--- Log opened Thu Sep 04 00:00:06 2008 00:02 -!- Shadow404 [n=shadow40@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit ["leaving"] 00:02 -!- Shadow_Probation [i=shadow40@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #se2600 00:02 < Shadow_Probation> hey all 00:03 -!- wrench [n=wrench@c-98-240-105-200.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:03 < Shadow_Probation> brimstone: i told you not to tell anyone jeez 00:04 < Shadow_Probation> anyway, anyone have $10,512 to pay off bail bonds 00:05 -!- Shadow_Probation is now known as Shadow404 00:05 -!- ShadowHntr [i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 00:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 00:06 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 00:10 -!- Shadow404 changed the topic of #se2600 to: <@sysmin> Is 200 dollars to much to pay a dominatrix? | <@Shadow404> Anyone recommend a good tech savvy lawyer in the Seattle Area? 00:10 -!- dochench [n=dochench@c-68-52-22-101.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Evening, dochench 00:12 < dochench> heya! how goes? 00:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Not bad, you? 00:12 <+Dagmar> Sup! 00:12 <@ShadowHntr> hey 00:12 < dochench> same., no major complaints. :) 00:12 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: question - can i update my volunteer registration info on the website? 00:12 < dochench> heya dag, shadow 00:12 <@ShadowHntr> or do i have to contact stefanie 00:12 <@ShadowHntr> howdy 00:12 <@ShadowHntr> enjoying the new job here :D 00:12 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not in charge of volunteers, sorry 00:13 <@ShadowHntr> been appointed the "patch czar" for our team 00:13 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: you're more involved in operations then i am, thought you may know a little. 00:13 <@ShadowHntr> appreciate it anyway 00:13 <@ShadowHntr> :) 00:13 < dochench> corydon: got an opinion on pika cards? 00:14 <@ShadowHntr> i'm also aiming to go to florida for a week RIGHT BEFORE PHREAKNIC lol 00:14 <@ShadowHntr> i'll be flying back the day it starts 00:14 < dochench> where is phreaknic this year? same place/time? 00:14 <@ShadowHntr> 24-25 october 00:15 <@ShadowHntr> days inn at the stadium 00:15 <@ShadowHntr> Shadow404: ping 00:15 <@Shadow404> yo 00:15 <@Shadow404> sorry, just finding some info relevant to my case 00:15 <@ShadowHntr> Shadow404: what you in seattle for 00:15 <@Shadow404> im so gonna kill brimestone for peeping 00:17 -!- Feltenix [n=Tanstaaf@adsl-074-166-075-102.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:29 <@juice> http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20223260,00.html 00:30 <@juice> i love this 00:30 <@juice> This CNN.com feature is optimized for Adobe Flash Player version 8 or higher. 00:30 <@juice> You are currently using Flash Player 10 00:30 <@juice> and it wants me to install flash player 00:34 <@Jagobah> hey phreaknic dates announced 00:35 <@Jagobah> I think this time I'll get a hotel room instead of sleep in my car 00:35 <@Jagobah> ! 00:37 <@juice> lol 00:38 <@ShadowHntr> lol 00:38 <@ShadowHntr> maybe i can pay back russell and crash in another hotel room again this time =) 00:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Jagobah: you're always welcome to sleep in my room. 00:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Jagobah: you might even get laid 00:42 -!- remoford1 [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:43 * ShadowHntr still has Thorazine in his glove box - offers it to Corydon to forcefully sedate ware if necessary ;) 00:44 -!- nightcarnage [n=nightcar@c-68-52-192-120.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:45 <@juice> Jagobah, and you may even get to try out the boy butter 00:46 <@Jagobah> wat 00:47 <@juice> heh ask Corydon76-dig 00:47 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.boybutter.com 00:48 <@Corydon76-dig> The perfect lube. Slippery, doesn't dry out, washes off with soap and water. 00:48 < dochench> tight agenda. heh. 00:49 -!- nightcarnage [n=nightcar@c-68-52-192-120.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:51 < dochench> any RHCE's here? 00:58 <@Corydon76-dig> dochench: http://lpsg.org 00:58 < dochench> :D 00:59 <@Corydon76-dig> thought you'd want to sign up 00:59 <@Corydon76-dig> We all know ware isn't a member 01:00 <@Corydon76-dig> NSFW: http://www.swollentip.com 01:00 <@Catonic> Never needed lube. She always had enough. 01:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: not when you put it in her pooper 01:01 < dochench> swollentip.com: fucking ow. 01:02 <@timoguin> god i hate diet sodas. 01:02 <@Corydon76-dig> dochench: yep 01:03 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: not enough pep for you? 01:03 <@timoguin> they just taste like shit. 01:03 <@timoguin> always a flat-like, weird taste to them. 01:03 <@timoguin> aspartame or whatever. 01:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Try ginger ale or dr pepper in diet form 01:04 <@timoguin> I wonder what kind of money shocks sites like that make in advertisements. 01:04 <@timoguin> because that's not a difficult business. 01:05 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: I don't like dr pepper diet either. 01:06 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: http://timoguin.com/ 01:07 <@timoguin> Read that blog. Any thoughts? 01:07 <@Catonic> I'm bored. 01:08 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: does it have to be a service, or could you get another GSM card for your own use? 01:08 <@Corydon76-dig> because you can buy a GSM modem, plug it in via serial or USB, and script your own service 01:09 <@timoguin> what would something like that cost me? 01:09 < dochench> Nor can I afford to pay to have an SMS-enabled phone with a good API plugged into my server at all times. 01:09 < dochench> does that mean you can't buy any hardware to do this? 01:09 <@Corydon76-dig> the modem costs around $250, plus whatever the data service costs per month 01:09 <@timoguin> Yea, fuck that. It's not that important to me. 01:10 <@timoguin> dochench: yes, pretty much. 01:10 <@timoguin> Which is why I came up with the email/twitter solution. 01:10 < dochench> why not just pump the meat of the review out through your cell provider website to sms you then? 01:10 < dochench> why even involve twitter 01:10 <@Corydon76-dig> If I saw a business plan around it, I could put something like that together, but I'm not one to run a free service "to get numbers up" 01:11 <@timoguin> dochench: you mean like text.vzw.com or something? 01:11 < dochench> ya 01:11 <@timoguin> Captcha. 01:11 < dochench> ah 01:11 <@timoguin> tried a bunch of other free SMS sites but it took me a few hours to get the text, if i got it at all. 01:12 <@timoguin> Twitter wouldn't scale at all though. 01:12 < dochench> no email to sms service.. email to 1615xxxxxxx@vzw.com? 01:12 <@timoguin> hey... that i didn't think of. 01:13 <@timoguin> something else someone mentioned... can't you use aim to send a message to a phone number? 01:13 <@timoguin> i bet libpurple would work for that. 01:13 <@Corydon76-dig> But you're trying to send an SMS to initiate it, correct? 01:13 <@timoguin> Yes. 01:13 <@Corydon76-dig> That's the part where you need an SMS modem 01:13 <@timoguin> My solution for that was to just SMS to e-mail on my phone. 01:14 < dochench> sms to email tho. 01:14 < dochench> so really, it is just email to email. 01:14 <@timoguin> pretty much i guess. 01:14 <@Corydon76-dig> If you can email on your phone, it's no problem 01:14 < dochench> email in, sever scrapes rottentomato parses for the meat of it, emails back to yadda@vzw.com 01:14 <@Catonic> timoguin: can't you just send a text to google and get the result? 01:15 <@Corydon76-dig> It's fairly easy to set all that up with a .forward file in your home directory 01:15 <@Corydon76-dig> and Perl, perhaps 01:15 <@timoguin> Catonic: probably. 01:15 <@timoguin> Wanted to do it myself though. 01:15 < dochench> hehe, catonic has the kiss solution. :) 01:15 <@Corydon76-dig> It's a great way to learn 01:16 <@timoguin> I don't see a specific option for google that really fits. 01:16 <@timoguin> I'd like to be able to specify the sites to scrape. 01:16 <@timoguin> "rt before the devil knows you're dead" 01:16 <@timoguin> "imdb y tu mama tambien" 01:17 < dochench> got ya, you want to be able to specifiy the source for review. 01:17 < dochench> or have the server hit multiple sources and aggregate for you. 01:17 <@timoguin> yea, but that would be the easy part. it'll pretty much be rt all the time. 01:18 <@timoguin> but the scraping and regex and stuff will be easy. 01:18 <@timoguin> the hard(ish) part is how to get from phone to server and back to phone. 01:19 < dochench> try email.. i get system alert that way. but i use tmobile.. i just email to my phone number and it ends up as a sms on my phone. 01:19 <@timoguin> i'm testing it. 01:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Set me up with your sister, and I'll build it for you. ;-) 01:20 <@timoguin> She doesn't like nasty homos. ;-) 01:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, I'm bi 01:20 <@Corydon76-dig> And I have a bigger dick than ware 01:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Not that that's saying anything 01:20 < dochench> http://www.sms411.net/2006/07/verizon-sms.html 01:21 <@Corydon76-dig> I think my 7yo nephew has a bigger dick than ware 01:21 < dochench> send it to your 11 digit number at vtext.com 01:21 < dochench> 10 digit rather 01:21 <@timoguin> dochench: yea i already found it. 01:21 <@timoguin> got it. 01:21 <@timoguin> awesome. looks like the best solution. 01:22 <@timoguin> I tried the 11 digit the first time. 01:22 < dochench> it'll truncate the message if it is over the sms length, so you'll have to plan for that. 01:22 <@timoguin> Of course. 01:22 <@timoguin> I want the response to be pretty short. 01:22 <@timoguin> the movie title and the rt percentage and that's about it. 01:22 <@timoguin> maybe the director etc. 01:23 <@timoguin> Well that would scale if I wanted to let my friends use it. 01:23 <@timoguin> I'd just have to know what carrier they were using. 01:23 < dochench> you can find out from looking up their area code and prefix 01:23 <@timoguin> I think I remember a site a looked at a long time ago that would tell me the carrier for a certain number. 01:23 < dochench> the carrier will own the block. 01:23 < dochench> telcodata 01:24 < dochench> .us 01:25 <@timoguin> If it's someone's first time texting from that number then it could do a lookup via curl to find the carrier. 01:25 <@timoguin> Then keep those results in a db. 01:25 <@timoguin> Looks like a fun project. 01:26 <@timoguin> Wjat 01:26 < dochench> or you could give them 5 bucks and just download all the data 01:27 < dochench> cell data block don't go away too often 01:27 < dochench> http://www.telcodata.us/telcodata/downloads 01:27 <@Catonic> LERG? 01:27 <@timoguin> yea that's $5 a month. 01:27 <@timoguin> of $45 a year. 01:27 <@timoguin> *or 01:28 < dochench> you won't really need it more than once for what your doing. 01:28 < dochench> you're 01:28 <@timoguin> What's the most efficient way to get the initial email to the script? 01:28 < dochench> sendmail 01:28 <@timoguin> Is my POP to mutt a good solution? 01:28 <@timoguin> I mean the email from my phone... the query. 01:29 < dochench> sure 01:29 < dochench> just anything to poll the pop provider 01:29 <@timoguin> Doesn't mutt save all mail in a folder? 01:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Best way to do it is to run your own destination mail server 01:30 <@Corydon76-dig> and feed the emails directly into a script 01:30 < dochench> agree with corydon on that one. 01:30 <@Catonic> anyone need a sparc station 20 with quad standard ethernet and half-duplex fast ethernet? 01:30 < dochench> for free? 01:30 <@Catonic> dochench: ya 01:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Those double as room heaters, right? 01:30 < dochench> 20 is same form factor as the 10, no? 01:31 <@Catonic> dochench: yes 01:31 <@Catonic> and the 2. 01:31 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: well I already have google apps setup for my domain, so that's not something i really want to change. 01:31 <@timoguin> I like it. 01:31 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: create a subdomain for the purpose 01:31 * dochench ponders adding more clutter to the server basement 01:31 <@Corydon76-dig> sms.timoguin.com or something 01:31 <@timoguin> Okay, that would work. 01:31 <@Catonic> dochench: what's your 20? 01:32 <@timoguin> I've never setup a linux mail server. 01:32 < dochench> postfix... easy cheezy. 01:32 <@timoguin> That's one of the things I always had trouble getting working years ago at my dad's. 01:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I've always set up sendmail 01:32 <@timoguin> So I just quit and haven't really messed with it sense. 01:32 <@timoguin> *since 01:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Ask questions. Most of us in here are happy to help. 01:34 <@Catonic> Corydon is always happy to help you stick his dick in your ass. 01:34 <@timoguin> I doubt I'd have trouble with it now. 01:34 <@timoguin> I guess that's something I need to learn to do too. 01:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: nah, tim is 100% straight 01:35 < dochench> don't forget to do your dns and spf records 01:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Also note that if you're hosting on Comcast, they block incoming port 25 01:36 <@timoguin> Ain't blocked with Charter. 01:36 <@timoguin> I don't think. 01:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, cool 01:36 <@timoguin> I have their 16/2 cable. 01:37 < dochench> they block outgoing 25 for me too... if i'm not sending out a comcast mail server on 25, they blackhole it.. iptables works great as a work around if you host your own mail server. 01:39 <@Corydon76-dig> dochench: yeah, I redirect to an outside mail server on port 2500 01:40 < dochench> yes, 200 is too much to pay. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7597232.stm 01:40 <@Corydon76-dig> dochench: coming to the meeting on Friday? 01:41 < dochench> wasn't planning on it, but guess i could.. where is it these days? JJ's? 01:41 <@timoguin> vandy. 01:41 -!- ShadowHntr [i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["End of line."] 01:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Vandy Hill Ctr 01:42 <@Corydon76-dig> 2nd floor, usually, in the network planning conference room 01:42 < dochench> is it a formal thing with set topic, or just a meet/discuss thing? 01:42 <@Corydon76-dig> PN planning, mostly 01:43 < dochench> sure, i'll come.. signed up to volunteer about an hour ago, heheh 01:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Cool 01:58 < dochench> was thinking about a n96, but the freerunner is out.. might be my next phone. 02:01 <@timoguin> there were also the rumours about how soon the HTC Dream with android would be out 02:03 <@timoguin> mmm... cake. 02:07 <@aestetix> vagina 04:08 -!- TheLightCosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5ff3634b35b3ca50] has joined #se2600 05:09 < TheLightCosine> wow the dude from Mythbusters was at HOPE? 05:49 <@Shadow404> brimstone: ping 05:49 <@Shadow404> cake with a side of hot tea 05:51 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [No route to host] 05:57 -!- TheLightCosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5ff3634b35b3ca50] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 06:12 -!- TheLightCosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1ee0162aa980029e] has joined #se2600 06:12 < TheLightCosine> way to go Chrome for being vulnerable to a 3 charachter long attack code rolfmao! 06:57 < TheLightCosine> anyone awake? 07:00 < I-MOD> no 07:00 < I-MOD> most certainly not 07:01 < TheLightCosine> nm i got it sorted 07:01 < I-MOD> :D 07:02 < TheLightCosine> trying to prove to a home suer the problem is with their ISP not our Citrix Secure Gateway 07:02 < TheLightCosine> needed an external trace 07:02 < TheLightCosine> for comparison 07:03 < TheLightCosine> but i found a web absed 07:33 < TheLightCosine> unbeleivable 07:34 < TheLightCosine> ask my opinion on an issue, then totally ignore what I tell you, and get a manager rbeathing down my neck because it was done wrong 07:34 < TheLightCosine> argg! 08:05 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 08:08 <@poiupoiu> mornin' all 08:09 < TheLightCosine> morning 08:09 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:09 <@poiupoiu> sup Dolemite, TheLightCosine 08:10 <@Dolemite> <% Response.write( "Hi, TheLightCosine" ) %> 08:10 * Dolemite reminds TheLightCosine of the hell that is his daily life in a M$ only shop 08:10 <@Dolemite> howdy poiupoiu 08:10 <@Dolemite> WTF does your name mean, by the way? 08:11 <@poiupoiu> my primary nick was taken, so this is an alt nick 08:11 <@poiupoiu> and look where the letters line up on a keyboard 08:11 <@poiupoiu> :P 08:11 <@Dolemite> ah 08:11 <@Dolemite> well just wanted to make sure it wasn't some newfangled acronym 08:12 <@poiupoiu> everyone has a different pronounciation for it 08:14 <@Dolemite> so what is your primary nick? 08:17 <@poiupoiu> Gomez 08:17 <@Dolemite> Patriarch of the Addams Family? 08:17 <@brimstone> that's the one! 08:17 <@brimstone> patriarchs ftw! 08:17 <@poiupoiu> patriarch? couldn't think o' the word brimstone ? 08:17 <@brimstone> distracted with videocasts 08:19 <@poiupoiu> Dolemite, same name, but didn't take the name because of Gomez Addams 08:22 <@brimstone> i love tab complete 08:23 <@Shadow404> brimstone: wtf, you weren't supposed to tell anyone i got incarcerated 08:24 <@poiupoiu> wb Shadow404 08:24 <@brimstone> i forgot Shadow404 08:25 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.46] has joined #se2600 08:25 <@Dolemite> How was the pokey? Get cornholed enough to keep you satisfied for a while? 08:25 < TheLightCosine> damn you Dolemite! =p 08:27 <@Shadow404> lets just say that im glad scotchick shipped me some soap on a rope 08:27 <@Shadow404> that stuff is no joke 08:28 < TheLightCosine> what were you in for shadow? 08:28 <@Shadow404> nothing, you guys are just overl gullible 08:29 <@Shadow404> especially Shadowhunter 08:29 <@Shadow404> i was on vacation, geez 08:31 <@Dolemite> s/gullible/optimistic/ 08:31 <@sdodson> 00:42 < thumper^> round robin dns 08:31 <@sdodson> 00:43 <@sdodson> you spin me right round 08:31 <@sdodson> 00:44 < teferi> like A record baby 08:31 <@Dolemite> One day our dreams will come true! 08:31 <@sdodson> yay, we bought qumranet! 08:31 <@Dolemite> sdodson : Perhaps you should buy another vowel 08:32 <@sdodson> Dolemite: why? 08:33 < Curbob> sdodson: nice 08:33 <@sdodson> Why does Shadow404 need a lawyer? 08:34 < Curbob> is it cuz everyone in channel yesterday thought he was in jail? 08:35 <@Shadow404> heh 08:35 <@Shadow404> i just lawled when dcode messaged me on scotchick's aim and was asking if i was arrested 08:36 <@Shadow404> i just laughed for a good few minutes while i was enjoying some nice scotch on top of the space needle 08:36 <@sdodson> Shadow404: REALLY!?! 08:36 <@sdodson> THAT IS SO MOTHAFAKAN KEWLZ! 08:38 < TheLightCosine> Dolemite.response.redirect("biteme.asp") as epr your earlier rgeeting =p 08:38 < Curbob> what was cool/funny was that it went from did anyone here that Shadow404 was arrested, to shit i'm messaging him, his phone goes to VM, call the local jails, send out a the army.. Prez is on the line we are at defcon 4 08:45 < TheLightCosine> heh 08:48 < TheLightCosine> I finally completely gave up on this Communicator project 08:48 < TheLightCosine> I could not egt the API calls to function correctly 08:48 < TheLightCosine> and i know squat about C# so i'm not about to try it in that heh 08:55 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:58 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:01 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has joined #se2600 09:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 09:02 * TheLightCosine cries for wants of a unified AD structure 09:06 <@Evilpig> penny arcade should win an award for the current one 09:07 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o remoford] by ChanServ 09:09 <@brimstone> Evilpig: it's pretty good 09:17 <@dc0de> morning se2600 09:19 < TheLightCosine> hahaha 09:19 < TheLightCosine> that's great 09:24 < TheLightCosine> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/8/20/ < tear-enducing! 09:28 <+MaxieZ> I did it all for the wookie 09:28 < I-MOD> come on, the wookie 09:32 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has joined #se2600 09:34 <@dc0de> MaxieZ: watch out for those wookies... 09:36 <+MaxieZ> On this not...an oldy, but a goody: http://xkcd.com/469/ 09:37 < TheLightCosine> rofl 09:38 <+MaxieZ> s/not/note/ 09:48 <@dc0de> nice 09:52 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 09:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 10:00 <@nachoguy> mr0nin 10:01 <@nachoguy> FREE SHADOW! 10:01 <@nachoguy> with purchase of small drink 10:02 <@brimstone> rofl @ nachoguy 10:02 <@brimstone> that's how they getcha, on the drinks 10:02 <@nachoguy> yeah 10:02 <@nachoguy> and then they stick you with a free shadow 10:05 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has joined #se2600 10:05 < nated0g_wrk> good morning 10:07 <+MaxieZ> Is shadow worth a small drink? 10:07 * MaxieZ ponders 10:08 * critch wonders if it is worth bothering on a small drink. 10:08 * polerin gets a small drink and gives MaxieZ the free shadow 10:08 -!- m0j0-j0j1 [n=jkemppda@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 10:08 <+MaxieZ> Give the shadow to Corydon76-dig 10:11 <@SkyDog_> Morning all. 10:11 < m0j0-j0j1> howdy 10:11 * ladymerlin pokes SkyDog_ 10:12 <@nachoguy> I bet she does 10:12 <@nachoguy> err~... 10:14 < m0j0-j0j1> anyone have a eee pc? 10:14 * brimstone 10:14 <@brimstone> and ladymerlin and SkyDog_ 10:14 <@nachoguy> I got one for my brother 10:14 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, I have a 4gig surf. 10:14 <@nachoguy> I've used it a few times. watched a movie on it the other day 10:15 <@nachoguy> not a work horse, but nice, light, and portable 10:15 < m0j0-j0j1> was thinking of getting a 4g surf to replace my palm 10:15 <@SkyDog_> True. 10:15 <@brimstone> m0j0-j0j1: i'd go with an acer aspire one 10:15 < ladymerlin> i like mine 10:16 <@brimstone> cheaper, a little bit bigger, and better graphics card 10:16 <@brimstone> can actually handle a 720p h264 mov file 10:16 < m0j0-j0j1> bigger? 10:16 <+MxZBot> bigger is not better? 10:17 <+MaxieZ> ~botsnack 10:17 <+MxZBot> thanks maxiez :) 10:17 <@nachoguy> hrm, I'd heard about the Acer one, just hadn't really checked it out. 10:22 <@nachoguy> http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/john-mccain-vietnam.php 10:22 <@nachoguy> it's a heart-felt story about a boy and his dog. 10:22 <@nachoguy> without the dog 10:22 <@nachoguy> or the boy 10:23 <@nachoguy> ooh, they're opening a waffle house museum in Atl 10:24 < TheLightCosine> ugg 10:24 < TheLightCosine> I swear they set us up to fail on this desk 10:25 < m0j0-j0j1> they feel you can do magic 10:26 < m0j0-j0j1> they have faith in you 10:27 < m0j0-j0j1> the acer One looks to be more expensive than the 4G surf 10:27 < m0j0-j0j1> and its smaller 10:28 <+MaxieZ> Holy crap. A parent organization just sent out an anti-electronic voting spam to our school and they're all seem to be for getting rid of them 10:28 <+MaxieZ> http://www.voterga.org/ 10:29 <@nachoguy> what the hell is a "Vo Terga"? Is that Latin? 10:29 <@nachoguy> => 10:29 < TheLightCosine> they set up a webcast, and tell people "if you have any questions contact the service desk" but then they don't tell us anything about including what software they are even using 10:29 <+MaxieZ> are you serious? It's voter ga 10:29 < TheLightCosine> so how they expect us to fix any problems with it is beyond me 10:29 <@nachoguy> MaxieZ, yes, I can read. I was just being stupid 10:29 <+MaxieZ> I wasn't sure if => was a grin or derefrencing an array in perl 10:30 <+MaxieZ> er hash 10:30 <@nachoguy> isn't it both? 10:30 <+MaxieZ> I guess :) 10:30 < TheLightCosine> lol 10:32 <@nachoguy> Vo Terga! Q'Plah! 10:38 < nated0g_wrk> waho museum! 10:41 * brimstone punches RIS 10:42 <@nachoguy> Rectal Itch Syndrome ? 10:42 <@brimstone> might as well be 10:42 <@brimstone> Remote Installation Services 10:42 <@nachoguy> what are they remotely installing? 10:42 <@brimstone> xp 10:44 <@nachoguy> there's your problem. => 10:46 < m0j0-j0j1> werd 10:46 < m0j0-j0j1> microsoft word 10:47 < tdc_vga> hey what's the best colo in Huntsville? 10:47 < tdc_vga> and Huntsville vs. Nashville --opinions? 10:48 <@Corydon76-dig> IIRC, Huntsville gets uplink from Nashville 10:48 <@Corydon76-dig> So Nashville is necessarily closer to the hub 10:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Nashville to Atlanta, and Atlanta to Mae-East 10:50 -!- m0j0-j0j1 [n=jkemppda@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit ["a statistical reminder of a world that doesn't care"] 10:50 <+MaxieZ> Traceroute 10:58 -!- SkyDog_ [n=SkyDog@mail.mybluefunk.com] has quit ["leaving"] 10:59 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has joined #se2600 10:59 -!- thearn [n=thearn@mail.mybluefunk.com] has joined #se2600 11:00 -!- thearn is now known as SkyDog_ 11:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SkyDog_] by ChanServ 11:15 < tdc_vga> http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/4/eight_members_of_rnc_activist_group 11:15 < tdc_vga> yay protestors are now terrorists --it's official 11:15 < tdc_vga> god bless the USA. 11:18 < TheLightCosine> no wonder the british think we've become facists 11:19 < tdc_vga> damn, it's sad when the brits think that 11:19 < tdc_vga> here goes the Chicago 6 again 11:20 < TheLightCosine> one of the guys i work with who is in the Uk has to explain to his girlfriend that we're not all as bad as the news makes us seem 11:20 < TheLightCosine> lol 11:20 < TheLightCosine> it's funny but really sad too 11:21 < tdc_vga> it was hilarious when i was in europe (hilarious in that ,... ugh way). people would LITERALLY tell me "we don't hate you, we just hate your president" 11:22 < TheLightCosine> heh 11:22 < TheLightCosine> the old team lead here said last time he went to australia he had to pretend he was canadian 11:22 < TheLightCosine> the aussies kept picking fights with him 11:22 < TheLightCosine> fistfights i mean 11:24 <@nachoguy> yeah, one of my old admins used to wear Tshirts with the canadian flag on them when he went to europe 11:24 < tdc_vga> we made fun the canook maskers.. heh 11:24 <@polerin> tdc_vga: well, read up. Dag and I had a long discussion about that 11:24 <@polerin> hehe 11:25 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:25 <@polerin> but the UK has *NO* call to start pointing fingers ;p 11:25 < tdc_vga> you could spot an american if you knew what to look for... we'd see the canadian flags and then we'd pick fights with them, heheheh 11:25 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o arafatm] by ChanServ 11:26 <@polerin> tdc_vga: hell, if they can spot me as an american and give me shit about it, I'll give them worse examples they can use on the next person 11:26 <@polerin> :P 11:26 <@polerin> most of what they have to say is nothing compared to my criticisms of our country 11:27 < tdc_vga> fucking USA man. 11:27 * polerin is feeling pretty bitchy today. 11:28 < tdc_vga> such a powerhouse turned into this steaming pile of crap. 60's round two! 11:28 <@polerin> tdc_vga: if it gives you any clue, I'm looking up old wobbly songs just to make myself feel better :P 11:28 < tdc_vga> corrupt ass government. 2 parties that differ ever so slightly.. no fiscal conservatives with a chance of getting elected, right wing zelots, ugh 11:29 < tdc_vga> "creation science" my ass. 11:29 < tdc_vga> i have to stop thinking about it, my head is gonna pop 11:29 < tdc_vga> lol 11:29 < TheLightCosine> lol 11:29 < TheLightCosine> tdc i feel exactly the same way 11:30 -!- Feltenix [n=Tanstaaf@adsl-074-166-075-102.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 11:30 < TheLightCosine> but hey the UK survived Margaret Thatcher, we still have a chance 11:30 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't think Obama is a fiscal conservative? 11:30 <@polerin> tdc_vga: you know who the wobblies were? 11:30 <@Corydon76-dig> His budget plan is already balanced 11:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Feltenix] by ChanServ 11:30 <@polerin> ~minilink http://www.tabcrawler.com/search.php?show=viewfile&letter=k&artist=kendrick%20john&tabname=christians%20at%20war&tabtype=lyric&id=920215 11:30 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/tabcrawler.com/Byhoe.php 11:31 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: i'll be voting for obama no matter what. 11:31 <@polerin> <3 the wobblies 11:31 < tdc_vga> unless he starts acting like palin, then i'm leaving. 11:31 < tdc_vga> polerin: nope, don't know em (by name at least) 11:32 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [No route to host] 11:32 <@nachoguy> I actually read something about Obama's Financial advisor while sitting in the doctor's office yesterday. Sounds like an interesting guy 11:32 <@polerin> tdc_vga: the IWW 11:32 <@polerin> aka the wobblies. One of the most radical unions ever 11:32 < tdc_vga> think we can raise enough money to buy an island in a foreign district? 11:33 < tdc_vga> i need my own country... the country-o-slacker. 11:33 <@polerin> anarcho-syndicalists mostly at the start 11:33 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:33 < tdc_vga> we'll work to survive and slack for the rest... by slack i mean bust ass, but have fun while doing it, heh 11:34 < I-MOD> are there any significan third party candidates right now? 11:35 < I-MOD> s/an /ant / 11:35 <@rhia> Barr - Libertarian, McKinney - Green, last i heard they seemed to be getting the nod 11:35 < tdc_vga> none will get more than 2-3% at best. 11:35 <@rhia> depending on your take on "significant" 11:35 < tdc_vga> my ex-fiance is voting green... i want to shake the shit out of her, but damnit it's her vote and she can do what she likes. 11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> The problem with Barr is that for most of his time in Congress, he voted in ways that were extremely non-Libertarian 11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> So he's not a true believer 11:36 < I-MOD> i may end up voting on one of them...as i like neither the dems or GOP in this election 11:36 < tdc_vga> RON PAUL, FTW! 11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Ron Paul gave up on the race 11:36 <@rhia> GA --> Barr, Gringrinch, McKinney, .... *deep sigh* 11:37 < tdc_vga> i refuse to live in a republic US again 11:37 < tdc_vga> even when dems had the house/senate they didn't do SHIT. 11:37 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: he did indeed... he's the new Ralph Nader. 11:37 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga: sure they did... they just couldn't get past the filibuster 11:37 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: and eventually caved in 11:37 < tdc_vga> i would have held the senate / house at a stand still 11:37 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: it's not so much he gave up as he was effectively booted out. 11:37 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga: it ain't over yet 11:38 < tdc_vga> fuck that, i would have caned one of the republicans... 11:38 <@aestetix> The candidate selection process I saw this year was equivocal to high school bullying 11:38 < tdc_vga> just straight cracked the minority whip in the head.. like the good ol' days 11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> by the time the law has a chance to go into effect, the new president will be in office 11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> and his atty general may well still rule against the telecoms 11:39 <@Corydon76-dig> The new law only gives the atty general the power to make a determination... it does NOT say what that determination will be 11:39 <@Corydon76-dig> And if the atty general rules against the telecoms, the lawsuit can be dismissed as moot 11:40 <@Corydon76-dig> err, the lawsuit against that law 11:40 <@Corydon76-dig> and the lawsuit against the telecoms can proceed 11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe then we'll see the telecoms placed into receivership, possibly converted into public utilities 11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Major win for the American public 11:42 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: i like your optimism ... i personally just think we're all fucked. 11:45 <@rhia> if we all sit on our thumbs and moan that we're fucked... we are, we're just fucking ourselves along with allowing them to rape us 11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: fucking outselves with our thumbs? 11:46 <@rhia> in a sense 11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga: well, that future is only possible with an Obama win 11:46 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: oh trust me i know 11:46 <@rhia> more .... not making a choice, not doing anything IS making a choice ... the choice to not DO anything 11:47 <@Corydon76-dig> With McCain in the White House, the telecoms will get immunity 11:47 < tdc_vga> funny my best friend is a lesbian and she called me sounding all excited about palin (she hadnt researched anything mind you) 11:47 < tdc_vga> i didnt have the heart to tell her palin hates gay people, heh 11:47 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: I'm skeptical on whether Obama will prosecute them. 11:47 <@aestetix> How do you take into account FISA? 11:47 <@Corydon76-dig> She does know that Palin is NOT the first female VP candidate by a major party, right? 11:48 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: read up 11:48 <@aestetix> ok 11:48 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: thank you, that's been ticking me off everytime i hear it 11:48 <@aestetix> 1984, I believe. 11:48 <@aestetix> I could be wrong. It was in the 80s. 11:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Geraldine Ferraro 11:49 <@Corydon76-dig> You may remember her from earlier in the campaign... she had to resign from Clinton's team due to some embarrassing comments she made about Obama's race 11:49 <@aestetix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates 11:50 <@polerin> yeah 11:50 <@polerin> I meen seriously 11:51 <@polerin> palin? 11:51 * polerin gives up 11:51 <@polerin> the repugnicants have totaly gone off the deep end 11:51 <@aestetix> Huh, apparently Nader has had female VP picks. 11:52 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: hence why I said "major party" 11:52 < tdc_vga> i wish i'd seen the days when americans had rights. 11:52 <@aestetix> Heh. 11:52 < tdc_vga> that woulda been nice. 11:52 <@polerin> tdc_vga: .. like.. when? 11:52 <@aestetix> 1864 11:52 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't remember 2000? 11:52 < tdc_vga> oh 1776-ish when there was no real government, heheheh 11:52 <@polerin> sure, if you were white, male, and a land owner 11:52 <@polerin> :P 11:52 <@aestetix> Or really, pre-Lincoln 11:53 <@aestetix> polerin: isn't that what an American was? ;) 11:53 < tdc_vga> shit, i dont own land. 11:53 < tdc_vga> fine i just give up 11:53 <@polerin> aestetix: **twitch** 11:53 <@polerin> that's it. everyone dies. 11:53 < tdc_vga> fuck it... i'm going to live in some country where i'm an oddity... 11:53 < tdc_vga> so i can just "hide out" and be considered "quaint" --like somewhere in africa, or bangladesh, etc. 11:54 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga: you're already considered an oddity... stay put... 11:54 < tdc_vga> nah, i'm outta this fucker. 11:54 < tdc_vga> everyday i just get more and more pissed off. 11:54 <@Corydon76-dig> You're the only lawyer I know who walks around in flip-flops 11:54 <@polerin> heehe 11:55 <@aestetix> tdc_vga: you're a lawyer? 11:55 <@remoford> free mars guys 11:55 < tdc_vga> In fact, St. Paul actually negotiated a special insurance provision with the Republican Host Committee so that the first $10 million in liability for lawsuits arising from the convention will be covered by the Host Committee. The city is very proud of this negotiation. It’s the first time it’s been negotiated between a city and the Host Committee. But it basically means we can commit wrongdoing, and we won’t have to pay for it. 11:55 < tdc_vga> only hell... 11:55 < tdc_vga> aestetix: yes, yes i am 11:56 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: and a mohawk =) 11:56 <@aestetix> tdc_vga: full up? Passed the bar? 11:56 <@remoford> you could try to make yourself a little micronation out at sea but they tend to get conquered pretty quick 11:56 < tdc_vga> aestetix: Florida Bar #: 0054679 11:56 <@aestetix> Cool. 11:57 <@Corydon76-dig> bbiab... time for my morning shower... 11:57 < tdc_vga> i'm going to start a law practice which only takes cases where i end up suing republicans 11:57 <@polerin> heheh 11:57 < tdc_vga> which is funny cause i'm a registered republican --so i can vote for the biggest loser in their primaries hahahah 11:58 < tdc_vga> i'd LOVE to get arrested at one of these protest sweeps 11:58 < tdc_vga> "oh you're a republican and an attorney, oh shit..." 11:59 <@remoford> bah 11:59 <@remoford> theyd charge you with furtherance to terrorism 11:59 <@remoford> and youd never be heard from again 12:00 <@remoford> hard to file a motion when your balls are hooked up to a car battery 12:00 <@nachoguy> not if they're lovingly hooked up 12:00 <@nachoguy> they take special care to do things right 12:01 <@nachoguy> to ensure your comfort white they electrocute your genetalia 12:01 -!- TheLightCosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1ee0162aa980029e] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 12:01 < tdc_vga> remoford: can't send me to gimo =) 12:02 < tdc_vga> well legally... fuck it, let em shoot me 12:02 < tdc_vga> i'm a fucking McCoy by blood.. my West by-god redneck relatives will burn that state to teh ground, heh 12:03 <@aestetix> wait 12:03 <@aestetix> Is ware actually gone? 12:04 < tdc_vga> he's left se2600 i believe, heh 12:04 <@rhia> hell, this crew doesn't even care if you served the US in their war ... if you're back here and not rabidly BushCo, you're "What's wrong with America" 12:05 <@remoford> tdc_vga: as you said last night, its semi martial law 12:05 < tdc_vga> it sadly is 12:05 < tdc_vga> how can police take out an insurance policy to violate my rights? 12:05 <@aestetix> Um. 12:05 <@aestetix> It's not semi-martial law. 12:05 <@remoford> and your statement "my West by-god redneck relatives will burn that state to teh ground, heh" is pretty much dead on incitement to a riot 12:06 <@aestetix> There is an executive order that gives Bush the power to declare martial law at whim. 12:06 <@aestetix> Between the executive orders and the signing statements, we're fucked. 12:07 < tdc_vga> i'm gonna start a political party called "I don't care what you are or what you believe, I just hate everything going on now and i want it to stop" 12:07 < tdc_vga> hahahah 12:07 <@aestetix> Ok, correct me if I'm wrong. 12:07 <@aestetix> But I'm pretty sure Jefferson warned us about allowing a large company to be treated as an individual. 12:09 <@rhia> aestetix: Military Commissions Act suspends habeas corpus in "some situations" or what not, the Defense Authorization Act allows Bush to declare a public emergency to station troops and take control of the state based guards .... which do you refer to? 12:10 <@remoford> thats the semi part here "allows" 12:10 <@remoford> granted thats pretty thin 12:10 <@aestetix> rhia: there's that, too. 12:11 <@polerin> oh btw 12:11 <@polerin> have you guys heard the rumors that blackwater is doing security at the RNC? 12:11 <@polerin> like out in the streets? 12:11 < tdc_vga> hahahaha polerin are you KIDDING me? 12:11 < tdc_vga> that would be AMAZING 12:11 <@polerin> no serioiusly 12:12 <@polerin> it's unconfirmed at this point 12:12 <@polerin> lemmie find the link I saw, haven't read in detail, sorta busy 12:15 <@polerin> meh, nothing good in the link. 12:15 <@polerin> http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6817 12:15 <@polerin> there it is anyway 12:16 <@polerin> basicly it's an iraq war vet saying that the way a specific bunch of security forces were outfitted was eerily similar to blackwater 12:16 <@polerin> and that they had no insignia's or badges 12:17 <@polerin> and no identification (which police are supposed to wear, but many do not) 12:17 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has joined #se2600 12:19 <@polerin> oh shit, I hadn't heard that they had targeted FNB again 12:24 <+MaxieZ> ~minilink http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/#comment-119807 12:24 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/librarian.net/SlgWs 12:25 <@polerin> hey... tdc_vga, question 12:25 < tdc_vga> polerin: go for it 12:25 <@polerin> have you ever filed a FOIA request? 12:26 <@polerin> or know how to do that kind of thign? 12:26 <@polerin> thing 12:26 < tdc_vga> polerin: never filed one but i know about them, yes. 12:26 < tdc_vga> i took some classes on Administrative law 12:27 <@polerin> how big of a pain is it, and what costs are associated? 12:28 < nated0g_wrk> hang on have a good article to read about a guy asking for info 12:28 < tdc_vga> not sure on the current costs... i believe you generally pay per "page" requested + time in generating the results, and i'm sure a filing fee 12:28 < tdc_vga> it can be a pain, is pretty slow from what i understand, and they can deny it, then you have to file/request an appeal, etc. etc. 12:29 <@polerin> in specific, I was curious to see if we could file a FOIA request looking for information re possible use of non-police forces in denver and in Min/StP 12:29 <@polerin> we already know the national guard was in play 12:29 <@polerin> I'm curious what else 12:30 < nated0g_wrk> shit it was on ehowa.com 12:30 < nated0g_wrk> guy had requested every form from NSA. he said it cost about 700 12:30 < nated0g_wrk> for research and printing paperwork 12:31 < tdc_vga> polerin: you can request documents and see if you can find out. they can deny for "national security" reasons i believe. 12:31 < tdc_vga> i'm not overly versed on FOIA, just know "enough" about it to tell you where to look for more info, heh 12:31 < tdc_vga> http://www.osec.doc.gov/omo/foia/foiarequest.htm 12:32 <@aestetix> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2633159172413478267 12:32 < tdc_vga> polerin: are you seeking info from the state of the federal government? cause FOIA is federal only. each state has different rules. 12:32 <@aestetix> This is really good so far 12:32 < tdc_vga> aestetix: watched it yesterday, not too bad. 12:33 <@polerin> hmm 12:33 <@polerin> well, wasn't this a National special security event or whatever it's called? 12:33 <@polerin> which means that the Secret service was in charge of planning security iirc 12:34 < tdc_vga> yeah getting such info is going to be tricky i'd say... they'd have a good "security" denial, heh 12:35 <@polerin> yeah 12:35 < tdc_vga> not saying you shouldnt try.. honestly don't know what you'd want to ask for though... and remember i'm not a TN attorney =) 12:35 <@polerin> I don't know that I have the time 12:35 <@polerin> I'm just curious and think it's important 12:35 < tdc_vga> yeah if blackwater was out there... that's insane. 12:36 <@polerin> wonder what the NLG and ACLU are going to be doing about this as a systematic thing rather than just individual cases 12:38 <@someninjamaster> whats the command that makes the bot read back something 12:38 <@polerin> http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/09/fbi-wanted-obama-plotters-charged-but.html <-- nice article too 12:38 <@polerin> someninjamaster: read back what? 12:38 <@polerin> something? 12:38 <+MxZBot> something is fucked is fucked up 12:38 <@someninjamaster> like that 12:38 <@polerin> yourMom? 12:38 <@polerin> someninjamaster? 12:38 <+MxZBot> someninjamaster is a chemical dealer 12:38 <@polerin> see 12:38 <@polerin> ;P 12:38 <@someninjamaster> haha 12:38 < nated0g_wrk> http://www.thememoryhole.org/2008/07/over-400-nsa-forms/ 12:39 <@someninjamaster> im trying to put one up for trip 12:39 < nated0g_wrk> that is the article i found 12:42 <@rhia> MaxieZ: wait.... Palin tried to ban Little Red Riding Hood by the brothers Grimm? 12:43 <@rhia> or is that just the regular boogyman list being attributed to her? 12:46 <@someninjamaster> help? 12:46 <@someninjamaster> tdc_vga? 12:46 <+MxZBot> tdc_vga is a lawyer, so I'll defer to him 12:46 <+MaxieZ> I think the latter after reading further 12:46 <@rhia> yeah, .... seems more a spate with the librarian and some politicos 12:46 <@someninjamaster> MaxieZ: how would i set tdc_vga's bot response to something diffrent 12:47 <@rhia> then someone decided librarian == banned book list! sigh 12:47 <+MaxieZ> ~no, tdc_vga is not a lawyer 12:47 <+MaxieZ> ~ no, tdc_vga is not a lawyer 12:47 <+MxZBot> MaxieZ: I think you lost me on that one 12:48 <+MaxieZ> I updated it taking to him directly...not sure why that didn't work 12:48 <+MaxieZ> tdc_vga? 12:48 <+MxZBot> tdc_vga is a chicken 12:48 <@someninjamaster> tdc_vga: i need your not a tn lawyer quote 12:49 <@polerin> heh, love this song title "If I had a rocket launcher..." 12:50 <@rhia> not saying you shouldnt try.. honestly don't know what you'd want to ask for though... and remember i'm not a TN attorney =) 12:50 <@rhia> that one? 12:50 <@critch> polerin: is it done to the tune of, "If I were a rich man"? 12:51 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I've filed a FOIA request 12:51 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: for this specifically, or just in general? 12:51 <@Corydon76-dig> in general 12:51 <@polerin> critch: hehe, I only caught the end of it, didn't seem so 12:51 <@polerin> "... yes, if I had a rocket launcher, some Mother fucker would die..." 12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> The rules are: they have to get back to you within 90 days with an estimate of the number of pages. If it's less than a certain threshold, 25, I think, they do it for free 12:52 <@someninjamaster> rhia: he has a really long legal sounding one 12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> If it's more, it's $.10/page 12:52 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: k 12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: You tell them in your initial request how much you're willing to pay 12:52 <@polerin> want to go half in with me on the request about blackwater? :P 12:53 <@Corydon76-dig> If it's less than the threshold, you pay nothing, if it's more, you get a notice to that effect and only the first N pages 12:53 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: to what agency? 12:53 <@polerin> prolly the secret service 12:53 <@polerin> though I'd need to do more research if I really go through with it 12:53 <@Corydon76-dig> FOIA is only effective if you target your request to the right agency 12:54 * polerin nods 12:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Secret Service won't give you FBI records or vice versa 12:54 <@polerin> the reason I say the SS, is because of the status given to the RNC 12:54 <@rhia> hell, half the time, they won't give each other the records, let alone us 12:54 <@polerin> as a special security event or whatever it is 12:55 <@polerin> if I understand correctly, that means the SS is in charge of security 12:55 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you don't understand correctly 12:55 <@rhia> luv the released papers that are basically dates, a few verbs, and a lot of black ink rectangles .... how ... informative 12:55 <@Corydon76-dig> special security event is an insurance term 12:56 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: if the RNC hired them, FOIA doesn't apply 12:56 * someninjamaster reminds himself that he needs to put in an job app at blackwater 12:57 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: I understand, but the agency in charge of security for the event would still be aware of their hiring 12:57 <@polerin> and it's not an insurance term 12:58 <@polerin> it has meening as to who's in charge 12:58 <@polerin> and opens up security options not regularlly avalible to municipalities and states 12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: that may be, but if Blackwater was hired by the RNC, then FOIA does not apply 12:59 <@polerin> I'm not asking the RNC what they knew 12:59 <@polerin> I'm asking the SS what they knew 12:59 <@someninjamaster> hell i could hire blackwater to do armed security at phreaknic if i wanted to 12:59 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: if you had the cash 12:59 <@someninjamaster> damnit you beat me to that line 13:00 <@polerin> someninjamaster: yes. However, you're not talking about hiring them to reinforce police in direct conflict with american citizens 13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: you forget that we know you're a poor IT worker 13:00 <@polerin> I'm not saying it was illegal for the RNC to hire them 13:00 <@someninjamaster> i have some pull around town 13:00 <@polerin> I'm saying it's CHILLING for them to have done so 13:00 <@someninjamaster> why is it so chilling 13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> RNC is not a public event, though 13:01 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no it's not, but the streets are a public place 13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> The RNC also basically hired the city 13:01 <@polerin> and if they hired blackwater 13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: that's true, and the actions of the police may eventually be put to task 13:02 <@polerin> they basicly hired mercenaries to fight against united states citizens 13:02 <@polerin> that's what I'm trying to find out 13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you forget plausible deniability 13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> They were hired for security. If they violated citizens' rights, that is outside of the knowledge of the organizers 13:02 <@someninjamaster> plausible deniability is what mercs are for 13:03 <@polerin> I don't forget it, and I don't forget the fact that even if I got information on it, it might be redacted to the point of being unintelligable 13:03 <@Corydon76-dig> If they collected anything at all 13:03 <@polerin> and I'm not trying to bring suit against the RNC 13:03 <@polerin> I'm looking at getting that information out into public discourse if it exists 13:04 <@polerin> hell IANAL, no way I could stand up against the RNC in court 13:08 -!- unixfag [n=ryan@pdpc/supporter/professional/unixfag] has joined #se2600 13:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o unixfag] by ChanServ 13:10 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Special_Security_Event 13:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah 13:15 <@polerin> which is why they would know the number, type, and likey dispositions of any security forces for the event. 13:17 <@someninjamaster> and polerin's door gets kicked in, in 5...4...3...2...1 13:18 <@rhia> "Cake or Death?" 13:19 < tdc_vga> heh 13:19 < tdc_vga> we need my not an attorney line? 13:19 * tdc_vga was at lunch 13:20 < tdc_vga> Please remember that while I am an attorney, I am not your attorney and I cannot provide you legal advise as I am not a licensed attorney in State, please consult a licensed attorney in your State before proceeding. 13:21 -!- daswork [n=nobody@71.36.142.59] has joined #se2600 13:21 <+MaxieZ> You know I was thinking this morning that scort said "Richard D. James" was the only Richard he knows....how sad is that? 13:21 < tdc_vga> Please remember that while I am an attorney, I am not your attorney and I cannot provide you legal advise as I am not a licensed attorney in State. Before proceeding you should consult a licensed attorney in your State. 13:21 < tdc_vga> that's better 13:22 <@polerin> the cake is a lie. and I want to see you eat every bit of it. Isn't that the best chocolate cake you have ever had? Eat it all or you go straight into the Chokey! 13:22 <@rhia> think the core of the previous FOIA stuff was having a Major political party hire mercs is ..... quite telling as to their belief system and their attitude towards their citizenry 13:23 <@polerin> and my main intent is to fan the flames of discontent 13:23 <@polerin> (to quote the wobblies.. wewt wewt :D ) 13:25 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga? 13:25 <+MxZBot> Please remember that while tdc_vga an attorney, he is not your attorney, and he cannot provide you legal advice as he is not a licensed attorney in State. Before proceeding you should consult a licensed attorney in your State. 13:25 < tdc_vga> * in your State. 13:25 < daswork> Is there any reason why I can't take a WIC-1DSU-T1 card out of a Cisco 1720 router and put it in a Cisco 1721 Router? 13:26 < tdc_vga> heheh.. that makes my life easier =) 13:26 < daswork> The WIC-1DSU-T1s are going for $50, the 1720 routers with WIC-1DSU-T1s on ebay are going for $10. 13:26 < tdc_vga> we should just add that to the title... yes, tdc_vga is an attorney, but no he isn't your attorney hahahahah 13:26 < I-MOD> seriously polerin? a matilda reference? 13:26 < I-MOD> wow 13:26 < daswork> tdc_vga: You seriously an attorney? 13:26 <@polerin> yay someone caught it! 13:26 < tdc_vga> son of a 13:27 * rhia face palms 13:27 < tdc_vga> daswork: yes, actually i am 13:27 <@polerin> I-MOD: actually, it was a blend between portal (duh) and matilda 13:27 < daswork> tdc_vga: Interesting. Mind if I ask you a question? 13:27 < tdc_vga> Please remember that while tdc_vga an attorney, he is not your attorney, and he cannot provide you legal advice as he is not a licensed attorney in State. Before proceeding you should consult a licensed attorney in your State. (Unless your State is Florida, and even then he's not your attorney). 13:27 < tdc_vga> daswork: probably, heh 13:27 < daswork> And I know, regular disclaimers apply. :p 13:27 * Corydon76-dig sings... tdc is not my 'torney, he's just a guy that I met on the run... and the ma-an is not my son... 13:27 < daswork> Heh, if you don't want to answer legal questions, I understand. 13:28 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: ok that's frightening 13:28 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no really, stop grabbing your crotch 13:28 < tdc_vga> i can't answer legal questions is hte issue... i can tell you what i know 13:28 <@polerin> please? 13:28 <@polerin> XD 13:28 * someninjamaster thinks about calling tdc_vga to bail him out and tdc_vga showing up blitzed 13:28 < tdc_vga> but i can't give you advice. always happen to answer questions just NEVER rely on what i say and never ever tell anyone "my attorney told me" yada yada 13:29 < tdc_vga> someninjamaster: yeah i probably would be, heh... i can bail you out, but i can't represent you --unless it's in FL, heh 13:29 < tdc_vga> anyone can bail anyone out 13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga: what about "An attorney suggested..." 13:29 < tdc_vga> daswork: i can answer a question but i can't advise you... 13:29 <@polerin> tdc_vga: I'll make sure you know ahead of time when I'm going to a demo in FL :P 13:29 <@someninjamaster> but keep in mind the clause 13:29 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: a little iffy at best, heh. basically i'm the same as you all in TN --actually i AM the same as you all in TN 13:30 < daswork> tdc_vga: I know a fellow (seriously, someone else, this isn't me) who pays his mortgage, utilties, etc, and has the property in his name. He also has a live in girlfriend, no kids. 13:30 <@someninjamaster> he is an attorney but he is not your attorney 13:30 < tdc_vga> i just happen to be legally trained... so my answers might sound smarter, heh 13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> tdc_vga: except for the large amount of CYA training 13:30 <@polerin> tdc_vga: or more vaugely specific 13:30 <@polerin> hehe 13:30 < daswork> Was discussing his situation with someone else, and the other person says that under the law, the GF can still make a claim against his property if they split up. 13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> and CYA is what we're mostly concerned with 13:30 <@someninjamaster> daswork: how long has she lived with him 13:31 < daswork> someninjamaster: 2-3 years now, I think. 13:31 < tdc_vga> daswork: that's a very very state specific question (family law) and i honestly know JACK SHIT about TN law, heh 13:31 <@rhia> daswork: cstatues of common law particular to that state 13:31 < daswork> Seperate finances. 13:31 <@polerin> daswork: iirc, and I'll be interested in hearing tdc's answer, property disputes like that are very different from stat eto state 13:31 <@someninjamaster> i think that only applys to common law 13:31 <@polerin> wewt I was right! 13:31 <@someninjamaster> and thats 7 years i think 13:31 * polerin dances 13:31 < tdc_vga> polerin: well done =) 13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> And there are no common law marriages in Tennessee 13:31 <@rhia> someninjamaster: depends on the state 13:32 < tdc_vga> http://www.michie.com/tennessee/lpext.dll/tncode/faff?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0# 13:32 < tdc_vga> my favorite site... the TN statues =) 13:32 <@rhia> http://www.unmarried.org/common-law-marriage-fact-sheet.html 13:32 < daswork> Without common law marriage, does she have a claim? 13:32 < tdc_vga> http://www.michie.com/tennessee/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&cp=tncode 13:33 <@polerin> tdc_vga: most property law is state specific right? not just personal but all kinds of stuff 13:33 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: unlikely, then 13:33 < tdc_vga> polerin: the basics are usually the same, but the specifics can be VERY VERY different state to state. 13:33 < tdc_vga> family law is VERY different state to state... very very very different 13:34 * polerin nods 13:34 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: first question is whether the gf can afford a $5,000 retainer 13:34 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: if she can't, she's unlikely to press the issue 13:34 <@polerin> daswork: another question is "uh, if some of it's hers, why do they have to be twits and not work it out like adults" 13:35 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: basically, her legal bills would probably exceed any funds she is likely to obtain from the suit 13:35 <@polerin> seriously people, lawers in personal disputes are for when you can't just be adults and you need someone to negotiate for you 13:35 <@polerin> :P 13:35 < tdc_vga> polerin: actually that's pretty much all disputes 13:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Point that out to her, and she'll probably leave with nothing. 13:35 < tdc_vga> we only get called in when people can't agree... unless criminal. 13:36 <@polerin> tdc_vga: well, yes, but corperations tend to be just as stupid, and just as greedy. without the sense of "being an adult" 13:36 < tdc_vga> yeah corps are run by adults who just can't play nicely 13:36 * polerin nods 13:37 <@polerin> I meen I have nothing against lawyers being brought in before hand for agreements and that kind of thing 13:37 <@rhia> biggest issues in unmarried separations usually resolve around property obtained after moving in together .... to avoid later arguments, if not married, either both sign as co-partners or only one owns 13:37 <@polerin> but that's different than a dispute 13:37 <@rhia> but that entails maturity at the beginning ..... sigh 13:38 <@polerin> (for example, I have a friend who practices surrogacy law. Very very good idea to involve a lawyer there.) 13:40 * tdc_vga hates family law personally.. messiest area of law 13:40 < tdc_vga> had a family law attorney describe family law as "good people at their worst" 13:40 <@polerin> it's because families are deranged and disorderly 13:40 <@polerin> and that's awesome :) 13:41 <@polerin> a completely sane family is a completely boring family 13:41 <@rhia> been divorced 4 times .... managed in 3 of them to have it handled civilly and sanely ... the other... well, he tried to break in numerous times and to hang himself on the kids playset .... 13:41 < tdc_vga> more family law attorneys get murdered than any other type of attorney, heh 13:41 <@rhia> and the moral is: never marry your dealer 13:42 < tdc_vga> one family law attorney told me "yeah, you need to be good at criminal law or at least have a good person to refer to." i asked why "well, hell, i've had 2 cases turn into murder trials" 13:42 <@someninjamaster> wow hanging yourself on the kids playset 13:42 <@someninjamaster> thats style 13:42 < tdc_vga> classy indeed. 13:43 <@rhia> someninjamaster: he was a real winner 13:44 * polerin blinks 13:44 <@polerin> wow no shit. 13:44 <@rhia> older and wiser only comes from surviving young and stupid ...... with my history, i'm working towards sage in my old age 13:45 <@rhia> cuz the stupidity ran rampant 13:46 <@rhia> figure i've got another 40 or so yrs to get a handle on the wiser part ... older comes with still breathing 13:47 <@polerin> what about older and parinoid? 13:47 <@polerin> I think that's the direction I'm heading. 13:47 <@rhia> who said i was paranoid??? 13:47 <@polerin> hehe 13:48 * tdc_vga is going paranoid 13:57 -!- Netsplit brown.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: smoke___, @NotLarry, I-MOD, @ChanServ, nated0g_wrk, @polerin, @Mirage, @Drag0n, @wizardpc, wrench, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 13:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @unixfag, nated0g_wrk, @remoford, wrench, @Mirage, @wizardpc, @NotLarry, +MaxieZ, smoke___, @Drag0n (+5 more) 13:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+oo Dagmar coil] by ChanServ 13:58 -!- polerin [n=erin@c-71-228-216-37.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Changing server"] 13:58 -!- polerin [n=erin@c-71-228-216-37.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:58 <+MaxieZ> So lost without you 13:58 < polerin> damnit. 13:58 < polerin> anyway 13:58 < polerin> .. but don't talk about revolution.. that's going a bit too far. So love me love me love me I'm a liberal! ;P 13:59 * polerin boogies to jello 14:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 14:06 <@Evilpig> is there a quick way for me to convert a unix system time to a standard readable format? 14:07 < polerin> in what language? 14:07 < polerin> or are you just talking at the command line? 14:08 <@Evilpig> command line. but I just founda webpage to do it 14:08 <@Evilpig> have a user telling me he can't get internet but I see him in the logs. just trying to convert the timstamp to something I can track back 14:09 <@Evilpig> just to make sure that is from today and all. but no biggie 14:09 -!- vyrus001 [n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:09 < nated0g_wrk> what time is it set to ? 14:10 -!- vyrus001 [n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net] has joined #se2600 14:10 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:11 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has joined #se2600 14:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 14:16 <@coil> MaxieZ: i heard that 14:27 <@Neoteric> anyone hate tomcat more than me? 14:29 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig maybe. 14:29 <+MaxieZ> Neoteric: I've never considered a developer, but I think I'd have to be physically threatened to code for it. 14:29 <+MaxieZ> s/considered /considered killing / 14:30 <@brimstone> i really think that if we get a signal from SETI, it'll be in primes like contact 14:32 <@Neoteric> indeed 14:32 <@brimstone> Shadow404: you're slipping on seti 14:34 <@coil> bri forgot to run it 14:40 <@Shadow404> brimstone: yeah, i gave up on that, there is no life out there 14:40 <@wizardpc> Okay, so I'm ready to strangle a bitch 14:41 <@wizardpc> defect opened on 7/1, assigned to me TODAY at 2pm. at 2:30 I get a nastygram "why isnt this done. It's been open for 2 months" 14:42 <@wizardpc> *from the person that just assigned it to me* 14:43 <@remoford> has he been sitting on it the whole 2 months? 14:43 <@wizardpc> looks like it 14:45 <@remoford> copy/paste the history and his nastygram into an email to his manager 14:45 <@remoford> im sure that will work things out 14:45 <@remoford> playing ticket games is one thing 14:46 <@remoford> but once someone pulls out the nastygram card ... 14:46 <@Catonic> document document document 14:47 <@remoford> damn skippy 14:47 < Curbob> Comcast sues FCC, wants P2P throttling order overturned http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080904-comcast-sues-fcc-wants-p2p-throttling-order-overturned.html 14:47 <@remoford> altho i saw a dude fired once for documenting 14:47 <@remoford> he spent 50% of his time covering ass and never got anything done 14:48 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:49 -!- freakn [i=freakn@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #se2600 14:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o freakn] by ChanServ 14:52 <@Catonic> tdc_vga: you're carrying a bar card? 14:53 <@Catonic> sup freakn? Where are your bros: buggn and trippn? 14:54 < tdc_vga> Catonic: yes, actually I do =) 14:58 <@Catonic> is constitutional law something covered in law school, or do you need to find a particular school to study that? 15:04 < polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6L8J3L-2Kw 15:04 * polerin is trying not to puke... what the hell 15:05 < polerin> this shit is so upsetting it's making me nautious 15:06 < polerin> flashbangs and teargas on a peaceful protest 15:06 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6L8J3L-2Kw 15:06 < eryc> that one is better 15:06 < polerin> uh 15:06 < polerin> that's tsame one :P 15:07 <@brimstone> yeah, eryc's looks better 15:07 < polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OnnUTK7QjI 15:08 <@Catonic> so what happens... when you show up at a protest with a pitchfork? 15:09 <+MaxieZ> Who are these anarchists that are protesting? 15:09 < polerin> Catonic: you are arrested 15:09 < polerin> they've arrested people for the poles used for puppets before 15:12 <@sdodson> MaxieZ: protesting you! 15:12 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__1Ym_F94CE 15:13 <+MaxieZ> sdodson: Really...that must mean I have real power 15:13 * MaxieZ flips out and cuts a co-workers head off 15:15 <@sdodson> you did a bad bad thing 15:16 <@Feltenix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqBy6TgYxTU 15:17 -!- vyrus001 [n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:18 * nachoguy snickers 15:18 <@nachoguy> my boss just came in and asked me how many people I was hiring. 15:18 < polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lD9uCcoWiw (snerk) 15:18 <@nachoguy> he couldn't recall 15:19 <@sdodson> nachoguy: upsell! 15:19 < polerin> Tom morello beatboxing his riff from bulls on parade becuase the cops pulled the power 15:19 <@nachoguy> we,, I just finished an interview with a guy I really want to hire, and my boss had forgotten about that position. 15:19 <@nachoguy> If we hire this guy and one more solid asterisk guy, I should be set for a while 15:20 <@sdodson> hire me! 15:20 <@nachoguy> by the way, that was a non-subtle hint. 15:20 <@sdodson> That asterisk ninjaz should apply? 15:21 <@nachoguy> sdodson, if you're interested, we would probably hire you 15:21 -!- vyrus001 [n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net] has joined #se2600 15:21 <@nachoguy> sdodson, yeah, I've been trying to get someone from here to Move to Chicago and be an asterisk ninja. 15:22 <@nachoguy> Corydon said he'd do it if we got him a leer jet to commute in 15:22 <@brimstone> where is it? 15:22 <@nachoguy> Chicago 15:22 < polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NaQxjTUXZg 15:22 < polerin> watch it closely 15:22 <@brimstone> chicago? i wanna visit chicago 15:22 <@nachoguy> we have a recruiting event next week 15:22 <@nachoguy> open bar 15:22 < polerin> it looks like it's an unarrest, untill you see that the "black bloc" members who were doing it ran off behind police lines 15:23 <@nachoguy> actually, most of our "corporate" events are open bar 15:24 <@nachoguy> ok 15:25 < tdc_vga> polerin: what am i watching for? 15:25 <@nachoguy> pixels 15:25 <@nachoguy> lots of pixels 15:25 < tdc_vga> that's a supposedly "staged" fight? 15:25 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: is there a way using iptables to redirect all outbound port 80 traffic from a specific IP to a proxy on the back end. When the connection is not nat'd and you can't use -t nat -A PREROUTING ? 15:25 < tdc_vga> i did see a guy check a cop, but the cop did nothing --which seems odd, heh 15:26 < polerin> tdc_vga: watch as the camera turns away from the croud 15:26 < polerin> to follow the cop 15:27 < polerin> you'll see one of the guys who was fighting with the cop running around behind the police lines 15:27 < polerin> and all of them ran in that direction, which doesn't make sense with as close as they were to the police line 15:28 < tdc_vga> i dont see any police lines. 15:28 < tdc_vga> cause i see protesters standing on both sides. 15:29 < eryc> i see a cop getting owned 15:29 < eryc> and then running away 15:29 <@Catonic> don't be suprised if it was a cop that was a plant 15:29 < eryc> he was trying to drag someone away and he got scared 15:30 <+MaxieZ> Evilpig: why can't you use PREROUTING? 15:30 <@SkyDog_> Shadowhunter is upset that he cannot get into the channel since there are too many users in #se2600. 15:30 < polerin> ok, my mistake, the camera turned so quickly I mistook something 15:30 <@Catonic> rly? 15:30 <@Evilpig> it is a bridged connection 15:30 <@Evilpig> so there is no real prerouting 15:31 < polerin> the bike cop threw me off 15:31 <@Evilpig> up the limit from 70 it's been a while since we hit that 15:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [-l] by Evilpig 15:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+l 75] by Evilpig 15:31 <@Evilpig> there 15:31 <@SkyDog_> Hey, I didn't say I was worried about it... I just have to be able to say that I said something. 15:31 < eryc> turn on the bot floods! 15:31 <+MaxieZ> heh 15:32 < polerin> also, did you notice the bike cop didn't even bother to try to jump in and help? 15:32 <+MaxieZ> Evilpig not that I know of. I assume you are forwarding traffic here? 15:32 <@Evilpig> yeah 15:32 -!- ShadowHntr [i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 15:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 15:32 <@Evilpig> we put in a pair of nics. bridged them. then setup a simple firewall using the forward chain 15:32 <@ShadowHntr> danke 15:32 <@ShadowHntr> :) 15:33 <@Catonic> ok, now raise your hand if you're a fed. 15:33 <@Evilpig> I have a problem with the content filter that the transparent proxy likes to crash it. so I was going to have the firewall redirect the traffic from there to the content filter on the regular proxy port. 15:34 <@Evilpig> right now I am thinking the only way I can do it is if I put squid on the firewall then set the forward chaint o dump into that. then have the squid tunnel back to the real content filter. which is a huge mess 15:35 <+MaxieZ> I don't think you can redirect with the FORWARD chain 15:35 <+MaxieZ> Just ACCEPT, DROP, REJECT, QUEUE 15:36 <@Evilpig> I was thinking I could capture the interface using the nat chain without having nat in place and grab it that way with a redirect 15:36 <+MaxieZ> Um....sorry...you lost me there 15:36 <+MaxieZ> How can you use nat without nat? 15:37 <@Evilpig> instead of saying -s 0.0.0.0 so source -i br0 on the nat chain 15:37 <+MaxieZ> But you said you can't use nat 15:37 <@Evilpig> the redirect would be local. fuck i'm lost in my thoughts. nevermind. these lazy fucks just need to set the god damned proxy servers 15:37 <+MaxieZ> I'm not sure how you're doing your bonding, but I don't understand how that would rule out nat in the first place 15:38 <@Catonic> install ISA server... 15:38 <@Evilpig> because there isn't a masquerade setup. it's just straight routing 15:38 <@Catonic> then... LET THE PAIN BEGIN 15:39 <@Evilpig> hrmm. how bout I post this firewall script then you can see what I have setup 15:39 <@Evilpig> it should make more sense then 15:40 <@Evilpig> just a time limit to see which smart ass in here will drop some type of port sniffer on it after I post it 15:40 <+MaxieZ> You can still nat without masquerading 15:40 <+MaxieZ> Network address translation. It's what you're asking 15:40 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/firewall.script 15:40 <+MaxieZ> Masquerading is just one of the things it does...it's not a requirement to use nat. 15:42 <+MaxieZ> http://wheresmycellphone.com 15:43 <+MaxieZ> Try using nat 15:44 <+MaxieZ> iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s theirIP --dport 80 -j DNAT --to ipofproxy:portofproxy 15:44 <+MaxieZ> I don't see why that wouldn't work 15:44 <@Evilpig> tried it. didn't take. just nuked it 15:44 <@Evilpig> iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s 204.184.168.235 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 204.184.168.254:8080 15:44 <+MaxieZ> Did you log it? 15:44 <@Evilpig> no. I can set it to log though 15:44 <+MaxieZ> Yeah...see if it's being hit 15:44 <+MaxieZ> and yeah I forgot -p tcp 15:45 <@Evilpig> it isn't necessary but made it more exact 15:45 <+MaxieZ> OH 15:45 <+MaxieZ> That isn't going to work 15:45 <+MaxieZ> Actually...it works, but it doesn't do what you want 15:46 <+MaxieZ> Cause 204.184.168.254 gets the connection, but then they get a response and they say f you 15:46 -!- Irongeek [n=adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has joined #se2600 15:46 <+MaxieZ> So you'd have to masq that connection for them as well 15:46 -!- Irongeek [n=adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has left #se2600 [] 15:46 <@Evilpig> which is the problem. because it is just routing traffic 15:46 <@wizardpc> I love these people (like my sister) that say east nashville is just as safe as brentwood 15:46 <@wizardpc> last murder in brentwood: 2002 15:47 <@wizardpc> last murder in east nashville: Tuesday 15:47 -!- maco_ [n=maco@128.164.100.93] has joined #se2600 15:48 <@wizardpc> on and this is just hilarious: http://police.nashville.gov/news/media/2008/09/02a.htm 15:48 <@wizardpc> ~minilink 15:48 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/nashville.gov/H9f7u.htm 15:48 -!- maco_ is now known as maco 15:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 15:48 -!- vyrus001 [n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:48 -!- vyrus001 [n=vyrus@h-74-1-176-131.lsanca54.covad.net] has joined #se2600 15:49 <@Evilpig> hrmm. I might have that working. not sure what all it is breaking though 15:49 <+MaxieZ> It doesn't have to just route traffic 15:49 <+MaxieZ> Did you use masquerading? 15:51 <@Evilpig> yeah the masqerading made it work. but it doesn't pass the info for the proxy server from the client trust application. however I was able to route the traffic correctly 15:52 <@Evilpig> so for what I wanted it just isn't going to work. 15:52 <+MaxieZ> Ok 15:52 <+MaxieZ> Sorry... 15:52 <+MaxieZ> You'd probably have to masq all their traffic from then on if you wanted to do that 15:53 <+MaxieZ> The obvious question is why don't they just use the proxy :) 15:54 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [shutting down] 15:55 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #se2600 15:55 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net 15:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+oo I-MOD ladymerlin] by ChanServ 15:59 <+MaxieZ> When does the preregistration for PN end? 15:59 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@152.52.16.3] has joined #se2600 15:59 <@Corydon76-dig> October 1st 15:59 <+MaxieZ> Thanks Corydon76-dig 16:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Might stretch it until the 10th, but... 16:00 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:01 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o remoford] by ChanServ 16:01 -!- daswork [n=nobody@71.36.142.59] has left #se2600 [] 16:15 < polerin> "Many arrestees are also being denied medical attention. One arrestee with hemophilia and another with asthma are being denied their prescription medication. An arrestee with a broken finger is being refused medical care, as is a person who has been coughing up blood." 16:15 < polerin> jeesus. 16:15 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [No route to host] 16:15 < polerin> http://coldsnaplegal.wordpress.com/ 16:19 <@Dagmar> I popped a couple of comments on that last LJ you made 16:20 <@Dagmar> Not terribly hard to figure out whose it was. ;) 16:20 <@Dagmar> In my circle of peeps, you've some fairly singular traits at the moment. 16:24 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:25 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:25 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@c-71-228-205-211.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Afternoon, BlueCopter 16:30 < BlueCopy> good afternoon 16:30 * BlueCopy recovers from a tequila hangover 16:31 <@rhia> Dagmar: not a lot of tkd and parkour people in your circle? 16:31 -!- ShadowHntr [i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["End of line."] 16:31 <@Dagmar> Oddly no 16:32 <@Dagmar> Or at least, the ones I've known in the past aren't particularly internet users 16:33 * BlueCopy drinks his obama beer he got in denver 16:36 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 16:37 <@coil> brimstone crashed and burned 16:39 < polerin> Dagmar: lol 16:39 <@Neoteric> BlueCopy: is that just budlight w/ a sticker? 16:39 <@Dagmar> Nah, it's got to be at least a ... no I can't make that joke. 16:40 <@Dagmar> Prolly has a refreshing taste tho 16:41 < polerin> Dagmar: gee, imagine my supprise you could figure me out from my politics 16:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah truly 16:42 < BlueCopy> Neoteric: no its brewed by maverick. it doesn't have distrobution in tn 16:42 < BlueCopy> there is also a mccain beer 16:42 <@Dagmar> You're one of the few people I know aware of the indymedia-related coverae 16:42 < BlueCopy> but they didn't give those out free at the convention 16:42 < BlueCopy> free as in beer 16:42 <@Dagmar> Talking to some of my guild people in AU last night, they weren't even aware anything was happening here 16:45 < polerin> heh 16:45 < polerin> yeah. 16:47 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.46] has quit [] 16:56 <@Catonic> awesome. i shanked myself while doing dishes 16:59 < nated0g_wrk> see yall tomorrow 16:59 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:01 * Catonic bleeds out 17:02 <@wizardpc> hey, I sliced open a finger walking through a doorway 17:02 <@wizardpc> 4 stitches 17:05 <@Catonic> http://coldsnaplegal.wordpress.com/ 17:05 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has quit [] 17:05 <@Catonic> heh. still had it in my cut buffer. =) 17:11 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o strages] by ChanServ 17:11 -!- maco_ [n=maco@128.164.102.79] has joined #se2600 17:12 -!- nachoguy [i=boster@ivan.dreamhost.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:12 < polerin> wow. 17:13 <@Catonic> wow. we have a little down here in the big city called Dolomite. 17:13 <@Catonic> *town 17:13 < polerin> wizardpc: I think newt gingritch is trying to convert me. I just laughed appreciatively at him saying he aggreed with karl rove 100%" 17:13 < polerin> ... ..... 17:13 -!- brimston_ [n=brimston@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:14 <@wizardpc> so have you thought of a specific homeless service you'd like to talk about yet? 17:14 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:14 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o I-MOD] by ChanServ 17:15 < polerin> heh 17:15 < polerin> I haven't had time to work on it. been to busy getting pissed at cops using flashbangs and teargas on a peacefull march without any kind of announced warning to disperse :P 17:16 <@wizardpc> yes im sure you're seeing the entire video as well 17:16 <@Catonic> bloggers have no more accountability that the modern news media. 17:17 <@Catonic> *than 17:18 <@Catonic> I wonder how long I could go... 17:18 < polerin> wizardpc: yes, including the masses of people tossing flaming molitov cocktails at a lone unarmored policeman walking his dog 17:18 < polerin> :P 17:19 <@Catonic> being homeless. 17:19 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 17:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 17:19 <@Catonic> oh, right, two weeks of being in my office and I go insane and shoot people. 17:20 * wizardpc purs Catonic on the Turrist Watch List 17:20 <@wizardpc> *puts 17:21 <@Catonic> There's no need for that. My case agent is already busy enough. 17:23 -!- brimston_ is now known as brimstone 17:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 17:24 <@coil> Shadow404: 17:27 -!- maco_ [n=maco@128.164.102.79] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:29 < polerin> wizardpc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6L8J3L-2Kw 17:30 < polerin> excuse the frantic reporter. It's not like she was just in range of ~10 flashbangs or anything. 17:30 < polerin> (I was pasting it for someone who was out of countery, though I'd give it to you as well) 17:32 <@Dagmar> If you needed any further hinting that the cops might have been trying to terrify people to get them to stampede, there it is 17:44 <@rhia> Dagmar: said the same sentiment a while ago to a friend 17:44 <@rhia> want to make it look like a confused mob? flash bang them, then Only show the aftermath .... 17:44 * rhia done a bad thing .... 17:44 * rhia is watching msm on tv 17:45 <@rhia> i normally actively avoid television news ... with a loathing passion 17:46 <@rhia> at this point, with electronic voting vetting issues etc., how can ANYONE in a HACKER channel NOT get involved in this election? 17:46 < BlueCopy> i have a loathing passion for my girlfriend 17:46 <@someninjamaster> i hate the news all together 17:47 <@someninjamaster> cnn is so far left 17:47 <@someninjamaster> and fox is so far right 17:47 < BlueCopy> well ethical hackers might think it is wrong to subvert democracy 17:47 < BlueCopy> its not news 17:47 < BlueCopy> its infotainment 17:47 <@rhia> aren't hackers supposed to fix problems, issues, make things more efficient, better, faster, MORE CORRECT? 17:47 <@someninjamaster> correct is a relitive term 17:48 <@rhia> BlueCopy: that's why i can't watch it .. usually 17:48 < BlueCopy> depens on the hackers skill 17:48 < BlueCopy> well its not the place to go for news 17:48 <@rhia> not the skill, the DESIRE is what i'm talking about 17:48 <@someninjamaster> well off to the bowling alley 17:48 < BlueCopy> i think written news is by far the best 17:48 < BlueCopy> $1 bowling in gallatin tonight woo 17:48 < BlueCopy> $2 24oz beers mmm 17:48 < BlueCopy> thats where i am going 17:49 <@rhia> the desire of a real hacker is to make the system function to the best of it's ability, whether it's nuclear, big iron, or weather station 17:49 < BlueCopy> rhia: i disagree 17:49 < BlueCopy> sometimes its just making it function in a different way 17:49 <@rhia> to watch a broken system malfunction, over and over, gets under my skin 17:49 < BlueCopy> not just about functioning to the best of its ability 17:49 < BlueCopy> or breaking that system 17:50 <@rhia> BlueCopy: not break, but ... in a different way ..... is that different way to break it or fix it? 17:50 <@rhia> BlueCopy: any end user can Break it 17:51 < BlueCopy> well its not just about improving things 17:51 <@rhia> hell, my mom can break a system ... she just doesn't know how she does .. or wtf to do when she does 17:51 < BlueCopy> it can be about charging it in a way to your advantage 17:51 < BlueCopy> better is always relative 17:51 <@rhia> true 17:51 <@rhia> but fucking broke should be unacceptable 17:51 <@rhia> make it work First, then make it play 17:52 < BlueCopy> its pathetic so many things just aren't configured correctly 17:52 <@rhia> gah .... 17:52 < BlueCopy> people considering doing what you should to begin with hacking sometimes 17:52 < BlueCopy> its like maintaining your car isn't hacking 17:52 < BlueCopy> its just doing what you should if you're not an idiot 17:53 < BlueCopy> anyway sorry to rant 17:53 <@rhia> BlueCopy: unfortunately, in the next 20 yrs, it may well be only hackers of some variety that CAN maintain their own car 17:53 <@rhia> s'ok, i'm ranting 17:54 < BlueCopy> so anyone going to the nashville 2600 meeting tommorrow? 17:54 < BlueCopy> it is tommorrow right 17:54 <@rhia> electronic voting is closed source, unvetted, and probably corrupt .... but, that's ok cuz it's not a cool issue? 17:55 < BlueCopy> well i dated a girl and she thought everything she didn't understand was magic 17:55 < BlueCopy> she called it magic 17:55 < BlueCopy> when i tried to explain things to her she just didn't listen 17:55 < BlueCopy> thats the problem 17:55 < BlueCopy> willful ignorance 17:55 <@rhia> the mainstream media (msm) is closed, corrupt, and pitching party BS instead of anything resembling facts.... but that's ok cus it's not a cool issue? 17:55 <@rhia> BlueCopy: then try various attempts to change the process 17:56 < BlueCopy> you have to have money to lobby to make the uninteresting issues into something better 17:56 < BlueCopy> or lots of people complaining 17:56 <@rhia> do "hackers" walk away from problems? or do slackers? 17:56 <@brimstone> slackers! 17:56 * rhia hugs brimstone 17:56 < BlueCopy> i walk away from people who have problems 17:57 < BlueCopy> but thats mostly to do with their craziness 17:57 <@rhia> brimstone: tho you may get girl cooties (i remember your comment a few weeks ago) ;) 17:57 <@brimstone> yay girl cookies! 17:57 <@rhia> BlueCopy: so if the country itself is crazy? 17:57 < BlueCopy> ill take a sugar cookie please 17:58 <@rhia> got chocolate chip and peanut butter 17:58 <@rhia> (our politics in cookie format) 17:58 < BlueCopy> rhia: i try to be optimistic but i encounter people who don't care about anything but their selfish issues 17:58 <@rhia> no other choices, the 3rd party cookies are all gone 17:58 < BlueCopy> they don't care about politics at all and if they do they vote against their rational self interest 17:59 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:59 <@rhia> BlueCopy: i try, but when faced with people who are intelligent, used to fixing issues, and can do something - but shrug and go "not cool enough" so they Don't ... i get ... angry 17:59 <@aestetix> man 18:00 <@aestetix> anyone else have issues where if you're awake during sunlight, you get really tired? 18:00 <@coil> hi what's a good credit card compnay 18:00 < BlueCopy> i do. i am also a vampire though 18:00 <@coil> hopefully i have enough credit to get a better apr 18:00 <@rhia> define "good" 18:00 <@coil> one that doesn't suck? 18:00 <@rhia> coil: fail 18:00 <@coil> get away from crapitalone 18:01 < BlueCopy> i think they are mostly levels of evil 18:01 < BlueCopy> i don't know the least evil though 18:01 <@coil> but i just fucked up and paid late on a payment 18:01 < BlueCopy> ouch 18:01 <@coil> they charged me $40 18:01 <@rhia> try wells fargo 18:01 <@rhia> on that note ... dinner won't cook itself 18:02 < BlueCopy> mmmm what are you making? 18:02 < BlueCopy> i have steaks marinating now 18:03 < BlueCopy> nothing gets me higher then a big slab of red meat 18:03 <@aestetix> Heh. 18:04 <@aestetix> My credit is probably horrible. 18:04 <@aestetix> Even though I don't have a credit card. 18:04 <@aestetix> I really need to stop ignoring bills. 18:04 < BlueCopy> haha the republicans have the honky-tonk badonkadonk guy singing 18:04 < BlueCopy> aestetix: how long do you ignore them? 18:04 <@aestetix> A while. 18:04 < BlueCopy> i stoped paying my cable so they stoped sending bills like 8 monthes ago 18:05 <@aestetix> It's more that I'm focused on too much and I'm never home. 18:05 <@aestetix> I really just forget about them. 18:05 <@aestetix> And also don't really care. 18:05 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:05 < BlueCopy> they left it off for 2 weeks with no explanation so i told them i wasn't paying 18:05 < BlueCopy> whats funny though it my cable never got disconnected 18:05 <@aestetix> By "bills" I mean student loans. 18:05 < BlueCopy> on demand even works 18:05 < BlueCopy> oh ok 18:05 <@aestetix> My important bills, like rent, are always paid on time. 18:06 < BlueCopy> so is anyone going to the nashville meeting tommorrow? i have never been but plan to go tommorrow 18:07 <@Dagmar> I am 18:07 < BlueCopy> is it fun? what do you guys usually do afterwards 18:08 < BlueCopy> my friend djs at the flying saucer every friday and always has room on his tab for me 18:24 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have fun regardless since i'm driving the scooter in (unless it's >85F) 18:26 < BlueCopy> i want to get a vespa 18:26 < BlueCopy> i wouldn't want to drive it all the way to nashville though 18:28 <@Dagmar> They're also pretty pricey 18:35 < BlueCopy> that doesn't make them any less badass 18:35 < BlueCopy> i doubt ladies like vespas though 18:37 < M0j0-j0j0> last time I checked Chase had the best credit card deals if you need to transfer a balance 18:39 < M0j0-j0j0> creditcards.com says it's the "Discover More" card 18:42 < M0j0-j0j0> other sites say Citi Platium Select 18:44 < dochench> bah. dave ramsey. :) 18:44 < M0j0-j0j0> be warned about Citibank.... my credit is out of this world and my mom works for citibank and they won't give me a card 18:45 < M0j0-j0j0> but they gave me a mortgage so... I don't quite understand all that 18:45 < dochench> visa is the devil. };D 18:45 < M0j0-j0j0> American Express is the devil 18:46 < BlueCopy> fractional reserve system is the devil 18:46 < dochench> any RHCE's in here? 18:47 < M0j0-j0j0> I think that Bank of America is the card that pissed me off the most... except for discover who I refuse to do business with from the get go 18:47 < M0j0-j0j0> dochench: all of mine have gone home for the day 18:47 < dochench> yeah, i kicked discover to the curb also. screw em all actually. 18:48 < dochench> i signed up to take the RHCe, then panic started to set in because I haven't touched a red hat system in like 8 years. heheheh 18:48 < M0j0-j0j0> dochench: yeah.. I'm about 2 weeks away from paying off my last credit card 18:49 < BlueCopy> i used to want to do the fight club thing and blow up all the credit card companies but then i realized that terrorism 18:49 < M0j0-j0j0> dochench: ./configure; make; make install 18:49 < dochench> mojo, it'll feel really nice.. we paid every thing off about 1 month ago. 18:49 < BlueCopy> lets go to delaware and protest 18:50 < dochench> gotta go make dinner for the kiddos. 18:50 < M0j0-j0j0> dochench: chicken!! 18:50 < M0j0-j0j0> dochench: with rice 18:51 < M0j0-j0j0> dochench: and a can on cream of mushroom soup as the gravy 18:51 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 18:54 -!- nachoguy [i=boster@ivan.dreamhost.com] has joined #se2600 18:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o nachoguy] by ChanServ 18:54 <@nachoguy> so, has anyone accidentilly the whole thing ? 18:55 <@Dagmar> LOL 18:55 <@Dagmar> Holy bejeezus 18:56 <@Dagmar> I just realized the people from East Side Scooters *live in my condoplex* 18:56 < M0j0-j0j0> O.M.F.G! 18:56 <@Dagmar> Well, I saw some references in their blog to my zip code, started looking and find http://kymcojones.blogspot.com/2008/06/welcome-sctrcst-visitors.html 18:59 < M0j0-j0j0> I only have it in for BOA because when I had my identity stolen and called them to let them know that I never applied for a card with them they told me that they couldn't help me because I couldn't tell them what someone put on the application for my mothers maiden name 18:59 < M0j0-j0j0> Hell! Oh! 18:59 <@Dagmar> Go down and talk to a manager in person, with documentation showing your proof of residence. 19:00 <@Dagmar> If they give you the same line of BS, calmly mention that your only remaining option is to call the police and report it as a crime in progress. 19:00 <@Dagmar> ...and then we'll call Channel 5. 19:00 <@Dagmar> :) 19:00 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: I just paid it off.. it wasn't worth my time 19:01 <@Dagmar> You paid off someone elses credit card 19:01 <@Dagmar> *headdesk* 19:01 <@sdodson> No it's his, pay attention. 19:01 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: It wasn't that much and it certainly wasn't worth spending a lot of time on 19:01 <@Dagmar> They *do* wake up over there if you view such a thing as your money being stolen from the bank. 19:02 < M0j0-j0j0> besides.. that was before I had a house and 2 cars and all that to worry about 19:02 <@Dagmar> Ah 19:03 < M0j0-j0j0> it was actually during the bubble and I was a developer at the time so... I was living like a rock star 19:03 <@Dagmar> Hmm... if I'm going to Bongo on the scooter I better head out now 19:03 < M0j0-j0j0> how the mighty have fallen :) 19:03 <@Dagmar> Ah 19:03 <@Dagmar> Know the feeling 19:04 <@sdodson> Dagmar started the Internet! 19:04 < M0j0-j0j0> well.. I've got to head home or people are going to start calling the police and hospitals looking for me 19:04 < M0j0-j0j0> again 19:05 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: what's going on for the meeting thing this month? 19:05 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: i don't know, apparently Chuck Berry is in town some folks were going there 19:06 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I'm stuck in the office until 8pm so I'm not going to run the gallery.... 19:06 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: it's not like there are organized topics 19:06 * sdodson checks the forums real quick though 19:07 < BlueCopy> there are forums? 19:07 < M0j0-j0j0> well, after a 13hour day of sitting in meeting I doubt that I would feel like listening anyways 19:07 <@Corydon76-dig> BlueCopy: you coming to the meeting tomorrow? 19:07 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-192-167.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 19:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o tcstool] by ChanServ 19:08 < BlueCopy> i am indeed 19:08 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: you guys headed to a bar or something around 9P? 19:08 <@Corydon76-dig> BlueCopy: it'll be good to see you again 19:08 < BlueCopy> again did we meet before? 19:08 < BlueCopy> at phreaknic? 19:08 <@Corydon76-dig> probably 19:09 <@Corydon76-dig> I meet too many new people at PN to remember everybody's names 19:09 <@Corydon76-dig> I still have a picture of you, though 19:09 < BlueCopy> yea me too 19:09 < M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: that's creepy 19:10 < BlueCopy> don't let those get out to the media 19:10 < BlueCopy> those were private pictures 19:10 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: Usually stay at Royal Bean until 9-10pm then move on over to Playmakers, it all depends though. 19:10 <@Corydon76-dig> It's photoshopped into 200 gay sex scenes... hope you don't mind... ;-) 19:10 -!- MudFlap_ [n=chatzill@c-98-193-131-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o MudFlap_] by ChanServ 19:10 < BlueCopy> haha 19:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Oddly, your face has the same expression in each one... 19:11 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: unless it's raining too hard I guess I'll see ya there 19:11 <@Corydon76-dig> No, no, no, I'm joking. I don't have Photoshop. I used Gimp. ;-) 19:11 < BlueCopy> crap i am out of canola oil for my streaks =( 19:12 < M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: is it "oh no, I said I would never drink again... and here I am... again... in prison...." 19:12 < BlueCopy> im off to the grovery 19:13 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I'll be the one that looks like everybody else.. but older and ... harboring sinister thoughts. 19:15 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@152.52.16.3] has quit ["not what teacher said to do"] 19:15 <@sdodson> yay, moar haxors for raleigh 19:15 <@Dagmar> Ugh. Recount is still malfunctioning. 19:15 <@Dagmar> Eshk has WAY more than 490 DPS 19:21 <@nachoguy> Dongs Per Second? 19:21 <@Dagmar> Damage Per Second 19:22 <@Dagmar> I was averaging 650 DPS with that toon a few weeks ago, _before_ some upgrades 19:22 <@Dagmar> From just how quick I can drop a lot of mobs, it's got to be closer to 800 DPS now 19:25 <@sdodson> TOTALLY! 19:26 <@aestetix> vagina 19:27 <@sdodson> TOTALLY! 19:33 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-192-167.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:49 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:52 <@Dagmar> Damn. 19:52 <@Dagmar> There's officially white trash living in the apartment I was trying to get Jooline to get 19:53 <@Dagmar> Some fool hilbilly in a truck was just demanding I pay him "his money" 19:53 < BlueCopy> what makes it offical? no teeth? 19:53 < dochench> what money? 19:53 <@Dagmar> I apparently walked outside to check the weather while there was some ongoing dispute between hillibilly in truck and the people who live up there 19:53 <@Dagmar> He apparently thought I was with them 19:53 < BlueCopy> hahaha 19:54 < dochench> heh 19:54 < BlueCopy> what was your response? 19:54 <@Dagmar> He's a little furious right now 19:54 < dochench> you should have shouted "neva foo!" 19:54 < BlueCopy> thats not the way to get your money 19:54 <@Dagmar> That's pretty much what I was telling him 19:54 -!- wizardpc [n=wizardpc@c-98-193-191-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:54 < BlueCopy> tell them you can work with them on a payment plan if they are behind 19:55 < BlueCopy> people are much more receptive to that 19:55 <@Dagmar> I think my immediate response was "Fuck if I'm giving you money while you're being a dick." 19:55 < BlueCopy> if they don't pay then evict 19:55 < BlueCopy> my cat quit paying me so i am going to kick his ass out 19:57 -!- dmcmorris_esi [n=dmcmorri@dmcmorris.net] has joined #se2600 19:58 <@Dagmar> I think I'll go check my mailbox and take my letter opener with me. 19:59 <@Dagmar> I get extremely large envelopes sometimes 19:59 < dochench> heh 19:59 < dochench> that reminded me.. i need to get my carry permit. 20:00 < dmcmorris_esi> to carry your mail? 20:00 < dochench> yar :) 20:00 <@Dagmar> lol I got an apology 20:00 <@Dagmar> It's all good now 20:01 <@Dagmar> I *did* tell him I didn't owe him any money the first time 20:01 <@Dagmar> I guess without the katana he thought I was being saucy 20:01 <@Dagmar> All better now. 20:01 <@Dagmar> dochench: I have my crazy permit. :) 20:02 * dmcmorris_esi needs a permit to break into UGA and get violent with their DNS servers... 20:02 <@Dagmar> Hell, set up your own 20:02 <@Dagmar> They're not filtering DNS are they? 20:02 < dochench> they patched up on the poisoning attacks? ;) 20:02 <@Dagmar> It's not very hard to set up a BIND server 20:02 <@sdodson> filter udp 20:03 <@Dagmar> http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bind-template.html <--start heer 20:04 <@Dagmar> ...or http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bind-template-22.html 20:04 <@Dagmar> That second one was the one I was looking for because views are hnady 20:05 <@Dagmar> version.bind. CHAOS TXT "Goatse edition" 20:05 <@Dagmar> FTW 20:06 < dmcmorris_esi> nah... we administer several servers (~100) for a customer that's required to use their caching name servers... and they did an update recently that's supposedly causing all 4 to become pegged and time out our responses... 20:06 <@Dagmar> Ycuk 20:06 < dmcmorris_esi> I'm very much considering our own DNS, but the boss is something like "But there's so much administrative overhead in DNS admin"... Yeah, really? like... what? 20:06 <@Dagmar> Time to annoy the shit out of the maintainers of those with trouble ticket after trouble ticket. 20:07 < dochench> if you guys admin them, why did the customer do an update? 20:07 < dochench> man, changing that serial is hard work. :) 20:07 <@Dagmar> For caching DNS you pretty much set it up and leave it alone except for binary upgrades and security fixes. 20:07 < dmcmorris_esi> we admin a different customer of the same parent organization (GA Board of Regents) 20:07 < dmcmorris_esi> Dagmar: yeah, /I/ know... it's a lot /less/ administration than much of everything else... 20:08 <@Dagmar> Well, go to your boss and show him 20:08 <@Dagmar> It's worth a shot 20:08 * dmcmorris_esi is thinking about it... 20:08 <@Dagmar> 9's configs and how one goes about setting up views are actually pretty straightforward 20:08 <@nachoguy> Arg. Delivery driver Can't find my office building 20:09 < dmcmorris_esi> yeah, I know... I've done it a few times 20:09 <@nachoguy> It's a block from the fucking Sears Tower 20:09 < dmcmorris_esi> we're going to be rotating a number of servers Monday... I /might/ just take one of the surplus and make it a Bind server... "Hey! Look what I did in an hour! Well, since it's here, wanna use it?" 20:09 < dmcmorris_esi> (have had to do that /several/ times.... "well, since it's done, we might as well use it") 20:10 < dmcmorris_esi> heh 20:11 < dmcmorris_esi> in our office park, the signs for our building basically point into a service corridor... you go through it, then see a sign telling you to turn around... 20:11 < dmcmorris_esi> If we're expecting somebody, I usually have to go out and wave them down 20:14 * dmcmorris_esi sets the topic of #se2600 to "Come to #se2600 and listen to dmcmorris_esi bitch and moan!" ;) 20:17 < polerin> Dagmar: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/rage-against-the-machine-anato.html 20:17 < dochench> http://www.youtube.com/v/j50ZssEojtM&hl=en&fs=1 20:17 < dochench> heh 20:20 <@sdodson> polerin: too many words, what's it say? 20:20 < polerin> Anyway, you kind of get the feeling that if the bike cops and the horseback police and the paddy wagons and extra, added riot gear cops running through the crowd in formation yelling 'hut-hut-hut' had given it maybe another 15 minutes to disperse - seriously, 15k people can't clear an intersection in 10 minutes, guys - or the select handful of super-jumpy cops had been given the night off, it might not have escalated (if you can even cal 20:21 < polerin> basicly she describes how it the cops showing up actually caused a whole bunch of tension when people were just walking away 20:21 < polerin> and then made it difficult to go anywhere 20:24 <@Shadow404> meow 20:25 <@coil> wtf Shadow404 20:25 <@coil> are you on house arrest? 20:29 <@sdodson> Shadow404: don't be a retard explain yourself 20:30 <@coil> hes' never on irc not at work 20:32 < polerin> .Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.. 20:32 < polerin> bwahaha 20:34 <@Shadow404> coil: na, im on vacation 20:34 <@Shadow404> brimstone just started a rumor that everone fail for 20:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: I think we all agreed that you getting cornholed was an enjoyable prospect 20:39 <@brimstone> like a fellon! 20:49 <@sdodson> http://www.50micron.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/p9041020.jpg that sure seems like a lot of unused ports 20:50 < dmcmorris_esi> room for expansion 20:51 < dmcmorris_esi> lot of room 20:51 <@sdodson> Why not expand by adding another 48 port module as needed? 20:51 <@sdodson> It looks like there's about 1/3 of the ports actually in use. 20:51 <@sdodson> http://www.50micron.com/?p=271 the article that's from 20:51 <@brimstone> sdodson: we just got 2 of those :( 20:51 <@brimstone> suckers are f'n huge 20:52 <@sdodson> brimstone: two 48 port fc switches? 20:52 <@brimstone> i'm not sure if it has 24 or 48 fiber 20:52 <@brimstone> i know it's got 24 copper 20:52 <@brimstone> too much cisco in one spot i say 20:53 <@sdodson> my scan switches are cisco 20:53 <@sdodson> i need moar fastar stowage 20:56 <@sdodson> Seinfeld coming to town 21:11 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: like when does pre-reg end yo? 21:11 <@Corydon76-dig> October 1st, tenatively 21:15 * sdodson not sure if he's going this year 21:16 < polerin> wow, someone actually got a sign in and up 21:16 < polerin> waited till mccain started talking.... put it up. 21:17 < polerin> "McCain votes against vets" 21:17 < polerin> other side, "You can't win an occupation" 21:17 <@Shadow404> lawl 21:20 < dmcmorris_esi> holy crap, she's 96? 21:20 < polerin> heh 21:20 < dmcmorris_esi> she jumped up awefully quick.. 21:20 < polerin> someone gave her an extra dose of painkillers 21:20 < dmcmorris_esi> i'd tap that ;) 21:20 < polerin> you know.. because s.. oh you didn't just go there 21:21 * polerin headdesks 21:21 < dmcmorris_esi> not him... his wife :-D 21:21 < dmcmorris_esi> polerin: no, I didn't go there... 21:21 < dmcmorris_esi> ...not yet 21:21 < dmcmorris_esi> ;) 21:23 < dmcmorris_esi> wth? 21:23 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 21:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 21:23 < polerin> another protester 21:24 * dmcmorris_esi rolls eyes 21:24 < polerin> and we are just brown noise and static. 21:24 < polerin> apparently 21:24 < polerin> you know, a woman that you tossed to the ground 21:24 < dmcmorris_esi> we? you at the convention on a blackberry? ;) 21:24 < polerin> and another one 21:25 < polerin> we? no, I'm just wishing I were. 21:25 < polerin> and everyones sorta looking for another person to pop up 21:25 <@sdodson> proof that being a woman makes you crazy 21:25 < polerin> they are pretty damn brave to get in there 21:25 < polerin> lol 21:25 < dmcmorris_esi> who is the woman in the grey blazer and geeky glasses? oh, that's Palin? 21:25 < polerin> sdodson: no no no, I've been crazy for a long time 21:26 < polerin> sdodson: lissa had to stop me from taking the corperate american flag down to riverfront park for the fireworks one fourth of july. 21:27 <@sdodson> corperate american flag? 21:27 < polerin> http://www.wickedsunshine.com/WagePeace/Consumerism/Images/AmericanFlag-Adbusters-BigCorporateFlag.gif 21:27 < polerin> knew you were going to ask, was looking for a link 21:28 <@sdodson> Don't like coporations? 21:28 < polerin> not much. 21:28 <@sdodson> don't give them all your money then 21:28 < dmcmorris_esi> Part of me /really/ would like to see McCain in... another part of me would be quite surprised if he is... 21:28 < polerin> definatly don't like that they own our country too 21:28 < polerin> sdodson: I do the best I can. 21:29 < polerin> not exactly easy to avoid in our world 21:29 * dmcmorris_esi saw a Diebold truck today... felt like running it off the road... 21:29 <@Dagmar> ~minilink 21:29 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/wickedsunshine.com/nYegW.gif 21:29 <@sdodson> The middle east owns and asia more of our country than we do. 21:29 <@sdodson> The middle east and asia owns more of our country than the corporations do. 21:29 < polerin> sorry, the corperations just own our leaders :P 21:30 <@sdodson> that's what i meant to say 21:30 <@Dagmar> If you think you'll see it again, get some nice bumper stickers made 21:30 <@Dagmar> "THe best elections money can buy." 21:30 < polerin> you kidding me? I have the flag still 21:30 < polerin> Oh, the diebold truck 21:31 <@Dagmar> Yeeees 21:31 < dmcmorris_esi> Come to think of it, it was in immaculate condition... like they would junk it and buy a new one if a fly took a crap on it... 21:32 <@Dagmar> Vandalism of that sort == $50 fine, mac 21:32 * dmcmorris_esi pulls out a spare $50 21:32 <@Dagmar> You can get 'em made so they're like those "I PARK LIKE AN IDIOT" stickers. Easily, easily removeable. 21:32 < dmcmorris_esi> magnets? 21:33 <@sdodson> Do those fit on scooters? 21:33 <@Dagmar> No, they've got about as much adhesive as the average post-it note 21:33 <@Dagmar> ....specifically so they can be removed without issue 21:34 <@sdodson> It could be done without adhesive at all with static cling 21:34 * dmcmorris_esi recalls a story my father used to tell about the chief justice of his (small) hometown... Fined a guy $50 for assaulting his neighbor. Guy paid him a hundred. Judge said he didn't have change. Guy said "keep it! I'm going to go beat the sonofabitch again!" 21:34 < dmcmorris_esi> You know what I /really/ want to know.. what that adhesive is called... 21:34 <@Dagmar> Whee! 21:34 <@Dagmar> "3M Secret Sauce #21" 21:34 <@Dagmar> There's a reason you don't often see knock-off postits 21:35 < dmcmorris_esi> but the USPS address change labels use it... 21:35 <@sdodson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_sensitive_adhesive 21:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah, it's easy to licence, although I imagine they just have 3M or Scotch print them 21:35 < dmcmorris_esi> If I could find some ~2x4" label rolls for some label printers (like the Dymo), I could really revolutionize one of the major problems in the industry we serve 21:36 < dmcmorris_esi> sdodson: I thought (most) pressure-sensitive adhesive(s) were permanent 21:36 < dmcmorris_esi> ... 21:36 < polerin> dag 21:36 <@sdodson> The stuff is made from tree sap 21:36 < polerin> you're recording this right? 21:36 <@Dagmar> whoa 21:36 <@Dagmar> recording what? 21:36 < polerin> I hope CNN is going off the same feeds that PBS is 21:36 < polerin> the mccain speech 21:36 <@Dagmar> WHat just happened? 21:36 <@Dagmar> I can kick the myth box from here 21:36 < polerin> lol 21:37 < polerin> too late 21:37 <@Dagmar> Fuck 21:37 * dmcmorris_esi missed it too... 21:37 < polerin> I wanted a screencap 21:37 < polerin> like 4 signs.. 21:37 < dmcmorris_esi> I missed fuck? shit! 21:37 -!- scort [i=coil@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 21:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o scort] by ChanServ 21:37 < polerin> one misspelled, and one upside down 21:37 <@Dagmar> hehe 21:37 < dmcmorris_esi> heh 21:37 < polerin> oh bullshit 21:38 < polerin> upholding the constitution in a way that you don't agree with doesn't mean you are legislating from the bench 21:38 < polerin> grrrrrrrrrr 21:38 <@Dagmar> I shouldda just had the myth box record all the things 21:39 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 21:39 <@ShadowHntr> yeah i'm getting tired of that phrase 21:39 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 21:39 <@Dagmar> So, here's the problem 21:39 <@sdodson> "A 1998 workplace study of more than 1,000 U.S. workers, conducted by the Gallup Organization and the Institute for the Future, showed that the average professional receives eleven Post-it® Note messages each day." 21:39 <@Dagmar> Most of the shit they're carping about is the stuff THEIR OWN PARTY did 21:39 <@sdodson> And then people discovered the computer in 1999. 21:39 < polerin> yeah 21:40 < dmcmorris_esi> now the average professional now receives an average of eleven spams an hour? 21:40 <@Dagmar> I wis 21:40 <@Dagmar> h 21:40 < polerin> btw 21:40 < dmcmorris_esi> you're not average? 21:40 <@Dagmar> I get twice that and then some 21:40 <@dc0de> I don't get 11 a day. 21:41 < dmcmorris_esi> dc0de: do you have any filtering? or just careful/smart/lucky? 21:41 <@Dagmar> Counting what lands in the circular file 21:41 <@dc0de> dmcmorris_esi: filtering. 21:41 <@sdodson> I get like one spam a month. 21:41 <@Dagmar> If I exclude the spam filters, I get 1 a week maybe 21:41 <@dc0de> I see about 1 per week. 21:41 <@Dagmar> gmail's filtering pwns 21:42 < dmcmorris_esi> We probably get a half dozen or so a week (some of them in duplicate/triplicate)... the only "filtering" is spamhaus rbl's 21:42 <@brimstone> having a .ws seems to mess up a lot of spammers 21:42 <@Dagmar> heh 21:42 < dmcmorris_esi> brimstone: what about customers/potentials? 21:42 < dmcmorris_esi> duplicates/triplicates because of some of our "generic" inboxes (sales, info, support...) 21:42 <@brimstone> eh, this is a personal account 21:42 < dmcmorris_esi> ah 21:43 <@brimstone> we use postini at work 21:43 <@MudFlap_> happy w/ postini? 21:43 <@brimstone> google bought postini 21:43 <@Dagmar> lol 21:43 <@brimstone> it's something like $7 an account a month 21:43 <@brimstone> pretty good spam support too 21:43 <@brimstone> i don't get any at work 21:43 < dmcmorris_esi> We're looking at a SonicWall spam filter IIRC... Don't want a hosted solution, yet also don't want to deal with it... 21:44 <@dc0de> dmcmorris_esi: we don't have a problem with potential customers getting blocked. 21:44 < dmcmorris_esi> dc0de: I was referring to the .ws tld potentially confusing customers/potentials. but cool ;) 21:44 < dmcmorris_esi> the most ambitious what? 21:44 < dmcmorris_esi> pro(space)ject? 21:44 <@Dagmar> Proofpoint works pretty well under "average" load conditions 21:45 < dmcmorris_esi> Our e-mail load isn't great... it's just a "control" thing... 21:45 <@Dagmar> Proofpoint basically ships you a 1U 21:46 <@dc0de> we've never had an issue with proofpoint, under heavy load. 21:46 <@Dagmar> WOw we have 21:47 < polerin> quick question. Anyone else watching McCain who watched obama? 21:47 <@Dagmar> They love to do shit that makes filterd fall over 21:47 < polerin> It just doesn't ... the speech isn't inspiring at ALL. 21:47 <@Dagmar> 'cuz he's gonna keep the terrorist off our lawn 21:47 < polerin> And I'm trying to put aside my personal beliefs. It just sounds flat, and ...bleh 21:48 < polerin> back in a min 21:49 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 21:49 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 21:49 -!- TieFighter [n=TieFight@c-98-193-140-53.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o TieFighter] by ChanServ 21:52 < polerin> hahah 21:52 -!- MudFlap_ [n=chatzill@c-98-193-131-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 21:53 < polerin> mcCain just said that the information technology revolution meens we need to redefine how we structure parts of our economy 21:53 < polerin> ... DUH 21:53 < polerin> not that you'd know why. You don't even know how to use a computer. 21:59 <@Dagmar> lol 21:59 <@Dagmar> Indymedia deleted my comment where I called htem out for accusing those two guys of being cops 21:59 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:00 <@Dagmar> I guess they're only against censorship if it's not in their best int4erestsd 22:00 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 22:01 <@Dagmar> ;Chimps 22:03 -!- TieFighter [n=TieFight@c-98-193-140-53.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:06 < dmcmorris_esi> Has Palin spoke yet? will she? 22:06 <@timoguin> She'll just be pretty. 22:07 < dmcmorris_esi> I'm very curious about her... Most of my instincts are pretty good (and are usually right on), but would like to actually "hear" 22:08 < dmcmorris_esi> seeing her act during this celebration, though, is reducing my opinion slightly... 22:10 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 22:10 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 22:10 < polerin> she spoke previously 22:10 < polerin> last night 22:10 < polerin> her speech was basicly a 45 minute long attack 22:11 < polerin> dmcmorris_esi: what do you know of her? 22:12 < dmcmorris_esi> polerin: I know very little... my visual-based instincts are usually quite accurate, though... 22:12 < dmcmorris_esi> just ask my co-workers ;) (we did a tradeshow some months ago... they were /very/ surprised) 22:14 < polerin> http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-is-woman-so-are-ann-coulter.html 22:14 < polerin> give that a read through 22:14 < polerin> (it's a queer feminist blog, so .. well. yeah You can guess their take on her :P ) 22:15 <@Dagmar> polerin: So... 22:15 < dmcmorris_esi> strong, good... unwavering opinon, not so much... 22:15 <@Dagmar> I have posted *again* on the "we've outed some pigs" thread over at twincities.indymedia.org 22:16 < polerin> heh 22:16 <@Dagmar> If they delete it again, I will be demonstrating to them how weak their captcha-fu is. 22:16 <@Dagmar> http://twincities.indymedia.org/2008/sep/interview-undercover-infiltrators-march-our-lives-st-paul#comment-1264 22:17 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 22:17 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 22:18 < polerin> I watched the video previoiusly 22:18 < polerin> to be honest, they stuck out like sore thumbs :P 22:18 < polerin> and their reactions are way way way off 22:18 * dc0de passes a vodka and soda to poiupoiu 22:18 * dc0de passes a vodka and soda to polerin too 22:19 < polerin> mmph sorry I'm drinking a newcastle 22:19 <@Dagmar> If someone had come up to you and asked you that wack question about "the revolution" and what you'd do for it at an event where the cops are just ITCHING for an excuse to arrest people, what would you have said? 22:19 <@dc0de> polerin: sorry, I can't do beer anymore... 22:19 < polerin> at a protest? 22:19 < polerin> lol, it's happened to me :D 22:19 <@Dagmar> I've been called a fed more times than I can remmeber 22:19 <@Dagmar> There's generally nothing short of kicking someone in the balls that's going to dissuade them once they've gotten that idea 22:19 < polerin> you should have seen lissas face when she got corralled by a communist 22:20 < polerin> trying to sell her a newsletter 22:20 < polerin> I was like .. "uh bye" and walked off 22:20 <@Dagmar> "Real communists can come up with enough scratch to give 'em away." ;) 22:20 < polerin> beyond that, you don't keep your head down and try not to g et noticed while talking 22:20 < polerin> he was shrinking down into his shirt 22:20 <@dc0de> I'd like to see lissa and a hari-chrishna 22:20 <@Dagmar> If I were a cop, I would ahve been too 22:20 < polerin> well, yeah, duh :) 22:21 <@Dagmar> 'cuz here's J. Random Hippie apparently ready to have his friends jump me 22:21 < polerin> nah, they weren't about to jump him, they were just pointing him out 22:21 <@Dagmar> ...or better yet, how many people come to Phreaknic, and regardless of how low-risk we are, avoid the shit out of cameras because of possible repercussions at work? 22:22 < polerin> and they give reason for it, not just "Uh.. I'm here for the poor people, cuz uh.. i've got health insurance." 22:23 <@Dagmar> Next Phreaknic, grill some of the people dodging cameras about why their doing it 22:23 < polerin> (which is true enough mind you, but phrased like he was handed a card and was just thinking to himself "Crap crap crap what did that thing say?" 22:23 <@Dagmar> THey're seldom all that coherent 22:23 < polerin> heh 22:23 <@dc0de> night all 22:23 < polerin> mostly because they are drunk 22:23 < polerin> night dc0de :) 22:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o polerin] by ChanServ 22:24 <@sdodson> s/their/they're/ 22:25 <@Dagmar> oooo 22:25 <@Dagmar> Hard judgement call to make 22:25 <@Dagmar> Nanochick posted about an Alzheimer's ribbon 22:26 <@Dagmar> I wanna respond with "It would be cooler if it said "Alzheimer's um... what was the question?" on the right hand decender. 22:26 <@polerin> ... 22:26 <@polerin> doooood 22:26 <@polerin> that's not... 22:26 <@Dagmar> Exactly 22:34 * dmcmorris_esi wonders how the apartment complex determined that their portion of the water bill is $9,000 22:35 <@scort> uhm 22:35 <@scort> you left a sink running? 22:35 < dmcmorris_esi> 40% of the total water bill... 22:36 < dmcmorris_esi> no... they split the total complex water bill up based on apartment size and estimated residency 22:36 <@scort> faucet 22:36 <@Dagmar> Hey at least they didn't leave a hose running for *days* nonstop and then stick you with the bill like The Park did us 22:36 <@scort> that's what you get 22:36 <@Dagmar> This when the regulations state they will *not* tap into the building water for landscaping purposes (which is exactly what they did) 22:37 < dmcmorris_esi> so, for the whole complex, the total bill is $23,000. They apparently pay 40% and split the rest up among residents... 22:37 < dmcmorris_esi> not complaining... but that 40% allocation to them seems kind-of obsurdly high 22:38 <@sdodson> I suspsect terrorism at play. 22:38 < dmcmorris_esi> (they have, like, 250 apartments in the complex) 22:38 < dmcmorris_esi> I suspect bad math 22:39 < dmcmorris_esi> probably found "hey, this apartment complex of 20 residents says they use 40% of the water and that the residents use 60%" 22:40 < dmcmorris_esi> not complaining... I mean, it means my water bill is only 60% of what it potentially could be... but, wow... 22:41 * dmcmorris_esi looks for the 0.6 resident that lives with me (One bedroom=1.6 resident estimate, two bedroom=2.8, three bedroom=4) 22:50 <@polerin> dmcmorris_esi: did you give that read through? 23:00 <@timoguin> Leftover tomato basil bisque. mmm. 23:08 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 23:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 23:17 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["End of line."] 23:18 <@Catonic> dc0de: why are you drinking vodka? 23:23 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:24 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 23:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 23:26 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:34 <@timoguin> hmm... 23:34 <@timoguin> I have an assignment for database class to answer the questions at the end of the chapter and submit them all online into a textarea box. 23:35 <@timoguin> oh wait, there's an add attachments button. 23:35 <@timoguin> I'm still leaving the answer to number 24 "Do you really want me to create a chart in a text editor?" 23:38 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 23:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 23:54 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-69-180-225-98.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:55 <@timoguin> Anyone know of a good study done on the market share of database software? 23:55 <@timoguin> The one in this textbook is from 2004 and says "Other" databases have 16.7% of the market share. 23:55 <@scort> anyone know when to stop asking questions when no one responds? 23:56 <@timoguin> Other includes sybase, ncr terradata, progress, mysql, postgre, etc. --- Log closed Fri Sep 05 00:00:06 2008