--- Log opened Tue Sep 02 00:00:06 2008 00:02 <@Mirage> heh..anyone ever actually read the iTunes install EULA? 00:02 <@Mirage> "THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS NOT INTENDED FOR USE IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEMS, LIFE SUPPORT MACHINES OR OTHER EQUIPMENT IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE COULD LEAD TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY, OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. " 00:03 <@Mirage> Personally, I think that's funny. 00:03 <+scort> yeah i've seen it 00:05 * someninjamaster would like to see the windows one 00:10 -!- Falun [i=Falun@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:25 <@Catonic> lol 00:26 <@Catonic> Mirage: sup 00:26 <@Mirage> me still...what i get for sleeping til noon 00:27 <+scort> Catonic, wheres that email addy at 00:28 <@Mirage> Finally decided to jump on the bandwagon and get an ipod. 00:28 <@Mirage> http://www.buy.com/prod/apple-ipod-classic-80gb-silver-digital-music-photo-video-player/q/loc/111/209059840.html 00:28 <@Mirage> ~minilink 00:28 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/buy.com/jwdod.html 00:31 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:33 <@Mirage> this shit is getting annoying: "Sep 2 00:29:37 ra kernel: bge1: watchdog timeout -- resetting 00:33 <@Mirage> Sep 2 00:29:37 ra kernel: bge1: link state changed to DOWN 00:33 <@Mirage> Sep 2 00:29:39 ra kernel: bge1: link state changed to UP 00:33 <+scort> google it 00:34 <+scort> ~google for watchdog time out 00:34 <+MxZBot> Google says watchdog time out is at http://geek00l.blogspot.com/2007/03/network-interface-watchdog-timeout.html or http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-08/msg00003.html or http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/122/crashes_watchdog_timeout.shtml 00:35 <@Mirage> Maybe once i get dns working again..everytime it decides to do this it hoses dns, nfs, samba, etc on the internal network 00:36 <@Mirage> I guess that's what I get for going with a newish "business class" dual head gigabit adapter 00:41 <+scort> -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- 00:41 <+scort> MIIDojCCAoqgAwIBAgIQE4Y1TR0/BvLB+WUF1ZAcYjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADBrMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzENMAsGA1UEChMEVklTQTEvMC0GA1UECxMmVmlzYSBJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIFNlcnZpY2UgQXNzb2NpYXRpb24xHDAaBgNVBAMT 00:41 <+scort> E1Zpc2EgZUNvbW1lcmNlIFJvb3QwHhcNMDIwNjI2MDIxODM2WhcNMjIwNjI0MDAxNjEyWjBrMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzENMAsGA1UEChMEVklTQTEvMC0GA1UECxMmVmlzYSBJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIFNlcnZpY2UgQXNzb2NpYXRpb24xHDAa 00:44 <@Catonic> scort: I sent it, I don't see a bounce 00:46 <@Catonic> I really have got to learn to pay more attention. Rugburn is NOT fun. 00:47 <+scort> hmm 00:49 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags +oO on Dagmar. 00:50 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags +oO on coil. 00:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Both of you, be nice 00:55 * scort loads up the take over scripts 00:56 -!- Mirage [n=mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:26 <+scort> i haven't gotten the email 01:26 <+scort> can you try again? 01:27 <+scort> or someone email plz 01:28 <@Catonic> status=deferred (connect to mail.scoil.info[67.11.174.209]:25: Connection refused) 01:29 <+scort> :992 01:29 <+scort> since rr filters 25 01:29 <@Catonic> are you fucking kidding me? 01:29 <+scort> ? 01:31 <@Catonic> baleeted 01:31 <@Catonic> here's the thing... you're trying to run a mail server on a network that has blocked port 25. 01:32 <+scort> it was working 01:32 <@Catonic> telnets 992/tcp # telnet protocol over TLS/SSL 01:32 <+scort> cuz i could use their smtp as a relay 01:32 <@Catonic> 587 is what you want, submission. 01:32 <+scort> but now its not logging anymore 01:32 <+scort> i can send local mail 01:33 <@Catonic> Dagmar: will you please just beat the stupid out of people for me? Or do I have to do it myself? 01:34 <+scort> i used my isp's smtp server as a relay and it was working 01:37 <@Catonic> zomg 01:37 <@Catonic> that's priceless.. 01:37 <@Catonic> NO WAIT 01:37 <@Catonic> I have one better... 01:38 <@Catonic> set the DNS views so that whenever rr's dns/mail does a lookup, it forwards to you. 01:38 <@Catonic> and for the rest of the world, it forwards to them. 01:38 <@Catonic> that doesn't work. :( 01:38 <@Catonic> not in the server config 01:39 <+scort> Sep 2 01:34:06 phenom postfix/smtp[18668]: B899E18AC005: to=, relay=smtp-server.satx.rr.com[75.180.132.33]:25, delay=2.1, delays=0.02/0.02/0.19/1.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Message received: 20080902063405.ROQZ13299.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@phenom.scoil.info) 01:39 <+scort> Sep 2 01:34:06 phenom postfix/qmgr[16263]: B899E18AC005: removed 01:39 <+scort> that's what it was doin 01:39 <+scort> and it was workin 01:39 <@Catonic> zomg, u dropped dox 01:39 <+scort> i dont care 01:39 <+scort> plz dont hax me 01:40 <@Catonic> at least set it up for submission 01:40 <+scort> ? 01:40 <+scort> i fucked something up 01:41 <+scort> i dun wanna reboot 01:43 <+scort> can i have your email Catonic ? 02:19 -!- Mirage [n=mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 02:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 02:45 <@Catonic> no 02:45 <@Catonic> catonic@catonic.us would never get to me. 02:45 <@Catonic> and now it's on a webpage. shte. 02:50 <+scort> :(((((((( 02:50 <+scort> but you got something? 04:16 <@Catonic> nottadmn 04:16 <@Catonic> no. 04:16 <@Catonic> i haz an email from u 04:32 <+scort> yayyayayaya 04:32 <+scort> i haxed 04:32 <+scort> my servers 04:34 <+scort> see Catonic i told you it worked i just fucked up something 04:34 <+scort> i guess what it was when i changed the smtp port 05:04 -!- TheLightcosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-899cd8ccaf25552c] has joined #se2600 05:31 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:47 -!- timoguin [n=timd@cpe-098-026-113-031.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 05:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o timoguin] by ChanServ 05:47 <@timoguin> anyone know a site with an api like twitter or last.fm where i can post updates about movies i see? 05:48 <@timoguin> i want to have a snippet on my site like, "Last movie seen: movietitle 2 hrs ago" 05:48 <@timoguin> etc. 06:09 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@cpe-071-070-193-020.nc.res.rr.com] has left #se2600 [] 06:45 < TheLightcosine> mmm up to my elbows in the office communicator API lol 07:11 * oddball doesn't want to work today. Would rather continue recovering from con. 07:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:23 < TheLightcosine> morning dole 07:24 < TheLightcosine> why is the msdn's documentation so freaking bad 07:25 -!- MudFlap [n=MudFlap@66.64.202.66.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [] 07:40 < TheLightcosine> arrrrg! 07:40 < TheLightcosine> i followed the api exactly, what is this "value out of expected range" bullshit 07:43 <@Dolemite> smells like ASP.NET! 07:43 < TheLightcosine> vb.net actually 07:44 < TheLightcosine> working with the MS Office Communicator API 07:45 <@Dolemite> practically the same thing, given that ASP.NET VB as the language 07:45 < TheLightcosine> i can create a contact, i can create a group, but i can't for the life of me add the contact to the group 07:47 < TheLightcosine> it specifies IMessengergroup.AddContact(vContact as Object) so i have "group1.addcontact(Contact1)" and it gives me "value is out of the expected range" i check the value for cotnact1 during debug and it is a perfectly legitimate contact 07:48 < TheLightcosine> it dun help that the msdn's documentation is all for bloody C# 07:49 -!- squirrelt3rd [n=non3@c-76-22-147-71.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o squirrelt3rd] by ChanServ 07:52 * TheLightcosine bangs his head on his desk 08:06 <@polerin> arg 08:06 <@Dolemite> argc or argv? 08:06 <@polerin> argv 08:06 <@polerin> We don't have a full count of argc yet 08:07 <@polerin> I love it, pepper spray a woman just standing in front of you holding a flower 08:07 <@polerin> and it's the protesters that are violent? 08:08 <@polerin> and they are arresting journalists that dare cover the protests from down in the protests instead of just accepting the bullshit about "violent protestors from the cops" 08:08 <@polerin> err 08:09 <@polerin> s/protestors from the cops"/protestors" from the cops 08:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Arresting journalists is a sure way to make sure that your press releases are ignored 08:13 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: are you kidding me? 08:13 <@polerin> they've been arresting journalists for years. 08:13 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: per-event 08:14 <@polerin> I know that, and it doesn't make a difference 08:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Which journalists are they arresting? 08:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Anybody from CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS? 08:15 <@brimstone> ...fox?... 08:15 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: like Fox would cover protestors 08:15 <@brimstone> yeah, i just don't like the entire fox channel now 08:15 <@brimstone> their news, their shows, none of it 08:17 <@polerin> protesters site:cnn.com 08:17 <@polerin> Amy goodman of democracy now for one 08:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Who? 08:17 <@brimstone> this in tailand? 08:17 <@polerin> http://brownfemipower.com/ some good links 08:18 <@polerin> brimstone: **snerk** 08:18 <@polerin> that's awesome. No. 08:18 <@brimstone> ok, so it's for RNC? 08:18 <@polerin> this is in Minn/St.Paul 08:18 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: is she actually a journalist or a left wing freak who calls herself a journalist to try to get some respect? 08:18 <@polerin> yeah 08:18 <@polerin> wow 08:18 <@polerin> "left wing freak" 08:18 <@polerin> nice. 08:18 <@brimstone> amy goodman looks like my high school math teacher 08:19 < I-MOD> hornby? 08:19 <@brimstone> yeah 08:19 <@polerin> no, she had clearence and was on the convention floor interviewing delegates. go watch the videos 08:19 -!- TheLightcosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-899cd8ccaf25552c] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 08:22 <@polerin> dpm 08:23 <@polerin> don't buy into the crap that gets spread, not everyone is violent, in fact most protestors are pretty non-violent 08:23 <@polerin> even the ones that participate in civil resistance 08:23 <@polerin> err 08:23 <@polerin> civil dissobediance style resistance. sorry, no coffee yet 08:24 * brimstone resists dissobediance civil style 08:24 * brimstone also rides his bike with no handlebars 08:25 <@polerin> unicycles are win aren't they 08:25 <@brimstone> i need to get a unicycle 08:27 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: also, if the corperate media won't dare send cameras out, or doesn't find the footage interesting enough vs the story of the Veep canidate's daughter knocking uglies with some kid.... what is wrong with other people documenting what's going on? 08:28 <@Corydon76-dig> When did I say there was something wrong with documenting abuses? 08:29 <@polerin> you sort of imply it with your characterization of indymedia and other groups as left wing freaks. They are reporting what nobody else will. 08:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, but not all is roses with some of those groups 08:30 <@Corydon76-dig> With firsthand reporting and videos, it speaks for itself, usually 08:30 <@polerin> what does? 08:31 <@polerin> the video? 08:31 <@Corydon76-dig> The reporting 08:31 <@polerin> what do you meen? 08:32 <@Corydon76-dig> but some of the groups that call themselves "journalists" use single sources for stories, which leads to clear abuses on the other side of the issue 08:32 <@polerin> so you tar anyone who is not corperate press and out there as a left wing freak. 08:32 <@Corydon76-dig> To put it another way, even the National Enquirer sometimes gets stories correct. 08:33 <@polerin> And speaking of the corperate press.. how about CNN's awesome coverage 08:33 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: their journalistic methods are suspect 08:33 <@Dolemite> Even a broken clock is right twice a day! 08:33 <@polerin> with the only story on the front page being the St. Paul police cheif saying that the street security is "on ballance a success" 08:34 <@polerin> and that's it. 08:34 <@polerin> no real coverage or questioning about mass arrests, or journalists and legal observers being arrested 08:35 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm hearing some coverage of it by mainstream outlets 08:35 <@polerin> no real coverage of pre-convention raids 08:35 <@Corydon76-dig> But it's all preliminary right now, being "unconfirmed reports" 08:35 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:35 <@polerin> you want to know why? 08:36 <@polerin> because the police are doing the best they can to confiscate all video cameras 08:36 <@polerin> and photos 08:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Because the story hasn't been verified by 2 sources 08:37 <@Corydon76-dig> That sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. "The reason we don't have proof is because our conspiracy theory neatly covers that." 08:37 <@polerin> this type of thing has been documented across actions 08:38 <@Corydon76-dig> by a single source which hasn't been shown to be resistant to the lure of propaganda 08:39 <@polerin> http://www.twincities.com/ci_10353095?source=most_viewed 08:39 <@polerin> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Thugs-with-Badges-Crackdo-by-Mark-Crispin-Mille-080901-795.html 08:40 <@polerin> reports" 08:40 <@polerin> crap 08:40 <@polerin> http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_10326138 08:40 <@polerin> that's just a few. 08:41 <@Corydon76-dig> You're calling a site called "Op Ed News" a source? 08:42 <@polerin> no, but if you look inside of the link, instead of snarking about it at me, you'll notice that they cite a couple different people 08:42 <@polerin> but you know what? Your right. this is just the radical activists trying to create a meme about their cameras being taken away, and it's starting to take hold because it's been repeated over and over 08:42 <@Corydon76-dig> "We're generally artists, but for this particular project, we're journalists" 08:43 <@polerin> which is why completely different groups report the same thing 08:43 <@Dolemite> So how 'bout that UT/UCLA game last night? What a nailbiter in overtime! 08:44 <@Dolemite> It's time for Phil Fulmer to have his job on the line. He's been scraping by with mediocre squads for too long. 08:44 <@polerin> and I'm genrally a web developer, but when I remove myself from the protest and just try to document what I see by talking with different people that were there and involved, what is different between a corperate reporter and now? 08:44 <@polerin> err 08:44 <@polerin> and me 08:44 <@polerin> a paycheck? So what. I understand that you need to source and try to talk to different groups that likely have opposing views to make sure you're not being taken for a ride. 08:45 <@polerin> I've actually MET some of the indymedia people, and I respect them immensely, because they do concentrate on not just being a propaganda mouthpeice. 08:45 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you're also taking the word of people secondhand and thirdhand 08:45 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: you meen right this second? 08:46 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I mean that you're not there 08:46 <@polerin> right this second I'm reading news, not writing it. 08:46 <@polerin> or more accurately, helping others videotape interviews 08:46 <@polerin> (which is what I have done in the past) 08:46 <@Dolemite> Wow. NewEgg has a steal of a deal today. AMD Phenom X4 9950 quad core processor + 500GB Western Digital SATA drive for $215 combined 08:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: nice 08:47 <@Dolemite> yeah, quite tempting 08:48 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: so sorry, I'll leave you to your happy commercial shell ;P 08:49 -!- Drag0n`` [n=Drag0n@net20.quickoffice.com] has joined #se2600 08:49 <@polerin> morning Drag0n`` 08:50 -!- Pr0nStrGeek_Work [n=bleh@66.199.31.1] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:50 -!- Pr0nStrGeek_Work [n=bleh@66.199.31.1] has joined #se2600 08:52 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Responsible journalism is the way I'd put it 08:53 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: You obviously believe that people are unable to hold political views and act responsibly and honestly at the same time, so ... the discussion isn't really interesting any more. 08:54 <@polerin> and I was referring more to the Newegg thing. 08:56 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: No, I believe that people whose primary job function is advocacy are not reliable sources for journalism stories without independent confirmation 08:56 <@polerin> and indymedia is just an advocacy outfit. same as all those others. ok. 08:57 <@polerin> and the main stream press is doing such a good job of finding sources too yahknow? 08:57 <@Corydon76-dig> You're putting words in my mouth 08:57 <@Corydon76-dig> I never said indymedia is just an advocacy outfit 08:57 <@polerin> sorry, is primarily an advocacy outfit 08:58 <@Corydon76-dig> But they do have trouble with the journalistic method of confirming stories before reporting them 08:58 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: for that matter, so does FOX 08:59 <@polerin> and how much of the crap that you hear on cnn/msnbc/etc is from unconfirmed sources 08:59 <@polerin> rumor paraded around as news. 09:00 <@polerin> I'd be less concerned about how indy is viewed if the mainstream press actually cared to .. youknow... go out and LOOK for a story in it? 09:00 <@rhia> and more oped filler between that gets quoted, and requoted, and shortened, and requoted again as news 09:00 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Note that I did not include Fox in the section where I asked if responsible journalists were arrested 09:00 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: i mentioned fox 09:01 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: oh, sorry 09:01 <@rhia> just sat down, coffee is brewing, will refrain from further comments until suitable amounts of said beverage are imbibed ;) 09:01 <@polerin> No, actually you didn't call them "responsible journalists", you asked if she was "a journalist or a left wing freak who calls herself a journalist to try and get herself some more respect?" 09:01 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.46] has joined #se2600 09:01 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: when CNN does that, however, they include the term "unconfirmed reports" 09:01 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: as does indy. 09:02 <@Corydon76-dig> In any case, I have to work, now, so while I'd love to continue the discussion, my employer would prefer if I concentrate elsewhere 09:03 < Curbob> PhreakWars http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v314/160/11/71109831/n71109831_31655154_3997.jpg 09:03 * polerin shrugs 09:03 <@polerin> caffine. caffine is my friend 09:04 -!- Drag0n` [n=Drag0n@net20.quickoffice.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:04 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 09:06 <@polerin> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/rnc.security/index.html (yeah, great sourcing **RIGHT THERE**) 09:06 <@polerin> feh 09:06 * polerin drops it 09:06 <@wizardpc> w00t! Sarah Connor Chronicles got renewed 09:07 <@polerin> wizardpc: yeah starts on the.. 8th? 09:07 <@wontonjoe> morning 09:07 <@wizardpc> yep next monday 09:07 <@wizardpc> and "Life" got renewed too 09:07 <@polerin> moonlight didn't though 09:07 <@polerin> sorta sad. 09:07 <@polerin> enjoyed that one. 09:08 <@wizardpc> I wasnt really into that. Didnt like the concept when they did it in the 90's either 09:08 <@rhia> but Chuck's back 09:09 <@rhia> shop at Buy More! 09:09 * someninjamaster yawns 09:10 <@someninjamaster> whens the unit come back on 09:10 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:10 <@Mirage> top 09:10 <@Mirage> oops 09:10 <@rhia> Mirage: yeah, that could be taken as a sexual innuendo in here ;) 09:11 < I-MOD> Curbob, nice pic 09:11 <@wizardpc> ooo when's chuck start again? 09:12 <@wizardpc> The unit comes back in 2009 :( 09:12 < I-MOD> heroes should be soon 09:13 <@Mirage> rhia: no shit..though you missed out on someone's 'rugburn' comment last night 09:14 < I-MOD> heh...i totally freaked telcobob at con, said "what's up bob" as we passed in the crowd and caught him totally off guard 09:18 -!- Cynefrid_ [n=piss@66.190.143.199] has joined #se2600 09:20 -!- Cynefrid [n=piss@66.190.143.199] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:21 <@polerin> Mirage: heh. 09:24 -!- TheLightCosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ace8fc61a77a561c] has joined #se2600 09:27 -!- Drag0n``` [n=Drag0n@net20.quickoffice.com] has joined #se2600 09:27 * TheLightCosine bangs ehad repeatedly on desk 09:28 < TheLightCosine> I hate m$ soooooo much 09:28 -!- Cynefrid [n=piss@66.190.143.199] has joined #se2600 09:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Cynefrid] by ChanServ 09:30 <@brimstone> join the club 09:30 <@brimstone> we meet the first friday of every month 09:31 < TheLightCosine> i know 09:31 < TheLightCosine> i'll be there 09:31 < TheLightCosine> heh 09:31 < TheLightCosine> i know i'm not the greatest coder, but i'm following this api exactly 09:31 < TheLightCosine> this is ludicrous 09:32 <@brimstone> mumble mumble sparta mumble mumble 09:33 < TheLightCosine> sparta? 09:33 < I-MOD> as in, this is 09:34 < TheLightCosine> the worst part is this is a pretty obscure api, so i can't find any decent idnependent documentation on it 09:34 < TheLightCosine> just the msdn 09:35 <@nachoguy> ahoy 09:35 < I-MOD> yarr 09:39 -!- Drag0n`` [n=Drag0n@net20.quickoffice.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:41 <@nachoguy> how's everything going? 09:41 <@nachoguy> everyone have a good weekend? 09:41 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 09:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 09:41 < TheLightCosine> the stack trace is even totally unhelpful 09:46 <@nachoguy> "And thanks to my frankly brilliant allocation of points to animal husbandry, I possess a robust and intimate knowledge of monster gentials" -- 8 bit theater 09:46 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has joined #se2600 09:46 <@wizardpc> Oh Dammit. One of the developers that I was working with got into a motorcycle accident over the weekend 09:46 <@wizardpc> He's alive, but he's gonna need a new knee 09:46 < TheLightCosine> ouch 09:46 < I-MOD> damn 09:47 < I-MOD> that sucks 09:47 <@wizardpc> one of his buddies he was riding with didnt make it 09:47 <@Dolemite> crotch rockets? 09:48 <@wizardpc> harleys 09:48 <@Dolemite> Ah, that's less common. 09:48 < I-MOD> someone hit them? 09:49 <@wizardpc> don't know too many details 09:50 <@wizardpc> He's in his 50's, only had the bike for 4 months. Used to ride 20 years ago when he was in the navy 09:50 <@wizardpc> ...as a submariner 09:50 <@wizardpc> he was the guy that kept the reactor going 09:51 <@polerin> that sucks :/ 09:52 -!- Cynefrid_ [n=piss@66.190.143.199] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:53 <@nachoguy> I kinda want to make bad Namor jokes, but I won't 09:54 <@nachoguy> so anyone confirm that Shadow is in the pen, or was that just something funny to tell me when I'm half conscious? 09:58 <@Dolemite> dunno if there was any truth to that or not 09:58 <@wizardpc> anyone know his real name? 09:58 <@Dolemite> yeah, some people here do 09:58 <@nachoguy> certainly 09:58 <@nachoguy> anyone who whoises him 09:59 <@Dolemite> But even when he's on vacation he's constantly getting on IRC 09:59 <@Dolemite> so most likely he's either in jail, or scotchick finally buried him under the house 10:00 <@wizardpc> oh *that* shadow 10:00 <@wizardpc> I thought it was the one up here 10:00 <@wizardpc> that used to work at davita 10:03 <@Dolemite> no, not shadowhunter 10:03 <@Dolemite> and I think you're using the term 'work' a bit too liberally 10:04 <@Dolemite> Last time I checked, picking your nose and sleeping in the breakroom didn't constitute work 10:05 <@wizardpc> yes well there's that 10:06 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@152.52.16.3] has joined #se2600 10:07 < M0j0-j0j0> anyone know a good general practice lawyer in Raleigh? 10:08 <@Dolemite> uh... 10:08 < M0j0-j0j0> google is not the answer 10:09 < M0j0-j0j0> and good is a qualified term not a character flaw 10:09 < M0j0-j0j0> I mean trait 10:11 <@nachoguy> if there's a carolina-con email list or forum, that's where I'd ask 10:14 < Curbob> forum.nc2600.org 10:17 <+MaxieZ> I got a head scratcher if anyone has a moment. Probably something simple I'm overlooking 10:17 <+MaxieZ> I got this IP: 66.115.176.251 10:18 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 10:18 <+MaxieZ> It won't reverse resolve 10:18 <+MaxieZ> I can't figure out why 10:18 <@brimstone> ask nicely? 10:18 <+MaxieZ> I did try: nice -n 19 host 66.115.176.251 but no joy 10:18 <@brimstone> SERVFAIL ? 10:18 <+MaxieZ> :) 10:18 <@nachoguy> I take it that it is part of a block of IPs that you own and the rest do ok? 10:18 <+MaxieZ> yeah 10:19 <+MaxieZ> Yes and I'm doing forwarding for that block as well 10:19 <+MaxieZ> However, I can query our name servers and the ones we're forwarding to and it all looks fine 10:20 <+MaxieZ> Other IPs reverse as well 10:20 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has joined #se2600 10:20 <+MaxieZ> Which leads me to think it's a recursion authorization problem 10:20 < nated0g_wrk> whats going on this morning? 10:21 < tdc_vga> Corydon76-dig: PING!!! PING!!! 10:21 <@nachoguy> MaxieZ, is it a new entry? 10:21 <+MaxieZ> Not too much...I'm asking a stupid DNS question that I'll realize is a typo shortly 10:21 <@nachoguy> maybe your config has a typo, or didn't reload properly 10:21 < Curbob> Google Chrome released today, has anyone tested any previous versions? 10:22 <@nachoguy> oh they actually released it? 10:22 <+MaxieZ> nachoguy: not really, but in the last month we went from bind to pdns 10:22 <@nachoguy> I've been reading the comic strip 10:22 <@nachoguy> I'm not familiar with pdns 10:22 < Curbob> sounds like a mini OS 10:22 <+MaxieZ> nachoguy: and I can query our name servers directly and they sanswer just fine 10:22 -!- MudFlap [n=MudFlap@66.64.202.66.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 10:22 <+MaxieZ> So I don't think it's the name servers themselves. It's like DNS doesn't know how to reach us 10:22 <@nachoguy> interesting 10:23 <@nachoguy> yeah, somewhere along the way, the referral is busted 10:23 <@nachoguy> if you don't mind me asking why the bind -> pdns change? 10:23 <+MaxieZ> Mostly for the ease of use with sql 10:24 <+MaxieZ> Bind has a patch, but it's not part of debian which would mean we'd have to patch bind on every upgrade 10:24 < TheLightCosine> hmm all we can come up with this stupid rpoblem is that it's an issue with the fact we're using a C++ based api in Vb, i'm gunna try doing this in C# since that's what all the documentation is for 10:24 <@nachoguy> ah 10:24 < TheLightCosine> of course i have never ever used c# and even my c++ skills are pathetic 10:25 <@nachoguy> I always like the bind LDAP backend, but for an ISP that might not scale 10:26 <@nachoguy> dealing with internal workstation names and 50ish externally used domain names was fine, but that's not really the numbers that you guys deal with 10:28 <+MaxieZ> Alright it seems to be an issue with our neteng deciding to swip this block 10:28 <+MaxieZ> yay communication! 10:29 <@nachoguy> ah I love that 10:30 <@nachoguy> one of our providers did that with T1s once 10:30 <@nachoguy> two different switch techs had each decided to use the same port on one of their demux units without telling the other (or documenting it anywhere) 10:33 <+MaxieZ> It still doesn't make any freaking sense. 10:35 <+MaxieZ> I can do a dig +trace and it shows it going to our name servers and they don't respond 10:35 <+MaxieZ> and then when I query it directly it answers just fine 10:38 * wizardpc waits for his query to go from St Louis to St Paul and back 10:39 <@nachoguy> maybe there's a filter or ACL 10:39 <@wizardpc> It never ceases to amaze me that network guys dont understand latency 10:39 <@nachoguy> do you have an outside DNS server that you can config to use your work DNS as authoritative? 10:45 <+MaxieZ> Yeah...that's how I was testing it. 10:45 <+MaxieZ> I think it's a misconfig in PDNS at this point (running around in circles) :) 10:47 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:47 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has joined #se2600 10:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 10:50 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 10:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 10:52 <+MaxieZ> Not sure how out of the loop I am on this, but did you guys see google chrome? 10:54 <+MaxieZ> I mean "Chrome"? Couldn't they not name it after a core mozilla idea? 10:54 <+MaxieZ> Oh...nm. It is built off mozilla 10:54 <+MaxieZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome 10:55 <+MaxieZ> For those who may not know 10:55 <+MaxieZ> Oh damn...curbob mentioned it while I was on....and I ignored it 10:55 <+MaxieZ> Sorry Curbob 10:55 -!- nightcarnage [n=nightcar@c-68-52-192-120.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:58 -!- TheLightCosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ace8fc61a77a561c] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 10:58 <@maco> but it's WebKit and not Gecko...which is odd for "built off Mozilla" 10:58 -!- squirrelt3rd [n=non3@c-76-22-147-71.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:59 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 11:00 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has joined #se2600 11:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 11:02 <@wizardpc> damn Marie Colas died 11:02 <@wizardpc> http://www.police.nashville.gov/news/media/2008/08/31.htm 11:02 <@Neoteric> http://www.vanderbilt.edu/news/releases/2008/08/31/marie-colas-sister-of-slain-professor-pierre-colas-dies-from-her-injuries.63373 11:02 <@Neoteric> who was marie calas? 11:03 <@Neoteric> and more importantly why isn't east nashville bombed to free us of the terrorists 11:04 <@wizardpc> because stupid white people keep moving there to prove to their friends how un-racist they are 11:05 <@wizardpc> "look at me, I'm so enlightned! I just bought a $200,000 house a half a block from the projects!" 11:07 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has quit [] 11:15 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has joined #se2600 11:18 <@Neoteric> can anyone provide me a SIP exit point? I'm willing to trade ware's mom. 11:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: a gateway or an endpoint? 11:25 <@brimstone> boo sip 11:31 <@Catonic> brimstone: what have you got against SIP? Is it not Skinny enough for you? 11:34 <@nachoguy> I bet he wants IAX 11:43 <@critch> ahh, DC recoup time at work. 11:50 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [No route to host] 11:51 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: an end-point? (I think) 11:53 <@Evilpig> I feel dirty. I just put in an IP exception in the firewall's content filter for myspace 11:53 <@brimstone> anyone have any resources on how to make active directory pull from openldap? 11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: so you just need a SIP phone? 11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: just IP dial any SIP phone 11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: like one of the Polycoms you have there 12:02 < nated0g_wrk> Evilpig, did you do that for you or for a customer? 12:03 <@wizardpc> did one of the teachers need to make sure her students werent posting naked pictures of her? 12:03 <@nachoguy> brimstone, look into the rewrite overlay for openldap. I recall reading (roughly a year ago) that that was one good way of pushing/pulling information between them 12:03 <@Evilpig> one of our companies needed to get into the advertising section of myspace. and myspace doesn't have a nice easy url like facebook.com/ads/ 12:05 -!- TheLightCosine [i=thelight@0wn-y0u.com] has joined #se2600 12:05 < TheLightCosine> damn EVE patch game won't be back up for another hour 12:05 <@brimstone> nachoguy: ever had the problem that some of your windows laptops on the samba domain fail to login after a while offsite? 12:06 <@Evilpig> brimstone: cache more logins 12:06 <@brimstone> the 10 to 50 thing? 12:06 <@Evilpig> yeah 12:06 <@Evilpig> default used to be 10 I think 12:06 <@brimstone> it still seems to be 12:06 <@brimstone> i can't get the laptops to fail though 12:06 <@Evilpig> you can up it to 50 with system poicy 12:06 <@brimstone> but the users can 12:07 <@nachoguy> brimstone, not sure, most of the corp users never log out. The suspend, take the laptop home, brung it back up, suspend, bring it back to work. 12:07 <@nachoguy> we occasionally force reboots so that security patches get applied 12:10 <@Evilpig> where shoudl I go for lunch? 12:10 < nated0g_wrk> mcalisters! 12:10 <@brimstone> russia 12:11 <@Evilpig> on tech bargains "The new Google Chrome Browser may be available for download by this afternoon." <-- how is that a bargain? 12:11 <@brimstone> you didn't have to pay for it? 12:11 < TheLightCosine> chrome sounds pretty cool 12:11 <@brimstone> we'll know when the 0days come out 12:12 < TheLightCosine> heh 12:12 < TheLightCosine> i worry a bit about the multiprocess approach 12:12 < TheLightCosine> it'll be rgeat if they do it right, but it seems like presenting more opportunity for system crashes stemming from the browser 12:13 <@nachoguy> The way my work desktop has become a "mozilla and terminals" machine, this might be good. Mozilla was eating 1.1 gig of mem last week 12:13 < TheLightCosine> wow 12:13 <@nachoguy> the whole "tab goes away, free the mem" thing sounds good to me 12:13 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has quit [] 12:14 <@wizardpc> firefox doesnt do that? 12:14 <@nachoguy> I think it holds on to the mem, so that it can reaallocate it later 12:14 < Curbob> nope crashes entire firefox window that holds that tab and others 12:14 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has joined #se2600 12:15 < TheLightCosine> i think the argument is that multithreading inherantly leads to more memory fragmentation than a multiprocess approach 12:15 < TheLightCosine> my question is what if you get ad-bombed on Chrome? 12:16 <@Evilpig> I personally like hte idea of a multiprocess approach. I can bloat firefox out to 1.5GB sometimes after leaving it up for a week or two. 12:16 < Curbob> i like that when going to a new site from the same tab also releases memory 12:16 <@wizardpc> hmm..don't have that problem with IE 12:16 * wizardpc ducks 12:16 < TheLightCosine> lol 12:16 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has quit [Client Quit] 12:17 < TheLightCosine> seriously though, what if you get nailed by a hundred or more pop-under adds, what's that gunna do to your mem? 12:17 <@Evilpig> adblock for all your ad blocking needs! 12:17 <@Dolemite> Thunderbird already has a cap in place on how many windows will open before prompting you. 12:18 < TheLightCosine> i am definately excited about it, as i'm not particularly thrilled with firefox 3 12:18 <@Dolemite> er, Firefox 12:18 <@Dolemite> not Thunderbird 12:18 < TheLightCosine> but i smell exploits cooking 12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> wizardpc: how do you tell the difference between IE bloat and OS bloat, though? 12:18 < TheLightCosine> hah 12:19 < TheLightCosine> well when ie is essentialy a part of the os anymore, you really can't 12:23 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: uuh... okay. 12:23 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: what I have is an aestrix install... I was hoping such that I can then get the SIP magic needed to give a dial number to that aestrix device 12:23 <@Neoteric> what is that thing I need? 12:24 <@Corydon76-dig> I have no idea what you're trying to do 12:25 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: I'm trying to give hacdc a phone. but a useful phone such that I can get a number, dial it, and have a computer ring in the space... 12:25 <@Neoteric> hacdc.org is the org 12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> So you're trying to provision a phone that has an extension number, correct? 12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> The key here is that the SIP phone is a device, which is not intrinsically linked to any particular extension 12:27 <@Dolemite> I think he's wanting to get a DID without paying for phone service. 12:27 <@Neoteric> DID! 12:27 <@Corydon76-dig> To link an extension to the device, you have to create a dialplan in extensions.conf that sets up a particular extension to take a series of steps, one of which is to Dial that phone 12:27 <@Neoteric> yes a DID 12:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Do you have a DID that you're going to provision for it? 12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Look in your extensions.conf where you presently provision DIDs 12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> and then map that particular DID to Dial the device name associated with that phone 12:29 <@Neoteric> ... I should have paid more attention 4 yrs ago. 12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> extensions.conf isn't all that difficult to learn. It should be close to obvious 12:30 <@Neoteric> yeah except for all the .ini style poop 12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> though if you screw up the config, you can cause an outage of every number below the error 12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> exten => didhere,num,App(args) 12:31 <@brimstone> s/num/priority/ 12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: are you explaining this to Neoteric? 12:32 <@brimstone> no, just trying to help 12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> It's a sequence number 12:32 <@Neoteric> right. 12:32 < TheLightCosine> oh wow chrome actually laready planned for the drive by popup nicely it looks like 12:38 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 12:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 12:42 <@Neoteric> gears.google.com/chrome 12:42 <+Dagmar> Jesus their "little" comic is loooong 12:43 <+Dagmar> Neoteric: That URL just bounces me to iGoogle so, looks like no downloads yet 12:44 < TheLightCosine> yeah the comic is long as hell 12:45 < TheLightCosine> i swear google is trying to become THE Internet heh 12:46 <+Dagmar> How many pages long is it? 12:46 <+Dagmar> I stoped trying to read it at 22 pages 12:46 < TheLightCosine> i'll tell u when i manage to finish it lol 12:46 < TheLightCosine> i'm on 38 now 12:46 <+Dagmar> YeJesus 12:47 <+Dagmar> They have made a terrible mistake in thinking most people will wade through 38+ pages of that, even in comic book form. 12:47 < TheLightCosine> ah 38 12:47 < TheLightCosine> they could have done without some the unnecisary explanation 12:48 < TheLightCosine> "This is how a virtual machine works" "this is memory fragmentation" etc 12:48 < TheLightCosine> nobody who doesn't already know those things is gunna read their comic anyways 12:49 < TheLightCosine> gah the beta is only gunna be for windoze 12:49 < TheLightCosine> no linux beta 12:50 <+Dagmar> We'll fix that once they show us the sources 12:51 < TheLightCosine> heh well they are workng on a linux version just not for the beta 12:51 < M0j0-j0j0> wine? 12:52 < TheLightCosine> wine is such a pita 12:52 <@timoguin> mmm... pita bread. 12:54 < TheLightCosine> well it's been over a week and i must say this about vista, it is definately pretty to look at... i'd still rather have gnome for windows when i must use windows tho 12:55 < TheLightCosine> gnome+compiz fusion ftw 12:56 < I-MOD> i'm sure vista is fine if you rip out all the crap 13:05 < TheLightCosine> yeah first thing to go is the user access control thing 13:06 < TheLightCosine> i really only use windows for gaming on this laptop though,so i ahve far from tested it thoroughly 13:06 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o remoford] by ChanServ 13:08 <@tzanger> if you ripped all the shit out of vista you'd have a bare system again 13:10 < nated0g_wrk> so when is chrome available? 13:10 < M0j0-j0j0> 11AM PST 13:10 < M0j0-j0j0> so... 3P here? 13:11 < M0j0-j0j0> when is the Amiga version of Chrome coming out? 13:11 <+MaxieZ> Amiga? How about beos? 13:12 <+Dagmar> When you port it 13:12 <@Mirage> Hell, why not shoot for c64 also, while yer at it 13:12 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: BeOS?! lets be practical 13:13 <+MaxieZ> Oh and Amiga is practical? 13:13 < M0j0-j0j0> j/k 13:13 <+MaxieZ> Amiga whore :) 13:13 <+Dagmar> MaxieZ: For the mentally retarded, sure 13:13 <@Mirage> I think that was the jest of my comment as well..=P 13:13 < M0j0-j0j0> Amiga is always pratical 13:13 <+MaxieZ> c64....that's awesome 13:14 <+MaxieZ> Put the damn browser on a 5 and 1/4 and be done with it 13:14 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: maybe if we put it into Geos... so that the framework for the gui was already done 13:15 <+Dagmar> Geos is obsolete. Now get out of 1985 and let it die already. 13:16 <+MaxieZ> heh 13:16 <+MaxieZ> Hey I need all the old school cred I can get... 13:16 <+MaxieZ> Only reason I know about c64 is my cousin had one 13:17 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: what camp are you in? Hacking is all about making obsolete hardware do magical things 13:17 <+Dagmar> *bzzT* wrong 13:17 <+Dagmar> Know when something is past it's EOL 13:18 < M0j0-j0j0> if I could get Chrome to run on my TI-85 Calculator .. what kind of bad ass would I be? 13:18 < M0j0-j0j0> a 3133+ one! 13:18 <@Mirage> It was always fun to trick someone into playing one of the cassettes on a normal player 13:18 <+Dagmar> Insisting on using unsuitable for any purpose and failing is not hacking, it's stupidity. 13:18 <+MaxieZ> We're not insisting...we're playing 13:19 < M0j0-j0j0> I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD use... I'm saying... I wonder if we COULD 13:19 < M0j0-j0j0> what does it take to put a man on the moon 13:20 < M0j0-j0j0> 16k? 13:20 <+MaxieZ> If we can put a man on the moon we can put chrome on a c64? 13:20 <+Dagmar> Four thousand gallons of diet cola and 18,000 Mentos 13:20 <+MaxieZ> I kind of doubt it, but I see your point 13:20 <@brimstone> could you use diet cola nad mentos for a reasonable amount of lift? 13:21 <@brimstone> say 200lb or so? 13:21 < TheLightCosine> one has to wonder, with google's "don't be evil" policy why they name their new browser after a sadistic AI from Gibson 13:21 <+MaxieZ> See they say they only had 16k, but they really had a lot more memory than that...they called it pen and paper 13:21 < M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: the chemical reaction between Jolt and Equal might be able to do it 13:21 <+MaxieZ> Chrome is a core part of mozilla 13:22 <+MaxieZ> and thus firefox. 13:22 <+MaxieZ> So...that's why it's named that 13:22 < TheLightCosine> ah 13:22 <+Dagmar> Well, the Google people are nothing if not stupid. 13:22 < TheLightCosine> still funny parallel 13:22 <+Dagmar> I woudln't be suprised to hear they used the FF engine to start with 13:22 < TheLightCosine> er reverse the double l 13:22 <+MaxieZ> They said they started with mozilla code 13:22 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: don't forget rich 13:23 <@brimstone> 1980s cyberpunk is some weird stuff 13:23 < TheLightCosine> if by weird you mean awesome =P 13:23 < M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: 1980s is some weird stuff 13:25 < TheLightCosine> neuromancer did get a little trippy towards the end 13:25 < M0j0-j0j0> didn't they eventually make it into a movie or mini-series or something? 13:26 < TheLightCosine> if they did it's the first i heard of it 13:26 < TheLightCosine> they did that lousy movie of Johnny Mnemonic 13:26 < TheLightCosine> with keanu 13:26 < M0j0-j0j0> ugg 13:26 < TheLightCosine> and Henry R! 13:26 < M0j0-j0j0> doesn't every computer movie have him in it these days? 13:27 < M0j0-j0j0> Rollins was the shizzel 13:27 < TheLightCosine> damn straight 13:27 < M0j0-j0j0> and I think he got to talk about keanu's mom in that movie 13:28 < M0j0-j0j0> Rollins++ 13:28 < TheLightCosine> and keanu wasn't in such great computer movies ahackers or The Net ;) 13:28 < TheLightCosine> those managed to suck completely without him 13:29 < M0j0-j0j0> you mean that wasn't him who got pwned while stuck on a bus that was going to explode if it stopped? 13:29 <@nachoguy> wait, TheLightCosine, I thought Chrome was a hacker/Digital pimp not an AI 13:29 < TheLightCosine> no 13:30 < TheLightCosine> er 13:30 < TheLightCosine> maybe yer right 13:30 <@nachoguy> in the short story "burning chrome" 13:30 < TheLightCosine> yeah you are right i am misremembering 13:30 <@nachoguy> The rest of the story unfolds with Bobby deciding to break into the system of a notorious and vicious criminal called Chrome, who handles money transfers for organized crime, and Automatic Jack reluctantly agreeing to help. 13:31 <@nachoguy> that's right people, I have no life 13:31 < TheLightCosine> for some reason i rememebred her being an AI 13:31 < M0j0-j0j0> I was thinking of Speed which was the other movie with that girl from The Net which also blew, but couldn't have been any worse if she was Reeves 13:31 < TheLightCosine> it's jsut that she gets caught in her own black ICE or some such at the end right? 13:32 < M0j0-j0j0> not christopher.... Keanu... Christopher Reeves too busy riding a horse 13:32 <@wizardpc> wait wait wait....Tom from Myspace is a super l33t h4x0r? 13:32 <@wizardpc> wtf? 13:32 <@wizardpc> http://www.hackaday.com/2008/08/30/myspace-cofounder-tom-anderson-former-hacker/ 13:32 <@wizardpc> ~minilink 13:32 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/hackaday.com/KtUEh 13:33 -!- squirrelt3rd [n=non3@c-76-22-147-71.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o squirrelt3rd] by ChanServ 13:36 < TheLightCosine> wierd 13:37 <@oddball> now if only he could hack MySpace, so it doesn't suck? 13:38 < TheLightCosine> indeed 13:38 -!- TheLightCosine [i=thelight@0wn-y0u.com] has quit [""Hack the Gibson!""] 13:39 * oddball rediscovers the joys of live365 13:41 < M0j0-j0j0> alrighty then... I'm going to the gym 13:41 < M0j0-j0j0> peace 13:42 < vyrus001> wizardpc: yea saw that shit today in isn 13:55 <@brimstone> holy crap: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2008/09/02/don-lafontaine-obit.html 13:58 < Curbob> installing chrome now 13:59 <@someninjamaster> curbob link? 13:59 <@someninjamaster> i have been wanting to try it 13:59 < Curbob> www.google.com/chrome 13:59 <@someninjamaster> thanks i just found it 14:02 < nated0g_wrk> its alright looking 14:06 <@someninjamaster> i cant get the download link to work need to find a mirror 14:08 <@Neoteric> Curbob: uhh... can you post your d/l somewhere so I can gets me a copy? 14:09 <@wizardpc> http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html 14:10 <@wizardpc> oooo www.google.com/chrome sez for windows vista only 14:10 <@wizardpc> nm, cant read. says windows vista/xp 14:12 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has joined #se2600 14:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 14:15 <@dc0de> Jumbo Frames FTW! 14:17 * MaxieZ looks confused 14:18 <+MaxieZ> Picture frames? Browser frames? networking frames? 14:18 < Curbob> sooo confused, no home button 14:18 <@brimstone> all of them, dc0de needs them Jumbo sized! 14:19 <+MaxieZ> Curbob: it's google....it knows where your home is 14:19 < Curbob> lol mine is google, but no home page buttn to go there 14:21 < Curbob> i think they want you to open a new tab for new search 14:22 <+MaxieZ> I think they want to get rid of a "home page" and instead you have your most popular pages 14:23 < Curbob> ok, but how do i get back to the most popular pages ;) 14:23 <+MaxieZ> I think you open a new tab *shrugs* I'm not using it 14:23 < Curbob> that does work 14:26 <+MaxieZ> I wouldn't think that most peoples popular pages would be their home page....But maybe if you have to type it in every time 14:27 < Curbob> i'm guessing you just hit the + sign next to tabs and open another tab, easy just different, will take some learn'n 14:28 <@dc0de> MaxieZ: network frames... :P 14:28 <@Dolemite> dc0de : Do you know if there is any validity to the rumor that shadow404 is in jail? 14:28 <@dc0de> Dolemite: uhh, no, I haven't heard... 14:28 * dc0de is always the last to know... 14:28 <+MaxieZ> What?! 14:29 <@Dolemite> Or if scotchick forgot to let him out of the footlocker before she went out of town? 14:29 <@dc0de> he's not on AIM/Sidekick either... 14:29 <+MaxieZ> For what? 14:29 -!- scort [n=some@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 14:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o scort] by ChanServ 14:29 <@dc0de> Dunno, dunno... I'm must hearing of this... 14:29 <+MaxieZ> Calling him 14:29 <@dc0de> I'm checking with her... she's on AIM. 14:29 <+MaxieZ> His cell goes straight to VM 14:30 <@Dolemite> So it's true! He's making love to Bubba in his cell! 14:30 <@dc0de> Just sent her a question to her blackberry. 14:30 <+MaxieZ> I bet he got to close to minneapolis 14:30 <@wizardpc> or denver last week 14:30 <+MaxieZ> That bastard...Bubba's my man! 14:31 <@dc0de> Her status says "Staying in a 5 Star in Vancouver, hope no one finds out" 14:31 <+MaxieZ> Oh yeah 14:31 <+MaxieZ> he told me he was going up there 14:31 <+MaxieZ> I think he's on vacation is all 14:31 <@dc0de> He's on Vacation Dolemite 14:32 < Curbob> vacation in the pokey? 14:32 <@dc0de> Dolemite: he'll be back on the weekend. 14:32 <@SkyDog_> Where did the rumor about him getting arrested start? 14:33 <@dc0de> dunno, the first I heard of it was at 15:28 when Dolemite asked me. 14:33 <+MaxieZ> I have logs! 14:33 <@wizardpc> I dunno. it was here this morning when I got here 14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Dunno, I heard it from brimstone 14:33 <@wizardpc> nobody knows shit! 14:33 <@dc0de> he's laughing at all of you. 14:33 <@wizardpc> hey, where's ware? HE MUST BE IN JAIL, TOO! 14:33 <@nachoguy> I bet shadows to blame! 14:33 <@dc0de> he's in vancouver, living the high life... 14:33 <@wizardpc> is he taking a shower? 14:34 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: we were all laughing at the idea of Shadow getting cornholed in county lockup, actually 14:35 <+MaxieZ> Ok...I'll post this...it looks like brimstone made a joke and everyone just went with it 14:35 <@Corydon76-dig> with a possible Shadow reaction of, "It's really not as bad as it sounds..." 14:35 <@Dolemite> Well we're used to Shadow404 annoying the fuck out of us when he's on vacation, so jail was the only logical explanation. 14:35 <+MaxieZ> http://maxiez.com/shadowlog 14:36 <@dc0de> Dolemite: actually, I'm guessing he doesn't have coverage out of the country... 14:36 <+MaxieZ> That was on Friday 14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: or forgot his charger 14:36 <@Dolemite> dc0de : They has internetz in the hotel, I'm sure. 14:36 -!- scort [n=some@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:36 < Curbob> To have a separate button for accessing your home page, select the 'Show Home button on the toolbar' 14:37 <@dc0de> Dolemite: or he just wants to have fun? 14:37 <@Dolemite> dc0de : But to him, fun is going somewhere else and telling everybody on IRC how much fun it would be if he weren't on IRC. 14:37 <@Dolemite> It's all part of Shadow404 being such a tool. 14:38 <@dc0de> perhaps he's (dare I say it) Growing up? 14:38 <@Corydon76-dig> More likely scotchick has him on a short leash 14:38 <@Neoteric> fuck that 14:38 <@Dolemite> I still prefer the idea of him getting cornholed in a 6x6 jail cell. 14:39 <@SkyDog_> I agree. 14:40 <@nachoguy> hey, so long as he's ok 14:40 * nachoguy stops the run on orange stickers that say "free shadow" 14:41 < Curbob> well Chrome is freakin fast 14:41 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: "Bubba" might take that as an invitation 14:41 * I-MOD puts down the phone to county lockup 14:43 <@nachoguy> Corydon, or you => 14:43 * dc0de starts the run of orange stickers saying "$2 or 5 cigs == shadow" 14:44 * Neoteric goes to install chrome 14:44 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 14:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o scort] by ChanServ 14:44 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: I'm still waiting for him to come out of the closet, first 14:44 <@nachoguy> so, has google said when they'll release chrome for non-infidels? 14:44 <@nachoguy> Corydon, do you need that? 14:45 <@nachoguy> you just need to barter with Scotchick, she's resonable. 14:45 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: her response last PN was "I don't care. Go ahead." 14:46 <@Corydon76-dig> (Shadow had just told me it was up to her, now) 14:46 <@nachoguy> heh 14:46 <@nachoguy> it sounds familiar, I may have been standing around. 14:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Probably, it was by the registration desk 14:48 <@Corydon76-dig> One of these years he'll learn that when he says, "Okay, I'll give you a hug", he should leave off the "but don't grab my ass", because clearly, that's an invitation to grab his ass 14:50 <@nachoguy> I dunno, explicit vs implicit requests to not get groped. I think you've got a panel talk there 14:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Anybody else, perhaps. But we're talking about Shadow 14:52 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:59 <+MaxieZ> This google comic is shit 14:59 <+MaxieZ> If they want to start over...redo the http protocol. 15:04 <@Dolemite> lol... vpilf.com 15:06 <@nachoguy> don't redo http. http does what it was written to do. All the other crap that people try to shoehorn in is something different. they should create a new protocol and leave http to be like gopher 15:06 < I-MOD> yep 15:06 <+MaxieZ> nachoguy: I can go with that 15:07 < I-MOD> the purpose is in the name 15:07 < I-MOD> hypertext transport protocol 15:07 < I-MOD> text 15:07 < I-MOD> BAM 15:09 < Curbob> mac and linux versions coming soon 15:10 < I-MOD> Curbob, what panels did you hit at D*C? 15:12 < Curbob> last year i hit up a bunch of the shows i watch so this year i did other things that intrest me, like skeptics and belivers discussions, oragomi (probably spelled wrong) but it was stressful for me.. hacking 101 ansd 201, many parties and a couple show panels i missed last year 15:15 < Curbob> but i'm getting old, up till 3am and awake by 9am for 3 days has screwed me up today 15:23 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has joined #se2600 15:23 <@wizardpc> http://xkcd.com/470/ 15:23 <@nachoguy> did Pope jX run the Science track again? 15:25 <@critch> Curbob: you are a wuss. I was staying up at parties and such till after 5am, and getting up to run around by 9am all weekend. 15:26 < Curbob> not for me.. i'm almost 40 gettin slow.. yeh JX ran the sci track 15:27 <@critch> Lets see, lips didn't start till after 2:30am, then we went back to the hotel with a pizza, and sat out on the deck eating and making fun of the guys beside us. Didn't go back up to the room till after 6am, Party Monday morning didn't end till 5:30am, and took me almost 30mins to get my roomate back to the room. 15:27 <@critch> Curbob: I'm 34, so suck it up. 15:27 < Curbob> lol 15:28 < Curbob> did you see the guys with the party in a box walking around and starting dance parties? 15:28 <@critch> nope 15:28 < Curbob> I was with them, but after i left i guess security came and i guess they are "banned" for the next couple years 15:29 <@polerin> for... starting parties? 15:29 <@polerin> open containers or something? 15:29 < Curbob> yep.. cuz 100 or so people stopped and watched while hot women were dancing 15:30 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 15:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 15:30 < Curbob> we all walked around with open booze, that wasn't a problem 15:30 <@polerin> nachoguy: that's why I don't really like things like JSON. Xml I can see, even xml snippits, but come on :P 15:31 <@critch> polerin: json should produce at least xml snippits 15:31 <@critch> Doesn't your browser give you a nice dom browser to look at it while rendered? 15:31 <@polerin> critch: I see people using it for way more than that if I understand correclty 15:32 <@polerin> correctly 15:32 <@polerin> which I may not, I've studied it only a bit. 15:32 <+MaxieZ> Json is great...It just shouldn't be executed on the fly 15:33 <@critch> Curbob: did you go see lips this year? 15:33 <@scort> hi polerin 15:34 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:34 <@polerin> :) 15:35 <@scort> that's all i get 15:36 < Curbob> nope, went to the caberet show, hot hot hot 15:36 <@scort> rick's caberet 15:36 <@critch> I ended up with 2 hugs and a kiss from a chick I saw at the burlesque table because I gave blood on Monday. 15:36 <@scort> is one around here 15:37 <@critch> She couldn't give blood for the piercings and the being under weight. 15:37 < Curbob> they were very hot! 15:37 <@scort> i can't give blood because people think i have aids 15:38 < Curbob> i can't cuz ima pussy lol 15:38 <@critch> we almost had an orgy in front of the front row. chick kept hopping up on dude and humping away at him. 15:38 * Curbob claps 15:38 <@critch> heh, the second hug and the kiss was because I went back after having troubles the last time. 15:39 < Curbob> one thing i don't like about Chrome, i hit close but I only wanted to close that tab, closed everything doh, at least FF ask if that's what you wanted 15:41 <@timoguin> i accidently hit ctrl+q instead of ctrl+w a lot of the time. 15:41 <@timoguin> that's a pita too. 15:41 <@critch> Curbob: could you do me a favor and post the URL for the download. The IE I am running says I am win98, and mozilla says I am on linux. So no download link for me. 15:42 < Curbob> http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html that doesn't seem right 15:42 <@scort> chrome 15:42 <@scort> ??? 15:42 <@critch> thanks 15:43 <@scort> is chrome open source? 15:43 < Curbob> yes 15:43 < Curbob> that link work? 15:43 <@scort> yes 15:44 <@scort> it doesn't have a linux build? 15:44 < Curbob> not yet 15:44 <@Mirage> m 15:44 <@scort> i wonder if wine will work 15:44 <@critch> no linux yet, and it seems it doesn't like wine either 15:45 < I-MOD> scort, not for me 15:45 <@scort> awww 15:45 < I-MOD> looks like it needs .net2.0 15:45 <@critch> hmm, I have that on my home machine 15:45 < Curbob> wow, didn't know that, since i have it anyway 15:45 <@critch> needed it for garmin shit. 15:46 < Curbob> probably cuz google gears is running in background which i think uses sqllite or something like that 15:46 <@wizardpc> hey critch I fixed the white jeep 15:47 <@wizardpc> only took me a year 15:47 < Curbob> stats for nerds in Chrome about:memory 15:48 <@scort> is it cool? 15:48 <@scort> what about a vm 15:49 <@scort> i think my qemu works 15:49 <@critch> wizardpc: cool, was it the ground stap you thought it might be? 15:50 <@wizardpc> no, it was the pickup coil inside the distributor 15:50 <@wizardpc> and I found where a guy told me in July of 07 that that was the problem 15:52 <@critch> the alternator in my car is starting to act up again. 15:53 <@wizardpc> only problem: Nikki sez I can only keep one jeep 15:53 <@wizardpc> :( 15:54 <@critch> heh, since it appears I am not getting the roomate I thought I was, I have parking space at my house. 15:54 <@wizardpc> her issue is monetary 15:54 < I-MOD> wizardpc, what kind of jeep? 15:54 <@wizardpc> 93 cherokee police package 15:54 <@critch> wizardpc: okay, and so now how much for the one you don't want to keep? 15:54 <@wizardpc> I *love* that jeep 15:55 <@wizardpc> I'm having a hard time deciding which one to keep 15:55 < Curbob> i love my jeep, i soooo understand that 15:55 < I-MOD> i'll love mine once i finish it 15:55 <@wizardpc> I-MOD: they're never finished 15:56 < I-MOD> s/finish it/get the engine rebuilt and installed/ 15:56 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 15:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 15:57 <@Evilpig> [14:19] Reatha: yahoo still sends messages from here to spam folder--any ideas? I really need to be able to use parent link to send out emails, but I don't want to open it up again until I know that everyone can receive 15:57 <@Evilpig> want to punch user in the face 15:57 <@Evilpig> all her email goes to the spam folder on yahoo and she wants me to fix it 15:57 < Curbob> lol dear yahoo..... 15:58 < Curbob> i guess it would go to their spam bucket also! 15:59 <@Evilpig> she's telling me they aren't getting their mail. and that I should get them off the spam list. to which I said you aren't on their spam list 16:01 < nated0g_wrk> add it to white list? 16:02 <@rattle> Anyone else coming down with the DragonCon flu? 16:03 <@critch> Nope. 16:03 * critch wonders if con drude is something contracted during hacker201 and/or phreaknic. 16:03 <@critch> s/drude/crude/ 16:07 < nated0g_wrk> the clap? 16:08 < Curbob> i feel like crap! 16:10 <@scort> sweet 16:10 <@scort> ima play with qemu 16:10 <@scort> 16:10:49 up 1:29, 5 users, load average: 1.20, 0.74, 0.75 16:10 <@scort> install some vista 16:11 <@rattle> Curbob: Both my gf and myself are coming down with something. 16:11 <@rattle> I think there is another dragoncon disease this year. 16:11 <+MaxieZ> Yeah. I always get sick at PN, but defcon I was fine...wtf? 16:11 <@Neoteric> rattle: great. thanks. 16:12 <@aestetix> howdy 16:12 < Curbob> i think i drank enough to kill anything, but do have irish flu today 16:12 <@critch> Curbob: did you hangout at the hacker panels? 16:13 <@Neoteric> "irish flu" is that like my russian headache? 16:13 < Curbob> it was hard to come into work and look at code this morning 16:14 < Curbob> yep went to 101 and 201, they tried to get me up on the panel for 101 but I knew I was already too drunk, so I said no thanks ;) 16:14 <@critch> I only poked my head in to the hacking201 panel, saw it had already devolved into anarchy and left. 16:14 < Curbob> had a good time, then headed to the tesla coils, which rocked this year 16:14 <@aestetix> critch: what's hacker201? 16:15 <@aestetix> oh the dragoncon talk 16:15 <@critch> So there we go, it is members of the HAcking 201 guests or panel that perpetuate the con crud. They bring only the strongest virus and weed it out for PN 16:15 < Curbob> we missed rattle at the talks this year, he was managing the tesla coils 16:16 <@critch> Curbob: I have a picture of Eric Avari in front of the Mad scientists ball. We all ended up outside in the line, decided to say fuck it and went to a party I could actually get into. 16:16 <@rattle> I was at Hacking 101.. Just not 201 and 301. But I was there in spirit, because I did the beer run.. :) 16:16 < Curbob> oh yeh i remember, see i was drunk for 101 lol 16:17 < Curbob> that was alot of beer, how much did they collect this year? 16:17 <@aestetix> I am never throwing or helping throw another rave again. 16:18 < I-MOD> ? 16:18 <@aestetix> That's what I spent this weekend doing. 16:18 < I-MOD> at dragoncon? 16:18 <@aestetix> Working on a party with a friend for old times sake. 16:18 <@critch> http://www.drunkenlogic.com/dsc02843.jpg 16:18 <@aestetix> No, in St. Louis. 16:18 < I-MOD> oh 16:18 < I-MOD> i heard there was a rave or two at D*C 16:19 < I-MOD> didn't manage to find one though D: 16:19 <@rattle> We needed a way bigger room than we had. 16:19 <@aestetix> By rave, I mean warehouse party. Lots and lots of work. 16:19 < I-MOD> yeah 16:19 <@rattle> The total occupancy was 200.. 16:19 <@aestetix> I dunno. D*C is a fun time though. 16:19 <@rattle> We had to flush the room between shows. 16:19 < Curbob> there were a tons of things to do after hours this year, that was great 16:19 < I-MOD> yeah 16:19 <@rattle> Otherwise we would have gotten shut down. 16:19 <@aestetix> Fuck. 16:19 < I-MOD> i managed to catch the end of a flush, so i got in 16:19 <@rattle> We wound up doing 6 shows though. 16:19 < I-MOD> twas awesome 16:19 <@aestetix> I wonder if D*C would like a system like we set up for HOPE. 16:20 <@aestetix> I really need to flesh out the rest of this software and start pimping it out. 16:20 < I-MOD> nice pic critch 16:20 <@rattle> If we get one of the huge rooms next year, it will actually be a mad scientist's ball, rather than a mad scientist's show.. 16:20 < I-MOD> i know that dude's face, but i can't remember what he plays in 16:20 < Curbob> yeh the pirates party was in a huge room and noone was in there when i went in 16:20 < I-MOD> rattle, like...formal? 16:21 < I-MOD> the pirate party wasn't all that good 16:21 <@critch> rattle: maybe talk them into putting you in the Grand or something like it at the Sheratin 16:21 <@rattle> No.. Just like the ability to have people come in and out of the damn room. 16:21 < I-MOD> and it mostly had the overflow from the MSB 16:21 <@rattle> We had to run it like a show rather than a party. 16:21 < I-MOD> walking to the sheraton sucked balls 16:21 <@critch> yeah, but it could have been worse 16:21 <@rattle> For most of the shows, we just kicked everyone out. Did a head count of the staff currently in the room.. Added an extra five heads to it to be safe, then just started counting from there up to 200.. 16:22 <@rattle> I feel really bad for everyone who got caught waiting in the line. 16:22 < Curbob> yeh it pissed me off, we waited a while to get in 16:22 < I-MOD> i went to the sheraton for the dr horrible sing along 16:22 <@rattle> There wasn't another way to handle it. 16:22 < Curbob> yeh i was with Tom when you were trying to get them in, i know you felt bad 16:22 < I-MOD> heh...i saw decius and palindrome stuckin the line 16:22 <@critch> I just went back to the room, took a shower, and ended up at a cool roomparty 16:22 <@rattle> We also had issues with people exiting through the emergency doors, which blew the count.. 16:22 < Curbob> no problem, we knew it wasnt you 16:23 <@rattle> Then we had the problem were people would leave at the end of the show, and the door security would admit folks in their place.. Then after the show, they could complain that they only saw a minute or two of it. 16:24 < Curbob> crap! 16:24 < Curbob> my highlight was talking and drinking with the actors from battlestar, at 3 am 16:24 < I-MOD> nice 16:24 < Curbob> they were very cool 16:25 < I-MOD> the only time i've ever talked to actors, i treat them like normal people, some love it, and others act like i'm being a dick 16:25 <@rattle> Curbob: I appreciate that. Some people were actually getting pissed off at me about it.. 16:26 < Curbob> cuz their idiots.. lol 16:27 <@rattle> Each time we flushed the room we were able to admit the entire line.. So at least everyone who waited got to see it.. 16:27 <@rattle> But I'm sure that line kept a ton of people away. 16:28 < Curbob> the guy that plays Colonel Tigh was awesome, specialy since he plays a mean ass on the show 16:29 <@rattle> Of course, after the show was going for about 10 minutes, the room always hit capacity again.. 16:29 < Curbob> did the stars get a preview this year? 16:30 <@wizardpc> I have a list of 5,000 files, and I need to see which of these files is NOT in a specific directory 16:30 <@wizardpc> in windows 16:30 <@wizardpc> any ideas? 16:31 <@rattle> Yeah, mount the directory on a *nix box via smbmount so you can use a real toolset. 16:31 <@critch> is the list in text format? 16:31 < Curbob> beyond compare 2 might work 16:31 * Neoteric eyes playstation driving wheel again... 16:32 <@rattle> I'm having a real annoying problem with large file support on debian etch vms under vmware. 16:32 <@aestetix> So uh 16:32 <@critch> wizardpc: http://www.wingrep.com/ 16:32 <@aestetix> Ok. Google Chrome memory managed tabs. That's fucking cool. 16:32 <@rattle> It's fucking annoying. Some things can't write files bigger than 2g. All current builds. 16:32 <@aestetix> The rest of the features are at best stolen from Opera. 16:32 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.46] has quit [] 16:33 <+Dagmar> Wahh waah wahh 16:33 <@Neoteric> aestetix: yeah chrome is pretty rad 16:33 <@aestetix> Seriously though. 16:33 <@Neoteric> aestetix: the javascript profiling bits are nifty too 16:33 <+Dagmar> Seriously what 16:33 <@aestetix> Holy fuck. Managed tabs. This is awesome. 16:33 <@rattle> Dagmar: Oh, lay it on me. 16:33 <+Dagmar> rattle: eh? 16:33 <@aestetix> Neoteric: that's what I meant. 16:34 <+Dagmar> Not having one tab bring down the whole goddamn browser == WIN 16:34 <+Dagmar> Of course, if I could actually download the fucking thing it would be cool. 16:34 <@rattle> Dagmar: Oh.. I saw the wahh waah wahh out of you, and figured you were about to lay some truth on me about my vmware/lfs problem. 16:34 <@aestetix> Yep yep. 16:34 <+Dagmar> rattle: Oh, I didn't even know you had one 16:35 <+Dagmar> If the underlying OS doesn't have large file support, your VMs might not as well as a direct result 16:35 <@Neoteric> aestetix: try out some of the processing.js bits... 16:35 <@rattle> Dagmar: VMWare Server current. Debian Etch current host. Debian Etch current guests. No large file support in the guests... 16:35 <+Dagmar> I've already seen one case where it became obvious that libc calls were just being passed to the host OS because that glibc blew a rasperry about hte kernel 16:35 <@Neoteric> normally that brings any browser to it's kneeds 16:36 <+Dagmar> Fucked up. Those should do large files no problem afaik 16:37 <@critch> rattle: I have no problems with Debian etch inside of Debian Etch using vmware server and getting large file support. 16:37 <@Neoteric> the bird flocking is ultra harse 16:37 <+Dagmar> rattle: looks like it's an Etch issue tho 16:37 <@rattle> I've only got about 2 hours invested in finding the root cause so far... I might have something fairly unique going on, because normal google-fu is failing me. 16:37 <@Neoteric> rattle: none of my vm's have that issue 16:37 <@rattle> When I saw this shit, I was like "Am I back in 1997?!" 16:38 <@critch> rattle: VMWare server shouldn't be the problem. I would check the guest, and possibly the kernel rev 16:38 <+Dagmar> What, specifically, blew up at the 2Gb mark? 16:38 <@rattle> I ran over to the window.. Looked at the cars.. Made sure I didn't suddenly zip back a few years. Turned out it was all a day dream.. 16:38 <+Dagmar> critch: Etch has a 2.6 kernel. Large file support is on by default 16:38 <@Neoteric> rattle: dd if=/dev/random of=foo bs=1M count=3000 16:38 <@critch> Dagmar: right 16:38 <@Neoteric> if that blows up you live in 1997 16:39 <@rattle> critch: I'm 101% that Etch has no issues on the same bear metal.. 16:39 <+Dagmar> I see some stuff about remote filesystems 16:39 <@rattle> Same kernel. 16:39 <@rattle> I can create files bigger than 2G.. 16:39 <@Neoteric> aestetix: http://ejohn.org/apps/processing.js/examples/topics/flocking.html 16:39 <@rattle> But things like apache logs just stop.. 16:39 <+Dagmar> Ah 16:39 < M0j0-j0j0> maybe it's running on fat16 16:39 <@polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xukbiS8q9s I like the tact he's taking 16:40 <@rattle> Actually, so be specific.. Anything that logs, so far, that I've run into.. Just fucking stops. 16:40 <@polerin> Dagmar: did you hear that amy goodman got arrested? 16:40 <+Dagmar> http://blog.eukhost.com/webhosting/apache-log-files-2gb/ 16:40 <+Dagmar> polerin: Yep 16:40 <+Dagmar> I memed both videos of the arrest, and a video of her commentary immediately after being released. 16:41 <+Dagmar> They're trying to pin *felony* charges on the two producers 16:41 <+Dagmar> There had goddamn well better be some serious legal backlash on these fucking jackbooted jackasses 16:41 <@rattle> Uber aggressive log rotation is what I'm doing now.. But I like to be able to go more than ... oh... Two or three hours without rotating a log.. 16:41 <+Dagmar> 'cuz if McCain comes here, I'm flyering the fucking town 16:42 <@polerin> Dagmar: Corydon apparently thinks that it's just some "left wing freaks" (his words not mine) that suffer from thhis crap :P 16:42 < M0j0-j0j0> roses and lillies? 16:42 <@Neoteric> aestetix: this one is also very "intense" http://ejohn.org/apps/processing.js/examples/custom/molten.html 16:42 <@polerin> sorry, don't meen to restart this argument, I'm just irked 16:42 <@polerin> heh 16:42 < M0j0-j0j0> oh.. I thought you said flowering.. nm 16:42 <+Dagmar> rattle: You *might* need to rebuild that Apache bin 16:42 <@brimstone> more like _de_flowering 16:43 <+Dagmar> polerin: I suspect he just wasn't paying attention to what's been going on there 16:43 < M0j0-j0j0> the VP? 16:43 <@polerin> Dagmar: look in your scrollback :P 16:43 <+Dagmar> The shit they've been doing this weekend (and some today) has been just completely off the chart 16:43 < M0j0-j0j0> lots of coke? 16:44 <+Dagmar> polerin: If he can't be bothered to pay attention to the news, don't expect me to search the scrollback 16:44 < M0j0-j0j0> had a few weekends like to myself lately 16:44 <@polerin> hehe 16:44 <@polerin> just sayin. 16:44 <+Dagmar> Arresting the *press* is a big, fat, stinking NONO. 16:44 <+Dagmar> Doesn't matter what fucking "wing" someone's supposed to be on, it's completely beyond the pale. 16:44 < M0j0-j0j0> hmm... I'm not sure how I feel about that 16:44 <+Dagmar> Mass-arrests are also another big, fat, stinking NONO. 16:44 <@polerin> http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/09/02/sarah-palins-not-so-hidden-extremism/ <-- heh, check that out dag. 16:45 < M0j0-j0j0> depends on the mass 16:45 <+Dagmar> ...and boy howdy did they engage in them. 16:45 <@polerin> yeah 16:46 <+Dagmar> M0j0-j0j0: Dude, they shut down a permitted concert many blocks away just because it was young people sitting and listening to the music, then started to arrest them all. 16:46 <+Dagmar> Basically, a case of "You're not wearing a uniform, so you're our bitches." 16:46 <+Dagmar> Not legal. Not in any state in the US. 16:47 < M0j0-j0j0> well... I've been to a party that had that as a theme... but we was all consenting adults. 16:47 < M0j0-j0j0> and that can't be the entire story 16:47 <@polerin> it can't? :P 16:47 <@polerin> hell, this is from a city that wouldn't even allow a billboard 16:48 <+Dagmar> Heh 16:48 < M0j0-j0j0> same thing... depends on the billboard.. doesn't it? 16:48 <@polerin> go look up the story :P 16:48 <+Dagmar> I wound up getting a mail back from a manager over in Traffic and Parking 16:49 <+Dagmar> I suspect I am not the first person to use words like "insultingly insecure location" when inquiring about additional motorcycle parking areas. 16:49 <@rattle> Dagmar: Already shipped a package rebuild done on the same exact platform. Make sure gcc got hit was a -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64. 16:49 <+Dagmar> Damn that's weird 16:49 <@rattle> It's fucking stupid whatever it is. 16:50 <@rattle> I've pretty much concluded this is going to be one of those time consuming things to figure out.. And I'm a bit pissed about it, because it involves a closed source product in the loop. 16:52 <@aestetix> jesus 16:52 <@aestetix> The anti-Palin news keeps on coming 16:53 <@polerin> aestetix: you saw that she was pretty tightly tied to dominionists right? 16:53 <@polerin> :P 16:53 * brimstone keeps reading Paladen and thinking Padawan 16:53 < M0j0-j0j0> people should be able to assemble peacefully, but I your meeting brings down the cities commuting infrastructure because you wanted to do it in the middle of an interstate you shouldn't walk away without having to pay for inconveniencing everyone else 16:54 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: so.. the civil rights marchers were wrong? 16:54 <@aestetix> polerin: not yet 16:54 < M0j0-j0j0> polerin: if they made me late to work they are :) 16:55 <@aestetix> It seems there is an insanely long laundry list of issues with her 16:55 <@aestetix> Then again. 16:55 <@polerin> aestetix: excuse the second feminist link, but check this one out. 16:55 <@aestetix> Imagine what would happen if McCain picked *me*. 16:55 <@polerin> http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-is-woman-so-are-ann-coulter.html 16:55 <@rattle> I generally have been loving VMWare's warez. The free beer stuff is great. Fusion works great in osx. Their knowledge base on the other hand makes me want to remove someone's scrotum at EMC. 16:56 <@rattle> ... using a drive bay with sharp edges. 16:57 <+Dagmar> We can get you one of those 16:58 <@aestetix> Fuck speed reading. 16:58 <@aestetix> I glance in the channel and the only word Isee is "scrotum" 16:58 <@polerin> it does sorta stick out doesn't it :P 16:59 <@polerin> aestetix: seriously though... palin freaks me out 16:59 <@polerin> in that insane "oh my god I almost wish you were a stepford wife" kind of way 16:59 <+MaxieZ> ~minilink 16:59 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/blogspot.com/tRVBl.html 16:59 <@aestetix> Woah. 16:59 <@aestetix> Interesting. 17:00 <@aestetix> I just discovered the credit agency that's been calling me to collect a debt is a scam. 17:00 <@polerin> aestetix: what, that she freaks me out, or something in the post :P 17:00 < M0j0-j0j0> *shrug* are you questioning her right to be VP? 17:00 <@polerin> ah 17:00 <@aestetix> I was wondering why I was getting all these phone calls 17:00 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: oh, no she's got every right to be vp 17:00 <+Dagmar> aestetix: They say they've found you have $6,000 of unsecured debt? 17:00 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: her politics and religious views scare the SHIT out of me. 17:00 <+Dagmar> Some guy named Josh? 17:00 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: go read the link above 17:00 < nated0g_wrk> exit 17:00 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:00 <@wizardpc> polerin: kinda like me with obama 17:00 <@aestetix> http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-916-526-8058 17:00 < M0j0-j0j0> polerin: I wouldn't worry too much about it 17:00 <@aestetix> it's for that number 17:01 <@aestetix> I just got a phone call from that number 17:01 < M0j0-j0j0> polerin: I don't think it's going to work out in the end 17:01 <@polerin> wizardpc: yes but obama's not a member of the Assemblies of God Alaska 17:01 < M0j0-j0j0> unless something really odd happens on the democratic side 17:01 < M0j0-j0j0> other than the race thing 17:01 <@wizardpc> no, he's a member of Jeremiah Wright's church 17:01 <@aestetix> Ok, I want rattle's opinion on this. 17:01 <+Dagmar> aestetix: You've put your number in the FTC's donotcall list right? 17:01 <@polerin> check 17:02 <@aestetix> I think Obama is a good candidate because he motivates people to be active in politics. 17:02 * tzanger sings 17:02 <@tzanger> "Fat bottomed girls you make this rockin' world go round!" 17:02 <@aestetix> The same reason I like Ron Paul. 17:02 <+Dagmar> I think McCain is a bad candidate because his party continually shit on everything America stands for. 17:02 <@polerin> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213 17:02 < M0j0-j0j0> and in the US.. if you can't with the Opra behind you... 17:02 <@polerin> wizardpc: have you ever heard of the dominionists? 17:02 <@aestetix> Dagmar: honestly, I identify heavily with the oldschool republicans. 17:02 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: they don't mean to 17:03 <@Neoteric> I like MILFs so I'm going w/ McC 17:03 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: well.. some of them do 17:03 <@aestetix> The ones who say don't wage unjust wars, be nice to others (except in IRC), etc 17:03 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: the rest of them are just narrow minded 17:03 <+Dagmar> WTF are dominionists 17:03 < I-MOD> i'm with aestetix on that 17:03 <@polerin> wizardpc: basicly, they belieive that secular governments hsould be discarded, along with religious freedoms in order to estabilish the world as the dominion of God and Jesus the lord savior amen stone the queers. 17:03 <@polerin> (seriously) 17:04 <@aestetix> Then again. 17:04 <@polerin> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213 (with the palin angle) 17:04 <+Dagmar> Oh shit 17:04 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:04 < M0j0-j0j0> aestetix: oh, the real ones that don't use it as a sheild 17:04 <@wizardpc> and the UCC preaches that blacks should put their race before all else 17:04 <@aestetix> Me asking to be respected for being nice in IRC is like Hitler demanding a full pardon for the holocaust because he pet a kitty 17:04 <@tzanger> wow can Americans blog about politics... holy shit 17:05 < M0j0-j0j0> aestetix: granted! :) 17:05 <@aestetix> tzanger: Americans can blog about anything they don't understand 17:05 <@tzanger> aestetix: haha no, I think that Americans blog more about politcs than any other nation 17:05 <@polerin> wizardpc: so trade me links :) give me a decent one about the UCC, then go read up on joel's army 17:06 < M0j0-j0j0> tzanger: over stating our uninformed opinions is what makes the rest of the world love us so much 17:06 <+Dagmar> Whoa... She's pentacostal? 17:06 <+Dagmar> Those people are jackasses 17:07 <@tzanger> haha no I wouldn't go that far 17:07 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: I know we're not judging an entire group based on the actions of a few crazy people 17:07 <@polerin> Dagmar: actually, the pentacostals have ejected most of the dominionist churches as heritics 17:07 <@rattle> aestetix: What did you want my opinion on? 17:08 < M0j0-j0j0> polerin: the heathens 17:08 <+MaxieZ> M0j0-j0j0: You can when their group is fundamentally f'd up 17:09 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: oh, sorry.. I didn't see you in the judges robe over there 17:09 <+MaxieZ> IE: nambla 17:09 <+Dagmar> polerin: LOL that's pretty damning 17:09 <+MaxieZ> M0j0-j0j0: sorry you midded them. If you join a group that at it's cores says we fuck puppies....you're fucked up 17:09 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: I'm a member of a lot of groups that people think are fundamentally f'd up, but I don't think they are 17:10 <+MaxieZ> s/midded/missed/ 17:10 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: h@x0rz 17:10 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/10/1787/26874/752/511810 seriously 17:10 <@Neoteric> okay everyone call me a sucker 17:10 <@Neoteric> I just bought a steering wheel 17:10 <@polerin> sucker. 17:10 < M0j0-j0j0> sucker 17:11 <@aestetix> rattle: Obama's influence on the masses. 17:11 <@aestetix> I remember you saying how scared you were of Ron Paul. 17:11 <@aestetix> Neoteric: how did you break the first one? And did walmart give you a new tonka truck? 17:12 <@rattle> aestetix: Yes, because he's crazy. 17:12 <@aestetix> What about Obama? 17:12 <@aestetix> By which I mean, people hear Obama's speeches, and have a bit of an idea of how things work, but not the full picture. 17:13 <@aestetix> Then again, Obama isn't preaching gold standard and abolishing the fed... 17:13 <@rattle> He's not jaded enough yet to be crazy like Ron Paul is crazy. 17:13 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: I have lots of animals and was raised on a ranch so I respect the animal kingdom, but don't love it... BUT I don't think that bestiality is necessarily the worst thing that can happen 17:13 <@rattle> aestetix: Exactly. 17:13 < M0j0-j0j0> MaxieZ: way better than children 17:13 <@polerin> aestetix: or saying that gay people shouldn't have rights, that kind of thing :P 17:14 <@polerin> ron paul was bonkers on everything except iraq, and hell, you can get decent iraq policy elsewhere :P 17:14 <@rattle> When you talk about abolishing the fed.. How can I take anything seriously you say about regulating/fixing the health care industry? 17:15 <@wizardpc> rattle: that's easy. He doesnt think it's the governments job to do those things 17:15 <+Dagmar> heh 17:16 <+Dagmar> abolish the fed 17:16 <@scort> hi anyone use qemu? 17:16 <@rattle> What.. Like make sure the currency doesn't inflate 10% a year? 17:16 <@polerin> because, you know.. the free market has done such a good job :P 17:16 <@scort> vista keeps bsod in it 17:16 <@polerin> anyway. 17:16 <+Dagmar> That makes about as much sense as taking the bars out of a supermax facility 17:16 <@rattle> While we are at it, we should get rid of the FDA too. 17:16 <+Dagmar> "The prisoners will regulate themselves" 17:17 <+Dagmar> Sure, if you don't mind rivers of blood, they'll do just that. 17:17 <@rattle> And without the FCC we could curse on the radio, assuming we could find a frequency that shabby equipment was bleeding into... 17:17 <@rattle> wasn't bleeding into rather. 17:18 <@rattle> I don't really like government much. 17:18 <@rattle> But there are some things it does have to do. And appealing to my hate of government in order to get my vote, isn't a leadership style. It's a fucking foil. 17:18 <@rattle> I don't see O doing any of that. 17:19 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:19 * I-MOD just related obama to that anime Big O 17:19 < I-MOD> my brain needs to stop doing those things 17:19 <@wizardpc> YOu don't see "mandatory volunteerism" as a massive violation? 17:20 < I-MOD> mandatory volunteerism for what? that's a contradiction in terms/oxymoron anyway 17:21 <@rattle> Give me a reference for "mandatory volunteerism" other than Michelle Malkin... 17:22 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@74.203.138.130] has left #se2600 ["Leaving"] 17:25 <@rattle> See, I hear actual plans that sound kinda like government subsidized education in exchange for labor that qualifies as public service.. But I only hear shit like "mandatory volunteerism" out of pandering pundits. 17:26 <@rattle> Like, having graduated recently, and paid for it myself.. I kinda like the idea of being able to turn a month of fixing up schools in New Orleans into a semester of college. 17:26 <@rattle> Because if I didn't like that deal.. I could just get a fucking job. 17:26 < M0j0-j0j0> I'm not as happy now as I was at the end of the last Democratic run, but I'm in a better financial place.. but I think after 8 years or a democratic run I would have been in the same place financially 17:26 -!- tdc_vga [n=tdc_vga@75.149.103.177] has quit [] 17:27 < M0j0-j0j0> Robert Barr doesn't seem like a safe bet 17:27 <@wizardpc> rattle: when you say "paid for it myself" do you mean you had the cash laying around? Or that you took out federally subsidized student loans? 17:28 <@wizardpc> ~minilink http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/07/obamas_a_new_era_of_service_sp.html 17:28 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/realclearpolitics.com/4PfHf.html 17:28 <@rattle> I liquidated anything I had to liquidate. 17:28 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:29 <@wizardpc> so no student loans then? 17:29 < M0j0-j0j0> plasma 17:30 <@rattle> I cashed an accrued life insurance policy because there's no penalty on that.. And I even liquidated one IRA where I did. I took the piddling from pell grants.. And I still wind up better off percentage gain wise over 10 years then I would have paying current loan rates. 17:30 <@wizardpc> so you did get student loans then 17:31 <@rattle> When I did the math on that one, I actually started to get behind the idea of more government subsidy in education. 17:32 <@wizardpc> well since I can't get a "yes" or "no" out of you, I'm heading to dinner. 17:32 <@rattle> No. 17:32 <@rattle> I didn't do loans. 17:32 <@rattle> I just said it was cheaper to liquidate investments that are designed not to be liquidated. 17:32 <@rattle> As, they were all I had at that point. 17:33 <@rattle> Dare I steer this one into approaches to social security? 17:33 < M0j0-j0j0> does that still exist?! :) 17:34 <@rattle> There's that whole idea of the american dream.. That if you work hard, you will be able to provide your kids a better life than yours. 17:34 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: f' the kids 17:34 <@rattle> Like, as the base.. Not the best option. 17:34 * brimstone punches RIS 17:34 <@scort> ris 17:35 <@rattle> M0j0-j0j0: It kind of assumes you do better than your parents. I'm not seeing that right now... 17:35 <@rattle> When I look around at everyone I know 20-35, it's not that common. 17:36 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: nope... my mom has a ton of money.. I'm doin okay... but not as okay as she is 17:37 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: of course.. she was a software developer back before it was cool 17:37 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: of had a screen for that matter 17:37 < M0j0-j0j0> s/of/or/ 17:38 <@rattle> Also.. Keep in mind that the chunk of the country most of you are in right now would barely be livable by modern standards if the shit from FDR through the end of WWII wasn't done.. And today, we'd say something like that was on par with the kind of thing China does. 17:38 <@rattle> So, to bring it back around to what aestetix was asking my opinion on... 17:38 <@rattle> I see big differences between the type of motivation that Obama gets versus what Paul got. 17:39 < M0j0-j0j0> ... yeah.. the pudding is good 17:39 <@rattle> The ideas are more grounded in reality. 17:39 < M0j0-j0j0> and he's got Ophra 17:39 <@rattle> If anything, he is trying not to be firm as to keep what he says in line with that we actually do. 17:39 <@rattle> The direction is one I get get behind. 17:39 < M0j0-j0j0> Oprah 17:40 <@rattle> No New Taxes! No Nation Building! 17:41 <@rattle> He did screw up with the no preconditions for negotiation thing though.. That was a huge stupid. 17:44 < M0j0-j0j0> so, I'm part republican in that I think that people should work hard and pay for what they get or not get any more. Federal assistance for slackers should not exist and people should be ashamed that they want a free hand out from the government forever instead of going out and getting a job. That's what will eventually do us in is everyone bailing on debts and always having to have all the new toys without being willing to wait until they have saved up 17:45 <+Dagmar> So basically, you're against LLCs 17:45 < M0j0-j0j0> I'm part democrat in that I don't think that (so long as I'm not hurting anyone else) what I do is any of your business. And I do think that everyone needs a helping hand at some point and nobody should have to live a horrible life because of one bad mistake 17:45 <+Dagmar> Wow, playing with Chrome, this is kinda shameful 17:45 <+Dagmar> It renders *fast* 17:45 <@rattle> So, you think we shouldn't have property taxes and public schools. 17:46 <@rattle> And the cheap community universities should get not get the handouts that allow them to exist in the first place. 17:47 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 17:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 17:47 <@rattle> And rather than evolving these systems so that they come inline with the operations of the free market... 17:47 < M0j0-j0j0> I'm okay with property taxes... and I don't think that I should have to pay for public schools as I don't use them 17:47 <@rattle> ... you'd rather just assume that everyone's parents has a good $300,000k per child around to afford to bring them up right to age 24 where they can fend for themselves.. 17:49 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: if you're going to have kids... you should think about if you can afford them 17:49 <@rattle> And of course, that you make a few million over the course of your life so that you don't have to worry about treatment if you happen to get cancer or break your hip. 17:49 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: I have insurance.. and a lot of it 17:49 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: you should too 17:49 <@rattle> I do currently. 17:49 <@rattle> In the wake of the dot-com I didn't. 17:49 <@rattle> I was in debt for awhile when I broke my hand. 17:49 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: socialized medical care works well in Canada I guess... 17:50 <@rattle> It was a lousy thing to have happen while I was finishing up school.. 17:50 <@rattle> Canada's model has serious problems. 17:50 <@rattle> Taiwan, Briton, and France have them beat. 17:50 <@rattle> I like Taiwan's approach to how they got theirs.. 17:50 < M0j0-j0j0> France is awesome from what I hear 17:50 <@rattle> Less than 20 years ago, they had nothing. 17:51 <@rattle> It was pretty bad, as you'd expect.. 17:51 <@rattle> So they decided to put together a commission to look at what everyone else was doing... They put together something that works for them. 17:51 <@rattle> I at least know what we have isn't working for us. 17:51 <@rattle> It's a drag on the overall economy. 17:52 <@rattle> When people fall through the cracks, they become disporpornatrely expensive. 17:52 < M0j0-j0j0> and crazy 17:53 <@rattle> The person who can't afford insurance and gets lousy preventative care later shows up at an ER and winds up costing the overall economy way more money. 17:53 <@rattle> It's not that the free market doesn't work. It does. We got that figured out. 17:53 <@rattle> It's that you occasionally wind up with industry were the market isn't driving things in the right direction. 17:53 < M0j0-j0j0> maybe if you show up at the doctor and don't have insurance they should shoot you :) 17:53 <@rattle> The only thing powerful enough to step in there and re-allign shit is the government. 17:54 < M0j0-j0j0> everyone in the government has insurance 17:54 <@rattle> These days the conservative pundits, rather than acknowledge that, use the fear of it to drive their ratings. 17:54 < M0j0-j0j0> if it wasn't for PACs and special interests groups I doubt they would care 17:54 <+Dagmar> Oh wow. 17:54 <@scort> 17:54 <+Dagmar> CNN can't spell "imbedded" 17:54 <@scort> oic 17:55 <+Dagmar> "IMBEDDED GPS KEGS GO HIGH TECH" 17:55 <+Dagmar> er "IMBEDDED GPS CAN TRACK THEFT" now. 17:55 <+Dagmar> Hellooo-o-o-o spellcheck. 17:55 <@scort> no 17:55 < M0j0-j0j0> they was be the 3lite 17:55 <@scort> ibmiebibeebbedeed 17:56 <@rattle> The dems don't want socialized healthcare as much as they want to force the health care companies to realign their profit motivation. 17:56 <@rattle> In the same way that Taiwan came up with a system that worked for them... We need to take a pragmatic look at our own. 17:56 <@rattle> Nothing that isn't a free market based approach would work here. 17:57 <@rattle> These are already mostly public companies. 17:57 < M0j0-j0j0> free as in freedom 17:57 <@rattle> So, again, to bring it back around to what aesteix was asking about Paul.. When you talk about abolishing the fed, I loose the ability to take anything they say about the issue seriously. 17:58 < M0j0-j0j0> or free as in "hey I found this free candy bar just sitting on the sidewalk"? 17:58 <@rattle> Because the fed does a good job of not doing much, but making the banks play nice. 17:58 <+Dagmar> Who's Paul? 17:58 <@rattle> Ron Paul. 17:58 < M0j0-j0j0> Ron 17:58 <+Dagmar> Ah 17:59 < M0j0-j0j0> and what REALLY cheeses me off is when you give a tax refund to people based on the number of kids they have!!!! 18:00 < M0j0-j0j0> I don't have any kids ... which is my choice... I'm way to into me 18:00 <@rattle> Ron Paul isn't from reality. He's from Texas. That being said, I'm glad he is in The House. 18:00 < M0j0-j0j0> if someone else has kids.. that's the choice they made.. and since I'm already paying for schools I don't have kids in... why not give the money back to people that don't have kids at all?!?! 18:01 <@rattle> Did you know if you are in many countries overseas the state department will give you diapers for your kids? 18:02 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: I have a co-worker that is really into him... and I just don't get it... I mean.. we all watch the train wreck.. but I wouldn't have voted for it 18:02 < M0j0-j0j0> rattle: or people to come help you with the kid 18:04 < M0j0-j0j0> I think kids are the real drain on the system 18:14 -!- nightcarnage [n=nightcar@c-68-52-192-120.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:14 <@sdodson> kids suck stop breeding 18:15 < M0j0-j0j0> and if an accident happens... there's always Plan B 18:19 < M0j0-j0j0> back in high school I think this girl I was hittin it with got pregnant... and I think that she was the one that set me up for it... but then again.. she was a ho so it might not have been mine in the first place.. ... so then we talked about it and I told her that it was her body and she needed to do what she was going to do, but I didn't think that abortion was a good choice.. and she did it anyways.. which.. hind sight being what it is was really the b 18:20 < M0j0-j0j0> hell, I'm still not ready to be somebody's baby daddy 18:20 < M0j0-j0j0> maybe just somebody's daddy 18:21 < M0j0-j0j0> and now I'm old so I'm eventually going to be the creepy old man that hangs out all the time at the coffee shop 18:22 < M0j0-j0j0> speaking of being the creepy old man that hangs out at the coffee shop.....sdodson!! whazup! 18:22 < M0j0-j0j0> ;) 18:25 < M0j0-j0j0> this place gets all quiet when you're not talking about Palin wearing a black lace teddy snorting coke of her daughters new born love child 18:30 <@timoguin> anyone know of any online SMS services that have an API? 18:54 -!- remoford [n=remoford@75.149.100.253] has joined #se2600 18:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o remoford] by ChanServ 18:59 -!- ShadowHntr [i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 18:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 19:01 < M0j0-j0j0> alrighty kids.. time to go home 19:01 < M0j0-j0j0> geese 19:02 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@152.52.16.3] has left #se2600 [] 19:10 <@ShadowHntr> so far so good in the new job 19:10 <@ShadowHntr> think i'll be alright :D 19:10 < AstralSin> good to hear 19:11 < AstralSin> i wish hurricane season would hurry up and end, it directly effects how much bullshit i have to put up with at work 19:13 <@ShadowHntr> yeah me too 19:13 <@ShadowHntr> dad isn't going back till he gets the all clear 19:14 <@ShadowHntr> dad picked his location well in the capital area louisiana 19:14 <@ShadowHntr> his house was extremely close, but out of the evacuation zone 19:14 < AstralSin> ah 19:15 <@ShadowHntr> and his work sent him here with a laptop and orders not to work unless it's safe to do so 19:15 < AstralSin> very nice 19:15 <@ShadowHntr> yeap 19:16 <@ShadowHntr> wow 19:16 <@ShadowHntr> i'm doing background research into IBM's main products i'll be supporting 19:16 <@ShadowHntr> i think i'm in love with their Redbooks site 19:17 <@ShadowHntr> incredible documentation site 19:17 <@ShadowHntr> www.redbooks.ibm.com 19:17 < AstralSin> yeah, i looked at it the other day, impressive 19:17 <@ShadowHntr> tears Sun's docs site to shreds. 19:17 <+Dagmar> That's hard to do 19:18 < AstralSin> ok, i've got some ram to install in this machine, i'll bbl 19:18 <@ShadowHntr> good luck 19:18 -!- AstralSin [n=astralsi@97.81.135.22] has quit ["bbiab"] 19:27 -!- AstralSin [n=astralsi@97.81.135.22] has joined #se2600 19:27 < AstralSin> woo 19:27 * AstralSin just joined the 2gb club 19:27 < AstralSin> lets see how much ram firefox eats now 19:35 <@ShadowHntr> lol 19:35 < AstralSin> ahhh now my server 2k3 vm feels better 19:36 < AstralSin> sql server was hurtin with 256 mb ram dedicated to the whole vm 19:36 -!- nated0g [n=Nathan@74.221.8.176] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:40 <@ShadowHntr> yikes 19:52 -!- geoffscoffee [n=geoff@c-76-18-176-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:52 < geoffscoffee> evenin 19:55 <@SkyDog_> Yo. 19:55 <@SkyDog_> Your black bag is down here at HC. 19:55 <@aestetix> Hey 19:56 <+Dagmar> OKay, Chrome is just eerily fast 19:56 <@aestetix> Dagmar: link? 19:56 <@aestetix> I can haz download? 19:57 -!- nated0g [n=Nathan@74.221.8.176] has joined #se2600 19:58 <+Dagmar> Google Chrome 19:58 <+Dagmar> Google can't fail to find the beta for you 19:59 < geoffscoffee> DOH! I was soooo drunk that night 19:59 <@aestetix> does it run in linux? 20:00 * aestetix is just finding a bunch of exe links 20:00 < geoffscoffee> I believe Chrome is only windows 20:00 <+Dagmar> Sometimes you have to do more than click on the nidue girl thumbnails 20:02 <@aestetix> ok this would explain a lot 20:02 <@aestetix> everyone was downloading it, I was trying to figure out why I couldn't 20:02 <@brimstone> i could download it on my linux box, but i don't think i'm gonna run chrome 20:03 <@aestetix> I have it in virtualbox 20:03 < geoffscoffee> think it would run in WINE? 20:04 <+Dagmar> Possibly 20:04 <+Dagmar> I'd say give it a week or so for them to get the sources repo going 20:12 -!- cwire [n=chatzill@168.28.136.17] has joined #se2600 20:12 < AstralSin> i'm sure they'll release a linux port eventually, Google uses Linux on alot of their workstations 20:13 < AstralSin> http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html?hl=en 20:14 < nated0g> wow they are getting crap about sarah palins daughter ....off myspace 20:16 <@tzanger> heh they are decimating her integrity 20:16 < nated0g> and yes i got it off digg so that makes it not that much better 20:16 <+Dagmar> Yeah, the father of her baby is an idiot. 20:17 < geoffscoffee> you'd think a politician wouldn't let her duaghter do stuff like that 20:17 <+Dagmar> There's no easily hiding that 20:17 < geoffscoffee> hey, kids screw up 20:17 <+Dagmar> Yeah, so clearly a policy of teaching abstinence works wonders 20:19 < nated0g> kids fuck..its what they do 20:19 <@rattle> It's truly amazing how much god talk there is at the RNC convention. 20:19 < geoffscoffee> I was taught a lot by my parents, then screwed up anyway 20:19 < nated0g> if you tell them not to do it they do it twice of much 20:20 < nated0g> and maybe post it on facebook 20:20 <@rattle> Like, when they have W come up on the jumbotron, are they going to have folks pass out bread from the front of the room? 20:20 <+Dagmar> rattle: That's because that party has pretty much become the self-parody that Jello Biafra always said they were 20:20 <+Dagmar> rattle: I think they're trying very hard to *avoid* associating openly with W 20:21 <@rattle> W should send the secret service out with baskets of bread to hand to everyone. 20:21 <+Dagmar> I'm thinking that since they spent 34 MILLION on security there, they need someone who knows how to spend it 20:22 <@rattle> Maybe it's just my timing whenever I hear chunks.. But it's shockingly god heavy. 20:22 <+Dagmar> For a mere $650,000 you could distribute quarter bags to each and every protestor. 20:22 <+Dagmar> Problem solved. 20:23 <+Dagmar> rattle: No, that god-happy crowd is about the only people they've got going for them anymore 20:23 <+Dagmar> _That's_ why their talk seems god-heavy. 20:24 <+Dagmar> Palin's background is some scary shit when you dig 20:25 <+Dagmar> Although personally I think anyone who is pushing "teach the controversy" as an excuse to push intelligent design into *science class* shdoulnt' be allowed to direct traffic, let alone be VP 20:25 <+Dagmar> At first I thought picking her as a VP was just clueless and half-hearted but now I'm seeing it as a "circling the wagons" move to try to win on religious fervor along. 20:25 <@ShadowHntr> glad i'm not the only one who thinks this. 20:25 <@ShadowHntr> :) 20:25 <+Dagmar> s/along/alone/; 20:26 <+Dagmar> And basically, if they rig the election and win it, this country isn't going to be fit to live in anymore. 20:26 <+Dagmar> It'll become just as deranged by religion as Iraq 20:27 <@rattle> The "teach the controversy" approach at least leaves room for good teaching. If it was my lesson plan, the flying spaghetti monster would be in it too. 20:27 <+Dagmar> THe problem is, intelligent design isn't science 20:27 <+Dagmar> It's just a wedge so they can slip more dogma in 20:27 <@ShadowHntr> but of course, the FSM isn't "controversal" enough or some stupid excuse like that 20:27 <@rattle> Two are bullshit, one is not. 20:27 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@cpe-071-070-193-020.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 20:28 <+Dagmar> You really _can't_ teach it in Science classes without undermining the whole point of science. 20:28 <@ShadowHntr> yeap 20:28 <+Dagmar> Science == Scientific Inquiry. 20:28 -!- astralsin1 [n=astralsi@97.81.135.22] has joined #se2600 20:28 <+Dagmar> FSM is cool and all, but it won't stop them fucking things up 20:28 < M0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: star trek 20:29 < M0j0-j0j0> fsm is a good point 20:29 <+Dagmar> THey're too damn ignorant to see the FSM as being mockery that puts the lie to their story 20:29 <@rattle> Teaching how science wins over belief is completely necessary. 20:29 <+Dagmar> 'Cept that's not what's going to be in the curriculum 20:29 <@rattle> The earth being flat, sun orbiting around the earth, etc... 20:29 <+Dagmar> We already cover that with the whole Galileo spiel 20:30 <+Dagmar> You've seen the stickers these guys want on textbooks, right? 20:30 <@rattle> Eh? 20:30 <+Dagmar> ...saying "evolution is only a theory" 20:30 <+Dagmar> They're using the common use of the word "theory" to play a wordgame 20:31 <+Dagmar> You and I, knowing science, know that the Theory of Gravity is pretty much a fucking fact and is only still called a theory because we aren't quite sure what gravity is made of 20:31 <@ShadowHntr> yeap 20:31 <+Dagmar> The Theory of Intelligent Design is a postulate. 20:31 <@ShadowHntr> they're confusing theory and hypothesis 20:31 <@ShadowHntr> and even that's stretching it. 20:31 <+Dagmar> We should fucking start demanding they call it that, but I'm afraid the word is too big for them 20:32 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: both of them. 20:32 <@ShadowHntr> both of them apply 20:32 <+Dagmar> Yeah, but there's no _common use_ of the other term that contradicts it's scientific meaning 20:34 <+Dagmar> If someone says they have a theory about who shot someone, people know that it means the person has some *idea* of what happened, but no proof convincing enough to do anything about 20:34 <+Dagmar> The Theory of Evolution, we're pretty goddamn sure about. We're just missing pieces, but we know which pieces and we know why. 20:35 <+Dagmar> So, we can test the pieces we think are part of it, and we can define the parts we can't test, and we can see if anything contradicts those things. 20:35 <+Dagmar> That's scientific inquiry. 20:35 <+Dagmar> "Theory" of Intelligent Design is a postulate, not a theory. 20:35 -!- AstralSin [n=astralsi@97.81.135.22] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:35 <+Dagmar> It's proponents presume that it's validity is self evident. 20:35 <+Dagmar> There is no way to test it. 20:35 <+Dagmar> There is no way to prove or disprove it. 20:35 <+Dagmar> It does not involve any kind of _scientific_ rigor. 20:36 <+Dagmar> This is why it should never be taught in science class. 20:36 <+Dagmar> Sociology, sure. Let's load those kids up with all kinds of origin theories. 20:36 < astralsin1> god damn this peice of shit router, whats the best (affordable) hardware to put ddwrt on? 20:37 -!- astralsin1 [n=astralsi@97.81.135.22] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:37 -!- AstralSin [n=astralsi@97.81.135.22] has joined #se2600 20:37 < AstralSin> bah! 20:37 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: lol, check out m0n0wall, that may be better for your purpose. 20:37 <@ShadowHntr> www.m0n0.ch 20:38 < nated0g> wrt54g 20:38 <+Dagmar> I'd also like to point out that starting a few days before the DNC, the R's pretty much started spinning messages that would NOT hold up to any sort of response full time 20:38 < AstralSin> i've used monowall, i don't wanna have an extra pc running, i've got enough fans as it is 20:38 <@ShadowHntr> wasn't that a trick question? 20:38 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: i have it on a fanless converted thin client 20:39 < AstralSin> i don't have one of those :) 20:39 <+Dagmar> Basically, they've been making dimwitted comments to the press in settings that don't really allow any conflicting viewpoint 20:39 <@ShadowHntr> well, maybe one fan, but i can't hear it 20:39 < AstralSin> and by the time i buy one of those, i might as well just buy a router 20:39 <+Dagmar> This way they get to say whatever bullshit that they want to, without the risk of these statements being blown apart by actual debate 20:39 < AstralSin> besides, i want wireless and doing wireless on a monowall rig is a pain in the ass 20:39 <+Dagmar> ...and avoiding any and all conflict. 20:39 < AstralSin> if even possible 20:40 * geoffscoffee is all for Change, as long as they all LEAVE and don't send replacements 20:40 <@ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_Firmware 20:42 < AstralSin> yeah, i'm aware of tomato, but from what i've seen its not as mature as ddwrt 20:46 < geoffscoffee> this is appealing http://www.wired.com/culture/art/multimedia/2008/09/gallery_typewriter 20:56 -!- remoford [n=remoford@75.149.100.253] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:04 <@scort> http://help.lockergnome.com/general/Operating-Systems-Ran-Airlines-ftopict55751.html#408212 21:25 <@sdodson> hi 21:27 <@someninjamaster> sup geoffscoffee 21:28 <@sdodson> AstralSin: no ways, tomato is so much bettar than dd-wrt 21:28 <@sdodson> Dagmar: What's happen'n boss? 21:30 < AstralSin> its phrases like that that i tend not to listen to 21:30 < AstralSin> bedtime for me, laters 21:30 < geoffscoffee> night 21:30 < M0j0-j0j0> nite 21:32 <@sdodson> but tomato is more leeterest! 21:32 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: yeah... you really should keep your opinion to yourself because this isn't a forum for sharing ideas 21:32 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: my bad 21:32 <@sdodson> so how's the rnc going? 21:32 <@sdodson> I has no tvv 21:32 <@sdodson> That was a typo, not intentional retardation. 21:33 < geoffscoffee> tard 21:33 < M0j0-j0j0> ... I don't know what you're talking about... I have a tv.... but I download everything I watch.... mostly from the UK 21:34 <@sdodson> My fedora won't le tme watch that stuff 21:34 < M0j0-j0j0> yeah... my tv box is win2k 21:36 < M0j0-j0j0> I tried to run debian, but I got tired of configure; make; make install 21:36 -!- MudFlap_ [n=chatzill@c-98-193-131-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o MudFlap_] by ChanServ 21:36 < M0j0-j0j0> and codec issues 21:36 < M0j0-j0j0> and smb issues 21:36 <@brimstone> M0j0-j0j0: that's f'n hillarious 21:37 <@brimstone> "i tried to run debian, but i got tired of ./confiure; make; make install" 21:38 < M0j0-j0j0> well.. I run debian on my workstation and work laptop 21:38 <@sdodson> I run dot slash configure 21:38 <@brimstone> i run apt-get or m-a 21:38 <@timoguin> haha 21:38 <@sdodson> I run dem hoez 21:38 < M0j0-j0j0> can't get everything as a debian package 21:39 <@timoguin> It's pretty rare that you can't. 21:39 <@sdodson> I thought debian had like moar packages than any other distro 21:39 <@sdodson> Maybe FreeBSD holds that title 21:39 <@timoguin> Certainly not often enough to tire of compiling manually. 21:39 <@brimstone> the only things i've compiled on a debian box is our programs 21:40 <@brimstone> that's cuz debian's ones are pretty out of date and have extra patches 21:40 < M0j0-j0j0> all of them are pretty out of date 21:40 <@brimstone> get out of "stable" 21:41 <@brimstone> sid is pretty current 21:41 <@brimstone> experimental is where all the cool kids live 21:41 <@brimstone> right sdodson? 21:41 <@timoguin> Cool kids meaning the ones who like it when their shit breaks all the time. 21:41 <@brimstone> i rarely have problems with "broken" stuff in sid 21:41 <@rattle> Hey, go to the gopconvention2008.com website. Click on the arrows for the spinny thingie on the page. Keep clicking them really fast.. 21:42 <@brimstone> i get hit with a bad package every now and then though 21:42 < M0j0-j0j0> I run all of them, but even experimental is behind 21:42 <@rattle> After awhile, you can get three McCains and win a million dollars! 21:42 <@timoguin> brimstone: Is sid experimental? 21:42 <@brimstone> timoguin: nope, sid is just unstable 21:42 <@timoguin> That's what I thought. 21:42 <@brimstone> unstable means the packages are unstable, not the code 21:42 <@brimstone> experimental means anything goes 21:42 <@timoguin> Err... I didn't mean for that to seem like I was asking if sid as a whole was unstable. 21:43 <@timoguin> I know how the stable/testing etc. repositories work. 21:43 <@brimstone> wait, then what was the question? 21:43 <@timoguin> I just don't know the names of the Debian releases and which correspond to superstable/stable/testing. 21:44 <@brimstone> ah, ok, stable = etch, testing = lenny, unstable = sid 21:44 <@brimstone> lenny will be stable in a few months, etch will be old stable, but sid will still be unstable 21:44 * timoguin nods 21:45 * brimstone <3 him some debian 21:45 <@timoguin> <-- Hardy 21:45 <@timoguin> I installed Vista last night too. Yay! 21:46 <@brimstone> i tried to do that in virtualbox 21:46 <@brimstone> it went... ok 21:46 <@timoguin> I was having trouble with XP installation because it couldn't see my drive. 21:47 <@brimstone> nlite ftw 21:47 <@timoguin> And I didn't feel like fucking with slipstreaming. 21:47 <@brimstone> slipstream you some drivers 21:47 <@sdodson> vlite! 21:47 <@brimstone> yay vlite! 21:47 <@brimstone> i've not messed with vlite yet 21:47 <@timoguin> Problem is I don't know what drivers I need. 21:47 <@sdodson> vlite only works on vista so i dunno 21:47 <@timoguin> Ever tried to find drivers on the Asus website? 21:47 <@sdodson> i don't want to install vista just to make a vlite disc 21:47 <@brimstone> not on purpose 21:47 <@brimstone> timoguin: i've had good luck driverpacks.net though 21:48 <@timoguin> Oh cool. 21:48 <@timoguin> I'll have to bookmark that. 21:48 <@scort> vista in vm = fail 21:48 < I-MOD> vista at all = fail 21:49 <@scort> well yeah 21:49 <@scort> it keeps bsod'in with diff msgs 21:49 <@timoguin> As much as I've messed with Vista, I've not really had any problems. 21:49 <@timoguin> I don't expect much out of a windows machine. 21:49 <@scort> you didn't use it long enough 21:50 <@sdodson> I didn't have any problems with the betas. 21:50 <@timoguin> If I install windows it's usually for compatibility with a program or two. 21:50 <@timoguin> In this case I needed ActiveX, Rosetta Stone, Windows Mobile Device Center, and Office 2003. 21:50 <@sdodson> I runs me some windars in my lab. 21:51 <@timoguin> I got sick of trying to sync my pocket pc with evolution. 21:51 <@timoguin> And I have to review Office to test out of a class. 21:52 <@timoguin> Why do I feel like a dumbass when trying to "design a query" in Access? 21:52 <@timoguin> I stare at it thinking, "Where's the prompt!?" 21:52 <@sdodson> timoguin: there's an sql view 21:54 <@timoguin> How do I get to it? 21:54 <@scort> sdodson, is always so kind and helpful 21:54 <@sdodson> I don't know. 21:55 <@sdodson> It seemed fairly intuitive in access 2003 21:55 <@sdodson> probably under the view menu when designing a query. 21:56 <@timoguin> All I have under the query menu is create using design view and create using wizard. 21:58 <@timoguin> ah found it. 21:58 <@sdodson> where was it? 21:58 <@timoguin> create in design view then client view > sql view 21:59 <@timoguin> s/client/click/ 21:59 <@scort> s/client/click/cunt/cripple 22:00 <@sdodson> scort: play nice 22:00 <@scort> i am 22:01 <@scort> i thought we were thinking up of a list of words that begin with the letter c 22:01 <@timoguin> calamari. 22:01 <@timoguin> mmm... 22:02 <@SkyDog_> chimiganga 22:02 <@sdodson> SkyDog_: stoner 22:02 <@SkyDog_> who? me? 22:03 <@sdodson> SkyDog_: Yes you! 22:03 <@timoguin> Couldn't be! 22:03 <@SkyDog_> nah. 22:04 <@sdodson> whoah, i just discovered forward and backward page buttons on my lapotp 22:04 <@sdodson> that saves me pressing alt-< alt -> 22:04 <@timoguin> Mine are really functional. You have to press the Function key. 22:05 <@scort> wheres the fucktion key 22:05 <@timoguin> I usually just use backspace to go back. 22:05 <@scort> ^H^H^H^H^H^H 22:05 <@timoguin> Okay, so I really like this Most Visited pages thing that Chrome is doing. 22:06 <@scort> firefox was doing the same thing in the address bar 22:06 <@timoguin> yea... no. 22:07 <@scort> wtf is that diff 22:07 <+Dagmar> timoguin: It's sick that this is their idea of a beta 22:08 <+Dagmar> "Oh yeah we'll just casually drop a browser that will make you wonder what the fuck you were using Mozilla for" 22:08 <+Dagmar> Damn them 22:08 <@sdodson> don't use it, it's a trap! 22:08 <@scort> does flash work with it? 22:08 <@scort> cuz firefox fucking blows with flash 22:08 <@scort> i needed more f words in that sentence 22:09 -!- scort was kicked from #se2600 by sdodson [fool] 22:09 < geoffscoffee> night all 22:10 <@timoguin> Dagmar: haha, yea. I've only been using it for about 30 mins. 22:10 <@timoguin> But I fucking like it. 22:10 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 22:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o scort] by ChanServ 22:10 <@scort> ... 22:10 <@timoguin> I like the way all the toolbar shit is moved to the right of the address bar so it doesn't take up any vertical real estate. 22:11 * scort loads up winxp in a vm 22:11 <@scort> the smp option doesn't work with my shit 22:12 <@sdodson> is it xp pro? 22:12 <@scort> yes 22:13 <@sdodson> timoguin, Dagmar : you get it to compile in linux? 22:13 <@scort> no it is fail 22:13 -!- geoffscoffee [n=geoff@c-76-18-176-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:13 <@scort> wtf is it called 22:13 <@scort> i forgot already, im too stoned for this 22:13 <@ShadowHntr> virtualbox? 22:13 <@ShadowHntr> :P 22:14 <@scort> no 22:14 <@scort> the google browser 22:14 <@sdodson> scort: chrome 22:14 <@scort> how do i download it since it knows im using linux 22:15 <@sdodson> i do not know 22:15 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has quit ["gone!"] 22:16 <@timoguin> sdodson: Haven't tried. 22:16 <+Dagmar> l.. I run debian on my workstation and work laptop 22:16 <@timoguin> I'm running it on vista. 22:17 <@scort> im sorry 22:18 <@timoguin> scort: spoof the user agent. 22:19 <@scort> http://gears.google.com/chrome/eula.html?hl=en 22:19 < M0j0-j0j0> scort: or download it off a p2pnetwork 22:24 -!- MudFlap_ [n=chatzill@c-98-193-131-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 22:25 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has joined #se2600 22:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o JimShoe] by ChanServ 22:26 -!- ShadowHntr [i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["End of line."] 22:30 <+Dagmar> Oh for FUCKS sake 22:30 <+Dagmar> The protesters are FINALLY figureing out that there's provocateurs involved 22:31 <@tzanger> Dagmar: eh? 22:35 <+Dagmar> Okay, so, what coverage I was seeing from the RNC protesters yesterday was naieve as fuck 22:35 <+Dagmar> Out of 10,000 protestors, suddenly a bunch of them wearing masks and hoodies and dressed in black start smashing stuff? 22:36 <+Dagmar> ...when "the word" that was put out was that there wasn't supposed to be anything like that 22:36 <@sdodson> naive 22:36 <+Dagmar> Now, add to this that the leaked republican documents as well as other sources said that there's _spies_ who have infiltrated these protest groups 22:37 <+Dagmar> How fucking stupid do you have to be to not accept the possibilty, hell, have it just LEAP to the front of your mind that there were probably agent provocateurs in that 22:38 <+Dagmar> I'm going to go smoke a cigarette. This pisses me off that much. 22:38 <+Dagmar> FUCK THE REPUBLICANS 22:38 <@sdodson> teenage angst is so hot 22:38 <+Dagmar> No group that I know of has EVER done SO MUCH to piss and shit on the Constitution 22:39 <@sdodson> I'm sure there's an example of the dems doing the same, but i can't think of it. 22:40 <@timoguin> Well, you know what I hate? 22:41 <@scort> sdodson, i have lots of angst 22:41 <@timoguin> When you get a payment confirmation number via an automated payment system and the last number sounds like "bleeeehgg" 22:41 <@timoguin> "TWO FOUR TWO ZERO EIGHT EIGHT ZERO ZERO FREEH" 22:42 <@scort> five 22:42 <@timoguin> You never add anything to the conversation, and I hate you. 22:43 <@scort> that's what it sounds like 22:43 <@scort> i hate you more, just to let you know 22:43 <@scort> and you weren't the first person, i hated you first 22:48 -!- TdC_VgA [n=NONE@c-69-247-143-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:56 <+Dagmar> Wow. Wired has gotten just a little *too* into Chrome 22:57 <+Dagmar> You almomst get the feeling their editors are sitting at home with Chrome loaded on their computers, and just furiously masturbating. 22:57 <+Dagmar> No actual porn on the screen, just a blank browser page. 22:57 <@scort> how come 23:00 < I-MOD> haha 23:01 < I-MOD> only xpsp2 and later 23:01 < I-MOD> i can't even install chrome on my beast of a system 23:01 < I-MOD> because i still refuse to install sp2 23:02 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@cpe-071-070-193-020.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["nite"] 23:02 <@scort> why you not install sp2? 23:02 <@scort> pirated copy? 23:04 <@sdodson> I-MOD: why do you refuse sp2? 23:05 <@scort> it's probably way faster 23:07 <@sdodson> scort: pre sp2? 23:08 <@scort> yeah 23:08 <@scort> cuz it doesn't have all the patches that slow it down because NT is a peice of shit 23:10 <@sdodson> scort: why? 23:10 <@scort> because microsoft built it 23:10 -!- CRasH180 [n=No@c-69-245-18-6.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:11 <@sdodson> scort: i have to agree with timoguin, you add nothing to conversation here 23:11 <+Dagmar> Running XP but _not_ installing SP2 is about as sensible as buying dope, but not smoking it. 23:11 <@scort> i dont add anything to any conversation 23:11 <@timoguin> Dagmar: Say NO to drugs! 23:12 <+Dagmar> Yeah but the point being if you're going to do something dumb, at least don't half-ass your way through it. 23:12 <+Dagmar> 'cuz we all know what people think of the guy who says "But I didn't inhale" 23:12 <@scort> i wanna hook up an unpatch xp 23:12 <@sdodson> Is XP sp2 even supported by MSFT now? 23:12 <@scort> and lbow up the world 23:13 < I-MOD> Dagmar, last time i installed sp2, my machine started rebooting randomly 23:13 <+Dagmar> Welcome to Windows. 23:14 < I-MOD> like....once a day 23:14 < I-MOD> annoyed the piss out of me 23:14 < I-MOD> removed sp2, everything fixed 23:15 <@scort> talk about holding a grudge 23:30 <@scort> ware has ware been? 23:31 <@brimstone> russia 23:31 <@brimstone> lost a bet 23:31 <@brimstone> got deported 23:35 <@scort> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2667634/The-Clbuttic-Mistake-When-obscenity-filters-go-wrong.html 23:37 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-29-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 23:38 <+Dagmar> ~minilink 23:38 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/co.uk/uGTYB.html 23:38 <+Dagmar> Don't look now scort, but you may have just contributed positively to the channel. 23:38 <@scort> i tried really hard 23:39 <@scort> not to 23:42 -!- jb7od_ [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 23:42 -!- jb7od [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:44 <@timoguin> scort: ware got pissy at whoever he gets pissy at and left the channel. 23:44 <@scort> was it me? 23:44 <@timoguin> who knows? 23:44 <@scort> where the fuck does he hang out 23:45 <@timoguin> At work, in his kayak, in his bedroom. 23:46 <@sdodson> Dagmar: lies 23:46 <@scort> i just wanna buttbuttinate him sometimes 23:49 <@someninjamaster> guess who owns wareisapussy.info 23:51 <@scort> James Richey 23:51 <@timoguin> Who the fuck is that? 23:51 < CRasH180> is he on the internet in his kayak? 23:52 <@someninjamaster> who indeed 23:52 <@tzanger> not who, ware :-) 23:52 <@scort> 6154150453 23:52 <@scort> info drop 23:52 <@someninjamaster> damn 23:53 <@tzanger> I-MOD: why do you refuse to install sp2 23:53 <@someninjamaster> i didnt recall them asking for that 23:53 <@scort> whois wareisapussy.info 23:53 <@timoguin> How'd you figure out how to do that? 23:54 <@someninjamaster> oh wonderful they insert the billing info 23:54 <@someninjamaster> fucking assholes 23:54 <@timoguin> ihatecoil.com is available. 23:54 <@scort> nice 23:54 <@scort> can i have an email at that plz 23:55 <@timoguin> Sure. 23:56 <@sdodson> someninjamaster: you wish ware ill? 23:56 <@someninjamaster> no 23:57 <@someninjamaster> it just seemed funny at the time 23:57 <@scort> and that time has passed 23:57 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-29-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:59 <@sdodson> scort: lolz funny --- Log closed Wed Sep 03 00:00:06 2008