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00:25 <@timoguin> anyone know anything about ISBN databases?
00:25 <@timoguin> I'm wanting to start a local book trading website.
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> why what's up
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhhh
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> you should contact ingram book group
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> they may be able to help you
00:25 <@timoguin> Is it a free database that can be aquired from somewhere?
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> www.ingrambook.com
00:25 <@timoguin> I just googled and found isbndb.com
00:26 < eryc> what about amazon webservices
00:26 < eryc> why do you need the whole db?
00:27  * timoguin shrugs
00:27 <@timoguin> I don't now.
00:27 <@timoguin> Amazon has the whole DB, so why shouldn't I have it?
00:28 <@ShadowHntr> yes, but amazon keeps is ALL in stock
00:28 <@timoguin> I'm just trying to find out if it's some exclusive thing that you have to jump through holes to get or what.
00:28 <@ShadowHntr> perhaps you should talk to the administration of your local public library system
00:31 <@timoguin> Maybe.
00:31 <@timoguin> isbn.org
00:31 <@timoguin> Has some info about bowker.com.
00:32 <@timoguin> And that has some stuff about booksinprint.com.
00:32 <@timoguin> Looks like Bowker is the company that managers all the ISBN stuff.
00:32 <@timoguin> *manages
00:49 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number#External_links
00:49 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.isbn-international.org/en/index.html
00:56 < eryc> dagmar's post and all comments were deleted again
00:56 < eryc> heh
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01:32  * Catonic autolarts
01:36 <@ShadowHntr> ?
01:57 <@ShadowHntr> i'm gonna go to bed
01:57 <@ShadowHntr> later
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01:57 <@polerin> Dagmar: are you awake?
02:12 <@aestetix> vagina
02:29 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: The Publishers' International ISBN Directory CD-ROM on that website is $781.
02:29 <@timoguin> I think I'll pass on that.
03:04 <@timoguin> hahaha
03:04 <@timoguin> Just read a section in the syllabus for my Classic Lit class.
03:05 <@timoguin> "I do not tolerate classroom distractions.  All cell phones must be silent.  You will not engage in text messaging, Blackberrying, I-phoning, or . . ."
03:05 <@timoguin> I-phoning.  hahaha
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03:44 <@timoguin> Also, one of my CIS teachers was talking about Google Streetview and said something along the lines of "Now I don't have a clue who would stand in the middle of that busy intersection and take pictures. . ."
03:44 <@timoguin> I tried hard not to say anything.
03:46 <@scort> car
03:50 <@Catonic_lp> timoguin: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make your professors more intelligent.
03:52 <@timoguin> scort: van actually. =)
03:52 <@scort> i've seen them in a car
03:53 <@timoguin> ah.
03:53 <@timoguin> Thought they just had special vans.  I've never seen any.
03:53 <@scort> ahh
03:53 <@timoguin> Catonic_lp: yea, but... That's horrible.
03:53 <@timoguin> Surely he doesn't think Google employees just going around on foot taking pictures of the whole fucking world.
03:53 <@timoguin> I mean, life traffic pictures in the middle of 4 lane interstates.
03:53 <@timoguin> *live
03:55 <@timoguin> My English professors are all geniuses, and now I'm taking CIS classes taught by what seem to be idiots.
04:09 <@aestetix> Heh.
04:14 < TheLightcosine> god please remove lotus notes from our email system
04:17 <@Catonic_lp> TheLightcosine: haven't used Exchange much, have you?
04:18 < TheLightcosine> we use Exchange....AND Lotus Notes
04:19 < TheLightcosine> and set up replciation between them with MIIS
04:19 < TheLightcosine> and it's a serious nightmare sometimes
04:19  * Catonic_lp wants to hit something
04:19 <@scort> hit me Catonic_lp
04:19 <@Catonic_lp> scort: nah, you'd enjoy it.
04:20 <@scort> flog me plz
04:20 <@scort> oh 420
04:20 <@scort> brb
05:43 <@Catonic_lp> wow, I forgot how to make a table in HTML.
05:45 < TheLightcosine> heh, here's a fun thoguht one of our guys in the UK passed on: what if you legally changed your name to 'drop table users;
05:49 <@Catonic_lp> it would need to be ";union drop table users; "
05:53 < TheLightcosine> hrm, wouldn't  '; drop table users; -- also work ?
06:18 <@Shadow404> boo, first day back at work
06:18 <@Shadow404> and it already sucks
06:18 <@Shadow404> 348 emails
06:18 < TheLightcosine> ouch
06:23 <@timoguin> Shadow404: where'd you go?
06:25 <@Shadow404> seattle, vancouver and vancouver island, specifically tofino and ucelet
06:25 <@Shadow404> big surfing towns
06:25 <@timoguin> Why fors?
06:25 <@timoguin> Vacation?
06:25 <+MxZBot> vacation is more work than real work.
06:25 <@Shadow404> yes, vacation
06:27 <@Shadow404> just doing a lot of follow ups on my tickets
06:27 <@Shadow404> making sure customers were taken care of and happy while i was out
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07:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:26 < TheLightcosine> morning dole
07:26 < TheLightcosine> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/5/20/  <-- this comic is eprfectly suited for one of our guys in sweeden
07:27 < TheLightcosine> He got the wrong kind of expansion card, dremeled the extra pins, and then complained when it didn't work andf wanted us to get him a replacement
07:30 <@I-MOD> we've had similar problems
07:31 <@I-MOD> customer buys the wrong card, determines that it has been built "backwards" and put it into the pci slot with the ports facing inward and the cables trailing out the hole in the back
07:31 <@I-MOD> then they wonder why it doesn't work and why we won't take it back
07:32 <@Shadow404> sounds like the dumbasses that pull the saw off the ground prong so it can fit in a 2 pin outlet
07:33 <@Shadow404> I-MOD: some people just should not be allowed to work with the inside of a computer, period
07:33 <@I-MOD> pffft, a little shock just makes you feel alive
07:35 < TheLightcosine> yes
07:35 < TheLightcosine> but this is an IT staffer.
07:35 <@I-MOD> :D
07:35 <@Shadow404> shocking yourself is one thing, but when you destroy about 250k of expensive rack hardware cause you fried the equipment cause you removed the ground prong and then blame it on us and our electric wiring stating it was a power spike that did it
07:35 < TheLightcosine> hahahaha
07:35 < TheLightcosine> did that actually happen?
07:35 <@Shadow404> but then we send an electrician to inestigae and found you used a 2 prong power strip and took off the ground plugs
07:36 <@Shadow404> yeah, try again, you fail, good bye
07:36 <@Shadow404> TheLightcosine: yes, the week before i went on vacation
07:36 < TheLightcosine> zomg!
07:36 <@Shadow404> man, i was included on the tyrant email while i was on vacation
07:36 <@Shadow404> they investigated while i was gone,
07:37 <@Shadow404> made my day a little better coming in this morning reading the part where sales basically said, you done fucked up now, good bye
07:44 <@polerin> Shadow404: yeah see, that was something that we had to fight a whole bunch
07:44 <@Shadow404> bad wiring on part of a colo customer?
07:44 <@Shadow404> or stupid customer breaking their own hardware?
07:44 <@polerin> Shadow404: no, cable techs stripping ground prongs
07:45 <@Shadow404> wow, thats smarts
07:45 <@polerin> or using one of those converters without making sure the socket was properly grounded
07:45 <@Shadow404> oh man, perfect
07:45 <@polerin> yeah
07:45 <@polerin> :P
07:45 <@polerin> anyway
07:45 <@Shadow404> polerin: do u still work for the cable company
07:46 <@Shadow404> i beleive Evilpig was curious about that when i had dinner with him on friday
07:46 <@Shadow404> er, saturday
07:46 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : So you're the one that put out for EvilPig?  Damn, I knew he was kinky...
07:46 <@Shadow404> yeah, i like those beer guts in a man
07:47 <@Shadow404> come sit by me dolebear!!
07:47 <@Shadow404> nah, he was with this cool chick
07:47 <@Shadow404> forgot her name, but she was cool
07:47 <@Shadow404> might be at pn
07:48 <@polerin> noo...
07:49 <@Shadow404> damn
07:49 <@Shadow404> ok, well no bursting the pn network then
07:49 <@polerin> I haven't worked for comcast since may
07:49 <@Shadow404> what sorta work do u do now?
07:50 <@polerin> web app development
07:51 <@Shadow404> cool
07:53 <@polerin> that's assuming I can finish this code.  gah
07:54 <@polerin> haven't been able to actually focus on writing it all weekend :P
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07:56 < nated0g_wrk> morning people!
07:56 <@I-MOD> i am, they're probably nt
07:56 <@I-MOD> not
07:57 <@polerin> I-MOD: fuck you :)
07:57 <@polerin> and you too nate ;p
07:57 <@I-MOD> :D
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08:21 <@Catonic_lp> note to self: "die in a fire" is not considered 'constructive criticism' in the workplace.
08:21 <@Shadow404> agreed
08:21 <@Shadow404> i had that chit chat
08:25 < nated0g_wrk> your not a morning person are you polerin
08:25 <@Dolemite> What makes you think polerin's a person?
08:25 <@Dolemite> polerin is a robot
08:26 < nated0g_wrk> a robot or a bot?
08:29 <@Dolemite> polerin has physical presence, so a robot
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08:45 <+MaxieZ> polerin is way too opinionated to be a robot
08:45 <+MaxieZ> right MxZBot?
08:45 <+MaxieZ> See?
08:46 <@polerin> I'm actually not bad about the whole morning thing
08:46 <@polerin> unless I am up till 2am
08:49 <@polerin> and why a robot?
08:49 <@polerin> I meen, if so, I've got some damn bizzare bugs.
08:51 <@Dolemite> polerin : Have you ever intentionally caused harm to a human?
08:51 <+MaxieZ> Dolemite: heh
08:55 <@polerin> Dolemite: that depends on your definition of harm
08:55 <@polerin> does kicing someone in the face count?
08:55 <@polerin> kicking even
08:55 <+MaxieZ> I'm no expert, but I'd say yes
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08:56 <@polerin> and actually the rule doesn't mention intent
08:56 <@polerin> then yes :)
08:57 <@Dolemite> Uh oh
08:57 <@Dolemite> BAD ROBOT
08:59 <@brimstone> http://www.bizrael.co.il/ecal/ass3/badRobot.jpg
09:05 <+MaxieZ> Shadow404: ping?
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10:25 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:30 <@remoford> mornin
10:32 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: you around?
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10:34 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-lap: you around?
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10:48 <@Corydon76-lap> SkyDog_: yes
10:48 <@SkyDog_> did you get me all of those numbers?
10:48 <@Corydon76-lap> I think so.  What, if anything, are you missing?
10:49 < dochench> Corydon76-dig: side note, i haven't found my diy hologram/sand table stuff yet.
10:49 <@SkyDog_> dunno. haven't looked yet.
10:49 <@Corydon76-lap> You have numbers from 2006, 2007, and the predictions for both 2007 and 2008
10:51 <@Corydon76-lap> BTW, some of the leftovers in various sizes are due to volunteers having shirts reserved, but not picking them up
10:52 <@Corydon76-lap> (either because they failed to show up for shifts or they simply forgot)
10:52 <@Corydon76-lap> Oh, and the XL white shirt numbers do not include the 10 shirts that I bought to whittle down the stock
10:53 <@Corydon76-lap> I may buy the remainder of the Small and Medium and give them as gifts or something, unless somebody else gets to them first
10:54 <@Corydon76-lap> I think my 7yo nephew should be wearing a Hacker Inside shirt around Minnesota
10:56 <@I-MOD> heh
10:58 <+MaxieZ> He should have been last week...except for the tear gas of course
10:59 <@Corydon76-lap> Given that his father is a lawyer, I'm pretty sure he's well taken-care-of
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11:26 <@polerin> Corydon76-lap: yes, because no lawers were arrested
11:26 <@polerin> no medics either
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12:03 <@Corydon76-lap> polerin: I would hope the police didn't arrest any 7yo's
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12:10 <+MaxieZ> Arrest no, mace.....maybe
12:11 <@Corydon76-lap> Another third rail
12:12 <@Corydon76-lap> You hurt a little kid, and the neighborhood will be lining up with pitchforks, torches, and a noose
12:13 <+MaxieZ> $ host -t a hackaday.com
12:13 <+MaxieZ> hackaday.com has no A record
12:14 <+MaxieZ> In my opinion A records are overrated...I prefer B records
12:20 <@nachoguy> I like the Double D records
12:22 <+MaxieZ> That's a good point.
12:23 <@Shadow404> there is significant lag time in the double d records though
12:24 <+MaxieZ> Yeah...their TTL is much lower
12:25 <@Shadow404> thats a good point, so they dont stay around for long
12:25 <@Shadow404> and get replaced quickly
12:37 <@polerin> Corydon76-lap: mmph.  yeah, I know, but then you'll have a bunch of people all "well why was the kid there! were you trying to get her hurt?!  you're just trying to make a point and you used your kid to do it!"  ...  (even if you were just walking down the street and got caught mid action)
12:38 <@polerin> there's video out there of people with kids being warned off by protestors, saying "no seriously, it's getting bad out her, run the other way.. you don't want your kid near this"
12:44 <@Corydon76-lap> polerin: that's just cynicism speaking
12:48 <@polerin> what, is?
12:48 <@polerin> err
12:48 <@polerin> what is?
12:49 <@Corydon76-lap> Questioning why a kid was on the street when the police attacked civilians
12:50 <@Corydon76-lap> Unless the mayor declares a state of emergency and a curfew, there is no reason a kid cannot be on a public street
12:50 <@polerin> look at any of the youtube comments on the police brutality videos..   9/10 videos you'll find a whole bunch of "Thanks for beating that hippie, we should send him back so you can do it more" comments
12:51 <@Corydon76-lap> You're being trolled
12:51 <@nachoguy> you've got to never give it up, never let it down
12:51 <@Corydon76-lap> I'm frankly surprised you don't see those comments that way
12:53 < nated0g_wrk> over hour on a help call. was a stupid DNS issue
12:53 <@polerin> Corydon76-lap: well duh.
12:53 <@polerin> but even beyond that, look at the cynicism in the MSM about the sarah palin stuff
12:54 <@polerin> "OH it's SEXISM" cries the white guy wearing the "I'm voting for the hot one" button
12:54 <@Corydon76-lap> Actually, I'm about to go look at my team meeting.  Ta.
12:54 <@Shadow404> polerin: mc cain then
12:54 <@Shadow404> hes got a chick, milf even
12:55 <@Corydon76-lap> Shadow404: if she's a MILF, you have issues
12:57 <@Shadow404> the running mate is female gov. right from alaska
12:58 <@polerin> ...
12:58 <@polerin> uh
12:58 <@polerin> who do you think palin is?
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12:58 <@Shadow404> heh, i havent been paying that much attention
12:58 <@Shadow404> all i knew was it was a female gov.
12:59 <@Shadow404> not voting this year for anyone
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13:01 < nated0g_wrk> i thought it was the teacher from varsity blues!
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13:25 <@Shadow404> nated0g_wrk: i thought it was the mom from american pie
13:26 <@timoguin> I'd fuck Palin in the ass.
13:26 <@timoguin> So hard she'd go liberal.
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13:36 <@timoguin> ugh.
13:36 <@timoguin> Staying up all night just hit me.
13:37 <@I-MOD> like a load of bricks?
13:37 <@timoguin> yeaaa
13:37 <@timoguin> My prof just looked up the port for SMTP.
13:39 <@I-MOD> :D
13:40 <@timoguin> "Be careful with open ports because there are port sniffers that can go right through there."
13:41 <@Evilpig> wtf? how did he not know smtp?
13:41 <@Evilpig> ask him if he knows what 80 is for
13:41 <@timoguin> Yea, he knew that one.
13:42 <@Evilpig> tell him you found it open on the microsoft.com site and wondered what was there
13:42 <@timoguin> haha
13:42 < nated0g_wrk> what about 1337?
13:42 <@Shadow404> smtp?
13:42 <@Shadow404> stupid bot
13:42 <@timoguin> I've only been taking his classes for a few days, and it's getting worse.
13:42 <@timoguin> Doesn't make it any better than he assigned $220 worth of books for two classes.
13:43 <@timoguin> And they're both horrible.
13:43 <@Shadow404> MxZBot: smtp?
13:43 <+MxZBot> smtp is small midgets taste phallic
13:43 <@Evilpig> pretty soon you'll be using an etch-a-sketch and calling it a laptop
13:43 <@timoguin> actually
13:43 <@timoguin> the books are $260 in the bookstore
13:43 <@timoguin> I managed to get them used online for about $120.
13:44 <@Evilpig> it's still a turd even if you paid half of resale for it.
13:45 <@timoguin> that database book is 90% management and business speak.
13:45 <@timoguin> Do people in IT really use flow charts?
13:46 <@I-MOD> IT people just RTFL
13:47 <@timoguin> I just learned "ping."  =)
13:48 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:48 <@Shadow404> timoguin: i havent yet
13:48 <@Shadow404> except to make jokes
13:48 <@Shadow404> about my own job
13:50 <@timoguin> wee. heading to classic lit now.
13:50 <@timoguin> all my english teachers know their shit.
13:51 <@Evilpig> really now?  show them your networking book and see what kind of shit it is
13:51 <@polerin> http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2008/08/evil-and-awesom.html
13:51 <@polerin> haha
13:53 <@Shadow404> http://www.shadow404.com/143.sizes@IMG00421.JPG?size1=L
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13:53 <@Shadow404> timoguin: that was for you
14:07  * coil gives Shadow404 the middle finger
14:07 <@coil> that was for you
14:09 <@Shadow404> diaf
14:12 <@Evilpig> feel the love
14:13 <@Shadow404> exactly
14:14 <@coil> http://www.cracked.com/video_16581_greatest-medication-side-effect-ever.html
14:14 <@coil> i saw that and was thinking of you Shadow404
14:15 <@Shadow404> one sec, xo otp, and im telling them to diaf too for being numbnuts
14:18 <@Shadow404> lawl, funny video
14:21 <@Evilpig> shadow make yourself useful and get at&t to run my new pri tomorrow
14:26 <@Shadow404> sigh, im already drowning because the people i entrusted my work to, completely failed on half of it
14:26 <@Shadow404> so now im picking up the pieces
14:26 <@I-MOD> are you their supervisor?
14:27 <@Shadow404> na, co worker, but they were supposed to look after my tickets while i was gone
14:27 < dochench_> herpex is a "fucking nightmare" hahaha
14:27 <@Shadow404> half of them got done, the other ones, thye just dropped
14:27 <@Shadow404> dochench_: i like the part with the large guy and the camera
14:28 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: if they let your tickets get fucked.  then later it looks like you fucked up more than they did.  it's simple corporate politics.  you're the bitch.
14:28 <@Shadow404> heh, na, i already talked to the boss about it and let him know im gonna spend all day fixing it up and getting them back on track
14:28 <@Shadow404> so im still on hold with vz now
14:28 <@Shadow404> sigh
14:29 <@coil> vz
14:29  * Shadow404 goes back to stabbing voodoo doll
14:29 <@Catonic> mmmm ... herpes.
14:29 <@Shadow404> coil: verizon, now go diaf
14:29 < dochench_> looking through this rhce stuff, i'm getting the impression that the test is really just a bunch of "red hat way" whining and not really about results as i initially thought.
14:29 <@coil> my phone gets cut off tomorrow
14:29 <@Evilpig> i'm setting up APs over at the book company and trying to get this wan into shape
14:31 <@Evilpig> I believe I can shoot this bitch and be within my rights.  I just got an email from a technology coordinator that reads "Wilbur,
14:31 <@Evilpig> This web page will not display correctly, either.
14:31 <@Evilpig> http://charleston.k12.mo.us/~wmcneary/ 
14:31 <@Evilpig> would anyone like to craft a response to that?  please refrain from the words, stupid, incompetant or anything of the sort
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14:31 < dochench> :)
14:31 <@Shadow404> You uneducated whore, fix your own shit!
14:31 <@Shadow404> how does that work?
14:31 < eryc> diaf!
14:31 <@coil> no u
14:31 < nated0g_wrk> what about die in a fire
14:32 <@Shadow404> lawl
14:32 < nated0g_wrk> lol
14:32 <@Shadow404> awesome
14:32 < dochench> with a large lart?
14:32 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I've heard that complaint about you.
14:32 <@coil> "it's too small"
14:32 <@coil> lawl
14:32 <@Evilpig> just verified that there isn't anything in that directory except folders
14:32 <@coil> good job Evilpig
14:32 <@coil> you get a gold star
14:33 <@Shadow404> Catonic: oh really, which one?
14:33 <@Catonic> That you were uneducated. As for the other, Corydon won't shut up about you.
14:33 <@Shadow404> heh
14:34 <@Evilpig> there we go.  http://charleston.k12.mo.us/~wmcneary/
14:34 <@Evilpig> gonna reply to here witht hat link and the word "fixed"
14:34 <@Shadow404> nice
14:34 <@Shadow404> awesome
14:34 <@Shadow404> your gonna get some irate teacher feedback on that
14:34 <@Dementia> lol
14:34 <@Evilpig> fuck her
14:34 <@Shadow404> heh
14:34 <@Evilpig> she is supposed to know that you need HTML to have a fucking webpage and not just a damned directory structure
14:35 < nated0g_wrk> tell her to die in a fire too !
14:35 <@Catonic> Not every teacher wants to learn HTML
14:35 <@Evilpig> fucking cunt emailed me earlier because a teacher couldn't check her email.  checked the server and the dumb cunt never made her an account
14:35 <@Evilpig> Catonic: SHE'S THE TECHNOLOGY COORDINATOR!  IT'S HER FUCKING JOB!
14:35 < nated0g_wrk> nope that is a dee dee dee
14:35 <@Catonic> Reminds me, I need to go slumming at the school of education again
14:35 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: for a school, so they are all lazy
14:35 <@Evilpig> besides every teacher in the place has either front page or netobjects fusion
14:36 <@Evilpig> and to have a webpage they just have to put a public_html directory in their user directory.  can't get any easier.  no ftp or anything involved
14:37 <@Evilpig> I really want to start my next email to her with "Dear Melinda, Fuck you.  Signed Wilbur"
14:38 <@Dementia> I think that might go badly.
14:38 <@Catonic> No, there's a better way to handle that...
14:38 <@Evilpig> probably.  but her husband retires from being superintendant this year.  then it's on 
14:38  * Catonic realizes he doesn't need to be thinking this time of day.
14:40 <@Catonic> aestetix: wake up, bitch. I'm lonely.
14:40  * polerin hands dem a fup of tea
14:40 <@polerin> ..
14:40 <@polerin> cup of tea
14:40 <@polerin> wow.  that was a weird typo
14:40  * I-MOD takes a plastic from teh cabinet and gets some, too
14:41 < dochench> i liked it. a fup. sounds wum and invting
14:41  * Catonic walks into a pile of teh stupid, picks it up, and smears it all around
14:41 <@Evilpig> gotta go get my boss to sign this contract for the pri.  bbiab
14:41 <@Catonic> Anyone seen ware? I think he dropped something...
14:41 <@I-MOD> the soap?
14:42 < dochench> no more for me thx.. i'm already over my lifetime allowance of teh stupid.
14:42 <@Shadow404> yeah, wtf
14:42 <@Shadow404> he got arreseted again
14:43 <@Shadow404> apparently verbally abusing a cop and then resisting arrest.
14:43 <@Shadow404> he threw a chair at the cop and bruised his arm
14:43 <@coil> lol
14:43 <@I-MOD> hey, at least he didn't get caught for drugs :D
14:43 <@coil> whered the chair come from
14:43 <@Catonic> dude, I got a speeding ticket.
14:43 <@coil> Catonic: going 103 in a 65?
14:44 <@Catonic> no registration, expired tag, invalid insurance cards.
14:44 <@Shadow404> I-MOD: dude, they searched him in lockup, duh, they found his stash
14:44 <@Catonic> 78 in a 65... just wrote me for speeding.
14:44 < eryc> ya arent you supposed to be in jail on drugs
14:44 <@I-MOD> eryc, that's what i thought to
14:44 <@Catonic> eryc: eventually, he made bail.
14:44 <@I-MOD> too
14:45 <@coil> Catonic: you know where ardmore is
14:45 < eryc> did they run out of government issue lubricant?
14:45 <@Catonic> coil: I know where the Owens Cross Roads city limits are now.
14:46 <@coil> sounds familiar whres that
14:46 <@Catonic> I was sweating bullets thinking I'd just pulled like 80 in a 55...
14:46 <@coil> ahh
14:46 <@Catonic> Every factor that could be used to get out of the ticket only worked to lower the extent of the ticket.
14:46 < eryc> the world is scheduled to end on wednesday
14:46 <@coil> oic howd yo do that
14:46 <@coil> did you flash the cop
14:47 <@Catonic> cosine error? Causes an apparent lower speed... passing an SUV between me and the cop... RADAR takes the larger return.
14:47 <@coil> state trooper?
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14:48 <@Catonic> coil: OCRPD
14:49 <@coil> wheres ocr at
14:49 <@Catonic> owens cross roads
14:49 <@Catonic> out 431
14:49 <@coil> north or south of hsv
14:50 <@Catonic> SE
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15:10 <@Catonic> omgwtfbbq!~?
15:10 <@nachoguy> ?
15:11 <@Catonic> I went from backing up at 20MB to 3MB/s to 45MB/s
15:11 <@nachoguy> what, are you running windows or something?
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15:14 <@Jagobah> I just watched the internet party videos, good stuff
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15:33 < dochench_> bah, idiot let her domain name expire and then couldn't understand why she can't get emails at that domain.
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15:34 < dochench> i was like.. ummm.. you need to own it to use it.
15:35 <@rhia> dochench: but, but ... nobody OWNS the internet, silly!
15:35 < dochench> heh, if only
15:41 <@Catonic> but why don't we interconnect with our neighbors?
15:41 < dochench> because it depresses us?
15:42 <@Catonic> three gigabit ports, and two lightning arrestors
15:42 <@Catonic> if you take a grid of 25 houses, does OSPF cut a path through the middle?
15:43  * Catonic suddenly wants to play with vmware routing engines
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15:51 < dochench> wha?
15:51 < dochench> i guess it didn't like me popping in and out of different networks.
16:00 <@critch> I love the headline for this article. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL148259220080901
16:01 <@Dagmar> So... who knows where the IndyMedia guidelines for use are on their site?
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16:01 <@timoguin> anyone know someone who works at charter?
16:02 <@timoguin> i'm having trouble finding someone who knows what a static ip is.
16:02 < dochench> heh, good luck
16:02 <@brimstone> ug, opensuse
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16:03 <@timoguin> I was transferred about 8 times in less than 2 minutes.
16:03 <@timoguin> and then on hold for about 10
16:04 < dochench> you really shouldn't get an ip change unless you reboot your modem(and leave it off for a while) or change the nic.
16:05 <@timoguin> yea i know.
16:05 <@timoguin> but i have someone who wants me to host for them and is willing to pay the difference
16:05 <@timoguin> depending on what it is.
16:05 <@timoguin> and i'm just trying to find out.
16:05 < dochench> ah
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16:05 <@timoguin> i'm hosting several of my own websites on it.
16:05 <@timoguin> but he has concerns.
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16:06 < dochench> you run your own dns?
16:06 <@timoguin> not at the moment
16:06 <@timoguin> but i told him i could
16:06 <@timoguin> and that it probably wouldn't be much of an issue
16:07 <@timoguin> but how fast could a change propagate?
16:07 < dochench> fast. if you want it to.
16:07 < dochench> nearly immediate.
16:08 <@Corydon76-lap> dochench: well, if everybody followed the RFCs
16:08 <@timoguin> well this is an e-commerce site.
16:08 <@timoguin> so it's more important than my personal site.
16:08 <@Corydon76-lap> dochench: some ISPs disallow low TTLs
16:08 < dochench> get the static. :D
16:08 <@timoguin> okay
16:08 <@timoguin> finally transferred to charter business
16:08 <@timoguin> i hate automated phone services
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16:12 < dochench> wow. vandy is the second largest employer in nashville.
16:13 < eryc> nashville is pretty tiny
16:14 <@Corydon76-lap> dochench: also the largest private police force in TN
16:15 <@timoguin> haha.
16:16 <@timoguin> same speed i have right now in residential is $289.99 for business
16:16 <@Corydon76-lap> ouch
16:16 <@Corydon76-lap> might want to look into a VPS for that price
16:16 <@timoguin> She said it's faster because all the ports are open.
16:16 < dochench> heh
16:16 < eryc> haha
16:16 <@timoguin> She compared residential to using only 2 lanes of an 8 lane road.
16:17 <@timoguin> That's for 16/2.
16:17 <@Corydon76-lap> The problem isn't the cable modem.  It's the uplink
16:17 < dochench> i'm sure they'll throttle you down if you try to use it to the full potential.
16:17 <@critch> Wouldn't be too much further up the price range and you get into a full rack of colo with network and all
16:18 <@timoguin> Actually I didn't even ask what the upload was on the business line.
16:18 <@timoguin> I assumed it was the same.
16:18 <@timoguin> I get consistent 2Mb uploads.
16:18 <@timoguin> the 10Mb/1Mb for business is $120.
16:19 < eryc> vps would be more reliable in theory
16:19 < eryc> like say amazon ec2
16:20 <@timoguin> of course.
16:20 <@timoguin> I was hoping the price increase wouldn't be as much as it was.
16:21 <@nachoguy> wow, mortgage guy just called me.  Apparently rates are down to 5.75 30 yr fixed
16:22 < dochench> just looked at my statement from corner pub on the 2600 meeting.. fucking billed me incorrectly...
16:22 < dochench> going to be fun to fix.. regions is way worse than dealing with comcast.
16:22 <@nachoguy> they throw a couple extra zeros on it?
16:22 < dochench> yeah, like 30 bucks extra.
16:23 < dochench> some how 8 bucks turned into 40.
16:24 <@critch> nachoguy: is that a broker? if so did he mention the points on that?
16:24 <@Dagmar> dochench: Ouch.  That's not cool.  Do you still have the recipt?
16:24 < dochench> dag: i'm pretty sure
16:24 <@Dagmar> Good.
16:24 <@Dagmar> Cuz I'm thinking you must have left someone a 27 dollar tip
16:25 <@Dagmar> ...but your reciept won't say that and someone's liable to get their ass fired.
16:25 < dochench> nope. got the receipt right here.
16:25 <@Dagmar> Exactly
16:25 <@nachoguy> critch, I don't have all the details, but it's one of those "friends of the family" So the screwage factor is relatively low
16:26 <@critch> nachoguy: I was just looking at my banks advertised rates, and they aren't that low. 5.875% for a 10yr balloon, 30yr fixed is still 6.5%
16:26 < dochench> i left a 2.7 tip, not a 27.0
16:27 <@critch> nachoguy: I'm just a few more years short of converting mine to a 15yr fixed.
16:28 < dochench> take the 30 fixed and pay it like a 15.. that way you have a cushion in event of disaster.
16:28 <@nachoguy> Critch, dunno.  he got me a pretty sweet deal when I bought the house.  You're right though, it seems excessive that he'd be able to drop that far without some sort of crazy points scheme.
16:28 <@nachoguy> dochench, that's my plan, if I ever sell my old place
16:29 <@critch> well, know that my bank isn't known for the lowest rates. It is a credit union and therefore is a bit more conservative.
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16:35 <@critch> did someone run ware off?
16:35 <@Dagmar> Nope
16:35 <@critch> seemed odd for such a drive by message.
16:36 <@Dagmar> Not really.  it's ware
16:36 <@Dagmar> I've grown to expect randomness.
16:37 <@Dagmar> On another note, I'm now looking to specifically address the higherups over at IndyMedia.
16:37 < dochench> dag: they said it was an auth. 40 bucks is a HIGH auth, and auth's usually don't show as a pending charge.. i basically have to wait a day or two to see if it comes off automatically.
16:37 <@critch> dochench: did you run a tab?
16:37 <@Dagmar> twincities.indymedia.org should probably be delinked from the indymedia.org zone, since it's just the propaganda arm of www.nornc.org
16:38 < dochench> yeah, but it wasn't like anything was added, because i have the ttl charge receipt in front of me.
16:38 <@Dagmar> What do you mean it was an "auth"?
16:38 < dochench> there is an auth, then there is a transaction. an auth checks to make sure that the funds are avail.
16:38 <@Dagmar> Are you talking about when they just put a token charge through?
16:38 < dochench> yes
16:39 <@Dagmar> Ah
16:39 <@critch> dochench: right, but what they probably did was run an "auth" on the card for the expected high charge of $40. They then should have done the "capture" run on the card to actually take the money.
16:39 <@Dagmar> I'll have to remember that about that place
16:39 <@Dagmar> Is your card a debut card?
16:39 <@Dagmar> er debit
16:39 < dochench> yeah, it looks like they didn't remove the auth.
16:39 < dochench> yes. debit.
16:39 <@Dagmar> I'd go down there and say "I want my money back"
16:39 <@critch> The auth should expire on it's own
16:39 <@Dagmar> There's no excuse for running an auth check on a debit card.
16:39 < dochench> i'm going to give it a day or so to process through the systems.
16:40 <@Dagmar> Is it cleared through VISA?
16:40 < dochench> yeah
16:40 <@Dagmar> Was there any sign on anything there saying there would be a charge like this?"
16:40 <@critch> Yes there is. They have to verify you can pay. There is a difference between what is owed and what will be payed.
16:40 < dochench> newp
16:40 <@Dagmar> dochench: Then I'd give Visa a call as well
16:40 <@Dagmar> critch: Debit cards don't transact against a loan.
16:41 <@Dagmar> There's no excuse for making an auth check that withdraws money from a real account
16:41 < dochench> it won't work..event tho a debit card with a visa logo SHOULD enjoy the protections of a visa cad, in reality it doesn't... it has to be fraud to get those protections.
16:41 <@critch> Dagmar: an auth transaction only places a hold on the money, it doesn't actually remove the money.
16:41 < dochench> if the auth isn't removed, it removes the money, it turns into a real transaction.
16:41 <@Dagmar> If it's showing "-$40" on his statement, that's not a "hold".  That's money taken out
16:42 <@Dagmar> I've had this go wrong before.
16:42 <@critch> dochench: no, the auth doesn't remove money, only a capture removes money
16:43 <@Dagmar> Actually I've had it go wrong several times
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16:43 <@Dagmar> It's just only made something bounce once
16:43 <@critch> also, it is one of those need to know your banks accounting, you may be seeing available balance rather than real balance. Available is effected by holds, but actual balance isn't
16:43 < dochench> when i bought some defective crap from compusa and they wouldn't fix it, i tried to get a chargeback because the debit card carried a visa logo. can't get them to do it. even though they SHOULD, they won't unless it is fraudulent. i really don't buy high ticket items on anything but amex now, because they've always worked with me fairly easy.
16:44 <@Dagmar> dochench: i'd have shipped it back to the manufacturer if CompUSA wouldn't take it back and it was defective
16:44 < dochench> dag, that's eventualy what happened.
16:44 <@critch> dochench: was that more because you ran the card as a debit card or did you use it as a cedit. The transaction type determines who pays what to who, and as I understand my card, if I run it as credit, it is the same as a visa card.
16:45 <@oddball> huh, I remember CompUSA being pretty easy whenever I had to take something back.
16:45 < dochench> it was a debit card ran as credit. which means visa processed it as a credit and should have all the protections of credit. but it doesn't.
16:45 < CRasH180> sounds fraudulent
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16:46 < dochench> the reason is, that you have to deal with the card issuer, not visa. and the issuer is looking out for the merchants, not you.
16:46 < CRasH180> Oh, Got yeah
16:46 <@timoguin> I bought gas the other day with Heather's debit card.  Ran it as credit and signed her name.
16:47 <@timoguin> Don't know how that happened.
16:47 < CRasH180> Do they even look at who signs the receipt?
16:47 < CRasH180> I mean unless there is a dispute
16:47 <@timoguin> Apparently not.
16:47 < dochench> so the gas pump, did a 1 dollar or so auth, then chrage the correct amt, and removed the 1 dollar auth.
16:47 <@oddball> CRasH180: merchants actually paying attention to signatures? ha! you funny!
16:48 < CRasH180> lol
16:48 <@critch> dochench: gas pump auths are usually closer to $75
16:48 < dochench> heh, probably. they were 1 buck when i worked for visa.
16:48 <@critch> but with an immediate capture, it doesn't usually make much difference
16:49 <@critch> places like bars don't type in all the final amounts till later in the night or next day.
16:49 <@oddball> CRasH180: check out this site: http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/
16:49 <@critch> well, that is probably a way over generalization.
16:50 < dochench> the gas pump auth wasn't really about making sure there is an X amt available as it was just to make sure a transaction would process.
16:51 <@critch> dochench: that must have been back in the day before people really started stealing gas so much. Now they want to make sure you can pay as well as if the transaction will process.
16:53 < dochench> it'll pay.. the issuer is the guy that deals with collecting the dollars... if you have 10 bucks in your account and your run 100 in gas as a CREDIT transaction, it'll go through. if you don't ever put more money in the account, eventually B of A, Regions, Wells Fargo, or whoever is going to come banging on your door for the $.
16:53 < CRasH180> oddball: reading now
16:54 <@oddball> Part 2 (linked at the end) is even better
16:55 <@oddball> remember: in theory, their supposed to check your signature and/or ask for photo ID.  How many times have you seen that happen?
16:58 < CRasH180> lol @ I Stole This Card
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16:59 <@oddball> I'm a big fan of when he started just doodling pictures.
16:59 <@oddball> oops, time for me to flee the office.
16:59 < CRasH180> I like the 2nd article w/ Shamu
16:59  * dochench brews some 5pm coffee
17:00 < dochench> the negative tip is a good one. :)
17:02 < CRasH180> that was good
17:15 < Synx_hm_> so f'ing hot
17:15 < Synx_hm_> HVAC guy on the way yay!!!
17:16 <@Corydon76-lap> Heh, I've had a merchant tell me on the phone that they had a 'strict no-refunds policy'.  I said, "My next call is to the credit card company."  They refunded on the spot.
17:16 < CRasH180> lol
17:16 < CRasH180> that was too funny
17:16 < CRasH180> Took 3 TV screens
17:17 <@Corydon76-lap> The issue is that if they get more than a certain amount of chargebacks every month, Visa hits them with a massive fine.
17:18 <@Corydon76-lap> or not amount, but percentage of total transactions
17:18 < CRasH180> Then I would imagine that Circuit City must have a lot of problems with fraud
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17:40 < eryc> W
17:40 < eryc> T
17:40 < eryc> F
17:44 < dochench> heh, tradelect was down for 7 hours.. their 5 9's shot all to hell.
17:44 < dochench> http://www.onwindows.com/Articles/LSE-TradElect-system-goes-live/843/Default.aspx
17:45 < dochench> http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSL01084620080908
17:47 < dochench> holy shit, fannie mae closed at .69
17:47 < dochench> http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=FNM.N
17:49 <@aestetix> vagi
17:49 <@aestetix> na
17:49 < dochench> with their new found ability to borrow direct from the fed window, i think .69 might be a steal. go'vt in charge of the helm they can't do anything but get bigger and bloated.
17:50 <@aestetix> wow
17:50 <@aestetix> I log into myspace maybe once every four months or so
17:51 <@aestetix> it changes every time
17:51 <@Corydon76-lap> dochench: I think it's a clear sign that the govt does not have much confidence in the liquidity of the company or value of its stock
17:51 <@Corydon76-lap> Remember that the nominal worth of a single share is 0.
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17:52 < dochench> upside is unlimited, downside can only go .69 lower.
17:53 < dochench> 100 shares wouldn't be a bad wager in my view. :D
17:53 < dochench> well, acutally they will get delisted if it doesn't come back up
17:53 < dochench> actually
17:54 < dochench> so it might not be a good bet. :D
17:55 < dochench> the gov't didn't actually seize them correct? it just but ppl at the helm, no?
17:55 < dochench> s/but/put/
17:56 < dochench> The US government has finally stepped in to stop the bleeding. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two giant government sponsored enterprises have been taken into conservatorship and are now government property.
17:56 < dochench> ah.
17:56 < dochench> that .69 WILL go to 0.
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18:03 <@sdodson> Man, Wallstreet is a crazy place.
18:03 <@aestetix> yes, yes it is
18:03 <@sdodson> You just get a few hundred million and manufacture money.
18:04 <@sdodson> I hate that everything hinges on trades happening within milliseconds of when they're supposed to, it just seems to be a race to buy computing power.
18:05 < eryc> http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSL01084620080908
18:06 < eryc> ^ or trades not happening at all!
18:07 <@sdodson> right, that's the link that triggered my thoughts.
18:08 <@sdodson> Doesn't mention that LSE is a MSFT shop
18:08 < dochench> yeah, it says .net... hmmm coincidence that monday rolls around with all the weekend cash still in the stock from overseas, and their exchange goes down?
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18:20 <@sdodson> DUN DUN DUN!
18:31 <@buu> nachoguy: You there?
18:40 <@aestetix> fun fact
18:40 <@aestetix> the library in the first ghost scene in the ghostbusters
18:40 <@aestetix> I had a job interview there.
18:40 <@aestetix> I just realized it watching the movie last night
18:40 <@Dagmar> lol awaesome
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18:53 <@Dagmar> OHHH
18:53 <@Dagmar> Amex reshot the "If you use some other card, TSA employees will shove a fist up your ass" commercial
18:53 <@Dagmar> No more rubber glove
18:55 < dochench> got a link for the new one?
18:55 <@Dagmar> Nope.  Just saw it on CNN.
18:57 <@Dagmar> PLaying freakin' wackamole here today
18:59 <@NotLarry> ok, can anyone get to http://www.theangrylemming.org ?
18:59 < dochench> yes
18:59 < eryc> yea
18:59 <@Dagmar> Yep
18:59 < eryc> tho i didnt try
18:59 <@NotLarry> well shit.
19:00 <@NotLarry> thanks
19:00 <@NotLarry> oh, I'll bet its' the fucking browser
19:01 <@NotLarry> I mean ie
19:01 < eryc> ipconfig /flushdns ftw
19:01 <@NotLarry> already done thtat, thanks for calling me a n00b thogh:)
19:03 <@NotLarry> I didn't put ftw at the end, maybe that will fix it
19:04 <@Dagmar> heheh
19:04 <@Dagmar> trumped
19:14 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
19:14 <@Evilpig> notlarry did you reup your domain?
19:35 <@Dagmar> Gotta have a smoke
19:36 <@Dagmar> Haven't had one today and cold medicine somehow just doesn't do it for me
19:40 <@Dagmar> Damnit.  I seem to have misplaced my cigarettes
19:40 <@Dagmar> Oh wait no I found 'em
19:40 <@Dagmar> Hehe things were about to turn ugly for Indymedia
19:41 <@Dagmar> Im' just going to keep reposting the response I wrote to them every time they delete it
19:41 <@sdodson> What's going to happen?!
19:41 <@Dagmar> I'll scribble up something to do it automatically later tonight
19:44 <@Dagmar> I'd like for this to resolve without doing something hackerly, but if they want to play on the Internet, they'd better learn to play nice.
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19:48 <@sdodson> denial of service is nice?
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19:52 < nated0g> Evilpig, did you hear anything back from the teacher after you fixed her website?
19:58 <@Evilpig> of course not
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20:10 <@polerin> .. you know
20:10 <@polerin> prison break almost got some technobabbel right
20:10 <@polerin> babble even
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20:33 <@tcstool> Man where has ware been? Did you guys finally have the good sense to shun him?
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20:34 <@Evilpig> ware has a few bans in place still
20:35 <@Evilpig> and I don't remember what for other than it was really annoying at the time
20:37 <@tcstool> why am I not suprised
20:38 <@tcstool> and I can't spell tonight apparently
20:38 <@Dagmar> You know, if we just skin him, it should solve a lot of problems
20:38 <@tcstool> ah he just needs some common sense beat into him
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20:49 < dochench> unison is soooooo sloooowww.
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20:50 <@tcstool> what's that?
20:50 < dochench> usenet client
20:50 <@tcstool> ah
20:50 <@tcstool> other than being slow is it any good?
20:50 < dochench> yeah
20:50 < dochench> but the slow almost outweighs the plus
20:51 < DigitalIrony> is the whole point of usenet not speed?
20:51 < dochench> http://www.panic.com/unison/
20:51 < dochench> download isn't slow.. hte updating and indexing is slow.
20:51 < DigitalIrony> heh :P
20:51 < DigitalIrony> is it jave?
20:51 < DigitalIrony> *java?
20:51 < dochench> nah
20:51 <@tcstool> that probably makes it hard to search for something you want to download
20:52 <@tcstool> So sort of defeats the purpose eh?
20:52 < dochench> just something isn't right with it
20:52 < dochench> tcstool, yes, it is a pita
20:52 < DigitalIrony> Iunno I like to use the usenet with the websearches
20:54 <@Dagmar> They should be slapped in the face for this: "It's all on Usenet*, the global sharing network, and all possible with Unison. "
20:54 <@Dagmar> USENET is not a fucking "sharing network"
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20:56 <@Dagmar> But hey, I guess it's cool to just make people think services are meant for whatever the hell you can do to them if you can make a buck on it
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20:57 <@tcstool> Amen
20:57 <@tcstool> it was a sad sad day for me when rec.games.video.marketplace turned into a shithole
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21:04 < eryc> usenet is obviously for porn and warez
21:05 < dochench> oh no. there is a wargames 2. i'll bet that's one horrible movie.
21:05 < eryc> or a rick roll
21:06 < eryc> someone should rickroll usenet
21:08 < eryc> anyway
21:08 < eryc> time to play with my wii
21:08 < AstralSin> you'll go blind
21:09 <@Dagmar> Damn
21:09 <@Dagmar> This "ultra-black" reflective pinstriping is just not what they made it out to be
21:09 <@Dagmar> I guess it's about as good as one can expect
21:09 <@brimstone> ultra-black, reflective?
21:09 < juice> hmm
21:10 < dochench> what is the lacking part? the ultra-black, or the reflective?
21:10 <@Dagmar> The reflective.
21:10 <@Dagmar> It's pretty meh.
21:10 <@Dagmar> It's black at least.
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21:13 < juice> hey sysmin
21:13 <@sysmin> hey juice
21:13 <@sysmin> How goes it?
21:14 <@polerin> hi sysmin
21:14 <@sysmin> hey polerin
21:15 <@polerin> dag
21:15 <@sdodson> usenet is a sharing network
21:15 <@polerin> lists.indymedia.org
21:15 <@polerin> try there
21:15 <@sdodson> Update your expectations
21:15 < juice> pretty good
21:15 <@sysmin> I have expectations of boobs
21:15 <@sysmin> I would like to update to cooter, if I can
21:15 <@sysmin> hahaha
21:15 < juice> trying to stay awake for a little while longer
21:15 < juice> slept about 3hrs last night
21:16 < dochench> hah
21:16 <@Dagmar> polerin: I already popped off a request for an explanation to the TMC people
21:16 <@sysmin> Damn juice, you have to sleep sometime ;)
21:16 < juice> i have to til 6am
21:16 < dochench> [***************-----] cooter update 75% complete
21:16 < eryc> well your post is back up, minus the follow up
21:16 < juice> before I have to be up
21:16 <@sysmin> Haha
21:16 <@sysmin> Nice
21:17 < juice> used to 2nd shift
21:17 < juice> so back on first makes me get less sleep
21:17 <@Dagmar> eryc: That's because I've reposted it myself.
21:17 <@Dagmar> Twice tonight.
21:17 <@polerin> ah ok
21:17 <@Dagmar> I'm going to KEEP doing it until they offer an explanation.
21:18 <@Dagmar> dochench: NOt cool, man
21:18 <@polerin> dochench: you're getting an upgrade?
21:18 <@polerin> hehe
21:19 <@Dagmar> dochench: Wait, does that mean you're 75% pussy now?
21:19 < dochench> i musta missed something
21:20 <@polerin> dochench: you're getting an upgrade right?
21:20 <@polerin> "cooter update 75% complete"
21:20 <@polerin> I meen I could take that any number of ways...
21:21 <@sdodson> What's not cool?
21:22 < dochench> usenet is a sharing network. Update your expectations. I have expectations of boobs.  I would like to update to cooter, if I can. [***************-----] cooter update 75% complete
21:22 <@Dagmar> Pfft.  Get an easynews account like everyone else
21:22 <@Dagmar> They're still valid for that right?
21:22 <@Dagmar> I might have the name wrong
21:23 <@Dagmar> I rmemeber seeing that they'd made a web interface where you could just freaking' click to download binaries
21:23 <@Dagmar> Talk about flagrantly profiting from copyright violation
21:23 <@polerin> dochench: because cooter is all about the sharing right.
21:23 <@polerin> cute :P
21:24 <@Dagmar> Basically, if you can't find >4Gb of new porn a night, you're not trying hard
21:24 <@polerin> that's even worse than I thought it was
21:24 <@Dagmar> My estimate (that took freaking hours to come to.  Stupid math) from back in 2006 was that about 24 Gb goes up a night in various places
21:24 <@Dagmar> I was assuming there was twice as much as what I was locating
21:25 <@Dagmar> Basically, JUST googling around for web forums where people were posting porno
21:26 <@Dagmar> If yer looking for music, it appears to be about a third of the traffic based on USENET activity
21:26 <@Dagmar> People need to fap less.
21:26 <@Dagmar> WAY less.
21:28 <@Dagmar> Considering the way traffic grows, I really don't want to know how much pirated stuff hits the net per day anymore
21:29 <@polerin> Dagmar: careful, you're going to start soundign like a radfem soon
21:29 < dochench> soon?
21:29 <@polerin> trust me, he doesn't sound like a radical feminist.
21:29 <@polerin> yet.
21:29 <@Dagmar> polerin: Except I'm not in denial about women looking at porn
21:29 <@polerin> Dag, oh that's just women helping in their own objectification</snar,>
21:29 <@polerin> k
21:30 <@polerin> </snark>  jeesus I can't type tonight
21:30 <@Dagmar> Oh you think they look at lesbian porn do you?
21:30 <@polerin> it doesn't matter what kind of porn it is
21:30 <@polerin> it's obviously got to be bad for women
21:30 <@polerin> bcause it's bad
21:30 <@Dagmar> Ah
21:30  * polerin nods sagely
21:31 <@polerin> (They are full of shit.  There is plenty of porn that I do think is pretty degrading and really, really, REALLY stupid.  I'm not saying porn in and of itself is bad though.)
21:31 <@Dagmar> Yep.  Seen it.
21:31 <@Dagmar> There's also porn that is just mind-boggling.
21:31  * Dagmar makes a thumbs-up sign
21:31 <@polerin> lol
21:31 <@polerin> I'ts not exactly GOOD, but Pirates is a hell of alot of fun
21:32 <@Dagmar> Pirates the MMO?
21:32 < dochench> the terrible saga of SCAT.AVI :)
21:32 <@polerin> the cheesy gusto with which he attacks those lines is great
21:32 <@polerin> no no no
21:32 <@polerin> pirates a porn movie
21:32 < dochench> ah, SWAP.AVI that is
21:32 <@polerin> it even has cgi skeletons he fights
21:32 <@Dagmar> dochench: I was thinking more along the lines of that chick from ATL who does ideepthroat.com
21:32 < dochench> http://www.somethingawful.com/d/horrors-of-porn/horrible-saga-swapavi.php
21:32 <@Dagmar> polerin: I'll keep my eyes peeled for it then
21:33 < dochench> };D
21:33 <@Dagmar> If there was an olympics for the wiener swallow, she'd win it
21:33 <@Dagmar> It'a slmost scary
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21:35 <@polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtQ2ENOk1U
21:35 <@polerin> some dialog from it
21:35 <@Dagmar> I'm not pulling that up at work
21:35 <@polerin> NSFW
21:35 <@polerin> seriously
21:35 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:35 <@polerin> lol
21:35 <@polerin> just making sure
21:35 <@polerin> "Sniff sniff...  Your right, I do think something is burning."
21:36 <@polerin> "sniff sniff... and it's not your pussy."  (yes I know horrible lines... but the guy isn't supposed to be all that bright)
21:36 <@polerin> like most porn it's objectifying and stupid
21:36 <@polerin> but it's also ..just too damn funny
21:37 < dochench> production value is WAY too high.. it looks like it might actually be watchable.
21:37 <@polerin> it is
21:37 <@polerin> that's the frightening thing
21:38 <@polerin> as long as you don't expect anything over a c movie
21:38 <@polerin> some of the lines are pure cheese though
21:38  * dochench grew up on American EXXXtasy on C-band in the 80's.
21:39 <@sdodson> man you're old!
21:39 < dochench> porn has to sound and look like crap. :) anything else is a "movie"
21:42 <@polerin> actually they made an R rated cut
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21:42 < dochench> hehe, i've gotta watch it now. :)
21:43 <@Dagmar> I'll stick with just plain gonzo
21:43 <@polerin> ?
21:43 <@Dagmar> "gonzo" being the term for porn that's just porno and doesn't try to be Grand Drama or stuff like that
21:43 <@polerin> oh
21:43 <@polerin> heh
21:43 <@polerin> it doesn't
21:43 <@Dagmar> Guy walks in, chick sez "Hey lets fuck" and they go at it
21:43 <@polerin> bah
21:43 <@Dagmar> No bullshit, no disappointment.
21:43 <@polerin> I prefer a little storyline
21:44 <@Dagmar> Sometimes the guy is delivering a pizza.
21:44 <@polerin> actually I prefer a lot of storyline, but pirates doesn't have THAT much to it
21:45 <@polerin> it's almost like a porn version of Evil dead in it's cheesyness
21:46 <@Dagmar> Cept thers is a porn version of that
21:46 < dochench> called "evil head?"
21:46 <@Dagmar> Probably that too
21:46 < dochench> heh
21:46 <@Dagmar> There's World of Warcraft porn
21:47 <@Evilpig> world of whorecraft
21:47 < juice> night all
21:48 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is you can tell the scriptwriters have actually played the game
21:48 <@Dagmar> Blizz made them change the name
21:58 <@polerin> meh
21:59 <@polerin> is there a decent free windows firewall?  I'm not worried about whitelisting applications/etc, just better traffic control
21:59 <@polerin> and not sucking down the processor
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21:59 < dochench> why you using now?
21:59 < dochench> s/why/what
22:01 < AstralSin> polerin: i don't know about comcast but charter offers free licenses of FSecure to its subscribers and its very good
22:01 <@polerin> AstralSin: Norton.
22:01 < AstralSin> yuck
22:01 <@polerin> I'm not on this machine, though with lissa taking her laptop out to untrusted areas, I may have to take one
22:01 <@polerin> it's for her, some nasty scanned her machine and infected her on a hotel network
22:01 < dochench> zonealarm? comodo?
22:01 <@Dagmar> You *should* be able to set XP's built-in firewall back to the paranoid mode it initially used which was useful
22:02 < AstralSin> zonealarm is ok, but it can also be rather troublesome, i've seen it do some funky shit
22:05 <@polerin> I hate ZA
22:06 <@polerin> it's a tech support fucking nightmare
22:06 <@polerin> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4699077.ece
22:06 <@polerin> nice.
22:07 <@polerin> Last night the Pentagon announced that it was reopening the investigation in the light of .emerging evidence. and was sending an officer to Nawabad to review its previous inquiry. Villagers and the UN insist that 92 were killed, including as many as 60 children.
22:08 <@polerin> I remeber F-Prot from back in the day
22:09  * Lissa grumbles
22:15 <@Dagmar> This is PRICELESS
22:15 <@Dagmar> http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot090808194802da8.jpg
22:15 <@Dagmar> GM Juzaach is my kinda guy
22:15 <@Lissa> heh...i didn't know people still played wow
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22:18 <@Dagmar> What astonishes me is that tehre's GMs who are able to exercise some creativity
22:18 <@Lissa> yeh
22:18 <@Dagmar> Half the ones I've seen in other games acted like some renfair burnout
22:18 <@Lissa> or some 20 year old on a power trip
22:18 <@Dagmar> You can almost hear the extreme boredom in their typing
22:18 <@Dagmar> For a GM to rickroll someone is just awesome
22:18 <@Lissa> NPR rickrolled their listeners not too long ago
22:19 < eryc> pirates won best flick at the porn oscars
22:19 <@Lissa> again?
22:19 <@polerin> no
22:19 <@Lissa> oh..at the oscars
22:19 <@Lissa> heh
22:19 < eryc> the adult film awards or whatever
22:19 <@Dagmar> lol looks like I'm not the only person in the WoW forums that thinks that GM needs a raise
22:19 <@Lissa> i thought they had already won that
22:20 <@polerin> Lissa: eryc is just now discovering pirates :P
22:20 < eryc> ya this isn't recent news
22:20 <@Lissa> oh. i see
22:20 <@polerin> http://techreport.com/articles.x/15433
22:20 < eryc> i was just contributing
22:20 <@Lissa> hehe
22:20 <@Lissa> it was one of the best ones i've seen thus far
22:20 <@Lissa> it deserved every reward it got
22:20 <@Lissa> they have even released a rated R version
22:20 <@polerin> well
22:21 <@polerin> It fails miserably on the "Lets not fall into porn sterotypes of degrading women and flaunting racist overtones"
22:21 <@polerin> but other than that...
22:21 <@polerin> lol
22:23  * Lissa sighs
22:24 <@Lissa> i just got chewed out for my something i had on my laptop that my nephew saw and repeated during a football game
22:24 < eryc> was it pirates?
22:24 <@Lissa> no
22:24 <@Lissa> it said, "Yippie kay-yo mother fucker"
22:24 <@Lissa> so he just outright said it tonight
22:24 <@Lissa> and everyone turned around and looked at him
22:25 < eryc> i'd high five the kid
22:25 < eryc> im sure everyone has seen that movie by now
22:26 <@polerin> lol
22:26 <@Lissa> i just hate that parents try to restrict their kids language to the point they do these days
22:26 <@Lissa> there's an appropriate time and place...
22:27 <@Lissa> and he chose it the appropriate time..just not the place
22:27 <@Lissa> and i hate having to censor myself
22:27 < eryc> i would however slap him around a bit for being a narc
22:28 < eryc> you're never to reveal your sources
22:29 <@Lissa> heh..
22:30 <@Dagmar> He learned it from your laptop or from the movie?
22:30 <@Lissa> my laptop
22:31 <@Lissa> it was on my screen saver for awhile...he read it and saved it in his little sponge of a memory until he thought the time was right to use it...not knowing what it meant...he got really excited at his football scrim today and busted out with it as loud as he could
22:33 <@Dagmar> lol
22:33 <@Dagmar> So he dind't just say it, he *shouted* it.
22:33 <@Lissa> yeh.
22:33 <@Dagmar> Excellent.
22:33  * Lissa face plams
22:33 <@Lissa> *palms
22:33 <@Dagmar> If yer gonna fuck up, do it with gusto
22:34 <@Lissa> i told him if he was gonna do something, do it big
22:34 <@Lissa> and boy did he ever
22:34 <@Dagmar> Failure is bad, but epic failure is hilarious
22:34 <@polerin> lol
22:34 <@polerin> though to be honest that is an appropriate time
22:34 <@polerin> XD
22:34 <@Lissa> every parent at the game turned their heads really fast...i'm sure you could have heard a pin drop and the swooshing noise their heads made
22:34 <@polerin> just not an appropriate age
22:34 <@Lissa> erin: i said it was an appropriate time..just not the place
22:35 <@aestetix> hey
22:35 <@aestetix> anyone bored?
22:35 <@aestetix> I need help with a project
22:35 <@Dagmar> Wait... bored people on iRC?
22:35 <@Dagmar> NEVAR
22:35 <@Lissa> nevar
22:35 <@Lissa> damnit
22:36 <@someninjamaster> evening all
22:36 <@sdodson> NEVARZ
22:36 <@aestetix> anyeon wanna help?
22:36  * Lissa bonks sdodson like the whack-a-mole game
22:37 <@sdodson> NO!
22:38 < eryc> oh i'll help!
22:38 <@Lissa> aestetix: not really in the mood to help you with your myspace layout.  sorry.
22:39 < eryc> aestetix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
22:40 <@polerin> hehe
22:41 <@aestetix> Uh, it's not a fucking myspace layout.
22:41 <@Lissa> so, more vanilla?
22:41 <@Dagmar> This is good.
22:46 <@aestetix> Is anyone else having issues with internet lag?
22:47 <@Lissa> some drunk guy just knocked on my door because he thought this was his room
22:48 <@aestetix> Man why the hell is everything happening at the same time?
22:49 <@Dagmar> You broke time motherfucker
22:49 <@Dagmar> Be more careful with it
22:50 <@Evilpig> damn the flight from un'goro to orgrimmar is long
23:03 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: You gotta look at http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot090808194802da8.jpg
23:06 <@Evilpig> one sec.  was doing cable management
23:07 <@Evilpig> oh gees
23:07 <@Evilpig> you need to ask to see the GM amusement park.
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23:13 <@Evilpig> trying to figure out a way to hang my surge protectors under the desk and out of sight.  but nothing is super easy
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23:14 <@Lissa> double sided tape
23:14 <@Evilpig> that won't hold forever
23:14 <@Lissa> true...you could drill holes and use zip ties
23:14 <@Evilpig> thinking I should goto lowes and get some eye screws then zip tie through those
23:15 <@JimShoe> anyone have a laptop they might want to trade for a used but in great condition mac Book Pro 1.83 Ghz
23:15  * Lissa nods
23:15 <@Evilpig> before too much longer my office will looks almost like a non-cave dweller uses it
23:15 <@Lissa> oh dear.  what will we do?
23:15 <@Evilpig> pillage and rape
23:16 <@Evilpig> need to hang this keyboard drawer too.
23:18 <@aestetix> "So Sussman began working on a program. Not long after, this odd-looking bald guy came over. Sussman figured the guy was going to boot him out, but instead the man sat down, asking, "Hey, what are you doing?" Sussman talked over his program with the man, Marvin Minsky. At one point in the discussion, Sussman told Minsky that he was using a certain randomizing technique in his program because he didn't want the machine to have any preconceived notions.
23:19 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I've seen youTube stuff of the GM island if that's what you're referring to
23:19 <@Evilpig> yes but have you been there?
23:19 <@Dagmar> I assume that I'll wind up there if I get into trouble
23:20 <@Dagmar> I know I saw the similar place in EQ a few times
23:20 <@Dagmar> heheh
23:20 <@Evilpig> but actually what I meant was that.  I have asked to see GM island hundreds of times.  one GM said that GM island is boring if you want to know where the real fun is you should see the GM amusement park
23:20 <@Dagmar> No idea bout that
23:20 <@Dagmar> Maybe they keep it on a special server
23:20 <@Dagmar> Someone would have explored it on the private servers by now if the data were in everyone's client
23:20 <@Evilpig> all my GM sessions end with "two questions 1) can you magic me up some gold  2) will you port me to GM island"
23:21 <@Evilpig> the island is there.  the amusement park was just one GM fucking with me
23:21 <@Dagmar> Ah
23:22 <@Dagmar> I had the sneaking feeling hte amusment park might be a place about 32,000 feet below where they teleport you to
23:23 <@Evilpig> I can't wait to see the wormhole generator to gadgetzan in the xpac
23:23 <@Evilpig> then an entire party will get to fall to their doom
23:23 <@Dagmar> Or perhaps become eaach other for about 30s
23:23 <@Evilpig> gadgetzan portal only ever gets you there or ports you above there
23:23 <@Dagmar> I am somewhat nonplussed with the Gadgezan teleporter
23:24 <@Dagmar> Not just aboce.
23:24 <@Dagmar> Above and nowhere near it.
23:24 <@Evilpig> the area52 portal is much more fun
23:24 <@ShadowHntr> what is this
23:24 <@ShadowHntr> second life?
23:24 <@Evilpig> the winterspring portal will occasionally set you on fire
23:24 <@Dagmar> ShadowHunter: It's a trinket engineers in WoW can make that teleports you to a place other people can't go.
23:24 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: cool :)
23:24 <@Dagmar> ...except it's gnomish/goblin technology.
23:24 <@Dagmar> Meaning you're taking your life into your own hands by using it
23:25 <@Dagmar> ...to greater or lesser degrees.
23:25 <@Dagmar> Like, both goblin and gnomish specialized engineers can make some boots that let you run 15% faster for awhile.
23:25 <@Dagmar> Gnome speed boots may occasionally go berzerk.  You'll go fast alright, but you have no control over which direction.
23:26 <@Evilpig> cept goblin occassionly explode
23:26 <@Dagmar> You can easily wind up running into or off of something.
23:26 <@Evilpig> gnomish just fizzle and don't work
23:26 <@Dagmar> Goblin boots just explode outright.
23:26 <@Evilpig> all goblin stuff has a chance to blow up
23:26 <@Dagmar> No, trust me, gnomish speed boots basically fear you
23:26 <@Dagmar> I've had it happen 3-4 times now.
23:26 <@Evilpig> heh
23:26 <@Evilpig> the engineering stuff is fun
23:26 <@Dagmar> At least when you go back to the goblin boots you can loot them for spare parts.
23:27 <@Evilpig> alright i've cleaned up as much of this as I can for tonight.  i'll bring zip ties home tomorrow and see if I can't get these tucked up under there
23:27 <@Dagmar> All gnomish stuff has a chance to malfunction as well.
23:28 <@Evilpig> I hate it when my mind control cap backfires.  that always ends poorly.
23:28 <@Dagmar> ...whether it matters that it blows you up immediately is something you will have time to contemplate when running back to where you died.  :)
23:28 <@Dagmar> Damn I hate the mind control cap
23:28 <@Dagmar> If you're a pet class it's almost useless
23:28 <@Evilpig> they are fixing it back in the patch.  thank god
23:28 <@Evilpig> it will be usable in combat again
23:28 <@Dagmar> You can't use it with a pet out
23:28 <@Dagmar> Good.
23:29 <@Dagmar> Not using it in combat was a serious annoyance
23:29 <@Dagmar> I means you have to be the puller.
23:29 <@Evilpig> yup
23:29 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'm more comfortable using the infernal.
23:29 <@Evilpig> have you seen all the fun stuff in the xpac for engineers?
23:29 <@Dagmar> "Okay guys, this is my infernal.  Let's watch him kill like mad and hope he dies before his five minutes are up"
23:30 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I've not looked at the Engineering stuff at all
23:30 <@ShadowHntr> *yawn*
23:30 <@Dagmar> Mainly, I've just been hoarding the FUCK out of herbs
23:30 <@Evilpig> http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Engineering#tab=New_Item_Enhancement_Recipes
23:30 <@Evilpig> going inscriptin eh?
23:30 <@Dagmar> I have over 1000 peacebloom now
23:30 <@Dagmar> Insccription?
23:30 <@Dagmar> No, I intend to get a new epic moount..  :)
23:30 <@Evilpig> new profession is inscription.  and it uses herbs for the inks
23:30 <@Dagmar> The first day that patch drops I expect to make at least 1,000 gold
23:31 <@Dagmar> There will be NO shortage of any of the low level herbs
23:31 <@Dagmar> ...cuz basically, I've been buying them out of the AH twice a day for "going" price
23:31 <@Evilpig> heh
23:32 <@Dagmar> Earthroot, silverleaf, fadeleaf, Khadgar's whiskers, etc etc
23:32 <@Evilpig> this is what they will want. http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Inscription#tab=Reagents
23:32 <@Dagmar> Yeah I already looked that stuff up
23:32 <@Dagmar> Yay for the snatch filter in Auctioneer Advanced
23:32 <@Evilpig> complete with levels.  someone even put a 300 leveling guide out for it
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23:35 <@Dagmar> BTW the secret to the snatch filter is that once you set up *what* to snatch, you have to go into that last hanging tab, and click the triangle to turn it ON and *then* go back to the main tab and tell it to search for all herbs
23:35 <@Evilpig> might get my bank to take that up.  the 20 minute hearth is kinda useful for a bank
23:36 <@Dagmar> Seriously tho that first day I'm going to list about 500 of everything at 1G apiecce.
23:36 <@Dagmar> It'll sell
23:36 <@Evilpig> sad part is you're probably right
23:36 <@Dagmar> I know I am
23:37 <@Evilpig> only wild card is the other ppl thinking the same thing
23:37 <@Dagmar> This is two years in a row I've underestimated just how many damn eggs I can sell for Christmas
23:37 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I can no longer see the bottom of the mailbox on my hoarding alt.
23:37 <@Evilpig> heh
23:38 <@Evilpig> get a couple of cenarion sachels and fill a gimp bank with them
23:38 <@Evilpig> three bank slots and one on the toon.  should be plenty and wouldn't cost much
23:38 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure that would be enough
23:38 <@Evilpig> each one is 28 slots
23:38 <@Dagmar> I've blown about 500 gold on this so far
23:38 <@Dagmar> Each mail holds 12 slots.
23:39 <@Dagmar> That's 600 stacks of all kindsa herbs
23:39 <@Evilpig> you can only see 7 pages of mail
23:39 <@Dagmar> Oh don't I know it
23:39 <@Dagmar> I actually managed to lose a bag full of about 100G of potions last month, so I cleared that alt out
23:39 <@Dagmar> I just plain lost track of where it was and it expired.
23:40 <@Dagmar> It was all my heavy raiding potions.
23:40 <@Evilpig> I have done that
23:40 <@Evilpig> Inearly lost 15 flask of fort's
23:40 < eryc> http://riotclitshave.livejournal.com/1306046.html
23:40 <@Dagmar> Resist potions of every sort, injectors, agility drinks
23:41 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I am very much looking forward to new pets
23:41 <@Dagmar> Did I mention I don't seem to NEED a pet anymore for non-elite mobs?
23:41 <@Evilpig> I saw the corehound listed .  that's awesome
23:41 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah that's a nifty one
23:41 <@Dagmar> BRK has pix of it
23:42 <@Dagmar> I gotta get something that can keep up with the DPS
23:42 <@Dagmar> It doesn't much matter when I start shooting.  The mob dies at my feet.
23:42 <@Dagmar> Sometimes I have to hit it twice with the stick
23:42 < eryc> oh look, your post is deleted again
23:42 <@Dagmar> I'll fix that
23:44 <@Dagmar> Done.
23:44 < eryc> hehe
23:45 <@Dagmar> Thanks for the heads up
23:45 <@polerin> You know
23:45 <@Dagmar> Yes.
23:45 <@polerin> I think I come across as much more confrontational in posts than I do in irc or real life :P
23:45 <@Dagmar> Heheh
23:45 <@polerin> (Not that i'm non-confrontational in either of those two formats.. just... .. .yeah)
23:47 <@Dagmar> I can't help but suspect there's some hippie wearing a woven hoodie and tattered fatigue pants just cussing every time they see the post come back.
23:47  * Catonic goes into yawn mode
23:48 <@Dagmar> Just so no one gets the wrong idea.... I'm not refusing to be 100% helpful to them.
23:48 <@Dagmar> The 100% helpful posts went up DAYS ago, and were summarily deleted.
23:49 <@Evilpig> going to bed on this note.  http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2008/09/on-cats.php
23:49 <@Dagmar> This is the fourth or possibly fifth thing i've posted there that they've deleted.
23:49 <@Dagmar> This is the one I'm standing my ground on.
23:49 <@polerin> Dagmar: join #tech
23:49 <@polerin> on indy
23:49 <@polerin> the whole network isn't exactly the most active
23:49 <@polerin> but sometimes it gets rolling and whooo that's a fun thing to just watch
23:51 <@Dagmar> polerin: Why would I join that?
23:52 <@Dagmar> Like, about the only thing I've got to contribute for there would be a captcha that's not so easily beaten and at the moment, that would mean rewriting some code. Hehe
23:53 <@polerin> heh
23:54 <@polerin> because there's actually active discussion in there sometimes
23:54 <@Dagmar> Ahhh
23:54 <@polerin> plus I'm trying to trick you into getting involved, even if it's just out of pure "Oh for fucks sake let me fix it"
23:54 <@polerin> <-- sneaky.
23:55 <@polerin> eye r ninjaaaaah
23:55 <@Dagmar> Creative Commons has a captcha I've seen a few times lately, which as a side effect is transcribing book scans.
23:55 <@Dagmar> Should kinda be a nobrainer since they have a devkit and everything
23:56 <@aestetix> god
23:56 <@Dagmar> Basically, many people get the same captcha at once
23:56 <@aestetix> iceweasel is a piece of shit
23:56 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Well, I wouldn't call it a piece of shit, but it's definitely stripped to the point of being painful to use.
23:56 <@aestetix> actually
23:56 <@aestetix> most web browsers are these days
23:57 <@Catonic> how is it that we have OCR but not captcha readers?
23:57 <@Dagmar> I got no problems with FF under Linux
23:57 <@aestetix> Or maybe it's just that web programmers are not elegant, thus their shitty code crashes browsers
23:57 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Because Indians are cheapre
23:58 <@Catonic> Dagmar: the chinese are cheaper.
23:58 <@Dagmar> ...and graphical captchas tend to do things that drive OCR software crazy for a reason
23:58 <@Dagmar> Catonic: But they can't all read english
23:58 <@Dagmar> At least, I'm going based on the stuff I read last about captcha farming consolidation in India
23:58 <@Catonic> you don't need english to complete a captcha
23:58 <@Catonic> 90% of the ones I see are not word based.
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