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00:00 <@coil> hi
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00:59 <@ware> yah
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07:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:32 <@ware> spu
07:32 <@ware> h0
07:33 <@ware> where you been?! aint seen ya on malganis
07:33 <@Dolemite> I haven't logged on in almost 2 weeks, I guess.  Been too damn busy.
07:35 <@ware> got my shammy almost all the eq he needs for pvp twinkage
07:35 <@ware> then i gotta get some money for all the enchants =/
07:46 <@Dolemite> I will actually play some this weekend.  I'd like to hit Level 50 by Mondya.
07:46 <@Dolemite> er, Monday
07:47 <@Shadow404> is that like a new day of the week?
07:47 <@Shadow404> mondya?
07:47 <@Shadow404> scotchick and i will prolly hit 48 by the end of the end of sunday
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07:48 <@Shadow404> oh sure, kick me cause i questioned your typing skills just once....
07:48 <@Shadow404> lawl
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07:50  * Shadow404 yawns
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07:51 <@ware> :P
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07:51 <@Shadow404> ware: diaf coikl
07:51 <@ware> Shadow404: what server tdo yall play on?
07:51 <@ware> and why isnt it malganis
07:51 <@Shadow404> heh, im playing on the server with my co workers
07:52 <@Shadow404> funny thing is that the ceo and all my bosses play on it too
07:52 <@ware> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=mal%27ganis&n=phneak
07:52 <@Shadow404> and nothing is censored in the guild chat, but im still catious
07:52 <@Shadow404> let me get my armory page
07:52 <@Dolemite> that's not a 'funny thing', it's obvious that you're trying to stick your head as far up his ass as your shoulders will allow
07:52 <@Shadow404> whatever dole
07:52 <@Shadow404> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=Shadowkaster
07:53 <@ware> *cough*brownnose*cough*
07:53 <@Shadow404> ware: azjol-nerub
07:53 <@ware> id be cursing their moms as i slayed them pvply
07:53 <@ware> lol
07:53 <@Shadow404> oh, i doo
07:53 <@Shadow404> im just careful about the drug references
07:53 <@Shadow404> anything shy of that is fair game
07:54 <@Shadow404> the we were laughing about a business trip expericne to visit the amsterdam data center
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07:58 < someninjamaster> morning all
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08:26  * Dolemite prepares to install and try out WebShell
08:28 <@brimstone> link?
08:29 <@brimstone> http://code.google.com/p/web-shell/ ?
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08:38 <@ware> WORD UP.
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08:42 <@ware> bai ziplock!
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08:47  * wizardpc wanders in
08:47  * oddball waves
08:48 <@wizardpc> I love my wife. Last night about 730 she comes into my office and says "I need you to tell me how to crack Windows passwords"
08:49 <@dc0de> moanin everbodys
08:49 <@dc0de> wizardpc; I love your wife too!
08:49 <@dc0de> wizardpc; so did you tell her?
08:50 <@wizardpc> gave her an ohpcrack live cd
08:50 <@dc0de> wizardpc; good for you...
08:51 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, webshell doesn't appear to like the Q
08:52 <@wizardpc> Apparently the domain administrator where she works went to a fictional college
08:52 <@oddball> oops
08:52 <@dc0de> wow
08:53 <@wizardpc> the new executive director asked her to verify info on everyone's resumes
08:53 <@dc0de> never in my life have I been tempted to lie about the fact that I didn't finish my college edicatshun
08:53 <@wizardpc> and she discovered the...problem
08:54 <@wizardpc> oh its worse she made up a damn college
08:54 <@dc0de> well, the college I did go to for 19 credits, no longer exists, but at least there's a listing of it on the New Hampshire board of education's web site.
08:57 <@Dolemite> dc0de: Wassamatta U?
08:57 <@dc0de> nah, it was Hawthorne College, Antrim NH...
08:58 <@dc0de> it went bankrupt about 6 years after I attended.
08:58 <@ware> wizardpc: wut is ur job title
08:58 <@wizardpc> implementation specialist
08:58 <@ware> sooo.... wut u duz
08:58 <@dc0de> http://hawthornecollege.tripod.com/
08:59 <@wizardpc> inohaxfurmoneys
08:59 <@ware> u hax them special implements?
08:59 <@ware> like project manager?
09:00 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, I've driven by that college.  I remember driving on US 202 for a while when my wife and I wandered through NH/VT/ME/MA
09:01 <@dc0de> Dolemite; yeah, the campus was finally burnt down by the Antrim Fire dept, as practice for fighting fires...
09:02 <@Dolemite> that sucks
09:04 < M0j0-j0j0> I bet education is the most frequently lied about item on a CV
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09:05 <@Shadow404> M0j0-j0j0: i'd have to go with actual experience is lied about
09:08 <@wizardpc> yeah its easier to lie about what you've done at jobs than what degrees you have
09:11 <@Shadow404> yeah, we have that happen a lot with our hr, people can bulsshit about anything to land the job, but as soon as we ask him to do that shit, he's like, i need training
09:12 <@brimstone> anyone know how to change how long windows caches domain creds?
09:12 <@Shadow404> im tired of that bs
09:12 <@Shadow404> creds/
09:12 <@Shadow404> ?
09:12 <@brimstone> and is it possible for windows to refresh that cache after the user's already logged in?
09:12 <@brimstone> credentials
09:13 <@Shadow404> like the internal network domain cred cache?
09:13 <@brimstone> sure
09:13 <@Shadow404> im not sure i know how to do that, never had too
09:14 <@brimstone> we have remote users that are staying remote too long and domain logins are timing out
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09:16 <@oddball> gah... one of the nurses managed to lose her card within 24 hours of me issuing it to her.
09:16 <@brimstone> $20 for new card
09:16 <@brimstone> limit 3
09:16 <@ware> yeah the 4th one costs a BJ
09:16 <@ware> (thats when you start disabling her card(
09:17 <@oddball> yeah... I'm going to have to talk to the higher-ups about starting to chrage for replacements. (yes, right now we're not)
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09:21 <@dc0de> brimstone; there's a reg/hack for that, but I don't recall it...
09:22 <@dc0de> it also may be in the GPMC
09:22 <@ware> there is alwayz a hack
09:27 <@Shadow404> ware: i ran some pentration testing hacks on your mom for example
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09:28 <@wizardpc> if you have to hack when penetrating ware's mom, you're doing it wrong
09:28 <@Shadow404> you dont know his mom!
09:30 <@brimstone> dc0de: let me know if you find anything then, google isn't helping me this morning
09:31 <@ware> Shadow404: youre so noob, im surprised that you even found that security hole
09:31 <@Shadow404> lawl
09:31 <@ware> :P
09:31 <@ware> Evilpig: PING!
09:31 <@ware> man im addicted to WoW like, how the ppl that dont play talk about the people that are addicted
09:32 <@ware> i know its not healthy but its satisfying
09:32 <@brimstone> first step is admiting you have a problem
09:32 <@Shadow404> brimstone: dude, he had problems before Wow!
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09:33 <@Shadow404> MaxieZ: hooters for lunch today?
09:33 <+MaxieZ> No, I'm broke
09:33 <@Shadow404> or gibney's even
09:33 <@ware> YAH IM DOWN
09:33 <@Shadow404> damn, and i was gonna ofer to buy a round of beers
09:33 <+MaxieZ> I broght left overs
09:33 <@ware> brimstone: day 5 no smokin agin, woohoo
09:33 <+MaxieZ> brought
09:33 <@brimstone> ware to ware?
09:33 <@Shadow404> MaxieZ: fail
09:33 <+MaxieZ> yep.
09:33 <@brimstone> yay for not smoking, but keep it up
09:34 <@brimstone> heh
09:34 <@brimstone> were two ware?
09:34 <@ware> well i know now when i screw up, its those ADD moments of HELL YEAH LETS PARTY
09:34 <+MaxieZ> Tomorrow's pay day, but I won't be here.  Took the day off work to do birthday shopping
09:34 <@ware> h00ters with Shadow404
09:34 <@brimstone> kk
09:34 <@brimstone> brt
09:34 <@Shadow404> ware: drive down to atl.
09:34 <@ware> Shadow404: brt thnx, bring towels
09:34 <@Shadow404> ok
09:34 <@ware> hows the atl 2600?
09:34 <@brimstone> and some chicken dumplings
09:34 <@Shadow404> i always have a towel, thank you very much
09:34 <@Shadow404> ware: dead
09:35 <@brimstone> omg they killed atl 2600!
09:35 <@Shadow404> pretty much
09:35 <@Shadow404> havent been in over a year and half
09:35 <@Shadow404> so it could be diffrent, but it died off when alot of the tech jobs in atlanta went bust a few years back
09:37 <@Dolemite> I thought it died off when before then...  and then MaxieZ tried to put the paddles to the nipples with the 678 meetings at The Varsity, which I guess fizzled out?
09:37 <@I-MOD> gah..varsity
09:37  * I-MOD shudders
09:37 <@brimstone> grease on a bun
09:37 <@Evilpig> Dolemite said nipples.
09:38 <@Dolemite> Damn, memory prices just keep falling.  4 GB laptop DDR2 for $46.
09:38 <@I-MOD> but no one said jumper cables or battery
09:38 <@brimstone> or canola oil
09:38 <+MaxieZ> Yeah...I had it on life support and thought it was ok....
09:38 <@I-MOD> canola? pffft, you have to go for the good stuff, the extra virgin olive oil
09:39 <@brimstone> that's what she said!
09:39 <@Dolemite> I-MOD : With the ATL 2600 group, I think there was already enough "extra virgin"
09:39 <@I-MOD> so you'd prefer the extra whorish olive oil?
09:41 <@ware> WUT?
09:41 <@ware> why do we get spammed with emels
09:41 <@ware> about all the meeting times for 2600 groups if no one attends
09:41 <@Mirage> Gotta watch Evilpig when he gets Jumper cables..he likes to lick you
09:41 <@ware> OH i only have to work half a day 2moro
09:42 <@ware> but i gotta stay in nashbilz for teh meetin
09:42 <@Dolemite> I have to come in from 10P Sat until about 4A Sun
09:42 <@ware> teh suck
09:42 <@ware> upgratin the pipe?
09:42 <@brimstone> Dolemite's just here to lay some pipe
09:43 <@Dolemite> Moving a couple of EMC CX3-40's and several servers
09:43 <@Dolemite> but the EMC's are moving hot
09:43 <@Mirage> Bringing a keg?  KMac only requested some of us be sober and equipped with laptops
09:43 <@ware> HOT TITTIES! that sounds like fun
09:43 <@brimstone> ew, emc
09:44 <@Dolemite> Mirage : Unfortunately I am the main one required to be sober
09:44 <@Dolemite> It's my project, after all
09:44 <@ware> ima be there shammered!
09:44 <@ware> 'who let this homeless guy into the DC again?!'
09:45 <@Shadow404> 'and why is he throwing chairs?'
09:46 <@brimstone> herm, boose mixed with energy drinks
09:46 <@brimstone> what else is good? other then redbull and vodka?
09:46 <@Dolemite> Bailey's and Coffee
09:46 <@brimstone> oooh
09:46 <@Dolemite> After all, coffee == energy drink
09:46 <@Shadow404> mmmm, good choice dol
09:46 <@brimstone> "Are you yellow? Have blue hair? Maybe your head is shaped like a box? Been the same age and stuck in 4th grade for the past 14 years?"
09:46 <@brimstone> http://www.xoxide.com/simpsons-duff-energy-drink.html
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09:50 <@ware> haha nice
09:51 <@nachoguy> http://www.kontraband.com/videos/11372/Nerdcore-Anthem/#show
09:52 <@ware> http://www.xoxide.com/wolfking-xxtreme-keyboard.html
09:52 <@ware> want.
09:53 <@brimstone> "you should try to win a lady not an extra man"
09:54 <@oddball> so xtreme it needs two x's!
09:56 <@ware> lol.
09:56 <@ware> hell fucking no.
09:56 <@ware> security assigns me a ticket to trouble the backup of his laptop
09:56 <@ware> security guy*
09:56 <@nachoguy> ware, that is possibly the gayest keyboard I've ever seen
09:57 <@brimstone> "Innovaive Vertical Spacebar"
09:57 <@ware> nachoguy: i think it would rock
09:57 <@ware> and im sure there is a dickshaped keyboard
09:57 <@ware> or at least one with a girating dick on it
09:57 <@brimstone> "K lock key"
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09:57 <@nachoguy> heh, thewebsiteisdown: "There's no sort icons by penis shape option"
09:58 <@oddball> Good news is, with that "xxtreme" keyboard, you can feel safe nowing no one will use your computer.... unless they bring their own keyboard.
09:58 <@ware> BUT I KNEW WHERE EVERYTHING WAS AT!  OUR WEBSITE WAS AT THE TIP AND NOTEPAD WAS ON THE LEFT NuT
09:58 <@brimstone> salesforce was on the right testicle
09:58 <@brimstone> that's my favorate line
09:59 <@nachoguy> oddball, no one wants to use ware's sticky keyboard as it is.  there's no differece
09:59 <@oddball> true
09:59 <@oddball> Ok, this makes me dislike the website: http://www.xoxide.com/assorted-power-supplies.html
09:59 <@oddball> "these power supplies are all "case pulls" meaning they were pulled from a brand new case that is sold without power supply. "
10:00 <@oddball> So, their opening up the stuff they sell, and removing bits before shipping them.
10:00 <@oddball> s/their/they're
10:00 <@Shadow404> why is that so bad? not all people want the stock psu
10:00 <@Shadow404> and just want the case
10:01 <@brimstone> yeah, if i'm gonna need a bigger psu for sli cards or what not, i don't want one in the case
10:01 <@wizardpc> or want the PSU upgraded, and buy that from the site as well
10:02 <@wizardpc> plus usually the case supplies are splody
10:02 <@Shadow404> exactly
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10:02 <@oddball> it's the whole "well, it shipped from the factory with one, but if you want it, you'll have to pay extra."
10:02 <@brimstone> are they not docking the price?
10:03 <@oddball> That's what I'm curious about.
10:06 <@oddball> wizardpc: funny... I've had a supply die on me exactly twice, and one of those was a POS eMachine supply.
10:07 <@I-MOD> i've had ~8 die
10:07 <@brimstone> in the same box
10:07 <@I-MOD> 7 of them in that box
10:07 <@nachoguy> at the same time
10:07 <@Shadow404> mine, we have psu's die everyday in the d/c
10:07 <@I-MOD> 1 elsewhere cause it was old and full of dust
10:07 <@oddball> me thinks there was something else going on
10:08 <@I-MOD> in my case?
10:08 <@oddball> 7 PSUs die in the same box, I'm thinking there's something causing that.
10:08 <@I-MOD> i had 7 or 8 hdds plus an ancient power hungry dual proc system
10:09 <@I-MOD> the drive spinups aren't staggered
10:09 <@oddball> So, you were over-taxing the power supply
10:09 <@I-MOD> so 3 or 4 quick power cycles will kill the PSU
10:09 <@I-MOD> oddball, one of them was an 800W from BFG, but i don't know their quality
10:09 <@oddball> ah
10:10 <@Shadow404> bfg is off brand crap
10:10 <@I-MOD> good to know
10:10 <@Shadow404> especially their vid card clones
10:10 <@ware> uh, BFG Tech?
10:10 <@ware> youre crazy
10:10 <@ware> lol
10:10 <@Shadow404> yeah
10:10 <@ware> they overclock
10:10 <@Shadow404> they never work
10:10 <@ware> they are not off brand crap
10:10 <@ware> lifetime warranty
10:11 <@Shadow404> sorry, my experience is diffrent
10:11 <@ware> i just got a BFG Tech 8800GTS
10:11 <@ware> and its been fine
10:17 <@coil> no
10:17 <@coil> er
10:17 <@coil> mine's more fine
10:17 <@coil> im waiting on my 4gb of ram coming intoday
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10:43 <@Shadow404> ware: so u gonna make it for hooters?
10:43 <@Shadow404> im in the mood for wings and a beer
10:44 <@Shadow404> oh and hooters and ass
10:44 <@Shadow404> but thats a given
10:44 <@wizardpc> fwiw, if you're thinking of installing Windows Desktop Search 4.0 ...don't
10:45 <@tzanger> heh
10:45 <@coil> hi Shadow404
10:45 <@oddball> makes things go boom?
10:45 <@tzanger> yeah I installed it by accident
10:45 <@Shadow404> i got to the part of the sentence with "installing windows" and automatically knew you would say dont
10:45 <@tzanger> and uninstalled it right away
10:45 <@Shadow404> coil: hooters?
10:45 <@oddball> Shadow404: nah, wizardpc is a windows addict
10:46 <@wizardpc> only because I dont think that I should have to know 837 command line switches to get google to come up
10:46 <@coil> Shadow404: word
10:47 <@wizardpc> windows search uses about 60mb of memory JUST SITTING THERE
10:47 <@Shadow404> coil: but you not in atl?
10:48 <@coil> i can be
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10:52 <@Shadow404> coil: if you could, then you'd get a free beer, to bad
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10:57 <@coil> that sux
10:59 <@rhia> http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/pek267953-china-blasts/   um.... wouldn't blowing up buses be considered an act of terrorism?
10:59 <@ware> pwdump
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11:01 <@rhia>  "... there had been no evidence to link them with terrorists."    so, some kind hearted good samaritan planted the bombs?  or are they only terrorists if they send out videos before hand, not just text messages?
11:02 <@ware> ppl are retarded
11:03 <@rhia> know the Chinese are trying to paint the pig all purty before the olympics, but .... sheesh
11:03 <@ware> better than trying to have sex with it
11:04 <@coil> hi
11:04 <@coil> i want ups to come here
11:04 <@coil> so i can put 4gb in computer
11:04 <@coil> and hopefully this ram isn't bad\
11:04 <@rhia> that's why they're painting it up, so the rest of the world will have sex with it
11:04 <@wizardpc> ?
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11:05 <@coil> ups shipped from memphis
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11:16 <@Catonic> ware: the chinese would never have sex with a pig. It's too valuable as food, and people are cheaper for the same purpose.
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11:21 <@ware> Catonic: u r teh sexg0d
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12:33 <@wizardpc> w00t. found $4 I thought I'd already spent
12:40 <@ware> o m g.
12:43 <@oddball> Hey, considering how closely wizardpc watches his money, that's something.
12:46 <@ladymerlin> vandy jsut caled
12:46 <@ladymerlin> oops
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12:55 <@ware> FUCK I HATE SLOW CONNECTIONS/.
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12:59 <@Shadow404> ware: jealous? - http://www.speedtest.net/result/303174258.png
13:00 <@Shadow404> that not even on our preferred carrier either
13:00 <@ware> youre a fat ass
13:01 <@ware> its not my connection, its theirs
13:01 <@Shadow404> i am the oppisite of fat ass
13:01 <@Shadow404> now take sdodson_
13:01 <@Shadow404> ...
13:01 <@coil> hi
13:01 <@Shadow404> daif
13:01 <@coil> :(
13:01 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:02 <@ware> and if you post that again i will exploit your home desktop and redirect the httpd port to it whilist hosting a server directly to your "porn" folder for all to see
13:02 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:02 <@Shadow404> thats not my home
13:02 <@ware> yes, i have those pictures.\
13:02 <@ware> yes, i am prepared to show to the world
13:03 <@Shadow404> lawl, nice try
13:03 <@ware> but, the world is not prepared for the monstrosity
13:03 <@Shadow404> this is true
13:04 <@coil> gays gays gay
13:04 <@ware> im so fuckin hungry
13:04 <@coil> quit fighting gays
13:04 <@ware> stupid ass is in a meeting
13:04 <@ware> coil: we will always fight you and win
13:04 <@coil> yeah whatever
13:04 <@Shadow404> ware: who is their connection?
13:04 <@ware> cause yall cant breed! so our numbers will always > you
13:04 <@ware> Shadow404: italian mafia
13:04 <@coil> we c an adopt so stfu
13:04 <@Shadow404> ware: huh?
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13:04 <@Shadow404> you host shit for the italian mafia?
13:04 <@ware> Shadow404: the Gambino family
13:05 <@Shadow404> ah, nice
13:05 <@ware> John Gotti
13:05 <@Shadow404> interesting clients i bet
13:05 <@ware> KEYWORDS
13:05 <@ware> KEYWORDS
13:05 <@ware> KEYWORDS
13:05 <@ware> 3KEYWORDS
13:05 <@Shadow404> hacker
13:05 <@Shadow404> terrorist
13:05 <@ware> GENOVESE
13:05 <@Shadow404> explode
13:05 <@ware> BONANNO
13:05 <@ware> COLOMBO
13:05 <@Shadow404> genocide
13:05 <@ware> LUCCHESE
13:05 <@Shadow404> suicide
13:05 <@Shadow404> drugs
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13:05  * ware can see all the red lights going off @ fbi hq
13:05 <@ware> oh shit see
13:05 <@ware> hahaha
13:05 <@Shadow404> haha
13:05 <@Shadow404> i lawlwed
13:06 <@ware> who the fuck was that?
13:06 <@ware> hahaha
13:06 <@Shadow404> whois it
13:06 <@Shadow404> brick smaple?
13:06 <@Shadow404> that block of ips is owned by comcast
13:06 <@coil> where the fuck is
13:06 <@coil> ups
13:06 <@ware> AgentOran
13:06 <@Shadow404> so someone using a comcast busines connection
13:06 <@ware> wtf
13:07 <@coil> i want my fuckin ram maaaan
13:07 <@ware> ITS THE FBMFI
13:07 <@Shadow404> bricksimple.com
13:08 <@Shadow404> a staffing agency
13:08 <@wizardpc> ware: you know John Gotti is dead, right?
13:08 <@ware> haha
13:08 <@ware> wizardpc: they think hes dead
13:08 <@wizardpc> well, um, he died in prison, so they're pretty sure
13:08 <@ware> Shadow404: lets call them up and ask for AgentOgran
13:08 <@ware> -g
13:08 <@nachoguy> yeah, he's dead, just like Elvis, and Hoffa, and Abraham Lincoln
13:09 <@Shadow404> ware: confrence call him
13:09 <@ware> THE HOFFMEISTER IS NOT DEAD.
13:09 <@coil> no diaf
13:09 <@coil> Shadow404: i need the status udpate on ware diaf
13:09 <@coil> update
13:09 <@Shadow404> that ticket has never existed on our systems
13:09 <@coil> sorry for the typo im very busy right now
13:10 <@coil> well i need to created on the fly
13:10 <@Shadow404> however tkt: #fuckyou1332-89 exist for coil diaf
13:10 <@ware> coil: your SLA expired 2 months ago
13:10 <@coil> sorry i dont recall that one
13:10 <@coil> no i didn't
13:10 <@coil> i renewed it
13:10 <@Shadow404> thats what she said
13:10 <@ware> status for coil diaf plz
13:10 <@ware> coil: ?
13:10 <@Shadow404> hehe
13:10 <@coil> no idea
13:11 <@ware> http://www.youtube.com/user/agentoran
13:11 <@coil> no stfu ware diaf fuck you
13:12 <@Shadow404> interesting friend he has on you tube
13:12 <@ware> coil: i have completed my diaf and reported and documented plz diafd
13:12 <@Shadow404> uh, that video scares me
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13:13 <@ware> coil: RFO is awaiting completion upon your documentation
13:13 <@Shadow404> hehe
13:13 <@ware> coil: plz report thnx
13:13 <@coil> i wasn't assigned this project
13:13 <@ware> actually diaf, you were
13:13 <@coil> nope
13:13 <@ware> you have been terminated from this consortium
13:13 <@Catonic> wow
13:13 <@ware> plz diaf and report
13:13 <@coil> Catonic: stay out of this
13:14 <@Catonic> I just realized virtually every home in america has at least one faraday cage
13:14 <@coil> ware no thanks ill go fuk off
13:14 <@coil> faraday?
13:14 <@Shadow404> Catonic: screened in proch
13:14 <@Catonic> microwave oven or conventional oven with screen covered with foil
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13:14 <@coil> why
13:15 <@wizardpc> yeah if you put your phone in a microwave, it won't transmit/recieve
13:15 <@wizardpc> ever again
13:15 <@SkyDog_> Um.
13:15 <@coil> how come
13:16 <@oddball> wizardpc: only if you hit that nasty "start" button
13:17 <@oddball> Oh, if the phone's on and sitting in the microwave (which is off) it will suck the life out of the battery.
13:17 <@Catonic> oddball: this is because the cell phone cannot reach a tower, and therefore beacons (transmits) at maximum power.
13:18 <@oddball> yeah
13:18 <@coil> what if you turn it on
13:18 <@coil> like press start
13:18 <@coil> when it's trying to find a signal
13:18 <@oddball> the microwave? bad things
13:18 <@coil> do you get a black hole or something?
13:18 <@Catonic> coil: you'll never have to worry about taking another support call.
13:18 <@Shadow404> coil: just diaf already
13:18 <@someninjamaster> let me find the video
13:18 <@oddball> no, just fried cellphone
13:18 <@coil> aww
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13:19 <@Catonic> oddball: fried cell phone, baked cell phone, and microwaved cell phone are three completely different dishes.
13:19 <@someninjamaster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0TSyIn5KMo
13:19 -!- ware changed the topic of #se2600 to: http://www.worth1000.com/contest.asp?contest_id=20314&display=photoshop | Sign up to be a volunteer at PN12, be0tches!  http://www.phreaknic.info/volunteers/ | anyone interested in a LAN party in nashville contact ware
13:19 <@someninjamaster> i think this is it
13:19 <@oddball> possible fire from the battery.... hmmmm.... coil: you try it, take video, and we'll post it on youtube
13:20 <@dc0de> here comes the rain...
13:20 <@Shadow404> dc0de: it jsut went crazy in georgia today
13:20 <@Shadow404> we had a huge sheet just hit atlanta
13:20 <@coil> ROFL someninjamaster
13:20 <@Shadow404> left in 5 minutes
13:20 <@dc0de> yup...
13:20 <@Shadow404> but it was strong
13:20  * Catonic pisses in the direction of ATL
13:20 <@coil> too bad that's not real
13:20 <@dc0de> Shadow404; I ordered that wx statino
13:20 <@dc0de> *station
13:20 <@someninjamaster> i thought you would enjoy that coil
13:21 <@coil> it's very lulz
13:21 <@Catonic> hey dc0de, you coming to DC?
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13:21 <@someninjamaster> the first time i saw it i was like holy shit
13:21 <@Shadow404> dc0de: let me hook you up with the software, you just need a working serial port or serial to usb convertor
13:21 <@someninjamaster> then i relized what it was
13:21 <@dc0de> yup... got a usb/serial
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13:21  * wizardpc canhaznovideoatwork
13:21 <@Shadow404> cool
13:22 <@Shadow404> dc0de: this has been very stable for me and always worked
13:22 <@Shadow404> http://insvr1.midcoastwater.com.au/FreeWX/_sgg/m4_1.htm
13:22 <@Shadow404> and builds the http pages every 3 min or each update
13:23 <@wizardpc> I have windows at my apartment. If I'm not there, I dont really care if its raining or not
13:23 <@Shadow404> of course, ive done a lot of custom tweaking of the script
13:23 <@coil> cuz Shadow404 is a tweaker
13:23 <@Shadow404> dude, i ran out of stuff last night
13:23 <@Catonic> http://www.nozzlerage.com/
13:23 <@Shadow404> so bummed about it
13:23 <@coil> where is ups
13:24 <@Catonic> Shadow404: at least you didn't bork a box at 3:42 am.
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13:25 <@dc0de_> whoops, big power hit.
13:25 <@Shadow404> yeah, we lost power twice today so far, ups kicked in like a champ for its first real test
13:25 <@Shadow404> logs picked it up right away
13:26 <@coil> why lose power
13:26 <@Shadow404> coil: storms
13:26 <@coil> why storms
13:26 <@Shadow404> coil: production box?
13:26 <@coil> ????
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13:26 <@Shadow404> coil: why you not diaf yet?
13:26 <@coil> production for what
13:26 <@coil> your mom?
13:26 <+MxZBot> your mom is the woman that works the corner of peachtree and ponce...
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13:26 <@Shadow404> lawl, i wrote that
13:26 <@coil> lawl stfu
13:27 <@Shadow404> dc0de_: check 30127, huge cell coming in from rockmart, about to hit my house
13:28 <@Shadow404> already getting dark at the house
13:28 <@dc0de_> http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=zoom&num=1&delay=15&rbscale=0.22391304347826088&scale=1.000&noclutter=1&ID=FFC&type=N0R&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&showstorms=99&map.x=478.5&map.y=204.5&centerx=400&centery=240&lightning=1&smooth=1&showlabels=1&rainsnow=1
13:28 <@dc0de_> ~minilink
13:28 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/wunderground.com/TcbMy.asp
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13:29 <@dc0de> D7 just went over my house
13:29 <@Shadow404> dc0de: did you see my month long archive of time lapse video?
13:29 <@dc0de> yeah
13:29 <@dc0de> twas cool
13:29 <@Shadow404> cool
13:30 <@Shadow404> damn, see the big line of dark clouds closing in on the house on the camera
13:30 <@dc0de> link?
13:31 <@Shadow404> http://shadowcam.homeftp.net:81/stream.html
13:31 <@Shadow404> its mms
13:31 <@Shadow404> top left of video
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13:31  * ware exploits with no remorse
13:31  * brimstone remorses with no exploits
13:31 <@Shadow404> ware: fuck off
13:31 <@ware> fuck off?
13:31 <@ware> FUCK OFF?
13:32 <@ware> U DARE TALK TO ME IN THAT TEXTUAL TONE
13:32 <@ware> HOW U DARE
13:32 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:32 <@Catonic> ware: he doesn't mean what you do at work.
13:32 <@ware> DARE U HOW DID U DONE IT JUST NOW
13:32 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:32 <@Catonic> ware: go strap yourself into a chair and find a tall building and do what comes naturally.
13:32 <@ware> Catonic: AT LEAST I DONT EXPLOUIT WHALES OF WOMEN
13:32 <@ware> Catonic: err.. who dared me
13:32 <@Catonic> Shadow404: RUN BITCH, RUN!
13:33 <@Shadow404> why?
13:33 <@Catonic> one of your neighbors just speedwalked past the driveway
13:33 <@Shadow404> yep
13:33 <@Shadow404> in orange
13:34 <@ware> that was me
13:34 <@ware> i hax'd the image
13:35 <@Shadow404> yeah, sure
13:35 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjHGTeTtaac
13:35 <@Shadow404> whois on comcast 24.131.32
13:36 <@dc0de> me.
13:36 <@Shadow404> ah
13:36 <@Shadow404> ok, seeing if my statics work correctly
13:36 <@dc0de> yeah, twas me.
13:36 <@Shadow404> and Catonic, you are 67.9
13:36 <@Shadow404> why, it even picked up my phone model from earlier
13:36 <@Shadow404> nice
13:37 <@Shadow404> *wow
13:38 <@Shadow404> heh, just saw the cat at the edge of bottom of the camera, must of started to sprinkle
13:38 <@Catonic> it's been weeks... and I still can't stop watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJwSe5JzXM
13:40 <@dc0de> is this the lame dancing chick?
13:40 <@brimstone> can't stop talking about it either
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13:40 <@Catonic> dc0de: yes.
13:40 <@dc0de> www.wunderground.com <--- can anyone else reach this?
13:41 <@brimstone> nope
13:41 <@Catonic> no
13:41 <@dc0de> me either... shit.
13:41 <@dc0de> wtf.
13:41 <@wizardpc> negative
13:41 <@wizardpc> metaspolit
13:42 <@brimstone> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/q?domain=wunderground.com
13:42 <@dc0de> Shadow404; did wunderground just fart?
13:42 <@rhia> down
13:42 <@dc0de> brimstone; thanks,
13:43 <@Shadow404> dc0de: yeah
13:43 <@Shadow404> i noticed that
13:44 <@Shadow404> my radar is updating, but im a member
13:44 <@Shadow404> (free membership when you post your station btw)
13:45 <@dc0de> I know, i'm a member too.
13:45 <@Shadow404> nah, working for me
13:45 <@Shadow404> did you check a traceroute?
13:45 <@Shadow404> a node culd be hit by this storm
13:46 <@coil> diaf Shadow404
13:46 <@coil> plz
13:46 <@dc0de> nope, don't have time... gotta get ready for a 3pm conf preso, webex I'm giving,,,
13:46 <@Shadow404> nice, ok
13:46 <@coil> FUCK
13:46 <@coil> FUCK
13:46 <@coil> FUCK
13:46 <@coil> FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:46 <@coil> i just broke my bong :(((((((((((
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13:47 <@wizardpc> if you were using it, shouldnt you be....calmer?
13:47 <@Shadow404> that sucks, wooden pipes are ftw
13:47 <@oddball> Don't worry... just light up your -oops
13:47  * oddball points and laughs
13:47 <@Shadow404> i got a nice natural cherry wood one
13:47 <@coil> i wasn't using it
13:47 <@Shadow404> coil: u fail
13:47 <@coil> it was sitting next to me
13:47 <@wizardpc> you were playing with it?
13:47 <@coil> and i fucking knocked it off
13:48 <@coil> and it hit the corner of my speaker
13:48 <@coil> and that made it shatter
13:48 <@dc0de> and nasty bong water everywhere! w00t
13:48 <@wizardpc> superglue ftmfw!
13:48 <@coil> i jusut changed the water like two days ago
13:48 <@coil> so it's clean
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13:53 <@Shadow404> dc0de: there we go, now its raining
13:54 <@Shadow404> rain on the window
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13:55 <@wizardpc> if I install a virtual machine on a virtual machine, will that cause a hole in the space-time continuum?
13:55 <@brimstone> yes
13:55 <@brimstone> and it'll be kinda slow
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14:00 < servant74> works good, but once I got down 8 levels, interrupt response was kinda slow. ... but that was on mainframes in the day...
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14:11 <@ware> brimstone: nah, depends on your hardware
14:11 <@brimstone> orly?
14:12 <@coil> grrr
14:12 <@Shadow404> meow
14:12 <@ware> yuh
14:12 <@coil> why isn't it running at full speed
14:12 <@wizardpc> I have a core2 quad with 4gb of ram
14:12 <@coil> stupid cpu
14:12  * coil kciks the quad core
14:12 <@brimstone> wizardpc: why do you want to do more then one virtualmachine level anyway?
14:12 <@ware> you need more ram
14:12 <@ware> yeah and why
14:13 <@wizardpc> oh I jsut put a LAMP VM on here to cover when I take the webserver down for maintenance, and it comes with a virtualization engine on it
14:13 <@wizardpc> I was wondering why they would do that
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14:14 <@coil> what the fuck
14:14 <@coil> why is my computer working the way it's suppost to
14:14 <@coil> that's unheard of
14:14 <@coil> my ram only has a speed of 2.6Gb/s
14:15 <@coil> when it's clocked at this speed
14:15 <@coil> 5-5-4-12-31
14:16 <@ware> usux
14:16 <@ware> doaf.
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14:19 <@dc0de> well, the customer has a power outage, no phones, internet, or systems...
14:19 <@Shadow404> yeah, no meeting
14:19 <@ware> no problem!
14:20 <@dc0de> 'zactly
14:20 <@Shadow404> wish that would happen to our meetings
14:22 <@wizardpc> My roommate once got very upset that no one from Charter Cable was on a call they insisted on having
14:22 <@wizardpc> then he realized they were all in New Orleans, and Katrina was supposed to hit that day
14:22 <@ware> so... who was he talking to
14:23 <@wizardpc> the hold music
14:23 <@ware> haha
14:24 <@wizardpc> he was sitting behind me, and said "these fuckers won't get on the phone!"
14:24 <@ware> SHIT IMAN FU
14:24 <@ware> this stupid veritas install is fux'd
14:24 <@ware> its like 15 version behind
14:26 <@coil> version of what
14:27 <@dc0de> ware; demonoid... get the latest version.
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14:29 <@coil> how the hell do i get this cpu's clock up to full speed
14:30 <@coil> it's only running at 1.6ghz instead of 2.4
14:32 <@wizardpc> laptop?
14:32 <+MxZBot> laptop is the only Windows system I have here.  heh.
14:32 <@coil> desktop
14:34 <@wizardpc> are you maxing out the 1.6?
14:35 <@Shadow404> coil is diaf
14:35 <@Shadow404> coil?
14:35 <@Shadow404> MxZBot: coil?
14:35 <+MxZBot> Coil plays for both teams, but prefers the cawk. looking for a ride
14:35 <@Shadow404> that one is better anyway
14:40 <@brimstone> coil: you remind me of the main character in Bully
14:40 <@brimstone> or really, the other way around
14:47 <@ware> wutchu guyz hackn on
14:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Database insert failover
14:49 <@ware> <- migrating from veritas 9.1 to efoldering.com
14:52 <@wizardpc> well, that explains why my check was $300 more than i thought it should have been
14:53 <@wizardpc> they changed my medical plan without telling me
14:55 <@wizardpc> which also explains the medical bills I have at home
14:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Ouch
15:02 <@wizardpc> scratch that...they forgot to deduct for Nikki
15:02 <@wizardpc> which now DOESNT explain why I'm getting billed for medical services
15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> wizardpc: copay?
15:03 <@wizardpc> I have the "no out-of-pocket-if-you-get-hit-by-a-bus" plan
15:03 <@wizardpc> copay only, no deductible
15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> I just had an out-of-pocket $300 for my recent surgery, because of the $150 facility copay
15:04 <@wizardpc> I went to minute-clinic for a sore throat and got a "you owe provider $99" thing in the mail yesterday
15:04 <@Corydon76-dig> BCBS still knocked down the $3k bill to $500
15:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Ouch
15:05 <@wizardpc> yeah, and another one for $50 for whn I went to my real doctor 3 days later
15:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Out-of-network, maybe?
15:05 <@wizardpc> nope, invoice says in-network
15:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Odd
15:07 <@wizardpc> quite. It may have happened before, and I just ignore it until they bitch at BCBS enough that they get paid
15:07 <@wizardpc> iirc
15:22 <@coil> brimstone: ????
15:22 <@coil> wizardpc: im trying to run memtest
15:22 <@coil> well was
15:22 <@brimstone> coil: !!!
15:23 <@coil> from booting it from grub
15:23 <@coil> but the cpus doesn't think it needs to be running fasg
15:23 <@coil> fast
15:23 <@coil> brimstone: bully?
15:23 <@dc0de> which is better freeNAS or OpenFiler?
15:24 <@ware> freenas
15:24 <@brimstone> coil: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242193/
15:24 <@dc0de> why?
15:24 <@ware> cause it says free in the name
15:24 <@ware> and its bsd
15:24 <@brimstone> but openfiler has open in the name
15:24 <@ware> its file sharing, aint too tough
15:24 <@dc0de> and OpenFiler supports NAS AND SAN technologies.
15:25 <@ware> nas and san are the same thing
15:25 <@dc0de> ooh, then forget ware's answer.
15:25 <@dc0de> ware; sure, they are...
15:25  * dc0de pats ware on the head... 
15:25 <@ware> http://www.nas-san.com/differ.html
15:26 <@ware> same thing
15:26 <@dc0de> ware; I don't care what some web page says.... they aren't the same thing.
15:26 <@ware> interchangeable, scalable
15:27 <@dc0de> and that page is fluff for stupid people to understand the differences and similarities...
15:27 <@dc0de> the facts are that 4GB/sec SANs far outreach the capabilities of any NAS deployment.
15:28 <@dc0de> FC2 is far more efficient at block data transfer than TCP/IP will ever be, and even with Jumbo Frame support, NAS can't keep up.
15:28  * ware pwnd
15:28 <@brimstone> don't get on the TCP/IP hate train
15:29 <@dc0de> Also, creating snapshots on a file based NAS are tedious, where as clones can be "snapped" in time on SANs.
15:30 <@dc0de> I was actually looking for someone that may have experience USING either OpenFiler or FreeNAS to give me an indication on what they liked/disliked about them... I'm making a choice for my home and office lab networks, and want to do it once.
15:30 <@brimstone> can lvm do snapshots instantly?
15:30 <@dc0de> brimstone; dunno...
15:30 <@dc0de> I don't have experience with LVM
15:30 <@brimstone> dc0de: i really like the lefthandnetworks.com SAN setups
15:31 <@dc0de> brimstone; is it free, and is it software?
15:31 <@brimstone> they're no fiber channel, but for iscsi it's pretty slick
15:31 <@brimstone> no, it's not free
15:31 <@brimstone> but they do have a software only solution
15:31 <@brimstone> if you have supporting hardware
15:31 <@dc0de> I'm looking for free, my budget is -$500
15:32 <@brimstone> why not just use lvm and iscsi then?
15:32 <@brimstone> that's all open
15:32 <@dc0de> I have the hardware, for either OFiler, and/or FreeNas...
15:32 <@brimstone> not easy to use but simple enough
15:32 <@dc0de> I want to have the flexibility to do both iSCSI and SAN HBA's...
15:32 <@dc0de> at the office lab we have a few HBA's and a FC2 switch.
15:33 <@dc0de> I plan on having VMWare images booting off of the storage array...
15:34 <@dc0de> it looks like openfiler has a larger community... I might try that first.
15:34 <@brimstone> well, if they're both open, try one, then the other
15:35 <@dc0de> brimstone; yeah, I guess I shall...
15:35 <@brimstone> perhaps try them both at the same time in virtual machines?
15:35 <@wizardpc> VMWare + SAN = teh goodness
15:35 <@dc0de> they have a freenode irc, so I'll pop in there and make an ass of myself.
15:35 <@dc0de> indeed, wizardpc, I was doing that on EMC SAN's back in 2001.
15:36 <@dc0de> with VMWare Server, IBM Bladecenter, and FC1
15:36 <@brimstone> vmware is crap
15:36 <@brimstone> virtualization + shared storage is pretty cool
15:36 <@wizardpc> we started in 2005, and there was much rejoicing in the land
15:36 <@brimstone> i'll agree there
15:36 <@wizardpc> previously, we used retired workstations for our sandboxes
15:36 <@wizardpc> icky
15:37 <@dc0de> brimstone; vmware in 2001 was really all there was...
15:37 <@brimstone> yeah
15:37 <@dc0de> and it's quite good... why do you feel it's crap?
15:37 <@brimstone> they can't keep up with kernel updates, they run their own network interfaces
15:38 <@wizardpc> my major complaint is that using VMWare viewer over RDP is SLOW
15:38 <@brimstone> that and i'm just an open source nazi all the way around
15:38 <@coil> nazi's are bad
15:38  * coil shoots nazi
15:38 <@wizardpc> only if you're not onw
15:38 <@wizardpc> one
15:38 <@dc0de> why use the viewer? I don't do that... I direct connect to the host IN the VM
15:39 <@dc0de> I actually run vmware server on my ubuntu desktop, and RDP to the host INSIDE the vmware server...
15:39 <@wizardpc> well, i have an odd situation
15:39 <@dc0de> wizardpc; what's new?
15:40 <@Catonic> dc0de: iscsi + free? *nas?
15:40 <@dc0de> Catonic; I am aware of how it all works...
15:40 <@wizardpc> I have VMWare on my server at home. I RDP to the server at home, fire up VMWare, and use a VM to VPN out to the client
15:40 <@ware> dirty
15:40 <@dc0de> and I also want something that I can connect to with FC2...
15:41 <@wizardpc> that way, I have access to their network and my network at the same time
15:41 <@dc0de> wizardpc; ssh tunnel to your house, and tunnel RDP to the VMWare HOST running on VMWare server...
15:41 <@dc0de> ?
15:42 <@wizardpc> dc0de: that works UNTIL you connect via VPN, which kills the network connection
15:42 <@aestetix> Man
15:42 <@ware> tell the vpn client to override the default gw
15:42 <@dc0de> errr?
15:42 <@aestetix> Is there any rationale behind what Pelosi is doing?
15:42 <@aestetix> This whole "unify the country" bullshit.
15:42 <@ware> STFU WERE TALKING
15:43 <@coil> no
15:43 <@coil> u
15:43 <@dc0de> aestetix; who cares, it's politics.
15:43 <@Shadow404> coil: daif
15:43 <@aestetix> To me, it's obviously a political charade.
15:43  * dc0de agrees with aestetix 
15:43 <@dc0de> now, back to the previously interrupted thread.
15:43 <@dc0de> wizardpc; wtf? huh?
15:43  * aestetix sinks back into the ether
15:43 <@Catonic> dc0de: my question is this, is there a free/opensores NAS that supports iscsi?
15:43 <@wizardpc> connect to Cisco VPN == no access locally
15:44 <@coil> no u
15:44 <@dc0de> Catonic; yes, FreeNAS and OpenFiler.
15:44 <@dc0de> Catonic; scrollback.
15:45 <@Catonic> danke
15:45 <@Catonic> now I need one that runs on sparc.
15:45 <@Catonic> maybe I need to port one.
15:45 <@wizardpc> I need one that runs on an apple II/GS
15:45 <@coil> anyone know about bopm?
15:45 <@Catonic> hrm...
15:45 <@wizardpc> gotta share them floppies
15:45 <@brimstone> i got an ogg encoder for my apple IIGS
15:46 <@Catonic> or perhaps port one of them to solaris 10, since it's got the ZFS goodness that rocks the docks until dawn.
15:46 <@Catonic> brimstone: my backpack has jets.
15:47 <@brimstone> :)
15:47 <@brimstone> when is he coming back to town?
15:48 <@Catonic> dunno. I've bumped into a few fans down here who had no idea he's been to town, let alone twice
15:51 <@ware> WOOT
15:51 <@ware> WHO THE FUCK ARE WE TALKIN ABOUT?
15:51 <@coil> nothing shut the fuck up
15:51 <@coil> before slit your throat
15:52 <@ware> you know, coil and i are the same person
15:52 <@coil> then cut off your head and throw it at the bus driver
15:52 <@ware> we have serious multiple personality disorder
15:52 <@coil> no fuck you
15:52 <@ware> you is you
15:52 <@brimstone> ware/coil: rofl
15:52 <@coil> no
15:52 <@ware> yes we is
15:52 <@ware> are
15:53 <@brimstone> *is be
15:53 <@coil> oh
15:53 <@ware> is be, you and me, we is three
15:53 <@brimstone> man, that's the funniest thing i've heard all day:
15:53 <@brimstone> "@ware | we have serious multiple personality disorder" "@coil | no fuck you"
15:53 <@ware> rofl
15:53 <@coil> 4 teh lulz
15:54 <@ware> alwayz
15:54 <@Catonic> coil: are you always this agressive to guys when you desperately want to fuck them in the ass?
15:55 <@coil> ya
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16:19 <@coil> ware you're a faggot.
16:19 <@wizardpc> ware is a bundle of sticks?
16:21 <@ware> coil: what do you mean
16:21 <@ware> :?
16:26 <@ware> coil: answer me fucker
16:27 <@wizardpc> answer yourself. he's you, remember?
16:29 <@ware> yeah but we arent friends.
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17:11 <@ware_> coil: quit fuck head, srs.
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19:01 <@dc0de> aestetix; http://www.flickr.com/photos/vissago/1113760750/in/set-72157601436746113/
19:01 <@nachoguy> nice
19:02 <@nachoguy> how was DC?
19:02 <+sdodson_> defcon was when?
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19:16 <@nachoguy> I thought it was last weekend
19:16 <@nachoguy> I dunno, I've been a bit out of it lately
19:16 <@nachoguy> nevermind
19:16 <@nachoguy> apparently it doesn't happen for like 2 more weeks
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19:20 <@ShadowHntr> ware: *ping*
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19:26 <@ShadowHntr> ping
19:29 <@ware> ShadowHntr: pong
19:29 <@ware> sup
19:39 <@nachoguy> mmm, Cheetos for dinner
19:45 <@ShadowHntr> damn what the fuck is there to do in this town w/o money
19:45 <@ShadowHntr> :P
19:45 <+sdodson_> meth
19:45 <@ziplock> panhandle
19:46 <@aestetix> dc0de: fun
19:46 <@aestetix> Defcon was cancelled
19:49 <@ziplock> Las Vegas is closed
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19:56 <@dc0de> yup, defcon is cancelled...
19:57 <@brimstone> closed?
19:57 <@ziplock> snowed in
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20:03 <@ShadowHntr> ware: *ping*
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20:09 <@ware> sup
20:09 <@ware> ShadowHntr: wut
20:10 <@ShadowHntr> ware: what's this about a lan party
20:12 <@ShadowHntr> damn lag
20:13 <@ShadowHntr> :P
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20:14 <@ShadowHntr> ware: msg me your cell number plz
20:25 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: *ping*
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20:57 <@I-MOD> SkyDog_, what's this about lightning and a router? and are there pics?
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21:02 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you on?
21:03 <@NotLarry> fuckfuckfuckfuck!
21:03 <@NotLarry> I have not had my "don't listen to the voices" pills in two days and around midnight I expect someone to die...
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21:10 < dasunt> Hey quick question.
21:10 < dasunt> I have no college degree.
21:10 <@I-MOD> uh huh
21:11 < dasunt> Picked up stuff from reading (some light stuff like 2600, heavier stuff like Tananbaum and Knuth).
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21:11 < dasunt> Think I'd learn anything significant if I went to school for a college degree in computer science?
21:12 <@nachoguy> would you learn much, probably not.  but that piece of paper opens doors
21:12  * I-MOD pokes at brimstone for an answer
21:12 < dasunt> nachoguy: That's about my view of it.
21:12 <@I-MOD> i'd have to agree
21:12 <@nachoguy> Ask Dolemite
21:13 <@nachoguy> he's said a few times, his degree got his foot in the door
21:13 <@I-MOD> maybe some targeted classes if you really want to learn more
21:13 <@I-MOD> and don't think the degree is worth it
21:13 <@nachoguy> what's the policy on the hackerpimp dc party?
21:13 <@nachoguy> I assume it's not open door
21:13 < dasunt> I understand the whole degree-runs-the-HR-gauntlet.
21:13 <@nachoguy> or is it?
21:14 < dasunt> Dolemite: Around?
21:14 <@nachoguy> as I once had someone tell me, "A degree is proof that you put up with bullshit for four years, and are therefore ready for corporate life"
21:14 <@I-MOD> that's somewhat true
21:15 <+sdodson_> It's entirely different type of bullshit though.
21:15 <@I-MOD> a degree says you're willing to stick with something until it's finished
21:15 < dasunt> Heh, my coworker (the one with the web programming/design degree that doesn't understand functions) is leaving for a corporate job.
21:16 <@nachoguy> sdodson, not where I'm at
21:16 <@MudFlap_> Degree does put polish on other areas of bullshit.  Doesn't indicate raw capability though.
21:16 <@nachoguy> either that or working for the school gave me different insight
21:16 <@nachoguy> agree
21:17 <@Stefanie_TN> What Mudflap said... and it applies to just about any field.
21:17 <@I-MOD> MudFlap_, i totally agree, we have one person right now that got a computer engineering degree, but i don't know how b/c he's one of the most inept people i know
21:17 < dasunt> Degree wise, would I be best off just going to the cheapest school that isn't named "Joe's Bait and IT Degrees"?
21:18 <@I-MOD> if you're going just for the piece of paper, yes
21:18 <@MudFlap_> Classes from drill instructors tend to stretch the mind, which may come in handy later in other problems.
21:18 < dasunt> I-MOD: When I was in college, I was running behind on a few autocad assignments.  Passed with a high grade (A or B) because the teacher said I was one of the few people in the class whose work wasn't suspiciously similar to most of the class.
21:18 < dasunt> I was going for engineering.
21:18 <@I-MOD> lol
21:19 <@I-MOD> i'm still on college for engineering
21:19 < dasunt> I don't know what I would want to go to college for.
21:19 < dasunt> I'm looking at how many credits I need to finish my two year.
21:19 <+sdodson_> I'm finding dealing with corporate environment hard, and our corporate environment is quite light.
21:19 < dasunt> Then I was thinking of seeing about transferring to state and do 2 years of something that isn't IT, and use that as leverage for an IT job.
21:20 <@NotLarry> nachoguy: Damn, I went to school for 7 years, put up with the shit, didn't get the degree.  That should count for something
21:21 < dasunt> NotLarry: How do you deal with the lack of a degree?
21:24 <@Stefanie_TN> The school you choose also depends on your reason for seeking a degree: 1) to learn a trade/open doors, which is more practical for most students, or 2) to get a general education, which is usually considered a luxury.
21:25 <@NotLarry> you suck it up and work for a living
21:25 < dasunt> I got the trade though.
21:25 < dasunt> I would like more doors to be open.
21:25 <@MudFlap_> Degree taught me what I lacked, and how to bear down, how I measured up against the general population, and how to solve problems thru the use of the resources.
21:25 <@NotLarry> for around 11 years I was disabled an unable to work anywhere so it didn't mater.  After that it sucked
21:25 <@I-MOD> so get a trade degree in what you already know
21:25 <@MudFlap_> It polished me more than I realized.
21:26 <@I-MOD> you can breeze through it and it might be a refresher
21:26 <@NotLarry> No one will talk to you, no one will interview you for a job without a degree
21:26 < dasunt> Am I being arrogant, or is there some comp sci knowledge that is only handed down from teacher to student in a secret ceremony?
21:26 <@NotLarry> go get a degree.  Anyone in this day and age who does not have a degree deserves to loose their job to the americans
21:26 <@MudFlap_> I see that happening with one at work.  She's incrementally improving.
21:27 < dasunt> MudFlap_: I wish the guy I'm dealing with now at work figured out how to solve problems through the use of resources.
21:27 < dasunt> His only resource seems to be to email me with a screen capture of an error message he gets.
21:27 <@NotLarry> if you don't have the dicipline to get a degree, or the core knowlage needed to do the same no one wants you to work for them:)
21:27 < dasunt> He's the head IT guy at a company that we do the hardware for.
21:27 < dasunt> NotLarry: I'm in my early 30s now, the cost/time is going to make it hard.
21:28 < dasunt> But I've been thinking of it.
21:28 < servant74> the only thing a college degree gets is a little respect when you talk to a company... possibly some initials to put after your name. ... The next thing it does is IMHO increase <warning: handwaving> your understanding of the world.... so no education ever goes to waste, it just may not be monitized </warning>
21:28 <@Stefanie_TN> Whatever reason you have for getting a degree, it will eventually help you in ways you might not have expected.
21:28 < dasunt> The other thing is, what degree do I want?
21:29 < servant74> What do you have a 'passion' for? ... go that way
21:29 <@I-MOD> yeah
21:29 <@MudFlap_> The one I speak of has 3 kids, takes night classes.  English class radically changed her.
21:29 <@I-MOD> something you like doing or at least tolerate excessive amounts of
21:29 < dasunt> I'm not sure what I like doing anymore.
21:30 <@I-MOD> hobbies?
21:30 <+MxZBot> hobbies are fun...
21:31 <@MudFlap_> I'm trained to solve problems, and I hate solving everybody's problems.  I got problems.
21:31 < servant74> I figured out to late, that I really like machines, and don't like dealing with people. ... Getting a comp-sci degree made me a programmer (in the '70's), and waht they do first is to deal with people. ... working with people takes lots of bandwidth that I would have rather spent programming.
21:32 < servant74> If you hate to solve other folks problems, figure out what they need to $$ you to make their problems interesting. ... charge more than that!
21:32 <@I-MOD> yeah, i went from tech support to engineering
21:32 < servant74> good direction, I went the other way :(
21:32 <@MudFlap_> but on good days, I love that junk.  bring it on!
21:33 < servant74> Lots of operating systems folks are non-degree, but it makes it harder to get your foot in the door
21:34 <@MudFlap_> dasunt: i don't think it matters what direction, the choice is to start or not.  get started.
21:35 <@MudFlap_> something a little different to get the mind thinking different to open the mind up.
21:37 < dasunt> MudFlap_: I am, actually -- contacted the college I went to the other day to get information on how many credits I have left to get an associates degree.
21:37 < servant74> there is also the thing called market. ... there are fewer job for engineers than technicians.  but they tend to pay engineers more
21:38 < dasunt> I think I'd like a job that was partially programming, partially figuring new things out, and building systems.
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21:38 < servant74> but engineers can USUALLY do technician work for tech pay in a bad market.
21:40 < servant74> In larger companies it is easy to get 'peigon holed' (bad spelling, small ugly bird that poops on statues), and they don't consider you for more than the skill set they hired you with.
21:41 < servant74> so be prepared to 'rebrand' and remarket yourself from time to time ... gone are the days of 1 company for 45 years like my father in-law did at Phillips Petrolium research
21:42 < servant74> I have found I like consulting.  Helping fix someone elses problems, getting paid to much for it, leave them before something else breaks. ... everyone stays happy
21:42 <@MudFlap_> dasunt: finish up the degree, make sure credits are transferable if possible.  Companies are paying, and seem to be impressed w/  one going for degree.  At end you win.
21:42 < servant74> bad thing its getting the next gig ... I hate marketing
21:43 < servant74> yep ... first thing ... get the degree, check where you want to go next and talk with them and try to get them to accept all the credits you can!
21:43 < dasunt> servant74: How did you get into consulting?
21:44 < wrench___> dasunt: Picking a minor that works a different side of your brain helps round things out on paper and in your life while your in school. I did a compsci major and history minor. After doing compsci work...reading history was a nice change of pace.
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21:44 < servant74> I was working at a big company, and a head hunter called me. ... they had to really talk me into it. ... he talked to me for more than 6 months before I jumped
21:45 < dasunt> I may need a better job right now as well.
21:45 < servant74> In an area like this, getting your name out is the hard thing. ... I contacted some HH Companies before I came here from TX and they lined me up with gigs
21:46 < dasunt> Money/hours are getting to be problematic.
21:46 <@MudFlap_> wrench___: we jack of all trades and master of none!
21:46 < servant74> once they dried up, I talked with Howard and worked at his place a while
21:46 <@MudFlap_> wrench___: Sorry, misspoke aboot you, meant me!
21:47 < servant74> I keep talking with companies, many are leary of going with individual consultants, so getting on board with one, letting them know what you want allows them to start marketing you...
21:48 < servant74> call me at home tomorrow, or email me at home, i will get you some contacts if you need help
21:48 < wrench___> MudFlap_: heh...we are master of none!
21:48 <@ware> NotLarry: RFD?
21:48 < servant74> it's almost pumpkin time in my hobbit hole
21:48 <@MudFlap_> wrench___: But we will die trying!
21:49 < wrench___> MudFlap_: damn straight!
21:50 <@coil> what's a good fast dns server?
21:50 <@ware> 4.2.2.1
21:51 <@ware> opendns.net
21:52 <@coil> 4.2.2.1 is too slow
21:53 <@ware> 4.2.2.2
21:53 <@ware> opendns's should be fine
21:53 <@ware> til you hit a site they block hehe
21:54 <@coil> well i can't have that
21:55 <@ware> think you can register a user and tell it where youre coming from and what to do with your dns resolutions
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22:01 <@NotLarry> ware, give me a few minutes, finishing up
22:01 <@NotLarry> ware:  is Dolemite on?
22:01 <@coil> all i want is a dns server that does 50ms ping
22:02 <@coil> not 750msec
22:02 <@coil> or 2032msec
22:02 <@polerin> don't know if it will respond to non comcast ip's but what about 68.87.68.162
22:03 <@coil> looks like it responded pretty quick
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22:05 <@coil> ;; Query time: 251 msec
22:05 <@coil> getting better...
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22:09 <@ware> NotLarry: neg
22:09 <@juice> coil, use the password recovery?
22:12 <@ware> coil: whats wrong with the isp's dn
22:12 <@ware> s
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22:27 <@NotLarry> wow, dc'd
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22:28 <@ware> yah
22:28 <@ware> joo bout rdy
22:28 <@NotLarry> let me finish starting up, my workstation had to be killed
22:28 <@dc0de> sup NotLarry
22:29 <@NotLarry> dc0de: Actually working at work, strange.  Not used to that.
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22:30 <@dc0de> don't make a habit of it, your bosses will want you to do it all the time.
22:30  * dc0de is a victim of his own abilities.
22:30 <@polerin> hehe
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22:30 <@NotLarry> I had my boss/boss in here tonight
22:30 <@dc0de> doh,
22:31 <@NotLarry> I get to come in on one of my day's off next month and work for 3 or 4 hours
22:32 <@NotLarry> Doing something they have not had me do yet.  The owner of the project will be in the bahamas:)
22:42 < M0j0-j0j0> I want my job to do something they have not had me do yet..... go on a vacation without having to work :)
22:43 <@ware> NotLarry: havin issues
22:43 <@ware> just a sec
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22:50 <@juice> i'm going to philly tomorrow
22:50 <@juice> for summer party
22:51 <@juice> get to be there about 22hrs
22:54 <@polerin> you know
22:54 <@polerin> I just had a "oh god, I actually LIKE javascript sometimes" moment
22:59 <@Jagobah> :o
23:01 < M0j0-j0j0> there are worst things than javascript
23:06 <@polerin> heh
23:06 <@polerin> there are
23:07 <@polerin> but I've been so frustrated with it
23:07 <@polerin> I think I had a moment of grok
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23:10 < M0j0-j0j0> goatse is worse than javascript
23:11 <@polerin> brainfuck is worse than javascript
23:11 <@polerin> goatse I'm not even bothered by anymore
23:11 <@polerin> the image has lost its power for me
23:11 < M0j0-j0j0> two cup
23:11 <@polerin> never bothered
23:12 < M0j0-j0j0> I never saw two cup
23:12 < M0j0-j0j0> but javascript is better than goatse
23:14 <@polerin> there's a whole bunch that's wrong with the language
23:14 <@polerin> but I'm starting to warm to the "everything is a model" kind of thing
23:15 <@polerin> and passing functions around like candy
23:16 <@coil> ware: the isp's dns sucks balls too
23:16 <@coil> i dunno the ip either
23:17 <@ware> ask em
23:19 < M0j0-j0j0> polerin: *shrug* I see it as a necessary evil.  Tools like dojo, lazslo, and jquery make it a lot better
23:20 <@polerin> yeah
23:20 <@polerin> jQuery is awesome.
23:20 <@polerin> the more I work with the language though the more I can see it's potential under all the crap
23:25 <@Catonic> 2grls1cup?
23:28 < M0j0-j0j0> because of platform issues and the amount if crap code people come up with I think a toolkit keeps people writing better code
23:28 < M0j0-j0j0> Catonic: *shrug* if you say so... someone told me what it was before I opened it so I never bothered... it didn't sound like my bag
23:29 < M0j0-j0j0> not enough animals ;)
23:29 <@polerin> heh
23:29 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: yeah.  I'm working in with jQuery inside of AIR right now
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23:34 <@Catonic> I'm not affected by 2girls1cup
23:34 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: you up?
23:35 <@Catonic> Unfortunately, I got my start in the Dotcom-era, when we were all 18 and daring each other to look at rotten.com while eating lunch..
23:35 <@Catonic> NotLarry: spoon with me big man.
23:36 <@NotLarry> not right now, working
23:36 <@Catonic> how ya been man?
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23:41 <@Catonic> W00t!
23:41 <@Catonic>        2. c1t0d0 <SUN-SOLARIS-1 cyl 32766 alt 2 hd 4 sec 16>
23:41 <@Catonic>           /iscsi/disk@0000iqn.1986-03.com.sun%3A02%3A289e9522-b849-cd00-de69-de5224feb451.target-label0001,0
23:55 <@polerin> Catonic: heh, you too? :P
23:57 <@ShadowHntr> well done Catonic :)
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23:58 <@polerin> (that was in ref to the rotten.com thing )
23:59 < M0j0-j0j0> I think I was too old for the rotten.com thing
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