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00:09 <@NotLarry> night kids
00:12 <@ware> yay
01:12  * juice wishes he was at defcon
01:18 <@ware> yuh
01:21 <@Corydon76-dig> juice: I wish you were at defcon, too
01:30 <@Evilpig> i'm at defcon
01:30 <@Evilpig> there are tutties here right now too
01:30 <@Evilpig> tittites too
01:30 <@Evilpig> fuck i give up
01:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: we all know you're thinking of me the entire time...
01:33 <@Evilpig> skydog is on table stripping with the strippers!
01:34 <@juice> heh
01:34 <@juice> sysmin having a party this year?
01:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Tap him on the nose and say "down boy"
01:34 <@Evilpig> we have mant pics
01:35 <@Corydon76-dig> blackmail pics, you mean?
01:37 <@Evilpig> something like that
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01:42 <@wontonjoe> Hi there kids how are ya
01:42 <@wontonjoe> good to be back
01:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Evening, wonton
01:45 <@wontonjoe> Hi how are ya?
01:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Not too bad
01:48 <@wontonjoe> well thats good to hear, next month needs to get here im ready for pn
01:49 <@Corydon76-dig> That's two months away yet
01:50 <@wontonjoe> ah youre right, im off a month lol
01:51 <@juice> wontonjoe, you make defcon?
01:51 <@wontonjoe> I wish, if I were to blow off my job ive got the money to fly there right now, but after admission id be broke
01:51 <@juice> yeah I didn't amke it either
01:51 <@wontonjoe> and id be in a mess when i got back
01:52 <@wontonjoe> Ive had to fix a lot of things this year, next im most likely going to resume cons, pn will most likely be my only one this year
01:52 <@juice> wontonjoe, I got a new job 3 months ago
01:52 <@wontonjoe> cool, what do you do now?
01:53 <@juice> working at 1&1 Internet Inc Data Center in Lenexa Ks as Data Center Technician
01:53 <@wontonjoe> nothing wrong with that, i still work at a noc on the weekend, i get 40 hours and have all week off
01:53 <@juice> cool
01:54 <@juice> this week I am off until thursday
01:54 <@juice> I work thursday Friday sat and sun night
01:54 <@juice> so I get a mini vacation
01:54 <@wontonjoe> ya I dont like the third shift thing, but I have a feeling that along with a lot of other things is going to change very much soon
01:55 <@juice> wontonjoe, yeah I been trying to avoid over nights also
01:55 <@juice> mainly because I can't sleep much
01:55 <@juice> I basically sleep like I was workin 2nd
01:55 <@juice> only I go to bed later
01:55 <@wontonjoe> I sent my boss an email last week telling him pretty much im being ignored need more money and want off this wretched shift
01:55 <@juice> but get up at the same time
01:55 <@juice> ic
01:55 <@wontonjoe> he said we would talk today, then he got sick
01:56 <@juice> ic
01:56 <@wontonjoe> apparently he somehow got the flu after using a cpap machine without water? i was told
01:57 <@wontonjoe> I take a motorcycle everywhere now, and am pretty much ready to get out of the south or change what im doing here completely
01:57 <@wontonjoe> its been a hell of a few months
01:58 <@juice> hmm
01:59 <@juice> well I am going to bed I was up til 6am last night
01:59 <@juice> need some sleep
01:59 <@wontonjoe> damn, ya probably not a bad idea
01:59 <@juice> i slept like 6am-12am
01:59 <@juice> err
01:59 <@juice> 12pm
02:00 <@wontonjoe> ah
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02:29 <@wontonjoe> who trolls here late nights these days?
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04:54 <@wontonjoe> anyone around?
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09:43 <@sdodson> hi there how are you?!
09:45 <@ware> oh hai dun fien
09:47 <@sdodson> good good
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11:32 < MaxieZ> test
11:33 < MaxieZ> web based javascript irc
11:33 < AstralSin> cool
11:33 < AstralSin> is it pretty flexible?
11:33 < AstralSin> like, connect to whatever server/channel you want?
11:34 < AstralSin> oh, its mibbit
11:34 < AstralSin> nm
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11:44 < aestetix> hey
11:45 < AstralSin> hey
11:46 < AstralSin> i'm gonna try to work on that css today
11:50 <@ware> whichin
11:50 < AstralSin> nunya
11:50 <@ware> http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-38794-108.html
11:50 <@ware> you see that yet fagmo
11:50 < AstralSin> man, i am drinkin some bangin tea right now
11:50 <@ware> yeah thats called jizz homo
11:51 <@ware> the sweet sex nectar
11:51 < AstralSin> no, queer, i'm not drinking man tea
11:51 < AstralSin> yes, i saw that earlier
11:51 < AstralSin> thats funny
11:52 < AstralSin> don't fuckin try to hack the convention where the best security professionals in the world are all congregated
11:52 < AstralSin> they will pwn you
11:52 < AstralSin> and make you look really really bad in the process
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11:57 < TheLightCosine> morning all
11:58 < AstralSin> hiya
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12:02 < aestetix> hey
12:02 < aestetix> anyone at defcon right now?
12:02 < aestetix> what's their badge like?
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12:02 < MaxieZ> Circuite board with IF sdcard, usb
12:03 <@aestetix> i mean
12:03 <@aestetix> what can you do with it
12:03 <@aestetix> I've heard *nothing*
12:03 <@aestetix> what kinds of mods have people done
12:03 < MaxieZ> Copy files and it has tvbegone programmed into it
12:03 < MaxieZ> I haven't heard of anything done by an attendee yet.  I'm planning on goofing off with it when I get home
12:04 <@aestetix> the underlying question: how does it compare to the HOPE badge? :)
12:04 < MaxieZ> Didn't go to hope...sorry
12:04 <@aestetix> damn
12:04 < MaxieZ> Tv be gone is kind of cool
12:05 < TheLightCosine> wow some of the phreaknic poster submissions so far are really awesome
12:05 <@aestetix> yeah
12:05 <@aestetix> It's a nice concept
12:05 <@aestetix> Actually, mitch (the guy who created it) was responsible for ordering the badges for HOPE
12:06 < MaxieZ> I thought Kingpin created them
12:06 <@aestetix> not for HOPE
12:06 <@aestetix> Kingpin made the DefCon badges
12:07 < MaxieZ> ok
12:11 < MaxieZ> I like the red one and the one with GB attacking
12:13 < MaxieZ> Though the red one would make a better poster/t-shirt
12:14 < TheLightCosine> i like the first 3 alot, the others are kind of eh..
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12:15 < TheLightCosine> althoguht countdown is kinda neat too
12:15 < TheLightCosine> i think the one that looks like the old sci-fi horror poster(the third one) is a rather cool one
12:15 < MaxieZ> I like the third one too.  Not the first though...not sure why...just doesn't speak to me.
12:16 < MaxieZ> The problem with the third is there are no aliens :)
12:16 < TheLightCosine> the red one would definately make good merch though
12:16 < TheLightCosine> the aliens are implied =)
12:16 < MaxieZ> and of course it should say phreakinc x0c
12:17 < TheLightCosine> heh
12:17 < MaxieZ> See if Defcon had that kind of forethought this would be defcon x10
12:17 < MaxieZ> But noooo...it's just 16
12:17 < TheLightCosine> lol
12:19 < TheLightCosine> I am eagerly awaitng the schedule announcment for pn 0x0c, I just hope that it won't be like some issues of the 2600 where I see three presentations on cracking wep and 4 on netcat =P
12:21 < MaxieZ> frodor (nmap guy) announced ncat which is netcat on crack
12:21 < MaxieZ> like socat, but a bit better
12:22 < R3d2Dawn> Hey all
12:22 < MaxieZ> Howdy
12:23 < AstralSin> i've always wanted to write a password cracking app and call it buttcrack
12:23 < MaxieZ> heh
12:23 < AstralSin> and include it in a security suite called taint
12:23 < MaxieZ> It doesn't even have to be good with a name like that
12:24 < AstralSin> have a tunneling app called scrotun
12:24 < MaxieZ> pen testing called....
12:24 < R3d2Dawn> I am not sure about you all, but I find this very offensive
12:24 < R3d2Dawn> http://www.jayssite.com/stuff/childhacker/childhacker.html
12:24 < R3d2Dawn> Apparently if you like Linux or Quake it makes you a Hacker
12:25 < AstralSin> R3d2Dawn: dude, that thing is OLD
12:26 < R3d2Dawn> yes apparently sow
12:26 < TheLightCosine> hahaha
12:26 < MaxieZ> totally lost.  I'm not running java, but on me it just says "Your computer is delicious"
12:26 < TheLightCosine> this article is hilarious
12:27 < TheLightCosine> not wanting to use AOL is a sign you're a hacker
12:27 < TheLightCosine> bahahahaha
12:28 < AstralSin> if you play quake, you're a hacker
12:28 <@Dagmar> Okay, this is nice and suspicious.
12:28 < MaxieZ> Good..what does warcraft do to you?
12:28 <@Dagmar> Go to Google.  Enter "Firefox" in the search box.
12:28 <@Dagmar> Look at the first sponsored link... LOOKS like it goes to www.mozilla.com, right?
12:28 <@Dagmar> Click on it.
12:28 < TheLightCosine> apparently, bonzai buddy is a hacker program hahaha
12:28 <@aestetix> damn
12:29 <@aestetix> there are some badass artwork submissions
12:29 < AstralSin> Dagmar: thats why i never click on ad links :)
12:29 < AstralSin> except everyone should click the links on my site because they're all legit
12:29 < AstralSin> *wink*
12:29 <@Dagmar> AstralSin: That is shows www.mozilla.com but goes to www.download-browser.cn is a serious problem
12:30 < TheLightCosine> this article is a joke right? nobody could seriously beleive that crap
12:30 < TheLightCosine> heh mozilla got google-jacked?
12:30 < R3d2Dawn> Does anyone have a copy of "The Internet Encyclopedia Vol 1"? I have Vol 2 & 3
12:30 < AstralSin> Dagmar: not much you can do about it, other than contact Google, but see what that does for you
12:30 < R3d2Dawn> but lost Vol 1
12:31 < MaxieZ> And then we have to ask the legality of that
12:31  * polerin goes back to watch the 40kg womens judo from last night
12:31 < MaxieZ> polerin: hawt
12:32 <@polerin> heh
12:32 <@polerin> wow that match was all of 30 seconds
12:32 < MaxieZ> Sometimes that's all it takes ;)
12:32 <@polerin> Kasackstan just beat the hell out of france
12:32 <@polerin> lol
12:33 < MaxieZ> at least that's what I tell my wife
12:33 <@polerin> which explains a lot
12:35 <@polerin> I can't wait for the tkd
12:35 <@polerin> it's going to be awesome
12:36 < TheLightCosine> hmm, the NVIDIA Quadro FX 3600M costs $100 more than the 8800M GTX but has worse benchmark results
12:36 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: It's not just getting jacked.
12:36 <@Dagmar> It's that the ad shows a URL that the link DOES NOT GO TO.
12:36 < TheLightCosine> wow....am I lagging that badly?
12:37 <@Dagmar> THAT is a *major* issue
12:37 <@polerin> ...
12:37 <@polerin> root@
12:37 <@polerin> tell me you're not ircing as fucking root
12:37 < TheLightCosine> lol polerin
12:38 < TheLightCosine> no i'm on my windows box right now =P
12:39 < TheLightCosine> i told mirc that I am root@$rand.com
12:40 < MaxieZ> I think they put the link as part of their description.  You (or I will if you want) should report it to goole.
12:40 < MaxieZ> polerin: Yeah I am
12:41 < MaxieZ> I'm at defcon on a backtrack cd
12:41 < TheLightCosine> oh lord...laaaag
12:41 <@polerin> no I was talking about light
12:41 < MaxieZ> Oh damn
12:41 <@Dagmar> Maxiez: I just fired off emails to abuse@mozilla.com and abuse@gmail.com (cuz I know it gets checked faster)
12:41 < MaxieZ> Coolio
12:41 <@Dagmar> I'm also going to dig through the adwords docs and see if I cna't find a direct email to report it to
12:42 < MaxieZ> From the xchat start up: Running IRC as root is stupid! You should
12:42 < MaxieZ>   create a User Account and use that to login.
12:43 < MaxieZ> I found skydog last night....Still hadn't seen catonic or wilpig
12:44 < MaxieZ> ~seen shadow404
12:44 <+MxZBot> MaxieZ: i haven't seen 'shadow'
12:44 <@polerin> MaxieZ: I know you well enough to assume there's something else behind it.  Light on the other hand I don't know from jill
12:44 < TheLightCosine> jill?
12:44 <@polerin> I don't know any jacks
12:44 <@polerin> :)
12:44 < TheLightCosine> i always heard it "from adam"
12:44 < TheLightCosine> wait...
12:44 < TheLightCosine> am i not lagging now?
12:45 <@Dagmar> Fucking ping yourself and find out.
12:45 <@Dagmar> This is Freenode
12:46 <@Dagmar> We don't have multi-minute network traversal times for messages here.
12:46 <@polerin> ... most of the time
12:46 <@ware> YES WE DO
12:46 <@ware> CAN WE BUILD IT? YES WE CAN!
12:46 <@polerin> though netsplits have been getting more common
12:46 <@Dagmar> You can pretty much assume that your ping time to the server you're connected to is going to be pretty reasonable indication of if you're lagged or not.
12:46 < TheLightCosine> lol, well at leats i haven't seen a net-split happen here so far
12:46 < TheLightCosine> oh...well crap
12:47 <@polerin> nowhere near as bad as on other places, but stil
12:47 <@polerin> l
12:47 < TheLightCosine> DALnet got terrible around the time i quit going
12:47 <@Dagmar> polerin: I have never seen Freenode opers leave a server-server link in the same mega-lagged state that I've seen on EFnet Undernet and DALnet
12:48  * polerin n ods
12:48 <@polerin> I remeber undernet ;P
12:48 <@Dagmar> I strongly suspect that they've got something set up to start working on things the moment more than a certain number of seconds of lag are detected
12:48 < MaxieZ> and when Freenode has problems they tell you why and they're working on it.
12:48 <@polerin> ... I'm not bashing freenode!
12:48 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: There is a degree to which this particular IRC network is the polar opposite of DALnet.... We have the *most* technically clued network admins and infrastructure here.
12:48 <@polerin> gah, just saying I've seen it before and recently.  Not for a long time, but still
12:48 < MaxieZ> I was just giving them a thumbs up :)
12:49 <@polerin> woh they just switched to the mens 60kg
12:49 <@ware> freenode sux
12:49 <@polerin> that was weird.. I look up and am like .. "ok I know that gi's aren't exactly the most flattering peice of clothing, but that looks like a guy
12:49 <@ware> we should move to efnet
12:50 < TheLightCosine> yes, well DALnet was kind of a haven for the shrotbus IRCops
12:50 < MaxieZ> You know, my web host (nac.net) has started sending an ungoodly amount of "maintenance" and "issues" emails.  I've read them and they're usually minor shit, but getting 2-3 "we fucked up emails" a week is disheartening
12:50 <@ware> irc.vel.net
12:51 <@ware> umich.edu
12:51 < MaxieZ> polerin: At least you stopped spanking it in time :)
12:51 <@polerin> oh yeah, because judo is where I go for spankage.
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12:53 < TheLightCosine> boy i hope that gets selected as polerin's irctstats random quote
12:54 <@polerin> oh hon, I've said far worse things than that over the years
13:00 <@aestetix> I fucked your abortion.
13:00 <@aestetix> there you go. That's way worse.
13:01 <@polerin> I said worse, not "absurdist insults"
13:02 <@aestetix> But this is me we're talking about.
13:02 <@ware> TheLightCosine: polerin is a chick w dick
13:02 <@ware> just fyi
13:03 <@aestetix> ware: at least she doesn't fuck goats and sheep
13:03 <@ware> he*
13:03 <@ware> and i dont
13:04 <@aestetix> Uh.
13:04 <@ware> dont you have a pencil to be shoving up your ass or something?
13:04 <@aestetix> You really know nothing about gender, do you?
13:04 <@ware> a dude is a dude
13:04 <@ware> regardless what they want to believe
13:04 <@ware> some are just more fucked up than otherds
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13:05 <@ware> he has me on ignore
13:05 <@aestetix> I might have to do that too.
13:05 <@aestetix> Because at the moment you're being an ignorant douchehole.
13:06 <@ware> do it up baby
13:06 <@aestetix> No more ware.
13:06 <@polerin> did he do something that makes me glad I have him on ignore?
13:07 <@aestetix> polerin: you probably have to put up with that shit a loot.
13:07 <@aestetix> lot*
13:07 <@polerin> less than you think
13:07 <@polerin> most people even if they are twits keep it to themself for the sake of propriety
13:08 <@aestetix> This is ware we're talking about.
13:08 <@polerin> as I said, he's on ignore and has been that way for over a year now
13:08 <@polerin> anyhow
13:08 <@polerin> this dood from Georgia was bouncing off of his opponents back as a way to keep from getting tossed for a shoulder throw
13:09 <@polerin> that was weird
13:10 <@Dagmar> I finally put coil on ignore.
13:10 <@Dagmar> The channel seems much nicer now.
13:10 <@aestetix> I should do that.
13:11 <@Dagmar> He's still looking for ways to try and piss me off tho'.
13:11 <@aestetix> Man I probably used to be an annoying bitch.
13:11 <@aestetix> If these kids are any indication.
13:11 <@polerin> aestetix: yes, you did
13:11 <@polerin> heh
13:11 <@Dagmar> So I'm thinking perhaps at PhreakNIC, if he comes, I should just give him a kick in the nuts to make it clear to him that this sort of behaviour isn't acceptable.
13:11 <@aestetix> polerin: then I got consumed by cool projects
13:11 <@polerin> I'm thinking it's more along the lines of "You grew up a little bit"
13:12 <@ware> kids, haha
13:12 <@ware> i love how theres a definite split here
13:12 <@aestetix> heh
13:12 <@ware> normal ppl seem to get along fine
13:15 <@polerin> heh, the scorekeeper just misentered the score (I think...)
13:15 <@polerin> it's showing as 101- 1
13:15 <@polerin> it should be 11 - 1
13:16 <@polerin> I don't think that you can get 100 in one swoop in judo without winning the match
13:17 < MaxieZ> I know nothing about Judo other than it uses a lot of throws
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13:20 <@polerin> hey goat :)
13:20 < Goat_HM> heya
13:22 <@polerin> I guess not.. it WAS supposed to be 101
13:22 <@polerin> weird, I thought that would end the match
13:23 < Goat_HM> aarrgg...bored
13:23 <@polerin> watch judo
13:23 < Goat_HM> i'm not in a 'watching' mood
13:23 <@polerin> learn judo
13:24 < Goat_HM> looking for instant results...
13:25 <@polerin> wait.. if it were instant, wouldn't you be bored again right away?
13:25 <@aestetix> ok
13:25 <@aestetix> note to web developers
13:25 <@aestetix> do not put your logout link in a div that is only accessible by javascript
13:26 <@aestetix> because some people use noscript
13:26 <@polerin> all of the stuff we've been doing recently is script dependant unfortunatly
13:26 <@polerin> I don't like it, but there's not a whole bunch of choice
13:28 <@aestetix> Well I mean
13:28 <@aestetix> Using script is fine for a lot of stuff.
13:29 <@aestetix> But the fucking logout function?
13:29 <@polerin> hehe
13:39 < eryc> who needs to logout ever anyway
13:39 < eryc> thats what session expiry's are for
13:45 <@hobbes615> sup Goat_HM
13:45 <@polerin> **NSFW**  http://www.webcomicsnation.com/erika/dar/series.php?view=archive&chapter=26944   **NSFW**
13:45  * polerin snerks
13:55 <@aestetix> eryc: because let's say I'm at a public terminal and need to leave immediately, and dont' want to trust the next person who hops on the computer
13:55 < eryc> clear private date
14:05 <@aestetix> ok that's like 5 clicks and assumes you have access to do that on the computer
14:05 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It's built into FF dimwit
14:07 <@polerin> and everyone knows public terminals come with firefox installed
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14:09 <@polerin> god damnit silverlight sucks
14:09 <@polerin> why the hell are you giving me static if I pause then resume
14:09 <@polerin> OW
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15:08 <@SkyDog_> afternoon all.
15:08 < TheLightCosine> afternoon skydog
15:11 < AstralSin> hi
15:12 <@polerin> grr.  Can't wait for the TKD matches
15:12 <@SkyDog_> yo.
15:13  * TheLightCosine is trying to figure out how to get this laptop down to a reasonable price without making too many scarafices..
15:14 < TheLightCosine> anyone know if the NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800M GTX  is really worth the etxra $350 comapred to the 8700M GT?
15:15 <@Dagmar> Man, it would be really cool if there were sites on the internet that somehow measured performance of video cards so they could be compared.
15:16 <@polerin> heh
15:16 <@Dagmar> Oof.  I should file for a patent on such an obvious idea.
15:16 <@polerin> yeah you should start one of those dag
15:16 <@Dagmar> No one's doing it.
15:16 <@Dagmar> I'd have the market all to myself.
15:16 <@Dagmar> First, to buy some Ad Words for "video card benchmarks"
15:16 <@polerin> ohly crap that's a big dood.
15:17 <@polerin> the coach for this cuban judoka is like 5 times her size (around)
15:18 < AstralSin> TheLightCosine: check hardocp.com
15:18 < TheLightCosine> Dag: yes i've already looked at the benchmark results, i was aksing for practical input.
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15:19 < TheLightCosine> whether or not the difference in results was worh the difference in price
15:23 < TheLightCosine> nver mind then, sorry I asked
15:23 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: that's a highly personal value judgement to be honest
15:24 <@polerin> though as you're complaining about the cost it sounds like a "no"
15:24 < TheLightCosine> polerin: *shrug* I was looking for people's opinions
15:31 <@Dagmar> So this $30 amounts to how much of the price?
15:32 <@Dagmar> That's the only part of "personal value" that figures into this.
15:32 <@Dagmar> Consideirng the two cards are the same line, to me what it amounts to is a simple price-to-performance-ratio comparison.
15:33 <@Dagmar> If you have to have someone else tell you how to "feel" about the difference in performance and cost, perhsps it's time you tried on some dresses and started picking flowers.
15:35  * polerin raises an eyebrow
15:36 <@polerin> you are in a foul mood today :P
15:39 <@Dagmar> It's just a matter of not googling first gets annoying when I dropped a pretty strong hint earlier
15:39 <@Dagmar> "video card comparisons" reveals http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php
15:40 <@Dagmar> Pretty much one-stop shopping
15:40 <@polerin> meh
15:40 <@polerin> I still dissagree with how many reviews are done anyway
15:40 <@polerin> but ok
15:40 <@polerin> (I sorta agree with HardOCP about it)
15:42 < TheLightCosine> Dagmar: as I said, I already looked at benchmark results. I don't see what the problem with asking people there opinions are
15:43 < TheLightCosine> er their
15:43 <@Dagmar> You have to consider whether or not their input will be of any use
15:44 < TheLightCosine> well i would say the input of peoplke in this channel would be of more use than some half brain-dead idiot posting "this card suxors" or "this card rocks" on some review site
15:44 <@Dagmar> That's not what you should be reading.
15:44 <@polerin> heh
15:45 <@Dagmar> You should be looking for somewhere with a set of colored bars with numbers in them, saying how many frames per second the cards get.
15:45 <@polerin> you're attributing brains to our cynical treatment of people who don't know something. that is a bad idea
15:45 <@Dagmar> When you're dealing with two cards from the same manufacturer, with nearly identical capabilities, with a price difference of a piddling 10%, those numbers that are all that matter.
15:46 < TheLightCosine> 10%?
15:46 < TheLightCosine> $350 is more than 10%
15:46 <@Dagmar> You said $30
15:46 <@polerin> nope
15:47 < TheLightCosine> <TheLightCosine> anyone know if the NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800M GTX  is really worth the etxra $350 comapred to the 8700M GT?
15:47 <@polerin> said $350
15:47 <@Dagmar> Oh wait I misread
15:47 < TheLightCosine> heh
15:47 < TheLightCosine> i think i understand your stance a bit betetr now though
15:47 < TheLightCosine> who would acre about $30
15:47 < TheLightCosine> er *care
15:48 <@Dagmar> Have you foudn some way to install a laptop GPU in your desktop?
15:48 <@polerin> it's for a laptop
15:48 <@Dagmar> Ah then
15:49 <@Dagmar> Sounds like that $350 is just epeen money to me
15:49 <@Dagmar> Mobile or not, we're talking about 8700's and 8800's.
15:49 <@Dagmar> They're going to be pretty similar in performance
15:50 < TheLightCosine> *nod* I figure, they're both "class 1" cards according to notebookcheck, and i can't even find any decentminded reviews of the 8800M
15:51 < TheLightCosine> the main difference seems to be in the actual memory bus
15:51 <@polerin> Is it bad that I'm ammused watching someone from israel in a judo match?
15:52 < TheLightCosine> why would that be bad polerin?
15:52 <@polerin> even if he did jus loose to a frenchman.
15:52 < TheLightCosine> don't they have that crazy martial art style that's getting real popular now?
15:52 <@polerin> it's not that
15:52 <@polerin> it's its ju-do
15:54  * polerin shrugs.  Guess nobody else sees the pun.
15:54 < TheLightCosine> ohh
15:55 < TheLightCosine> sorry
15:55 < TheLightCosine> little slow on the uptake
15:58 < AstralSin> polerin: you shoulda said jew-do
15:59 <@polerin> that was left for people to sound out
16:00 <@polerin> you RUIN puns by making them too obvious :/
16:05 < AstralSin> on irc, you gotta kinda point out the sound you're intending on, there is no voice inflection to emphasize the punchline
16:08 <@polerin> meh
16:08 <@polerin> I'd rather let people think and not get it
16:08 <@polerin> I do however want to point out some ammusing writing on ars
16:09 <@polerin> "Any manufacturer hoping to ride Vista to a triumphant new era of hardware sales inevitably ended up disappointed, and the OS itself has all the general popularity of a hyper St. Bernard with a flatulence problem."
16:10 < TheLightCosine> lol
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16:50 < MaxieZ> So did you see they wouldn't let the Boston subway guys talk at Defcon?
16:51 < MaxieZ> I went to a talk about reverse engineering DRM and he was also threatened to be sued.
16:51 < MaxieZ> I made a page all about hacking Marta a while back...glad I didn't get sued.  I need to mess with their new rfid system though.
16:52 < MaxieZ> Though messing with that is like messing with people's money
16:52 < MaxieZ> cause people store cash on it.
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17:05 <@mtown_nerd> ...
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17:12 < dasunt> /servers
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17:16 < dasunt> I shouldn't go for long bike trips.
17:17 < dasunt> Lost a spoke, a rear bearing, and broke my rack.
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17:24 < dasunt> BRB.
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17:26 <@dasunt> I'm getting pissed at bike shops as well.
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17:37 <@Dagmar> Cnn: "Study: TV glorifies kinky sex, adultery" ...and here to talk about it is a man who is wearing a polo shirt with a tie and has hair that says "I have never had sex in my life"
17:42 <@dasunt> What's wrong with glorifying kinky sex?
17:43 <@Dagmar> Truyh
17:43 <@Dagmar> er in truth.
17:43 <@JimShoe> kinky sex is awesome
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17:46 <@dasunt> really, there isn't.
17:46 <@dasunt> Different shit turns people on.
17:47 <@dasunt> *gasp* people enjoy sex.  News at 5.
17:47 <@dasunt> Congress debates passing law.
17:47 <@dasunt> Special report:  Did your parents have sex?  Grandparents?  Other family members?  A sordid history.
17:48 < AstralSin> http://www.cracked.com/article_16550_illustrated-look-at-worlds-25-strangest-fetishes.html
17:48 < AstralSin> while we're on the subject
18:07 <@rhia> dasunt: our parents and grandparents, etc, only had sex for procreation, of course they didn't Enjoy such a filthy, sinful act!
18:08 <@rhia> at least that's what the preachers try to tell us, when they're not tapping toes in public restrooms for blow and blowjobs
18:17 <@dasunt> I thought that was Idaho congress critters.
18:18 <@dasunt> Oh, speaking of politics, saw an article today in a magazine that was shocked, utterly shocked at the idea putting someone on death row based only on the word of a paid informant might lead to false convictions.
18:18 <@dasunt> Interesting article.
18:19 <@dasunt> One woman had been paid thousands of dollars over many years for informing on her boyfriends, family members, and even her own children.
18:20 <@dasunt> Ended up saying an ex boyfriend had confessed to murder to her, and in the absence of any other evidence tying him to the crime, he ended up on death row.  WTF?
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18:24 <@Dagmar> dasunt: That is exactly why you don't get the lawyer in the plaid leisure suit.
18:38 <@rhia> go for the paisley one instead ;)
18:40 <@dasunt> Heh, I suspect it was a public defender.
18:41 <@dasunt> But (and I didn't know this) you don't get to know if the only witness against you was paid or got any other favors unless you go to trial.
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18:46 <@Evilpig> now taking bids for topless pictures of skydog\
18:46 <@Evilpig> taking money from dudes while he stripped
18:58 < TheLightCosine> lol
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19:02 < TheLightCosine> anyone evr heard of the brand Sager, for laptops before?
19:03 <@ShadowHntr> nope
19:04 <@Evilpig> yes
19:04 <@Evilpig> sager is an old company you can find their website at sager-midern.com  or at least you used to
19:04 < TheLightCosine> are they reliable/good or are they total bs?
19:05 <@Evilpig> decent
19:05 <@Evilpig> no worse than any other
19:05 <@ShadowHntr> panasonic and lenovo ftw :)
19:05 <@Evilpig> lenovo and ibm can eat my ass
19:05 < TheLightCosine> i saw a lenovo i liked, but it was too expensive for what you got
19:06 <@Evilpig> bbl my ride is here for dinner
19:06 <@ShadowHntr> cheers
19:08 < TheLightCosine> wow, sweet one of their laptops can be configured with 8GB of ram heh
19:09 < TheLightCosine> i enjoy speccing out ludicous systems i can never afford heh
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> lol
19:10 <@ShadowHntr> ludicris systems anything like ludicris speed?
19:10 < TheLightCosine> sort of
19:12 < TheLightCosine> ever spec out a laptop on voodoopc? they are insane
19:13 <@ShadowHntr> try falcon-nw.com
19:13 <@ShadowHntr> or velocitymicro.com
19:15 < TheLightCosine> flacon-nw are nice, also very expensive
19:15 < TheLightCosine> i know what laptop i actually want, but i can't get them give me quite enough financing for it
19:18 < TheLightCosine> my pos dell laptop is dying a slow painful death
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19:36 <@sdodson> hooray burbon tasting festivals
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20:31 < TheLightCosine> mm bourbon
20:39  * AstralSin is drinking scotch
20:39 < AstralSin> no time for bourbon tonight
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21:09 < M0j0-j0j0> I know nobody cares, but I watch mostly UK TV cause TV on this side of the pond sux... but I can't believe how much BB blows this series
21:14 <@polerin> arg
21:14 <@polerin> arg arg arg arg
21:14 <@sdodson> arg?
21:14 <@polerin> the olympics are bad for me
21:14 <@sdodson> why?
21:15 <@polerin> because they make me think that you know .. I've got one chance left If I wanted to go for it
21:15 <@sdodson> ya, that seems to be a common observation
21:15 <@polerin> hehe
21:15 <@polerin> I would be 31 or 32 when the next ones rolled around, but it's a possibility
21:16 <@polerin> and the thing is, if I could get away from everything and train, I think I could actually do it.
21:16 <@polerin> but...
21:16 <@polerin> yeah
21:17 <@polerin> it just irks me, because I quit tkd because I knew that they would never accept me if they knew the truth :P
21:17 <@polerin> (which trust me, they wouldn't)
21:17 <@polerin> So I'd have to find another teacher
21:29 < M0j0-j0j0> what is you truth?
21:29 < M0j0-j0j0> and unless you're in logan's run 32 isn't invalid
21:30 <@polerin> lol
21:30 <@polerin> I'm trans
21:30 < M0j0-j0j0> I would like to think that the best is ahead of me
21:30 <@polerin> makes competing in world level sports very difficult
21:30 <@polerin> especially when those sports are very conservitive
21:31 < M0j0-j0j0> well, you have your legal sexual identity so....
21:31 <@polerin> I haven't had surgery yet, don't have the cash unfortunatly
21:31 <@polerin> and for olympics, I'd have to have had it at least a year before the games
21:31 < M0j0-j0j0> yeah
21:32 <@polerin> and for me to actually get to the level I'd need to be, I'd have to be competing solid
21:32 < M0j0-j0j0> plus the hormone stuff would be a mess as far as performance enhancement.
21:33 <@polerin> not in my case
21:33 <@polerin> they  generally look for testosterone, and I'm on a testosterone blocker
21:33 < M0j0-j0j0> m2f
21:33 < M0j0-j0j0> ahh
21:33 <@polerin> mtf genrally but yes
21:34 < M0j0-j0j0> ... did you go to Hope?
21:34 <@polerin> nope
21:34 <@polerin> no $$
21:35 < M0j0-j0j0> hmm.. I met someone from this area thats pre-op mtf there
21:35 < M0j0-j0j0> anyway
21:35 <@polerin> prolly steph
21:36  * rhia can see her desk again.... yay
21:36 < M0j0-j0j0> rhia: go you
21:36 <@polerin> anyway, regardless of weither I go to the games or not (Prolly not.. i meen really...)  I want to go back to tkd
21:37 < M0j0-j0j0> in RTP?
21:37 < M0j0-j0j0> oh.. that's TDK... nm
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21:37 <@polerin> I recently found out that one of my former instructor's students is GLBT accepting, so I'm going to ask about it
21:38 <@polerin> when I was a kid, she wanted to train me for the junior olympics
21:38 <@polerin> heh
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21:44 < geoffscoffee> evenin
21:46 <@polerin> evenin
21:47 < geoffscoffee> another quiet night
21:49 <@polerin> eh sorta
21:49 <@polerin> I'm bitching at the olympics
21:49 <@sdodson> polerin: tkd?
21:49 <@freakn> the first time I saw GLBT written somewhere, I thought they were advertising a new kind of sandwhich
21:50 <@freakn> college was an enlightening experience
21:52 <@sdodson> Genoa Lettuce Bacon Tomato
21:52 < geoffscoffee> oooh, sammich
21:52 < geoffscoffee> i gots teh noms now
21:52 <@polerin> yeah
21:52 <@polerin> hehe
21:52  * geoffscoffee is a meme
21:52 <@freakn> GLBTQ was just too odd
21:53 <@polerin> GLBTQSA
21:53 <@polerin> !
21:53 <@polerin> Letter salad!
21:53 <@sdodson> polerin: wtf is tkd?
21:53 <@polerin> Tae kwan do
21:54 < M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I had to ask too
21:54  * geoffscoffee can't watch the 'limpics, cause he's a rebel Linux user
21:54 <@polerin> geoffscoffee: yeah silverlight pisseed me off
21:54 <@polerin> and tkd is web only :/
21:54 < geoffscoffee> i wanna watch the air rifle comps
21:54 <@freakn> lauch up a vm and give in
21:54 <@freakn> *launch
21:54 <@sdodson> you don't have a tv?
21:55 < geoffscoffee> have a tv, basic cable
21:55 <@freakn> silverlight 2 is your friend, it gives you the olympics at 2am
21:55 <@sdodson> nbc has olympics
21:55 < geoffscoffee> i spend all my money on comcast hisg speed
21:55 < geoffscoffee> high, too
21:55 <@freakn> sailing comes back on at 2am
21:55 < geoffscoffee> i want to watch the shooting events
21:56 <@freakn> I think they do the star class tonight
21:56 < geoffscoffee> but everyone else wants to watch Phelps swim and womens vollyball
21:56 <@polerin> hey
21:57 <@polerin> the beach vollyball is great
21:57 <@polerin> :D
21:57  * polerin whistles innocently
21:57 <@freakn> eh, watching the events is good, I hate it when the spend 20 minutes of a 25 minute block doing personal stories and feedback and review and medal ceremonies and crap
21:57  * geoffscoffee has nothing against women's volleyball
21:57 <@freakn> *watching on TV
21:57 <@sdodson> jiggling asses and titties are great, what they do with the ball and net I don't care about
21:57 < geoffscoffee> well, those women don't jiggle
21:57 <@polerin> yeah
21:57 <@polerin> they are nice and tight
21:57 <@wizardpc> geoffscoffee: the shooting events are already over
21:57 <@polerin> yum :)
21:58 <@polerin> one of the few times you'll ever see me use this face.. but they make me go ^_^
21:58 <@freakn> oh wait, it is the 49 and the yngling series tonight
21:59 < geoffscoffee> http://avatar.movetoiceland.com/ZZ0D69201D.jpg
21:59 < M0j0-j0j0> I download all my TV off usenet
22:00 < geoffscoffee> i figure there will be a moonlight hack to get around the M$BS
22:00 < geoffscoffee> someday
22:01 <@sdodson> I respect Mono, I don't respect Novell.
22:01 <@freakn> badmitten is on the interweb feed now, some hot ukranie chick is really beating that cock
22:01 <@freakn> though she is loosing to an Indian
22:02 <@sdodson> freakn: where do you view the olympics?
22:03 <@freakn> http://www.nbcolympics.com
22:03 <@freakn> gotta install silvelight 2 though
22:03 <@sdodson> does that work in firefox?
22:03 <@polerin> yes
22:03 <@freakn> proprietary web viewing window thing
22:03 <@freakn> ya
22:03 <@polerin> and btw
22:03 <@polerin> silverlight BLOWS
22:03 <@polerin> it soaked my processor
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22:08 <@sdodson> I played badminton in college, it's fucking hardcore
22:08 <@freakn> ya, I tried it, I know the pain
22:09 <@freakn> it is a contest of how many times you can jerk your body really fast until someone stops
22:10 <@polerin> gawd.  I just sent an email
22:10 <@polerin> geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegaldkjfalsdjkf.
22:10 <@polerin> I haven't been in TKD for a long time
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22:17 < M0j0-j0j0> in college I did fencing and archery.
22:17 < M0j0-j0j0> and high school it was volleyball
22:18 <@polerin> The only thing I've ever done was TKD
22:18 <@polerin> and I did that so obsessively that I didn't have time for much else :P
22:19 < M0j0-j0j0> my boss took aerobics as a distance education class... which basically means the college gave him some softcore that he had to watch on DVD
22:20 < geoffscoffee> i had a bowling class in college. most expensive bowling i've ever done
22:21 <@polerin> hehe
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22:21 < M0j0-j0j0> I've not gone bowling in a million years....
22:21 < M0j0-j0j0> or roller-skating
22:22 <@polerin> loller-skating?
22:24 < M0j0-j0j0> rofler-skating
22:34 < M0j0-j0j0> my body is still really really sore from last night so I'm going to bed
22:34 < M0j0-j0j0> have a good night folks
22:34 <@polerin> hehe
22:34 <@polerin> you too
22:35 <@sdodson> http://picasaweb.google.com/pedro.vera/VeraperezCom/photo#5232629242920825682
22:36 < geoffscoffee> night
22:43 <@freakn> I wonder how I could go about scoring an olympic chick
22:45 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: Attend the Special Olympics?
22:47 <@freakn> I was thinking maybe russianbrides.ru
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23:12 < eryc> http://www.carmax.com/enUS/view-car/default.html?AVi=2&id=5236886&N=4294967039&D=40&ASTc=g35&zip=20171&No=0&Ep=Results%20Page&Rp=R&Vp=F&PP=50&sV=List&CD=10+190+8+9&Q=6aa04493-b5ea-42a6-8c8d-04a097f1ae4a
23:12 < eryc> my new car
23:13  * eryc does the new car dance
23:17  * geoffscoffee does the envy sulk
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23:57 <@freakn> cool beans, the opening ceremony is now on NBC's video feed
23:58 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: did you see the scandal about the online version of the ceremony?
23:58 < TheLightCosine> hmm, how hard is it to upgrade ram in a laptop? i've nver actually opened up one
23:58 < TheLightCosine> is  it just open case, pop out pop in?
23:58 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: depends on the model.  Generally it's very easy
23:59 < TheLightCosine> well, the only way i can get this alienware laptop under my price ceiling atm is to drop the memory back down to 2gb
23:59 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: NBC was caught rearranging the order in their video, to make the US come later
23:59 < TheLightCosine> which i'm fine with if i'll be able to jump it back to 4gb easily after the fact
23:59 < TheLightCosine> well, i'm also dropping the proc down a model too
23:59 <@freakn> I did not know that corydon
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