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00:00 < cwire> if you mean in this channel and they've been to a hacker con...all
00:01 <@Catonic> drunken irc
00:02 < cwire> awesome
00:11 <@Catonic> it's called "epic drunk"
00:13 <@dasunt> Catonic: Not losing weight anymore, oddly.
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00:33 <@sdodson> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/09/10/the-windows-feedback-program.aspx
00:33 <@sdodson> The last few graphs are interesting
00:34 <@sdodson> I wish I were drunk more, then i'd have something to blame my mood on.
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03:12 <@aestetix> So uh.
03:13 <@aestetix> Any updates on PhreakNIC?
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06:47 < Shadow404> aestetix: yeah, chairs will be chained to the floor for security/safety reasons!
06:55 < Shadow404> Catonic: you up?
07:40 <@Catonic> yah
07:41 <@Catonic> my neighbor is fucking whatever cow he's dragged into bed with him.
07:45 < Shadow404> nice, large tits?
07:46 <@Catonic> At this point, I'm going to go with retarded, because I think he trying to concuss her.
07:46 <@Catonic> *he's
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07:50 < Shadow404> Catonic: nice, so any update on saturday?
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08:07 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:07 <@Dolemite> Oh, sorry, I forgot to address Shadow404.   mr0ning, be0tches, h0ez and c0ckg0blins!
08:08 < Shadow404> you betcha!
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08:17 <@rattle> Good Morning America!
08:17 <@rattle> Three fifths of your big five finance firms are either nationalized or dead.
08:18 < aestetix1> Sweet!
08:18 < aestetix1> I'm so glad I don't work in downtown NYC anymore...
08:18 <@rattle> No need for panic.  Welcome to the Ownership Society(tm)!
08:18 < aestetix1> Wait a second.
08:18 < aestetix1> This may be ignorance speaking....
08:18 < aestetix1> The Fed bailed them out, right?
08:18 <@Dolemite> Bah.  Lehman Brothers has been so marginalized in the past 10 years that I wouldn't call them a Big 5.
08:19 <@rattle> I wish people still tossed themselves out windows like in the old days...  Now that we have 24/7 news coverage, it'd be rad.  Think of the way car chases are covered in LA.  NYC would finally have a way to one up them.
08:19 < Shadow404> heh, lehman bros
08:19 < aestetix1> Isn't the Federal Reserve actually its own independent entity independent of the government, or at least government oversight?
08:19  * aestetix1 hugs Dolemite 
08:19 <@Dolemite> No, Lehman Brothers was allowed to collapse into Bankruptcy.
08:20 < aestetix1> In all honesty...
08:20 <@rattle> Technically it is an independent organization in terms of it's structure and whatnot..  But the Chairman is appointed by the President and approved by Congress.  And they do have to report to Congress anything Congress asks.
08:20 <@Dolemite> AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns were all bailed out.  Lehman Brothers went into bankruptcy and Merrill Lynch was bought by Bank of America.
08:20 < aestetix1> This is what Americans get for buying mortgages given to people who can't afford them.
08:21 < Shadow404> barclay is set to buy lehman bros.
08:21 <@rattle> Shadow404: Parts of it..
08:21 < aestetix1> I have the sudden urge to buy a house.
08:21 <@rattle> Lehman is full on fire sale.
08:21 < Shadow404> aestetix1: and then not afford and walk away from the payments?
08:21 <@Dolemite> Actually, right now is an excellent time to buy a house if you can manage to get a loan, because the price have fallen so much.
08:22 <@Dolemite> Getting the loan right now is what will be the tricky part.
08:22 < aestetix1> Dolemite: bingo.
08:22 < Shadow404> Dolemite: unless you pay an enormous down payment from your savings or other save funding source
08:22 < aestetix1> This is where my problem comes up.
08:22 < aestetix1> I don't have bad credit. I have no credit.
08:22 < Shadow404> aestetix1: same here
08:22 < Shadow404> try credit unions to get a credit card
08:23 < Shadow404> make at least one payment on it a month
08:23 < Shadow404> and start building
08:23 < aestetix1> Although I have a job with a healthy salary, and have no gaps in my employment for the last couple years...
08:23 < Shadow404> i also got a loan for my engagement ring from the credit union as well
08:23 < aestetix1> Now if they can be nice and ignore the huge john draper teeth gaps before that...
08:24 < Shadow404> aestetix1: why you gotta keep bringing your bf into things?
08:25  * aestetix1 shudders
08:25 <@Catonic> thats not right
08:25 <@Catonic> draper only likes little boys
08:26 < aestetix1> True. No girl has *ever* said I'm little.
08:26 < aestetix1> Then again, I'm no match for Big Dick Shadow
08:27 < Shadow404> shit!!, why the fuck do non-profit companies sometiems have the most retarted IT that outsource everything but internal shit
08:27 < aestetix1> I've been a bad boy.
08:27 < aestetix1> My punishment: watching the promo videos of crappy startups from techcrunch50.com
08:27 < Shadow404> im talking to this guy about why his email is being blocked when he migrated his IP's to our range because he doesnt have ptrs set
08:27 < Shadow404> and he thinks im talking another language
08:27 <@Catonic> yup... such is the way of a 501c3...
08:28 <@rattle>                  
08:28 <@rattle> 125 days, 3 hours, and 31 minutes until we have a new president.
08:28 < Shadow404> rattle: agreed
08:28 <@Catonic> rattle: how long before it doesn't matter?
08:28 < Shadow404> Catonic: sooner
08:28 < aestetix1> rattle: unless someone nukes Iran and declares martial law
08:31 < ware>   ________________________________________________
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08:31 < aestetix1> thanks
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08:32 < ware> wrong chan
08:32 < ware> but wuzzup
08:32 <@oddball> you beat me to it
08:32 <@Catonic> Yeah, go figure, I can type fast sometimes.
08:33 <@oddball> well, I also had to click on the window, change which screen window I was in...
08:33 <@oddball> Oh, and it's not quite a twitch reaction with me
08:34 < ware> yall r dum
08:35 < aestetix1> http://www.techcrunch50.com/2008/conference/presenter.php?presenter=76
08:35 < aestetix1> Ok. This one is pretty fucking cool.
08:38 < aestetix1> I can actually see this becoming the future of graffiti
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08:40 < aestetix1> jesus
08:41 < aestetix1> how the fuck did yammer win that award
08:41 < aestetix1> this is awesome
08:41 <@Dolemite> Well let's hope that HR 6869 gets passed into law.  DHS is out of control with all of their undocumented procedures with no recourse.
08:44 <@Catonic> we reap what we sow.
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08:47 <@Dolemite> just emailed my congressman urging him to support it
08:47 <@Dolemite> Of course, it's a bill put forth by a Democrat, and my Congressman is a Democrat, so there should be less resistance than from my Senators, who are both Republican.
08:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Yay, Comcast being down for 12 fucking hours
08:48 < aestetix1> Can someone switch ware to comcast?
08:48 <@oddball> It wasn't a city-wide outage.
08:49 <@oddball> (I didn't experience any outage)
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08:50 < aestetix1> http://www.forwordinput.com/
08:50 < aestetix1> god this is cool
08:52 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: No, I suspect not.
08:53 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: otherwise they would have had a fire lit under their britches to fix it
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08:55 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: this problem happened last September, and it took them 2 months to find and fix it
08:56 <@oddball> damn
08:56 <@Corydon76-dig> I have a service call today, and if they don't fix it to my satisfaction, I've saved the information from last time, and I'm going to call a tech directly
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08:58 <@Corydon76-dig> In the end, I could never get a straight answer as to what exactly needed to be fixed, so I would guess that it was something stupidly simple, and they embarassed that they didn't check it sooner
08:58 <@oddball> gotcha
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09:10 < Shadow404> FFS
09:10 < Shadow404> this non profit group is retarted
09:11 < Shadow404> guy calls himself network admin in the signature and im having to spelll out what a dns name is so i can setup a reverse ptr so he can send mail to other ISP's
09:12 <+MaxieZ> DNS is above layer 3 man.   Talk to the hand
09:12 < Shadow404> heh
09:28 <@Catonic> the hand is busy in the pants.
09:28 <@Catonic> talk to the feet.
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09:29 <@Catonic> I wonder how many houses you could link together with BGP and gig-e in the 10.x.x.x space.
09:32 <@Jagobah> over 9000
09:32 <@Jagobah> :P
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09:36 <+MaxieZ> Well that should be fairly easy math.  You'd need 2 /30s for each house.
09:37 <+MaxieZ> You'd add two more on the ends.
09:37 <+MaxieZ> So it should be 2^(29-8)+2
09:37 <+MaxieZ> ~2&(29-8)+2
09:37 <+MxZBot> 2
09:37 <+MaxieZ> ^2^(29-8)+2
09:37 <+MaxieZ> Fuck
09:38 <+MaxieZ> ~2^(29-8)+2
09:38 <+MxZBot> 21
09:38 <+MaxieZ> Right
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09:40 <+MaxieZ> 2 to the power of 21
09:43 <+MaxieZ> So 2097154
09:43 <+MaxieZ> ~2**(29-8)+2
09:43 <@Jagobah> def. over 9000
09:43 <+MaxieZ> Bots ignoring me!
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10:22 <+MaxieZ> ls
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10:24 < aestetix1> So uh
10:24 < aestetix1> Was anyone else kind of disappointed with the DNS exploit?
10:24 < aestetix1> I concluded that Kaminsky yet again just overhyped shit
10:25 < aestetix1> Although he did put on a great show
10:26 <+MaxieZ> I thought it was a bit overhyped, but yeah.
10:26 <+MaxieZ> I didn't actually see it
10:26 <+MaxieZ> My flight made me miss his talk
10:26 < aestetix1> I have the video from the blackhat talk
10:26 < aestetix1> er defcon
10:26 < aestetix1> same difference, really
10:33  * oddball beats  his head against the desk, pauses, and looks for a PAETEC employee to beat against the desk.
10:33 < ware> haha i hate paetec too!
10:34 <@oddball> Have you had to deal with issues because the OC12 connecting Atlanta and Nashville has been shitting packets all over the place?
10:36 <@oddball> OH, and I asked if we could reroute through Luisville (like they told us we could when we signed up) and was basically told "yeah... that won't work because we're at capacity on that line already."
10:36 < aestetix1> God damnit.
10:36 < aestetix1> An accident just happened outside my house.
10:37 < aestetix1> So there are lots of horns honking and angry people shouting.
10:42 < aestetix1> A poor little puppy just died.
10:48 <@SkyDog_> Them's good eatin...
10:48 <@SkyDog_> Tender...
10:49 <@Dolemite> Ugh.  I fully expect some street pizza after today's Wall Street closing.
10:50  * Corydon76-dig wonders when Congress will decide to restore the Glass Act that they repealed about 10 years ago
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> (prohibiting banking institutions from getting into other businesses)
10:55 <@I-MOD> mmmm...street pizza
11:04 <@polerin> HAH
11:04 <@polerin> FUCKING HAH.
11:04 <@polerin> The access control engine I've been working on works.
11:07 <@Catonic> Fun. I'm defending my nagios server from the corporate goons...
11:07 <@Catonic> "But it keeps saying $server is down when it's not." "Well, it's doing anywhere from 3000 - 13000 interrupts per second. It's busy, somehow, someway."
11:08 <@Catonic> that is, the monitored server is taking 10KIPS...
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11:44 < aestetix1> I don't think I've ever seen a stock market crash like this.
11:53 <@polerin> aestetix1: is it bailing again today?
11:54 <@critch> Yeah, us taxpayers just bought 80% of AIG
11:58 <@critch> Looks like a bunch of money-market accounts are screwed too
12:00 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't remember 1987?
12:01 <@critch> I don't remember the gov bailing out the market in '87
12:10 <@Evilpig> anyone know how to extract the boot image off of a bootable CD?
12:11 <@critch> yeah, it is usually a file within the filesystem
12:11 <@critch> probably a 1.44m or 2.88 meg floppy image
12:14 <@Evilpig> I don't see the file which is why I was asking
12:15 <@Evilpig> it's usually boot.bin
12:15 <@Evilpig> opened the CD with poweriso. and it sees that the CD is bootable 
12:16 < eryc> why would there be a file
12:16 < eryc> do you think that the bios mounts your cd and looks for a file?
12:17 < eryc> because it doesnt
12:17 <@Evilpig> gonna use winiso to rip the cd then I should have a file I can extract
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12:25 <+MaxieZ> Evilpig: eryc is right.  It's not a file
12:25 <+MaxieZ> It's just the first blocks on the disk
12:26 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: i just sent you some email, did I send it to the right place?
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12:38 <@Evilpig> notlarry I have nothing from you
12:39 < ware> bottle of crown ~ bottle of crown
12:39 < ware> Evilpig: what happened to <Unbalanced> ?
12:41 <@Evilpig> the xpac coming made people lazy and untimated to raid.  on top of that some of our healers were shit and we had a massive breakdown on brutallis
12:42 <@Catonic> # Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.
12:43 <@Evilpig> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?swItem=MTX-UNITY-I23839&lang=en&cc=us&idx=4&mode=4&
12:44 <@Evilpig> used that to copy the boot image from the xp cd to my thumbdrive.  now I am copying the files from the xp cd to the thumbdrive.  then i'll try to boot from it
12:44 <@Evilpig> if it works right I should have an XP cd on a thumbdrive that will let me do repair installs and shit
12:49 < ware> werd
12:49 < ware> i saw ya at teh bg place in org yesterday
13:06 <@someninjamaster> two salesmen from aig came in today
13:06 <@Dolemite> looking for a job?
13:06 <@someninjamaster> they came to the counter and i asked could i help you
13:06 <@someninjamaster> and they said they were sales reps for aig
13:07 <@someninjamaster> and i responded sorry were not taking applications
13:07 <@oddball> your response: "I'm sorry"?
13:07 <@someninjamaster> apparently they still had their jobs
13:09 <@polerin> meh
13:10 <@polerin> yeah they are looking to back out of some of the high risk stuff.. they have lots of assets just no liquidity :/
13:11 <@polerin> but I love how the government is taking care of corperations, but if you did that for a citizen it's crap.
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13:17 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: I will try to get that delivered int he morning
13:24 < ware> palins email hacked
13:27 <@Evilpig> heh.  that would be funny
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13:28 <@Dolemite> The insurance group is one of the areas that are still ok.  It's the investment banking section that screwed the pooch.
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails
13:30 < ware> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin_Yahoo_inbox_2008'
13:30 < ware> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin_Yahoo_inbox_2008
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13:31 <@coil> roger that, wilco Corydon76-dig, over.
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13:32 <@Evilpig> oh dear.  4chan was involved?  start the search for pedobears in her inbox
13:35 < ware> 4chan anonymois
13:35 <@someninjamaster> wow is wikileaks getting hammered
13:36 <@coil> wait
13:36 <@coil> i dont understand what's happening
13:36 <@coil> whos "palin"
13:36 < ware> u suck  at troll dude
13:36 <@someninjamaster> the chick running as mccains vp
13:36 <@someninjamaster> to counteract the black guy
13:37 < ware> shes there to counter hillary
13:37 <@Dolemite> To counteract any form of sanity, more like it.
13:37 < ware> and doing a fine job of it
13:37 < ware> McCain Palin 08 FTW
13:37 <@coil> oh
13:37 <@rhia> http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9083&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
13:37 <@rhia> ~minilink
13:37 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/greeknewsonline.com/3rfgD.php
13:38 < ware> coil: its grown up stuff, dont worry about it
13:38 <@coil> so now it's a popularity contest?
13:38 <@coil> yeah fu 2
13:39 < ware> We mistrust and denounce the government every step of the way, and then we demand that the government does something for us.
13:39 < ware> awesome
13:41 <@Neoteric> well that's annoying... when a vmware fusion install vister "sleeps" from inactivity it fucks up my mac host
13:42 < ware> stupid basesless opinionated pos article
13:43 <@Drag0n> right up your ally ware, you should feel right at home
13:43 <@rhia> baseless, from a Professor Emeritus of Critical Theory and Geopolitics .... yeah, he's clueless
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13:44 < ware> hes one of the loopy ones for sure
13:46 < eryc> yea never trust anyone from new jersey
13:46 <@someninjamaster> im just ready for the election to be over with
13:46 <@someninjamaster> so i can find out how much my guns will be worth
13:46 < ware> it doesnt matter who wins
13:46 <@rhia> granting a long line for the assumption that there may be a slight chance of you actually thinking that, and not just trolling (hey, feeling generous right now) .... where do you find his assertions baseless?
13:47 < ware> but id rather have a war monger in than a pussy with troops overseas
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13:47 <@polerin> yes because the way to protect US assets is to... piss MORE people off?
13:48 <@someninjamaster> i personally believe that we cant just pull everyone out at once
13:48 <@Drag0n> well, mcain is far from a war monger, to say he knows how to run a war from military experience is like saying someone can be a judge since they have been in prison for so long
13:48 <@rhia> i'd rather have food, a roof over my head, some semblance of health care, and the ability to buy gas for my car more than once every two months
13:48 < ware> polerin: youre a tranny, your vote shouldnt even count
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13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: that's a keeper
13:49 <@someninjamaster> and he comes back with another shell in 3
13:49 <@someninjamaster> 2
13:49 <@someninjamaster> 1
13:49 < eryc> fail
13:50 <@polerin> heh
13:50 <@coil> he's msg me
13:50 <@rhia> to those still for the war, go enlist ... got friends with kids on their 4th and even 5th FIFTH tours .... unconscionable
13:50 <+MaxieZ> coil: because he cares so much?
13:50 <@Drag0n> yeah, thats right up there with, i know foreign politics because i can see russia from my house
13:50 <@coil> nope
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13:51 <@critch> rhia: yes, and those wounded and patched up as fast as possible and sent back
13:51 < ware_> coil: hey fag let me fucking talk
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13:51 <+MaxieZ> I loved the whole Keith Oberman rant about McCain and his ability to catch bin Laden
13:51 <@Corydon76-dig> ware_: you should apologize to polerin first
13:51 < ware_> id rather have someone in who  will take care of our troops
13:52 <@rhia> that's definitely NOT McCain, then
13:52 <@critch> rhia: I am currently truck sitting for a friends daughter who is on her 3rd or 4th tour
13:52 <@polerin> take care of the troops, Like.. voting to cut the funding for post-deployment and post-injury care?
13:52 <@Drag0n> mcain wont take care of the troops, unless he wants them to share his experiences, from a bamboo box
13:52 <@rhia> he's with Bush on "how to care for the troops" - ignore them except as numbers on paper or to parade in front of voters for patriotism points
13:52 <@someninjamaster> rhia: have you seen where obama supports cutting funds to new weapon development
13:52 < ware_> k
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13:53 <@someninjamaster> which means our troops will be stuck with in effective weapons
13:53 <@coil> emopart
13:53 <@someninjamaster> for desert combat
13:53 <@Drag0n> not to mention, do we want someone running our economy that cant even remember how many houses he owns?
13:53 <@rhia> someninjamaster: well, have you seen how expensive this war is and how badly it's drained our economy?
13:53 <@critch> someninjamaster: what is ineffective about the current crop of weapons?
13:53 <+MaxieZ> someninjamaster: wtf?  Do you not realize we can destroy any fucking thing already?
13:53 <@Drag0n> the US government has a lot more houses
13:54 <@someninjamaster> the m4s they are useing a proven to not work well in desert combat
13:54 <+MaxieZ> When you can destroy the entire planet a few times over, I think you can pause weapon development
13:54 <@rhia> someninjamaster: they were sent in and have been ill equipped, how's that change things?
13:54 <@someninjamaster> if we can get better guns to them
13:54 <+MaxieZ> He also wants them out of there, so when you combine the two maybe that's not so bad
13:54 <@someninjamaster> then they wont be ill equiped
13:55 <@critch> someninjamaster: heh, so maybe they need to take a hint from the british and just relax tolerances on the brass to chamber and then it will tolerate a little sand in the chamber when it fires.
13:55 <@Drag0n> how about taking the guns the blackwater crew is using and give em to our military, save a tone on mecinary contracts
13:55 <@someninjamaster> http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/
13:56 <@polerin> someninjamaster: how about we not send them into harms way unless it's neccisary
13:56 <@critch> someninjamaster: and shouldn't the cost of developing new weapons really be in private hands, and then the military picks what it wants and just buys?
13:56 <@rhia> we've got an unfathomable national debt, thanks in major part to fighting on two fronts, mortgage and financial institutions failing left and right, gasoline prices skyrocketed....
13:56 <@someninjamaster> mortgage and finacials failed because of shear stupidity
13:57 <+MaxieZ> rhia: Let's not forget the best military in the world
13:57 <@Dolemite> s/stupidity/greed/
13:57 <@rhia> and more people without healthcare ... and McCain didn't mention the economy in his acceptance speech
13:57 <@Drag0n> no, due to shear greed from the big banks
13:57 <@someninjamaster> Dolemite: they run hand in hand
13:57 <@Dolemite> no, there are some mighty smart greedy people out there.  I call them Republicans.
13:57 <@rhia> someninjamaster: and deregulation that allowed them to run unfettered - way to go free market!
13:57 <@Dolemite> Unfortunately, 80% of them are only one of the two.
13:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: do you consider weasels to be smart?
13:58 <@rhia> AND, McCain's healthcare plan is to float most of the population on independent health insurance running under the same concept as the financials have for years ... brilliant
13:58 <@critch> someninjamaster: from that article, it def sounds like they need to do the rounds like the .303, leave some gap at the shoulder so it can still slide in with the dust.
13:58 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : I'm not versed enough on the intelligence of weasels to make an informed decision on that.
13:58 <@someninjamaster> critch you mean .308
13:59 <@rhia> McCain admits not knowing much about economics - and that just proves he knows less than even he thinks
13:59 <@someninjamaster> or are you talking ww2
13:59 <@critch> someninjamaster: no the .303
13:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: I'd say most of the greedy Republicans share intelligence with weasels.  Not so smart, but clever
13:59 <@critch> someninjamaster: yes I am talking even older than ww2
13:59 <@someninjamaster> i thought the .308 had a gap too
13:59 <@critch> I don't know about the .308 so I can't comment
13:59 <@Drag0n> greedy and republican is redundant
14:00 <@someninjamaster> i check it out in the ammo safe tonight
14:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: I won't tar all of them.  There are a few idealists around
14:01 <@critch> someninjamaster: I just know you can't reload a .303 more than 3 times or the shoulder will seperate the next time it is fired because the shoulder gets pushed forward.
14:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: in fact, the idealism of the Republican party is arguably why they win elections
14:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: the problem isn't their ideals so much as their delivery
14:01 <@Drag0n> too bad the idealists are less than 5%
14:02 <@rhia> plus McCain is already doddering... watch him walk and the way he moves and talks, which brings up how important his VP choice is ...
14:02 <@oddball> critch, someninjamaster: I remember when that article came out... thurns out that there were some big questions about the accuracy of the tests.
14:02 <@Drag0n> but even if your intentions are honerable, if you knwingly worrk for a crook, your going to get burned
14:02 <@oddball> s/thurns/turns
14:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: swimming with the sharks is a better analogy
14:03 <@oddball> Not that the Army has ever rigged a test before...
14:03 <@Drag0n> sharks can be reasoned with
14:03 <@rhia> oh, yeah, a further right than the neocons, ultra religious dominionist who says she got her job as Governor due to being blessed by the laying on of hands from a Kenyan witch hunter evangelist
14:03 <@someninjamaster> oddball: they rigged more than half of them with the ar
14:03 <@oddball> I was being sarcastic
14:03 <@polerin> rhia: yeah tht's .. yeah.
14:03 <@rhia> http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html
14:04 <@polerin> yeah.
14:04 <@someninjamaster> personally i would like to see a move back to .45 sidearm and .308 mbr
14:04 <@Drag0n> yep, i always loved my m1911
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14:05 <@someninjamaster> i just think 9mm supports bullet spaming
14:05 <@rhia> racked up a sizable debt when mayor of a small town that had no debt before she took office, fired those who know how to do their jobs to put in family friends, .....
14:05 <@oddball> I think the move back to .45 is probably more likely than a move back to .308.
14:05 <@someninjamaster> Drag0n: for self defence i carry a 1911 on my hip and a .38 in my left front pocket
14:06 <@Drag0n> and still has yet to return the millions for the bridge to nowhere even tho she says she didnt want it?
14:06 <@polerin> left front..  are you left handed?
14:06 <@Drag0n> wonder who's pocket that went into?
14:06 <@polerin> Drag0n: she didn't want it.  She just wanted the $$
14:06 <@Drag0n> she wanted it before it was unpopular, and then she didnt when it was
14:07 <@polerin> Drag0n: I know what you meant :)
14:07 <@Drag0n> but still wanted the money
14:07 <@polerin> Drag0n: I was saying that she supported it before because it was politically expediant and was usefull as a tool to gain support from contracting and other lobbies
14:07 <@polerin> (ie, money to pay them for it == favors)
14:07 <@rhia> lots of Wassillites (sp) remember her campaigning ON getting the bridge built, then backtracking when it grew too hot politically
14:07 <@Corydon76-dig> We have another word for that kind of politician:  opportunist.
14:08 <@Drag0n> isnt that the kind of deciseon the Rebubs dinged Kerry on last time around?
14:08 <@Drag0n> i was for the war, then i wasnt for the war?
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14:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: Jon Stewart had a great bit a few weeks ago where the very same pundits were excoriating Hillary and praising Palin for exactly the same actions.
14:09 <@rhia> bottom line, she is not fit, nor ready to become VP one stopped heartbeat from President
14:09 <@polerin> Drag0n: actually, I'd say floating a major bill and then saying you wouldn't vote for it is that kind of thing
14:09 <@polerin> **cough immigration**
14:09 <+eryc> palin makes a great vp
14:10 <@rhia> dislike Hillary, but palin terrifies me
14:10 <@polerin> Back in a min, conference call
14:10 <@Drag0n> hmm, new type of waffle, the Palin waffle, not a lot of substance, a bit of nuts, and a different pattern on either side, with a side of pork
14:10 <+eryc> would have been better for mccain to pick cheney again tho
14:11 <+eryc> you dont hear people complain about cheney like they do palin
14:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Would have been better for McCain if he had picked a moderate Democrat
14:11 <@Drag0n> at least he would know what the VP job was
14:11 <@rhia> foreign policies based on "seeing Russia from Alaska" - doesn't KNOW what the Bush Doctrine is, takes cronyism to new depths, spends more wildly than even BushCo, and believes that some guy on a cloudy throne made her governor cuz some witch hunter annointed her ....
14:12 <@Drag0n> and beleives its ok to hunt wolves from heli's because they are competing with the paying customers
14:12 <@rhia> and haven't TOUCHED on making rape victims pay for the rape kit, and forcing rape and even child incest victims to carry a resulting pregnancy to term....
14:13 <+eryc> these issues are all so petty
14:13 <+eryc> we need a reformist like palin. she is god's gift to america!
14:13 <@someninjamaster> polerin: i keep it in the left front in case i get hit in my right arm
14:13 <@Drag0n> ok eryc, you go become a raped pregnant wolf in alaska, see how long you live
14:13 <@someninjamaster> and i can shoot defencive distances with eather hand
14:14 <@rhia> and some people think that it doesn't matter if she gets into the 2nd most powerful position in the country .... thought there was more rational thinking ability in this group, at least
14:15 <@remoford> which group?
14:15 <+eryc> she's hot and she likes to hunt moose!
14:15 <@Drag0n> considering that mcain has been in the hospital more times durring his run for the president than anyone can remember? yeah, realy healthy and stable
14:16 <+eryc> i would totally watch all her state of the union speeches
14:17 <+eryc> palin and deadguy 08!
14:17 <@Drag0n> then move to alaska and become one of her worshipers there
14:17 <@rhia> remoford: hackers/geeks ... people who earn their living and spend their free time thinking up and implementing working systems and stuff
14:17 <+eryc> its what america needs
14:18 <+eryc> maybe she'll get us some booth babes for congress too.. spice up cspan a bit
14:18 <@rhia> people who use their brain cells for more than american idol
14:18 <@Dolemite> It's pretty easy to get a high approval rating as governor of a state that doesn't pay income taxes and gets a $2000 royalty check every year.
14:18 <@remoford> why do you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is irrational?
14:19 <+eryc> god only gets 1 vote like everyone else
14:19 <+eryc> and god chose palin!
14:19 <@rhia> remoford: re-read that sentence ... was specific in what i stated
14:19 <@remoford> k
14:19 <+eryc> you muslim worshippers are all going to hell
14:19  * Drag0n wonders if putin is over in the kremlin going "who the hell is this palin bitch? never heard of her, and why is she looking over our fence?"
14:20 <+eryc> nah putin is like, "quick, sell more nukes to iran!"
14:21 <+eryc> "oh and send some of those nukes down to chavez while your at it"
14:21 <+eryc> we have a missile shield
14:21 <+eryc> they have an armada
14:21 <+eryc> good luck with all that!
14:22 <@Catonic> putin/palin
14:23 <@Catonic> just a t & a from russia
14:23 <@Drag0n> putin palin in here place?
14:23 <@Drag0n> her
14:23 <@Catonic> what seperates the US from Russia? A cunt named Palin...
14:23 <+eryc> China!
14:24 <@Drag0n> well, they say it was an ice bridge that linked em before, bow we have an ice bitch that keeps em apart
14:24 <@critch> heh, cheech and chong are back doing shows again?
14:24 <@Catonic> China is pretty much like we expected her... she's all nice and submissive when she wants our money, then she turns into a dominatrix and tries to put us over the candle saying she'll spend it all.
14:24 <@Catonic> Drag0n: nice
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14:27 < TheLightCosine> good afternoon se2600
14:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Afternoon, TLC
14:28 < TheLightCosine> I love the flood of 'job matches' i get in my inbox everyday, i get contacted for things I am so grossly under qualified for
14:28 <@Dagmar> p/window balance
14:29 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Wife asked for sex again, eh?
14:29 < TheLightCosine> today's top prize goes to the "Embedded Firmware Engineer" position
14:29 < TheLightCosine> dole:ouch
14:29 <@Dagmar> *sigh* Every time I turn around, the answer to Windows problems is "install Cygwin"
14:29 <@Dagmar> At least there's Net::SSH2 now
14:29 <@I-MOD> nah, ffr
14:29 <@Drag0n> i love all the hits to sell insurance from home i get in the mailbox
14:30 < TheLightCosine> heh
14:30 < TheLightCosine> yeah "insurance sales manager" my arse
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14:30 <@Drag0n> "we see your experience and a Net Engineer is strong....come sell insurance!!!!"
14:31 < Shadow404> heh, nice bot email
14:32 <@Drag0n> like this one?    <firstname> get your own wholesale warehouse
14:33 < Shadow404> heh
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14:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Afternoon, BlueCopy
14:40 < TheLightCosine> hrm, I think i'm over my head in the lastest project work wants me to try doing
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14:42 < TheLightCosine> what's a nice way to tell your boss "You don't pay me enough for this?"
14:44 <@remoford> "get stuffed"
14:45 < TheLightCosine> hrm, something a little more tactful perhaps =P
14:45 <@Drag0n> thats a little above my pay grade?
14:45 <@remoford> guess it depends on the boss
14:46 <@Drag0n> "does this come with a company car?"
14:46 <@rhia> "I see I'm moving up on the pay scale! Thanks for the raise, boss!"
14:46 < TheLightCosine> hah good one drag0n, I like the ironic subtelty of that
14:46 <@remoford> "Ok, I'll need you to authorize 60hrs of over time for this week kthx."
14:47 < TheLightCosine> They want me to put together a ASP.net webapp to centralise the scheduling functions of a few dozen shared exchange calendars for the purpose of booking VideoConferencing rooms and equipment
14:47 < TheLightCosine> now i'm sure some of you folk could probably whip that up over a weekend, but I'm not a dev
14:48 <@I-MOD> yeah, just make him approve you for massive overtime :D
14:48 <@rhia> http://shep.ca/pages/maverick.html  keeheehee
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14:53 <@Catonic> this feels odd... I'm being productive... while listening to bon jovi
14:53 <+eryc> thus proving you can be gay and productive at the same time
14:54 <+MaxieZ> That's the dark knight returns for those not in the know
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14:55 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Use Sharepoint, which integrates directly with Exchange
14:57 <@oddball> Why am I briefly tempted by this? : http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/844464437.html
14:58 < TheLightCosine> hrm intriguing Dolemite, seeing as how we use sharepoint for half the shite on our itnranet, so why don't the higher ups know this can be done
14:58 <@rhia> oddball:  low blood sugar?
14:58 <@oddball> (then I looked it up and remembered how hideous the 80's merc wagons were)
14:58 < TheLightCosine> *sigh* got to get back to the moving preparations
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14:59 <@oddball> ha! http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/844433077.html
15:00 <@rhia> that is one tricked out BBQ grill
15:00 <@oddball> damn skippy
15:01 <@oddball> also has a working fridge in it.
15:01 <@Drag0n> well, if it gets out of hand, you have the tools to deal with it
15:02 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: my patch download has finally picked up steam.  took 4 days to get the first 200MB now it is flying.  it is up to 501MB now
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15:09 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Check WowWiki and you will find mirrors over at RapidShare
15:09 <@Dagmar> Use the free download option, and it'll take multiple visits, but at least you'll get the bloody thing quickly.
15:09 <@Dagmar> I'll be going back to seeding mode tonight when I get home
15:18 <@Dolemite> what's the MSRP on Lich King?
15:19 <@Evilpig> like $20
15:20 <@Dolemite> ah that's not too bad
15:24 <@Dagmar> Twice that.
15:25 <@Dagmar> $39.99 actually
15:25 <@Dagmar> Amazon is selling for 36.99
15:25 <@Dolemite> oh poo
15:26 <@Evilpig> well i'm going collectors edition anyhow.  so I really dunno
15:26 <@Evilpig> I was on ptr looking at all the shiny new stuff
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15:26 <@Evilpig> I was very surprised to see inscription available on the ptr
15:26 <@Dagmar> Direct2Drive doesn't have it.
15:26 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: You like the new lighting/shadow methods?
15:27 <@SkyDog_> NotLarry: You around?
15:28 <@Dagmar> *all* the shipping options however, are shit.
15:29 <@Evilpig> I didn't look at it all that much.  the ptr was very unstable when I got on there 
15:29 <@Evilpig> I am annoyed that windowed mode doesn't work right
15:29 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Unstable is a good word for it.  "Fucked" is a better word, but still.
15:30 <@Evilpig> Fucked is the word we use to refer to Mal'Ganis the last few days
15:30 <@Dagmar> Oh wait...
15:31 <@Dagmar> I work the 12th, so I'll get off at 12:30am on the 13th...
15:31 <@Dagmar> Lemme see if I can pre-order from the EBGames down the street
15:31 <@Evilpig> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9879687891&sid=1&pageNo=14
15:31 <@Evilpig> 14 pages and climbing
15:32 <@Dagmar> ...and they say they're sure they'll be doing a midnight release thing
15:32 <@Evilpig> yup
15:33 <@Dagmar> So i'll pick that fucker up on the way home frm work
15:34 <@Mirage> wazzat?  Lich King release been announced?
15:34 <@Dolemite> yeah, 11/13
15:35 <@Dolemite> I *might* actually be level 70 by then
15:35 <@Dolemite> depends on whether or not I have internetz while on vacation.  heh.
15:36 <@Dagmar> Pre-order done
15:40 <@Dagmar> Damn using CPAN to install Net::SSH::Expect under Cygwin is turning into epic compiler scroll
15:41 <@someninjamaster> your going to be playing wow on vacation
15:41 <@Dolemite> I might be
15:41 < Shadow404> sad
15:41 <@Dolemite> vacation is for relaxing
15:41 <@Dolemite> so that means I won't be talking to you schmucks at all
15:42 <@Dolemite> but in reality I probably won't have high speed internetz at the condo we're staying at
15:42 < Shadow404> hey, then we can make jokes about how you got arrested
15:42  * Dagmar shudders.
15:42 <@Dolemite> Yes, make jokes about how I got arrested for molesting Cinderella at Disney World.
15:43 < Shadow404> giggity
15:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: Dolemite won't be getting cornholed, though
15:43 <@Evilpig> has anyone in here ever tried to use dd to transfer an iso image onto a flash drive?
15:43 < Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: i wouldnt know or care to know
15:43 <+MaxieZ> Evilpig: I have
15:44 <@Evilpig> will it boot?
15:44 <+MaxieZ> If there's a boot image and a bios that will do it
15:44 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : There are utilities to make a USB stick bootable
15:45 <@Evilpig> I've done that but the boot image it loaded was 98
15:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: We were thinking you would come out with the reaction, "Well, it's not the most comfortable thing in the world, but it's not as bad as I once thought."
15:45 < Shadow404> bahaha
15:45 <@Evilpig> but if I can use dd.  then I can just transfer my xp contents on there that way.
15:45 <@brimstone> Evilpig: i've not had luck with that, usually the os that boots is looking for a cd, not a usb stick
15:45 <@brimstone> Evilpig: building an xp install usb stick?
15:46 <@Evilpig> I just want to boot the fucking xp install.  this piece of shit PC has only a single sata connector and no expansion slots
15:46 <@Evilpig> and it needs a repair install
15:46 <@brimstone> ew
15:46 <@brimstone> that's doable, but not dd'ing a iso
15:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: I believe I still have permission from scotchick for your asshole, though
15:46 <@brimstone> there's guides out there too Evilpig
15:46 < Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: sarcasm
15:47  * Corydon76-dig lends Shadow404's asshole to coil
15:47 <@Evilpig> the guides are failing me
15:47 < Shadow404> coil: diaf
15:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: In fact, I'm planning on bringing my bf to PhreakNIC
15:48 <@brimstone> Evilpig: try http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=16713
15:48 <@brimstone> that sounds very similar to the method i used
15:49 <@brimstone> only i had some hot syslinux action in there too
15:49 <@Evilpig> I saw a few mentions of syslinux.  but don't have time roday to get into it much
15:50 <@brimstone> i <3 h. peter anvin
15:51 <@Evilpig> that method there doesn't work for me.  because ti makes the usb drive c.  and doesn't allow for a repair install.  I really need to just boot the original install disk somehow.  
15:51 <@Evilpig> I am running dd now.  we'll see if it works or not
15:52 <@Evilpig> dd if=\\.\d: of=\\.\e: --progress
15:52 <@Evilpig> pulling straight from the CD to the thumbdrive
15:52 <@brimstone> *twitch*
15:52 <@Evilpig> dd for windows is slow .....
15:55 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: try Cygwin sometime
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15:56 <@Evilpig> I have cygwin at home.  not on this customer pc
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16:01 <@Catonic> Dolemite: I have a picture of n00gums molesting Snow White at Disney World
16:05 <@SkyDog_> Dagmar: Is notlarry at work today?
16:05 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: Nope.  he's off today
16:05 <@SkyDog_> Ah. ok.
16:05 <@SkyDog_> Thanks.
16:07 <@Dagmar> Grrr... Spoiled people on the phone.
16:07 <@Dagmar> I have exactly zero to do with phone installtion or fax machines.
16:08 <+MaxieZ> Um...in linux that would have been bad.  You usually want to specify a block size
16:08 <+MaxieZ> I know people who've ruined cdrom drives like that.
16:09 <@Dagmar> Ruined them by reading from them?
16:10 <+eryc> yea those big blocks burn out the laser beams
16:10 <+eryc> gotta be careful!
16:10  * brimstone starts the beat box
16:10 <@brimstone> i like big block and i can't deny
16:10 <+MaxieZ> Ruined the motor.
16:10 <+MaxieZ> As it kept reading a small block at a time.
16:11 <@Evilpig> heh.  it could very well ruin this motor.  it's under warranty
16:11 <+MaxieZ> I guess I don't have any direct evidence of that...it made sense...
16:11 <@Evilpig> alright heading out of here now.  I have spent way too much time here today
16:11 <@Evilpig> later
16:12 <@oddball> Dagmar: hey, have got anymore students trying to get you to hand out free cat5?
16:13 <@Dagmar> I've not had any of them asking me for that
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16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Damn, another 4% down today
16:20 <@Dagmar> FUCKING windows
16:22 <@Drag0n> watch out for the broken glass
16:23 <@Drag0n> it really chafes the willy
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16:28  * Catonic looks for his stupid spoiled whore playset
16:32 <@I-MOD> it's called the woodchipper
16:32 <@I-MOD> it's off to the left
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16:44  * Catonic <3 trance
16:45 <@I-MOD> unce unce unce unce unce unce unce
16:47  * Catonic dances about
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16:56 <@GodFix> OMG! We just used GPO to set someone's theme to Ohio State and he's a Michigan fan. He about flipped.
16:56 <@GodFix> time to go home.
16:56 <@Catonic> hehe
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17:08 <+MaxieZ> What's GPO?
17:08 <@brimstone> Group POlicy
17:08 <@brimstone> that's my guess
17:08 <+MaxieZ> Ah ok.
17:10 <@Dagmar> General Post Office.  i.e., "You can't ship it there"
17:12 <+MaxieZ> What's escape feast?
17:14 <+MaxieZ> Dinner Break - Escape Feast! - Outside in the parking lot
17:15 <+MaxieZ> and: David Hickman/Joshua Restivo - The Government Found Child Porn on My PC. Now What?
17:16 <+MaxieZ> Is this a problem for someone I'm not aware of?
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17:18 <+MaxieZ> I've also noticed that the people who participate in the wifi race don't learn how to pick up women!  WTF?! :)
17:19 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: if the government found child porn on my computer, then it would be a case of a rogue agent planting evidence.
17:19 <+MaxieZ> Well right :)
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17:20 <@Dagmar> Palin's email was hacked.
17:20 <@Dagmar> Be on the lookout for zip files of it.  :)
17:20 <@Corydon76-dig> And while I'm confident that 99% of government agents are honest, I would certainly be interested in dealing with such a case
17:21 <@Dagmar> "Now what? == You're fucked."
17:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Child porn is basically just a hot button that if you're tarred with that brush, you stand literally no chance of a fair trial, unless you can dispute the source of it.
17:21 <@Dagmar> You can forget a fair trial, and you're fucked before you even get there becuase it'll be all over the news.
17:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Right
17:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, but the defense can say a lot more to the media than the prosecution
17:22 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter.
17:23 <@Dagmar> "They looked 18 to me" isn't going to get the media's interest
17:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Defense can shoot right back and destroy an agent's reputation
17:23 <@Dagmar> "Out of the thousands of nude women I looked at, how was I to know 2 of them were only 14?" isn't going to work.
17:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I'm talking more about the planting of evidence
17:23 <@Dagmar> That's not a charge someone's reputation is going to come back from.
17:24 <@Corydon76-dig> How exactly do you fight back against a rogue agent like that?
17:24 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking encrypt goddamn everything.
17:24 <+MaxieZ> So is that the point of the talk?
17:24 <+MaxieZ> Dagmar: amen
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17:25 <+MaxieZ> How to defend yourself against a lying FBI agent?
17:25 <@Corydon76-dig> That assumes that the encryption is as secure as advertised and does not contain any government approved backdoors
17:25 <@Dagmar> MaxieZ: Far as I know, you just get to learn Chinese and move
17:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: Which assumes your computer won't explode and kill you and everyone in a 3,000 mile radius.
17:25 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: open source encryption?
17:26 <+MaxieZ> Thermite then.
17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: even open source can contain a vulnerability.  See the Debian case.
17:26 < M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: grr
17:26 <+MaxieZ> How Agent Smith where you able to obtain a copy of the child porn when the hard drive, ram and even the CPU was completely vaporized?
17:27 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: True...I was referring to the backdoors
17:27 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: You're right.  Ther'es no hope.  Everything is pointless and anyone can do anything to anyone at any time.
17:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Courts don't look kindly upon destroying evidence
17:27 <@Dagmar> Everything's got backdoors.
17:27 <@Dagmar> We should just give up.
17:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: Your words, not mine
17:27 <@Dagmar> No, *your* words.
17:27 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: It's only evidence after they arrest me
17:28 <+MaxieZ> I burn all my computers...only way to be sure
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17:28 <@Dagmar> You offer an _extreme_ edge case which also goes hand-in-hand with the most fundamental concepts around encryption as a rebuttal, and offer no alternative whatsoever.
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17:28 < M0j0-j0j0> the electrons are against us... we should just give up now and beg for it to be quick
17:28 <@Dagmar> That leaves ONLY giving up as an option.
17:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I'm only asking questions
17:29 <@Dagmar> It's no better htan arguing someone shouoldn't go to work because they could die in a fiery car crash.
17:29 <+MaxieZ> It's not like every hacker is going to be accused of having child porn and no one question it
17:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Am I to understand that "You shall not ask questions, you heretic."?
17:29 <+MaxieZ> I could be wrong of course :)
17:29 <@Corydon76-dig> "The church is always right, because it is the church."
17:30 < M0j0-j0j0> praise cheeses
17:30 <@Dagmar> Odds are better you'd die in a car crash than that there'd be a backdoor in a piece of opensource crypto.
17:30 < TheLightCosine> yes but dag
17:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I'd go with dying in a car crash over being beaten up in prison every day because the other inmates think I'm a child pornographer.
17:31 < TheLightCosine> the odds of dying in a car crash in nasvhille are pretty good
17:31 <@Dagmar> <generic last word bullshit>
17:31 <@Dagmar> I win.
17:31 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: I'd agree with you so long as we're talking about backdoors being backdoors not logic errors in the code
17:31 <@Corydon76-dig> M0j0-j0j0: or someone zeroing a buffer because valgrind told them to
17:32 <@brimstone> hey, i got a question for you network guys
17:32 <@brimstone> can i send packets to a machine, and skip the first one in the sequence and fill your buffers?
17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: nope
17:32 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Nope.
17:32 <@brimstone> what prevents that?
17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: technique known as windowing
17:33 <@Dagmar> IP stacks will only put up with so much bullshit before they start discarding packets which don't appear to belong to anything in particular.
17:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Only a certain number of packets into the future are kept, everything else is thrown away
17:33 < TheLightCosine> well shit i fell like a dumbass, i was getting ready to write a qucik perl program to do a stastical analysis of the most frequently drawn powerball numbers over the past year...the powerball site already has that feature on their website heh
17:33 <@brimstone> so i couldn't send 2, then 3, then 4 up to 65535 or so
17:33 <@Corydon76-dig> until the last packet is received, then an ACK is sent for the last packet in the "window", and the window moves forward
17:33 <@brimstone> after like, 5 or 6 it'd start just dropping the rest
17:34 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: right
17:34 <@brimstone> herm
17:34 <+MaxieZ> TheLightCosine: You failed at page load
17:34 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: I don't remember the exact threshold, but it might be as high as 20
17:34 <@brimstone> if i have that much control over the packets, i wonder if i can send it from multiple hosts and fill all of those windows
17:34 < TheLightCosine> MaxieZ: yup
17:34 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Why bother with multiple hosts.
17:34 <+MaxieZ> brimstone: If you have that much just udp flood it
17:35 <+MaxieZ> Not that I'm suggesting such a thing..
17:35 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: that only applies to TCP, of course
17:35  * MaxieZ stars at the wall
17:35 < TheLightCosine> not that i really thoguht it'd give me an edge, but it was gunna be interesting, instead i fail cus the pwoerball already provides that info for anyone interested
17:35 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: or another stream protocol
17:35 <@brimstone> herm
17:35 <@brimstone> i wonder how much space is allocated for stuff like that
17:35 <@brimstone> or is it really dynamic, etc
17:36 <@Dagmar> Somehow I dont think it's more than 64Mb or so, but it could be.
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17:36 <@Dagmar> Let's just say it's pretty sure you're not choking out someone's TCP connections without getting close to media saturation levels of crap
17:36 <@Corydon76-dig> and, of course, firewall rules can limit the number of connections from a single host
17:37 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Considering that only very infrequently do packest arrive out of order, that's the only thing you'll fuck up
17:37 <@Dagmar> brimstone: ...and even then. packet retranmission should get around it just fine.
17:37 < TheLightCosine> brimstone: the real trick is to find something running on a host on the network, something already trusted and find a way to get that to flood 'valid' traffic at your target
17:38 <@Corydon76-dig> and you're unlikely to choke off existing connections, only new connections
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17:38 <@Dagmar> Lets say you start firing 10,000 fragments at a machine per second and completely fill up the "unknown bucket"
17:38 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: Only if the firewall thinks it's the same host
17:38 <@Dagmar> New sessions, and existing sessions, aren't going to be sending fragments.
17:38 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: true, but we're talking TCP here
17:38 <+MaxieZ> Forget tcp...udp is the answer
17:38 <@Dagmar> The IP stack should rahter immediately know what each of those packets is as they come in.
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: windowing doesn't apply to UDP
17:39 <+MaxieZ> I know...I'm saying he should forget it
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: or not on that layer, anyway
17:39 <+MaxieZ> and move onto udp
17:39 <+MaxieZ> or back to or whatever
17:39 <@Dagmar> UDP is "unreliable" by definition.
17:39 < TheLightCosine> isn't UD
17:39 < TheLightCosine> er
17:39 <+MaxieZ> It's reliable in flooding networks
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Some applications apply windowing at that layer to UDP packets
17:39 <@Dagmar> Someone putting something on UDP that can't handle 50% packet loss has probably lost their mind anyway
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> (like SIP)
17:39 <@Catonic> The brain is a truly amazing tool.
17:39 < TheLightCosine> isn't UDP easy to set up discard rules for though to block flooding?
17:40 < TheLightCosine> or am I on crack
17:40 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: yes, but at that point, it's usually pretty pointless, because the upstream is your bottleneck
17:40 < TheLightCosine> ah
17:40 <+MaxieZ> TheLightCosine: No, you're right.
17:40 <@Catonic> do you really want to admit to "being on crack" around corydon/
17:40 <@Catonic> ?
17:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: he doesn't know, or care
17:41 <@brimstone> as i learn about the underlining principles in this networking class, i'm really suprised the internet works as well as it does
17:41 <+MaxieZ> But you can still fill the pipe to the machine with udp and then the firewall is blocking it, but nothing else is getting through either
17:41 <+MaxieZ> So if it's all about dos....then I vote udp
17:42 < TheLightCosine> I still think if you have a ahrd on for a DOS the real gravy is in getting trusted services to bounce each other
17:42 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: Redundancy and isolation of control is what makes every work well
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17:42 < TheLightCosine> for example some of the old SQL Server 2000 flaws
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17:43 < TheLightCosine> or if you've got a LAN that is set up by a jackass, there is always port stealing and ARP posioning
17:43 < TheLightCosine> er poisoning
17:44 <@Catonic_lp> MAF..
17:44 < M0j0-j0j0> I would say trusted services would be a good way if you want to do that... but aren't their large smurfable netowrks in china?
17:44 <+MaxieZ> If you have a guy like that, you use LART to stop him
17:44 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: the only good way to choke off a DOS attack is to stem the tide above your uplink, at a place where they have enough bandwidth to block it off without also destroying their own services
17:44 < TheLightCosine> i mean any idiot can do ARP poisoning inside 5 minutes including downlaod time for a toll such as ettercap
17:44 <@Catonic_lp> TheLightCosine: http://164.106.251.250/docs/dc2008/defcon-16-figueroa-williams.pdf
17:45 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: yeah, walking up to the guy being an asshat, swinging an axe and cutting off his Ethernet cable might be effective
17:46 <+MaxieZ> You think?
17:46 <@Corydon76-dig> especially if he thinks you might be aiming the axe at his head
17:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Sends a very effective message
17:47 <@I-MOD> just use a shotgun and foribly remove the jack from the wall
17:47 <@brimstone> I-MOD: <#
17:47 <@brimstone> <3
17:47 <@brimstone> too much shift
17:47 <@Catonic_lp> I think the axe makes a good impression...
17:47 <+MaxieZ> Catonic: Did you see that talk?
17:47 <@Catonic_lp> if you can lodge it in the wall
17:47 <@I-MOD> in his head
17:47 <@Catonic_lp> MaxieZ: I did. I also hung with them in NYC and Las Vegas
17:48 <+MaxieZ> I was there man
17:48 <+MaxieZ> I even caught a chip
17:48 < TheLightCosine> ooh neat, thanks for doc, catonic
17:48 <+MaxieZ> TheLightCosine: Most of that is old shit
17:48 <@Catonic_lp> Yeah... all the equipment in the slides... I've seen close enough to drop crumbs on =)
17:49 <+MaxieZ> By their own admission
17:49 <+MaxieZ> It's just that most of it still works
17:49 < TheLightCosine> *shrug* i am hardly 31337 so there may be stuff i do not know in there
17:49 <@Catonic_lp> dude, that talk is in the antithesis of leet.
17:50 <@Catonic_lp> the whole point of it is ... check your shit, secure your shit... because it's 2008, not 1998, baby!
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17:50 < TheLightCosine> my point cat is that there are some attack vectors there i robably don't know about
17:50 <+MaxieZ> Except for the vlan hack he hinted at but didn't reproduce or go into any detail about
17:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic_lp: don't call me "Baby"
17:50 <+MaxieZ> Which is why I was there
17:50 < TheLightCosine> like for example i do not know anything about abusing STP
17:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic_lp: only my bf is allowed to do that
17:51 <@brimstone> spanning tree is an interesting beast
17:51 < M0j0-j0j0> stone template pilot?
17:51 <+MaxieZ> TheLightCosine: You'll never know everything anyways.   Learn it by all means though.
17:52 <+MaxieZ> I think most of their examples are pretty basic stuff anyone should know, but that's my opinion
17:52 < TheLightCosine> althoguh i'm already a little skeptical of the credibility of any doc that has screens of Cain&Able in it
17:54 <+MaxieZ> You should know ettercap, what arp poisoning is, how switches protect you, when they don't, wireshark, tcpdump, yersinia...that's all good stuff
17:55 < TheLightCosine> yersinia?
17:55 <@brimstone> that's the only one i don't know
17:55 <+MaxieZ> It basically is a dhcp spoofing attack
17:55 < TheLightCosine> ah
17:55 <@brimstone> dhcp inform sucks :(
17:55 <+MaxieZ> So there's no more dhcp ips left and poor new people need to get ips from somewhere....how about me?
17:56 <@brimstone> lol, fill the dhcp lease table huh?
17:56 <+MaxieZ> So you get an IP, set up forwarding and dhcp, yersinia the dhcp pool then you tell people to use you
17:56 < TheLightCosine> i have a cocktail of stuff on my laptop that i've played with at points, nmap, ettercap, wiresharp, aircrack,kismet,netcat,dsnif,nessus, and a few other things plus whatever mangled perl creations i've concocted
17:56 <+MaxieZ> Now everyone's traffic is in your hands
17:56 < TheLightCosine> beats trying to win race condition
17:57 <@tcstool> Woo hoo! I get the pre-dinner timeslot! that means I can cut it short and everyone will love me!
17:57 <+MaxieZ> Well you can almost always win that too if you have the lower mac
17:57 <+MaxieZ> and of course, you can set your mac.
17:57 < TheLightCosine> I really wanna see if the baseline analysers at work can pick up the true culprit of an nmap 'Idle Scan'...but i also wanna keep my job
17:57 < TheLightCosine> really, lwoer mac will win?
17:58 <+MaxieZ> Pretty much
17:58 < TheLightCosine> hunh
17:58 <+MaxieZ> It depends on the HW, but that's usually the case
17:58 <@tcstool> lower mac wins what? I missed the first part of this
17:58 <+MaxieZ> gets the traffic
17:58 < TheLightCosine> dhcp race
17:59 <+MaxieZ> TheLightCosine: No, I mean if I have an IP and you have the same IP
17:59 <+MaxieZ> Lower mac gets the traffic
17:59 < TheLightCosine> ohhhh
18:00 <+MaxieZ> I was interpreting your race condition statment...
18:00 <+MaxieZ> Perhaps I was wrong
18:00 < TheLightCosine> I meant filling the lease pool beats trying to beat the DHCP offer race against the legitimate server
18:00 <+MaxieZ> Oh right
18:00 <+MaxieZ> Sorry.
18:01 <+MaxieZ> No, lower mac doesn't win that
18:01 < TheLightCosine> no worries i was a little confused
18:01 <+MaxieZ> That's first responder
18:01 < TheLightCosine> right
18:01 <@tcstool> are you wanting to do a rogue server?
18:01 <@tcstool> Just throw it up against a windows DHCP server, the windows server will roll over and die
18:01 < TheLightCosine> lol
18:01 <@tcstool> I'm serious
18:01 <@tcstool> I've used that one on pen tests before
18:02 <@tcstool> as soon as the windows server sees DHCP traffic it will shut its services down
18:02 < TheLightCosine> eew
18:02 < TheLightCosine> that's pathetic
18:02 <@tcstool> So I'll actually craft DHCP server packets and throw them at the Windows server
18:02 <@tcstool> Yeah I know
18:02 <@tcstool> it's horrible
18:02 <@brimstone> just tell it you have it's ip
18:03 <@tcstool> It really defeats the point of authorizing the DHCP in active directory
18:03 < TheLightCosine> or, again you could spoof it's MAC, then port steal the bitch on the switch
18:03 < TheLightCosine> to casual observation of logs it won't really look like anything's wrong
18:07 < TheLightCosine> I still like the 1byte codes you could send sql server 2000 to cause a crash, or to make two of them ping pong back and forth
18:08 < TheLightCosine> i found out about that while ivnestigating some of the DB servers at a previous job, found they left them unpatched, AND they ahd two Sybase servers with blank fucking SA passwords
18:09 < M0j0-j0j0> haha
18:09 <+MaxieZ> I remember in like 2002, somebody did an install of windows 2000 and put it on the network before updates and sql slammer took down our routers
18:09 < TheLightCosine> and those Sybase servers were hella important, one contained all the HR reporting, the other was the backend for Remedy
18:09 < TheLightCosine> ouch
18:10 < TheLightCosine> these were the same assholes that leveraged a product that installed a vnc server alongside on all the client computers
18:10 < TheLightCosine> every workstation had a vnc with a default password
18:11  * aestetix2 yawns
18:11 < TheLightCosine> and this was an "IT Company"
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18:18 < aestetix2> http://pastebin.com/f652c44fb
18:19 < aestetix2> If this is true, it's about to make national headlines
18:20 <@ziplock> that's already been reported on some blogs, and the "hackers" in their readership have been asked to see if they can verify any of it.
18:20 <@ziplock> http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/did-sarah-palins-yahoo-email-get-hacked.html
18:23 <+MaxieZ> So it's true?
18:23 < aestetix2> http://pixpipeline.com/l/abd358bc30f2.jpg,731f782adb23.gif,639c116dfc1a.jpg
18:23 <@Dagmar> Keep your eyes peeled
18:24 < aestetix2> this looks pretty real
18:24 < aestetix2> http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/The_Incident_Did_4Chan_Anon_Hack_Palin_s_Yahoo_Email
18:25 < aestetix2> several download links are there
18:25 <+MaxieZ> I bet her password was bushlover
18:25 <@brimstone> but she's married...
18:25 <+MaxieZ> heh
18:25 < aestetix2> no it was lipstick
18:26 < aestetix2> probably
18:26 <@ziplock> I heard someone today call her Bush in a Skirt
18:26 < TheLightCosine> more like an airheaded mussolini
18:26 < TheLightCosine> she thinks we should go to war with russia over georgia
18:27 < TheLightCosine> she scares the ever living shite out of me
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18:27 <@brimstone> that's cuz those ruskies won't stay of her lawn
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18:27 < TheLightCosine> she also said in an interview that she sent her son to Iraq to get the people who attacked us
18:28 < TheLightCosine> but the republicans maintain that her total lack of foreign policy knowledge or experience isn't an issue
18:28 <@ShadowHntr> hahahaha
18:29 <@brimstone> mccain has the experience, palin has the skirt
18:29 < TheLightCosine> and palin has the fundamentalist christian right
18:29 <@brimstone> who says student government doesn't mimick real life?
18:29 < aestetix2> ok
18:29 < aestetix2> would anyone pay $1.5 million to take a girl's virginity
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18:30 < TheLightCosine> sure if it was to go back in time and take mila jovovich's
18:30 < TheLightCosine> aside from that...no
18:33 < aestetix2> Ok.
18:33 < aestetix2> I'm calling bullshit on the email hack
18:33 < aestetix2> http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/02.jpg
18:33 < aestetix2> look at the urls in the screenshots
18:36 < TheLightCosine> ctunnel.com heh
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18:41 <@timoguin> So I have some VA Linux servers running FreeBSD, and I'm trying to reset the root passwords.
18:41 <@timoguin> Only there is a hardware RAID array.
18:41 <@timoguin> I've booted up with a gentoo livecd.
18:41 <@timoguin> What the hell do I do to mount the array?
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18:43 <@Dagmar> Start with dinner and a movie
18:44 <@timoguin> F. Scott's and then a basic RomCom?
18:44 <@Dagmar> Well, a roofiecoloda wouldn't hurt
18:44 <@timoguin> Check.
18:48 <@Catonic> freebsd?
18:48 <+MxZBot> freebsd is just as much as a desktop environment as Windows. It's just not a good gaming desktop environment.
18:49 <@Catonic> boot: kernel -s
18:49 <+eryc> if its hardware raid you should see a scsi device
18:49 <@Catonic> if that doesn't work, get a livecd of FreeBSD, fsck the disks, mount -a, passwd..
18:49 <+eryc> nothing too special you have to do
18:49 <@Catonic> depends on the raid controller...
18:50 <@Catonic> LSI/AMI Megaraid uses amr devices
18:50 <+eryc> oh yea sorry megaraid
18:50 <@Catonic> aac is another type..
18:50 <+eryc> so you may need a driver!
18:50 <@Catonic> there was the perc 1 or 2 that used the wd driver but had a device name if idad?
18:50 <@Catonic> *of
18:50 <@Dagmar> OKay.  I have a question
18:51 <+eryc> yea i had to install the perc megasas driver in the boot image for solaris
18:51 <@Dagmar> Isn't there supposed to be some rule about retaining emails sent by political officials?
18:51 <@Dagmar> ...and how do you go about doing that to preserve evidence if these yahoos are all using fucking Yahoo.
18:51 <+eryc> yea some government sunshine law
18:51 <@Dagmar> http://pixpipeline.com/l/abd358bc30f2.jpg,731f782adb23.gif,639c116dfc1a.jpg
18:51 <+eryc> well since its Yahoo!
18:52 <+eryc> they should have the archive like the one they turned over to China that got a bunch of journalists killed
18:55 <@sdodson> 19:41 <@timoguin> Only there is a hardware RAID array.
18:55 <@sdodson> should be abstracted away from the OS then.
18:56 <+eryc> should be, but the OS still needs a driver for the disk controller
18:56 <@sdodson> The challenge is likely getting linux to mount ufs2/ufs2+
18:56 <@sdodson> well duh
18:57 <@sdodson> any modern linux should have that.
18:57 <+eryc> true, tho for me i use solaris which isnt quite modern yet
18:57 <@sdodson> Windows 3.1 is more modern than Solaris
18:57 <@sdodson> Dagmar: hey
19:00 <+eryc> in that first pic, they used ctunnel to proxy to yahoo, but they also directly queried google for "palin husban elope"
19:00 <+eryc> perhaps google will turn over their IP
19:00 <@sdodson> palin haz hax?
19:04 <+eryc> palin has retards, as usual
19:04 <+eryc> not only did they fail to obtain a full archive, they also compromised their identity
19:05 <+eryc> i can haz retard!
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19:11 <@sdodson> why didn't they get a full archive?
19:11 <+eryc> cerkit!
19:12 <+eryc> sdodson: i guess because web proxies dont do pop3
19:20  * Dagmar waves at cerkit
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19:24 < cerkit> eryc: hey dude.
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19:24 < cerkit> Dagmar: Hello-hello.
19:24 < cerkit> Hope everybody is well.
19:26 <+eryc> word
19:28 < cerkit> eryc: How you like the stock market these days, mang?
19:28 <+eryc> oh its a great show
19:29 <+eryc> its the end of term free money celebration
19:29 < cerkit> I don't even invest any more.  We started a pool on who gets bailed out.  I make my retirement that way.
19:30 <+eryc> i'd rather bet on horses than play the stock market
19:31 <@Drag0n> at least you can tell a lame horse before he runs
19:32 <@Dagmar> I'm still baffled how it's not okay to bail out homeowners, but businessmen who are supposed to know better get PILES of money
19:33 <@Drag0n> because homeowners dont sponser parties at the political convetion or pay for the hookers for the congressmen
19:34 < cerkit> Nor do they give you special funding for the homes YOU want to purchase.
19:35 <@sdodson> Because there's no money for homeowners without fat cats?
19:36 <@Dagmar> YAY new Zero Punctuation!
19:37 < cerkit> An interest fact, relevant here with the bailouts, et...
19:37 < cerkit> With Lehman Brothers, the buyer Barclay, paid $1.75 billion for their assets
19:38 < cerkit> $1.50 bill of that, was the value of their data centers.
19:38 < cerkit> bilion*
19:38 <@Drag0n> most of that was the value of the datacenter, and the data contained within
19:38 < cerkit> exactly
19:38 < cerkit> But it makes a very interesting point to some who creates software for a living...
19:39 < cerkit> How stupid are those fucking assholes that they went bankrupt with 1.5 billion in datacenters?
19:39 <@Drag0n> anyone else worried about personal financial data being collected and consolidated?
19:39 < cerkit> I could pretty much any IT related business, and turn a profit, with that kind of farm.
19:39 <@rhia> cerkit: i was just making a post about you.   Welcome back
19:39 < cerkit> rhia: Really?  Well, thanks.
19:39 < cerkit> What was the post about?
19:40 <@rhia> really wanna see it? ... it'll flood channel
19:40 < cerkit> rhia: you got linkage?
19:41 < cerkit> I'll go
19:41 < cerkit> Otherwise
19:41 < cerkit> I'll make a channel for you to flood :)
19:41 < cerkit> #rhiapost works, if you got no link
19:41 < cerkit> :)
19:41 <@rhia> cerkit:  and remember i LIKE you <g>
19:41 < cerkit> I do.
19:41 <@rhia> i'll flood, they can deal
19:42 <@sdodson> cerkit: you kno lehman dcs?
19:42 <@rhia> wouldn't common sense say that we should listen to someone that at least attempts to voice reason over someone that has so many phobias?  For example, Cerkit may be the most annoying asshole we've encountered, but at least he's a thinking, intellectual asshole. Ware is a racist, homophobic, transphobic, insular narrow minded troll that offers nothing more than "he's fun to party with".  Even though he's  not in channel anymore, at least cerki
19:42 <@rhia> t USED his brain cells instead of falling back on emotional BS taught to him during his homeschooling.  Of the two, i'll take the flooding rants of cerkit over ware any day.
19:42 <@rhia> k, not so much flood as i thought
19:42 <@Dagmar> I've been saying that for awhile now
19:42 <@scort> rhia, do you like me
19:43 <@sdodson> Dagmar: No one cars what you say, but that's alright.
19:43  * scort hits sdodson with a car
19:44 <@rhia> scort: not really... you've yet to prove yourself as having a deserting brain
19:44 <@Dagmar> s/sert/serv/;
19:44 <@rhia> desernting ..amned spellcheck
19:45 <@Dagmar> discerning.
19:45 <@rhia> Dagmar: tack
19:45 <@rhia> spell check fails
19:45 <@Dagmar> lol
19:45 <@Dagmar> Admit it.  You have no spellchecker.
19:45 <@scort> rhia, lets go party in dallas
19:45 <@rhia> i so, it sucks
19:45 <@Drag0n> she does, but x-chat has its limits
19:45 < cerkit> rhia: I always find it interesting whatever it is other people think of me, so, I appreciate the compliments, no matter their backhanded momentum. :)
19:45 <@sdodson> Wow, truly amazing that Dagmar got something right. That never happens.
19:45 <@rhia> scort: shut up, thank you
19:45 <@Dagmar> ...or if you do, a petulant six-year old has been doing a lot of clicking and saying "THAT R SPELD RITE!"
19:46 <@Dagmar> cerkit: At least hippies aren't calling you a "weak-minded coward".  ;)
19:46 <@Drag0n> i find people have a tendancy to accuse others of their own shortcomings
19:47 <+MaxieZ> Howdy Cerkit
19:47 <@Dagmar> I *still* feel like it's a win that the only thing that fuck from twincities could come up with was a bunch of name-calling.
19:47 <@rhia> cerkit: we've had ... tons ... of private converstations .. i don't always agree with you, but i've never doubted your intelligence or your research
19:47 < cerkit> MaxieZ: hey.
19:47 <+MaxieZ> Drag0n: You're dick is way too huge
19:47 < cerkit> rhia: :)
19:47 <+MaxieZ> Drag0n: your...need a grammer checker
19:47 < cerkit> Dagmar: This is true.
19:47 < cerkit> Dagmar: I've done well to avoid most hippies in general, I think though.
19:47 <@sdodson> Drag0n: In that case YOU ARE AWESOME SAUCE!
19:48 <@Drag0n> note, i said tend to
19:48 < cerkit> Come to think of it, maybe thats what I need in my life: hippies.
19:48 <@rhia> but i DO have an issue with why that piece of excrement ware is still tolerated, nay, accepted in this channel/group
19:48 <@Drag0n> i have hippies, 2 of them, they are what keeps my pants on
19:49 <+MaxieZ> I just need the free love
19:49 <@rhia> cerkit: as... controversial as you are, i'd rather have you than 30 wares
19:49 <@Drag0n> why, who imprisoned love?
19:49 <@sdodson> you didn't say that shit was asymptonic!
19:49 < cerkit> rhia: Quite honestly, I've found in my life, a large majority prefer the less intelligent, less challenging social situations that I sometimes create.
19:49 <@rhia> at least your brain works - and y0u use it
19:50 < cerkit> rhia: Ware likely does not create anything like this, based on what you've said.  Instead, it sounds like he creates mindlessness which most simply ignore.
19:50 <@rhia> sorry, typing around a cat...
19:50 <@Drag0n> and a large majority voted to re-elect bush, doesnt make em right
19:50 < cerkit> Drag0n: No, and I'm not arguing any position.
19:50 <@Drag0n> true
19:51 < cerkit> I'm just saying, my making people think from time to time, is probably what makes me a more problematic "troll" in people's eyes.
19:51 <@Dagmar> Oh my god.
19:51 <@Drag0n> just making an observation, not an acusation
19:51 < cerkit> I'm fine either way :)
19:51 <@Dagmar> Aesteix has found THE most blatant snake-oil sale I've ever seen
19:51 < cerkit> People accuse me of so many more ruthless things than being a troll.
19:51 <@Dagmar> http://aestetix.livejournal.com/208542.html
19:51 < cerkit> I can tke it.
19:51 <@Dagmar> "Swype"
19:52 < cerkit> Is that the typing thing?
19:52 <@rhia> cerkit: you get chased off because you argue, he's accepted .... for the gods know why ...he's intellectually deficient and ignorant to boot
19:52 <@Dagmar> Watch the demo closely as they scribble shit and still (according to them) get the right word out of the thing
19:52 < cerkit> Where you mouse the letters?
19:52 < cerkit> Dagmar: I saw that like a week ago
19:52 < cerkit> It looks wild.
19:52 <@Dagmar> I'm just seeing it now.
19:52 <@Dagmar> It looks wild, but is also looks like bullshit.
19:52 < cerkit> rhia: I should be more willing to accept others opinions.
19:52 < cerkit> I've learned a bit about that.
19:53 < cerkit> Dagmar: I was a little astounded myself.
19:53 <@rhia> cerkit: if you're a troll, he's the bricks that make the bridge you sleep under <G>
19:53 < cerkit> Not to say its impossible, but the technology has to be pretty smart.
19:53 <@Dagmar> Seems to me like at the very least it's going to result in a slightly _less_ rapid "dumbing down" of the language than predictive text.
19:54 < cerkit> rhia: I haven't had the pleasure of hearing him in a long time, so, I don't really remember but... that last line is classic.
19:54 < cerkit> hahaha
19:54 <@Dagmar> ...although I'm still pretty convinced Motorola just filled the predictive database on my phone with entropy as a joke
19:54 <@rhia> opinions based in reality, yes, opinions based in judgemental superficial bullshit, no
19:54 <@Catonic> Why do my wheaties taste like piss? Oh, cerkit's back on channel.
19:55 <@sdodson> ware is bannenated? I didn't know he was homophobic
19:55 < cerkit> Dagmar: I hate those in-line intellisensing things on handhelds.
19:55 < cerkit> They're annoying.
19:55  * rhia kicks Catonic into reality 
19:55 < cerkit> Its like the guy who finishes everyones sentences.
19:55 <@Dagmar> Mine comes up with nothing but bullshit, all the time.
19:55 <@rhia> cerkit: welcome back (i may be one of the very few to say that to you) ... stick around
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19:56 <@rhia> but, i have to run .... would like to talk to you more, but can't right now
19:56 < cerkit> rhia: I try; believe it or not, its usually my work that takes me away.  I reach a critical point where I'm spending too much time in here, making worthless points, and my work suffer.s
19:57 <@sdodson> cerkit: It's alright, I'm here to kiss your ass and insult everyone else at the same time.
19:57 < cerkit> rhia: Well, have a good night.  Thanks again for the kind words.
19:57 <@sdodson> cerkit: Have I told you how much cooler you are than dagmar?
19:57 < cerkit> sdodson: No.
19:57 < cerkit> How much cooler am I?
19:57 < cerkit> :)
19:58 <@Dagmar> I'm loving the phone demo.
19:58 <@sdodson> cerkit: Atleast a good 38.6%
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19:58 <@scort> sdodson,
19:58 <@Dagmar> The guy just keeps talking shit as the user has to repeat about every other word becuase it gets it wrong
19:58 <@scort> i fixed my fedora
19:58 < cerkit> Dag is probably one of the few people I've met as a result of IRC that I stilled respected afterward.
19:58 <@Catonic_lp> The other was sdodson's mom.
19:59 <@Dagmar> Neither of us put out, obviously.
19:59 < cerkit> *shrug*
19:59 < cerkit> I met a lot of people who TALKED about computers.
19:59 < cerkit> I've met few who actually did something interesting with them.
19:59 < cerkit> Dag is one of the latter.
19:59 < cerkit> How's that?
20:00 < cerkit> heh
20:00 <@sdodson> scort: good, how'd you do that?
20:00 < cerkit> Holy shit.
20:00 < cerkit> When is PN is this year?
20:00 <@Dagmar> 24th-25th
20:00 <@scort> used the recover option on the dvd
20:00 < cerkit> Because I actually took off
20:01 < cerkit> oh
20:01 < cerkit> what a fucking crime
20:01 < cerkit> I took off 10/29, 30 and 31st
20:01 <@scort> you dumbass
20:01 < cerkit> It didn't have anything directly to do with PN
20:01 < cerkit> but, I just realized it could have, until you said that.
20:01 < cerkit> scort: Its not a huge loss.
20:02 <@scort> :((
20:02 < cerkit> No one really wants me there, it almost exclusively be for my own amusement.
20:03 < cerkit> Dagmar: Have you seen Chrome/
20:03 < cerkit> ?
20:03 <@scort> ugh
20:03 < cerkit> sdodson: How about you, you seen Chrome?
20:04 <@sdodson> cerkit: Yes, but it doesn't work in Linux yet so i've not used it that much.
20:04 <@scort> sdodson, is a opensource whore
20:05 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Yep.
20:05 <@Dagmar> I like it.
20:05 < cerkit> Dagmar: I'm building an interpreter for JavaScript based on its engine :)
20:05 <@Dagmar> I'm in no doubts that it's probably still insecure as hell, but I like the direction they're heading
20:05 <@Drag0n> hope fixing the security holes doesnt slow it down too much
20:05 < dasunt> heh.
20:06 <@sdodson> Tonight at 11: Browsers have security bugs!
20:06 <@Drag0n> it IS still in beta, so its expected
20:06 < dasunt> It is ironic, vocal atheists are often about as closed minded as the vocal Christians they condemn.
20:07 < cerkit> sdodson: Its not so much a worry since tab-process-jailing means most webpages render is a very limited environment.
20:07 < cerkit> Thats the real news flash.
20:07 <@Dagmar> Wait... Barack Obama may have some dirty secrets after all
20:07 <@Dagmar> http://failblog.org/2008/09/16/biological-fail/
20:11 < cerkit> Dagmar: do you blog dude?
20:11 <@Dagmar> At the moment, just the occasional LJ post, and some stuff about WoW (Hunter stuff0
20:12 < cerkit> Dagmar: we should all get together (people in here), and do a tech blog.
20:13 < cerkit> We could use the ad revenue for different silly stuff.
20:14 <@Dagmar> I'd get sued.
20:14 < cerkit> Dagmar: We'll do it under my company's name.
20:14 < cerkit> They can sue that all they lie.
20:14 < cerkit> like*
20:17 <@rhia> Dagmar:  so, he's a son of two men? <g>
20:17 <@Dagmar> rhia: Apparently so... Who knew?
20:17 <@rhia> that's a classic line that ended one of Jon Stewart's shows
20:17 < cerkit> rhia: do you have a blog?
20:17 < cerkit> where do you 'post'?
20:19 <@rhia> funny how Obama's preacher making odd comments was the stuff of news for a month, but Palin's being annointed by a witch hunter to become governor is basically ignored by mainsteam
20:20 <@Drag0n> yep, no bias there
20:20 <@rhia> cerkit: too .... ...  private/paranoid ... got a blog with one ignorable entry, nothing since
20:20 < cerkit> I can't imagine what their campaign will do to respond to Obama's 2 minute long ad, describing his plan to repair the economy.
20:21 <@rhia> cerkit: i argue mostly via email
20:22 < cerkit> Poor McCain has no hope with the economy issue.
20:23 <@Drag0n> probably call it untested, unreasonable, and continue to attack it without a real good alternative
20:23 < cerkit> Drag0n: I suppose.
20:23 < cerkit> It'll be a bit harder than most other commercials -- its long, and filled with points.
20:24 < cerkit> But, you're probably right.
20:24 < cerkit> 2 minutes is a long campaign ad.
20:24 <@Drag0n> very
20:24 <@rhia> cerkit: precisely, McCain's economic policy is ... fantastical ( as in, not based in any form of reality as we know it)
20:25 < cerkit> His-- McCain--'s financial philosophies are just as old as he is, thats all.
20:25 < cerkit> They work, if you're a precursory state, heading into an age of globalization.
20:25 < cerkit> But not afterward.
20:25 <@rhia> the man was ... doddering .. walking up to give his acceptance speech ... scary ....
20:25  * Catonic_lp locks Dagmar in a cage with cerkit and drops the word "Indymedia" between them.
20:26 <@rhia> and Palin would step up to take over the voice of the free world? utterly, completely terrifying
20:27 < cerkit> His VP pick is a perfect example of his ability to reason given today's issues
20:27 <@Drag0n> mcain walking up for his acceptance speach was less in control than when regan walked out of office with alzheimers
20:27 < cerkit> She runs the state most funded by an outside organization, in this case, the federal government.
20:28 < cerkit> Which is perfect for a VP with McCain's plans, if you think about it.
20:28 < cerkit> His economic plan would mean constant borrowing from creditor states like China.
20:28 <@Drag0n> runs it into the ground
20:29 < cerkit> Drag0n: We're already in the ground-- we're picking and choosing of the "too big too fail" entities that we'll bail out and essentially socialize.
20:30 < cerkit> When any healthy free market is far too correcting and competitive for "too big to fail" entities to even form.
20:31 < cerkit> McCain's plan is to continue deregulating, or at least, thats what he's said.
20:31 <@Dagmar> Never underestimate the power of greedy fuckers with no accountability in large numbers.
20:31 < cerkit> here-here.
20:31 < cerkit> Nor the people who follow-after the shiney objects they possess.
20:32 <@Drag0n> woohooo, shiny
20:33 < cerkit> I guess this is an Obama channel, huh?
20:33 <@Drag0n> not entirely, the macainophiles are in bed
20:33 < cerkit> who are they?
20:33 <@Drag0n> when rhia comes back, she can tell ya
20:33 <+MaxieZ> dc0de?
20:33 <+MxZBot> dc0de is mostly a nice guy, or prone to grabbing his firearms when provoked...
20:34 <@Dagmar> I think most of the people in here are still sentient, so, Obama
20:34 < cerkit> I have nothing against whomever they are.
20:34 < cerkit> I'm only curious to talk to them, to see what it is they see.
20:35 <@Feltenix> what if you think both choices are the wrong one?
20:35 < cerkit> Feltenix: Then you'd be NORMAL
20:35 < cerkit> hehe
20:35 <@Drag0n> hehe
20:35 <@Feltenix> yay!
20:35 <@Drag0n> anyone who wants the position, shouldnt have it
20:37 <+MaxieZ> Did you hear Palin wanted to charge rape victims for their rape kits?
20:37 <@Feltenix> glad I'm not the only one who feels that way, Drag0n
20:37 <@Drag0n> wanted to? she does
20:37 < AstralSin> Palin wants my cock
20:37 <+MaxieZ> Drag0n: Sorry...I wasn't sure so I hedged it
20:38 <@Drag0n> np
20:38 <@Catonic_lp> MaxieZ: she'd feel a bit differently if her daughter had been raped instead of concieved normally, in a quiet missionary position
20:39 <@Catonic_lp> Always remember the immortal words of (*mumble*): "Swallow or it's going in your hair."
20:39 <@Dagmar> oMGOMGOMG
20:39 <+MaxieZ> Personally, I've been on board with Obama for a while.  Though I'm a bit more left than most people in this channel
20:39 <@Dagmar> *deskpound*
20:39 <@Dagmar> NSFW
20:39 <@Dagmar> http://failblog.org/2008/08/05/wii-fail/
20:39 <@Drag0n> not really, considering the view of her church
20:39 < cerkit> MaxieZ: Bored how?
20:39 <+MaxieZ> cerkit: sarcasm or typo?
20:40 <@Dagmar> I am *so* bad for thinking that's funny
20:40 <@Drag0n> she's a domintionist
20:40 < cerkit> oh
20:40 < cerkit> oops
20:40 < cerkit> I totally misread that
20:40 <@Dagmar> D-o-m-i-n-i-o-n-i-s-t.
20:40 < cerkit> sorry
20:40 <@Drag0n> the feel that forced incest by fathers is ok
20:40 < juice> hi
20:40 <@Drag0n> thanks dag
20:41 <@Drag0n> these are the fir right crazies of the evangelicals
20:42 <@Drag0n> far
20:42 <@Dagmar> The worst thing about that video is that there was no tripod.
20:42 <@Dagmar> A *person* who could maybe have done something was holding the camera.
20:44 <+eryc> the worst thing is the 800 comments nested on the same page
20:44 <@rhia> i graduated from an evangelical far right missionary baptist school ... the Dominionists scare the fuck out of me ... they're NUTSO
20:44 < cerkit> '
20:45 <+eryc> i know all about the missionary
20:48 <@Dagmar> Let's just say they don't believe in the separation of Church and State
20:48 <@ShadowHntr> it seems like they want a theocracy
20:48 <@Drag0n> they want the end days
20:48 <@ShadowHntr> whatever happened to the clause in the constitution saying "no religious test would be required to hold an office"
20:48 <+MaxieZ> I think they're pretty clear and open about that.
20:49 <@Drag0n> maxiez, its iggnored
20:49 <@Drag0n> -g
20:50 <+MaxieZ> ShadowHntr: You're assuming the constitution has more weight than the bible.
20:50 <@rhia> cerkit: i graduated from them ... which taught me enough to Not believe in their BS ;)
20:51 <@ShadowHntr> MaxieZ: good point.
20:51 <@ShadowHntr> doesn't matter
20:51 <@ShadowHntr> it's just a god damn piece of paper...
20:51 <@ShadowHntr> :P
20:51 <@Drag0n> nope, the bible is filled with more BS than the constitution, so its heavier
20:51 <@ShadowHntr> and if the scotus declares these types of things unconstitutional, the religious right accuses them of "legislating from the bench"
20:51 <@ShadowHntr> :P
20:52 <@ShadowHntr> well of course they'll rule it unconstitutional if you draft an unconstitutional law...
20:52 <@ShadowHntr> :P
20:53 <@rhia> the  dominionists make the evangelicals (bushco) look reasonable .... ~shudder~
20:53 <@Drag0n> everyone says shit floats, it doesnt, it kind of just sits in the oval offie all day
20:54 <@rhia> shit floats on a basis of good fiver ... the shit from the right is nothing but hot air and condensed BS .... their shit don't float
20:54 <@Drag0n> yep
20:55 <@rhia> fiver/fiber
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21:09  * eryc /me /me
21:10 < M0j0-j0j0> headed home... peace
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21:30 <+eryc> wtfbbq
21:32 < juice> when are the speakers going to be up for pn?
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21:44 <@brimstone> lol
21:44 <@brimstone> a well deserved kick
21:47 <@tcstool> awesome
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22:00 <+eryc> wb tool
22:02 <@tcstool> thanks
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22:51 <@Evilpig> can everyone see butcherblockllc.com ?
22:53 < CRasH180> Yes, but receive "Notice: Use of undefined constant site - assumed 'site' in SYS:/users/websites/butcherblockllc.com/includes/header.php on line 5" err at top of page
22:53 <@Evilpig> he just turned that off
22:53 <@Evilpig> he had php debug turned on
22:53 < CRasH180> and now it is gone
22:54 <@Evilpig> damnit the redirects aren't on
22:54 <@Evilpig> gotta fix that
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23:29 <@sdodson> < groove> babies are pretty amazing even when there's just one of them and they are on time < fujin> ideally, I'd have twins  < groove> that way you always have a control group
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