dagmar> ALl I can really suggest with the lesser stages of the game is to TRY to be omnivorous
23:42 <@Dagmar> Get that proboscis as a microbe and eat everything and everyone you can, because being locked into herbivorous or carnivore state kinda sucks.
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