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00:01 < Catonic_lp> hrm...
00:02 <@scort> htown
00:02 <@scort> hurricane town
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00:51 <@polerin> holy shit
00:51 <@polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pVJ4jgFpPg
00:52 <@polerin> from Dementia's LJ
01:12 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_A_E2renNE&NR=1
02:10 < eryc> good night and good luck!
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03:28 <@Catonic> unf
04:36 < aestetix> whew
04:36 < aestetix> that fart was stinky
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08:20 < Curbob> finally got into lich king beta last night
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08:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:38 <@Jagobah> goddamnit everyone's in the beta but me asdfasdfasdfkjl;
08:38 <@Dolemite> What beta?
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08:44 < nated0g_wrk> morning folks
08:50 < Curbob> lich king beta, I got an invite last night
08:51 <@Dolemite> ah, I don't have an invite, either
08:51 <@Dolemite> but I don't have a 70 yet, either
08:51 <@Dolemite> I'm at 57
08:52 < Curbob> they were suppose to have premades to use, but I could only copy my 70 over, hope that changes
08:59 <@brimstone> beta's suck
08:59 <@brimstone> alpha4life
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09:16 < Curbob> testing so many free betas helped me when I applied to work at Epic games as a tester, they pulled me right in for gears of war, cuz all my exp
09:17 <@I-MOD> nice
09:17 <@Evilpig> curbob you suck.  I still haven't gotten a beta invite
09:17 <@brimstone> exp++!
09:17 <@Evilpig> god knows I have turned in enough bugs and shit tt
09:17 <@Evilpig> too
09:22 <@someninjamaster> fame slow internet
09:24 <@Dolemite> why for?
09:27 <@someninjamaster> ugh im lagging about 25 secoinds behind me typing
09:32 <@someninjamaster> geez 25% packet loss and 58ms round trip  time
09:34 <@someninjamaster> nashville state needs to get their shit together
09:39 < Curbob> it had to be random, cuz I haven't even been playing lately and have never turned in a bug
09:53 < eryc> is lich king just another expansion?
09:54 <@Catonic> I just had what has been quite possibly the most disturbing dream ever.
09:55 <@Catonic> someninjamaster: set your mtu lower and see what happens
09:56 <@Catonic> I bet they got a douche somewhere who blocked all icmp
09:56 <@someninjamaster> its a school machine i cant do anything
09:56 <@someninjamaster> im already under watch
09:57 <@Catonic> um... complain. loudly, and verbally.
09:57 <@Catonic> question lineage and parental dating habits
10:11 <@nachoguy> also make wild accusations about things that are unrelated.  "King Henry the IV was a ginger!"
10:13 <+MaxieZ> Catonic: I remember being half awake and thinking that my children were crying because the firewall wasn't configured properly
10:14 <@nachoguy> MaxieZ: I had a friend tell me he had some weird dream that ended with a booming voice yelling "You can't firewall god!"
10:14 <@nachoguy> it became a bit of a catchphrase for a while
10:15 <+MaxieZ> heh
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10:40 <@nachoguy> damn.  That video that polerin posted from Dem's LJ is vicious
10:48 <@polerin> it's great isn't it
10:48 <@polerin> :D
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10:49 <@polerin> snm: heh, I just kept putty and some other stuff on a usb key
10:49 <@polerin> stand alone version of firefox, etc
10:50 <@nachoguy> I don't watch much political news shows (other than the occasional Daily Show or Colbert Report), but I've seen KO a few times as a gues on other shows.
10:51 <@nachoguy> I thought he was going along fairly fired up through the beginning, and then like half to three quarters of the way through he just goes crazy.
11:02 <@ziplock> link?
11:03 <@nachoguy> <polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pVJ4jgFpPg
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11:13 <@rhia> nachoguy: what was 'the crazy'?
11:13 <@rhia> iyo
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11:18 <@nachoguy> well, Like I said, i've only seen him a few times, and he was always so laid back.
11:18 <@nachoguy> it's the first time I've ever seen him get really worked up
11:20 <@polerin> hehe
11:20 <@polerin> I don't think he meens "crazy" as in stupid/wrong/insane
11:20 <@polerin> more as in "irate and on the warpath"
11:20 <@nachoguy> no, I guess frenzied would be closer to what I was looking for
11:20 <@polerin> ah
11:20 <@nachoguy> yeah, what polerin said
11:22 <@ziplock> that's close to his normal intensity, maybe just a tad more powerful since he's been fired... so has Tweety
11:23 <@polerin> he got fired?
11:23 <@nachoguy> where was he fired from?
11:23 <@ziplock> his show on MSNBC was cancelled
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11:23 <@ziplock> effective at the end of this month I think, not sure of the date
11:23 <@ziplock> Chris Matthews, too
11:24 <@ziplock> they deemed them too biased for an election season
11:25 <@rhia> or too honest
11:29 <@polerin> wow that makes me sad
11:29 <@polerin> there is no way to eliminate bias in reporting
11:29 <@SkyDog_> Dolemite: Ok, all your peeps are assured.
11:29 <@polerin> the best you can do is try to acknowledge it and minmalize it... but that requires acknowledging it.
11:29 < nated0g_wrk> today is going slow!
11:30 <@nachoguy> Skydog, is the website the only way to prereg or is there still the option of money orders and snail mail?
11:32 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: see the mailing list.  I addressed that issue specifically
11:33 <@Corydon76-dig> root@se2600.org
11:35 <@nachoguy> Do I need to be a member of the mail list to read the archives?
11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Are you not on that list?
11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> You probably do
11:39 <@nachoguy> ok, I'll sign up
11:39 <@Corydon76-dig> In answer to your question, use the website, select 'purchase order' as the method of payment, and send your check to the PO Box listed on the receipt email
11:43 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pVJ4jgFpPg
11:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Last year, I had something like 2 people who mailed in a check, so I didn't bother with it this year
11:47 <@nachoguy> hrm, I signed up and logged in, but I'm retarded and can't find the archive link
11:48 <@nachoguy> Ah, Link may not exist, but if you know what the URL is supposed to be, you can get in.
11:50 <+MaxieZ> Anyone know what the deal with hackaday.com is?
11:51 <@SkyDog_> He was having issues. Trying to get back online. No other details that I know of.
11:51 <@SkyDog_> Mubix found that yesterday.
12:00 <+MaxieZ> heh/quit
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12:05 <@polerin> lol
12:05 <@polerin> glad I'm not the only one that has pretype issues
12:05 <@polerin> ok
12:05 <@polerin> err.. shit.  pretype AND wrong window issues
12:09 <@brimstone> I understand that this charge will appear as Nashville 2600 Organ on my credit card.
12:09 <@brimstone> i just paied an Organ?
12:09 <@brimstone> *paid
12:10 <+MaxieZ> brimstone: perhaps you paid for THE Nashville 2600 Organ
12:10 <@Corydon76-dig> I could probably get that changed to "Org"
12:10 <@brimstone> i got THE organ!?
12:10 <@brimstone> the WHOLE organ!?
12:11 <@brimstone> or do i have to share it with ~200 sweaty guys?
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: No, just rental for a pipe
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: 400
12:11 <@brimstone> better be a big pipe
12:11 <@brimstone> or do i get my own?
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> 400 is what we're expecting this year...
12:11 <@brimstone> cool
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, trust me, I've got a big pipe
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12:14 <@SkyDog_> http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
12:14 <@SkyDog_> sfw
12:15 <@Dolemite> Then what's the point?
12:15 <@brimstone> another site from wrench?
12:15 <@brimstone> man
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12:21 <@Evilpig> skydog not funny.  I was hoping to actually get to see the cam.  asshole
12:21 <@Neoteric> there's a cam?
12:22 <@Evilpig> I wanna see the warning lights come on as they make subatomic blackholes
12:22 <@Corydon76-dig> SkyDog_: cute
12:24 <@Neoteric> Evilpig: where do you get that funky ircstat bits?
12:24 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: I was hoping for the same.
12:26 <@Evilpig> Neoteric: eh?  what funky stat bits?
12:26 <@Evilpig> the page?
12:31 <@Evilpig> great.  the current phone system is NI1 and the phone guy wants it to be NI2 so the phone company needs an act of congress to get that done.  damnit
12:31 <@Evilpig> I wish he would have told me this sooner
12:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: intimate to the phone switch tech that THEY screwed up the order, and it'll get fixed in 5 minutes
12:34 <@Evilpig> existing circuit
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12:34 <@Corydon76-dig> It's very easy for them to make the change; they just have processes of change management they need to go through generally
12:35 <@Evilpig> yeah I realize that.  just a pita dealing with the paper trail
12:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: yuck
12:35 <@Corydon76-dig> What sucks is that their change management process is generally a rubber stamp, so it makes very little difference to the overall result.
12:35 <@Evilpig> time for lunch.  then I can connect my fiber across the street. if UPS decides that red means before 5pm.  fuckin' lazy shit driver
12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: or someone from accounting signed for it, then forgot to give the package to you
12:36 <@Evilpig> do you there digium guys know anything about "altigen" ?
12:36 <@Evilpig> no I have tracked ti.  it's on the truck
12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't
12:37 <@Corydon76-dig> If it's electronics, you might ask I-MOD
12:37 <@Evilpig> hrmm.  hopefully this goes smoothly.  i've heard mixed reviews on this system.  i'll bbl
12:37 <@Evilpig> Neoteric: /msg me with what the hell you meant
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12:39 <@Evilpig> who the heck was dochench?
12:39 <@Dolemite> He's someone that has been in and out of the Nashville group for many moons
12:39 <@Evilpig> gotcha.  just saw him on the stat list for last week near the top
12:39 <@Evilpig> lunch now.
12:40 <@Shadow404> shit, im up to 6th place
12:46 <@Catonic> IT HAS BEGUN!
12:46 <@Dolemite> Mal'Ganis going down in 15 minutes.
12:47 <@Dolemite> That's not quite the end of the world, but it is the end of my lunch break.  heh.
12:49 <@Neoteric> Evilpig: http://se2600.org/ircstats
12:52 <@Catonic> My name recurs an awful lot.
12:52 <@polerin> hah
12:52 <@polerin> great quote from yesterday :P
12:53 <@polerin> and your still an ass for having that picture up there wilbur
12:53 <@polerin> esp given that you have missing and non-pictures for other people
12:55 <@Jagobah> http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1725/nineinchfailsur6.jpg
12:55 <@brimstone> apparently their whole tour has been like that
12:55 <@Jagobah> bwahahah
12:57 <@Dagmar> Hahah I love that one
12:57 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: submit a new photo of just your chest
12:57 <@polerin> uh, yeah.. how about not.
12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> On another topic, can anybody explain what "WiFi" stands for?
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12:58 <@polerin> wireless fidelity  iiirc
12:58 <@polerin> iirc even.
12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: how does that even make sense?
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12:59 <@brimstone> it's like HiFi, but wireless
12:59 <@Corydon76-dig> HiFi meant High Fidelity, but what's with the 'fi' in wifi?
12:59 <@Dagmar> Marketing.
13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: back to that, pretty much everybody in here, including Wilbur enjoys looking at tits, so why not?
13:00 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: Because I'm not just a pair of walking tits?
13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: It might get your face off that page
13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Or submit a cartoon of Bugs Bunny in drag
13:01 <@polerin> ..
13:01 <@polerin> yes.  Because I'm in drag
13:01 <@polerin> great.
13:02 <@polerin> I really don't know why I stay in here some times.
13:03 <@critch> oh wow, I actually made it into the top now.
13:03 <@Catonic> I think we should have a hammie BoF at PN
13:04 <@Catonic> that or an antenna ninja meeting
13:05 <@Catonic> I told Shadow how to make a yagi out of tape measure and he finally quit bitching about not being able to hit repeaters.
13:11 <@Dagmar> polerin: because you're just waiting for the moment when I slap someone crosseyed for being a jackass.
13:15 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: The answer to "why not?" would be because you don't like little boys.
13:15 <@Dagmar> ...but just keep making cracks like that.
13:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: eh?
13:17 <@Corydon76-dig> I must've missed something in that thought progression
13:17 <@Dagmar> Maybe you should scroll up
13:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I did.  How far do I need to scroll up for that to make sense?
13:20 <@Dagmar> Right about to: "<Corydon76-dig> polerin: back to that, pretty much everybody in here, including Wilbur enjoys looking at tits, so why not?"
13:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: are you saying polerin is a little boy?
13:20 <@Dagmar> No, I'm saying that crack was completely not cool.
13:21 <@SkyDog_> Dagmar: Where you parking your scooter?
13:21 <@someninjamaster> its a trap
13:21 <@polerin> heh
13:21 <@polerin> it's a tarp!
13:21 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: At the moment, in my dining area.
13:21 <@someninjamaster> skydog is going to throw it over his shoulder and run
13:21 <@SkyDog_> I mean at Vandy.
13:22 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: If the weather will cooperate tomorrow, I'll be tethering to the bike racks
13:22 <@SkyDog_> Outside the commons?
13:22 <@Dagmar> Yep
13:22 <@Dagmar> I still don't get why the students don't seem to want to use the other side at all
13:22 <@SkyDog_> Cool. Just wondering if there is any chuff from the parking nazis yet.
13:22 <@Dagmar> There's like 50 bikes on the poles on the other side
13:22 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: I think the point that dag was trying to make is that you are making jokes that rely on some pretty nasty assumptions, and gave you one back as an example.
13:23 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: Dunno.  I'll find out I'm sure.
13:23 <@Dagmar> I'm going to get a U permit just to cover my bases
13:23 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: the assumptions being that my body is there for everyone to stare at, and that gay guys like little boys.
13:23 <@Dagmar> Being that it's really a little scooter,, I don't see them getting all excited about it
13:24 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: If they make a fuss, I'll go down to OTP and explain to them what a 215lb object with wheels that costs $2700 amounts to
13:25 <@SkyDog_> true.
13:25 <@someninjamaster> Dagmar: what kind of milage do you get on that
13:25 <@SkyDog_> I just don't feel like having to goto the parking lot behind PAB or lot 77 to park.
13:25 <@Dagmar> someninjamaster: At the moment, ~80mpg
13:25 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you mean, you aren't a sexual object?  ;-)
13:25 <@someninjamaster> nice
13:25 <@Dagmar> It's kinda hard to be accurate because the fucking tank is so small
13:25 <@SkyDog_> I get 45MPG. I am tickled.
13:25 <@someninjamaster> what size engine does it have
13:25 <@someninjamaster> im getting 75
13:25 <@Dagmar> 125cc
13:26 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I was commenting on giving Wilbur a motivation to change the photo, since you dislike the facial pic so much
13:28 <@polerin> and your idea of motivation is that I should make the picture of myself, the way that most people in this community will see me, is a pair of boobs?
13:30 <@SkyDog_> Jesus christ.
13:31 <@polerin> SkyDog_: what.
13:32 <@SkyDog_> No no, lemme get outta your way. Go ahead. please, teach us.
13:32 <@Dagmar> I think perhaps SkyDog is saying this one's a no-brainer
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13:33 < ware> yay for boobies!
13:33 <@polerin> SkyDog_: oh please, I'd love to know what you think about this.
13:34 <@SkyDog_> I think it was a joke. I dunno what you think it was. Apparently, it was a personal attack.
13:34 <@SkyDog_> and No, you don't care what I have to say about it, really.
13:34 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but if he gets to make jokes about that, then I get to make pederast jokes
13:34 <@Dagmar> It's tacky.  :/
13:35 <@polerin> feh, i'm tacky
13:35 <@polerin> it's not an issue of tacky
13:35 < ware> whats a pederast
13:35 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: adult who has sex with teenagers
13:35 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty
13:35 <@Dagmar> ware: I'm just full of big words.
13:35 <@someninjamaster> Corydon76-dig: define teenager
13:35 <@polerin> SkyDog_: and actually, I am.  I don't like to assume I know how people feel or think.
13:36 < ware> never heard that one before
13:36 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: as opposed to pedophile, who has sex with pre-pubescent kids
13:36 <@Dagmar> ware: Catamite is another good one
13:36 <@NotLarry> Evil, are you here?
13:36 <@polerin> SkyDog_: I realize it was a joke, but considering some of the other shit I've had in here recently, it's not really funny.
13:36 <@SkyDog_> as opposed to Pedotilt, like ware. Someone who bangs chicks with a lazy eye.
13:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Generally, 'pedophile' is conflated to mean both, even though the mental diseases are different
13:37 < ware> ROFL pedotilt
13:37 < ware> ftw
13:37 < ware> i really hope she doesnt show up this year
13:37 <@SkyDog_> polerin: grow a thicker skin. You're gonna hear worse at times. It's the problem with being in a public chat room.
13:37 <@polerin> SkyDog_: not to mention that while it's intended as a joke, it's an example of the same attitude that lead that asshole to think he could lay hands on lissa a fewe years back.
13:37 <@Dagmar> The "ped(e)" part clues most rednecks in that it's a "bad word" but "catamite" slips right past them
13:37 <@Corydon76-dig> I hope Lissa kicked his ass
13:38 <@polerin> SkyDog_: Oh I've got a plenty thick skin.  I'm still here, and I've said far worse to myself than anyone in here can ever manage
13:38 <@Dagmar> She didn't quite "kick" it.  Hehe
13:38 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: she cold cocked him from what I remember .
13:38 <@polerin> the point remains that she shouldn't have to put up with that kind of behavior
13:39 <@Dagmar> Hi-larry-us
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13:40 <@polerin> and even the joking assumption that trading my body is the best way to get something is really sort of offensive.
13:40 <@polerin> considering the way women are treated for real in this community.
13:41 <@polerin> I'm not telling you not to say things.
13:41 <@polerin> say whatever the fuck you want.
13:41 <@ladymerlin> um
13:41 <@polerin> but you can't then turn around and tell me what I can and can't say in response
13:42 <@ladymerlin> how are women treated for real in this community
13:42 <@someninjamaster> ladymerlin: sudo go make me a sandwich
13:43  * ladymerlin smakcs someninjamaster 
13:43 <@someninjamaster> haha
13:43 < MudFlap> and bring me a beer.
13:43  * ladymerlin makes not to flaten mudflaps tires
13:43 <@ladymerlin> note
13:44 <@someninjamaster> MudFlap: sat we are all going to be trying to figure out why all our tires are flat
13:44 <@polerin> ladymerlin: Good example.  The owner of javanco trying to tell a story about javanco, while being surrounded by a large group of drunk guys with cameras chanting for her to take her shirt off
13:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Does it make a difference that I treat men in this community the same way that I treat women?
13:45 <@ladymerlin> yeah ive had that happen, you get over it
13:45 <@ladymerlin> or kick ther eass heh
13:45 <@polerin> ladymerlin: does it make it right?
13:45 <@ladymerlin> or both
13:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Actually, wait, no, I don't.  I treat women better.
13:45 <@polerin> ladymerlin: is that kind of behavior likely to drive women out of the group?
13:45 < ware> homoes
13:45 <@SkyDog_> I treat men and women the same. I am a manipulative asshole to both! Teh WIN!
13:46 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: sex object
13:46 <@ladymerlin> lol
13:46 <@someninjamaster> buttsects
13:46 <@SkyDog_> heh.
13:46 < ware> Corydon76-dig: creepy mustache man
13:46 <@polerin> not all of them, obvioiusly, but in general?
13:46 < ware> apparently i did donuts in teh backyard
13:46 < ware> last night
13:46 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: what happened to "Colonel Sanders"?
13:46 < ware> hes not creepy, hes cool
13:46 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: I was about to comment on your sexism, but you corrected it for me :)
13:47 <@SkyDog_> women that are in this community tend to understand that guys are visually motivated creatures. THey also understand that given the chance, we'd look at tits as opposed to rational conversation. Much like the rest of the men out there.
13:47 <@polerin> SkyDog_: and so the women that are part of this community should subjected to the men's will?
13:47 <@polerin> just to make the men happy?
13:47 < ware> yes?
13:47 <@polerin> they should have to take their shirt off just because men like it?
13:48 < ware> i bet he has me on ignore still =/
13:48 <+MaxieZ> SkyDog_: While this is certainly true and something I think more women should grasp and not hate us for....We are still capable of having decent conversations and thinking about something other than T&A for a few moments (I hope)
13:48 <@ladymerlin> he you dont have to, and if your sm,art youy  dont
13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I think ware should have to take his shirt and his pants off when he's in my vicinity
13:48 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: yes, but you don't see a large group of people looming over them.
13:48 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: Does he HAVE to or WANT to?
13:48 <@critch> heh, trying having a rational conversation whil standing much taller than a woman in a low cut shirt sitting down. Then think about that woman being Hayden Panettiere
13:48 <@ladymerlin> tho there are some that jump at the chance to
13:48 <@SkyDog_> polerin: No. But they have free will. They can decide to do so or not. In the same way we could all chant for you to go away, you have the free will not to.
13:49 <@polerin> ladymerlin: and that's their choice.  The pressure to do so shouldn't be applied to everyone in the group
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: Oh, I hope he thinks he's sexy enough for that
13:49 < ware> (  o Y o  )
13:49 <@SkyDog_> critch: Hayden is hot. You would forget what you are talking about for sure.
13:50 <+MaxieZ> ware: very witty
13:50 <@polerin> SkyDog_: Do what you want man...  I'm trying to make a point.  All I'm saying is that the low percentage of women in this group isn't because women aren't interested in tech.
13:50 <@critch> SkyDog_: I almost did too.
13:50 <@someninjamaster> ware: kick them up to dd's
13:50 <@polerin> Same with other groups
13:50 < ware> (         o     y    o         )
13:50 <@SkyDog_> polerin: But you are saying the reason they are not around is because we abuse them verbally? Where do you get this intel from? Are we constantly asking to see your tits?
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: nipples are on the wrong side
13:51 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: Depends on the surgeon.
13:51 <@polerin> SkyDog_: dood. maverick crusing PN how many years in a row asking to take pictures of boobs?
13:51 <@polerin> pressuring my wife to do so, even after she has said no multiple times?
13:52 <@critch> heh, I remember being close by in one of the halls one year and getting to see two girls get topless. Nice.
13:52 <@SkyDog_> polerin: He was obviously drunk.
13:52 <@polerin> so?
13:52 <@polerin> the culture allowed it
13:52 <@SkyDog_> I have done the same thing. We're visual creatures, remember?
13:52 <@ladymerlin> some guy offered me money to show mine
13:52 <@polerin> I never heard one of the security squad say shit to about it
13:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Indict the culture, then
13:52 <@ladymerlin> and followerd me around thae con
13:52 <@polerin> I AM
13:52 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: Agreed!
13:53 <@SkyDog_> Burn the males!
13:53 <@SkyDog_> Wait, Nevermind.
13:53 <@dc0de> boobies!
13:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Indict the culture, but leave us out of it.
13:53 <@ladymerlin> and cue dc0de
13:53 <@ladymerlin> lol
13:53 <@SkyDog_> polerin: the women have to say they are being bothered, and the security staff would have cleared them out.
13:53 <@dc0de> sup ladymerlin -- lol
13:53 <@polerin> I'm saying THIS mini-culture is structured in a way in that would make most women uncofortable.
13:53 <@SkyDog_> Most women don't need to be in this culture.
13:53 <@polerin> spelling aside.
13:54 <@polerin> Just the ones that can put up with being constantly asked to expose themself
13:54 <@SkyDog_> This is so far outside what the rest of the world lives in.
13:54 <@Corydon76-dig> The only way to change that is to get more women into the culture
13:54 <@SkyDog_> That is why newbies come and go. they can't hack it.
13:54 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: So men aren't responsible for their own culture?
13:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Same as the lunch counter protests in the 50s.  You don't get change by staying away
13:54 <@polerin> s/culture/actions
13:55 <@dc0de> I don't think that most "women" care about technology.  before you bash my generalization, I'm NOT talking about women in technology, I'm talking about "normal" women, who shop at macy's, and sachs.
13:55 <+MaxieZ> dc0de: True, but most men don't either
13:55 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: As long as the credit card machine works...
13:55 <@polerin> dc0de: I'm talking about most women that would be interested in joining this group and learning
13:55 <+MaxieZ> At least not to our level of caring
13:55 <@SkyDog_> Men are SCUM!!!!
13:55 <+MaxieZ> But certainly men care more
13:55 <@polerin> yes, that's what I'm saying
13:55 <@polerin> you're all scum.
13:55 <@polerin> </snark>
13:55 <@polerin> bullshit.
13:55 <@SkyDog_> Let's all group hug... I think we'll all feel better.
13:55 <@polerin> You are responsible for your own actions.
13:56  * Corydon76-dig hugs SkyDog_ 
13:56 <@dc0de> polerin: you think that most technology focused women haven't learned how to deal with chauvinist pigs yet? I beg to differ.
13:56 <@Corydon76-dig> <grope> <grope> <grope>
13:56  * dc0de takes pictures
13:56 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: Get you hand off my ass. Thanks. That's better.
13:56 <+MaxieZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU
13:56 <+MaxieZ> That video is perfect
13:56 <@dc0de> what happens at phreaknic goes on youtube
13:56 <@polerin> dc0de: Knowing how to deal with them and choosing to be involved with them outside of work are two different thigns
13:56 <+MaxieZ> He's a man...there's an attractive women in front of him
13:56 < ware> polerin: for the record, id like to see your tits
13:57 < ware> please*
13:57 <@polerin> ware: for the record, I don't give a fuck about what you want
13:57 <@SkyDog_> HAHAHAHA!!!!!
13:57 <@SkyDog_> Sorry, in the floor laughong on that one.
13:57 < ware> i mean that was genuine
13:57 <+MaxieZ> Sure he's in front of the world, sure it's an important moment in his career...but you still check out her ass.
13:57 <@polerin> and so was my response.
13:57 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: for the record, I'd like to see your tits, too
13:57 < ware> youve seen mine! theyre on the net
13:57 <@brimstone> whore
13:57 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: with an option to rub and lick them
13:58 <@polerin> Nor anyone else in this channel really.  I'm not here to satisfy your wants.
13:58 < ware> omg brim you said you loved me
13:58 <@dc0de> MaxieZ: Hell, I check out every woman's ass, even when my wife is with me.
13:58 <@polerin> I'm here of my own volition.
13:58 <+MaxieZ> dc0de: exactly
13:58 < ware> polerin: so no bewbz?
13:58 <@brimstone> ware: that was only to get pics of your tits
13:58 < ware> :(
13:58 <+MaxieZ> Me too...hell my wife even points them out in case I miss them
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13:58 <@dc0de> I think that men lose their ability to think when they are reviewing a new set of boobs...
13:58 <@SkyDog_> polerin: You brought volition? I only brought ham and cheese.
13:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Jeff and I used to check out guys when we were together
13:59 <@polerin> hell lissa checks out people when we are togeather.  Occasionally so do I.  That's FINE
13:59 <@polerin> there's a huge difference between checking someone out and leering,  and between leering and pressureing someone to expose themself for your pleasure.
13:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Point is, men can be just as much the target of sexual objectification as women
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13:59 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: yeah, except they aren't in this culture
13:59 <@critch> dc0de: hell even reviewing a well known set sometimes too.
14:00 <@dc0de> critch: always... always, always...
14:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, just ask ware how many times I begged him to come back to my room (in my defense, I was drunk)
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14:00 <@dc0de> remember, I have a pornographic memory
14:01 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I beg your pardon.  I do my damndest to objectify men in this culture
14:01 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: I have that skill along with topographic analysis. I can determine the make/brand of underwear thru clothing now.
14:01 <+MaxieZ> Please...I've been married for 15 years and my wife takes off her clothes and I'm a deer in headlights
14:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Err, uh, hi guys
14:01 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: Don't objectify me!
14:01 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: it's pretty much you, Al, and coil, with hundreds of men, whereas there are hundereds of guys that are involved with this that are focused on the ~15 or so women usually
14:01 <@dc0de> SkyDog_: I can't tell the underwear, but I can tell the sizes pretty well...
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14:01 <@Corydon76-dig> SkyDog_: Too late.  :-)
14:01 <@SkyDog_> I can't stnad this pressure!
14:02 <@SkyDog_> polerin: Can I ask a somewhat serious question? how in the hell did you get to become such an expert on this?
14:02 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: you got the optional stress loading package. Cool.
14:03 <@polerin> SkyDog_: I'm not saying I'm an expert
14:03 <@polerin> SkyDog_: and I've actually said shit about this before
14:03 <@polerin> as well as some of the racist and classist crap that goes on in here too
14:04 <@SkyDog_> Ah. ok. Just wondering...
14:04 <+MaxieZ> I do talk shit about rich white people
14:05 <@polerin> It's just that everyone triggers off the fact that I'm trans and all the sudden "Since she's a woman (or if you're ware "He".. thanks asshole.) all the sudden she feels like she's all oppressed and shit."
14:05 <@polerin> ... no.
14:05 <@Neoteric> SkyDog?
14:05 <+MxZBot> Everyone loves magical trevor!!, or a drink, or an I/O error 32
14:06 <@someninjamaster> objectifying men == al
14:06 <@SkyDog_> You're arguing that the women in this culture are opressed by us males, while the only woman talking in here is telling us that you just hold you own and go with it.
14:07 <@polerin> SkyDog_: by the way, what am I to you?
14:07 <@SkyDog_> Honestly?
14:08 <@polerin> Well, I already know you don't see me as a woman from the above comment
14:08 <@polerin> so sure, go ahead.
14:09 <@SkyDog_> To me, You're a guy with tits.
14:09 <@polerin> good to know where we stand.
14:10 <@polerin> which probably meens that you view me as a bit of a freak
14:10 <@polerin> as well
14:10  * polerin shrugs
14:10 <@polerin> I am, though that's not the reason I would list for it
14:10 <@SkyDog_> You will never be on the other end of men leering at you in the same way that women do.
14:10 <@polerin> yes you're right...  That's why I had to deal with it just the other day.
14:10 <@SkyDog_> You cannot comment on their feelings in the same way that I cannot.
14:11 <@SkyDog_> You have not been female all of you life, so that does not give you the ability to pull from past experience and comment on it.
14:12 <@SkyDog_> If you had someone leer at you, it would be the same as me dressing in drag and getting hit on by a drunk guy... a very drunk guy.
14:12 <+MaxieZ> I had a good friend who was intersexed (he passed away last year), and from that....I try not to classify people that way
14:12 <+MaxieZ> I know group people into....yeah I'd hit that or nope
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14:12 <@SkyDog_> So when you come around and start telling us how it is, I don't put alot of stock in it.
14:12 <@polerin> SkyDog_: no, it wouldn't.
14:12 <@SkyDog_> Ladymerlin, or rhis, I would.
14:12 <@polerin> SkyDog_: first of all, you're way bigger and stronger than I
14:12 <@polerin> and this is making no comment about weither you would pass or not
14:12 <@SkyDog_> and I have nice legs.. so what?
14:13 <@SkyDog_> if I shaved them, I might be attractive....
14:13 <@SkyDog_> right?
14:13 <+MxZBot> wrong?
14:13 <@polerin> (because to be honest, I think that'd be damn funny"
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Very nice legs.  ;-)
14:13 <@SkyDog_> Guys??
14:13 <@SkyDog_> thanks corydon.
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14:13 <@SkyDog_> I need to trim my toenails. I keep getting a runner in my hose.
14:13 <@polerin> anyway, the difference is that you dressing up in drag and going out does not put you at the same risk as I have.
14:14 <@polerin> I have lost over 1/3 of my strength, and even though that's not the only thing that can ensure my safety it does make a difference
14:15 <@polerin> and weither YOU see me as female or not, knowing what you do, and having known me prior to transition, I DO get read as a woman by most people.
14:15 <@polerin> and I DO have the same social interactions, and while I may not have the history to back it up, that can actually put me at greater risk
14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> If your hormones are affecting your ability to defend yourself, perhaps you should talk to your doctor about changing the combination
14:15 <@polerin> simply becasue I may not recognize what is going on.
14:15 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: yes because large bulky arms makes it so much easier for me to pass in day to day life
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> You've never had bulky arms
14:16 <@polerin> I'm not complaining about my loss of strength.  There are safty upsides to it as well.
14:16 <@polerin> for a woman?  yeah I did.
14:16 <@polerin> trust me, this is my life ;P
14:16 <@polerin> there's a difference between a skinny guy arm and a skinny woman arm.
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Let's compare your arms to ladymerlin's
14:16 <@SkyDog_> So you are saying that you're afraid you will be raped?
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Why do you care what other people think?
14:17 <@polerin> SkyDog_: That's a fear.  Not a big one as I don't go out much, but it is a fear.
14:17 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: because what they think can affect their reactions towards me
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> I know plenty of women with muscles
14:17 <@polerin> and can make my life very difficult
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I date women, not because dating men makes my life difficult
14:18 <@polerin> anyway so if someone did decide to grope me/try to rape me, I'm actually at a much higher risk of being murdered as well
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> I could give a shit what people think about me sticking my enormous up other guys asses
14:18 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: If I were going to take the "easy" road, I wouldn't be out as trans all over the place
14:18 <@polerin> I would have left #se2600
14:18 <@polerin> and I damn sure wouldn't be having THIS discussion.
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> If I were taking the easy road, I wouldn't have hit on anybody in se2600.  Two can play that game
14:19 <@polerin> basicly I'm having to justify my existance and my experience to a bunch of people.
14:19 <@SkyDog_> Bitch fight!!!
14:19  * polerin headdesks
14:19 <@polerin> I'm not SAYING your taking the easy road
14:19 <@polerin> I'm saying that I'm not.
14:19 <@polerin> But that doesn't meen I should have to make my life harder.
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm saying that I haven't either
14:19 <@polerin> I don't WANT bulky arms
14:19 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: ...  Ok.. so now this is about you?
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> LIfe is a tradeoff
14:19 <@polerin> :)
14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Deal with it.  Everything is a compromise
14:20 <@polerin> ...
14:20 <@polerin> uh
14:20 <@polerin> Duh?
14:20 <@polerin> I made my compromise
14:20 <@polerin> I was describing the results of that compromise
14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> You're making a big deal about how you made a compromise and now you're having do deal with that.
14:21 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: because skydog said that his going out and getting hit on or sexually assaulted is the same as if I did.
14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I'd say the same about myself
14:21 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: Strength is one aspect of that.  I brought it up as a difference.
14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> And I'm sure I'm significantly weaker than SkyDog
14:22 <@polerin> you're likely stronger than I
14:22 <@polerin> at this point
14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> or if not weaker, considerably less skilled in self defense techniques
14:22 <@polerin> though I've other advantages if it came to a fight ;)
14:23 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: and again... I'm not saying anything about you.  Skydog was telling me how I'm just a man with tits, and that no man would ever want to fuck me/rape me/hit on me/leer at me.
14:23 <@SkyDog_> NO, I did NOT say that.
14:23 <@SkyDog_> You are adding your own slant to it.
14:24 <@SkyDog_> I said that you're a guy with tits.
14:24 <@polerin> <@SkyDog_> You will never be on the other end of men leering at you in the same way that women do.
14:24 <@SkyDog_> You will not.
14:24 <@polerin> and why is that?
14:25 <@SkyDog_> You will not have grown up in the same atmosphere. It's the same thing if I were going around telling people about the injustices I felt after walking around with my body painted black. I can't comment on the life of a black man.
14:25 <@SkyDog_> See?
14:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Probably because that for the majority of your life, you've presented as a male, so you lack the perspective
14:25 <@polerin> and so because I've grown up in a different atmosphere, people who don't know that will automatically not leer at me
14:25 <@SkyDog_> No, they might.
14:25 <@polerin> my perspective has nothing to do with their leering
14:25 <@SkyDog_> But you are not able to comment on it the same way as a woman would.
14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you really should read the book _Black_Like_Me
14:26 <@ladymerlin> prespective has a majior part of it
14:26 <@polerin> And so it doesn't affect me, and I should just shut up?
14:26 <@polerin> I realize that.
14:26 <@SkyDog_> If I get dressed up in drag, I might get leered at too. That does not make me any closer to understanding the conditions a woman lives under.
14:26 <@polerin> sorry that should be to lm
14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> It doesn't affect you in the same way as it affects women who have presented as women their entire lives
14:26 <@polerin> SkyDog_: yes because you're not LIVING AS A WOMAN
14:26 <@polerin> whereas people view and interact with me as a woman all day long.
14:26 <@SkyDog_> polerin: You aren't either.
14:26 <@polerin> maby not in here.
14:27 <@SkyDog_> You've not made the full transition, although you are on the hormones and dressing as a woman.
14:27 <@polerin> Oh that's right, they automatically know I'm "a guy with tits."
14:27 <@polerin> SkyDog_: so.. I dress as a woman, I pass, and people who I'm not out too view me as a woman
14:27 <@Lissa> omg..are we seriously back on this again?
14:28 <@SkyDog_> We don't interact with you as a woman, either in the real world or here.
14:28 <@polerin> which means that I'm obviously not living as a woman
14:28 <@polerin> SkyDog_: becasue I'm out, and you have made your views on what I am perfectly clear
14:28 <@polerin> SkyDog_: which, by the way is a good reson I don't show up.  I don't need to be treated like a freak, kthx.
14:29 <@SkyDog_> We don't treat stefanie like a freak. She does not tell use constantly how we're bastards for being men.
14:29 <@polerin> SkyDog_: you're not me, you don't live as me, don't try to tell me what I experience.
14:30 <@polerin> I'm also not stefanie.  we are two totaly different people.
14:30 <@SkyDog_> I have NO idea what you experience, nor comprehend WHY you would want to go down the path you went down.
14:30 <@polerin> and that's fine, as long as you don't try to tell me what I'm experiencing.
14:31 <@polerin> which is effectively what you did.
14:31 <@SkyDog_> Then don't tell me I am wrong for being male.
14:31 <@polerin> I'm not
14:31 <@SkyDog_> Sigh.
14:31 <@polerin> I'm telling you that your actions and the culture that you are existing in is driving women out of the group.
14:31 <@ladymerlin> only the ones who dont need to be in it in the first place
14:32 <@ladymerlin> if they cant handel it
14:32 <@ladymerlin> then they should leave
14:32 <@SkyDog_> because you are dressing like a woman, you are now a subject matter expert on it, right?
14:32 <@ladymerlin> its less drama that way
14:32 <@polerin> ladymerlin: yes "not needing to be in it" meening "not willing to put up with being treated as con-whores."
14:32 <@ladymerlin> im not treated as a con whore
14:32 <@polerin> SkyDog_: no, because I *LISTEN*
14:32 <@ladymerlin> then again i dont fuck the whole con
14:32 <@SkyDog_> do you seriously think you are going to be treated like a con whore if you show up?
14:32 <@ladymerlin> with most of the con whors do
14:33 <@polerin> SkyDog_: No, actually I think I'd be treated worse, given my history with the group of people running the convention
14:34 <@SkyDog_> Ah. you have issue with Dolemite and myself, eh?
14:34 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I think if you don't come to the con with the intention of confronting people and having arguments, you won't even be a topic of conversation
14:35 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: yes because stephanie wasn't a topic of conversation when someone made the remark "Well I'm bored, but not bored enough to go upstairs and play tranny chess" to me
14:35 <@nachoguy> Polerin, not that I really want to get in the middle of this, but even if the con staff had an issue with you, the rest of the congoers don't know you.  You'd likely get a few extra looks for being female, but unless you started wearing miniskirts and sitting on random guys laps, you wouldn't be viewed as a conwhore
14:35 <@polerin> stefanie even
14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, you better spell her name with an 'F'.  She'll kick your ass
14:36 <@polerin> nachoguy: I'm not talking about being a con whore.  You really think that nobody who knows me would mention that I'm trans?  That kind of shit spreads like wildfire
14:37 <@Corydon76-dig> So?
14:37 <@SkyDog_> Hey, if you wanna transition and not have anyone know, you have to move to a different continent. Even at that, you aren't safe from gossip.
14:37 <@polerin> at which poitn I wouldn't be treated as a con-whore, I'd be treated as a transperson.
14:37 <@nachoguy> yeah, you're right, there would be posters up and guy with a bullhorn following you around yelling "Tranny Alert"
14:37 <@SkyDog_> Hell, YOU are the one who picked the road you're walking down.
14:37 <@polerin> nachoguy: ware's showing up right?
14:37 <@SkyDog_> He'd better.
14:37 <@nachoguy> polerin, he's more of a conwhore than most.
14:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, and I'll be hitting on him the entire time
14:37 <@polerin> nachoguy: the point being is I know he'd love to out me
14:38 <@SkyDog_> I doubt he;d get a bullhorn and do that, unless you confronted him and started some shit.
14:38 <@nachoguy> besides, he'd be too busy playing musical chairs to follow you around
14:38 <@polerin> I'm out, and I don't mind being out, but I know for a fact that nasty shit gets said.
14:38 <@SkyDog_> YOU OUTED YOURSELF.
14:38 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I'd love to cornhole a lot of guys.  Your point?
14:38 <@polerin> no, really?
14:38 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: you ask permission first.
14:38 <@nachoguy> and this is where I drop out of the argument
14:38 <@polerin> ware on the other hand refers to me as a guy
14:38 <@SkyDog_> so the fact that you picked to do something so against the mainstream means we can't have an opinion, or talk about it amongst ourselves????
14:38 <@polerin> and makes snarky comments
14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> And I refer to ware as my bitch
14:39 <@polerin> SkyDog_: no, it just meens I reserve the right to not want to be around the negitivity.
14:39 <@polerin> so, I don't go.
14:39 <@SkyDog_> point taken.
14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Sounds like someone is afraid of sitting at the lunch counter
14:39 <@polerin> I don't feel the need to be around people that refer to me as "he"
14:40 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: ... No. I'm not.
14:40 <@polerin> I'm saying that I don't feel the need to pay 150 to sit at a lunch counter by myself.
14:41 <@polerin> you're perfectly happy to take my money.  :)
14:41 <@Corydon76-dig> $150?
14:41 <@polerin> hotel
14:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Go home at night.  don't drink.
14:41 <@SkyDog_> $25.
14:41 <@SkyDog_> prereg. $20
14:41 <@polerin> SkyDog_: and how much a night for rooms?
14:41 <@SkyDog_> Volunteer, get a free shirt. What a bonus!
14:41 <@SkyDog_> $79, If I recall.
14:41 <@polerin> I don't like going home, and I don't drink as much as I used too
14:41 <@polerin> how much is three nights?
14:42 <@polerin> hell, Lets even assume that I don't stay over thursday like I genrally would
14:42 <@polerin> two nights
14:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Using the new math, $177
14:42 <@SkyDog_> Three? I would assume somewhere on the order of $240. Two, $160ish.
14:42 <@polerin> then two admissions?
14:42 <@polerin> (assuming prereg)
14:42 <@polerin> that's actually $200.  Thanks, but no thanks.
14:43 <@SkyDog_> i don't HAVE to take your money. It is compensation for the content and swag.
14:43 <@SkyDog_> I am not taking your money to be a dick, it's to pay for this shindig.
14:43 <@polerin> you're right.  and I dn't mind paying for those things
14:43 <@SkyDog_> If you think $200 is tall cash for two nights at a con, goto shmoocon in DC.
14:43 <@polerin> I just choose not to participate, because I don't want the other shit that would go with it for me.
14:43 <@SkyDog_> or DefCon in Las Vegas.
14:44 <@polerin> and I might this year.  really have wanted too
14:44 <@SkyDog_> At last count, it cost almost $2000 for LadyM and I to go.
14:44 <@polerin> but I odn't have the history with either of those cons that I have with PN
14:44 <@SkyDog_> But i will be at Defcon and Shmoocon. Wouldn't that be an issue. I might run around the con with a bullhorn and a sign.
14:44 <@polerin> so it meens less to me to be called out at those cons
14:44 <@SkyDog_> Like I ahve fucking time at a con to do that.
14:45 <@polerin> It doesn't take a bullhorn and a sign
14:45 <@SkyDog_> LIke I have the motivation to do anything like that instead of hanging out with friends and meeting new peeps.
14:45 <@polerin> all it takes is you referring to me as "he" a couple times
14:45 <@SkyDog_> ah. yeah. in a crowd of 8000, I would make a large impact.
14:45 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you can stay in my room.  Just ignore the 2 guys screwing in the next bed.
14:45 <@SkyDog_> there are people that I know that went to defcon, that I txt'd, that I never got to see.
14:45 <@polerin> no, you likely wouldn't.  BEcause less people know me there.
14:46 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: You let two guys screw in your room?
14:46 <+MaxieZ> Can't they get their own?
14:46 <@polerin> MaxieZ: yeah isn't that fucked up?
14:46 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: sure, as long as I'm one of them
14:46 <@SkyDog_> But for some reasxon, you think we would have a large desire to run around and OUT you, like you're that important.
14:46 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: actually, a 3way would kick ass
14:46 <@SkyDog_> If you show up and cause a scene, people will talk.
14:47 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: would your wife let you?
14:47 <@SkyDog_> Ifyou showed up and just hung out, maybe people would not get the torches and chase you out of the village.
14:47 <@polerin> I just think it's sad that the prevaliing culture is that only women who are willing to put up with multiple guys asking them to take their shirts off over the course of a con *should* be part of the culture.
14:47 <@SkyDog_> But you seem to think that because you ahve done what you have, that you are for some reason important enough for people to make a big deal of.
14:47 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: I don't know...she's probably encourage it knowing her.
14:47 <@polerin> SkyDog_: yes, because all I've done over the past months of being in here is starting fires.
14:48 <@polerin> SkyDog_: and I've contributed nothing else
14:48 <@SkyDog_> Stefanie exists without torches and we don't seem to get into arguments like this with her on IRC.
14:48 <@polerin> SkyDog_: you got into arguments like this with me prior to anything trans
14:48 <@polerin> heh
14:48 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: If both of the other guys are bi, would she want to join in?
14:48 <@polerin> it's called a dissagreement
14:48 <@polerin> and it happens
14:48 <@polerin> It also happens that I've got a big mouth.  That's something I deal with in my daily life
14:49 <+MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: I think it has more to do with her wanting me to be in a lot of pain
14:49 <+MaxieZ> We've been married for a while you see
14:49 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: Well, she'd fail, there
14:49 <@SkyDog_> I agree that it's a disagreement. Your big mouth gets you into trouble more than us waving signs and bullhorns.
14:49 <@SkyDog_> so don't put it on us.
14:49 <@SkyDog_> we didn't decide to wave a flag and make you do what you did.
14:50 <@polerin> I'm not putting it on you, I'm saing that what would most likely happen would end up with me having to have this discussion, because i'm not willing to just put up with it
14:50 <@polerin> and I don't waive a flag either.
14:50 <@SkyDog_> in addition, we didn't decide to band together and be 'against' you. You decided to do something different then chastise us for not being sympathetic to your cause.
14:50 <+MaxieZ> polerin: Probably because ware would start it
14:50 <@polerin> I didn't start this.  I'm not the one who suggested that I should take a picture of my chest in order to bribe a guy to do something.
14:50 <@polerin> MaxieZ: exactly
14:50 <@polerin> even if he didn't start it with me
14:51 <@polerin> it would happen in some way
14:51 <@SkyDog_> So you should hide in your world and not come out to PN. Ok. Point taken.
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14:51 <@SkyDog_> It's gonna happen for the rest of your life, I would surmise. Maybe I am wrong. I just don't see how it's gonna change anytime soom.
14:51 <@polerin> and somebody, possibly someone who is well intentioned, would say something about it.  Depending on my mood and the ammount of alchy I've had, my response will be different.
14:52 <@nachoguy> you could just walk around and wear a tigger costume like my buddy did last year.
14:52 <@poiupoiu> nachoguy, that was your friend? did he get Al's number?
14:52 <@polerin> nachoguy: bah.   tigger is for boys ;)
14:53 <@nachoguy> poiupoiu, Al's number?  I think Al got everything he wanted.
14:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Fine.  Wear a Kanga costume
14:53 <@polerin> heh
14:53 <@SkyDog_> polerin: I guess I succumb to your reasoning. I think it's best that you don't show up. We would not want to anger you with our opinions.
14:54 <@polerin> SkyDog_: I don't really care what you want or don't want to be honest.  It's not about you.
14:54 <@Corydon76-dig> No, it's about the damn evil culture
14:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Evil evil evil culture
14:54 <@SkyDog_> Augghhh!!!! the culture is coming to get me!
14:55 <@SkyDog_> polerin: Then we are at an impass.
14:55 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no, it's about the fact that I'm not welcome.  That's cool, I can deal with that.  I don't need that fight, I've enough to do without trying to play nice in order to re-integrate myself with a group who doesn't respect who I am.
14:55 <@SkyDog_> your reasoning on why you aren't going to show up is evident.
14:55 <@polerin> SkyDog_: I would hope so, we've been talking about it for the past .. 45 minutes?
14:55 <@polerin> :P
14:55 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: No, you're welcome to show up.  What you aren't is WILLING.
14:56 <@SkyDog_> No, I am just tired of arguing in circles with you.
14:56 <@brimstone> you guys still talkin' aboot boobies?
14:56 <@SkyDog_> sort of.
14:56  * Corydon76-dig plays with brimstone's boobies
14:56 <@nachoguy> Brimstone, yes.  Show yours to Corydon
14:56 <+MaxieZ> polerin: Really, I think the problem is this "culture" has a lot of imature people in it...Always will...it's the nature of the topic.
14:56 <@polerin> brimstone: actually no, we are talking about how I'm an argumentitive guy with boobs who thinks "he" knows it all.
14:57 <+MaxieZ> polerin: and imature/young people are naturally going to say stupid things because they don't have the wisdom not to.
14:57 <@polerin> MaxieZ: and thefor it's ok for them to be immature without having anyone say anything.  kaaaaaaaay....  ;P
14:57 <@brimstone> nachoguy: i have none :(
14:57 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: sometime, when we're not at work, I'll show you that you're wrong.  ;-)
14:57 <+MaxieZ> polerin: I didn't say that...but it's also not like they're going to get mature over night
14:57 <@SkyDog_> polerin: you put your finger on it.
14:58 <@polerin> MaxieZ: eh. I don't even really expect change, but I hope against hope.
14:58 <@polerin> SkyDog_: and since that's how you see me, I've no real need to be around a group of people that are higly influenced by you.
14:58 <@Corydon76-dig> You hope, but you're going to stay away?
14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> That doesn't sound like hope; that sounds like resignation
14:59 <+MaxieZ> polerin: Good.   Hope is fine...but really the kids are always going to be here...since new ones are going to keep getting into "hacking"
14:59 <@polerin> you can have both
14:59 <@SkyDog_> Highly influenced by me? Yeah, that's right, I am a manipulative bastard.
14:59 <@scort> wtf is this drama
14:59 <@SkyDog_> scort: It's Thursday.
15:00 <@SkyDog_> didn't you get the memo?
15:00 <+MaxieZ> and until sexism is completely a thing of the past (Can anyone even imaging that in their lifetime?) it's going to continue to be an issue.
15:00 <@poiupoiu> TNT's new reality show?
15:00 <@scort> nah man
15:00 <@nachoguy> Scort, shadow is in prison; just ask brimstone  =
15:00 <@nachoguy> =>
15:00 <@scort> no he's not
15:00 <@scort> it was all a lie
15:00 <@polerin> SkyDog_: while I happen to agree with you on that, I'm just going to point out that there's not much that you too do that gets a whole bunch of argument, and if there is dissagreement on it, it generally turns into a fullfledge flamewar with snarky comments instead of real discussion.
15:00 <@poiupoiu> we should send him some soap on a rope
15:00 <@polerin> MaxieZ: it's never going to be a thing of the past if people don't speak up
15:00 <@nachoguy> scort, apparently so is the cake
15:01 <@scort> that has always been a lie
15:01 <@scort> nothing new
15:01 <@SkyDog_> polerin: when you throw one of those, aim about 1/2 inch lower. You were the one that said I was manipulative.
15:01 <@nachoguy> I was unaware of the lie until recently
15:01 <@SkyDog_> people have their own free will.
15:01 <@polerin> MaxieZ: I don't really see why it's even a point of discussion that women shouldn't have to deal with being asked to show their boobs over and over.
15:01 <@polerin> SkyDog_: when?
15:02 <@SkyDog_> I dunno. Probably two months ago.
15:02 <@SkyDog_> The flames started, and that was your comment.
15:02 <@nachoguy> polerin, to be fair, that happens in lots of places, not just at cons
15:02 <+MaxieZ> polerin: I'm certainly not debating the merits of that.
15:02 <@polerin> nachoguy: and I'd say the same thing in those places too
15:02 <@SkyDog_> It pissed me off then, and every time you tell me how I am wrong.
15:02 <@nachoguy> clubs, bars, sporting events, public bathrooms,
15:02 <@polerin> MaxieZ: you may not be, but read back
15:03 <@polerin> MaxieZ: there are multiple instances of "well that's just how men are" comments in there
15:03 <+MaxieZ> polerin: I'm pointing out the reality that imature teenagers will most often carry the most biased and bigoted ideas as  in many ways they've yet to learn to think for themselves.
15:03 <+MaxieZ> and this scene/culture attracts teenagers.
15:03 <@polerin> MaxieZ: the people involved weren't teens.  and I don't meen this discussion.
15:03 <+MaxieZ> polerin: Ok.
15:03 <@polerin> well, weren't mostly teens
15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: if you like, I'll walk around PN12 with a digital camera and ask every guy "Show me your tits"
15:03 <@polerin> there were a few, that's true. :P
15:04 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: why would I like that?
15:04 <@rhia> MaxieZ: and a good way for them to outgrow that is to have older, wiser mentors point out that they may be welcome but their idiocy is UNwelcome
15:04 <@SkyDog_> Corydon, I think there is a video of me showing mine.
15:04 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: well, then we can make a calendar of that
15:04 <@nachoguy> Skydog, sadly, I'm almost positive of that
15:04 <+MaxieZ> rhia: I think it helps...I wouldn't say it's a good way.
15:04 <@SkyDog_> nachoguy: I have a copy of it.
15:04  * Lissa pounces rhia
15:05 <+MaxieZ> rhia: Or I should say an effective way.
15:05 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: ... again, how does this make it better that women are being pressured over and over to do things they dont' want to do?  (some may, but when someone says no, and it keeps happening?)
15:05 <@poiupoiu> Corydon76-dig, as long as i don't get added to the private collection and have my face blurred abit, i can live with that
15:05 <@polerin> MaxieZ: what is an effective way then?
15:05 <@SkyDog_> I think we pride ourselves on being about to drop to teh level of adolescent humor, as some of us are getting older. When necessary, we are self-policing.
15:05 <@rhia> MaxieZ: well, it certainly DOESN'T help if the older people ignore and/or tacitly condone the idiocy
15:05 <@polerin> rhia: or actively engage in it
15:05 <+MaxieZ> polerin: time really....education
15:06 <@polerin> MaxieZ: and what exactly is education except for someone speaking up?
15:06  * Lissa pokes Rhia and Erin 
15:06 <@polerin> should we pass out pamphlets?
15:06  * polerin pokes lissa back
15:06 <@Lissa> :P
15:06 <@polerin> I know
15:06 <+MaxieZ> rhia: I haven't condoned anything.  I'm merely stating that we're always going to have idiots among us.
15:06 <@Lissa> you know what?
15:06 <@rhia> quite simple - if someone calls themselves male, female, or Qualusian - that's how they should be addressed
15:06 <@polerin> Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverything
15:06 <@Lissa> heh
15:06 <@SkyDog_> MaxieZ: I'm the biggest one! woohoo!
15:06 <@Lissa> i still don't have a fucking clue what's going on
15:07 <+MaxieZ> polerin: It would have to be a voluntary thing...some kind of...here is a book...go read it.
15:07 <@polerin> lol
15:07 <@Lissa> i think i'm missing half of the conversation
15:07  * Lissa shrugs
15:07 <@NotLarry> SkyDog_: you there?
15:07 <@polerin> MaxieZ: .. so ... printing books
15:07 <@rhia> MaxieZ: just joining in on the tail end .... nothing personal, just you gave the open comment <g>
15:07 <+MaxieZ> You can't change someones mind.
15:07 <@NotLarry> rhia: How is the relationship going?
15:07 <@SkyDog_> polerin: one on one converstaion. understanding. Time.
15:07 <@polerin> well, you most definatly don't if you never say anything
15:07 <+MaxieZ> polerin: and that was an example. :)
15:07  * rhia pokes Lissa 
15:07  * Lissa pokes back
15:07 <@polerin> hehe
15:07 <@Lissa> whatchoo doin?
15:07 <+MaxieZ> polerin: You can't change someones mind.  They have to be willing.
15:07 <@polerin> MaxieZ: I know that.
15:07 <@NotLarry> you girls want to get a room or give me time to get some tissue?
15:08 <@Lissa> ew.
15:08 <@polerin> ....
15:08 <@polerin> lol
15:08 <@rhia> but a mind won't change at all without new data
15:08 <+MaxieZ> NotLarry: so apropos
15:08 <@rhia> and learned behavior is exactly that - Learned Behavior
15:08 <@SkyDog_> Shotgun blasting your beliefs into the crowd does not work. It often generates enemies. having a frank one- on one discussion is usually better. a person is smart, where people are stupid.
15:09 <@polerin> SkyDog_: Beyond the fact that I DO have 1-1 discussions
15:09 <@polerin> thank you very much,
15:09 <@polerin> I don't think that I should have to sit down and shut up and just be a nice little girl
15:09 <@polerin> thanks, but no.
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15:09 <@rhia> SkyDog_: considering the times i saw polerin attempt to have intelligent convo with ware about it - and how ware responded ....
15:09 <@nachoguy> Skydog, I love that line.  Do you realize you just quoted/paraphrased from "Men In Black"?
15:09 <@NotLarry> Has anyone heard the new republican vp talk?  I keep trying watch her speeches but I get so caught up in touching myself while she is on screen I never catch what she is saying.
15:09 <@SkyDog_> rhia: I didn't say it ALWAYS worked.
15:10 <@polerin> or the times I've sat and talked with you about it?
15:10 <@rhia> SkyDog_: but at least she has tried
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15:10 <@SkyDog_> nachoguy: Yes. thanks for pointing out my penchant for Tommy Lee Jones LInes.
15:10 <@nachoguy> NotLarry, listening to the morning radio people, I don't think you're alone in that.
15:10 <@nachoguy> Skydog, what can I say, I
15:10 <@nachoguy> 'm a quote-whore myself
15:10 <@polerin> anyway I have a conference call
15:10 <@SkyDog_> polerin: you didn't take my advice. I said you needed to sit down and tell people one on one. You shotgun blasted the channel witha webpage.
15:10 <+MaxieZ> Perhaps the quote should be: a person is smart, ware people are stupid.
15:10 < eryc> motherfucking diaf!
15:10 <@NotLarry> SkyDog_: like, the video I got of you having a "frank one- on one discussion" with rattle?
15:11 <@polerin> ..
15:11 <@polerin> webpage?
15:11 < Tuttle|> the "a person is smart people are not" line predates MIB
15:11 <@polerin> oh
15:11 <@SkyDog_> NotLarry: I calmly told him to leave me alone.
15:11 <@polerin> the letter where I came out to the channel?
15:11 <@SkyDog_> do you have the an original? I want a copy.
15:11 <@NotLarry> looked calm, I'll give you that
15:11 <@Dagmar> OMG HE'S A TERRURIST!
15:11 <@NotLarry> came out of what/
15:11 <@NotLarry> ?
15:11 <@polerin> SkyDog_: a copy of what?
15:11 <@polerin> the webpage?
15:11 <@nachoguy> Tuttle|, what's the origin?
15:12 < eryc> what?
15:12 <@SkyDog_> polerin: no. lotlarry's copy of the video of me and rattle 'fighting.
15:12 <@SkyDog_> if you can call it that.
15:12 <@SkyDog_> heh.
15:12 <@nachoguy> Skydog, it's on youtube
15:12 <@rhia> SkyDog_: um ...... i get the context, not seeing so much the continued reason for someone continuing the attitude just because of the method -
15:12 <@nachoguy> it's rather dark, but you can make out parts of it
15:12 < eryc> http://www.crucialbrutal.com/site_images/PRODUCT_sarah_palin.jpg
15:12 <@SkyDog_> nachoguy: I thought it was taken down.
15:12 <@rhia> the first shock, ok, maybe some people had issues, but this much later?  pfft
15:13 <@SkyDog_> rhia point taken.
15:13 <@nachoguy> Skydog, oh, was it?  I dunno, I haven't looked for it since just after last year's PN
15:13 <@SkyDog_> I asked him to take it down after 30 or 60 days.
15:14 < eryc> shutup pls
15:14 < Tuttle|> nachoguy: damnit now i have to site sources, *goes and looks up oragin*
15:14 <@SkyDog_> eryc: um, fuck off?
15:14 <@NotLarry> Wait, the shock over what?  Damn, I got to stop surfing porn so much and start paying more attention
15:15 < eryc> yay silence
15:15 <@SkyDog_> Shock and awe.
15:15 <@SkyDog_> eryc: you can choose not to listen. isn't that today's lesson?
15:15 <@nachoguy> Tuttle, it's just better if I can cite a source that I know is the original.
15:15 < eryc> i cant hear anything, its text
15:16 < eryc> and from what i can read, its mostly bullshit
15:16 < eryc> it hurts my eyes :(
15:17 <@Evilpig> bah!  foiled by lack of patch cable
15:17 <+MaxieZ> So anyone doing anything special for 9/11?  Throwing a party?  Getting raped by the government etc?
15:17 <@SkyDog_> Thanks for your opinion. I choose not to adhere to your standards.
15:17 <@Evilpig> need a sc to lc single model fiber cable 
15:17 <@SkyDog_> MaxieZ: I'm going for a ride on my motorcycle.
15:17 <+MaxieZ> Evilpig: that'll do it
15:18 <@SkyDog_> then I am going to go kill babies or something.
15:18 <@rhia> at least this may be constructive BS, better than the juvenile negative BS
15:18 <@Evilpig> one of you go work for at&t really fast and see if you can't get my PRI fixed today instead of next thursday too
15:18 <@Evilpig> SkyDog_: kill kittens instead.  it'smore fun
15:19 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: I see. Hmmm. Putting a note to self to kill kittens later today...
15:19 <@Evilpig> can Corydon76-dig watch that?
15:19 <@SkyDog_> "killing small animals? Isn't that the first sign of a serial killer" "There's no women and two moons!"
15:19 <@nachoguy> s/watch/taste/
15:20 <@SkyDog_> "What else am I supposed to do!?
15:20 < Tuttle|> nachoguy: citing a person is going to be nearly impossible :( too much gobbildy gook in google about MIB , but the people/person thing goes back to the theory of mob mentality
15:21 < Tuttle|> now im gonna have to cross reference sociology writings :(
15:21 <@nachoguy> tuttle, what that says to me is that Tommy Lee Jones may have a time travel device.
15:21 <@nachoguy> not that worried about it
15:23 <+MaxieZ> nachoguy: likely and a very good theory
15:23 <@SkyDog_> BRB, gotta CaCert Notlarry...
15:23 <@nachoguy> Skydog, is that code for something?
15:23 <@NotLarry> I use God as a proxy to kill kittens for me.
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15:23 <@nachoguy> like "Jello wrestle"?
15:24 <+MaxieZ> NotLarry: run firefox as root?
15:24 <+MaxieZ> God kills a woman everytime you make a reiser fs and a kitten when you run a web browser as root
15:25 <@nachoguy> MaxieZ++
15:25 <@Dagmar> I can assure him, too.
15:25 <@NotLarry> I don't have root.  I have submitted to the wishes of our masters and run only microsoft products now.
15:25 <@Dagmar> Of course, I'm going to wait a half hour so all my new pseudorandom passwords can develop weird problems
15:26 <@NotLarry> They broke my spirit (and gave me cash)
15:26 <+MaxieZ> Would you prefer administrator?
15:26 <@Dagmar> like he walked away from his computer
15:26 <@Dagmar> and now I have it
15:26 <@Dagmar> Pfft.
15:26 <@NotLarry> yes, that could cause problems with your passwords
15:28 < nated0g_wrk> hey NotLarry long time no talk
15:30 <@nachoguy> Dolemite makes you run Windows?  Isn't that against the Geneva convention or some such?
15:30 <+MaxieZ> NotLarry works for Dolemite now?
15:30 <@nachoguy> Hasn't he for like a year now?
15:31 <+MaxieZ> Why do we even have PN?  You guys can just have a company meeting
15:31 <@Evilpig> hey now.  I haven't sold my soul to vandy yet
15:31 <@nachoguy> MaxieZ, but it'd deprve me of a chance to come down south of the Mason-Dixen line
15:31 <@Evilpig> i'm holding out for a pr0n hosting job with maxiez
15:31 <@NotLarry> Work is a generous term.
15:31 <@polerin> MaxieZ: because they can't pressure people to take their shirt off at company meetings without getting sued for sexual harrassment </snark>
15:32 <@nachoguy> and Corydon's holding out for a pr0n acting job with MaxieZ
15:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: you and MaxieZ?  That would be hot
15:32 <@Evilpig> someone tell this asshole to stop it. Sep 11 15:31:47 hotbox sshd(pam_unix)[11634]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=218.75.48.230  user=root
15:32 <@brimstone> denyhosts
15:32 <+MaxieZ> iptables?
15:32 <+MxZBot> iptables is a tool for communists
15:33 <+MaxieZ> ~botsnakc
15:33 <+MxZBot> MaxieZ: no se
15:33 <@Evilpig> he isn't gonna get anywhere with root.  it's locked out
15:33 <+MaxieZ> ~botsnack
15:33 <+MxZBot> thanks maxiez :)
15:33 <@Evilpig> and there is only one other live account ont hat box.  so fuck em
15:33 <+MaxieZ> Still that will stop it
15:33 <@brimstone> what's the script that'll auto change a chain in iptables for stuff like that?
15:34 <+MaxieZ> jigga wha?
15:34 <@nachoguy> Brimstone, you meant the DOS yourself script?
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15:35 <+MaxieZ> iptables -I INPUT -j DROP -s `grep sshd /var/log/messages|grep 'authentication failure'|awk '{print $13}'|sed 's/.*=//'`
15:35 <+MaxieZ> that's the script
15:35 <@polerin> fail2ban
15:35 <+MaxieZ> Just make sure you always log in correctly
15:36 <@polerin> is another script ;P
15:36 <@Evilpig> there is another way to do it after like 4 failures
15:36 <+MaxieZ> I'm sure he didn't mean mine :)
15:41 <+MaxieZ> https://pastebin.ca/1200407
15:41 <+MaxieZ> Now that may have a bug or two, but it's pretty much right on
15:48 <@Evilpig> I blocked webserver.ingenieriaambiental.cl
15:48 <@Evilpig> iptables v1.3.0: host/network `webserver.ingenieriaambiental.cl' not found
15:48 <@Evilpig> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
15:48 <@Evilpig> heh
15:49 <@Evilpig> found you a bug
15:50 <@Dagmar> When did specifying hostnames to iptables become a good idea?
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15:50 <@Dagmar> Ah nevermind, doesn't matter that damn much
16:00 <+MaxieZ> I don't think that's so much a bug as...well the domain doesn't exist.
16:02 <+MaxieZ> Host webserver.ingenieriaambiental.cl.nationalnet.com not found: 5(REFUSED)
16:02 <+MaxieZ> Hawt
16:05 <+MaxieZ> Oh damn...I just realized that looked up my host :)
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16:51 <@SkyDog_> critch: You around?
16:54 <@critch> yeah, whats up?
16:55 <@SkyDog_> Got a question, bike related.
16:55 <@critch> shoot
16:56 <@SkyDog_> I bought the stock endcaps for my yamaha. They are threaded. I don't have the original handlebars for my bike. Hence, no nuts/capture collars.
16:56 <@SkyDog_> So how do they normally retrofit in?
16:57 <@critch> They don't then. I really think you would do well by getting a different set of bars.
16:57 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm.
16:57 <@critch> The ones on the bike when I looked at them were bent
16:57 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, just a bit. I like the size/design/look of them on the bike though.
16:57 <@SkyDog_> so when you buy endcaps, how are they secured if there are no threads?
16:58 <@critch> Yeah, but from a controlability standing, you would do well to have them a bit wider
16:58 <@SkyDog_> Can I buy aftermarket ones to fit non-standard handlebars?
16:58 <@SkyDog_> true.
16:58 <@critch> if there are no threads, then you don't get endcaps like that.
16:58 <@SkyDog_> True, but how do non-standard endcaps fit on?
16:58 <@Dagmar> Duct tape
16:59 <@critch> My guess is that the manufactuerer of the bars you have thought they would be short enough to not vibrate at a speed that would bother you much.
16:59 <@SkyDog_> Dagmar: Funny. :)
16:59 <@SkyDog_> I'm not worried about vibration, I lost one of the endcaps. I just wanna replace them.
17:00 <@critch> Well the endcaps are many times weighted. Not sure about what the ones on your bike are like. They are weighted such that the weight dampens vibrations.
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17:00 <@SkyDog_> I understand that...
17:00 <@SkyDog_> I am trying to figure out how to attach a pair...
17:00 <@Dagmar> Mucilage.
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17:02 <@critch> SkyDog_: do you have a trailer hitvch on your truck?
17:02 <@SkyDog_> Nope/.
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17:02 <@critch> do you at least have a receiver?
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17:02 <@SkyDog_> Nope. Never needed one. We have a truck in our family with a hitch. We just borrow it.
17:02 -!- Catonic_lp changed the topic of #se2600 to: Skydog>  I am trying to figure out how to attach a pair...
17:03 <@critch> okay, you feel confident enough to bring a bike bake from being totaled to ridable for LM?
17:03 <@SkyDog_> LM?
17:03 <@SkyDog_> Oh, I get wha tyou're saying.
17:03 <@SkyDog_> What have you got?
17:04 <@SkyDog_> and, yes.
17:04 <@SkyDog_> bout vibration, I lost one of the endcaps. I just wanna replace them.                      .@SkyDog_
17:04 <@critch> I was looking over a website called crashedtoys.
17:05 <@critch> friend of mine mentioned it the othernight as he is looking for some vstar 1100 parts. Kind of thought maybe between the 2 of you, you could get one of them and split the cost/parts. Also saw some on there I would feel more comfortable with LM riding that the one she mentioned on her blog.
17:06 <@SkyDog_> Which one?
17:07 <@critch> just about any of them with a larger motor
17:07 <@SkyDog_> AH. 500cc?
17:07 <@critch> I just don't think she will be happy on a 250
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17:08 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, we've talked about that...
17:09 <@SkyDog_> Here's a 2004 metropolitan for $125. holy shit.
17:10 <@SkyDog_> If it's running, then the rest can be fixed with a little elbow grease...
17:11 <@SkyDog_> You bastard! Why did you show me this site!?!?!
17:12 <@critch> I thought I was helping
17:12 <@SkyDog_> hehe!
17:12 <@Dagmar> What site?
17:12 <@Dagmar> Oh
17:12 <@SkyDog_> We'd have to goto stillwater, right? ROAD TRIP!!!
17:13 <@Dagmar> lol
17:13 <@Dagmar> Check VINs
17:13 <@critch> yeah, and I have a trailer that you could use.
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17:14 <@SkyDog_> http://www.crashedtoys.com/ImageViewer.asp?StockNumber=212147&Image=212147/Picture_105.jpg
17:14 <@SkyDog_> ~minilink
17:14 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/crashedtoys.com/262c9.asp
17:14 <@SkyDog_> That has to be the best so far.
17:14 <@critch> yeah, saw several burnt harleys
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17:15 <@critch> hehe, http://www.crashedtoys.com/Item.asp?StockNumber=232598&
17:15 <@SkyDog_> What does that tell you...
17:15 <@SkyDog_> Harley riders shouldn't smoke in bed...
17:15 <@SkyDog_> saw that one...
17:15 <@Dagmar> Tells me that pouring gasoline should be done carefully.
17:15 <@critch> retired police car, just $1075
17:15 <@Dagmar> Cigarette should be in the mouth, not in the other hand.
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17:16 <@Catonic_lp> critch: url?
17:16 <@critch> ~miniurl
17:16 <+MxZBot> i haven't a clue, critch
17:16 <@critch>  ~minilink
17:16 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/crashedtoys.com/YYoyX.asp
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17:17 <@critch> oh hell, a boat but the trailer is fubar for only $25, http://www.crashedtoys.com/Item.asp?StockNumber=164178&
17:18 <@Catonic_lp> ouch. that's a bluesmobile if ever I've seen one.
17:18 <@SkyDog_> a 2003 triumph 955i Daytona for $400.00
17:18 <@SkyDog_> samn.,
17:18 <@SkyDog_> damn.
17:19 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.crashedtoys.com/ImageViewer.asp?StockNumber=217488 <- that scares me.
17:19 <@critch> SkyDog_: not a bad find
17:19 <@SkyDog_> The buell?
17:20 <@Catonic_lp> 2002 Buell Blast. This bike damaged the front fender, forks, windshield, both front signals, the mirrors are gone, gas tank, rear brake pedal, shifter, right rear signal is missing the lens, left rear cowling, rear belt sprocket and the tires are thin. It has 5046 miles
17:20 <@I-MOD> it's hard to imagine how they fucked up the trailor that bad
17:20 <@Catonic_lp> ... I hope he can still walk.
17:21 <@critch> Catonic_lp: when a bike goes down, it damages a lot of stuff just because the bike bounces around. The forks show he hit something head on, but they don't look too bad.
17:22 <@critch> time to run home
17:23 <@Catonic_lp> I-MOD: never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.
17:23 <@Catonic_lp> <xamox> there is no Large Hadron Collider particle accelerator, only the atom splitting power of Chuck Norris's Roundhouse Kick.
17:24 <@SkyDog_> Lates critch.
17:32 < eryc> never underestimate large people in stupid numbers
17:33 <@Corydon76-dig> or a stationwagon full of backup tapes
17:33 <@Drag0n> never underestimate stupid numbers ON large people
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17:35 <@SkyDog_> http://www.skydogview.com/index.php\
17:35 <@SkyDog_> http://www.skydogview.com/index.php
17:36 <@Dagmar> Heh.  Same helmet I have, 'cept mine is silver
17:37 <@SkyDog_> CL-15? I like it.
17:38 <@Dagmar> Yep
17:38 <@Dagmar> Almost all the plastic bits come off easy, too.
17:39 <@SkyDog_> Like what? the stickers? I don't want the plastic to come off!!!!
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17:40 <@Dagmar> Well, the stickers peel off pretty easily, but...
17:40 < eryc> http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/funnyroadsigns/stacking/stacking5.jpg
17:40 <@Dagmar> I'm talking about the trim around the facehole and the bottom of it and so forth
17:40 <@Dagmar> All that comes off pretty easily so you can paint the thing and then put it back together
17:41 <@Dagmar> This is something I checked out carefully.
17:41 <@Dagmar> Once I get the helmet properly decorated I'll probably blast it with a coat of enamel
17:41 <@SkyDog_> Ah, I get ya.
17:41 <@SkyDog_> Ok, time to fire up the "Hog" and go home.
17:41 <@Dagmar> heh
17:44 <@Dagmar> I need to find some little horns for mine
17:45 <@Catonic_lp> SkyDog_: squeal like a pig, big boy.
17:47 <@Dagmar> Oh my
17:47 <@Dagmar> http://www.helmetsetc.com/detail.asp?product_id=BG-DOT-MATT
17:47 <@Dagmar> DOT approved nazi helmet
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18:08 < M0j0-j0j0> love the topic
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18:39 <@Shadow404> so i just got my gun license in the mail after 2 1/2 weeks
18:39 <@Shadow404> not bad
18:47 < nated0g> congrats Shadow404
18:47 < nated0g> mine was about 5 weeks
18:51 <@Shadow404> just gotta buy he 9229 off dad now, he has a spare one he was gonna give my bro before he moved to sealttle
18:52 <@Shadow404> *p229
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19:29 <@aestetix> mmm
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20:02 <@aestetix> Jesus christ.
20:02 <@aestetix> I am not watching this video.
20:02 <@aestetix> Of Palin saying the war was God's plan
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20:13 <@sdodson> aestetix: link
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20:18 <@sdodson> http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=346
20:19 <@brimstone> i need to print more things to decorate my office
20:19 <@brimstone> have one of "those" doors
20:19 <@brimstone> like that sdodson
20:21 <@sdodson> brimstone: "those" ?
20:21 <@brimstone> the ones with all the stuff from the last 981374 years
20:22 <@brimstone> little sniplets and clipings from everywhere, but typically one one newspaper/magazine
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20:43 < AstralSin> well fuck
20:44 < AstralSin> i got this new router so i could use wifi with my laptop now i cant find my wireless card
20:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Not tonight; I have a headache
20:44 < AstralSin> ew
20:44 < AstralSin> i am not down with the buttsex
20:44 < AstralSin> oh, theres my card
20:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Nobody's forcing you
20:45 <@Dagmar> Awesome
20:45 <@Dagmar> Live feeds of the Hadron collider
20:45 < AstralSin> link please
20:45 <@Dagmar> Okay, so they're a little dull, but stilll
20:45 <@Dagmar> http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
20:45 < AstralSin> maybe we can catch the end of the world in action
20:45 <@Corydon76-dig> SkyDog posted it earlier
20:46 <@Corydon76-dig> If you close closely, it's from yesterday, even
20:46 < AstralSin> hah
20:46 < AstralSin> i thought today went by REALLY slow
20:48 < AstralSin> well, god damnit, it seems as though this card is also dead
20:49 <@Corydon76-dig> winblows?
20:49 <+MxZBot> You linux weenies look so petty and small-minded when you do that.  (http://www.silly.names.is.not.an.effective.argument.com/)
20:50 < AstralSin> nm, just a bad pc card slot
20:50 <@mtown_nerd> lol MxZBot
20:51 < AstralSin> today at work made me hate microsoft products more than ever before
20:51 <@Corydon76-dig> winblows?
20:51 <+MxZBot> Windows doesn't blow; it sucks.
20:51 < AstralSin> specifically sql server 2000 msde, its fuckin dumb
20:52 < AstralSin> to uninstall it, you gotta use add/remove, msizap, and regedit, then to reinstall it you have to specify a blank sa password or it errors
20:54 < AstralSin> yay! my wireless works again
21:06 <@aestetix> vagina
21:08 <@aestetix> sql server 200 is a piece of shit
21:09 <@aestetix> SQL Server 2005 was.... generations better.
21:10 <@polerin> SQL server period
21:10 <@polerin> sucks.
21:10 < AstralSin> oh, i agree, but the product i work with ships with 2000 msde, unless the client buys enterprise
21:10 <@polerin> but yeah 2k is worse
21:10 < AstralSin> no argument there
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21:14 < geoffscoffee> evenin
21:14 < AstralSin> hiya
21:14 < geoffscoffee> ah! live ppl, or good bots
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21:19 <@polerin> According to dole, I'm a bot.
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21:21 < geoffscoffee> well, he is kinda smart...
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21:26 <@sdodson> hi
21:26 <@sdodson> MxZBot: no, winblows is You linux weenies look so petty and small-minded when you do that. (http://www.silly.names.is.not.an.effective.argument.com/)
21:26 <+MxZBot> okay, sdodson
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21:35 <@Evilpig> submitting a glass only claim on progressive.com is pretty neat
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21:46 <@TdC_VgA> http://www.nextbignashville.net/player
21:46 <@TdC_VgA> can i get a status on the feed?
21:46 <@coil> nah
21:46 <@TdC_VgA> the audio is bad, but we can't control that right now
21:46 < Synx_hm_> yay my kitty is better
21:47 <@TdC_VgA> the line we've been given is way wayyyyy too hot / unmixed
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22:16 <@someninjamaster> Synx_hm_: you back state side
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22:41  * polerin twiches
22:41 <@polerin> palin is on
22:41 <@polerin> channel 2 (abc)
22:41 < CRasH180> eh doing what?
22:41 <@polerin> interview
22:41 < CRasH180> hitting kittens with hammers?
22:41 <@polerin> flailing
22:41 <@polerin> flailing BAD
22:41 <@polerin> oh wow.
22:43 <@polerin> "I've been focused on the war since 9-11"
22:43 <@polerin> .. the war hasn't been going ON since 9-11...
22:44 <@Corydon76-dig> It's the war against flank attacks
22:48 < Cinotac> I'm about one more annoyance from leaving this town.
22:49 <@polerin> oh wow
22:49 <@polerin> she's basicly saying yes she would invade pakistan
22:49 <@Corydon76-dig> No, she's ducking the question
22:50 <@Corydon76-dig> like any good politician
22:50 < CRasH180> three times he asked that question
22:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Talking past the question
22:50 <@polerin> meh.  She said that all options had to be on the table
22:50 < CRasH180> bob, weave, bob
22:50 <@polerin> which includes invading pakistan
22:50 <@polerin> doesn't meen she'd decide to do it
22:50 <@polerin> but she's willing to.
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22:51 <@Corydon76-dig> We don't know anything more about what she'd do before the question than after
22:51 <@polerin> fine let me rephrase
22:51 < CRasH180> what do they call that?
22:52 <@polerin> she's saying she's willing to invade pakistan
22:52 < CRasH180> word vomit? is that what that was?
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Talking past the question
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Talking points
22:52 <@polerin> that doesn't mean she actually would actually invade
22:52 <@polerin> yeah
22:52 <@polerin> she's trying hard to talk past
22:54 <@polerin> O_O
22:54 <@polerin> did she just say that?
22:55 < CRasH180> yep
22:55 <@polerin> holy shit
22:55 <@polerin> lol
22:56 <@polerin> not that they'll act on it
22:56 < CRasH180> oh, never. I am....sure......well....yeah, sure of that
23:01 < Cinotac> I think I'm getting a bit old to get stabbed in the back.
23:01 < Cinotac> but I have a feeling that "you're never too old for that.'
23:02 < CRasH180> You are never too old
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23:51 <@aestetix> Oh god.
23:51 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU
23:51 <@aestetix> Please tell me this is a hoax.
23:51 <@aestetix> If it's not, I'm really scared of Palin.
23:52 <@brimstone> not a hoax
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