--- Log opened Wed Aug 06 00:00:28 2008 00:33 -!- Catonic [n=catonic@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 00:33 -!- Catonic [n=catonic@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 00:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 00:49 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o remoford] by ChanServ 00:50 <@remoford> is anyone else having inbound ports blocked on comcast? 00:50 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-29-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:50 <@remoford> i cant seem to hit any ssh servers on comcast residental 01:05 <@Catonic> big suprise, eh? 01:05 <@Catonic> ~google for comcast fcc decision 01:05 <+MxZBot> Google says comcast fcc decision is at http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/08/01/comcast-fcc-decision-the-reactions/ or http://freepress.net/node/42997 or http://www.cabletechtalk.com/cable-companies/comcast/2008/08/01/ncta-reaction-to-fcc-decision-on-comcastbittorrent-complaint/ 01:07 <@remoford> well the funny thing is i can hit ssh on residential comcast in other states 01:07 <@remoford> im wondering if this is a local thing 01:08 <@remoford> seems to have started sometime this evening 01:26 -!- Godstrong [i=Godstron@24-183-213-128.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit ["I was only here because my server was down...hahaha"] 01:27 -!- Feltenix [n=Tanstaaf@adsl-19-27-138.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:47 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 01:49 <@Catonic> remoford: defcon? 01:52 < eryc> faidley! 01:59 <@aestetix> yo 01:59 <@aestetix> check this out 01:59 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8JpIqKYSIA&watch_response 01:59 <@aestetix> ragefury programmed the AMD visuals to run on a nintendo DS 02:06 <@Catonic> very fucking impressive 02:11 < eryc> how does it get the location? 02:11 < eryc> oh wait nvm 02:11 < eryc> i was thinking it was using the badge 02:11 < eryc> still cool i guess 02:30 <@Catonic> hrm... 02:30 <@Catonic> almost as if the badge was an element used to track the attendees. 02:31 <@Catonic> If we had passive RFID tags, we could tell where people were based on when they walked by a sensor, but that wouldn't resolve into 3D space.. 02:31 <@Catonic> what if the RFID tags were active, and we had a large network of recievers that could triangulate the RFID tags? 02:31 <@Catonic> And what if we handed out RFID tags as badges to 1400 people? 02:32 <@aestetix> dongz 02:40 <@strages> what are we discussing tonight? 02:40 <@aestetix> amd.hope.net 02:40 <@strages> ah ok 02:41 <@strages> very impressive 02:42 <@aestetix> thanks 02:44 <@strages> wonder what kind of fun is going to be had with the defcon badges this year 02:44 <@aestetix> heh 02:44 <@aestetix> I'm not going to DefCon, so I'll find out after the fact 02:45 <@strages> I am 02:45 <@Catonic> strages: you're actually going to defcon?! 02:45 <@strages> yes 02:45 <@strages> work's paying for me to go 02:45 <@Catonic> nice. 02:46 <@Catonic> fri/sat/sun? 02:47 <@strages> aye 02:47 <@strages> well coming back sunday 02:47 <@Catonic> holler. ya got my number. 02:47 <@Catonic> I'll be there by 10am. 02:47 <@strages> won't have a cell 02:48 <@Catonic> can't take the work one? 02:49 <@strages> don't have one anymore 02:49 <@Catonic> memphis to las vegas: 3 hr 25 min 02:50 <@strages> why memphis? 02:50 <@Catonic> never been there before 02:50 <@Catonic> that's also why I am connecting through minneapolis on the way home 02:51 <@Catonic> the connection I wanted costs $800... 02:51 <@Catonic> bhm to clt to Orange County Airport (OC, CA, US) 02:51 <@Catonic> to lasvegas 02:52 <@strages> that's too complicated 02:52 <@Catonic> My hobby is airport bingo. 02:52 <@strages> to each his own 02:54 <@strages> I'll be walking around twittering from my kindle most of the time 02:55 <@Catonic> kindle? 02:55 <@strages> aye 02:56 <@strages> Amazon Kindle 03:01 <@Catonic> cripes 03:03 <@strages> ? 03:03 <@Catonic> the price 03:04 <@strages> it's more than paid for itself already for me 03:04 <@strages> evdo cell connection with no service plan to speak of 03:04 <@strages> just comes with the device 03:06 <@Catonic> orly? 03:06 <@Catonic> Something about being addicted to teenie pop makes me want to get help... 03:10 -!- jonnyx [n=jonnyx@adsl-065-012-186-032.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:18 -!- Catonic_ [n=catonic@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 03:18 < Catonic_> i just discovered the grindy fan noise in the rack is not the router, but the UPS 03:27 -!- Catonic [n=catonic@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:27 -!- Catonic_ is now known as Catonic 03:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 03:34 -!- Spec1 [n=Administ@c-69-180-46-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:02 -!- Spec1 [n=Administ@c-69-180-46-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 04:41 <@Catonic> yawen 04:53 -!- jonnyx [n=jonnyx@adsl-065-012-186-032.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 06:00 <@aestetix> heh 06:00 <@aestetix> all the children are asleep 06:01 <@ware> nah 06:01 <@ware> excersize negro 06:01 <@aestetix> and the cows are awake 06:02 <@aestetix> I should probably eventually flip my sleep schedule back 06:09 <@aestetix> ware: what's up in the south? 06:29 <@ware> same ol same ol 06:29 <@ware> work and play and finding a balance 06:30 <@aestetix> heh 06:30 <@aestetix> yup I know that story 07:07 <@ware> taking back my mornings hasshoooooowopbedooo 07:07 <@ware> has been * 07:10 <@Shadow404> dude, im so tired 07:16 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o hobbes615] by ChanServ 07:27 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 07:55 -!- Gregabyte_ [n=wintermu@conference/asterisk/x-6673d1e67554be9d] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:01 <@aestetix> Young teens drinking animal cum 08:01 <@aestetix> that is the subject of the email I just got 08:02 <@I-MOD> you going to take them up on the offer? 08:04 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.52] has joined #se2600 08:15 <@Shadow404> hey, im still trying to get my cooter juice business started 08:16 <@Shadow404> im telling ya, some group of people will pay top price for it 08:16 < Curbob> don't think I'll be buying any of that ;) 08:17 <@Shadow404> think about it, you could have all kinds of flavors 08:17 <@Shadow404> hawian, german, spanish, canadian, all sorts of cooter juices from around the globe 08:18 < Curbob> i guess that's thinking outside the box 08:19 <@aestetix> Shadow404: your business propositions suck. 08:19 <@aestetix> Like when you said "hey, you're in atlanta, come buy me a drink" 08:19 <@aestetix> and then told me to paypal you money for a pint 08:19 < Curbob> lol 08:21 <@Shadow404> aestetix: hey, it would of worked, teh transaction would of been made, so where is the problem? 08:23 <@ware> halll0 erry buddy 08:24 <@Shadow404> hey slacker 08:24 <@Shadow404> aestetix: hey, now that i look at it, you are the one that didnt hold up your side of the deal 08:25 * Shadow404 reports aestetix inc. to the bbb 08:44 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 08:45 <@aestetix> wtf 08:49 <@ware> gotta go troubleshoot an exchange issue 08:49 <@ware> another tech fubar'd it up, moved database and logs to another drive 08:49 <@ware> rebooted and didnt test 08:49 <@ware> fucking win 08:51 <@aestetix> that's what she said 08:51 <@Shadow404> wow losers, were is the best place to grind for light leather? 08:52 <@Shadow404> alliance btw 08:53 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has joined #se2600 08:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 08:55 < Curbob> i'd guess outside ironforge, lots of wolves and boar there 08:59 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 09:05 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 09:06 * Curbob will be a h0ez today! 09:13 -!- dasunt [n=nobody@unaffiliated/dasunt] has joined #se2600 09:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dasunt] by ChanServ 09:13 <@dasunt> I need to allow users to browse (preferrably via http) a samba file share from windows xp/vista machines, and only allow access to files they have permission to. 09:34 -!- Netsplit kubrick.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @Corydon76-dig, @tzanger, jonnyx, @aestetix, @rhia, @SkyDog_ 09:39 -!- tzanger [n=tzanger@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- jonnyx [n=jonnyx@adsl-065-012-186-032.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- rhia [n=rhia@cpe-76-184-98-159.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- SkyDog_ [n=SkyDog@mail.mybluefunk.com] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- Corydon76-dig [i=silver@pdpc/supporter/bronze/Corydon76-home] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+oooo tzanger rhia SkyDog_ Corydon76-dig] by irc.freenode.net 09:39 -!- aestetix [n=aestetix@66.11.117.140] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o aestetix] by irc.freenode.net 09:40 <@Evilpig> dasunt: only way to do that is webdav. and that setup would be pretty damned complicated 09:41 <@Evilpig> the http portion you want doesn't really go well for the user rights 09:41 <@Evilpig> because them accessing the page means the server has to have rights to the files. 09:47 <@aestetix> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1218033859235.gif 09:47 <@aestetix> this is for Catonic 09:48 <@aestetix> (yes sfw_ 09:48 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:49 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has joined #se2600 09:52 <@SkyDog_> Morning all. 09:52 <@aestetix> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1218033938443.gif this one too (nsfw) 09:52 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.52] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:52 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.34] has joined #se2600 09:54 <@nachoguy> mr0nin 09:57 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.34] has quit [Client Quit] 10:22 < M0j0-j0j0> dasunt: I set up webdav with htaccess 10:43 -!- Gregabyte_ [n=wintermu@conference/asterisk/x-920d1af569a321c1] has joined #se2600 10:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Gregabyte_] by ChanServ 10:59 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:01 * ware sticks out a bare foot waiting for a big toe suckle 11:01 <@ware> cmon M0j0-j0j0 11:10 < M0j0-j0j0> ware: I think there is some fictional world that's missing your full attention 11:10 <@Dolemite> ware : I dinged 50 last night 11:10 <@ware> ^5 11:10 <@Dolemite> no twinkin' for me 11:11 <@ware> M0j0-j0j0: i dont read any fiction books while im at work =/ 11:15 < M0j0-j0j0> It was a dark and stormy night in Assgauard. The only sound that could be made out over the rain crashing into the stone walkway was the occasional rush of laughter from the local tavern. 11:16 < M0j0-j0j0> Drawing closer one could make out the voice of the war seasoned dwarf Dolemite and his battalion. 11:18 <@ware> !!! 11:18 <@ware> then wut? 11:21 < M0j0-j0j0> Suddenly, a hurricane force gust of wind blows in the tavern as if it was directed to do so by the gods. 11:22 <@ware> ohn0es! 11:22 < M0j0-j0j0> and the last fires illuminating the bar flicker out Dolemite jumps to his feet. 11:22 <@ware> save us Dolemite! 11:23 < M0j0-j0j0> recovers from a stumble and readies his weapon. 11:23 < M0j0-j0j0> then, in a deep voice yells out "WARE! CLOSE YOUR LEGS!" 11:23 * ware chugs his beer and grabs a 2 handed mace 11:23 <@ware> "MAH BAD! TOO MUCH ALE" 11:23 <@Evilpig> who wants a laugh? 11:24 < M0j0-j0j0> anything to make the day go faster 11:24 <@ware> im teh lulz atm 11:24 <@ware> M0j0-j0j0++ 11:24 <@Evilpig> Head of IT in baltimore sends an email to this plant in New Johnsonville that he needs the local admin account password so he can access the servers down here. Now you have to understand they have a single domain that covers about 8 - 10 sites and this guy has his account at the top of the domain. 11:25 <@Evilpig> he has NO IDEA that he already has access to this server 11:25 <@ware> lulzn00b 11:26 <@Evilpig> "2. We need the password for the NJV Admin account. 11:27 <@Evilpig> I guess I could just connect to his PC across the wan and tell him I have access to his. why doesn't he have access to mine. 11:28 < M0j0-j0j0> wow... can I send them an email and have them make my account an admin account 11:29 <@Evilpig> I made my own account an admin 11:31 <@Dolemite> mMMmMmmmm... naked Cindy Crawford boobies 11:32 < M0j0-j0j0> Dear Sir, Please set up an administrator account with the username m0j0. The password should be pwningUfr0mf@raway and will need to set active immediately. Please make this as high of a priority as you can because we have a lot of revenue to migrate off your companies network. 11:33 < M0j0-j0j0> Kindest Regaurds, Harry Richards, Corporate Security: Revenue Migration Division 11:34 <@SkyDog_> Ok, are we officially the second longest running hacker conference in the US? 11:36 <@Dolemite> second longest running annual hacker conference 11:36 <@Dolemite> longest running 501c3 hacker conference 11:36 <@Dolemite> first 501c3 hacker conference 11:37 <@Dolemite> drunkest regional hacker conference in the world 11:37 <@Dolemite> most chair throwing hacker conference in the world 11:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Longest regional hacker con 11:38 <@ware> ftw 11:38 <@ware> that was me 11:38 <@ware> btw 11:38 <@ware> <- chair throwin extrodinare 11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> You're a region? 11:38 <@ware> hai, u can haz mah autograph 11:38 <@ware> yes, im a region 11:38 <@Dolemite> least hot tub sex0ring hacker conference 11:38 <@ware> my cock is so large it has its own zip code 11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: only in your room 11:39 <@Dolemite> No, I'm pretty sure that the hot tub sex isn't going on in the vast majority of rooms 11:39 <@Dolemite> and we really don't want to hear about yours 11:39 <@ware> grooss. 11:40 <@Dolemite> ok, lunch time 11:45 <@ware> YAY ALMOS SHUTDOWN REMOTE PRODUCTSHUN XCHANG SRVR 11:45 <@ware> LULZ BUT I CAUGHT MAHSLEF 11:45 <@ware> pretty leet skilz eh? inorite 12:02 <@SkyDog_> http://129.59.238.239/Phreaknic12_Flyers.pdf 12:06 <@SkyDog_> Ok, that's the version that's going to DefCon for Advertising. 12:10 <@critch> SkyDog_: I know I have been out of the loop for a while, is that pic from the art contest this year? 12:10 <@SkyDog_> Yep. 12:11 <@critch> nice, I like the references to last years schwag in the pic too. 12:11 < wrench___> SkyDog_: flyers look good. 12:12 < wrench___> critch: you been riding that Aprilla much this summer? 12:12 <@critch> yep, turned 48k miles on it just the other day. Only had the bike 3 years now. 12:12 <@SkyDog_> critch: Yeah, that added a bit to it, I think. 12:12 < wrench___> critch: nice. That's alot of saddle time 12:13 <@critch> Did a 200+ mile ride with chick Sunday that involved a really interesting creek crossing. 12:13 < wrench___> critch: yall get wet? 12:13 <@SkyDog_> Reminds me, I need to call and see about getting a battery for the bike. The one they had at O'reilleys was $68. 12:13 < wrench___> SkyDog_: will it fit? 12:14 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, it will. 12:14 <@SkyDog_> It's not a sealed battery like hte other one is, but it's the right size. 12:14 <@critch> what bike are you putting it in? Also the bats at car parts shops usually only last about 1 year before dying. 12:15 <@SkyDog_> '99 Yamaha Vstar 1100 12:15 < wrench___> SkyDog_: Sealed would be better...but anything that fits will work for now. Critch is right about low life for those types though. Dealing with all that battery acid is a pain too. 12:16 <@SkyDog_> Yeah. I'd prefer sealed. 12:16 < wrench___> did you get a quote from yamaha? 12:16 <@SkyDog_> NOt yet. Need to call. 12:23 < wrench___> SkyDog_: just called Yamaha of Cool Springs. They have a Yamaha brand battery for ur bike for $139.99. That's a sealed battery. Part# GT14B-4 12:23 <@critch> SkyDog_: what size bat do you have? most bikes are just a few sizes. You might try getting yours directly from someone other than the Stealer. There is a Deka shop over off of Myatt Dr 12:23 * ware is thinkin about get tables again 12:23 <@ware> serato.com 12:23 <@ware> scratch live is the shit 12:24 <@ware> reason i sold mine before cause I didnt have a way to get new media 12:24 <@ware> to play 12:27 <@Evilpig> corporate politics are a pita 12:28 <@nachoguy> http://afrojacks.com/images/mr rogers pop and lock.gif 12:32 <@ware> Site blocked. afrojacks.com is not allowed on this network. 12:32 <@ware> This site was categorized as: 12:32 <@ware> Pornography, Nudity 12:34 <@ware> lol nice 12:37 <@critch> SkyDog_: looks like your bike and mine use the same battery, read this, http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-18504.html 12:37 < wrench___> Springs. They have a Yamaha brand â@Dementia 12:37 < wrench___> battery for ur bike for $139.99. â@Dolemite 12:37 < wrench___> That's a sealed battery. Part# â@Drag0n 12:37 <@SkyDog_> RIGHT CLICK! 12:37 <@SkyDog_> :) 12:38 <@ware> weechat 12:38 <@Evilpig> you know you have done a good job when you can literally hear the steam shooting from a techs ears in anger over the phone 12:39 <@critch> BTW, I have many friends who ride the vstars, one of them recently had a really odd problem. The splines between the rear-end and the wheel stripped out. Left him stranded on the side of the rode with no warning. Luckily it seems it isn't an expensive fix. 12:39 <@Evilpig> Dear Andrew, You lose. DIAF, --Pig 12:40 <@SkyDog_> Thanks for the heads up Critch! 12:41 <@Dagmar> Whoa 12:42 <@Dagmar> 3x XP gain? 12:42 <@Dagmar> http://www.massively.com/2008/08/05/blizzard-unveils-changes-to-wow-recruit-a-friend-program/ 12:42 <@Dagmar> Cra-a-a-a-a-azy. 12:46 <@Evilpig> this just in from the crazy IT front. Having multiple DNS servers on your servers / workstations adds latency to the network! 12:47 <@Dagmar> Whoa 12:47 <@Dagmar> Who the hell said that one?> 12:47 <@Evilpig> the guy who controlls the firewall in baltimore 12:48 <@Evilpig> and I'm supposed to give him passwords and a network map of this plant 12:49 <@Dagmar> Send him flyers for Net+ training seminars in his area. 12:50 <@Evilpig> I was thinkgin about attaching rfc's 12:51 <@Evilpig> this guy is supposedly an mcse too 12:52 <@Dagmar> You could just call him out. 12:52 <@Evilpig> I tried. he just got pissy 12:52 <@Dagmar> Ask him how much latency it adds 12:52 <@Dagmar> ...and maybe CC bugtraq. ;) 12:52 <@Evilpig> he puts mcse/mcsa on his business card. doesn't mcse imply mcsa ? 12:52 <@Dagmar> Hey he paid good money for those letters 12:54 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: I think so... 12:55 <@Evilpig> yeah that is pretty much what I said to the IT guy and the plant manager here. that owuld be like me putting CNE/CNA on my cards. 12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: well, technically, any traffic on the network adds latency. However, the increase is so small as to be laughable. 12:58 <@polerin> correct me if I'm wrong (i'm no admin..) but it doesn't hit the secondary dns server unless the primary times out/can't find the domain/etc ? 12:59 <@tzanger> OH NOES MY POWRPOINTS ARE LOADING 0.01ms SLOWER WE MUST HAEV 10GE RIGHT NAO! 12:59 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-dig: assuming it failed the primary dns and had to use the secondary sure 12:59 <@SkyDog_> Has everyone that is going to look at the flyer done so? I'd like to turn off the webserver now. 13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: oh, nevermind, I was thinking about a secondary DHCP server 13:00 <@polerin> s'what I was thinking ;p 13:03 <@oddball> weeeeeeeeeee! 13:04 <@oddball> The cabling job for the new office that's supposed to open Monday might be done Friday! 13:04 <@Dagmar> In no way will multiple DNS servers slow down a machine. 13:05 <@Dagmar> No wait, it *could*, I suppose, make the Internet Explorer "This hostname doesn't resolve" page take marginally longer to appear, aince the machine will be asking two nameservers instead of one. 13:05 <@Dagmar> Either way that man is completely wrong. 13:08 <@critch> is it me, or has NLUG become utterly useless? 13:09 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: beyond useless 13:09 <@SkyDog_> http://129.59.238.239/Phreaknic12_Flyers.pdf 13:10 <@Dagmar> critch: "become'? 13:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: it wasn't useless back in '99, when I joined 13:11 <@critch> well, I know it has been on a downward spiral for a long time. 13:11 < Pr0nStrGeek_Work> and it's not just NLUG either... 13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Rick Bradley summed it up... in the beginning we had a balance of people coming in on the ground floor, and advanced people leaving. As Linux distros got better, we lost the steady stream of newbies, but the advanced people kept leaving at the same rate as before 13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Now the only people who come into the group are the utterly stupid who can't read help files. 13:13 <@Dagmar> ...which the gurus want nothing to do with. 13:13 <@Dagmar> THANKS, UBUNTU! 13:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: you can blame Mandrake before that 13:13 <@Dolemite> I blame DoS. 13:13 <@tzanger> I have a phone interview with Canonical tomorrow 13:13 <@I-MOD> "but my linucks isn't working right yet! you have to help me!! plz plz plz!!" 13:13 <@Dolemite> Did anybody else notice that I listed her as "DoS" in the meeting minutes this month? 13:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: it was pretty dead before her, already 13:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: but 'utterly stupid' applies 13:14 <@critch> Dolemite: yeah, I did 13:14 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Unfortunately, I think that "udderly stupid" also applies 13:14 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: I disagree with that observation; newbies have always been jerks 13:15 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: yes, but we used to get a better quality of newbies, those with thick skins 13:15 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: and brains, with awful documentation 13:15 <@tzanger> I think Gentoo did more to harm the community than any toher distro... it made everyone feel they were an ueberhax0r, so when they got smacked with the newspaper of their own ignorance, the turned into whining pissants demanding props because they knew how to emerge with USE flags 13:15 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: those are still around 13:15 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: I don't think I could agree that they came to us with thick skins, we just tanned them quickly 13:16 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: people who can read documentation don't pursue the usergroup anymore 13:16 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: you are just seeing a higher noise from the rush of the Windows crowd coming over 13:16 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: you mean the cattle 13:17 <@tzanger> yes 13:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Grunt loudly and shit where they stand 13:19 <@Dagmar> heh 13:19 * Corydon76-dig wonders if daveman finally agrees that we should have put NLUG out of its misery back when I finally resigned 13:21 <@critch> heh, I guess I am so far out of the loop I didn't know you resigned. 13:22 <@Dagmar> If I'd a half a clue how to fix it I would 13:22 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: I haven't been involved for the past 2 years 13:23 <@Dolemite> it's been that long? I was just sitting here thinking that was last year... 13:23 <@Dolemite> time flies 13:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: I think so 13:25 <@ware> PEEN SPAM JUNK FUCK LULZ HDTV FOOT HACK SLAM PISS 13:25 <@Dagmar> Assuming you don't have monopoly lawyers making sure you can't get a reasonable price without a "licence agreement" 13:25 <@Dagmar> wrong chan 13:25 <@ware> Dagmar: i think it fits 13:25 * Dagmar shrugs. 13:26 <@ware> BitchX-1.0c19+ 13:26 <@ware> you could d/l a real irc client 13:26 <@ware> and split chans to winderz 13:26 <@Dagmar> Already doin' that monkey-boy. 13:26 <@ware> but thats not as much fun for ADD minded 13:27 * ware goes back to picking fleas out of Dolemite's hair 13:40 <@oddball> more like Dagmar types to fast and doesn't bother checking where it's going. 13:43 <@Dagmar> @#$@$# FTC's website is boned 13:43 <@ware> oh srry that wuz me 13:43 <@Dagmar> They don't seem to think the office number is in the DNC registry 13:43 -!- m0j0-j0j1 [n=jkemppda@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 13:43 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm not sure it's actually sending out hte confirmation emails. 13:45 <@Dagmar> Nevermind, they were just slow. 13:45 <@Dagmar> If those asshats call one more time I'm going to see about getting them fined. 13:46 <@Dagmar> By the way, I'm not suggesting anyting in particular, but if you (like me) have free long distance and want to amuse yourself... here's a URL... http://fakenamegenerator.com 13:46 <@Dagmar> ...and here's a phone number. 562-289-8141. 13:46 <@Dagmar> Good social engineering practice, seeing if you can help a nonexistant person lose six thousand dollars in credit card debt. 13:46 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.34] has joined #se2600 13:49 -!- MaxieZ [n=MaxieZ@atlanta.national-net.com] has joined #se2600 13:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v MaxieZ] by ChanServ 13:51 <@Dagmar> ' What we need is an economic surge" 13:51 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' please 13:51 < Curbob> that's a drink isn't it? 13:52 <@ware> wake n bake n 13:52 <@ware> http://www.finesttech.com/techonology/the-alarm-clock-with-smell-of-bacon.html 13:53 < Curbob> nasty! 13:56 <@ware> nasty? 13:56 <@ware> youre crazy. 13:56 <@nachoguy> tzanger, you're going to work for Canonical? that's awesome 13:56 <@ware> wtf is wrong with people 13:56 <@ware> bacon is the shit 13:56 < Curbob> i like it but don't want it in my bedroom! 13:57 <@ware> put it in the kitchen 13:57 < Curbob> lol 13:58 <@tzanger> nachoguy: I didn't get the job yet 13:59 <@critch> hmm, think it might be a bit more sanitary to douse a warm lightbulb with bacon flavored/scented fluid. No need for the biohazard waiting to happen, and mouse attractant. 13:59 <@nachoguy> still, interviewing with them is cool 14:01 < m0j0-j0j1> free lunch 14:04 < m0j0-j0j1> I'm in the never ending meeting 14:04 <@Evilpig> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2182.html <-- just sent this to the "network expert" in baltimore 14:04 <@Evilpig> since he wants us to just use one dns server for lookups 14:04 <@critch> damn, that just evoked the memory of the robot chiken never ending party skit 14:09 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 14:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 14:17 -!- TheLightTangent [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:18 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has quit ["who's life in rain?"] 14:18 -!- TheLightTangent [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:19 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:20 < TheLightCosine> Hello 14:20 < Curbob> Jello 14:23 < TheLightCosine> mmm jello... 14:23 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has joined #se2600 14:25 <@aestetix> fucking asians 14:25 <@aestetix> god damn bown of ramen just made me puke 14:26 <@Dagmar> This is why you use boiling water, not just hot. 14:26 <@aestetix> it was horrible 14:27 <@aestetix> I woke up in a cold sweat, figured "ok I'm dehydrated might as well drink some water" 14:27 <@aestetix> as I kept drinking, got worse and worse, till the inevitable happened 14:29 <@tzanger> you pissed your bed? 14:29 <@aestetix> no, I puked in the sink 14:29 <@tzanger> you're eating Ramen, what did you expect 14:31 <@aestetix> well at least I feel a lot better now 14:34 <@tzanger> you always feel great after you puke 14:34 <@tzanger> I find that very very strange 14:34 <@tzanger> you obvioulsy WEREN'T, yet your feel on top of the world for about 15 minutes 14:34 < TheLightCosine> I'm probably just blind but I can't seem to find the admission cost for PhreakNIC, might someone share/kick me in the right direction? 14:34 <@Dolemite> $20 pre-reg, $25 at the door 14:35 <@SkyDog_> I will be updating information on the website this afternoon. Sorry about that. 14:35 < TheLightCosine> oh , wow thats a lot cheaper than i expected 14:35 < TheLightCosine> thanks 14:35 <@SkyDog_> See you there! :) 14:35 < Curbob> can't wait!! 14:35 < TheLightCosine> I'm new to the Nashville area, so i'm rather excited about the con 14:36 <@SkyDog_> Are you in Nashville? 14:36 < TheLightCosine> murfreesboro, but I work in Nashville 14:36 <@Shadow404> heh, coil is spamming me to get his acces back to channel 14:37 <@SkyDog_> Coolness. We have the Nashville2600 group, along with HackerConsortium.com. 14:37 <@aestetix> SkyDog_: so uh 14:37 <@Dagmar> Fuck hin 14:37 <@aestetix> You have the HackerPimps, right? 14:37 <@Dagmar> What was the breaking point that made someone ban coil, anyway? 14:37 <@aestetix> What about the HackerHookers? 14:37 <@Dolemite> Rutherford County, reprahzent! 14:38 <@Dolemite> dagmar : He tried to ban you this morning, and we just can't have that. 14:38 <@Dagmar> Pfft. He did that yesterday 14:38 <@Dagmar> I can undo ti 14:38 < TheLightCosine> yeah i was checking out the nashville2600 site today, hence popping back here...although I fear a resurgence of irc addiction now 14:38 <@Dolemite> ah, yesterday 14:38 <@Dagmar> Frankly I worry more about this telling everyone to die in a fire bullshit 14:38 <@aestetix> TheLightCosine: that'll pass. Don't worry. 14:38 <@Dolemite> well anyway, he's just been more coil than usual 14:39 <@SkyDog_> aestetix: Have not found enough willin women. :) 14:39 <@aestetix> But you're a pimp! come on! 14:39 < TheLightCosine> heh, i was a bad DALnet junkie once upon a time 14:39 <@SkyDog_> TheLightCosine: Come to the next meeting! 14:40 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 14:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 14:40 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: There some personal details that are best kept private. 14:40 <@ShadowHntr> sup Dagmar 14:41 < TheLightCosine> sorry dagmar, i didn't know that DALnet was a shameful thing to admit to being a part of 14:41 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: Surely you've heard about them in comparison to EFNet, right? 14:41 < TheLightCosine> oh no...not this again 14:41 <@Dagmar> Undernet being where the people who weren't smart enouogh to survive on EFnet... 14:42 <@Dagmar> ...DALnet being for the people who couldn't even handle undernet. 14:42 < TheLightCosine> ouch man 14:42 <@SkyDog_> Dagmar: Way to welcome a guy... Jesus. 14:42 < TheLightCosine> lol 14:42 <@Dagmar> When you say "I used to use DALNet a lot" I kinda visualize a safety helmet and smacking your wrist into your chest. ;) 14:42 <@ware> http://modifiedliving.com/Hamster.htm 14:43 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: Hey, I'm just explaining what impression DALnet makes. ;) 14:43 < TheLightCosine> Dagmar: don't forget the shortbus 14:43 <@Dagmar> I won't hold it against him 14:43 < TheLightCosine> you wanna make it worse Dagmar? When i started IRC...I used mIRC! *cries in shame* 14:43 <@Dolemite> Most of the S&M club people from The Chamber in ATL used to talk on DALnet. 14:43 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: Well, if there were a bunch of you who all came in at once... 14:44 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: That's gotta be the masochism end of things at work 14:44 <@ShadowHntr> TheLightCosine: my mom irc'ed using pirch... 14:44 <@ShadowHntr> i used mirc for a little while 14:44 <@ShadowHntr> and BitchX 14:44 <@ShadowHntr> i use xchat and BitchX nowadays. 14:45 < TheLightCosine> yeah, xchat here. If i could SSH out of work i'd use bitchx 14:45 < TheLightCosine> but then i'd never get crap done 14:46 <@ShadowHntr> lol 14:46 <@Dagmar> Hmm... I kinda view BitchX as less damanding 14:46 < TheLightCosine> my boss already gets a little irked when the first thing i do is pop open userfriendly lol 14:47 <@ware> uhh... 14:47 <@ware> ssh over 443 14:48 * someninjamaster hits ware with a brick 14:49 <@ware> HAI MEET MAH FORCEFIELD 14:49 <@ware> *BOUNCE 14:49 <@ware> * 14:49 <@ware> THNX 14:49 < mrtsunami> o.o 14:49 < TheLightCosine> *forhead slap* 14:49 <@Dagmar> heh 14:49 <@Dagmar> Some people probably should still be on DALnet 14:50 <@ware> never been, im still on EFNet 14:50 <@Dagmar> I swear to god ware doesn't behave like this IRL. 14:50 < TheLightCosine> lol 14:50 <@Dagmar> It's just weird. 14:50 * ShadowHntr smacks ware on the back of the head like Gibbs from NCIS :) 14:50 < TheLightCosine> besides, I heard DALnet died a horrible death 14:50 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: i get the same feeling :P 14:50 <@Dagmar> I suspect we might be just meeting someone ware has hired to play him. 14:50 * ware flags ShadowHntr in the NCIC db 14:50 <@ShadowHntr> lol 14:50 <@ShadowHntr> ware: been there, done that, been flagged as a criminal in AFIS database - my supervisor had to clear it up ;) 14:51 <@someninjamaster> Dagmar: its kinda like a split personality deal 14:51 <@someninjamaster> he gets drunk and stupid 14:51 <@ware> ShadowHntr: he just wanted a free BJ from you to 'clear it up' 14:51 <@ShadowHntr> was a SHE 14:51 <@ShadowHntr> :) 14:51 <@Shadow404> heh, coil is spamming me to get his acces back to channel 14:51 * ware pwnt 14:52 <@someninjamaster> back to which channel 14:52 <@ShadowHntr> Shadow404: guess that's what happens when he doesn't register his own channel ;P 14:52 <@ware> Dagmar: rofl im just an asshat online 14:52 <@Shadow404> oh ware, he said the following: 14:52 <@Shadow404> 21:18 < scott> Shadow404: hey can youy unban me from se2600 14:52 <@Shadow404> 21:19 < scott> cuz ware is a fucking nigger faggot 14:52 <@Shadow404> 21:19 < scott> and they disabled my unbanning access 14:52 <@Shadow404> rofl 14:52 <@ware> yeah that could have been sent in private 14:52 < TheLightCosine> coil is the chan founder? 14:52 <@someninjamaster> not this one 14:52 <@ware> he can stay +b til the weekend 14:53 <@Shadow404> agreed 14:53 <@ware> imo* ~ 14:53 <@ShadowHntr> ware: nah, you're just a cockgobbler ;) 14:53 <@someninjamaster> i think corydon owns it 14:53 <@Dagmar> "founderer" is more like it 14:53 <@someninjamaster> notice without coil ware really doesnt have anything to create a rucus about 14:54 <@ware> you need to scrollback if you believe that nonsense haha 14:55 < TheLightCosine> what the bloody....I was burning a DVD on my windows box and all of a sudden it errored out an now 40GB of free space on my hd just got eaten up by something 14:55 <@ShadowHntr> i leave for Louisville for a week on Sunday 14:55 <@ware> tmp files? are you ripping a movie 14:55 <@ShadowHntr> got a job up there 14:55 * someninjamaster trys to refrain from making a windows sucks comment 14:55 < TheLightCosine> not ripping, burning with DVDFlick 14:55 <@ShadowHntr> lol 14:55 <@ware> ^5 hope it works out ShadowHntr 14:55 <@ShadowHntr> thx ware 14:56 < TheLightCosine> probably died during the encoding 14:56 < TheLightCosine> but 40gb? 14:56 <@ShadowHntr> ware: $18/hr contract on a trial period and then they hire me permanent 14:56 <@ware> 4gb maybe *shrug* 14:56 <@ware> ShadowHntr: dont get sick 14:56 <@ShadowHntr> ware: already got that covered 14:56 <@ware> :P woord 14:56 <@ShadowHntr> got refills of all my meds 14:56 < TheLightCosine> someninjamaster: yes windows sucks....but so does WINE =P 14:57 <@ware> TheLightCosine: are you new around here? 14:57 <@ShadowHntr> and have another appt with my neurologist next week, which i will have to reschedule. 14:57 <@Shadow404> hes from coils channel 14:57 * TheLightCosine nods and prepares for the flame... 14:57 <@Shadow404> heh 14:57 <@ware> sall goot, was just curious 14:58 < TheLightCosine> wheeew 14:59 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["End of line."] 15:00 <@ware> were you ever involved in organized gaming around here? kat5kaos lans or anything? 15:00 <@ware> ident looks familiar 15:00 < TheLightCosine> nope, just moved down here from PA about 4 months ao 15:01 <@ware> cool beans, the nash2600 group is pretty cool 15:01 <@ware> if youre around you should come to a meeting 15:02 < TheLightCosine> it's already a lot better than i feared..i expected....well Effnet =P 15:02 < TheLightCosine> or myabe 4chan 15:02 < TheLightCosine> you guys meet first friday each month right? 15:02 <@ware> id say im closest to those antics than anyone else, most are quite level headed professionals 15:02 <@Corydon76-dig> If you're really lucky, I won't find you attractive 15:03 <@ware> yep on vandy campus 15:03 <@ware> just had a meeting this past friday 15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: when did you ban coil? 15:03 <@ware> 85291 secs ago 15:03 < TheLightCosine> yeah i'll definately try to make the next meeting, i'll probably be the really tired bloke. I'm on a UK schedule =) 15:04 <@Dagmar> So, about this time yesterday then 15:04 <@ware> 1 421.51667 minutes 15:04 <@Dagmar> Well, it's just very close to 86400 seconds, which is something anyone whose done a lot of zone file editing will recognize 15:04 <@ware> 23.68 hrs ago 15:04 <@ware> hehe 15:04 <@ware> ahh yeah i didnt recognize that 15:05 <@Dagmar> Wow. 15:05 <@Dagmar> Some of these people have no idea how to sell a bike 15:05 <@Dagmar> http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/785660795.html 15:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: or scheduling programs 15:05 <@Dagmar> Can he give any LESS useful details? 15:05 <@tzanger> that's why you snap it up for a song then 15:05 <@Dagmar> $1900 is not a "song" 15:05 <@tzanger> ah true 15:05 <@aestetix> wow 15:05 <@Dagmar> It could be one of those abominable chinese scooters 15:05 <@aestetix> ok no more ramen from that place 15:05 < TheLightCosine> I'll fess up now though, I am far from super l337. heck this box is freaking Ubuntu...i feel like i should be wearing that helmet 15:06 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: Knowing is half the battle 15:06 * ware gives TheLightCosine a butt-helmet 15:06 <@tzanger> butt helmet? 15:06 <@tzanger> which end woudl that go on? 15:06 <@ware> TheLightCosine: everyone has something to learn about any given thing, so dont feel inferior 15:06 <@Dagmar> There need to be more 125xx scooters listed (for more than an hour) 15:06 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: yeah, unless you're a huge 'tard, you're probably already way ahead of ware 15:07 <@Dagmar> By the middle of next week I'll probably just be breaking down to buy a new one 15:07 <@ware> tzanger: youtube it lol 15:07 <@tzanger> heh 15:08 <@ware> Dagmar: you have turntables dont you? or used to? 15:08 <@ware> i sold my technics mk2's about a year and a half ago because i didnt know about serato's scratch live 15:08 <@ware> now im thinkin about getting some more 15:08 <@someninjamaster> what channel does coil have 15:09 <@ware> he haz his whole server 15:10 <@someninjamaster> ah 15:10 <@someninjamaster> do you still have yours up 15:10 < TheLightCosine> hmm time to up my niccotine dose 15:10 <@someninjamaster> the last few times i have tried to connect it was down 15:11 <@ware> someninjamaster: yah 15:11 <@ware> SSL only 15:20 < TheLightCosine> woah......okay this is flipping weird 15:21 < TheLightCosine> i was downloading a torrent, it canceled out at 1% saying not enough file space, but the files all show their compelte file size as if i had finished downloading them on the hd 15:21 <@Evilpig> that isn't weird 15:21 <@Evilpig> that just means your client is smart enough to preallocate the space 15:21 <@Evilpig> you sir go sit next to ware on the stool 15:22 < TheLightCosine> I've never had an issue with utorrent before 15:22 <@Evilpig> uTorrent preallocates the space. 15:22 <@Evilpig> don't make me go screenshot the setting 15:24 <@Evilpig> okay so I have this switch. has no marking on it whatsoever to say who made it. 24 ports with a large expansion bay on the front. there is a sticker on the back that has a serial number and a mac address. I use the mac address "000a17020c91" and find out the mac space is allocated to a company in tw called netstar http://www.net-star.com.tw 15:24 <@Evilpig> checking against their product catalog I find a switch that matches mine with a differen color scheme. http://www.net-star.com.tw/product/Fast_Ethernet_Switch/Smart/FE-24E1FW.htm 15:25 <@Evilpig> can't find any manuals for this damn thing. the company apparently has OEM services and rebranded this thing for someone else but didn't put a fucking brand on it. who wants to play name that switch? 15:27 <@ware> Evilpig: replace it! 15:28 <@Evilpig> oh yeah I left out. I have a console access to it. and it also does not give any clues. 57600,8,n,1 no flow control comes to a login screen that just has the version of the hardware and the words web/snmp 15:37 < TheLightCosine> k, here's a retarded newb question, if a file is "in use" by a a zombie process but you aren't sure which process it is, is there any way to tell definitively what process has a lock on it? in windows that is. 15:43 <@Dagmar> Not really. 15:44 <@Dagmar> Not without installing special crap that would make it simpler by far just to reboot (which clears all file locks) and be done with it. 15:44 < TheLightCosine> kk 15:44 <@Dagmar> The sad, sad truth is that Windows is the last modern OS that can actually _lose_ a file lock and have no idea why it's got a file locked. 15:59 <@ware> anyone else read full-disclosure 15:59 <@nachoguy> not on a regular basis 16:00 -!- Feltenix [n=Tanstaaf@adsl-219-33-203.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 16:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Feltenix] by ChanServ 16:02 < TheLightCosine> freaking comcast!!!! 16:04 * Dagmar looks at FD 16:04 <@ware> n3td3v trolls me without even talking to me 16:05 <@ware> im surprised no one has beat his ass yet 16:05 <@ware> fuckhead pisses me off 16:07 -!- Feltenix [n=Tanstaaf@adsl-219-33-203.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit ["leaving"] 16:07 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:07 <@Corydon76-dig> You're surprised that a troll is trolling? 16:08 <@ware> im surprised he is still able to 16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Clearly, it's the highlight of his life that he's able to troll 16:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Think about it. When has n3td3v ever published something of value? 16:10 <@ware> thats hwat i was about to say 16:10 <@Corydon76-dig> He's a poser, even worse than you. At least you admit you pose 16:11 <@ware> throwing out hte 'im gonna get the law on you' bullshit ticks me off 16:11 <@ware> Corydon76-dig: you just wish id pose 16:11 <@ware> closest thing to that is the photobooth rofl 16:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Pose for the Small Penis Support Group? 16:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Wee Willy Winkie 16:12 <@polerin> http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/06/are-you-wearing-your-feminist-lesbian-uniform/ .... **snerk** 16:12 -!- Corydon76-dig was kicked from #se2600 by ware [no] 16:12 -!- Corydon76-dig [i=silver@pdpc/supporter/bronze/Corydon76-home] has joined #se2600 16:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-dig] by ChanServ 16:12 <@polerin> I don't normally pass political links in here 16:13 <@polerin> but that's just too damn funny 16:13 <@ware> polerin: wow. no feministe.us links and no snerking, weirdo 16:13 <@polerin> make sure you read the second link in the blog before continuing ("to wear your feminist and lesbian uniform") 16:13 <@ware> ##gay 16:15 <@rhia> polerin: heh 16:16 <@polerin> seriously... who passed the crazy juice to that guy 16:16 -!- Pr0nStrGeek_Work [n=bleh@66.199.31.1] has left #se2600 [] 16:25 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:25 < TheLightCosine> grr 16:25 < TheLightCosine> stupid AP keeps popping up to tantalise me, then dissapears before i can finish associating 16:28 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.34] has quit [] 16:34 <@ware> TheLightCosine: that wuz me 16:42 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:43 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:47 <@Dagmar> polerin: The guy that article is ranting against would not survive having to deal with someone like me 16:48 <@Dagmar> "Jeans making me confused? Hell no, I like sex. Lots of it. With men and women, preferably in large groups. Maybe some livestock, too." 16:52 <@Dagmar> Oh it's fuckin' ON 16:52 <@Dagmar> Time to start fucking with the Chinese Olympics 16:52 <@polerin> lol 16:53 <@Dagmar> No, seriously. 16:53 <@polerin> seriously which 16:53 <@polerin> you messing with the twit or the olympics? 16:53 <@Dagmar> China revoked the Olympic visa of one of our people (who is a former medalist) because he was in support of stopping the carnage in Darfur 16:53 <@Dagmar> So that pretty much puts an end to my tolerance 16:54 <@rhia> so much for the games bringing people together 16:54 <@Dagmar> They just polticized the Olympics, which means as far as I care, I get to give them shit for being a bunch of backwards megalomaniacs 16:54 <@polerin> :P 16:54 <@polerin> who don't have toilets 16:54 <@polerin> (not kidding, google for it) 16:55 <@polerin> brb 16:55 <@Dagmar> Oh I'll Googling for a whole lot of shit with site:.cn this evening 16:55 <@Dagmar> "Oh I'm sorry, you mean you don't have any jurisdictional power to tell me to stop harassing your site? Oh, how sad..." 17:03 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:04 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:07 -!- Feltenix [n=Tanstaaf@adsl-219-168-220.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 17:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Feltenix] by ChanServ 17:23 < TheLightCosine> on a commercial wireless AP, any wireless clients ould be considered to be on the same port and segment wouldn't they? 17:25 <@Dagmar> wtf are you talking about 17:26 <@Dagmar> They're going to be of the same, limited, broadcast domain. 17:26 <@Dagmar> There are no "ports" on an AP since basically, ther'es no physical link 17:26 <@nachoguy> http://music.metafilter.com/2380/Punch-Em-In-The-Dick-NSFW-lyrics 17:26 <@Dagmar> Try to ask the question you mean, without filtering it through what you think you know 17:26 <@Dagmar> Like, ask the "real" question that's making you ask this one 17:28 <@Dagmar> ...cuz then we can give you a useful answer, and straighten out the bits that are making your questions sound like "clever" problems 17:29 < TheLightCosine> what i meant was that logically speaking, it would be as if they were going into the same port on a router 17:30 < TheLightCosine> i'm not trying to sound "clever" i'm trying to make sure i understand correctly 17:31 <@Dagmar> See, there's no context to what you're asking tho 17:31 <@Dagmar> Tehre's _no ports_ for wireless. 17:31 <@Dagmar> So there's no "same as". 17:31 <@Dagmar> They're of the same "broadcast domain" but that's about as close to a hack as it gets. 17:32 <@Dagmar> In an Infrastructure mode, none of the nodes talk to each other. They all talk to the AP, and any packets going between them go through the AP first. 17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I think he means network switch port 17:32 <@Dagmar> So it's not even like it's a router, it behaves more like a switch than anything else. 17:32 < TheLightCosine> okay, so then i guess my problem is a lack of propper udnerstanding of how wireless fits in with the rest of the switching done in in a wireless ap 17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> not protocol port 17:32 <@Dagmar> it doesn't do any switching, basically. 17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: you're talking about an AP connected to a managed switch, correct? 17:33 < TheLightCosine> corydon76-dig: I'm just talking about your basic commercial wireless router like a linksys or belkin 17:33 <@Corydon76-dig> A wireless AP is nothing more than a network bridge 17:34 <@Dagmar> You understand that by "broadcast domain" I'm talking about "how far packets which are destined for the protocol's broadcast address" will go, right? 17:34 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: I wish they were even bridges. 17:34 <@Dagmar> You can't generally get broadcast ethernet packets to traverse them. 17:34 <@Dagmar> Ip broadcast fine, but APple made the last ones that behaved like media converters 17:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: well, they're not really Ethernet, though 17:35 <@Dagmar> Whoa 17:35 <@Dagmar> THey _are_ ethernet. 17:35 <@Dagmar> In like a very specific way, they are _ethernet_. 17:35 <@Dagmar> 802.everything == ethernet 17:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Okay, in that they're part of the standard, yes 17:35 < TheLightCosine> okay, well now this seems to be getting close to my "real" problem, but i wanted to make sure my fundamental understanding wasn't flawed WHICH it appears it is 17:36 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: Yeah, after awhile you develop a sense for when someone's asking a question based on complete craziness 17:36 <@Dagmar> ...but what's the "real" problem 17:36 < TheLightCosine> gee thanks dagmar 17:37 <@Dagmar> No seriously, what's the real problem you're trying to figure out 17:37 < TheLightCosine> I was trying to figure out why I could not see traffic from my XP box using wireshark when i could plug both in via cat5 and see everything fine 17:37 <@Dagmar> That we can probably explain rather simply 17:37 <@Dagmar> Ah... 17:37 < TheLightCosine> sorry, I type horribly so i take a while to try and make sure i don't typo too horrifically 17:38 <@Dagmar> Like I said, in infrastructure mode, all the nodes (wireless cards) talk to the AP only 17:38 <@Dagmar> With respect to sniffing wireless, it's like they're on a switch all the time 17:38 < TheLightCosine> ah 17:38 <@Dagmar> You can't sniff wireless just by flipping on the PROMISC bit on the interface. That won't work at all 17:39 <@Dagmar> It's _possible_ to just eavesdrop on clear traffic, I did it about 5-6 years ago but I've not done it since so I've forgotten it all 17:40 <@Dagmar> This is where the phrase "broadcast domain" comes in handy 17:40 <@Dagmar> The "normal" broadcast domain for wireless ethernet in infrastructure mode is basically the node and the AP and that's it. 17:41 <@Dagmar> They act like switches in that respect 17:41 <@Dagmar> ...except if you try to spoof a MAC the whole thing melts. ;) 17:42 <@Dagmar> I tried that before I thought about it. Spent about 15 moinutes scratching my head 17:42 <@tzanger> bluetooth is more secure in this respect as it's the timing offsets that make it difficult to sniff 17:43 <@tzanger> you can't "see" the traffic, and I don't know of any commercial BT dongles you can put the baseband into a mode where you can directly manipulate the timing offsets 17:43 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:43 <@Dagmar> There's _probably_ a promiscuous mode for that buit i've not had time to lkook into it 17:43 <@Dagmar> Definitely it's looking like bluetooth would be less technically challenging to sniff 17:44 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:44 < TheLightCosine> grrr 17:44 <@tzanger> no, 802.anything is not ethernet 17:44 <@tzanger> 802.anything is networking 17:44 < eryc> http://www.leftmind.net/random/linuxbloat.jpg 17:44 <@Dagmar> with bt you've only got the one freq to worry about 17:45 <@Dagmar> Sorry, I mistyped... 802.11anything 17:45 <@Dagmar> Tehre happy? 17:45 < TheLightCosine> sorry, last thing i saw before i lost it was "it's like they're on a switch all the time" 17:45 <@tzanger> 802.3 is ethernet, 802.4 is (was) token ring, 802.16 is wimax,etc 17:45 <@Dagmar> " You can't sniff wireless just by flipping on the PROMISC bit on the interface. That won't work at all" 17:45 <@tzanger> Dagmar: much :-) 17:45 <@Dagmar> That's about the only important bit you missed 17:45 <@tzanger> what blows my mind is code division 17:45 < TheLightCosine> so is there any way to do it beside mitm? 17:46 <@tzanger> CDMA just amazes me 17:46 < TheLightCosine> heh 17:46 < TheLightCosine> why is that tzanger? 17:46 <@Dagmar> 802.5 was token ring or so I thought 17:46 <@Dagmar> Not like it mattersd 17:46 <@tzanger> some smart fucker thought "well we will just increase the wire rate, give everyone a code sequence, where if the code chip is '0', they can't transmit, and let them all at the exact same baseband" 17:46 <@Dagmar> Anyone using it should be shot 17:47 <@tzanger> depending on the coding, you either won't interfere with anyone else in the channel, or minimally 17:47 <@tzanger> it amazes me 17:47 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: You can sniff wireless. It's just not something most cards were designed to do 17:47 <@tzanger> not in a million billion years would I have ever thought to do something like that to share a chunk of spectrum 17:47 < TheLightCosine> *nod* with about 4 times the capacity of GSM 17:47 <@Dagmar> Ther'es some old ass cards around that I used to have two of that would let you sniff raw 17:47 <@tzanger> I'm talking CDMA in generic terms, not specifically for cell networks, but yeah 17:48 <@tzanger> GPS is also CDMA 17:48 <@Dagmar> I *think* I might have flung them into the lake after realizing I'd need to write an ethernet driver for them 17:48 < TheLightCosine> but your basic ARP posioning mitm attack would still work yes? 17:48 <@Dagmar> Nope. 17:48 < TheLightCosine> tzanger: really? I did not know that. 17:48 <@Dagmar> If you change your MAC, the AP will flush you 17:48 <@Dagmar> It will think you're a new node. 17:48 <@Dagmar> It is not fooled by such things. 17:49 < TheLightCosine> then how, for example, did those TJX guys do it? 17:49 <@Dagmar> Read http://www.kismetwireless.net/presentations/mhvlug-wireless.pdf 17:49 <@Dagmar> It's doable, but not in any way like the way you sniff wired ethernet 17:51 < TheLightCosine> hmm 17:51 <@Dagmar> That PDF should basically tell you everything you need to know. 17:51 < TheLightCosine> ya know, everytime i think i really know something i end up back at square-dumbass 17:52 <@Dagmar> Don't worry about it 17:52 <@Dagmar> Understand that knowing what you don't know is equally as important as knowing stuff. 17:52 <@Dagmar> Thinking you know something that you really don't is worse than not having a clue. 17:52 <@Dagmar> ...and in all cases, being able to _research_ to find stuff out is the world-ending skill 17:52 -!- MaxieZ [n=MaxieZ@atlanta.national-net.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:53 <@Dagmar> Like, fireworks is a good case of this for most people 17:53 < TheLightCosine> fireworks? 17:53 <+MxZBot> fireworks are starting downtown in Nashville 17:53 <@Dagmar> People think fire requires air. Nothing could be further from the truth. 17:54 <@Dagmar> Let's say for some insane reason, someone's got a lit firework in their hand, and they need to stop it going off indoors. 17:54 <@Dagmar> Most people who think they know something they don't might flush the thing down the toilet. 17:54 < TheLightCosine> hah 17:55 <@Dagmar> 'cept they have a "serious" firework which has a fuse that contains it's own fuel which will merrily burn at the bottom of the lake. 17:55 <@Dagmar> Someone who knows that air isn't going to help might think to use something handier, like sand or dirt or a can of compressed "air" because you can sure as hell put out something like that if you can _leach all the heat out of it_ 17:56 <@Dagmar> Less astute people might just pull the fuse out, which is probably the all-around most sensible solution. 17:57 <@Shadow404> ware: ping, you still on? 17:57 <@Dagmar> ...but it's the person who thought they knew something that didn't that'll be doing a lot of mopping and paying a plumber a lot of money 17:58 < TheLightCosine> I'm guessing in this analogy that i'm the guy who lit the fuse before he really thoguht about how the firework might explode 17:59 <@Dagmar> Well, it's a matter of you shouodn't feel bad that you mainly just found out that a lot of what you knew was wrong 17:59 <@Dagmar> ...because you're NOT the guy who blew up his toilet. 18:00 <@Dagmar> ...at least now you're not. 18:00 < TheLightCosine> lol 18:00 <@Dagmar> Dig? 18:00 <@Dagmar> Just lighting the fuse... pfft. Fire is fun. 18:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o poiupoiu] by ChanServ 18:01 < TheLightCosine> actually if you wanna be more accurate i think i'm the guy who cut the firework open and then couldn't figure out why he couldn't make one himself 18:03 < TheLightCosine> but that's the only way i really know how to work, is read as much as i can, then do things and try and pick apart how they happened on the back end. it's a clumsy process 18:03 < TheLightCosine> one reason i'm looking forward to phreaknic, i might actually get to learn some stuff from people who really know what they are doing 18:03 <@Dagmar> ...and with any luck the alcohol won't impede your ability to remember it 18:04 < TheLightCosine> provided i can even make it, my second kid is due roughly the same time period heh 18:05 <@Dagmar> Alcohol stalls labor. 18:05 <@Dagmar> I'm just sayin'. 18:05 < TheLightCosine> hah 18:06 < TheLightCosine> alcohol is what GOT me the first one man 18:08 -!- servant74 [n=jack@68-30-175-179.area4.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:09 < TheLightCosine> hmm about time for another hot niccotine infusion 18:10 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 18:10 <@dc0de> wheee! 18:12 -!- servant74 [n=jack@68-30-175-179.area4.spcsdns.net] has joined #se2600 18:21 <@dc0de> Ok, who's "NOT" going to Defcon? 18:22 < TheLightCosine> *sigh* me 18:23 * wizardpc checks his credit report... 18:23 <@poiupoiu> freeeeeee credit report dot com! 18:23 * dc0de checks wizardpc's credit report 18:24 <@wizardpc> no, annualcreditreport.com which is actually free 18:24 <@poiupoiu> and is ran by the same company 18:24 <@wizardpc> no... 18:24 <@poiupoiu> oh? i thought i remembered someone saying that the same people ran them both 18:25 < TheLightCosine> freecreditreport.com is run but experian i believe 18:25 <@wizardpc> no, the credit reports come from the same 3 companies 18:25 <@wizardpc> TheLightCosine is correct 18:26 <@poiupoiu> aha. point is, annualcreditreport.com is the good one, not the scam one 18:26 <@wizardpc> but at annualcreditreport.com you can get your credit report from all 3 reporting companies 18:26 <@sasquatc4> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/freereports/index.html 18:26 < TheLightCosine> you can at fcr.com too but you pay out the nose =P 18:26 <@Dagmar> ...and they're all soulless bastards. 18:26 < TheLightCosine> gah 18:26 < TheLightCosine> why oh why did i turn on coloured nicks! 18:26 <@Dagmar> ...although I think Free Credit Report.com is the most amoral of the lot 18:27 < TheLightCosine> dagmar is the most awful yellow 18:27 <@Dagmar> FCR.com: "True love is nothing compared to credit. Bad credit means your fiancee will call it off and you'll be all alone" 18:27 <@wizardpc> thats terrible 18:28 <@Dagmar> FCR.com: "Bad credit is forever. Keep anything other than a spotless record and you'll spend the rest of your life in fast food." 18:29 <@Dagmar> FCR.com: "Only filthy hippies drive bicycles. Real americans go into debt for an SUV." 18:29 <@Dagmar> These are basically what the FCR commercials are saying. 18:29 -!- timoguin [n=timoguin@cpe-098-026-113-031.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 18:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o timoguin] by ChanServ 18:29 <@wizardpc> yah 18:29 < TheLightCosine> but they have catchy BNL sounding jingles 18:29 <@Dagmar> God forbid one of their representatives EVER show up at something like Phreaknic 18:29 <@Dagmar> I will *not* be a nice man. 18:30 <@wizardpc> and that if your id gets stolz by teh ebil hax0rs, you wear a pirate costume at work 18:30 * TheLightCosine has a hard time picturing Dagmar ever being a "nice man" =P 18:30 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: I actually am a really nice guy. 18:30 < TheLightCosine> I'm playin 18:30 <@oddball> Yeah, once you get past the asshole exterior :p 18:30 <@wizardpc> ...when i'm sleeping 18:31 <@wizardpc> fixed it for ya 18:31 <@Dagmar> When I'm mad at someone, I let 'em know it, so they can consider right then and there if they're doing something really really wrong so we don't ever get to the point where I'm soaking someone in kerosene and dangling them from a light pole with a match in my hadn 18:31 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't get mad without really good reason. 18:31 <@Dagmar> It makes it more special. 18:31 <@wizardpc> dagmar: 3 steps away from actually being the joker 18:31 < TheLightCosine> lol 18:32 < TheLightCosine> dagmar reminds me of an old friend of mine named Ben 18:32 <@Dagmar> wizardpc: Wait until McCain "wins" 18:32 <@dc0de> TheLightCosine; funny, Dagmar reminds me of .... Dagmar 18:32 < TheLightCosine> Ben once turned around and asked a kid who was bothering him at the pool "Tell me, can you tell your mommy I hurt you if I cut out your tongue" 18:33 <@Dagmar> See, I view that as a highly effective measure. 18:33 <@dc0de> TheLightCosine; yeah, but was the kid old enough to write? 18:33 < TheLightCosine> hah 18:33 <@dc0de> I'd tell him that I'd cut his tongue out, and chop off his hands... 18:33 < TheLightCosine> probably 18:33 <@dc0de> then see... 18:33 <@Dagmar> It's if he's got the kid byu the chin and trying to put a scissors in his mouth and saying "Tell me, can you tell your mommy who hurt you if I cut this out?" that would be going too far 18:34 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o hobbes615] by ChanServ 18:34 <@dc0de> Dagmar; well, it depends, is anyone witnessing this event? 18:34 <@Dagmar> Witnesses are a tractable problem. 18:34 <@dc0de> exactly... 18:34 < TheLightCosine> when we were kids ben used to pray that someone would break into his house so he could "see the look on their face to find a 15 year old with a 10 gauge pointed at their face" 18:34 <@dc0de> but it really depends on how many rounds you've brought... 18:34 <@Dagmar> Most of the time they're secretly saying "I wish I had thought to say that ten minutes ago? 18:35 <@dc0de> heh. 18:35 < TheLightCosine> but dagmar doesn't remind me of ben as much in the psycho sense and the sharp tongue aspect 18:35 <@Dagmar> I'm not psychotic. 18:35 <@dc0de> Dagmar; you make my day when I see you lighting into some newb with an attitude... I just get all tingly 18:36 <@dc0de> no, Dagmar is as far FROM psychotic as can be, he's ultra rational. 18:36 <@Dagmar> On that front, _someone's_ got to make a stand 18:36 <@dc0de> which is why his arguments are so fun... 18:36 <@Dagmar> ...and I have _no_ problem being the "bad guy". 18:36 <@Dagmar> I don't lose any sleep at all over that. 18:36 <@Dagmar> If I'm the worst they have to deal with, their life is pretty damn good in fact. 18:37 <@dc0de> I don't think I've ever actually lost any sleep over anything... 18:37 <@Dagmar> You saw the bit I quoted from Matthew Garret earlier didn't you? 18:37 < TheLightCosine> okay, on a serious note, can someone give me an actual reason why the transfer of 10gb of data from my sata3 hdd to a usb2.0 external drive takes about 10-15 minutes in linux but 2+ hours in windows? 18:37 <@poiupoiu> using rsync any? 18:37 <@poiupoiu> or just straight copy, paste? 18:38 < TheLightCosine> copy paste 18:38 <@dc0de> Windows may be using a USB v.1 driver? 18:38 <@Dagmar> That's actually probably the case 18:39 < TheLightCosine> hmm 18:39 <@poiupoiu> yeah, it'd have to be going slower than 11 mbit/s 18:39 <@poiupoiu> driver issue is my guess as well 18:39 <@Dagmar> ...although there's also a slim chance that the problem is that the board was made between 1997 and 2001 and has a broken-ass ACPI that Windows doesn't actually know how to deal with and everything is on the same goddamn IRQ as a result 18:40 <@Dagmar> Linux never seemed to get caught up by that problem. 18:40 < TheLightCosine> nope, board isonly like 2 years old 18:40 <@Dagmar> ...but the phearkitty box I've got, if I plug in a USB mouse in Win95, frame rates in any 3D accellerated game drop to about 2-8fps. 18:40 < TheLightCosine> it does look like a driver issue 18:40 <@Dagmar> USB mice worked fine and didn't break things in Linux 18:41 <@Dagmar> TheLight: Probably it's using the USB 1.x modes only 18:41 <@Dagmar> Just because windows XP has "a" driver for most things doesn't necessarily mean that driver is worth a shit. 18:41 <@Dagmar> Exhibit B in thie case being their entire bluetooth stack. 18:42 <@Dagmar> It's _shit_. Complete and utter shit. 18:42 <@Dagmar> It works, but that's all that can be said for it. 18:42 < TheLightCosine> i went back into device mangler and it had an unknown usb device, did update driver and it popped up with USB Root Hub 18:42 <@Dagmar> Any $10 bluetooth dongle mad in Red China will have a driver CD with it that contains more reliable and better functioning software than what came with XP. 18:42 <@Dagmar> s/mad/maade/; 18:42 <@Dagmar> @!#$@#$ 18:43 <@Dagmar> TheLightCosine: That's probably it "noticing" that you actually have USB 2.0 available 18:43 <@sasquatc4> i dunno, i ordered one and it came with some bluesoleil software that was about 5 versions out of date and was complete crap, wasnt even in english 18:43 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:43 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: I guess I've gotten lucky with the three I've used 18:43 <@Dagmar> My favorite is this IOGear one I got for $9 from buy.com 18:43 <@Dagmar> I plugged it in, Windows recognized it, and then began sucking. 18:44 <@Dagmar> Coulnd't tell if any devices were in range, couldn't connect reliably, woulnd't even NOTICE if the device went away suddenly, etc etc 18:44 <@sasquatc4> ahh, i ordered the 3 dollar one from meritline, but it never used the windows driver, not sure if its that i dont have the driver cause i dont have sp3 or what 18:44 -!- aestetix [n=aestetix@66.11.117.140] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:44 < TheLightCosine> hmm, okay my attempt at a cute poke at Jeff Moss is just resulting in people having to type too much lol 18:44 <@Dagmar> I drop in the IOgear drivers and suddenly I can use the damn thing with Ventrilo and everything 18:44 < TheLightCosine> i need to find a better nick 18:46 < TheLightCosine> yeah the drive works correctly now, go figure 18:46 <@ware> yay fucking torrents + slow ass connection == pissed off jay ware 18:47 <@ware> you know your shit is fucked when irc is lagging 18:47 <@Evilpig> thought you and your roommate worked out the speed 18:48 <@wizardpc> then quit stealing movies! 18:48 <@ware> yeah it was dont fucking torrent when im home 18:48 <@ware> lol 18:48 <@ware> what.cd pwns 18:48 <@ware> wiz it aint me 18:51 < TheLightCosine> i agree, stupid torrents...*eyes his download of the entire series of Star Trek The Next Generation...hurry up damn you 18:51 <@Evilpig> cheap fuck. go buy them 18:51 <@Evilpig> hell they condensed the size of the set after I bought them. 18:52 <@Evilpig> damn fox 18:52 < TheLightCosine> it's $250 freakin dollars! 18:52 < TheLightCosine> er 18:52 < TheLightCosine> $350 rather 18:52 <@Evilpig> I paid $99 a season! 18:52 < TheLightCosine> and i will buy them eventually 18:52 <@sasquatc4> or quit usin torrents, they lame anyway 18:52 < TheLightCosine> only because i'm severely ocd about collecting movies 18:53 <@Evilpig> how severe we talking? 18:53 <@Shadow404> sasquatc4: but thats where i get all those xxx videos of your mom, that i get from milf.tor 18:53 <@Evilpig> http://blueboy.wilpig.org/~wilbur/phpdvdprofiler/ 18:53 < TheLightCosine> not so severe as to stretch my income anymore 18:53 <@sasquatc4> well you could find more on the newsgroups, at a faster speed without wasting your upload bandwidth 18:53 < TheLightCosine> but it was pretty bad 18:54 <@Shadow404> sasquatc4: link plz 18:54 < TheLightCosine> my wife and i not counting the kids movies for our daughter have over 400 DVDs already 18:54 < TheLightCosine> with our wishlsits comprising about anpother 3-400 18:54 <@Evilpig> cheating bitch counting wife and kids 18:54 <@Evilpig> I have 384 just me 18:54 < TheLightCosine> i said not counting the kid 18:54 <@Evilpig> I mock you 18:54 <@Evilpig> MOCK! 18:54 <@sasquatc4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroups 18:55 <@tzanger> heh I need an IP warez site 18:55 < TheLightCosine> oh nice setup evilpig 18:55 <@wizardpc> theres a really cool thing about tesla on the history channel right now 18:56 < TheLightCosine> Evilpig: you custom build that profiler? 18:56 <@tzanger> I think I watched that before 18:56 <@Evilpig> no 18:56 <@tzanger> I also read a good book about tesla 18:56 <@Evilpig> fuck. I think I crashed this server remotely 18:56 <@Evilpig> I did, I did crash the server 18:56 <@Evilpig> interesting... 18:57 <@wizardpc> you know, as a renter, I find it very disturbing that annualcreditreport.com wants me to verify the amount of my mortgage 18:57 <@Evilpig> nope. there it is again. just had a burp 19:00 <@poiupoiu> Evilpig, i got a story for ya -- i was once at a friend's house with my computer hooked into the router there. on of his computers then BSOD'd (a POS dell desktop), so he restarted it. as SOON as he hit the button, it caused my computer to BSOD as well. 19:01 <@poiupoiu> his computer some how BSOD'd mine through the network 19:01 <@poiupoiu> yay crashing stuff remotely 19:04 <@Evilpig> I blame you for trying to copy pr0n off his pc. letting his crash yours 19:04 <@Evilpig> it is the only answer 19:04 <@dc0de> everyone knows we're supposed to copy our porn from Blueboy 19:04 <@Evilpig> damn right 19:04 <@Evilpig> poor blueboy needs new hardware 19:05 <@Evilpig> needs a new owner that won't load it down with pr0n 19:05 <@dc0de> heh 19:05 <@Evilpig> dc0de: have you ever thought about taking programming for the palmOS? 19:05 <@Evilpig> taking up 19:07 <@Evilpig> [Lag: 99 (??)] this can't be good 19:08 < TheLightCosine> well folks it's been nice meetin the bunch of yas but it is waaay past my bed time, gotta be up for work in 6 hours. talk to you later 19:08 -!- TheLightCosine [n=c0malod@c-67-177-170-29.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["*poof*"] 19:08 <@dc0de> Evilpig; sounds like masturbation. 19:08 -!- dasunt [n=nobody@unaffiliated/dasunt] has left #se2600 [] 19:08 <@Shadow404> haha 19:08 <@Evilpig> my palm app that I use to post pictures to my blog site is now rebooting my palm everytime I try to post 19:08 <@Dagmar> yay! 19:08 <@Evilpig> and I don't wanna even try to figure out how this asian chick wrote it 19:09 <@Evilpig> thinking about making a vox account now and posting to vox then letting my site slurp off of vox 19:09 <@Shadow404> man, so i just caught IT one of my coworkers looking at pron via the livwe stream i left running at work 19:09 <@wizardpc> so I missed the gifar thing til just now...is there a windows port for lynx? :D 19:10 <@Shadow404> on side of me wants to drop a hint to management to check his internet habits cause hes an asshole, the other doesnt want to bother 19:12 <@oddball> IM him a link to the stream? 19:12 <@Evilpig> gifar? I thought there were talking about that this weekend at defcon. did they do it for blackhat? 19:14 <@wizardpc> apparently 19:15 <@wizardpc> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/08/01/A_photo_that_can_steal_your_online_credentials_1.html 19:15 <@wizardpc> ~minilink 19:15 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/infoworld.com/tNtGv.html 19:19 <@Evilpig> SkyDog_: do you have a spare sd card for the defcon badge? 19:19 <@SkyDog_> I may have one, I will have to check. 19:19 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: No time to pick one up? 19:19 <@Evilpig> I have the one from my old phone. the link I was sent this morning said to bring one 19:19 <@Dagmar> Why don't you own one? 19:19 <@wizardpc> arent yhey like $3 now? 19:20 <@Evilpig> was just making sure SkyDog had packed one 19:20 <@Dagmar> Doesn't your Palm have an SDcard slot? 19:20 <@Evilpig> old one did 19:20 <@Evilpig> new one is microsd 19:20 <@Dagmar> wizard: Well, $3 is a bit low, but I've seen them in stores for $12 19:20 <@Dagmar> Ah 19:20 -!- m0j0-j0j1 [n=jkemppda@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit ["bok!"] 19:20 <@Evilpig> you can get a gig for $12 19:20 <@Dagmar> I've got three that pretty much hang out in my T|X's case 19:21 <@Evilpig> curious what the badge will do with them. it has an ir sender / reciever pair 19:21 <@Dagmar> I'm surpised you didn't get a microSD adapter with the phone 19:21 <@Evilpig> I did 19:21 <@Dagmar> It's almost hard to buy microSD cards without the size adapter 19:21 <@dc0de> and promptply lost it? 19:21 <@Evilpig> not so sure I want to put the card from my phone into an unknown gadget at defcon 19:21 <@Dagmar> Not like you can't back up any data on it and forcibly erase it 19:22 <@Evilpig> yeah but what if it can read the card and just starts beaming the shit off. best just to have another ready 19:22 <@Dagmar> If they were going to release the magic code that would let you store evil data in the secured part of the filesystem, they'd have let people know by now 19:22 <@Dagmar> So what if it can read a blank card and beam nothing to everyone within reach 19:23 <@Evilpig> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/exclusive-defco.html 19:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I saw 'em last night 19:23 <@Dagmar> Makes me jealous 19:23 <@Evilpig> for those in teh dark still 19:24 <@Dagmar> dd can blank sd cards reliably just fine 19:24 <@Dagmar> huh? 19:24 <@Dagmar> wrong chan 19:32 <@Evilpig> gotta get laundry done and my bags packed for tomorrow. bbiab 19:36 <@dc0de> Evilpig; what time do you arrive tomorrow? 19:36 -!- mtown_nerd [n=JHester@jhester.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:37 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags +r on coil. 19:37 <@Evilpig> checking now 19:37 <@Evilpig> Depart NASHVILLE TN (BNA) at 12:20 PM 19:37 <@Evilpig> Arrive in LAS VEGAS NV (LAS) at 2:10 PM 19:38 -!- mtown_nerd [n=JHester@jhester.net] has joined #se2600 19:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ 19:39 <@dc0de> Evilpig; I get in at 2:47PM, I'll see you at the hotel. 19:39 <@Evilpig> I'm not staying at the hotel 19:39 <@Evilpig> crashing at a buddy's house in vegas. but i'll be around the hotel pretty soon after I get there 19:39 <@ware> :( 19:39 <@dc0de> Evilpig; no? 19:39 <@dc0de> cool 19:39 <@ware> i wanna freakin go 19:40 <@Evilpig> couldn't beat the price. Plane Ticket: $5, Hotel ala Jason $0, Defcon $120 19:40 <@dc0de> not bad at all. 19:40 <@ware> i got 4k in the bank 19:41 <@dc0de> ware; then get a tix, and go? 19:43 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #se2600 19:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 19:48 <@Evilpig> dc0de: I think he is just waiting for you to invite him to come stay with you 19:48 <@ware> hahaha 19:48 <@dc0de> Evilpig; but you already said you had room for him... 19:48 <@dc0de> in your suitcase 19:48 <@dc0de> chopped up 19:49 <@Evilpig> well SkyDog_ said bring meat to the bbq. he didnt' specify what kind of meat 19:49 <@ware> she said i was tastey 19:51 <@ladymerlin> that would add a new one to the guess the meat contest 19:53 * wizardpc glomps ladymerlin 19:53 <@dc0de> ladymerlin; ewwww 19:53 <@ladymerlin> heya wiz 19:54 <@ladymerlin> dc0de: noone would guess it.... 19:54 <@dc0de> yeah, I know, and I agree, no one would guess it, but still, 'ewwwww' 19:54 <@dc0de> :) 19:54 <@ladymerlin> lol 19:56 <@dc0de> ladymerlin; I can't wait to get to Vegas and see everyone again. 19:56 <@ladymerlin> me to 19:56 <@dc0de> I missed shmoocon 19:57 <@dc0de> so since outerz0ne & Summercon, I've missed a large group of ppl. 19:58 <@freakn> bleh, PN conflicts with a football game, AGAIN 20:00 <@wizardpc> what football game would that be? 20:00 <@wizardpc> because its in the fall, and on a weeked, so naturally it's at the same time as a lot of football games 20:01 <@sasquatc4> dvr ftw 20:03 <@freakn> GT season tickets 20:04 <@Corydon76-dig> The only football game we're really worried about conflicting with is the Titans, since the stadium is near the hotel, and the hotel gets business from football fans. 20:04 <@freakn> I understand your reasoning entirely 20:05 <@freakn> it used to be only every other year I would miss PN< now it seems to be 2 of 3 years 20:05 <@freakn> just the way things lined up 20:05 <@wizardpc> well, thats not true 20:06 <@wizardpc> are you required to be at the games for some technical reason (you're a player, coach, cheerleader?) 20:06 <@Corydon76-dig> wizardpc: not entirely true, I guess. We're really worried about Titans home games 20:06 <@freakn> though, it might be fun to have a hacker con the same weekend as a bunch of drunks are around the parking lot. Block out the hotel months in advanced. I still would probably miss it. 20:06 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:07 <@freakn> bonus points to anyone who gets a message displayed on hte jumbo tron or the blimp 20:07 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o I-MOD] by ChanServ 20:07 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 20:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 20:07 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: do laser-drawn messages count? 20:08 <@freakn> they will count if visible by anyone without aided vision 20:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Actually, the blimp is out, due to federal regulations 20:08 <@Dagmar> Pfft... coward 20:09 <@Dagmar> We didn't release any blimp made with recycled grocery bags 20:09 <@Dagmar> I don't know what you could be talking about 20:09 <@Corydon76-dig> I've never seen the inside of a federal penitentiary, and I'd like to keep it that way 20:09 <@Dagmar> We definitely didn't attach high powered leds to such a thiung 20:10 <@Dagmar> That would be irresponsible 20:10 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:10 <@freakn> do it remotely, buy the laser with cash 20:10 <@Corydon76-dig> although I do have a high visibility laser pointer and a projector... We might could do laser graffiti on the hotel 20:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, I need a camera, too 20:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Anybody interested in working with me on such a project? 20:14 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit ["hubcap"] 20:15 -!- I-MOD_ [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:15 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:15 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 20:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 20:23 <@ware> s0urcr0ut!1 20:23 <@ware> fucking hell 20:23 <@ware> 8 months 20:23 <@ware> to do that sht 20:26 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:33 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:33 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o strages] by ChanServ 20:33 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 20:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 20:35 -!- I-MOD_ [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:38 <@wizardpc> Corydon76-dig: doubt you'll get many takers involing a "project" with you and a camera 20:45 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["So long, meatbags..."] 20:45 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 20:46 <@sasquatc4> noooo, damn the makers of fmod, forcing you to use vc++ if you want to use c++ functionality with their library 20:50 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:52 <@Corydon76-dig> wizardpc: heh 20:52 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia and I were talking about good TV shows last night 20:52 <@Corydon76-dig> and she mentioned that Criminal Minds wasn't as good since Gideon left 20:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Just remembered one of his previous roles: "My name is Diego Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." 20:53 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:04 <@wizardpc> i have that on DVD 21:10 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:14 -!- mtown_nerd [n=JHester@jhester.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:16 <@ware> stping 21:17 < mrtsunami> stpong 21:17 -!- opfor [n=opfor@24.179.93.154] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:24 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #se2600 21:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 21:29 <@dc0de> Neoteric; going to defcon? 21:30 <@Neoteric> dc0de: everyone has asked. 21:30 <@dc0de> and? I missed the answer 21:30 <@Neoteric> If I want to go I have to leave in the next two hours to make it by friday 21:30 <@dc0de> ok, then get off IRC and get your ass to the airport 21:31 <@Dagmar> RUN FORREST, RUN! 21:31 <@Neoteric> airport? I don't fly no more, it's only by car from now on 21:31 <@dc0de> dumbass asian... 21:31 <@dc0de> oi 21:32 * Neoteric checks to see if glue is dry 21:33 <@Neoteric> yeah... I wonder if speakeasy will give us reverse on our ip 21:36 <@Dagmar> If you have 10 IPs from them and a business-class deal with them they will. 21:36 <@Dagmar> They'll even forward abuse@ to you 21:37 <@Dagmar> Speakeasy is VERY nice like that 21:42 <@sasquatc4> w00t, first shot at homemade beat detection and its actually pretty close 21:43 <@Dagmar> Nice 21:46 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4ISDTnRLM SFW 21:46 <@Dagmar> Wow. 21:46 <@Dagmar> Someone's job must be so fucking boring suicide is a risk factor 21:48 -!- ware_ [n=ware@adsl-074-185-105-083.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:57 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:16 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has quit ["gone!"] 22:16 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has joined #se2600 22:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o JimShoe] by ChanServ 22:17 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has quit [Client Quit] 22:21 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has joined #se2600 22:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o JimShoe] by ChanServ 22:22 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has quit [Client Quit] 22:24 -!- JimShoe [n=jimshoe@74.95.48.253] has joined #se2600 22:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o JimShoe] by ChanServ 22:24 <@JimShoe> sorry about all that 22:26 -!- dasunt_ [n=dasunt@24.236.44.231] has quit [Success] 22:27 < eryc> http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=231724695 22:38 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o strages] by ChanServ 22:38 -!- mtown_nerd [n=JHester@jhester.net] has joined #se2600 22:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ 22:39 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 22:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 22:40 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o I-MOD] by ChanServ 22:51 <@sasquatc4> wtf, windows doesnt have a gettimeofday 22:52 <@Dagmar> That's because Windows is generally foggy on the whole idea of time. 22:54 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 22:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 22:56 <@wizardpc> time is for the weak 23:02 <@polerin> bleh 23:02 <@polerin> what is the regex symol for new line (ie, insert a new line) 23:03 <@polerin> blah nm, I got it. gVim put the file in windows compatibility mode 23:05 -!- Tuttle| [n=NA@c-68-53-16-218.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:13 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:19 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:21 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 23:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 23:23 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:25 -!- maverickbna [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 23:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maverickbna] by ChanServ 23:26 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o hobbes615] by ChanServ 23:29 -!- Netwalker [n=sentinel@adsl-074-185-099-026.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 23:32 <@Evilpig> http://i34.tinypic.com/2e0v2gx.jpg 23:32 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:32 -!- Netwalker is now known as ShadowHntr 23:32 -!- maverickbna [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:46 <@Dagmar> That is horrible 23:46 <@Dagmar> I gotta make a copy of that one 23:47 <@Dagmar> WTf WERE they thinking 23:47 <@Evilpig> they were aiming for the pedo market 23:47 <@Evilpig> I gotta get in bed. have to leave here by 9 to catch my flight 23:47 <@Evilpig> night 23:51 <@Dagmar> Jesus. 23:51 <@Dagmar> Some preliminary searching appears to be that that's a _real_ ad 23:52 <@Dagmar> OKay no wait... It's being called a hoax elsewhere 23:53 <@Dagmar> wagnerrp: OKay, I think it's a hoax, or at least there's a few places (like Snopes) that are already listing it as such. 23:54 -!- Godstrong [i=Godstron@24-183-213-128.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Thu Aug 07 00:00:28 2008