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00:00 <@ware> harold and kumar 2 was the shit
00:01 < eryc> ya 3 months ago
00:02 < eryc> http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/08/07
00:06 <@ware> just watched it
00:08 <@ware> that is fucking awesome
00:11 < eryc> http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/08/06
00:12 < eryc> this site is pretty funny overall
00:13 <@ware> rofl really?
00:13 <@ware> no wai
00:13 <@ware> fckn crazy bird
00:15 <@ware> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyrebird
00:15 <@ware> wow.
00:17 < eryc> yea i guess its real... crazy
00:18 < eryc> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6548641412872346927
00:18 < eryc> another video of it
00:25 <@ware> lol youtube
00:25 <@ware> from lyre birds to bear attacks and ending up with real estate tv show
00:25 <@ware> <3 it
00:25 <@ware> g'night
00:25 < eryc> nite
00:42 < aestetix_> hehe
00:42 < aestetix_> this is hilarious
00:42 < aestetix_> I just hijacked someone's LJ to hit on someone who posted a comment there
00:49  * eryc calls the feds
00:55 <@someninjamaster>  /me calls aestetix a hooker
01:25 < eryc> http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/07/11
03:42 < aestetix_> hey
03:42 < aestetix_> http://amd.hope.net
03:42 < aestetix_> enjoy
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04:15 < TheLightCosine> morning folks
05:00 <@strages> morning
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07:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:19 < TheLightCosine> morning dole
07:23 <@Dolemite> howdy cos(light)
07:27 < aestetix_> Hey
07:28 < aestetix_> bah
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07:28 < TheLightCosine> heh
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07:28 < TheLightCosine> you in vegas dole?
07:28 <@Dolemite> no, I'm at work in Nashville
07:29 < TheLightCosine> ah, thought maybe you went to DEFcon, youre stuck at work like me heh
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07:29 <@Dolemite> It's a bit pricy to go to Vegas for just a few days
07:30 < TheLightCosine> yeah, very true
07:30 <@Dolemite> I was going to go this year and spend a couple of extra days heading up to Zion National Park, but couldn't get anybody else to go
07:30 < TheLightCosine> I would have liked to have at least seen Kaminsky actually present his findings in person, but i figure i';ll save up and go next year
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07:31 -!- aestetix changed the topic of #se2600 to: http://amd.hope.net Tracking Data from The Last HOPE released! | PN12 Volunteer Signup - Acidus Tested, Mother Approved - http://www.phreaknic.info/volunteers/ | Anyone interested in a LAN party in Nashville, contact ware
07:32 <@aestetix> have fun!
07:32 < TheLightCosine> last year my company paid for one of the UK security guys to go to DEFcon, lucky sob =p
07:33 <@aestetix> Eh.
07:33 <@aestetix> It's not worth it.
07:33 <@Dolemite> My job isn't security focused, so I don't see that happening with me.  I get sent out to Data Center World in Vegas every Spring, though.
07:33 <@aestetix> At least, I am not that interested in it.
07:33 < TheLightCosine> that's pretty cool
07:34 <@Dolemite> And we stay in nicer places.  This year it's at Paris hotel & casino.
07:34 < TheLightCosine> wow nice
07:34 <@Dolemite> My wife usually takes the week off and we take a couple of days to go explore other areas in the Southwest, like Zion, Bryce, Death Valley, etc.
07:34 < TheLightCosine> heh i'm a little below the level of being sent anywhere by the company heh
07:35 <@aestetix> Dolemite: that's the way to do it.
07:35 < TheLightCosine> sounds nice, get a little r&r in
07:36 <@Dolemite> I just can't justify going to Vegas for 3 days.
07:36 <@Dolemite> It's too fucking expensive
07:37 < TheLightCosine> well i was rpetty hype about it before moving down ehre, having an actual community locally makes it a little less pressing
07:37 <@aestetix> Hey.
07:37 < TheLightCosine> back in PA, you reverse engineer a simple webapp and suddenly everyone is yelling "hacker" like it's the salem witch trials lol
07:38 <@Dolemite> Where was it you moved from?  I know you've told us, but I forgot.
07:38 <@Dolemite> ah, yeah, PA
07:38 <@aestetix> In case you guys missed the topic..... you should hit up the website and do data mining coolness
07:38 < TheLightCosine> Harrisburg specifically
07:39 <@Dolemite> yeah, here I've actually chewed out TV reporters for doing stupid sensationalized stories on "hackers" and wifi
07:39 < TheLightCosine> it was frustrating trying to explain to people " figuring out how a webapp works, and manipulating it slgihty does not make you a hacker"
07:41 <@Dolemite> Well, it does, but they're thinking of a cracker.
07:41 < TheLightCosine> I don't even get what people think the word means anymore
07:41 <@Dolemite> I have a real simple argument against that.
07:41 <@Dolemite> Ask them what they call someone that breaks into your computer...   they'll say, "a hacker"
07:41 <@Dolemite> Then ask them what they call someone who breaks into their house...   they'll say, "a burglar"
07:41 <@Dolemite> Turn around and ask them why they didn't say, "a locksmith"
07:41 < TheLightCosine> lol
07:41 < TheLightCosine> that's awesome!
07:41 <@Dolemite> A criminal is a criminal, no matter what skillset they use
07:41 <@Dolemite> So to associate a skillset with criminality is simply prejudice
07:41 < TheLightCosine> that is a brilliant argument dole
07:45 < TheLightCosine> i always felt that the term hacker also denoted a certain level of skill though
07:45 < TheLightCosine> to take your example
07:45 <@Dolemite> well yeah, there are varied levels
07:45 <@Dolemite> but you have to start somewhere
07:45 < TheLightCosine> just because I know a little bit about how keys are made and can maybe pick a luggage lock, doesn't make me a locksmith
07:46 <@aestetix> Dolemite: well played.
07:46 < TheLightCosine> so just because i can manipulate php or some such, does not make me a hacker
07:46 <@Dolemite> All it takes to become an apprentice locksmith is to show the desire to learn
07:46 < TheLightCosine> true.
07:47 <@Dolemite> I disagree.  It doesn't make you a leet hacker, but it does make you a hacker.
07:47 <@Dolemite> You are already above the level of being a skrypt kiddie
07:47 < TheLightCosine> *shrug8 fair enough, I've always shied away from the term in regards to myself as i felt it arrogant to attribute that level of skill to myself
07:48 < TheLightCosine> hmm oops, time to grab a smoke before lunch is over, brb
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08:05 < TheLightCosine> ah, well back to the nice slow flow of a friday
08:08 < TheLightCosine> *sigh* why can't windows come with a perl interpreter standard
08:08 < TheLightCosine> i hate doing these little side projects in VBS
08:11 <@I-MOD> install activestate perl?
08:11 <@I-MOD> or does it have to work on all machines without installing anything?
08:12 < TheLightCosine> bingo
08:12 <@I-MOD> could make them install the monad shell (if that's what it's still called)
08:12 <@I-MOD> :D
08:12 < TheLightCosine> monad shell?
08:12 <@I-MOD> never played with that, but i've heard it's better than batch files
08:12 < TheLightCosine> ~google monad shell
08:12 <+MxZBot> TheLightCosine: I don't know, could you explain it?
08:13 <@I-MOD> hmmm
08:13 <@I-MOD> i'll have to look for it
08:13 < TheLightCosine> hmm did i do that wrong?
08:13 <@I-MOD> aka windows power shell
08:13 < TheLightCosine> ahhhh
08:13 < TheLightCosine> i have heard of that
08:13 < TheLightCosine> never used it though
08:14 <@I-MOD> mkay, the codename was monad
08:14 < TheLightCosine> right now, the project i'm focused on is actually a "server side" so technically i could install perl but i'm trying not to raise hackles, they're gonna be a little touchy about me installing mysql on my box as it is I think =P
08:15 <@I-MOD> lol
08:15 <@I-MOD> i'm glad that i work for a company that uses linux as it's dev platform
08:15 < TheLightCosine> heh
08:15 < TheLightCosine> microsoft shop here, and i'm not a real dev
08:16 <@ware> bleh
08:16 <@ware> court isnt til 1pm
08:16 <@ware> fucking pwnt. /me goes back to sleep
08:17 <@tzanger> court for what
08:17 <@Dolemite> throwing chairs at cars from a bridge
08:17 <@tzanger> damn it's usually big rocks around here
08:18 <@tzanger> chairs?
08:18 <@tzanger> is he going for an Microsoft job?
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08:20 < TheLightCosine> hahaha
08:22 < TheLightCosine> hmm, maybe i should be looking into sql server express 2005 instead of mysql...i seem to be having a hard time finding an actual vbs - mysql connection string
08:25 <@Dolemite> You use odbc to connect to mysql
08:26 < TheLightCosine> create a DSN and do it that way, then?
08:28 <@Dolemite> sample script:
08:28 <@Dolemite> Dim conn
08:28 <@Dolemite> Set conn = CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
08:28 <@Dolemite> conn.open "DSN=DSNMy"
08:28 <@Dolemite> conn.close
08:28 <@Dolemite> set conn = Nothing
08:28 <@Dolemite> msgbox "done!"
08:30 < TheLightCosine> kk
08:30 < TheLightCosine> thx
08:31 <@Dolemite> http://www.netadmintools.com/art434.html
08:31 <@Dolemite> there's a short how-to
08:31 <@Dolemite> er, no, that was VB 2003
08:31 <@Dolemite> not vbs
08:31 <@Dolemite> still should be basically the same, though
08:32 <@Dolemite> anywho, a google for mysql odbc vbs will yield a lot
08:33 <@ware> balsaq vinegar i swear
08:33 <@ware> tzanger: running a stop sign
08:33 <@ware> but i didnt
08:33 <@tzanger> ballsack vinegar hahaha
08:34 <@Dolemite> that's what they all say
08:34 <@tzanger> ah
08:34 <@tzanger> you aren't working on a filesystem are you?
08:34 <@tzanger> it seems that all those filesystem hackers are closet criminals
08:35 <@ware> hehe nah im not leet
08:35 <@ware> otherwise id be scene whoring it up at defon
08:35 <@Dolemite> or a murderer
08:40 < TheLightCosine> free Hans Reiser! j/k ;)
08:40 <@Dolemite> heh, you don't have to be leet to go to DEFCON
08:40 <@I-MOD> strages will be scene whoring it up at defcon :D
08:40 <@ware> guess ill work with a client. gotta trouble shoot a hospitals software client installed that isnt working over their cisco vpn
08:40 <@ware> 100/hr is worth it tho
08:40 < wrench___> ware: what county do you have court today?
08:40 <@ware> wilson
08:40 <@ware> its for some dumb bs
08:41 < wrench___> is Murfreesboro in Wilson Co?
08:42 < TheLightCosine> rutherford
08:43 < wrench___> ah....right.
08:44 <@ware> $50 if the judge doesnt agree with me
08:44 <@I-MOD> what is said bs?
08:44 < M0j0-j0j0> ware: if you go to jail, tell your roomate Bull I said hello
08:44 < TheLightCosine> where is wilson county?
08:45 < wrench___> ware: what do you get if you win?
08:45 <@ware> lebanon
08:45 <@ware> wrench___: satisfaction and no fees
08:46 < wrench___> decent...decent.
08:47 < M0j0-j0j0> ware: and avoid the word fist in all possible context.
08:47 <@Dolemite> especially in the same sentence as "your daughter"
08:48 < M0j0-j0j0> Dolemite: or "dead horses"
08:49 < M0j0-j0j0> I still maintain that you can't really abuse a corpse, but that's the law.
08:51 < M0j0-j0j0> any digital artists in this group need to remember that the derby on shirt.woot.com is posted and that this isn't a 7 day contest... it's a 2 day so submit early
08:57 <@ware> M0j0-j0j0: have any of your submissions
08:57 < M0j0-j0j0> you would have to be doing something pretty amazing for a farm animal to actually say "no! stop! I don't like this and I can't remember the safe word"... especially a dead one
08:58 < M0j0-j0j0> have any of my submissions what?
08:58 < M0j0-j0j0> won?
08:58 <@ware> yeah
08:58 <@ware> on teh phone
08:58 < M0j0-j0j0> no, I've only submitted once and it got rejected because of copyright issues... which was bullshit....
08:58 <@ware> got a link to it?
08:59 < M0j0-j0j0> Macky Mouse might be close, but it's not the same
08:59 < M0j0-j0j0> nope
09:00 < M0j0-j0j0> any of these bots do link tracking?
09:00 < M0j0-j0j0> ~ links from M0j0-j0j0
09:00 <+MxZBot> M0j0-j0j0: no idea
09:01 <@ware> werd
09:01 <@ware> link tracking?
09:01 <@ware> i gotta write up a bill for all this accumulated time
09:02 < MudFlap> MxZBot?
09:02 <+MxZBot> mxzbot is your bitch
09:02 < M0j0-j0j0> MxZBot: don't drink. don't smoke. what do ya do?
09:02 <+MxZBot> i don't know, M0j0-j0j0
09:02 <@ware> i need to get a biz license for this side work
09:03 <@Shadow404> yeah, just installed the last box for my customer's server build out. Now i get to sit back and babysit it so we can put it into production
09:03 < M0j0-j0j0> and I need to go to the gym
09:04  * Shadow404 sits back in chair, pulls out a bottle of rum and a bottle of coke
09:05 <@Shadow404> where the fuck is maxiez
09:05 <@Shadow404> was gonna ask him if he wanted to grab lunch
09:05 <@Shadow404> and hes not on my new phone yet
09:16 <@tzanger> ugh, between FC7 and Centos4/5 which would be the better choice for relatively low-key servering? just svn/http, nothing fancy, no need for fancy device drivers, just a nice solid system?
09:18 < TheLightCosine> i don't know Cent os at all, but FC7 is pretty stabale in my experience
09:18 < TheLightCosine> *stable even
09:18  * I-MOD is slightly a debian zealot
09:18 <@Shadow404> fedora rocks for uptime
09:19 < TheLightCosine> i learned linux on FC4 orginally and stayed with fedora until only about a year ago when i switched to Ubutnu
09:19 <@tzanger> I am a slacker, but debian's been my choice for anything I have to share :-)
09:19 < TheLightCosine> I'm thinking of going to a pure Debian install now
09:19 <@Shadow404> ubuntu is nice, but ive had some slight issues with it migrating from fc for some things at work
09:20 < TheLightCosine> too many little padded-walls type things in ubuntu that are starting to drive me a lil crazy
09:20 <@Shadow404> same
09:20 < TheLightCosine> like no inittab
09:21 < TheLightCosine> I tried to do a Gentoo install on my server box...8sigh*
09:21 < TheLightCosine> i thoguht i did everything right heh, but it only boots into recovery mode
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09:37 <@tzanger> thanks for the input on distros, I asked for fc7
09:38 <@I-MOD> yeah, i would take fc over centos
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10:03 <@tzanger> wtf /usr/sbin isn't in the path?
10:05 <@I-MOD> :D
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10:37 <@nachoguy> http://doxpara.com/?p=1206
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11:46 < TheLightCosine> hrm
11:47 < TheLightCosine> can you not do a window_onload for vbscript embeeded in a webpage?
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13:23 < TheLightCosine> heh cool, my dad just emailed me Kaminsky's powerpoint presentation from Blackhat
13:23 <@I-MOD> lol
13:27 < TheLightCosine> i suspect one of his people was probably at Blackhat
13:28 < TheLightCosine> i'd be kind of surprised if they didn't have someone, really, given the nature of their work
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13:35 < TheLightCosine> sudo apt-get update
13:35 < TheLightCosine> ack! sorry wrong window
13:35 <@Dolemite> sudo make me some pie
13:35 < TheLightCosine> password for Dolemite:
13:37 <@Dolemite> Bl4ckb3rrYc0bBl3r
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13:38 < TheLightCosine> process terminated. core dump in progress.
13:40 < TheLightCosine> see what happens when you run suse? =P
13:43 <@Dolemite> Suzy?  I thought her name was Debbie!
13:43 < TheLightCosine> lol
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14:18 <@aestetix> woot
14:18 <@aestetix> made boingboing again
14:24 <@polerin> I'm hoping to get to go to some cons on work's dime this year, donno if that's going to happen
14:24 <@freakn> telco is digging a 8 foot hole in my yard in TX
14:24 <@polerin> but I've got a HELL of alot better chance now than
14:24 <@polerin> last year
14:24 <@freakn> they call it a coffin hole, I am getting a few ideas
14:24 <@polerin> hehe
14:25 <@freakn> and I now know the 200 pair line that feeds this subdivision and the next sub division over runs through my yard
14:25 <@polerin> freakn: if you go down in it, make sure you take oxygen with you.  There is a reason people have to go through some serious certification to do enclosed spaces work :P
14:39 < TheLightCosine> must..find...food
14:39 < TheLightCosine> bbiab
14:39 <@I-MOD> make toast!
14:46 <@ware> yay
14:46 <@ware> $130.
14:46 <@ware> fucking whores
14:48 <@Shadow404> damn, must be expensive in the boro to get a whore
14:51 <@GodFix> $130 is cheap. Tey're asking $200-300+ on CL
14:51 <@ware> traffic court costs
14:53 <@ware> for running a stop sign
15:04 <@GodFix> was it a "rolling stop" or a blatant running?
15:04 <@ware> rollin
15:05 <@GodFix> those are the worst
15:13 <@critch> a rolling stop is blatant running of the sign. Only difference being you were too lazy to finish stopping the vehicle.
15:19 <@nachoguy> aestetix, where?
15:20 <@nachoguy> nevermind, I see it
15:21 <@polerin> http://fukung.net/v/1425/terrifying.jpg
15:28 < wrench___> if you are going slow enough to tell that there is no reason to stop--then what is the point of stopping. f'n pigs.
15:29 <@critch> wrench___: because way to many of you cagers can't tell if a motorcycle is coming. Coming to a complete stop gices you a second or more to understand that you might just about take someones life. Secondly, it is about respect for the law. Don't be like bush and claim it is only applicable to others, and only when they feel like it.
15:31 <@critch> Laws are unfortunately written so there shouldn't be much need for interpretation. They apply to us all. And way too often they are written for the lowest common denominator to be safe.
15:32 < wrench___> cager? doubt it. if there's no one there to hit--then there's no reason to stop.
15:33 <@critch> if you drive, you are a cager, as in you drive while being in your cage.
15:34 <@critch> And my point still stands that you are required to stop by law. It is that way so you get a little bit more time to verify no one is coming.
15:34 < wrench___> Critch: Is everyone that owns a car a cager? Don't you also drive a car? You're not the only one that rides.
15:34 < Pr0nStrGeek_Work> besides... it's not like they put stop signs arbitrarily in the middle of roads... the problem is that people sending text messages and fumbling around with their ipods somehow manage not to notice the oncoming school bus...
15:34 <@critch> I have had personal experience were at 2 way stops, people try to roll through them while I am coming on the not stop sign encumbered direction.
15:35 <@Shadow404> happens to me all the time in the commuter bus parking lot
15:35 <@critch> wrench___: when in a car, you are a cager. That is regardless of if you own a bike.
15:36 < wrench___> critch: understood.
15:38 < wrench___> critch: Traffic laws do serve an important purpose...I guess what I hate is using infractions of these rules to extort money from citizens. Especially when there is no harm done.
15:39 <@polerin> rolling stops are illegal because people don't actually take the time to fully check prior to moving out
15:39 <@polerin> :/
15:39 <@polerin> http://fukung.net/v/7696/iraqwar.jpg   (I'm bored and damn that's one hell of an ad-bust)
15:39 <@critch> wrench___: so instead of enforcing disciplined driving, you would rather wait for such an infraction to cause harm to enforce the rules?
15:41 < wrench___> critch: I would reccomend other forms of punishment such as safety classes etc. Traffic tickets for several hundred dollars seem more than a little excessive.
15:41 <@critch> I am getting exteremely sick and tired of lax driving enforcement. Very rarely does an officer enforce the keep right except to pass laws, not do they enforce the HOV laws. I'm sure there are more that I could get pissed about too.
15:41 <@critch> wrench___: what would the punishment have been if there had been harm, ohh yea, long time in prison.
15:44 <@critch> wrench___: read about this one example still fresh on my mind about why lax enforcment is only detrimental to us all. http://uppercumberlandscrc.org/greg.html
15:44 <@critch> and sorry for the music they choose to play on that page.
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15:48 < wrench___> critch: I read the article. Hey I've been riding a long time and I've lost several good friends in accidents just like that one...but strict enforcement of traffic laws is not going to make these drivers any smarter or any more aware of motorcyclists.
15:50 <@critch> wrench___: what it does though is remove them from the roads. too many tickets and your license is pulled.
15:50 < wrench___> I've been knocked off my own bike on the highway by an inattentive motorist several years ago. I bet that dumb bitch still drives like an idiot to this day. Bet she hasn't learned a damn thing.
15:50 <@critch> granted some will just drive without a license then
15:51 <@critch> wrench___: and if the enforcement was stricter, do you think it might have become cost prohibitive for her to continue driving?
15:52 <@critch> I haven't been knocked off my bike, but I have been run off the road in my car, and on my bike.
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15:53 < wrench___> I dunno. She wasn't a citizen and couldn't speak english whatsoever. I'm not sure there is much they could have done to her.
15:53 <@critch> The last time I went off roading due to a car coming into my lane could have easily killed me. I took a gravel section at 70mph and the trajectory through the gravel was putting me right into interstate traffic
15:53 < wrench___> It took weeks for my right ass cheeck to regerate itself.
15:54 <@critch> so then the question would be, was she here legally or illegally, was she driving legally or not? If not here legally, she should have been charged for it, and shotput across whatever boarder to her home country.
15:54 < wrench___> critch: that's no good.
15:55 < wrench___> critch: unfortunately, not only do we have no say as to what the laws are but we can't pick what laws they enforce either.
15:56 < wrench___> In my perfect world: Speed as fast as you want--only penalized if you crash into someone. And then you are penalized severely. If a "cager" hits a motorcycle and its their fault--then they are hung and left swinging on gallows erected at every milemarker.
15:56 <@critch> We do have say in what the laws are. Our say is not always a surgical precise instriment, but more of a blunt force weapon of picking who we want to represent us. We also have the ability to go make nusiances of ourselves on capital hill till the congrescritters do the right thing.
15:57 <@critch> see, that is the problem with your perfect world, it is reactive, not proactive.
15:58 <@critch> If the laws governing how one drives were more strictly enforced, then they could actually raise the speed limits without raising the injury and fatality stats.
15:58 < wrench___> yeah we can pick who we want to represent us based on what they "say" they are going to do. But they are not required to actually do anything that they "said" that they were going to do.
15:59 <@critch> correct, not required.
15:59 < wrench___> So basically we get to pick the guy/girl with the best marketing pitch...
15:59 < wrench___> nice
15:59 <@critch> But going to their office on a regular basis sure does keep them honest.
15:59 < wrench___> Too bad most people have to work-- or we could really get involved.
16:00 <@critch> My work encouraged participation. Actually it still does.
16:00 < wrench___> Most work encourages -- getting shit done.
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16:43 < TheLightCosine> critch: whatchu ride?
16:43 <@aestetix> hey
16:43 <@aestetix> did anyone play with the amd data yet?
16:44 <@critch> TheLightCosine: Aprilia Caponord
16:45 < TheLightCosine> nice
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16:46 < TheLightCosine> I don't ride myself, but I have a lot of friends who do. I ragdoll enough on a skateboard without trying a motorcycle heh
16:50 <@critch> TheLightCosine: I am 1 of only 2 in the Middle TN area with a Caponord, best I can tell.
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18:56 < TheLightCosine> *sigh* I hate Windows.
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18:58 < MaxieZ> Anybody awake?
18:58 < TheLightCosine> aye
18:58 < MaxieZ> You know Skydog's email address?
18:58 < MaxieZ> .org and .com didn't work...so I'm at a loss
18:59 < aestetix> oh boy
18:59 < aestetix> check slashdot
18:59 < aestetix> I hope our server can handle this
18:59 < TheLightCosine> isn't it just skydog@nashville2600.org ?
18:59 < MaxieZ> hope.net?
19:00 < MaxieZ> Yeah that should work...I was trying his bluefunk one
19:00 < aestetix> amd.hope.net
19:00 < aestetix> It's on another webserver. There are crazy DNS rules set up.
19:01 < TheLightCosine> hah, it got slashdotted already? that was fast
19:01 < MaxieZ> ok
19:03 < MaxieZ> I've only seen dc0de here (he's not hard to miss).  I'm all alone :(
19:04 < MaxieZ> I'm running backtrack and when I started xchat, it bitched that I running irc as root is Stupid :)
19:04 < MaxieZ> or windows like I guess
19:05 < aestetix> MaxieZ: you're at defcon?
19:05 < MaxieZ> yeah
19:06 < TheLightCosine> backtrack has xchat on it?
19:06 < aestetix> Tell people that the AMD data is out :)
19:06 < MaxieZ> I hear skydog, wilpig and Catonic are here...
19:06 < MaxieZ> yep
19:06 < TheLightCosine> i never noticed that
19:06 < MaxieZ> I will if I see any of them
19:06 < TheLightCosine> you running 3 or 2 still?
19:06 < aestetix> r0d3nt said he was gonna announce it on defcon radio
19:07 < MaxieZ> 3
19:07 < MaxieZ> Not that I care.  My hard drive is no where near.  Hack away
19:08 < aestetix> Now I can't say whether defcon attendees are downloading it
19:08 < TheLightCosine> i was just cirous i couldn't get bt3 to run properly, but i think i got a corrupted download
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19:08 < TheLightCosine> haven't tried again since
19:08 < aestetix> But we're getting a fuckton of traffic from california
19:08 < MaxieZ> odd
19:09 < aestetix> I'm guessing a lot of people have shell accounts on servers in cali
19:09 < TheLightCosine> I downloaded Whax only to find out that it is menu for menu a clone of BackTrack
19:09 < MaxieZ> yeah whax became backtrack
19:09 < MaxieZ> I believe they merged with knoppix std
19:09 < TheLightCosine> oh really? lol i didn't know that
19:10 < AstralSin> whax+auditor=backtrack
19:10 < MaxieZ> Used to be whoppix, then whax
19:10 < TheLightCosine> *forhead slap*
19:10 < MaxieZ> That's right...it was auditor
19:10 < AstralSin> the two projects merged, afaik
19:10 < TheLightCosine> to be honest i don't know what half the tools in BT are for precisely
19:11 < TheLightCosine> i'm still in my "baby steps" period =P
19:11 < MaxieZ> I haven't used many of them myself.  There's always more tools than you normally need
19:12 < MaxieZ> Cause 5 people write a network scanner and you just use the one you know.
19:12 < MaxieZ> as an example I mean.
19:13 < TheLightCosine> most everything i would sue i have installed onto my Ubuntu install: netcat, dsnif, aircrack, kismet, wireshark, ettercap, nmap, nessus, and a couple things i threw together in perl
19:13 < AstralSin> well, alot of the tools in bt are for more specialized shit, like forensics, enumeration of various routing structures, etc
19:14 < MaxieZ> Yes.  Auditor was all about forensics.
19:14 < AstralSin> and many of the tools there are for attacks against specific types of hardware like cisco equipment
19:15 < AstralSin> well, some, i don't know if many is the right word
19:15 < MaxieZ> You're right.  Just specific tools that do lots of things that you rarely need, but may find...helpful
19:15 < AstralSin> yeah
19:16 < AstralSin> mainly for use by either sysadmins that wanna test their infrastructure or penetration testers that wanna pwn you and get paid
19:16 < aestetix> hehe
19:16  * AstralSin dreams of a career in penetration testing
19:16 < aestetix> speaking of forensics
19:16  * aestetix just got a copy of COFEE
19:16 < AstralSin> cool
19:17 < TheLightCosine> Astral: yeah that's the dream isn't it?
19:17 < MaxieZ> IE yersinia which uses up all the dhcp requests from a dhcp server.  Not something you're going to pull out everyday
19:17 < aestetix> I haven't had a chance to to look through it much though.
19:17 < AstralSin> hmm, doesn't yersinia do some other things as well? i coulda swore i used it to help brute force an ftp server on the de-ice disc
19:17 < AstralSin> or am i thinking of something es
19:17 < MaxieZ> wow astetix...that's crazy
19:17 < AstralSin> else*
19:18 < AstralSin> i can get a copy of core impact, i just gotta get a ip license for it... i'm hoping i can get the 10.0.0.0/8 range
19:18 < AstralSin> i need to check in on that
19:20  * TheLightCosine taps his foot impatiently at the second run throguh of installing UT3 "it better bloody work this time"
19:22 < aestetix> what's crazy
19:22 < MaxieZ> Getting a copy of cofee
19:22 < aestetix> ahh yeah
19:22 < aestetix> god I hate windows
19:23 < aestetix> ok I'm in cmd
19:23 < aestetix> in a specific directory
19:23 < aestetix> you would thinking typing "explorer" would open the explorer shell in that directory
19:23 < TheLightCosine> hah!
19:24 < aestetix> MaxieZ: I haven't looked into it *that* much.
19:24 < TheLightCosine> aestetix: Next you'll be saying to yourself "you would think they'd stop pretending they don't rip off POSIX systems and include things like whoami and GREP as standard"
19:24 < aestetix> But I'm really not impressed yet
19:24 < aestetix> TheLightCosine: there's a reason I don't use windows as my primary OS.
19:24 < aestetix> Because it fucking sucks for anything development wise.
19:25 < TheLightCosine> indeed.
19:25 < MaxieZ> I don't know...starting a gui in POSIX would probably start with the cwd
19:25 < TheLightCosine> I use windows at home really only for games
19:26 < TheLightCosine> i could really do away with it altogether, my wife is comfortable enough with gnome to navigate about fine
19:26 < aestetix> I got over the whole "everyone needs to use open source!" years ago
19:26 < aestetix> However, I still maintain "fuck you, I'm not using windows"
19:26 < TheLightCosine> heh
19:26 < aestetix> Except for things like reversing.
19:26 < TheLightCosine> every os has something to offer it jsut a question of what you're looking for
19:27 < aestetix> Since linux really isn't there yet.
19:27 < aestetix> Well it kind of is.
19:27 < MaxieZ> I'm using it currently.  Not sure how much longer I'm going to run it for though
19:27 < MaxieZ> They take bets at work everytime I install windows how long it will be till I'm back in linux
19:28 < TheLightCosine> heh
19:28 < aestetix> MaxieZ: sounds like the reverse comfort zone.
19:29 < aestetix> Most people revert back to windows because they can't use linux.
19:29 < aestetix> I have a windows install on here for some things. Like watching movies on netflix, because virtualbox fails at proper streaming.
19:31 < TheLightCosine> oh, and I'd need to find a good DVD burner software, something that can take avis and covnert em back into propper dvd format and burn
19:31 < MaxieZ> aestetix: yeah that really is it.  I just do it sometimes cause I think I should....that I'll be able to run whatever MS crap my boss wants, or play some game.  Then I get bored and go back
19:31 < MaxieZ> sometimes pissed off and go back :)
19:32 < TheLightCosine> maxiez: nethack...the only game you'll ever need ;)
19:32 < MaxieZ> yeah...I did play wow in linux for a while
19:33 < TheLightCosine> WINE or sedega(sp?)?
19:33 < MaxieZ> wine
19:33 < MaxieZ> I just feel like I should be able to run any OS and get my shit done.
19:34 < MaxieZ> But then I'm at defcon and I can't trust my windows install since there may be something there, I simply don't know about.
19:34 < MaxieZ> Which is a combination of their closed source and my windows ignorance
19:36 < aestetix> I hope people at DefCon know about the AMD release.
19:36 < aestetix> I'm guessing a bunch of them just don't care.
19:36 < MaxieZ> Anything you'd like me to do about it?
19:37 < aestetix> I guess it seems kinda silly to tell people.
19:37 < aestetix> Since it's on slashdot and boingboing now.
19:37 < MaxieZ> You looking at the logs?
19:37 < aestetix> Yeah.
19:37 < MaxieZ> We should all be coming from the same IP
19:37 < aestetix> Not necessarily.
19:37 < aestetix> I'm guessing a lot of people are using proxies.
19:37 < MaxieZ> I just requested /maxiez.html
19:38 < aestetix> ok lemme check for that
19:38 < MaxieZ> Maybe.  I couldn't use a vpn
19:38 < MaxieZ> They have a firewall blocking any sourced private IP
19:38 < MaxieZ> boggon ip
19:38 < MaxieZ> 10.0.0.0/8, 192.168.1.1/16 at least.
19:39 < MaxieZ> should be in the error log so that may make it easier to find
19:40 < aestetix> grr, I don't have wheel on this account
19:41 < aestetix> anyways, I should shower and be social. ttfn
19:41 < MaxieZ> duh..just a sec
19:42 < MaxieZ> 24.120.56.2
19:42 < MaxieZ> whatismyip.org *facepalm*
19:43 <@ware> weee
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19:51 < TheLightCosine> hey ware
19:52 <@ware> sup
19:52 < TheLightCosine> trying to install Unreal Tournament 3...
19:52 <@ware> noice
19:52 < TheLightCosine> this is my second attempt
19:52 <@ware> that game is the shit
19:52 < TheLightCosine> i'm rather pissed
19:52 <@ware> did you buy it?
19:52 < TheLightCosine> yeah
19:52 <@ware> winders?
19:53 < TheLightCosine> yeah, unfortunately. i'm not messing with wine right now
19:53 < TheLightCosine> i think the install has in-stalled-out this time too
19:53 < TheLightCosine> the first time it installed but when i went to launch it bsoded
19:54 < TheLightCosine> this time i had to pick the laptop up duting the install and it seems to have gone ebrserk over that
19:55 < TheLightCosine> i hope my optical drive isn't going out on me
19:57 <@ware> aghgg
19:57 < TheLightCosine> ?
20:03 < TheLightCosine> @@##%R#$%#%$# BSOD!
20:07 <@ware> tag
20:07 <@ware> lag
20:11 < TheLightCosine> *sigh* the new laptop i want costs $3,400 specced out in what i consider "conservative" mode
20:19 <@polerin> grr
20:19 <@polerin> I don't WANT to install silverlight
20:19 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you on?
20:20 <@NotLarry> ware: Whats your phone number?  This Hanna Montana Wake-up call is the shit!
20:21 <@ware> !!!???
20:21 <@NotLarry> ware: give me your phone number, quick
20:21 <@ware> pm'd lol
20:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, NL needs a blowjob tonight
20:21  * ware gets out the lube
20:22 <@polerin> so, the olympics are on
20:22 <@polerin> I hate basketball
20:22 <@polerin> so what can I watch instead?
20:22 <@polerin> Badminton or equestrian.
20:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Monk is on USA
20:22 <@Corydon76-dig> After Monk, it's a new episode of Psych
20:22 <@polerin> meh
20:23 <@polerin> I feel like they are only missing cricket.
20:23  * Corydon76-dig is recording both
20:23 <@polerin> :P
20:23 < mrtsunami> but monk has been on all day
20:23 < mrtsunami> I'm already tired of it
20:23 <@Corydon76-dig> mrtsunami: new episode right now
20:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Everything they ran all day was a repeat
20:24 < mrtsunami> Corydon76-dig: I know, but I'm still already tired of the show from watching it most of the day ;P
20:24 <@Corydon76-dig> mrtsunami: I like the new costar better than Bitti Schram
20:24 <@Corydon76-dig> that New Yawk whine
20:25 < mrtsunami> yeah, she was annoying
20:26 <@Corydon76-dig> The new doctor is good... not Stanley Kamel, but...
20:27 <@polerin> I miss Dr. Katz
20:27 <@polerin> I need to see if I can get all the episodes
20:28 <@NotLarry> This is so fucking wrong:)
20:31 <@polerin> man silverlight sucks
20:31 <@polerin> it's soaking half my cpu
20:31 <@polerin> for really crappy really compressed video
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20:34 <@ware> NotLarry: wheres this phone call?
20:34 <@ware> dont set that shit to calll me at 4am
20:35 <@ware> oh shit it called my phone was on silent haha try again
20:37 <@NotLarry> you get it now?:)
20:38 <@ware> rofl nice
20:38 <@NotLarry> This is better than 2girls1cup, where can I get a list of phone numbers of registered pediphiles?
20:38 <@maco> i dislike xorg
20:39 <@NotLarry> funny maco, it had nothing but nice things to say about you.
20:39 <@maco> my mouse should not have any effect on whether or not my graphics work -_-
20:39 <@maco> nor should the keyboard
20:39 <@maco> somehow, switching from ps2 to usb keyboard/mouse made graphics workable
20:40 <@Feltenix> hrm, do you have an ati card?
20:40 <@maco> nope
20:40 <@maco> intel 865
20:41 <@NotLarry> I just put my wife's phone number in for 6am:)
20:41 <@NotLarry> Quick, someone give me their phone number:)
20:41 <@ware> haha nice
20:41 <@Feltenix> (404) 330-6100
20:41 <@maco> the i810 driver worked fine, except for that whole 1024x768-max thing, then you need 915resolutions and all that junk.  the intel driver (which can do lots of resolutions) apparently gives a fuck what your mouse is
20:41 <@Feltenix> well that is a phone number
20:42 < mrtsunami> (800)867-5309
20:42 <@Feltenix> not necessarily mine
20:42 <@NotLarry> So, Feltenix, which department of law enforcment is that?
20:42 <@Feltenix> atl mayor's office
20:43 <@Feltenix> so, none
20:43 <@NotLarry> damn, it gave me the lat and long for that phone number
20:44 <@Feltenix> how fun
20:44 <@NotLarry> ok, someone give me their real phone number, trust me:)
20:44 <@Feltenix> you should try to find a payphone, and call it at random
20:44 <@NotLarry> ware liked it, it must be safe...
20:50 <@tzanger> woowoo
20:50 <@tzanger> my FPGA PCI Dev board arrives Monday
20:54 < TheLightCosine> what's with all the phone fun?
21:02 < TheLightCosine> finally got ut3 to load yay!
21:07 <@I-MOD> tzanger, what fpga?
21:20 <@NotLarry> TheLightCosine: Give me your phone number
21:21 <@Corydon76-dig> NotLarry: Here's my real phone number: 888-DIGIUM-1
21:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Real new, provisioned just today
21:22 <@NotLarry> gives me a fast busy/out of service tone
21:22 <@NotLarry> you might want to call customer service
21:22 <@ware> lulz
21:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Works for me
21:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Should be active throughout the continental US
21:23 <@Corydon76-dig> You're dialling a 1 first, right?
21:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Or 91, for Vandy?
21:24 <@NotLarry> dosn't work from vandy, lets try it from my "special" sight:)
21:25 <@Corydon76-dig> All 5's, Hannah Montana?
21:25 <@NotLarry> You should be getting a call from a close personal friend of mine
21:25 <@NotLarry> answer that call:)
21:25 <@Corydon76-dig> I did
21:25 <@Corydon76-dig> How do you think I knew it was Hannah Montana?
21:25 <@NotLarry> I'm so buying a Hanna Montana backpack tomorrow:)
21:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
21:26 <@NotLarry> This is the best gift anyone has gotten me in a while
21:26 <@Corydon76-dig> although the greeting took about 5 seconds to come on after answer
21:26 <@NotLarry> I just signed up Dagmar for 3, 4, 5 and 6am wakeup calls:)
21:26 <@Corydon76-dig> And given that the line is digital, answer detection is immediate
21:27 <@NotLarry> Yeah, I noticed the delay, but free is free
21:27 <@Corydon76-dig> NotLarry: btw, if you do that, it'll hit my office phone, which I can't hear from the bedroom
21:27 <@NotLarry> Yeah, but your bedroom phone is set to vibrate
21:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Actually, you could hit my regular line, and I still wouldn't hear it if I'm asleep
21:28 <@NotLarry> rode the bike to work today!
21:28 <@Corydon76-dig> You know how they say a tornado sounds like a freight train?  I sleep through louder noises.
21:28 <@NotLarry> I got your train right here!
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm even experienced at sleeping through a strobe light
21:30 <@Corydon76-dig> That's what the lightning looked like out the window when Jeff finally shook me awake
21:30 <@NotLarry> Jaw hurts, take ibephofen or darvocet?
21:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Used to take ibuprofen, now take acetaminophen
21:31 <@Corydon76-dig> BTW, my alarm clock:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/8f1a/
21:31 <@NotLarry> Acetaminophen is not an anti enflamitory is it?
21:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, it is, and a fever reducer
21:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Now that I'm under the care of the GI doc, I'm off ibuprofen
21:32 <@Corydon76-dig> which kinda sucks, because I buy in bulk
21:33 <@Corydon76-dig> but now I have a huge bottle of acetaminopen
21:34 <@ware> NotLarry: rofl
21:34 <@ware> quit that shit
21:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, someone caught a cat's reaction to that alarm clock
21:34 <@Corydon76-dig> http://images.thinkgeek.com/action/large/211a9a4.jpg
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21:37 <@NotLarry> Did you just get another call ware ?
21:38 <@NotLarry> I think their time zones are screwed up, it just called  me
21:38 <@Corydon76-dig> NotLarry: GMT or PDT, perhaps?
21:39 <@NotLarry> I set the call for CST and it didn't call.  Then an hour later it calls me
21:39 <@NotLarry> you can set the time for the past and it calls right away
21:40 <@NotLarry> strange, internet explorer is acting up on me
21:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Nah, strange is when IE works perfectly
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21:51  * M0j0-j0j0 just totaled his truck
21:51 < mrtsunami> Good job.
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22:09 <@I-MOD> M0j0-j0j0, ? not your fault hopefully...
22:14 < M0j0-j0j0> I-MOD: it will end up that way
22:16 < M0j0-j0j0> I-MOD: one witness gave a statement saying she saw me forced off the road and someone else followed the person who did it and came back and told the cops who went and talked to her
22:16 < M0j0-j0j0> but all she had to say is "sorry, you've got the wrong person" and it's over
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22:34 <@NotLarry> Damn M0j0-j0j0, sounds like you need some chearing up, what is you phone number?...
22:35 <@NotLarry> Anyone else in here ever listen to Tom Waits?
22:37 <@polerin> NotLarry: I'm big in japan
22:37 <@polerin> :D
22:38 <@NotLarry> fucking right.  Damn, now I got to go play that
22:41 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you on?
22:44 <@I-MOD> M0j0-j0j0, that sucks
22:46 <@NotLarry> polerin: what's your phone number:)
22:52 <@NotLarry> This world is so much fun:)
22:53 <@NotLarry> M0j0-j0j0: give me your phone number:)
23:06 <@ware> weee.
23:23 <@hobbes615> ello'
23:24 <@NotLarry> hobbes615: What's your phone number?:)
23:25 <@hobbes615> meh phone number ehh
23:25 <@hobbes615> wha fo
23:27 <@NotLarry> I'm crank calling, give me your phone number:)\
23:27 <@hobbes615> pshh
23:28 <@NotLarry> Trust me
23:29 <@hobbes615> so what've you been up to lately
23:34 <@NotLarry> trying to get your phone number
23:34 <@NotLarry> but that hasn't been working out for m e
23:34 <@hobbes615> ya
23:34 <@Corydon76-dig> 862-8600
23:34 <@hobbes615> i can belive that
23:34 <@ware> http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-38794-108.html
23:35 <@Corydon76-dig> 244-7433
23:35 <@Corydon76-dig> 244-5900
23:36 <@Corydon76-dig> 256-0101
23:36 <@Corydon76-dig> 421-1911
23:37 <@Corydon76-dig> 322-7625
23:38 <@ware> ?
23:38 <@NotLarry> nice ware
23:38 <@ware> yah
23:39 <@NotLarry> Can't belive there are "safe" networks at a hacker con.
23:39 <@ware> eh its the press network
23:39 <@ware> i can understand it
23:39 <@NotLarry> Whats your username and password mutherfucker
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23:41 <@NotLarry> I don't have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" on any network.
23:41 <@NotLarry> or phone
23:41 <@NotLarry> or any communication where the name ware is used...
23:47 <@hobbes615> meh
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