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04:22 <@Catonic> 768MB VM on a 1GB box, XP on XP, not so good. 512MB on a 1GB box, performance is better.
04:23 <@Catonic> I suppose to the observing traffic, that's a no-brainer.
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07:13 < Shadow404> wow, some of my coworkers are the most immature idgits ever
07:13 <@someninjamaster> welcome to the club
07:13 < Shadow404> this one dude, hes in his 50's and a complete asshole, is wearing a full hooded ski mask at his desk
07:13 < Shadow404> leaning back like hes falling asleep
07:14 < Shadow404> and answers the phone by placing it under the ski mask and next to his ear
07:14 <@someninjamaster> shadowmoss: got your handgun permit yet
07:14 < Shadow404> Shadow404: yes
07:14 <@someninjamaster> doh
07:14 < Shadow404> 2 1/2 week wait
07:14 <@someninjamaster> i tabbed one too few
07:14 < Shadow404> my amatuer radio tag is taking longer than my permit dude and i applied the same day
07:15 < Shadow404> *did
07:15 <@someninjamaster> get this
07:15  * Shadow404 is running on 2 hours of sleep
07:15 <@someninjamaster> one of my workers was saying that global warmings root cause is all of the trips that the space shuttle is making to the iss
07:16 < Shadow404> yeah, i heard you say that a while back
07:16 < Shadow404> i heard lm's storis about barbie IT
07:17 < Shadow404> and is ladymerlin lurking about?
07:17 <@someninjamaster> last week we had a guy quit
07:17 <@ladymerlin> yes
07:17 <@someninjamaster> and he broke his time card in half
07:17 <@someninjamaster> only issue it was rfid
07:17 < Shadow404> ladymerlin: so, barbie IT stories?
07:17 <@ladymerlin> heh
07:18 <@ladymerlin> what about them
07:18 <@ladymerlin> shes a moron
07:18 < Shadow404> didnt she have a thoery on global warming?
07:18 <@ladymerlin> 'http dosent stand for anything, its jsut a type of email'
07:18 < Shadow404> lawl
07:18 <@ladymerlin> im sure she did
07:18 < Shadow404> did? shes gone now?
07:18 <@ladymerlin> thatnkfully shes nowhere near me anymore
07:19 <@ladymerlin> she fucked her way into a new job...then lost it because she coulsnt do it
07:19 < Shadow404> nice
07:19 < Shadow404> someninjamaster: did he have to pay for it?
07:19 <@someninjamaster> yeah
07:19 < Shadow404> awesome
07:20 <@someninjamaster> came back in all pissed off saying theres no way that card cost that much
07:24 <@someninjamaster> we charged him 5 bucks for it
07:26  * someninjamaster is off to work
07:26 <@brimstone> heh, have fun today someninjamaster
07:30 < Shadow404> oh man, you gotta love how much people complain cause a fuckign radio stream is down. It like its life or death need to listen to a fucking program for them
07:52 <@Dolemite> y
07:52 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:55  * shadowmoss pops in
07:55  * I-MOD ducks
07:55 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
07:56 <@I-MOD> bleh...mondays
07:56 <@SkyDog_> Agreed.
07:58  * shadowmoss smooches I-MOD 
08:05 < Shadow404> bleh mondays when the only sleep you had was the bus ride into work
08:08  * I-MOD glomps shadowmoss 
08:08 < Shadow404> omg, its like reverse glomping
08:10 <@shadowmoss> Woot!
08:10  * shadowmoss reverse glomps Shadow404 
08:11 <@shadowmoss> I can't get to the pn site from work (blocked), what are the dates of pn?
08:12 < Shadow404> wawawa
08:12 < Shadow404> oct 24-25
08:12 <@shadowmoss> danka
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08:21 < Shadow404> shadowmoss: willkommen
08:39 <@shadowmoss> I just announced a pizza nite on Oct. 1 at Fletcher's in Donnelson for folks interested in hiking
08:39 <@shadowmoss> I do this every couple of months.  We get together to talk about our trips
08:40 <@shadowmoss> If any of y'll in the Nashville area are interested, come on over
08:42 <@SkyDog_> Hiking? Isn't that like... exercise?
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08:44 <@shadowmoss> um, yes, it is.  sorry, forgot where I was
08:47 < Shadow404> shadowmoss: will the trail have free wifi?
08:47 <@shadowmoss> ummm, sure, just gotta have the right receiver
08:47 < Shadow404> heh
08:48 <@SkyDog_> :P
08:49 <@aestetix> Next time you're at a bar with someone you don't like
08:49 <@aestetix> Grind up some advil into their drink.
08:50 <@oddball> Something I don't like to hear from my data provider: "looks like we need to re-engineer your connection."
08:50 <@aestetix> Oh wait. better idea.
08:51 <@SkyDog_> aestetix: Um, for what/
08:51 <@aestetix> SkyDog_: fucked up sex scenarios, of course.
08:51  * SkyDog_ walks away, shaking head.
08:51 <@aestetix> Ok, check this one out.
08:52 <@aestetix> Fill her cunt with mentos. Take a swig of diet coke, and eat her out.
08:52 <@aestetix> "Wow, she's a squirter!"
08:53 < Shadow404> thats bad
08:54 <@aestetix> Shadow404: can't knock it till you try it
08:55 <@shadowmoss> back to Security+ questions...
08:55 <@shadowmoss> can someone explain 'birthday attack' in a manner that I can understand it?
08:58 <@SkyDog_> Find the birthday of the sys admin. Wreck his systems on his birthday to further mess with his life.
08:59 <@shadowmoss> 'k, got it :)
08:59 <@SkyDog_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_attack
08:59 <@SkyDog_> :)
08:59 < Shadow404> woot, will have to remember that one, after i spent the friday 2 hours later at work cause i had to help rebuild the db after the new guy fucked up our noc files
09:00 < Shadow404> fortunately we had a backup of course, but had to hand comb for bad data
09:04 < nated0g_wrk> whats going on party people!
09:04 <@shadowmoss> ok, after some higher mathematics on the wiki site, it starts the next paragraph with 'it is easy to see...'.  ummm, no, it's not easy at all
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09:07 < Shadow404> shadowmoss: for a math major maybe
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09:09 <@timoguin> Damn shell is down at home.
09:12 < Shadow404> timoguin: i blame ware's sys admin skills
09:12 < Shadow404> look what happened to the ircd
09:12 <@nachoguy> Skydog, I had something similar to the Birthday Attack.  I just had the Vacation Attack.
09:13 <@nachoguy> While I was on vacation, one of our callcenters went to shit (no power or plumbing)
09:13 <@oddball> "fun
09:13 <@oddball> "
09:14 <@timoguin> Shadow404: nah.  I moved a bunch of my computers around last night.
09:15 <@timoguin> Oh, yea, I remember my desktop was having trouble with its network settings for some reason.
09:15 <@timoguin> And that's my SSHD.
09:15 < Shadow404> ouch
09:15 < Shadow404> heh, just checked bigblue
09:16 < Shadow404> uptime 6 months 28 days, not bad for an xp box
09:17 <@oddball> so, an xp box that hasn't been updated in 6months 28 days?
09:17 < Shadow404> you could say that, heh
09:17 <@oddball> just saying
09:17 <@brimstone> interesting, evolution uses 3 times the memory when it's allowed to save my password
09:17 < Shadow404> oddball: its not exactly a legite xp
09:18 <@aestetix> ok
09:18 <@aestetix> Anyone know why icewasel has basically spawned off 10 processes?
09:18 < Shadow404> was i using your computer?
09:18 < Shadow404> no, so why would i know?
09:18 < M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: are you sure about that
09:18 <@aestetix> Shadow404: I was wondering if there is some technical reason
09:18 <@brimstone> M0j0-j0j0: yup, goes from 134 to 350 something when it's allowed to save passwords
09:19 <@brimstone> megabytes
09:19 <@brimstone> if i tell it not to, it goes right back down
09:19 < M0j0-j0j0> wow... maybe I should check that out on my end
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09:19 <@TdC_VgA> anyone know a paul couture?
09:19 <@brimstone> M0j0-j0j0: yeah, debating going back to icedove
09:20 < M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: debating going back to pine
09:20 <@brimstone> i want the email with the calendar
09:20 <@brimstone> cal && mutt only gets me so far
09:20 < M0j0-j0j0> I want an email that doesn't erase all my email
09:21 <@Dolemite> heh, apparently NLUG is going to start meeting in the Hill Center
09:21 <@Dolemite> I guess they lost their sponsor over in MRB
09:22 < M0j0-j0j0> RaleighPerlMongers meet here, but the guy who runs it doesn't work here anymore so i wonder how long that will last
09:22 < M0j0-j0j0> meeting time
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09:30 <@timoguin> Dolemite: Actually, the last meeting had about 30 people and was standing room.
09:30 <@Dolemite> Well then they're going to have a problem, because you can't really fit 30 people in here.
09:31 <@timoguin> Is it bigger than the other place?
09:31 <@timoguin> The last meeting was the first one I've been to.
09:31 <@timoguin> There were 5 or 6 who had never been before.
09:32 <@Dolemite> I think the room in MRB is bigger.
09:33 <@timoguin> Well that's weird.
09:33 <@timoguin> I remember some people on the list talking about needing a bigger meeting space.
09:33 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I've sent off an email to Kevin to ask why they're trying to move over here.
09:34 <@Dolemite> A classroom is much more suited to the meetings
09:34 <@shadowmoss> they haven't met in the classroom for a bout a year or so
09:34 <@Dolemite> where have they been meeting?
09:34 <@timoguin> It's a conference room.
09:35 <@timoguin> D2221 I think.
09:35 <@Dolemite> well that's what Hill 238 is.
09:35 <@Dolemite> That is what surprises me.
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09:35 <@shadowmoss> dol:  sponsor them a classroom, they will use it :)
09:36 <@Dolemite> I can't sponsor them a classroom, I don't have any in my building. :P
09:36 <@shadowmoss> lack-o-Vandy sponsors is what lost the MRB room I think
09:36 <@Dolemite> Besides, I don't attend the meetings.
09:36 <@shadowmoss> so?
09:36 <@shadowmoss> most of the original sponsors hadn't attended for years at MRB
09:36 <@shadowmoss> of course, that's what caught up with them
09:37 <@shadowmoss> someone forgot to schedule it
09:37 <@Dolemite> Well some may not, but I take sponsorship seriously.  If I'm sponsoring something I should at least be involved with it.
09:39 <@Dolemite> Yep, they're going to look for something else.  I just got a phone call about it.
09:40 <@Dolemite> Are there no VU employees that attend the meetings?
09:41 <@shadowmoss> not sure anymore, haven't been in longer than it's been since I was at a 2600 meeting
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10:31 <@Catonic> shite
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11:05 <@Catonic> http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1843168,00.html
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11:22 <@rhia> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2939
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11:29 <@coil> hi my name is the power  company and i fail to provide power to my customers
11:30 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: forget to pay the bill again?
11:31 <@coil> uhh no
11:31 <@Corydon76-dig> btw, the offer to move to Nashville is rescinded.  I have a new boyfriend
11:32 <@coil> yeah you've been flaunting about it for the past few days
11:32 <@coil> i can take a hint you know
11:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Um, okay
11:34 <@Corydon76-dig> It's not like you were seriously considering it, were you?
11:37 <@GodFix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdjqsSSa_A
11:37 <@GodFix> SFW
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Gee, wonder what he was thinking of
11:55 <@critch> I just love it when Ten-Tec sends me a sale flyer and everything in it is used and yet the cheapest radio is still $1255
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12:00 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Does that mean you won't be whoring it up at PhreakNIC?  Do we need a new t-shirt slogan?
12:10 < Shadow404> "if she aint your gf, stick it in the pooper?"
12:11 < Shadow404> man, where is pyro these days
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12:14 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: did you by any chance ask your cisco guys how they got the mulitple ssids / vlans working?
12:14 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Did you by any chance make me some elixir of shadow power and email it to me? :)
12:15 <@Evilpig> no.  I haven't been on since I last talked to you.  :P  but I have all teh stuff you need now.  as long as you have the quest to start the event
12:15 <@Dolemite> I have the quests, just need the mats
12:16 <@Dolemite> Can you give me a bit more specific question to ask the network engineers?
12:16 <@Evilpig> you have the quests for the three items right?  once you are to that point you are ready to summon if you know someone with the items
12:16 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I have the quests for the bell, the wheel and the candle, plus the one to take the imp into Scholomance.
12:16 <@Evilpig> Okay on the cisco APs if you setup multiple ssids with different security types they have to have separate vlans.  what do you have to set on the switch in order to get the non-native vlan onto the network
12:17 <@Evilpig> as long as I don't raid tonight can you sign on and I will get you to the lab in scholo.  that is the only real part you need
12:18 <@Evilpig> heather has the summoning stuff.  all we have to do is have the quest for the horse then she will do the summoning and then we just collect the rewards
12:18 <@Dolemite> ok, I emailed your question to one of the engineers that is likely to help
12:18 <@Dolemite> I should be on tonight around 8
12:19 <@Dolemite> I'm about to hit 62
12:19 <@Dolemite> Finally got to 360 on First Aid, so now I can make heavy netherweave bandages
12:19 <@Dolemite> is there anything after that?
12:20 <@Evilpig> nope
12:20 <@Evilpig> not til wrath
12:20 <@Evilpig> which blows ass.  cause 4000hp from a bandaid isn't shit to me
12:21 <@Evilpig> I may have just found part of my answer.  I just enabled my cisco network assistant to show me the vlans.  and the ones for the APs don't seem to extend to the switches
12:24 <@Dolemite> well, yeah, you have to trunk the VLAN's through every link the chain
12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: correct; I will be sleeping only with the boyfriend at PN12
12:26 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : It ain't the sleeping that I'm talking about here.
12:26 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/cisco.jpg
12:27 <@critch> did anyone else talk to laughingboy at DC this year? He mentioned wanting to come back to PN.
12:27 <@Evilpig> the links are setup to trunk but I doubt the vlans are setup on the other two switches
12:28 <@Dolemite> that would do it
12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: I figured "sleeping with" was as good a euphemism as any.  Most people in here would probably prefer if I did not enumerate each specific act.
12:29 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : I don't recall that stopping you before, but we do appreciate it stopping you today.
12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> especially given that it's lunchtime?
12:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I did wait for SkyDog to finish eating the other day before I discussed pancaking (NOT what it suggests on Google)
12:31 <@Evilpig> shit.  I think I just enabled the vlan in the right place.  wonder if it is working now.  guess I should head back out there
12:31 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : I have a sample config to email you.
12:31 <@Evilpig> excellent thx.
12:32 <@Evilpig> bbiab.  running back to the book company
12:32 <@Dolemite> wilpig@wilpig.org?
12:34 <@Neoteric> fuck this. I'm retiring and writing videogames for girls.
12:35 <@Dolemite> Neoteric : Videogames with a target audience of girls, or videogames in exchange for girls?
12:35 <+MaxieZ> Wow...I have no idea which would be more likely
12:36 <@Dolemite> That's why we have to know.
12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> I'd have to say "in exchange for"
12:37 <@Corydon76-dig> I can already imagine Neoteric getting a drag queen and going for it anyway, as desperate as he is
12:37 <@aestetix> how about a Wii version of Night Trap
12:38 <@critch> I think I need this on a tshirt. http://cad-comic.com/sillies.php?d=20080913
12:55 <@Evilpig> yeah thataddress is good
12:55 <@Evilpig> missing some small piece of the puzzle
13:02 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: do I have to make a choice? can't it be both?
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13:06 <@Neoteric> I need to find an graphic artist
13:06 <@Neoteric> or maybe someone to teach me "graphic arts"
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13:24 <@Neoteric> wow... this is scarey. no asm, no C, just python... I hate the scary future.
13:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: you should learn object-oriented assembly
13:32 <@maco> Neoteric: what system is that?
13:36 <@Neoteric> maco: playstation 9
13:36 <@Neoteric> the game system target of choice
13:37 <@Neoteric> the ps9 has an ultra immersive enviroment that all the girls like
13:37 <@maco> i thought there were only 3 playstations...
13:38 <@maco> are you looking at sony's plans for 2015 or what?
13:39 <@I-MOD> it's a little bit further out than that
13:40 <@maco> oh yeah, this decade's almost over O_O
13:40 <@I-MOD> but really Neoteric, quit peeking into the future, you're going to spoil the surprise ending for all of us
13:40 <@I-MOD> erm...i mean
13:41 <@I-MOD> "spoil the future"...right
13:41  * I-MOD has said too much
13:42 <@Neoteric> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmtDAVM-3A
13:44 < Falun> are the PN talks filmed?
13:45 <@Neoteric> only if the presenter is hawt
13:45 < Falun> well damn...
13:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Falun:  we have gay men on staff, so yes, all of the talks are recorded
13:47 <@maco> i dont get it
13:47 < Shadow404> nor do we
13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> maco: Neoteric's suggestion would have it that we would only record female presenters, as if there were only straight men in the room
13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Just pointing out that men are considered hawt, too
13:48 < Shadow404> and what about female attendees?
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> There are females at PhreakNIC?
13:49 < Shadow404> yes
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Are you sure?
13:49 <@Dolemite> Ones without a penis?
13:49 < Shadow404> and well, my odds are pretty good
13:49 < Falun> I remember at least 3 the laist time I was there
13:49 < Shadow404> minus the ones with a penis
13:49 <@maco> Falun: just 3? wow
13:49 < Falun> well, I should point out that I don't remember much
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Falun: how sure are you that they weren't exceptionally feminine men in drag?
13:49 < Shadow404> i can count 5 true women attendess of the top of my head
13:50 < Shadow404> true women, not drag
13:50 < Shadow404> 3 i can certify
13:50  * Shadow404 ducks
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: We're not all that sure about you, anyway
13:50 < Shadow404> heh
13:51 < Falun> regardless, thanks for the info, good to know I won't completely miss the early Friday talks
13:51 < Shadow404> im still waiting for the oct schedule at my work
13:52 <@Dolemite> I have to move my pumpkin ale from primary to secondary tonight
13:52 <@Dolemite> and start working on the slide deck for my talk
13:52 < Shadow404> fun, time for a taste test
13:53 <@Dolemite> couple more weeks and I'll keg up the apfelwein
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13:54 < Shadow404> i got a whole 24 case still aging
13:54 < Shadow404> will be perfect when pn rolls around
13:56 < coil_> hi Shadow404 best friend
13:56 < Shadow404> coil_: diaf
13:56 < coil_> kthx
13:57 < Shadow404> welcomebye
13:57 < coil_> how are you
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14:01 < Shadow404> still wishing you would diaf
14:01 <@coil_> awww, that's so sweet
14:02 < Shadow404> i know, im the best, now go diaf
14:03 <@coil_> i dont have any f
14:03 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: I protest the implication that my previous statement was applicable to only women. hawt is hawt. 'nuff said.
14:03 <@Neoteric> as a forinstance, fat dude talking about krad code; hawt.
14:03 <@GodFix> SFW: this happening at PN?http://www.banthis.com/pictures/181/Drinking-Chess.html
14:03 <@Neoteric> skinny white dude talking about case modding; not-hawt.
14:04 <@Neoteric> hot chicks talking about touching firehoses; hawt.
14:04 <@Neoteric> hoto chick talking about actual firehoses; not-hawt.
14:06 < Shadow404> heh, the man makes a good point
14:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: I want you to name at least one guy that you consider to be hawt
14:08 <@Dolemite> Don't do it!  It's a trap!
14:09 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: billy clinton
14:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: that you've met
14:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: how about one who could actually recall who you are and isn't just a good politician that way.
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: btw, you need to get this T-shirt:  http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/palin-o8-restoring-americas-confidence-in-bush/
14:13 <@Dolemite> ~minilink
14:13 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/tshirthell.com/BE3cE
14:15 <@shadowmoss> I think there were more than 3 women at pn on Friday night at least, I was there...
14:16 <@Neoteric> awesome... I need that shirt
14:19 <@Dolemite> I like the one of Palin killing the donkey better
14:19 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: if I have to come up w/ #2 then matt damon.
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: he knows who you are?
14:20 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: yup. went out drinking w/ him and his peeps 2wks ago.
14:20 <@Neoteric> he's a big supporter of the sunlightfoundation
14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: would you consider Billy Hoffman hawt?
14:21 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: well when billy's doing the billy-talk-routine yeah that's pretty hawt.
14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> How about Virgil?
14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> or Abaddon?
14:22 <+MxZBot> FREE KEVIN!
14:30 <@Neoteric> virgil has that devil-cherub thing going on
14:30 <@Neoteric> and mike's not hawt
14:30 <@I-MOD> shadowmoss, 3 of the women at pn that friday were just there looking for a party
14:30 < Shadow404> I-MOD: names?
14:31 <@I-MOD> one was wendy, don't remember the names of the other two, but they spent the night in ware and tim's room :D
14:31 < Shadow404> thats explains alot
14:32 <@I-MOD> like the zebra coat?
14:32 <@I-MOD> and the fuzzy hat?
14:32 < Shadow404> that too
14:32 < Shadow404> and the blow up sheep
14:32 <@I-MOD> no, i don't think it explains that
14:33 <+eryc> http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/mccain-palin-sarah-palin-hunting/
14:36 <@shadowmoss> ok, so 4 of us women there were looking for a party :)
14:37 < Shadow404> woah, just checked the pn schedule, there is gonna be another scavenger hunt? where are the details?
14:37 <@shadowmoss> and... I just found out I'm being sent to Germany for 3 weeks... leaving week before PN
14:37 <@shadowmoss> sigh
14:37 <@I-MOD> shadowmoss, i think there was also a different one there on saturday night
14:37 < Shadow404> that sucks
14:38 <@I-MOD> there are some...errr..photobooth pictures
14:38 <@shadowmoss> This stuff is always subject to change, but the odds are that I'll be out of the country
14:38 <@critch> I remember Denyse or some od spelling of the name there one night with a friend of hers.
14:38 <@shadowmoss> I-MOD: you told me that camera didn't work when we went in there!
14:38 <@I-MOD> no no, not thse
14:38 <@I-MOD> those
14:39 <@I-MOD> i mean...right, it wasn't....
14:39 <@shadowmoss> oh... [blush]  ok then
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14:52 <+eryc> anyone playing spore?
14:52 <+eryc> im tempted to buy it
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14:55 < Shadow404> eryc: i think its a lot of hype
14:56 <+eryc> yea but is it still fun to play i wonder
14:56 < Shadow404> is there a trial?
14:56 <+eryc> good point..
14:58 <+eryc> hm. no there isn't
14:58 <+eryc> they just have this creature creator trial/demo
14:58 <+eryc> which looks silly
14:58 <+eryc> apparently it runs on ipods tho
15:00 <+eryc> heh. these guys have an ad on the google search results for spore
15:00 <+eryc> http://www.seoteen.com/Maxis-Spore-Galactic-Edition-RELOADED/79
15:00 <@Catonic> Dolemite: here's your card:  http://xkcd.com/479/
15:00 <+eryc> "It's yours FREE. To enable the DIRECT Download button for Maxis Spore Galactic Edition RELOADED below, you must follow these 5 simple steps:"
15:00 <+eryc> always 5 simple steps
15:00 <+eryc> i wonder if i get snes roms too
15:03 <@Dagmar> One of these steps is probably "Obtain a valid Spore key"
15:03 <@Dagmar> The "Galactic Edition" of Spore doesn't come with anything other than an extra DVD that is just videos
15:03 <@Dagmar> ...and a book.
15:03 <@juice> i'm 25 today
15:03 <@Dagmar> A pirated version of the "normal" and "galactic" editions is going to be basically the same game.
15:04 <@Dagmar> eryc: I've got the thing
15:04 <@Dagmar> It's a interesting sandboxer
15:04 <@Catonic> juice: happy birthday.
15:05 < Shadow404> juice: welcome to the club
15:05 <@Evilpig> juice: call up and demand your lower insurance rate.  asap
15:05 < Shadow404> i did
15:06 < Shadow404> saved like 40%
15:07 <@Catonic> I did and saved like 5%.
15:07 < Shadow404> heh, well your catonic
15:07 < Shadow404> your driving records is publically well known
15:08 <@Catonic> heh. I believe the statement is "your drivering records are public knowledge, as are all court cases not of a civil variety."
15:10 <+eryc> Dagmar: have any spaceships yet?
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15:14 <@juice> lol
15:14 <@juice> yeah I hope I see it lower in november when I renew
15:17 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yeah I finally got to the space stage.  It took awhile
15:18 <@Dagmar> juice: Remember when you travel now, *car rental is no problme after you're 25"
15:18 <@Dagmar> juice: Actually, I'd call them and ask about it now
15:18 <@Drag0n> unless you dont have a credit card, debit carss dont count
15:20 <+eryc> During a screening interview, I was asked how I would design a bike fit for someone visually impaired. I responded something to the effect of, "What, like, for blind people?", and she answered yes.
15:20 <+eryc> I thought for a moment and then I responded, "Well.. a blind person riding a bike doesn't sound like a very safe idea, so I would make the bike stationary, maybe with a fan blowing in the person's face. He probably wouldn't even know the difference."
15:20 <+eryc> She was speechless.
15:20 <+eryc> didnt mean to paste that, but there you go
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15:21  * eryc needs to be more careful with the right click
15:21 <+eryc> Drag0n: debit cards work fine for most car rentals
15:21 <@Dagmar> eryc: That is awesome
15:21 <@ShadowHntr> however
15:21 <@ShadowHntr> if you use a debit card
15:22 <@Dagmar> They put a "hold" on it, but if you're using a debit card you're probably used to that
15:22 <@ShadowHntr> they may place a hold on your account for the estimated charges plus any possible damages (a percentage, don't know the exact amount)
15:22 <@Drag0n> nope, tried it and got tuned down, they said you need a credit card or a round trip ticket to the area
15:22 <@Drag0n> they would not accept my debit card
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15:22 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yeah if they didn't say the bike was for transportation I'd have been fine with assuming ti was going to be an exercise bike htey were talking about
15:22 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Which agency denied your debit card?
15:23 <@Drag0n> hertz
15:23 <@Dagmar> What's this about round trip tho?
15:23 <@ShadowHntr> you tried enterprise?
15:23 <@Evilpig> user calls up and says "where are my other faculty users?"  what would your answer be?
15:23 <+eryc> i rented from hertz with a debit card and no r/t ticket
15:23 <@Drag0n> no, just drove my truck
15:23 <@Dagmar> Not even Hertz should have turned him down if he was over 25 and in good standing
15:23 <+eryc> you just need like $5-600 available
15:23 <@Evilpig> enterprise won't take a debit card either
15:24 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Yes they will
15:24 <+eryc> also i rented from enterprise with a debit card
15:24 <+eryc> heh
15:24 <@Dagmar> I've rented from Enterprise within the last year actually
15:24 <@Evilpig> when I was in vegas I heard some dude try to rent a car and they wouldn't do it on his check card
15:24 <@ShadowHntr> Evilpig: i used a debit card with enterprise
15:24 <+eryc> maybe the requirement is debit card + not being a bitch
15:24 <@ShadowHntr> last year
15:24 <@ShadowHntr> before i turned 25
15:24 <@Dagmar> I do *not* use a "credit card".
15:25 <+eryc> the look on the enterprise guys face when i returned the suv after burningman was priceless
15:25 <@Dagmar> heh
15:25 <+eryc> "uhhh.. holy fuck man. theres gonna be a fee for this"
15:25 <@Dagmar> You should st least wash it if you're bringing it back filthy
15:25 <@Dagmar> Heh $12 fee
15:25 <@Evilpig> http://enterprise.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/enterprise.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=74&p_created=1120581632&p_sid=Bhbf*wej&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAsMTAmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9ZGViaXQ*&p_li=&p_topview=1
15:26 <@Evilpig> oh crap.  ~minilink
15:26 <@Dagmar> ~minilink
15:26 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/custhelp.com/uTXGQ.php
15:26 <+eryc> well the inside was a litle dusty too and i didnt feel like vacuuming
15:26 <+eryc> i think i got pegged for a 100 or so
15:26 <+eryc> *shrug* i was really stoned
15:27 <+eryc> and reno sucks
15:27 <+eryc> though i'll probably do the same routine when i go again
15:28 <+eryc> next time i'll be more careful with the interior
15:28 <+eryc> i make enough money to not really give a shit.
15:28 <@juice> Dagmar, actually I knew one place that was 27 and up
15:28 <@juice> for car rental
15:29 <@juice> yes you are right
15:29 <@Dagmar> Well, I will say that I've talked an agent who was convinced they didn't take debit cards to *take* my debit card
15:29 <@juice> i can rent a car now yeah
15:29 <@Dagmar> The system can't tell the difference.
15:29 <@juice> that was like 21 isn't the perfect age
15:30 <@juice> 25 is
15:30 <@juice> lol
15:30 <@juice> avis will rent cars to 21 year olds
15:30 <@Dagmar> juice: Just remember, you _always_ want the Collision Damage Waiver.
15:30 <@juice> however it's like 200 dollar deposit
15:30 <@juice> k
15:30 <@Dagmar> It's like $12-15 for the CDW.
15:30 <@Dagmar> ...and it's basically an "It's not my fault" insurance.
15:30 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter what happens to the car.
15:30 <@Dagmar> If you paid for that, you just take them what's left of it and answer a few questions and you are done.
15:31 <@juice> nice
15:31 <@juice> well I am off
15:31 <@juice> later
15:32 < nated0g_wrk> guy just posted up a geocache...in the middle of the mississippi river
15:32 <@Catonic> nice
15:32 < nated0g_wrk> its on a island but if it floods anymore it will be in the river. he said he tied it to a tree
15:33 <@Catonic> obviously without a clue as to how permanent any island in the mississippi is.
15:33 <+eryc> http://gemal.dk/blog/2008/09/09/intercept_http_traffic_from_firefox_extensions/
15:36 <+eryc> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/09/mona_lisa_cannon.html
15:36 <@Catonic> http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeofAlabama/1975/13A-14-2.htm <- scary.
15:36 <@Catonic> 13A is the criminal code.
15:38 <@Catonic> anyone heard from dc0de?
15:41 <+eryc> hes in jail for possesion
15:41 <@Dagmar> lets not start that nonsense again
15:41 <+eryc> it was pretty funny
15:42 <@rhia> Dagmar: tried to rent the vehicle in TX - on the counter of the rental desk was an engraved plaque: No Debit Cards.
15:42 <@Dagmar> rhia: Too bad for them
15:42 <@ziplock> I heard from dc0de last night, no news from him though
15:42 <@Dagmar> If they have an electronic registration system, you can *often* skate around that shit
15:42 <@Dagmar> Just put in all the numbers and pay for it in advance and they almost never figure it out until it's too late.
15:43 <+eryc> also texas is not part of america so that doesnt count
15:43 <@Dagmar> You people are hackers.
15:43 <@Dagmar> Surely you can social engineer or skate around debit card restrictions.
15:43 <@Dagmar> o.O
15:44 <+eryc> dont call me surely
15:44 <@Catonic> eryc: whatever shirley
15:44 <@Dagmar> Hell, I used to help people skate around that stuff when I worked at CuC.
15:47 <@rhia> Dagmar: wasn't worth the hassle, needed to drive to Baton Rouge, didn't want to take the old truck - last minute thought - ran into the No Debit a few places of last minute inquiry, said fuck it, saved the rental fee and drove the truck anyway
15:48 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Get your AP working right?
15:48 <@rhia> that was not a hill i wanted to die on that day
15:48 <@Dagmar> rhia: Ah...
15:48 <@Dagmar> rhia: Long trips rental agencies are for some reason not to keen on is probably part of it
15:48 <+eryc> its pretty flat from texas to baton rouge
15:49 <+eryc> id guess the old truck was fine
15:49 <@rhia> some rolling 'hills' in east tx, but yeah, pretty flat
15:49 <@Dagmar> ...but I've seriously picked up a car and had the agent say "Hmm... we don't accept debit cards, but if it's in the system pre-paid, I'm not going to worry about it."
15:50 <@Dagmar> YOu just have to have enough cash in the debit account to accommodate the "hold" they put on the card.
15:50 <@rhia> eh, if we were planning a trip, yeah - pre-pay, yadda yadda
15:50 <@Dagmar> The system can't apparently otherwise tell that you're using a debit card.
15:50 <@Dagmar> rhis: You can pre-pay in five minutes with a web browser.  :)
15:50 <@Dolemite> I always rent a car with a credit card that automagically covers any damage, thereby saving the ridiculous $12/day CDW.
15:50 <@rhia> just added in the observation
15:51 <@Dagmar> I dunno about "ridiculous"
15:51 <@Dagmar> You literally can just bring them "whatever's left of the vehicle" and the that $12 means you're done.  :)
15:51 <@Dolemite> Yes, it's ridiculous.  If you already have car insurance, it's ridiculous to pay for additional insurance.
15:51 <@Dagmar> ...although I imagine they might insist on you giving them the police report number for something like that
15:52 <@Dagmar> The $12 means paying no deductible at all.
15:52 <@Dolemite> I have literally brought a vehicle back to Avis with a large hole in the rear driver's side door where a piece of debris in the road hit it and told them to take it up with VISA.
15:52 <@Dolemite> I paid no deductible and it wasn't claimed against my insurance.
15:52 <@Dagmar> VISA definitely had your back there.
15:52 <@Dolemite> VISA paid for it.  That's part of what having a gold card is about.
15:53 <@Dagmar> I have no such fancy card, so I spend the $12.
15:53 <@Dagmar> I've brought a car back with a massive crack in the front windshield that looked like a bad windshield installation to me.
15:53 <@Dolemite> And I spend my extra $12/day on fancy drinks served in coconut shells with little bamboo umbrellas.
15:54 <@Dagmar> Pfft... Married people.
15:54 <@Dagmar> I'll spend my $12 on girls in bikinis to pour said drinks in my mouth while sitting on my lap, and skip the umbrella.
15:55 <@Dolemite> If you can get a girl to do that for $12, you may want to save $2 of that for some sanitizer.
15:55  * Dolemite throws a bottle of Purell at Dagmar
15:55 <@Dagmar> Hell, the girls at Cheetah's will do it for $10
15:55 <@Dolemite> ok, time to go pick up the youngun'
15:55 <@Dolemite> later, kids
15:56 <@Dagmar> Vegas definitely has a higher class of stripper than most cities.
15:57 <@rhia> that's like saying DC has a higher class of bureaucrat that most cities - the professionals flock to certain areas ;)
15:57 <@Dagmar> Seriously you can ask rattle.
15:58 <@Dagmar> Cheetah's has to be the nicest gentlmen's club I've ever seen
15:58 <@rhia> got one here in Dallas that was just voted best in the nation
15:58 <@Dagmar> Nice
15:58 <@rhia> whoo hoo Big D .
15:58 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: and where is this? DC?
15:58 <@Dagmar> I know I was just blown away by the fact that their bar had normal bar prices.
15:59 <@Dagmar> ShadowHunter: I think they may have a Cheetah's there.  I never got around to going to the one in SF.
15:59 <@ShadowHntr> ahhh.
15:59 <@ShadowHntr> just curious hehehehe
15:59 <@ShadowHntr> :)
15:59 <@Dagmar> To find that the place was basically a dim-sum bar of strippers was also another nice one
16:00 <@Dagmar> It's also telling that the tone of hte place was basically a whole bunch of guys cheering non-stop, not hooting and catcalling
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16:00 <@Dagmar> Like.. ."WOOOO!  YAY NAKED!"
16:01 <@Dagmar> I can't stand sleazy
16:03 <@ShadowHntr> lol
16:03 <@ShadowHntr> i remember my first time to a strip bar
16:03 <@ShadowHntr> Call of the Wild in Poplar Bluff, Missouri
16:07 <@Dagmar> THat name sounds kinda like they're advertising a sideline
16:09 <@ShadowHntr> *shrug*
16:12 <+eryc> which strip club won best in nation?
16:13 <+eryc> dallas has some hot stippers
16:15 <@I-MOD> who do you think the dallas cowboys uses as their cheerleaders?
16:15 < M0j0-j0j1> cafe risque
16:15 <@ShadowHntr> ROFLMAO
16:15 <@ShadowHntr> :)
16:16 < M0j0-j0j1> hey! nothing is hotter than a stripper who you've seen on a milk carton
16:17 < M0j0-j0j1> j/k
16:17 <@Drag0n> unless your the reason they are on the milk carton in the first place
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16:18 < M0j0-j0j1> bloodhound gang has a song about all that
16:18 < M0j0-j0j1> it's awesome..
16:22 <@rhia> eryc: The Lodge
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16:30 <@rhia> schoolhouse rock dvd coming out .... can relive all the childhood earworms and pass them on to a new generation
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16:33 < nated0g_wrk> hopefully its remastered
16:33 < nated0g_wrk> and not crappy video
16:33 <+eryc> ilm did the fx
16:36 <+eryc> clip of it on yt
16:36 <+eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
16:37 <@poiupoiu> when does the deathstar blow up?
16:39 <@poiupoiu> have they replaced objects with walkie-talkies?
16:56 <@poiupoiu> wow... i killed the conversationg good!
16:57 <@brimstone> kstart ranting about wow and it'll pick back up
16:57 <@poiupoiu> can't we talk about something good? like pie?
16:59 <+eryc> the new hunter pets are so awesome
17:03 <@Evilpig> pie isn't good
17:03 <+MaxieZ> cause hunter's really needed love
17:03 <@Evilpig> mmmm core hound
17:05 <@Evilpig> my buddy jay is wanting me to fix this laptop so he can play wow on it.  how much of a dick would I be if I loaded ubuntu on it and told him that I heard wow could run on it.  he just would have to figure out how
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17:12 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: You're on the PTR now?
17:17 <@Evilpig> yeah
17:17 <@Evilpig> I have evilpig on there
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17:45 <@rhia> here's a qestion to all nashville and extended area peoples:  if houston and greater TX, and all other cities feeding from the eastern pipeline didn't have a gas crisis after hurricane ike..... why did nashville?
17:46 <@Catonic> ...
17:46 <@Catonic> PROFIT
17:46 <@rhia> the only gas issue in houston was the stations had no POWER to pump the gas
17:46 <@Dagmar> Two reasons
17:46 <@rhia> Catonic: ONLY nashville?
17:46 <@Dagmar> Nashvillians are dumbasses who easily panic and go into "Every Man For Himself" mode
17:46 <@rhia> the gas is there
17:47 <@Dagmar> ...and compounded by this are a disporportionately high number of SUVs in Nashville.
17:47 <@rhia> Dagmar: that's encouraging
17:47 <@tcstool> Yeah the people on the news who were sitting in line waiting for gas looked like the kind of people who had time to do it
17:47 <@Dagmar> rhia: We're at an *end* of said pipeline
17:47 <@Dagmar> Atlanta is now starting to hurt
17:47 <@rhia> nah, dallas/ft worth outnumbers nash in gas guzzlers 20 to 1
17:47 <@Catonic> meh. it's all artificual
17:47 <@Catonic> i kunt speel
17:47 <@Dagmar> It's not about fuel economy
17:48 <@rhia> i'm thinking it's more a lack of a secondary line, that nash vetoed, and enough holding tanks
17:48 <@Dagmar> It's about the sheer volume of space left to fill when people run around with their tanks under half empty most of the time
17:48 <@rhia> so, nash has a higher percentile of sheer idiots per capita?
17:48 <@Dagmar> I can't argue against that
17:49  * rhia hugs nash2600 .... sheesh
17:49 <@Dagmar> Remember, I saw people queuing in a line that was 50 yards long yesterday *that didn't have to* if they had gone just about three blocks further
17:49 <@Dagmar> Looks like they got in the line becuase they thought they *had* to and didn't bother to look further
17:50 <@tcstool> Yeah
17:50 <@tcstool> somethimes I think people around here do stuff like that just to bitch about it later
17:52 <@rhia>  . . .
17:52 <@Dagmar> Wow you should check CNN
17:52 <@rhia> um.... so... whyfore so many of you smart hacker types are still in/back in nashville?
17:52 <@Dagmar> Cafferty has some people sending NASTY anti-McCain wmails
17:52 <@Dagmar> It's cheap to live here
17:52 <@tcstool> Hey I live in Cookeville
17:53 <@tcstool> Where it's even cheaper
17:53 <@tcstool> Plus we have gas
17:53 <@rhia> well, kennesaw and cumming are cheaper than atl, but they're still "atl"
17:54 < Falun> rhia: only slightly
17:54 < Falun> and Cookeville is more removed than kennesaw/cumming iirc
17:54 <@rhia> Falun: for the most part
17:54 <@rhia> ahhh
17:54 <@tcstool> that's true
17:54 <@Dagmar> Ya'll are in the middle of fucking nowhere
17:54 <@tcstool> I'm in about the middle of nowhere
17:54 <@rhia> that i'll give to... not much on tn
17:55 <@rhia> much up on tn, that is
17:55 <@Dagmar> ...or at least close enough to see it from the rooftops.
17:55 <@rhia> that's why i ask
17:56 <@rhia> and you guys are barely cheaper than dfw
17:56 <@Dagmar> When I was in college, Cookeville had a theatre that could show two films at once, and they were proud of it
17:56 <@rhia> just barely
17:56 <@rhia> dfw is just barely (under4%) cheaper than atl
17:56 <@Drag0n> this nowhere is a very popular state, lots of people live in the middle of it
17:57 <@rhia> but how many electorial votes does state nowhere have?
17:57 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Brownian motion
17:57 <@tcstool> Dagmar:  Hey now we've got a 12 screen theater
17:57 <@Drag0n> dag, leave your laundry out of this
17:57 <@tcstool> That old theater is a marketing firm now
17:58 <@rhia> so, whyfore not move to larger areas, with more opportunities? (actually, a serious question - CoL is extremely comparable)
17:58 < Falun> rhia: TN has 11 iirc
17:59 < Falun> if that's the nowhere you're talking about
17:59 <@rhia> Falun: 11? ... oh, i meant specifically state "nowhere"
17:59 <@rhia> as in, i grew up in the middle of nowhere, etc etc
17:59 <@Drag0n> well, they have a real nowhere man
18:00 <@rhia> living in his nowhere land
18:00 <@Drag0n> but does he have a hole in his pocket?
18:00 <@rhia> reading erehwon
18:01 <@rhia> *crickets*
18:01 <@rhia> the old people just went over the young'uns heads
18:01  * Drag0n heads off to his yellow submersible
18:02  * Catonic needs love
18:02 <@rhia> beatles - long hairs, 60's radical muscians
18:03 <@Catonic> I wish I had the disk space to archive all my father's CDs
18:03 <@Catonic> 330...
18:03 <@tcstool> Your father owns CDs?
18:03 <@tcstool> My father still owns LPs
18:03 <@Catonic> roughly 1.5TB...
18:03 <@Catonic> I get my technical skills from my father.
18:03 <@Catonic> From my mother, I got OCD.
18:04 <@tcstool> My father is actually fairly technical, just stubborn when it comes to adopting new technology
18:04 <@Catonic> it'sfunny watching that transition, isn't it?
18:05 <@ziplock> heh
18:05 <@Catonic> master of tech, middlin about tech, minion of tech.
18:05  * ziplock is an old man
18:05 <@Catonic> my rather has 88s.
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18:05 <@Catonic> *father
18:06 <@tcstool> It definitely is
18:08 <@rhia> still a serious question  - why nashville?  atl would/could have had a much larger base if someone besides rockit tried to organize it (*(
18:08 <@tcstool> Less dangerous ghetto?
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18:08 <@rhia>  (*)we had to pull out due to family issues that took us to redstick LA, then to DFW)
18:08 <@Catonic> I think tcs is on to something
18:09 <@rhia> i'm curious as to what nash offers
18:09 <@Drag0n> dont live in the ghetto
18:09 <@tcstool> Oh I'm saying for holding a con
18:09 <@Catonic> if you had no gas in ATL, you've have riots and black on black violence all over the place...
18:09 <@rhia> less    dangerous    ghettos ...  this street rat has problems with that
18:09 <@Catonic> and some of that black on black violence might spill over into black on white violence...
18:09 <@Catonic> and we can't have that.
18:09 <@Dagmar> I'll take less dangerous
18:10 <@Dagmar> Nashville is pretty fucking calm compared to a lot of cities I've seen
18:10  * Catonic is talking out of his ass obviously.
18:10 <@Drag0n> dont hold the con in the ghetto's
18:10 <@rhia> tcstool: we ran atlantacon  - successfully - for 2 years - in an atl "ghetto"
18:10 <@Catonic> What is the neighborhood of the Day's Inn Stadium?
18:10 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: That's honestly one of the *worst* parts of town, and you can throw a frisbee *to* the worst part from the roof if you try.
18:10 <@Dagmar> ...and you can see we don't get shot at
18:10 <@rhia> Dagmar: so, white methheads == less dangerous ghettos
18:11 <@Dagmar> rhia: white methheads where?
18:11 <@tcstool> Catonic:  It's getting better, we only saw 4 felonies out our room window last year
18:11 <@rhia> see above rhia comment
18:11 <@Drag0n> methheads? when did Palin's town come into this?
18:11 <@Dagmar> Hands down Atlanta has fucking seriously more dangerous areas
18:12 <@rhia> plus,  . . . i've      survived    on some of the worst streets on the east coast, atl is ... tame
18:12 <@rhia> try sleeping in doorframes in DC or KC
18:12 <@Dagmar> rhia: Well, "tame" is not a word I'd use.  I think you have just managed to avoid the really dangerous parts of ATL.
18:12 <@rhia> KC crime rate makes atl look .... like pink puppies
18:13 <@Dagmar> San Francisco has some areas near the 'loin where you don't fucking walk after dark... You run like hell.
18:13 <@tcstool> Amazingly one of the safest places I've been lately was New York City
18:13 <@rhia> Dagmar: have you slept in doorframes? eaten out of dumpsters?
18:13 <@Dagmar> rhia: Thanks I'll pass
18:14 <@rhia> i have - and atl is tame next to  . . . quite a few places i've been
18:14 <@Dagmar> ...and what's that got to do with the crime rates
18:14 <@rhia> that you were in places to run from ... i lived in those in numerous cities
18:15 <@tcstool> There's places like that everywhere really
18:15 <@rhia> stared down the barrel of a double loaded shotgun?  i have
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18:16 <@Dagmar> rhia: Hey good for you.  People don't point shotguns at me
18:16 <@rhia> this started as a simply fact finding ... why nashville?  what does nash have to pull people back? friends? family? familiarity?
18:16 <@Dagmar> It's cheap to live in.
18:16 <@rhia> Dagmar: young==stupid
18:16 <@rhia> Dagmar: see above on cheap
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18:17 <@Dagmar> Let me know when you resume making sense
18:17 <@rhia> Dagmar: let me know when you want answer a sincere question
18:17 <@Dagmar> What part of "It's cheap to live in" is confusing you
18:17 <@Dagmar> Don't turn a poll into an argumnet.
18:17 <@rhia> Dagmar: see above on cheap
18:18 <@Dagmar> What the fuck is that supposed to mean??
18:18 <@rhia> you moved back from somewhere in the SF area.... why back to nash specifically? atl / dfw/ quite a few others were comparable
18:18 <@rhia> family? friends? comfort?
18:18 <@Dagmar> Holy shit no ATL is not comparable
18:19 <@Dagmar> Not by a long shot
18:19 <@rhia> atl is 5% or less than nashville
18:19 <@Dagmar> I live in a condoplex where I'm probably in the top 1% of "most dangerous people" and it overlooks the river, is 11 miles from downtown, and costs me a whole $700 a month.
18:20 <@tcstool> Heck yeah you can't beat that
18:20 <@Dagmar> To get that in Atlanta, I would have to be WAY further out
18:20 <@Dagmar> ...or live in a one bedroom or "economy" apartment and get to possibly climb over bums to leave for work
18:20 <@rhia> or know the area ... so, knowledge of the area weighted the decision?
18:20 <@Dagmar> That's two strikes
18:21 <@Dagmar> I've been to Atlanta enough times that I don't have to consult road maps anymore.
18:21 <@Dagmar> Nashville is chepaer.
18:21 <@rhia> i can show you 10 areas, downtown, that are safe and easily accessible for comparable prices
18:21 <@Dagmar> I can tell you that I don't give a fuck what you can show me
18:21 <@Dagmar> You asked.
18:21 <@Dagmar> I answered.
18:21 <@Dagmar> Now you want to *argue* with my answer.
18:21 <@Dagmar> What the fuck
18:21 <@Dagmar> You asked WHY we did these things
18:21 <@rhia> by 5% ... and the pay is .... 10 % higher?
18:21 <@Dagmar> You did not ask which of these cities is this, or whether or not such and such is avcailable
18:22 <@Dagmar> You wanted to know WHY
18:22 <@rhia> Dagmar: not just YOU ... didn't sort you out
18:22 <@Dagmar> You might as well argue about whether or not I acutally like caffiene
18:22 <@rhia> asking for the thought process behind the decisions
18:22 <@rhia> sheesh ....  just trying to figure out why you went back to nash over dfw, or richmond, or atl, or orlando, or whatever
18:23 <@tcstool> I know why I stay here, not that it has bearing on him
18:23 <@Dagmar> ...and again, because it's cheap to live in.
18:23 <@tcstool> There's plenty of work within relative commuting distance
18:23 <@Dagmar> In many, many ways.
18:23 <@tcstool> It is DEFINITELY cheap
18:23 <@Dagmar> I sure as hell wouldn't go to Orlando.  Too much Disney-or-Methheads going on there
18:23 <@rhia> fine, but cheaper to live vs cheaper pay doesn't always pan out
18:23 <@tcstool> and there's plenty to do while maintaing the small town feel
18:24 <@tcstool> I don't think the pay is that bad here
18:24 <@rhia>   i JUST ASKED A QUESTION, ok?  seriously.... i'm asking
18:24 <@sdodson> <@Dagmar> I live in a condoplex where I'm probably in the top 1% of "most dangerous people"  WTF does that mean?
18:24 <@Dagmar> rhia: Feel free to look up cost of living indices
18:24 <@Dagmar> Nashville is in a pretty good spot on that curve
18:24 <@Dagmar> rhia: Then WHY do you keep *arguing* with the answers
18:24 <@rhia> we're wanting to move back to the east coast cuz of friends and family ... and mountains
18:24 <@Dagmar> "<rhia> fine, but cheaper to live vs cheaper pay doesn't always pan out" <-- this is a rebuttal
18:24 <@tcstool> Yeah and if you can make enough to pay your bills and have some fun, then who cares
18:24 <@sdodson> YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
18:25 <@Drag0n> she is trying to understand the answers, asking for more detail
18:25 <@rhia> Dagmar: i'm not arguing the answers - YOU are
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18:25 <@sdodson> Woot, free ice cream if you ride the bus!
18:28 <@Dagmar> If you're trying to find somewhere to move to, you can' tmake that decision based on purely one thing or another
18:28 <@Dagmar> ...because at the end of the day, you have to fucking live there.
18:28 <@rhia> it's cheap (about 3.5% over nashville, comparatively cheap, that is) to live in DFW, but ... friends and family are .... too far away .... we want to move back for PERSONAL reasons... if it were "live where cheapest" ... DFW is CHEAPER than ATL ....        i seriously am curious, not argumentative
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18:28 <@Dagmar> If money matters (and right now, I would say that unless you want to be sleeping in doorways again, it should _really_ matter) then find some places that are within 10% of each other and then go with the one you *like*
18:28 <@rhia> Dagmar: not every disagreement you have online is an argument ... this is one of them
18:29 <@Dagmar> Look rhia, when you ask people why they do something, and they tell you, and then you come back with a rebuttal to it, don't be suprised if people view it as starting an argument.
18:29 <@rhia> and nash/atl/and dfw are ALL betweeen 10%
18:29 <@tcstool> there's a hell of a lot less competition for jobs here
18:29 <@Dagmar> rhis: So pick which one you like and roll with it
18:29 <@rhia> Dagmar:      chill
18:29 < Falun> um, where is dfw?
18:29 < Falun> dallas ft worth
18:29 <@rhia> Dagmar:    go back, reread, listen
18:29 < Falun> nevermind
18:29 <@rhia> Falun: yup
18:30 <@Dagmar> ...although if you can drill down further I would *really* recommend not picking whichever one has the most dependence on tourism/luxuries
18:30 <@Catonic> stop, collaborate, and listen.
18:30 <@Dagmar> I am not entirely certain this "bailout" is going to do a damn thing
18:30 <@Dagmar> ...and people will begin panicking soon.
18:30 <@rhia> Dagmar: this is NOT a fight, it's simply a picking of brains I ADMIRE about why they choose what they choose
18:31 <@rhia> Catonic: tack
18:31 <@rhia> Catonic: thanks, iow
18:31 <@sdodson> I'm afraid I have to side iwth Dagmar here.
18:31 <@Drag0n> nice, nice, mabey?
18:31 <@rhia> sdodson: you're troll fails
18:31 <@sdodson> rhia: your spell fails
18:32 <@rhia> sdodson: and your trolling fails ... lolspeak or normal ... it fails, gwnkthxbai
18:32 <@sdodson> wot?
18:38 <@sdodson> What are decent mortgage rates these days? 15 and 30 yrs
18:39 <@tcstool> Everything right now is between 5.75 and 6%
18:39 <@sdodson> Sweet, sounds like I've received decent offers then.
18:40 <@tcstool> Yeah
18:40 <@tcstool> I did some looking around recently
18:40 <@sdodson> I filled out some lendingtree thingy
18:41 <@sdodson> 5.73 - 5.93.
18:41 <@tcstool> yeah I used them when we bought our house
18:41 <@tcstool> It was pretty helpful
18:41 <@sdodson> Good experience?
18:41 <@sdodson> Any gotchas I should know of?
18:41 <@Drag0n> lendingtree will spam you for years now
18:41 <@sdodson> I wonder if now is a bad time to buy.
18:41 <@tcstool> absolutely, although some of those people were quite persistent
18:41 <@tcstool> that was the only annoying thing
18:42 <@tcstool> we did get hooked up with a pretty good company who quickly sold our mortgage to shitty old Citimortgage before we even closed
18:42 <@tcstool> But at least dealing with them to get all the initial BS done was really smooth
18:42 <@sdodson> I wonder if there's less of that going on now.
18:43 <@tcstool> I'm not sure
18:43 <@tcstool> CNBC was reporting that Citi is one of the stable banks right now
18:43 <@tcstool> so I wonder how many mortages they'll buy up from the government
18:44 <@sdodson> I think this girl on okcupid has a beard.
18:49 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j1: who you flying with?
18:59 < M0j0-j0j1> sdodson: yer mom?
18:59 < M0j0-j0j1> let me check
19:00 <@sdodson> I think I committed to going to DC with a friend, so I'm not sure i'll be at pn.
19:01 < M0j0-j0j1> NW
19:02 <@sdodson> think i'll go watch heroes and try to figure out why people like it
19:03 < M0j0-j0j1> sdodson: I just for 5.5% with SunTrust
19:03 <@Dagmar> One word: GOLD.
19:04 < M0j0-j0j1> Heroes is the bomb
19:04 < M0j0-j0j1> save the cheerleader... save the world
19:04 <@Dagmar> FuCK
19:05 <@Dagmar> YTou SUCK
19:06 < M0j0-j0j1> Dagmar: medication?
19:07 <@Dagmar> You made me think I missed being able to set the PVR
19:07 <@Dagmar> Bastard.  lol
19:07 < M0j0-j0j1> just download it off usenet like everyone else
19:09 < M0j0-j0j1> sdodson: if he was a real friend he'd be going to pn.  They still have cheap tickets on NW
19:10 <@Dagmar> Well, at least Big Bang Theory is on
19:10 <@Dagmar> ...which is *damn* funny
19:10 < M0j0-j0j1> sdodson: you can intertain me on my lay over in Detroit
19:10 < M0j0-j0j1> nerdcore!
19:11 <@Dagmar> Nerdcore or not it's a genuinely funny show
19:11 <@Dagmar> ...and it's nice to see something that ISN'T wall to wall fart jokes.
19:11 < M0j0-j0j1> oh, I love it... nerdcore would be a complement.
19:11 <@sdodson> Dagmar: damn i forgot to set that up to record
19:11 < M0j0-j0j1> it has it's share of low humor
19:11 <@Dagmar> Hell, Sheldon makes me feel like a paragon
19:12 < M0j0-j0j1> I love the full version of the theme song
19:14 <@Dagmar> I already ordered the season one DVD
19:14 < M0j0-j0j1> "They all died. They froze their asses off." is the best line about a dinosaur ever.
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19:18 <@Dagmar> I wonder
19:18 <@Dagmar> Is there a moral obligation to tell someone they've had too much caffiene?
19:19 <@Dagmar> Some freshman next door was getting a latte, and had CLEARLY already had too much caffiene
19:20 < M0j0-j0j1> freshman.... I'd say... not really
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19:20 < M0j0-j0j1> this will be an educational experience.
19:21 <@Dagmar> It took me a moment to realize what was prickling at my awareness there.
19:21 <@Dagmar> Had she not been ordering a coffee I would have thought she was just a tweaker
19:23 < M0j0-j0j1> you should tell her she's looking a little chunky and offer her one of your awesome diet pills... ephedrine.
19:25 < M0j0-j0j1> (and that kids; is why uncle M0j0 doesn't ever recommend saying "I'm a little tired" when hanging out with rock stars.)
19:26 <@Dagmar> hah
19:26 <@Dagmar> She didn't appear to wobble, so I had to rule out meth
19:26 <@Dagmar> It may well be she was already taking a lot of diet pills.  She was pretty thin
19:28 < M0j0-j0j1> if it wasn't for the runny nose and constant trips to the bathroom everyone else was making I would have done something with a little more kick...  I don't understand how people can continually get crap from a bad dealer and keep going back
19:29 < M0j0-j0j1> Dagmar: then it's your obligation to make sure she knows that you think she'd be hot if she could just drop a couple of those extra pounds
19:29 <@sdodson> http://politicalirony.com/2008/09/22/which-one-is-the-elitist-again/
19:29 <@Dagmar> Dude I'm morbid but you are just *mean*
19:30 < M0j0-j0j1> Dagmar: dood.. you'll be doing us all a favor by getting rid of one of the weak minded in the class before we have to suffer them entering the work force.
19:31 <@Dagmar> Umm.... no.
19:32 < M0j0-j0j1> Dagmar: If she doesn't take the word of a complete stranger to base her personal worth off of then maybe she's worth keeping around.
19:32 <@Dagmar> The brunette dye job doesn't make Willow any less cute.
19:34 < M0j0-j0j1> exactly
19:36 < M0j0-j0j1> Anyways... I guess I've got to do something nice to make up for ^
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19:37 < M0j0-j0j1> so me and my even more evil twin are going home.
19:37 < M0j0-j0j1> call me if you need bail.
19:37 < M0j0-j0j1> peace
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19:54 <@Dagmar> lol
19:55 <@Dagmar> "At the end of the day, Bimbos make me want to pretend to be a better man"
19:56 <@Dagmar> It's on.
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20:02 <+eryc> that is quite a nick
20:02 <+eryc> vomit was taken i presume?
20:06 <@Dagmar> Hhahahahaa
20:06 <@Dagmar> I guess we know where Claire gets it from then
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20:42 <@Dagmar> Oh my god
20:42 < AstralSin> yes?
20:42 <@Dagmar> Surely on a show about comic-book style superheroes, the scientist-boy wilL NOT inject himself with anything he cooked up int he lab
20:43 <@Dagmar> Such things ONLY end badly
20:52 <@Dagmar> Well, ****
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21:38 <@sdodson> Whatever asshat decided that the bios configuration screen should have a scrolling gradient at the top has clearly never used an ip kvm to configure such a machine.
21:44 <@ShadowHntr> heh
21:54 <@tzanger> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/SLRgJMY2HFI/AAAAAAAARQA/hgkZKpfWt2w/s1600-h/wedding.jpg
21:54 <@tzanger> she must have a nice personality
21:57 <@Catonic> I bet she's terminally single
21:57 <@Catonic> with a dress like that in that pose...
21:57 <@Catonic> she's pretty much screaming out "LOOK AT MAH TITS!!!!"
21:58 <@tzanger> daddy must be proud of his little princess
22:02 <@brimstone> geebus, that's what i get for only reading tzanger's text
22:04 <@aestetix> vagina
22:05 <@Catonic> I gotta get me some ah dat dere vaginer
22:07 <@aestetix> god damn you
22:07 <@aestetix> I just ran ps aux | grep vagina
22:07 <@aestetix> by accident
22:07 <@Catonic>  lmfao
22:07 <@aestetix> instead of the program I wanted
22:08 <@Catonic> what were the results? Do you have any currently running vaginas?
22:08 <@Catonic> is your vagina in a select() loop?
22:09 <@tzanger> hahaha
22:13 <@tzanger> not sure how my text made you do something you didn't want to
22:13 <@brimstone> i was expecting some fugly woman
22:13 <@tzanger> oh
22:13 <@brimstone> thought to myself "i could stand to see that"
22:13 <@brimstone> then BAM! BAM!
22:14 <@Catonic> brimstone was hit by the tit brigade
22:14 <@tzanger> http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/300x250_poker_2.gif
22:14 <@tzanger> http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/cntower.jpg
22:14 <@tzanger> http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/4058b5c229832.jpg
22:15 <@Catonic> ... why have I seen all of these already?
22:19 <@sdodson> Life is too short to deal with cheap hardware.
22:20 <@Catonic> that's why I quit fucking your mother.
22:25 <@tzanger> hahahahahaha
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22:40 <@aestetix> god I hate academics
22:43 <@sdodson> http://www.baskinrobbins.com/Nutrition/Product.aspx?Category=Beverages&id=BV228
22:44 <@sdodson> aestetix: Why's that?
22:44 <@aestetix> they are fucking pussies
22:44 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: i agree with your statement about cheap hardware. heh.
22:49 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: You should know that the vendor that brought about that statement was Sun.
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> oh rly
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> never had *any* problems with Sun
22:49 <@sdodson> aestetix: Oh, thanks for explaining the situation.
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: cheap as in poorly made or cheap as in low-priced
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> gotta be more descriptive
22:49 <@sdodson> All of the above.
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> heh.
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> never had a single problem with sun hardware.
22:49 <@ShadowHntr> if anything, the vendor i tend to avoid is Dell.
22:50 <+eryc> http://www.kontraband.com/videos/12416/The-Hardest-Game-EVER/#show/
22:55 <@aestetix> Ok.
22:55 <@aestetix> Just to clarify.
22:55 <@aestetix> I'm not in the minority by feeling completely fucked over by the Fed's decision to bail out Wall Street, am I?
22:56 <@aestetix> I think that may have been the most irresponsible move by any President, ever.
22:58 <+eryc> note that the president doesnt have the power to pass legislation
22:58 <@aestetix> But he signs it into law.
22:58 <@aestetix> And can petition Congress to pass bills.
22:59 <+eryc> it seemed to me that on one day congress was holding special sessions to deal with the crisis and the next day bush has a plan
23:00 <+eryc> so i dont understand what bush is taking credit for when congress met to work out a plan
23:00 <@maco> eryc: for standing around, looking pretty, and giving an announcement?
23:01 <@maco> ya know, minus the "looking pretty" part
23:02 <@Catonic>   http://www.kontraband.com/videos/13663/Strip-Dodgeball/
23:03 <@sdodson> yay, comcast disables usenet, yet another nail in the coffin
23:03 <@sdodson> I don't think the president was behind this
23:06 <@Catonic> where the fuck will I go for porn and videos now?!
23:07 <@Catonic> http://www.kontraband.com/videos/4582/Tongue-Tricks/ <- she has a bright future in prostitution
23:08 <@maco> sdodson: i was confused by that. is it now impossible to reach usenet if you use comcast?  because google has the usenet archives in their groups thing and you can post that way, so that doesn't make a lot of sense
23:09 <@sdodson> http://www.newraleigh.com/articles/archive/truck-lodged-bridge-peace-street/#When:13:28:31Z
23:09 <@maco> i thought maybe it meant comcast users had free subscription to the pay parts of usenet and now it wouldn't be free
23:09 <@sdodson> maco: I imagine, like Time Warner, they're just shutting down their usenet feeds. Meaning you can of course connect to other people's news servers.
23:09 <@maco> ok
23:10 <@maco> well if they're not *blocking* it...meh
23:10 <@sasquatc4> yea, they arent, i still can use mine
23:11 <@sasquatc4> if they actually blocked access i have a feeling that would be illegal
23:11 <@maco> and more FCC hearings are just what they want, i'm sure
23:11 <@maco> which reminds me...where's my damned refund for the 4 months of service comcast never gave me?!
23:12 <@sdodson> tzanger: http://flickr.com/photos/25713828@N00/2345478945/ just like that one
23:18 <@Catonic> http://www.kontraband.com/pics/13788/Hot-Disabled-Teens/ ... I bet the chicks in the middle and right get more play than "lefty"
23:18 <@Catonic> nothing says lovin like "bitch, spin on the cock like it's a pole!"
23:20 <@maco> ...
23:21 <@Catonic> maco: welcome to #se2600
23:21 <@maco> i am intrigued by what makes you say some would be more interesting than others, however a string in that link scares me away from finding out
23:22 <@maco> i expect it's a pr0n link
23:22 <@Catonic> http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/the_midget_story.phtml#2380
23:22 <@Catonic> it's sfw
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23:38 < dasunt> I'm bored.
23:40 < mrtsunami> Wow, I'd really hope something labeled "the midget story" is sfw...
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23:45 <@someninjamaster> epic fail http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naafanews/message/276
23:46 <@brimstone> What did the router say to the computer? Nothing it was not properly configured! hahaha
23:50 <@maco> mrtsunami: only slightly
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