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06:32 <@Shadow404> yeah, firefox updates today
06:36 <@brimstone> 3.0.2 is out now?
06:36 <@brimstone> that was fast, 3.0.1 came out last week
06:36 <@Shadow404> stil 3.0.1 but some extensions got updated
07:07 <@Shadow404> any recommendations for a program that can limit a particular folders size by write locking it if it gets to big?
07:08 <@Shadow404> and ideally send an alert over some format to the administrator
07:08 <@Shadow404> this is for vista
07:08 <@Shadow404> found a few leads, just wondering if anyone has done something similiar and has suggestions
07:14 <@sdodson> I'm sure vista supports quotas.
07:14 <@sdodson> Every version of nt has so far.
07:15 <@Shadow404> not seeing it, checked under auditing
07:22 <@Shadow404> grr, does quota per drive only, not directory
07:23 <@sdodson> If this is for your ftp server just make that one user and set it per drive.
07:24 <@Shadow404> well, i think the best wy now, is to make a new partition
07:24 <@Shadow404> added security too
07:24 <@Shadow404> and i dont have to worry about quota
07:28 <@sdodson> Shadow404: exactly how is that added security?
07:29 <@Shadow404> well, if they find a hack to get outside the root folder, they aer still stuck on that partition
07:29 <@Shadow404> instead of os partition where they can do more damage
07:30 <@Shadow404> also the server is on the os partition, kept seperate from the storage partition
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08:03 <@oddball> bah... I think my router is dying
08:04 <@oddball> oh, and apparently someone is trying to take my handle
08:04 <@Shadow404> whos the real oddball?
08:04 <@oddball> Me, bitches!
08:05 <@Shadow404> prove it
08:09  * oddball smacks Shadow404 with his Battle Spork(tm)
08:10 <@Shadow404> yep, i think we found the fake oddball
08:10 <@Shadow404> only a fake oddball would use a battle spork
08:11  * oddball torches Shadow404 with Spaceballs: the Flamethrower
08:11 <@oddball> happy?
08:11 <+MxZBot> happy is i
08:11  * oddball pets the happy bot
08:13 <@oddball> OK, what the hell... we're hiring a new employee, and the VP wants to automatically be CC'd on any email this guy recieves.
08:14  * oddball wonders if exchange can do that beyond setting up a mailing list.
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08:27 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:27 <@dc0de> Sup Dolemite?
08:27 <@Dolemite> oddball : Yes, it can.
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08:46 <@oddball> Ok, could you point me at a clue how to do this?  All my google searches are coming up with how to do it if the account is sending stuff out, not recieving.
08:46 <@Dolemite> Dunno, I'm not an Exchange admin, but Tony has to do it from time to time.
08:49 <@oddball> ah, gotcha.
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09:19 <@Evilpig> oddball: exchange features
09:19 <@Evilpig> on the new person's ad account
09:20 <@Evilpig> verifying that now
09:20 <@Evilpig> sry.  "exchange general"  then click delivery options
09:25 <@sdodson> hai
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09:32 <@oddball> thank you, Evilpig
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10:27 <@SkyDog_> http://www.fathomevents.com/details.aspx?eventid=724
10:27 <@SkyDog_> "Do you want to play a game?"
10:28 <@critch> I know it isn't as geeky, but this is one I will be going to http://www.fathomevents.com/details.aspx?eventid=725
10:30 <@SkyDog_> I haven't looked, but I'll bet it's the even Mcgregor flick...
10:31 <@SkyDog_> yup!
10:31 <@SkyDog_> I bet that one is pretty cool too.
10:31 <@nachoguy> you have a 6th sense about Jedis?
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10:41 <@Catonic> My face is burning like a midget with a case of herpes.
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11:52 <@aestetix> hey
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12:04 <@aestetix> SkyDog_: you've got mail
12:06 <@SkyDog_> Thanks. reading.
12:07 <@SkyDog_> Very nice!
12:07 <@aestetix> cool!
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12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Nice leak on the Kaminsky DNS bug
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Clever vulnerability
12:16 <@nachoguy> I haven't gotten around to reading it, but Kaminsky is a genius
12:16 <@dc0de> afternoon all.
12:19 <@Corydon76-dig> DNSSEC is clearly the only real fix.  Randomizing the source port is just a stopgap measure
12:23 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, link?
12:23 <@Shadow404> what if you use bind 9?
12:23 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: it's been taken down already
12:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: latest version only
12:23 <@Shadow404> ah, then im all good
12:23 <@dc0de> ahh.
12:23 <@dc0de> article explaining it?
12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> http://blog.invisibledenizen.org/2008/07/kaminskys-dns-issue-accidentally-leaked.html
12:49 <@Evilpig> why can't more restaurants make and sell cheeseburgers from fresh ground beef and not premade slabs of meat?
12:49 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: you mean the 16-32 bit thing?
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12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: no, what I found clever was using the additional records field
12:53 <@Corydon76-dig> (for your target)
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13:03 <@Evilpig> anyone in here have to deal with a corporate intranet or have any preferences on CMS packages?
13:04 <@Corydon76-dig> The Digium people all have a corporate intranet
13:05 < coil_> i have "business dsl"
13:05 <@Evilpig> what runs that intranet site?
13:05 <@Evilpig> the one I have to deal with at erachem is an ibm product
13:05 < coil_> knology
13:09 <@Evilpig> drupal looks to have alot of functionality to it and has ldap support so I can use my AD users
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> I think drupal is what is used on asterisk.org
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> but the main internal info site is a Wiki
13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> MoinMoin
13:13 < coil_> http://wtfurls.com/videos/534/wife-will-never-touch-a-gun-again
13:13 <@Evilpig> a wiki is fine.  but some people around here are just fuckin' stupid.  so I need easy to use
13:13 <@Corydon76-dig> The wiki is pretty easy to use
13:13 < coil_> here
13:13 < coil_> whos just fuckin stupid
13:14 <@Corydon76-dig> The only real trouble that a Wiki has is the lack of a good navigation system (other than what the users build themselves)
13:14 <@Corydon76-dig> fortunately, MoinMoin has a good search built in
13:16 <@Evilpig> I could handle setting up the links as could the other tech ppl.  not so sure about the HR girl, etc.  they will be the ones needing to add content regularly
13:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: as long as you impress upon them the necessity of building their own links, I think a Wiki is probably the easiest method of distributing the load for info dissemination
13:19 <@Corydon76-dig> and the fact that it keeps a history of every edit means that nobody can make a mistake that can't be reverted
13:20 <@Corydon76-dig> So it's not a "hands-off, don't screw it up"... it's the nature of the beast that nobody can screw it up
13:22 <@Evilpig> does it store all the attachments in mysql or on the drive someplace?
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13:27 < coil_> i hate it when i get error 23
13:31 <@Shadow404> gonna open limits
13:31 <@Shadow404> hold
13:32 <@Shadow404> done
13:37 < coil_> Shadow404: i wasn't talking about anything related to you
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13:37 < coil> msg nickserv identify supersecretpassword
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13:39 <@Evilpig> you lie sir! 13:38 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Invalid password for coil.
13:39 <@Evilpig> gosh!
13:39 <@coil> just checking out many people would do it
13:39 <@Evilpig> I tried to ghost you for fun
13:39 <@Evilpig>  /msg nickserv ghost coil supersecretpassword
13:39 <@coil> now you die
13:40 <@Evilpig> wondering just how much mail was in this database afterall.  it's already transferred 82,000+ messages at a rate of 7-8 messages a second.
13:41 <@Evilpig> the file queue is over 1mil
13:41 <@coil> that's a lot of mail
13:41 <@coil> i recommend you rm -rf /
13:42 <@Evilpig> we had a tomcat application die.  and it sent something to the tune of 30 messages about an error a second for a few hours til the drive filled up
13:42 <@coil> lol
13:42 <@coil> that's so nice of tomcat to let you know what's going on
13:42 <@Evilpig> it wasn't tomcat.  it was the hack developer.
13:43 <@coil> o
13:43 <@coil> whos that
13:43 <@Evilpig> don't get me wrong.  tomcat is garbage most of the time.
13:43 <@Evilpig> gwava
13:43 <@Evilpig> http://www.gwava.com/products/retain_overview.php  <-- that product
13:44 <@coil> ahh
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14:06 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, here is the original post...
14:06 <@dc0de> http://beezari.livejournal.com/141796.html
14:16 <@Catonic> http://www.dieselsweeties.com/hstrips/0/2/0/6/02063.gif <- This works?!!!
14:17 <@coil> lol
14:17 <@coil> i wish
14:17 <@tzanger> wtf
14:17 <@coil> then i would have 2384238 peopel
14:17 <@tzanger> coil: don't you know, there are 2384238 singles in your area! click _here_ to view profiles
14:18  * coil clixxx
14:18  * coil clixxx
14:18 <@coil> IT'S NOT WORKING
14:18 <@coil> HOW DO I CLIX
14:18  * Catonic clicks
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14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: actually, the one I posted was from yesterday.  That blog post is from today.
14:21 <@Catonic> http://drinkingyourmilkshake.com/archive/2008/07/16/actual-quotes-from-child-support-forms.aspx
14:25 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, yeah, but that is a copy of the "posted" then "removed" blog, no?
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14:29 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: impossible to know
14:30 <@critch> wtf, just received a subscribe confirmation to a list I know I didn't request. They sent a copy of the message that triggered the subscribe request. Someone tried to spam my account with the subscribe address as the from. When the mailer rejected it, it bounced and triggered the subscribe.
14:31 <@critch> time for a AOL message board joe jobbing
14:32 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, that's what the link that took me there said...
14:32  * dc0de shrugs
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14:41 <@Shadow404> bastad
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14:42 <@coil> wtf? i didn't do anything
14:42 <@coil> and i wont be childish and kikc you
14:42 <@Shadow404> 21:05 -!- Shadow404 was kicked from #se2600 by coil [coil]
14:42 <@coil> ???
14:42 <@coil> i dont remember that
14:43 <@Shadow404> cause you were ont he wrong server
14:43 <@Shadow404> lrn2irssi
14:43 <@dc0de> what month was that?
14:43 <@Shadow404> dc0de: how about 37 minutes ago
14:44 <@coil> o
14:44 <@dc0de> hey, I don't log... and I really don't care.
14:44 <@coil> sry
14:44 <@Shadow404> i dont log either
14:44 <@Shadow404> i lrn2scroll
14:44 <@dc0de> I was just asking since the post didn't have a timestamp
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15:29 <@dc0de> sup MaxieZ
15:33 < MaxieZ> Hey dc0de.  Sorry.  went to a quick meeting
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15:49 <@dc0de> MaxieZ, it happens :P
16:49 <@Shadow404> can anyone resolve bigblue.homeftp.net?
16:49 <@Shadow404> er load that page
16:49 <@Shadow404> i think the power got knocked out
16:58 <@Feltenix> I timed out trying to connect
16:59 <@Dagmar> lredirects to shadowcam.homeftp.net:81
17:01 <@Shadow404> thx
17:02 <@Shadow404> i think the power went out at home
17:02 <@Shadow404> not suprised
17:02 <@Shadow404> radar 30127
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17:23 <@aestetix> word
17:25 <@sdodson> hi
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17:36 <@Shadow404> back up and running
17:37 <@Shadow404> that's an errie sound, you walk into your server closet and complete silence
17:37 <@aestetix> have a good time at HOPE?
17:37 <@Shadow404> i wasnt at hope
17:37 <@aestetix> I was talking to sdodson
17:37 <@aestetix> you missed out
17:37 <@Shadow404> but i hear there were some preggos
17:37 <@aestetix> preggos?
17:38 <@Shadow404> heh
17:38 <@Shadow404> thats what i heard
17:54 <@Evilpig> anyone have a number for notlarry that he'll answer?
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17:58 <@sdodson> Shadow404: god damn you depressing sack of shit, get over palindrome... like two years ago would be nice
17:58 <@sdodson> aestetix: Ya, was good, wish I had more time to spend there.
17:59 <@Evilpig> Dolemite, Mirage: Is he working the NOC tonight?
18:01 <@sdodson> Evilpig: why do you love NotLarry so much?
18:02 <@Evilpig> cause I need to talk to him about this weekend
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18:14 <@Dagmar> He's working on something in the DC at the moment but i'll tell him when he gets back
18:16 <@Evilpig> thx
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18:53 <@sdodson> What's a Catalytic Converter worth on the streets?
18:53 <@juice> nothing ...
18:54 <@juice> on  car it might be worth something
18:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Might be worth something for scrap
18:54 <@Corydon76-dig> The catalyst compound is certainly worth a bit
18:55 <@sdodson> They're apparently the new thing to steal.
18:55 <@Dagmar> that's messed up
18:55 <@Dagmar> They don't have a lot of precious metals in them
18:55 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: a car catalytic converter?
18:55 <@Dagmar> It's all electroplated.
18:55 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: Yes.
18:56 <@sdodson> SUVs apparently, but I imagine that's mostly a factor of ease (higher off the ground)
18:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Because they do make catalytic converters for other things, like factory smokestacks
18:56 <@sdodson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#Catalytic_converter_theft
18:57 <@sdodson> Ya, cause rolling up with a crane and dismantling a smoke stack is something no one would notice.
18:57 <@tzanger> I thought there was Platinum in them
18:57 <@tzanger> like Dagmar says though, it's not much
18:58 <@Dagmar> Platinum, palladium, some other stuff.
18:58 <@Dagmar> Nothing particularly major tho
18:58 <@sdodson> wikipedia says up to $200 resell value
18:58 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I was thinking more along the lines of climbing up to the roof and taking out the components with the equivalent of a bolt cutter
18:59 <@sdodson> They locked up all the parking lots at work which has the added bonus of allowing me to get to work as late as 9:30 and still get a spot on the ground level floor, yay!
18:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Clearly, some regulation of the scrap metal business (preventing thieves from fencing the goods) would go a ways towards preventing such theft
19:01 <@tzanger> indeed
19:01 <@tzanger> a stamped serial #
19:01 <@sdodson> Only criminals would have guns!
19:01 <@sdodson> err sell metal!
19:01 <@tzanger> they put freaking complex identification of *headlights* for chrissakes
19:01 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: if you can prove that you are the owner of said property and that the metal came from your property, you can deal in the metal
19:02 <@sdodson> I think the real solution is chopping hands off of fuckers caught stealing.
19:03 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I'm not sure I'd go to that extreme.  Perhaps branding 'thief' into their foreheads would work
19:03 <@sdodson> The potmarked meth face already does that.
19:04 <@Corydon76-dig> That's pretty much what the sex offender registration laws do, and they've had their recidivism rates decline drastically as a result
19:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rate of any felony class
19:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Register anyone convicted of any felony, perhaps, and force them to continue to register for the rest of their lives
19:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Failing to register is a crime in itself
19:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe the recidivism rates of the other felonies will also decline as a result
19:08 <@Dagmar> Why don't we have them implanted with GPS tracking devices
19:09 <@Dagmar> Force them to submit to random search and seizure procedures
19:09 <@Dagmar> ...and random surviellance of all their communications.
19:09 <@sdodson> I'm talk'n bout my boner!
19:09 <@sdodson> Watch the daily show if you didn't get the reference.
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19:12 <@sdodson> I'm glad the vmware kids are now focusing on flaming HyperV rather than Xen and KVM
19:14 <@rhia> considering anything from assault rape to peeing in public can be prosecuted as a sex offense... yeah, I'd like to know a serial rapist lives across the hall from me, on the other hand, i'd like to know why he's Across The Hall and not in jail  ... and on the other foot, i really don't think getting hammered and peeing in an alley is a "sex offense"
19:14 <@dc0de> now those were some amazing storms...
19:15 <@dc0de> http://picasaweb.google.com/mr.dc0de/Storms/photo#5225995152370594994
19:16 <@dc0de> 3 at a time, converging on my house.
19:16 <@Dagmar> rhia: I think you overlooked that Corydon was calling for that kind of registration of *all* felons.
19:16 <@sdodson> rhia: You've never experienced the pure joy of male urination when absolutely hammered and with a bursting bladder.
19:16 <@Dagmar> If we do that we might as well formally strip them of their citizenship on the first offencce.
19:16 <@dc0de> why should they have to register? It's already a matter of public record..
19:16 <@dc0de> all felons aren't career criminals.
19:17 <@Dagmar> dc0de: So that the populace can be more easily suppressed.
19:17 <@dc0de> Dagmar: yeah, that.
19:17 <@rhia> even criminal psychologists admit to a difference between a 19 yr old having sex with a 17 year old (statutory in some states if the parents push for it) and a 35 yr old how has a habit of sneaking in windows and wearing a mask looking for 'love'
19:17 <@dc0de> if you get charged 3 times in GA with drunk driving, you are automatically charged with a Felony
19:17 <@tzanger> http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=WSO
19:18 <@Dagmar> I'm suprised it's not a felony on the first offense
19:18 <@tzanger> that's what I got goin' on (I'm in Kitchener, just to the right of center)
19:18 <@rhia> sdodson: reread, my take is that pissing in an alley shouldn't be a sex crime
19:18 <@Dagmar> ...but then, that's probably because rich people like to drink and drive.
19:18 <@dc0de> I'm not saying that taking 3 times to learn that lesson is a good thing, but a personal friend of mine drug himself out of that drinking gutter, and is now charged as a felon, 7 years later
19:18 <@dc0de> and he's a successful, contributing member of society, oh, and he's a computer security geek.
19:19 <@rhia> Dagmar: i saw that, but the his argument rests on an assumption I take issue with
19:19 <@dc0de> rhia: what's that?
19:19 <@sdodson> Which drugs did he use to get out of the gutter?
19:20 <@dc0de> sdodson: H20
19:20 <@dc0de> lethal in large doses.
19:20 <@rhia> that registering sex offenders is a really REALLY broad brush ... if they're that dangerous, why let them out? if they only had to pee, wtf should they have to be registered with a felony offense?
19:21 <@dc0de> rhia: because we've become a country of pandering wussicrats.
19:21 <@rhia> fix the problem, fix the system, don't just pass feel good legislation that does neither
19:21 <@dc0de> OMG, he exposed his penis, or she exposed her breasts...
19:21 <@dc0de> SEX OFFENDER!
19:21 <@Dagmar> rhia: Or... buy more pitchforks.
19:21 <@rhia> dc0de: precisely ...
19:22 <@dc0de> rhia: I don't agree with ANY MORE legislation... we need to fix the fucked up shit we've got first.
19:22 <@dc0de> I say, STOP ALL NEW LEGISLATION, UNTIL WE FIX THE BROKEN STUFF WE HAVE.
19:22 <@dc0de> and I move that we legislate that stop of legislation immediately!
19:22 <@Dagmar> I think we need more pitchforks and torches.
19:23 <@rhia> then again, letting kids watch hack & slash horror movies bothers me a hell of a lot more than them seeing bare bodies or consensual sex scenes
19:23 <@dc0de> yeah, because when I was a kid, it wasn't easy to see death and gore, oh, wait, yes it was.
19:23 <@rhia> dc0de: think i said similar to your sentiment already ;)
19:23 <@Dagmar> rhia: That's because rich people believe that those movies encourage poor people to think they can touch them
19:24 <@dc0de> Instead of watching gore and blood on TV, we were outside breaking our own bones and seeing the gore and blood first hand...
19:25 <@Dagmar> NOw we have Rule 34.
19:25 <@rhia> dc0de: my take is... our biological reason for being here is to reproduce, first ... slaughter and mayhem are byproducts of that drive being subverted or perverted, not the other way around
19:25 <@dc0de> but that method comes with a positive side effect.... it's called Knowledge.  e.g. if you break your arm falling out of the tree you were told NOT to climb, and your bone protrudes from your arm like a 4th and 5th joint, making you want to throw up, then you gain the Knowledge that you shouldn't do that again.
19:26 <@dc0de> or in my case, I witnessed it happen to a childhood friend, and that was enough to "remind" me that the particular tree in question was "OFF LIMITS".
19:26 <@sdodson> Refusing to make progress until we fix existing problems doesn't make sense either.
19:27 <@rhia> enacting feel good laws is, arguably, not exactly Progress
19:27 <@dc0de> rhia: you beat me to it.
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19:29 <@sdodson> I was speaking in a more general sense, not the current topic.
19:31 <@dc0de> sdodson: I was being just a bit (err, how do you say) sarcastic?
19:31 < Synx_hm_> ugh
19:31 <@dc0de> Synx_hm_: huh?
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19:42 <@sdodson> mother fuck'n lasers!
19:43 <@dc0de> I am Sick and muth'fuckin' tired of the muth'fuckin' lasers on this muth'fuckin' PLANE!
19:43 <@coil> pew pew pew
19:46 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: I think you missed that sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rates
19:46 <@Corydon76-dig> and the reason they have to register is a matter of public safety
19:47 <@dc0de> what is a "sex offender"?
19:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Imprisonment is about punishment.
19:47 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: definition differs in most states
19:47 <@dc0de> actually, it's becoming more of the SAME in most states...
19:48 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm suggesting that if you force all felony offenders, no matter what the crime, to register, we may affect recidivism rates across the board
19:48 <@dc0de> if your penis or breasts were exposed in public, you're a "Sex Offender".
19:48 <@Corydon76-dig> In TN, at least, the crime that put an offender on the registry is known on the registry itself
19:49 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: no, that's going to have a reverse effect, in that people will simply force MORE legislation to keep "Felons" out of their neighborhoods, making more dumbass laws like the ones that don't allow a "registered sex offender" to live within 1000' of a school, church, or bus stop.
19:49 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I thought that that law had been tossed
19:50 <@dc0de> Delkalb county GA moved all their bus stops within 1000' of each other, thereby forcing ANY "sex offender" to have to move out of the COUNTY completely.
19:50 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: you can put them on a registry, but you can't restrict where they live
19:50 <@dc0de> it was tossed, BUT, you saw how the legislation was moved, and the reactions were put in motion.
19:51 <@dc0de> yeah, THIS TIME.
19:51 <@dc0de> what about "NEXT" time...
19:51 <@dc0de> if you don't think that creating a registry will cause organizations to find "Loopholes" in how to use that information, you're in denial.
19:51 <@Corydon76-dig> There will always be a next time, for anything... to eliminate any such occurrence, you might as well have no laws at all
19:52 <@coil> ya fuck it
19:52 <@coil> anarchy ftw
19:52 <@dc0de> IMHO, that's FAR better than the bullshit of registering everyone who happens to make a mistake.
19:52 <@Corydon76-dig> I think organizations will definitely use that information.  That's what it's there for
19:52 <@Corydon76-dig> An informed public is a good thing.
19:52 <@dc0de> fucking A, the INFORMATION ALREADY EXISTS.
19:52 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: offenders can change their names and move.
19:52 <@dc0de> Did you just read the scarlet letter or something?
19:53 <@dc0de> we should make all Gays register then too.
19:53 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: gays are criminal
19:53 <@dc0de> because they might make my children Gay.
19:53 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: didn't miss that... but considering a good percentage of them are there for having a girlfriend technically too young or because they pissed on their tire or in a alley, perhaps the recidivism rate is ... skewed for that particular area of reporting
19:53 <@Corydon76-dig> aren't criminal, rather
19:53 <@DigitalIrony> I don't think you can actually "inform the public" as there are to many, and everyone interprets everything the way they want to....
19:53 <@dc0de> Some Gays are criminal.. .so we should register them all.
19:53 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: I'm suggesting a registry for murderers and thieves
19:53 <@dc0de> your argument holds about the same merit.
19:54 <@dc0de> no, you said "FELONS"
19:54 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: all felons, yes
19:54 <@dc0de> those are people convicted of "felonies"
19:54 <@sdodson> Man, testing a problem that takes 20 minutes per iteration takes a long time even when you've got two test machines.
19:54 <@DigitalIrony> ^^^why you can't inform the public^^^^
19:54 <@dc0de> do you know that if you perform "forensics" on a computer system in the state of Georgia without a PI license, you have committed a "felony"?
19:55 <@coil> sdodson: maybe you should lrn2fedora
19:55 <@Corydon76-dig> If the crime is large enough to warrant stripping them of their voting rights, the public should know where they live, so they can be aware and adopt reasonable precautions
19:55 <@sdodson> coil: i need RHEL :(
19:55 <@dc0de> WTF? so someone who takes a disk image should be registered, by YOUR logic.
19:55 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: have you been convicted of a felony?
19:55 <@sdodson> Why not fix what's determined to be a felony?
19:56 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: No.
19:56 <@dc0de> but I have close personal friends who have...
19:56 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: then what's the big deal?
19:56 <@dc0de> because your idea is STUPID, and LACKS MERIT
19:56 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I thought the recidivism rates raised the merit
19:57 <@Corydon76-dig> the whole purpose of punishing a criminal is the idea that if you punish them severely enough, they'll learn not to do it again
19:57 <@dc0de> there's no proof that it will... in fact, I would say that ostricising those who want to return to society by FORCING them to Register, would cause them to fall back into the same behaviors that caused their arrests in the first place.
19:58 <@dc0de> punish them, yes, but NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:58 <@dc0de> that's what prison is supposed to be for.
19:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Existing registries have reduced recidivism, so I think extending it to more felonies may further reduce recidivism across the board
19:58 <@dc0de> bring back hard labor and chain gangs, and a fast lane for death penalties.
19:59 <@Corydon76-dig> But Texas has already proven that a death penalty does not reduce crime
19:59 <@dc0de> not weaker pussified laws, that put the general populous in harms way...
19:59 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: well, what you read about that and what I read about that are diametrically opposed.
19:59 <@dc0de> crime has dropped in texas...
19:59 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: you're already in harm's way, you just don't know it
20:00 <@dc0de> pffff, I know where EVERYONE around me is, who they are, and what they've been charged with.
20:00 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I'm not suggesting reducing sentences, just when they get out, they register for the rest of their lives
20:00 <@dc0de> it's a matter of public record... don't you "get it"
20:00 <@dc0de> fuck that...
20:00 <@dc0de> for the rest of their lives? are you insane?
20:00 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: what is a matter of public record?
20:00 <@dc0de> Their fucking crime?
20:00 <@dc0de> hello?
20:00 <@sdodson> coil: The fact that I'm the most awesomest!
20:00 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: so they change their name and move to a different city.  Now what?
20:01 <@dc0de> it's no different than if a sex offender changes their name and moves to a different city..
20:01 <@dc0de> wtf then? huh?
20:01 <@dc0de> what are you going to do? chip everyone? RFID FTW!!!
20:01 <@dc0de> get real.
20:01 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: sex offenders must still register
20:01 <@dc0de> "must" yeah
20:01 <@dc0de> and that's fuckin workin
20:01 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: failure to do so is a crime
20:01 <@sdodson> OMG what happens if they don't!?
20:01 <@dc0de> keep smokin that shit.
20:01 <@coil> sdodson: ?
20:02 <@dc0de> OMG, they're a CRIMINAL, who does ANOTHER CRIME!
20:02 <@dc0de> wow
20:02 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: they go back to prison
20:02 <@sdodson> Changing your name isn't a crime?
20:02 <@dc0de> that's NEVER happened before.
20:02 <@dc0de> Only AFTER they've done ANOTHER crime...
20:02 <@sdodson> coil: what'd you say?
20:02 <@dc0de> so that bullshit is closing the doors AFTER the horses have fled...
20:02 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: no, failure to register is a crime in itself
20:02 <@dc0de> no shit sherlock
20:02 <@Corydon76-dig> I still don't understand your objection
20:03 <@dc0de> do you think the cops have time to drive around and go door to door and check for unregistered sex offenders who have changed their names/
20:03 <@dc0de> ?
20:03 <@Corydon76-dig> No, but that's not the point
20:03 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: of course you don't, you obviously are missing how our criminal justice system actually works today.
20:03 <@dc0de> yes, it IS the point.
20:04 <@dc0de> tell me how this would work in YOUR WORLD.
20:04 <@Corydon76-dig> You're saying that because criminals evade laws, we shouldn't have laws.
20:04 <@coil> the point is cops are a big waste of time and money
20:04 <@rhia> again, the concept is flawed ... if they're that dangerous to society, DON'T LET THEM OUT.  Quit the whole early release lotto to "reduce over crowding" want to reduce over crowding? quit throng people in prison for smoking pot, peeing in public, etc ....
20:04 <@coil> so we should kill all the cops in the world because they dont do anything.
20:04 <@dc0de> a guy, get's caught drunk driving three times. and now is charged with a felony.
20:04 <@dc0de> he goes to jail.
20:04 <@dc0de> serves his time.
20:04 <@dc0de> get's out
20:04 <@dc0de> pays his fines
20:04 <@dc0de> goes to AA, get's sober, and rebuilds his life.
20:05 <@coil> then gets killed by a cop
20:05 <@dc0de> in your world, no matter where he goes, he has to "register" with someone...
20:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Correct
20:05 <@sdodson> coil: that never happens!
20:05 <@coil> sure it doesn't
20:05 <@dc0de> in the REAL FUCKING WORLD, after 7 years, his record is EX-Fucking-PUNGED.
20:05 <@dc0de> and he can go on with his life.
20:05 <@rhia> grand larceny is a felony ... middle aged sad accountant dude rips off his company, goes to prison for 15 yrs, gets out around retirement age ... am i really concerned about him living on my street??
20:06 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: you're smoking someone's crack.
20:06 <@dc0de> it's a bullshit law, with no merit.
20:06 <@rhia> it's a feel good stop gap that completely ignores the issue in order to make people feel that "somdbody is doing something"
20:06 <@dc0de> it actually sounds like something that GW Bush and Cheney thought up over a fat fucking joint.
20:07 <@rhia> doing the wrong thing isn't the same as doing the right thing to fix the damn problem in the first place
20:07 <@coil> mmm joint
20:07 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: I'm not sure how it's ignoring the issue
20:07 <@dc0de> I can't belive that you're backing something so Orwellian.
20:07 <@coil> dc0de: why do you associate drug usage with bad ideas?
20:07 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: I really thought you were smarter than that.
20:07 <@dc0de> coil: no...
20:07 <@dc0de> but when Bush and
20:07 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: The issue is that if a felon is living on my street, I'd like to know about it, even if he's completely reformed
20:07 <@dc0de> Cheney smoke one...
20:07 <@dc0de> it's a bad idea
20:07 <@coil> well you're saying that corydon smokes crack
20:08 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: then go knock on their doors and ASK them
20:08 <@dc0de> IF IT'S ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS, they'll tell you.
20:08 <@rhia> fix the problem, not the blame .... and if prison is, as you say, supposed to Increase the likelyhood of them not committing the same crime, how in hell is branding them with an X-Con tag For The Rest Of Their Lives supposed to help?
20:08 <@dc0de> if they committed the felony in the LAST 7 Years, it's on the books somewhere.
20:08 <@dc0de> pay for background checks for all your neighbors...
20:08 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: Most people are already branded with that tag for the rest of their lives
20:09 <@dc0de> but don't go bullying everyone because you're afraid of mistakes that someone made
20:09 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: limit to repeat violent offenders and your argument may have merit, then again, WTF are repeat, violent offenders doing back in society?
20:09 <@dc0de> fear is NOT a good reason to make laws.
20:09 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I'd consider a misdemeanor a mistake.
20:09 <@Corydon76-dig> A felony is a whole other ball of wax
20:09 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: then you're not even close enough to understanding the justice system to discuss it.
20:10 <@dc0de> go ask a policeman what he thinks of that idea.
20:10 <@Corydon76-dig> I will
20:10 <@dc0de> a felony is NOT another ball of wax...
20:10 <@Corydon76-dig> What I'm hearing from you is "You're not allowed to have an opinion"
20:10 <@dc0de> so, if I take an image of my wife's computer here in my house, in Georgia, for backup purposes.
20:10 <@dc0de> I'm committing a felony.
20:10 <@ware> YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION
20:11 <@ware> YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION
20:11 <@ware> YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION
20:11 <@dc0de> No Corydon76-dig, you don't KNOW WHAT A FELONY IS
20:11 <@coil> you're*
20:11 <@ware> YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION
20:11 <@ware> YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION
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20:11 <@dc0de> there are so many bullshit laws on the books today that can get you jailed for felonious <something>, it's crazy.
20:11 <@tzanger> dc0de: that's what they want
20:11 <@tzanger> everyone is a criminal
20:12 <@tzanger> they just exercise the laws (ahem) judiciously
20:12 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: branded, for those looking in the Already Existing Records, yes ... so what is making them register, again, supposed to be BUT another brand?
20:12 <@dc0de> and getting labeled with a "felony" (in your world), would mean for the rest of my life, I would have to register with someone because I used fucking Ghost.
20:12 <@DigitalIrony> well if it weren't for criminals alot of people wouldn't have jobs
20:12 <@dc0de> that's very true DigitalIrony
20:12 <@DigitalIrony> THATS why they make dumb laws
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20:12 <@ware> :(
20:12 <@DigitalIrony> to pay back into the system
20:12 <@dc0de> but of course, we should be fearful of those who commit misdemeanors, like a bounced check.
20:13 <@ware> sdodson is a felon
20:13 <@Corydon76-dig> DigitalIrony: not a really good argument.  Most cops would prefer not to have to have a job doing that
20:13 <@Dagmar> However, it's still mainly a matter of it being used as a tool to forment fascism
20:13 <@dc0de> fuck my wife went to jail over a bounced check...
20:13 <@Dagmar> s/forment/foment/;
20:13 <@DigitalIrony> Corydon76-dig: I think cops love being dicks
20:13 <@dc0de> so, she should be branded for the rest of her life? She stuck to her morals, and didn't pay the asshats who were ripping her off,
20:13 <@dc0de> and so, she went to jail for a night.
20:14 <@Dagmar> The system is set up to protect the rich, and only the rich.
20:14 <@Corydon76-dig> DigitalIrony: I suspect a minority
20:14 <@dc0de> and to court, and was cleared... but, she was charged with "Theft by taking".
20:14 <@dc0de> so, Corydon76-dig, could we live near you?
20:14 <@tzanger> ? what other kinds of theft are tehre?
20:14 <@DigitalIrony> Corydon76-dig: me? im white middle class, you know me
20:14 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I'm not saying you couldn't
20:14 <@dc0de> tzanger: in GA? i'll have to go check the blotter.
20:14 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: but she wasn't convicted
20:15 <@Dagmar> This is why we've got things like 400+ mortgage brokers being rounded up by the FBI in the first round of investigations, but discussion of bailouts of mortgage firms going on in Congress...
20:15 <@dc0de> oh, but my wife should "sign-in" before moving into the neighborhood?
20:15 <@Dagmar> ...but fuck all those people who're going to be homeless because their mortgage broker was crooked and set them up in a deal they knew they wouldn't be able to manage.
20:15 <@dc0de> so, how exactly would this new idea of your's help with the convicted illegal felons who come into our country?
20:15 <@tzanger> you go to jail for not writing a cheque? what happened to small claims court and them having to win?
20:15 <@dc0de> would it stop their rising crime rate?
20:16 <@Dagmar> tzanger: Stupider things have happened
20:16 <@DigitalIrony> I think the machine, has gotten to many parts, and to many checks and balances.
20:16 <@tzanger> Dagmar: agreed
20:16 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I never said it was a silver bullet
20:16 <@dc0de> tzanger: it was for $2800, and in GA that is not small claims.
20:16 <@tzanger> dc0de: ah
20:16 <@Dagmar> There was a girl on the Nashvillians LJ about a month ago who had been contacted by the Smyrna police because she had an arrest warrant out on her
20:16 <@Corydon76-dig> I never said it would eliminate crime
20:16 <@tzanger> still seems odd
20:16 <@dc0de> and if you cancel a check, and it subsiquently bounces, it's "theft by taking".
20:16 <@remoford> anyone know what sort of ram goes into a compaq portable?
20:16 <@Dagmar> ...for a check written to a pawn shop over two years ago by someone *not* her on a closed account.
20:16 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: it's not even close to being intelligent.
20:17 <@rhia> the sex offender registry, aka Megan's Law, came about because of a sick Killer who should have never been back on the streets.....
20:17 <@Dagmar> The Smyrna police were telling her the "best" thing to do would be to go down there and surrender herself.
20:17 <@dc0de> remoford: which one?
20:17 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: the idea is backed by evidence
20:17 <@DigitalIrony> I think in general there are too many people trying to say what should and shouldn't be and no one wants to work towards a compromise
20:17 <@remoford> dc0de: the original i think
20:17 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: bullshit.
20:17 <@tzanger> whoa, cool, variable muzzle speed guns on /.
20:17 <@Dagmar> DigitalIrony: "Compromise" only has meaning when the other side has a rational goal in mind
20:17 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: so you're saying sex offenders don't have a lower rate of recidivism?
20:17 <@remoford> dc0de: it wont post due to bad ram, otherwise its a nice box with a hard card and everything
20:17 <@Dagmar> You don't compromise with a serial killer.
20:17 <@rhia> a lot of people have had their entire rest of their Lives ruined because of having to register as a "sex offender" for whipping out their dick "in public" to pee in a corner
20:17 <@Dagmar> "Oh you can stab me, but only in non-vital organs."
20:18 <@DigitalIrony> Dagmar: I'm not refferring
20:18 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: because that is a matter of public record
20:18 <@DigitalIrony> Dagmar: I'm not referring to criminals, im talking about the US
20:18 <@Dagmar> DigitalIrony: So am I
20:18 <@DigitalIrony> Dagmar: then we aggree
20:18 <@dc0de> sex offender registry's are full of people who aren't "Sex Offenders" so of course there's a "low rate of recidivism", they weren't "Sex Offenders" in the first place... Don't you get it?
20:19 <@rhia> HOW is that making society safer?  esp if they can't get decent employment, or decent housing, for the Rest of Their Lives due to having to compulsively register everytime they move?
20:19 <@sdodson> remoford: look it up on crucial.com based on model
20:19 <@dc0de> for peeing on a bush.
20:19 <@dc0de> or showing their tits on panama city beach.
20:19 <@dc0de> I mean, really.
20:20 <@rhia> dc0de: we're repeating each other.... you can have this one.... i'm going off to eat while i still have an appetite
20:20 <@DigitalIrony> I think tits should be decriminalized
20:20 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: the rates are broken down, by offense
20:20 <@tzanger> DigitalIrony: only the pretty ones
20:20 <@dc0de> oh? and where is this magical bullshit data?
20:20  * DigitalIrony agrees
20:20 <@dc0de> and who put it together?
20:20 <@dc0de> rhia: I'm about sick of it too...
20:21 <@dc0de> enjoy your dinner.
20:21 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: Hang on, I'm reading some of them now
20:21 <@remoford> sdodson: you realize im talking about a computer from 1983?
20:21 <@dc0de> I think that Everyone should register for everything... that'll keep everyone from committing a crime in the first place... yeah, Pre-registration for criminal acts... it's even better than Corydon76-dig's Idea.
20:22 <@DigitalIrony> fuck that
20:22 <@sdodson> remoford: No, I wasn't aware of that.
20:22 <@Dagmar> We could just make it simpler and have people be presumed guilty
20:22 <@DigitalIrony> I'm pretty sure its one of the natural rights is privacy
20:22 <@dc0de> I think that we should all give up our fingerprints, footprints, palmprints, DNA, and that way, we'll make it easier to catch those who break laws!!!
20:22 <@sdodson> privacy is implied at best
20:22 <@DigitalIrony> where safety of the public is not concerned
20:22 <@dc0de> Think about it Dagmar! the Ultimate Utopia
20:22 <@Dagmar> Yes exactly
20:23 <@dc0de> OOh, and a better idea, let's give this data to our government, to keep it safe, and to keep us from harm.
20:23 <@DigitalIrony> great idea
20:23 <@Dagmar> And we certainly don't have to worry about anyone abusing priviledged access to this information to frame political or social enemies
20:23 <@Dagmar> No one's EVER done that
20:23 <@DigitalIrony> they keep us from harm with their magic of the burning bush
20:23 <@DigitalIrony> pun ment
20:23 <@dc0de> Of course not! Because it's the Government, and they want to HELP US
20:23 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/rsorp94pr.htm
20:24 <@dc0de> 43% of sex offenders were rearrested for various offenses
20:24 <@dc0de> sorry, that's not a LOW RATE
20:25 <@Corydon76-dig> versus 68% for other offenders
20:25 <@DigitalIrony> who in here is a sex offender? and why is this even being discussed for so long?
20:25 <@dc0de> but of course when you compare it to other criminals... gee
20:25 <@Dagmar> Certianlly not the FBI, certainly not the Secret Service or the CIA, and absolutely definitely never ever the President
20:25 <@dc0de> Never, no...
20:25 <@Corydon76-dig> DigitalIrony: I proposed having other felons register, just like sex offenders
20:25 <@DigitalIrony> Ahh
20:25 <@dc0de> you think that will work?
20:25 <@Corydon76-dig> DigitalIrony: and dc0de got very offended at the idea
20:26 <@dc0de> you really think the reason that there is a difference is due to the Megan's Law registry?
20:26 <@DigitalIrony> Corydon76-dig: Well you make a good point, but I think its a waste of resources, something else that won't work.
20:26 <@rhia> hell, I'm offended at the registration of the offenders we already have in place
20:26 <@DigitalIrony> it will cost more than it saves
20:26 <@dc0de> do you know how many sex offenders are out there NOW that are UNREGISTERED?
20:26 <@DigitalIrony> but what do i matter?
20:26 <@dc0de> far more than ARE registered.
20:26 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: No, I don't.  However, it's a minority in Nashville
20:27 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I've actually gone and LOOKED at the registry recently
20:27 <@dc0de> wow, then pass that law in Nashville... quick
20:27 <@rhia> <repeat>  the sex offender registry, aka Megan's Law, came about because of a sick Killer who should have never been back on the streets.....
20:27 <@dc0de> oh, of course, it shows those people who have changed their names and moved to Nashville from other states, right?
20:27 <@DigitalIrony> noted
20:27 <@dc0de> the ones that haven't registered?
20:27 <@rhia> a predator will not stop being a predator just because they have to register their address
20:27 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: Where have I said that this was a silver bullet?
20:27 <@DigitalIrony> if they haven't registered and they can change their names, who can really say the stats on that?
20:28 <@dc0de> because if a sex offender wants to RE OFFEND, they just DON'T register, get it?
20:28 <@DigitalIrony> your arguing in circles stop it
20:28 <@dc0de> it's stupid.
20:28 <@dc0de> DigitalIrony: no, because there's no NATIONAL registry. because it's unconstitutional to have a National registry of sex offenders... only the states can legislate it.
20:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Conclusion.  Laws don't work.  They should all be eliminated.
20:28 <@rhia> it just makes those who Aren't predators, but fell into the "sex offender" category stuck with dead end jobs and bad neighborhoods, constantly watching their backs, for the rest of their lives
20:29 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: no, stupid laws don't work, don't waste the taxpayers dollars on them.
20:29 <@dc0de> beef up the existing laws, and make the first time offender PAY for his crime by doing MORE and HARDER time...
20:29 <@DigitalIrony> circles i say
20:29 <@rhia> it doesn't keep the predators from continuing the hunt
20:29 <@dc0de> don't release those who SHOULD'NT be released back into society.
20:29 <@Corydon76-dig> There's at least one person in the country who, for each law on the books, finds the law stupid
20:30 <@rhia> dc0de: amen
20:30 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: are you reading what I just wrote?
20:30 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: our prisons would be full
20:30 <@Dagmar> I don't think we have that many peeople in the US actually
20:30 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: yes, you're the almighty thinker, what laws you think are stupid should be repealed, post haste
20:30 <@dc0de> DigitalIrony: because we have a messed up system... fix the system, fix the prison problem.
20:30 <@rhia> if the really dangerous aren't released, then there's no reason for a registry, we KNOW where they are, in a concrete cage
20:31 <@dc0de> I never said that any existing laws should be repealed.
20:31 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: i agree, but i can't fix it, and if you can do it.
20:31 <@dc0de> I said, toughen the laws.
20:31 <@dc0de> DigitalIrony: if you can't fix it, then who will?
20:31 <@dc0de> I thought it was "For the people, by the people" myself.
20:31 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: that's my point
20:31 <@rhia> DigitalIrony: quit making pot smoking/ownership a felony, be surprised how many concrete cages would free up
20:31 <@dc0de> I do write to my congressmen, senators and president
20:32 <@DigitalIrony> rhia: i never said anything about pot?\
20:32 <@Dagmar> "For rich people, by rich people"
20:32 <@dc0de> rhia: I agree, in states where it is a misdemeanor, the prisons aren't full of that crap.
20:32 <@rhia> DigitalIrony: you mentioned prison overcrowding
20:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll write my president when the country actually has one
20:32 <@sdodson> damn right, down with the pleebs
20:32 <@DigitalIrony> rhia: and that is a problem
20:32 <@rhia> DigitalIrony: i gave one way to help reduce that
20:32 <@DigitalIrony> rhia: its a good one
20:32 <@dc0de> oh, so Corydon76-dig, now you are choosing to ignore the problem, and not write the powers that be, for what reason? You don't like them?
20:33 <@DigitalIrony> rhia: but its also spoken alot about
20:33 <@rhia> DigitalIrony: and still not happening
20:33 <@DigitalIrony> rhia: but its not just pot it's also other bad narcotics
20:33 <@dc0de> I don't like them either, but they are in charge, and have a responsiblity to do what "We the people" ask them to do,
20:33 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: oh, please.  You think a congresscritter or Bush have seen even the edge of the letter that you've written?
20:33 <@dc0de> and if you give up, and act defeated, then you may as well shut up.
20:33 <@sdodson> Same as giving up all our freedoms to fight terrorism.
20:34 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: its simple.....the only way to win is not to play
20:34 <@sdodson> Terrorists don't want to kill people, that's just the side effect.
20:34 <@dc0de> DigitalIrony: actually, that's the only way to guarantee to lose.
20:34 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: not really
20:34 <@rhia> lessee, who would i rather have on my street?  a pot head buying out all the munchies at the corner store or a violent repeat offender?  Hmmm... which one should they release early?
20:34 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: thats an old movie reference btw.
20:35 <@dc0de> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5273/is_200508/ai_n20847984
20:35 <@dc0de> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmusa/is_200607/ai_n16550430?tag=rel.res5
20:36 <@dc0de> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Baltimore_police_seek_sex_offender_for_failure_to_register
20:36 <@DigitalIrony> dc0de: My point is, if everyone would actually do something instead of arguing all the time....what happened tot he 60's when people got shot on campus for rioting
20:36 <@DigitalIrony> people don't do that anymore
20:36 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: I cited a study, and you're citing news articles?
20:36 <@dc0de> i agree, we need more public shootings
20:36 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: you cited the DOJ... not a "study".
20:37 <@DigitalIrony> if women were to go outside right now and burn their bra's for the right to vote or own land, then people would be like wtf we don't care burn it
20:37 <@dc0de> Sorry, BOJ
20:37 <@Dagmar> Some people would be shouting "SHOW US YER HOOTERS!"
20:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Bureau of Justice Statistics
20:37 <@dc0de> because our Justice system has all the facts.
20:37 <@DigitalIrony> EXACTLY
20:37 <@dc0de> BOJ...
20:37 <@dc0de> like I said.
20:38 <@dc0de> what they have, Corydon76-dig, is the data around those criminals that they have CAUGHT.
20:38 <@rhia> and, um, in the article posted earlier, where is the demarcation between the college junior that had sex with that hot 18 yr old who was on campus at his frat party, only to find out, when her parents pressed charges that she was actually a week shy of 17 - and the 35 yr old guy that climbs into windows and rapes women in the middle of the night?
20:38 <@DigitalIrony> people are just being too logical about shit these days not taking action
20:38 <@DigitalIrony> no one wants to die for a dumb cause
20:38 <@DigitalIrony> and they all seem to be dumb to someone
20:38 <@tzanger> rhia: sounds a lot like this zero tolerance bullshit everyone loves
20:39 <@rhia> they're BOTH "men who had committed rape or sexual assault"   ... so, how many of those college kids would be likely to "repeat" their offense?
20:39 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: TN makes the distinction, actually
20:40 <@dc0de> I think we should simply start killing jaywalkers... because it's a "gateway" crime... Statistics show, that people who jaywalk and get away with it, go on to an escalating life of crime... up to and including murder in the first degree.
20:40 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: I believe GA does, too
20:40 <@dc0de> so, we should simply kill them the first time, and be done with it.
20:40 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: in the article you cited?
20:40 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: Georgia DOES NOT.
20:40 <@DigitalIrony> natural selection no longer seems to be favoring humanity in a good way.....
20:40 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: The specific law is TN Statute 39-13-506
20:40 <@dc0de> nor does florida, alabama, south carolina, texas
20:41 <@Corydon76-dig> In Georgia and Alabama, age of consent is 16
20:41 <@rhia> and even if just ONE state DOESN'T that enough to both skew the statistics and skewer the argument
20:41 <@dc0de> DigitalIrony: this is the "OMG, how can we make the whole country like the city!"
20:41 <@Corydon76-dig> So 17 and 19 isn't a problem
20:41 <@dc0de> Connecticut doesn't distinquish
20:41 <@Dagmar> Only if they have penetration sex
20:41 <@rhia> what if she was a week away from 16, then??
20:41 <@Dagmar> If it's just oral, then it's rape.
20:41 <@dc0de> and the age of consent in Georgia is 14, but there's a 5yr rule as well.
20:41 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: in most states, the demarcation is a difference of less than 4 years
20:42 <@Dagmar> By the way, getting caught shagging yer girl in the back of a car gets you *guess what* charge
20:42 <@dc0de> yeah, because no, only means no, if you're 4 years apart in age.
20:42 <@DigitalIrony> Generation Y fucked everything up
20:42 <@dc0de> indeed DigitalIrony
20:42 <@rhia> make the frat boy 21, the girl not quite 16, still dressed up like she's 22, still on campus, still at the frat party, still passing herself off as much older, especially through beer goggles
20:42 <@dc0de> and still spreading her legs.
20:43 <@DigitalIrony> its the guys fault
20:43 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: then the guy is screwed
20:43 <@dc0de> and he get's the "Scarlet Letter" A for the rest of his life..
20:43 <@DigitalIrony> he should have checked ID
20:43 <@dc0de> how nice...
20:43 <@DigitalIrony> lol
20:43 <@dc0de> DigitalIrony: of course, all frat boys know how to spot a fake id...
20:43 <@tzanger> heh
20:43 <@dc0de> it's part of rush week training...
20:43 <@DigitalIrony> "excuse....I have a condom...but do you have an ID"
20:43 <@DigitalIrony> "oh this says your 22....looks real enough"
20:43 <@rhia> reiterated:  and even if just ONE state DOESN'T make the destinction between the frat boy and the wondow rapist, that is enough to both skew the statistics and skewer the argument
20:44 <@dc0de> rhia: but in Nashville.....
20:44 <@rhia> window... rented fingers
20:45 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: but, he's a lot less likely to repeat his "sex offense" hence his having to register the rest of his life under Megan's Law MUST be the reason, right?
20:45 <@dc0de> I've known people here in GA that have cried rape, just to get back at someone, and the mess that puts them, their family, and the courts through, because of the whole "Sex Offender" bullshit is crazy.
20:45 <@DigitalIrony> what about that article i read on the net somewhere about google and youtube having to give users accounts to a case
20:45 <@dc0de> rhia: of course it it...
20:45 <@DigitalIrony> thats BS
20:45 <@dc0de> *is*
20:45 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: I don't know, actually
20:45 <@rhia> dc0de: oh, indubitably...
20:45 <@dc0de> Zero tolerance is just that...
20:46 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: Clearly dc0de is 100% sure that it has no effect
20:46 <@DigitalIrony> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9983702-7.html
20:46 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: drive out on a road at night, you have to pee, and you stop... look around, there's no traffic, and you whip it out, and relieve yourself...
20:46 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: and we all know that if dc0de says so, it must be the case
20:46 <@dc0de> now you notice that a cop is sitting in a darkened car 100 ft away, off the road and he spotlights you...
20:46 <@dc0de> bam, you're a sex offender.
20:46 <@rhia> oh, please.... dc0de and I disagree at least, if not more, than we agree most of the time
20:47 <@dc0de> yeah, like rhia's a bitch and all...
20:47 <@DigitalIrony> what if you pull over and piss in a bottle inside your vehicle
20:47 <@rhia> dc0de: well, we agree on that one
20:47 <@DigitalIrony> and the cop sees you
20:47 <@DigitalIrony> then he is a peeping tom?
20:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Personally, I would find a gas station
20:47 <@DigitalIrony> what if you have sex with your wife infront of your windows while the curtains are open
20:48 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: and if you can't find a gas station?
20:48 <@dc0de> You've obviously never driven in east texas.
20:48 <@DigitalIrony> piss in a beer bottle
20:48 <@Corydon76-dig> I have no plans on being anywhere near east Texas
20:48 <@sdodson> Drink the beer first though
20:48 <@dc0de> Open container... no no, that's a felony
20:48 <@DigitalIrony> its only an open container if it contains
20:48 <@dc0de> oh, so the laws are good for those who have rest rooms nearby.
20:49 <@DigitalIrony> if its empty or no alcohol its not an open container
20:49 <@dc0de> and the rest of the country just has to catch up to nashville then.
20:49 <@remoford> the correct answer is to just piss directly on your floorboards
20:49 <@DigitalIrony> what if you piss out the window while pulled over
20:49 <@dc0de> remoford: sorry, I'm finding a bush.. tree, or other local to urinate in...
20:49 < AstralSin> DigitalIrony: if you're peeing in a bottle, its technically more like public nudity but you'd never get charged i don't think.  actually, if you have sex with your wife in front of open windows, that would be considered a public lewd act and you could be charged for it, at least in my area
20:49 <@dc0de> pubic urination used to be a misdemeanor... until Megans Law.
20:49 < AstralSin> but i think the window thing would depend on the city/county/state laws
20:50 <@sdodson> When I read things that start out "Technically..." I just mentally say "What follows is complete bullshit..."
20:50 <@dc0de> AstralSin: i think that's now pretty much across the board.
20:50 <@sdodson> Same with "Virtually..."
20:50 < AstralSin> sdodson: technically, you're a genius
20:50 <@remoford> is it a sex crime to hijack news channel 5 with hardcore porn starring youself?
20:50 < AstralSin> remoford: depends on who you are
20:50 <@DigitalIrony> not if your rich and white
20:51 < AstralSin> me? no.  you? yes.
20:51 <@dc0de> there was a case here in GA last year about that, and the couple got branded Sex Offenders for not closing their curtains 100%, and some adult saw it and was offended, because a child (who never saw it) COULD have seen it.
20:51 <@dc0de> oh, and they were rich and white.
20:51 <@DigitalIrony> im pretty sure, that one of the britney spears club has done that
20:51 < AstralSin> dc0de: if that was me, i woulda just got a little closer and started spankin it
20:51 <@DigitalIrony> with all their crotch flashing
20:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Good, finally, some rich bastards are charged
20:51 <@remoford> well
20:51 <@remoford> to brineys and friends defense
20:51 < AstralSin> maybe knocked on the door and ask to join in
20:52 <@remoford> youd crotch shot the world a few times too if you have 24/7 cameras after you
20:52 <@remoford> i know i would
20:52 <@remoford> altho i finally did throw away that one pair of jeans
20:52 <@DigitalIrony> well thats public nudity
20:52 <@DigitalIrony> and everyone wants to see it
20:52 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: oh, yeah, so bullshit laws are good if people who save their money, work hard, and provide 80% of the taxes in their community, are charged with them?
20:52 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: absolutely
20:52 <@DigitalIrony> but even though there is evidence none of them get charged
20:53 <@dc0de> I see... so you're simply a liberal who is embittered because you fail at finances.
20:53 <@remoford> DigitalIrony: intent?
20:53 <@remoford> dc0de: thats now fair
20:53 <@remoford> there are plenty of poor republicans
20:53 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: Yes, you almighty thinker, you know everything, I bow before your magnificence
20:53 <@DigitalIrony> remoford: i don't think people pissing in public intended to be nude in public...but the call of nature did....
20:54 <@remoford> what if you are using one of those pass the drug test fake dicks?
20:54 < AstralSin> i've been in the truck with a dude that pissed at a crowded gas station by hiding behind his door while pumping gas
20:54 < AstralSin> needless to say, he got a stern talking to because i was still in the car
20:54  * rhia runs off to patent a fold out penis cover for pissing in public w/o showing any skin
20:54 <@DigitalIrony> AstralSin: thats when your supposed to start driving
20:55 <@dc0de> rhia: Dammit! That's my idea!
20:55 < AstralSin> hah
20:55 <@rhia> dc0de: too late! muhahaha
20:55 <@remoford> its really hard to drive and piss out the window
20:55 <@dc0de> actually, they already have one... it's an external catheter
20:55 <@remoford> at least for me
20:55 <@rhia> dc0de: mine idea is for something more, external
20:55 <@DigitalIrony> heh
20:55 <@DigitalIrony> speaking of fake dicks
20:56 <@DigitalIrony> http://www.ubersite.com/m/54469
20:56 <@DigitalIrony> that kind of relates to that
20:56 < AstralSin> im not clicking that
20:56 <@DigitalIrony> and is the funniest thing i think i ever read
20:56 <@dc0de> well, they sell these on Bourbon street, so you can drink, piss down a tube and fill the streets with Urine!  Yay Mardi-Gras!
20:56 <@DigitalIrony> its a story no pictures
20:57 <@Mirage> On a school trip to Florida back in like '86 our bus was passed by a converible caddy driven by a guy who was totally nude.   That was actually fairly amusing
20:57 <@rhia> dc0de: well, NOLA Does have to keep up their mystique, sights, sounds, foods, Smells, puddles, ....
20:57 <@dc0de> Mirage: does it still haunt you?
20:57 <@juice> Mirage, lol
20:57 <@dc0de> rhia: it stinks now!
20:57 <@DigitalIrony> is wearing see through clothing in public nudity?
20:57 <@juice> dc0de, marked his territory
20:57 <@Mirage> dc0de: oh, yeah..I wake up at night drenched in sweat thinking about it
20:57 <@dc0de> then masturbate?
20:58 <@Mirage> damnit, who told you?
20:58 <@dc0de> well, your webcam, actually...
20:58 <@juice> man Mirage must be doing 1 handed typing
20:58  * dc0de shudders at the memory
20:59 <@dc0de> anyone have any video of Mirage spackling his sheets?
20:59 <@dc0de> anyone wanna buy some?
21:00 <@DigitalIrony> ^^ felony?
21:00 <@dc0de> doh!
21:01  * dc0de runs off to register in Nashville...
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21:12 <@rhia> heh... just came across this and seemed rather appropriate considering the previous convo:
21:12 <@rhia> now, would having to register his offenses stop this guy from repeating said offenses any better than what regular citizens, without using those awful murderous guns, did?
21:12 <@rhia> http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/11/theyre-so-stupid.html
21:13 < AstralSin> guns don't kill people
21:13 < AstralSin> bullets do
21:14 <@DigitalIrony> you can pistol whip some one today
21:14 <@rhia> AstralSin: not all of them, not even most, typically only those moving at high velocity towards someone
21:14 <@DigitalIrony> you can pistol whip some one and kill them i mean
21:14 < AstralSin> ah, touche
21:14 < AstralSin> DigitalIrony: even then, its not the gun doing it, its the arm
21:14 <@DigitalIrony> what if you do it without the gun
21:15 <@dc0de> heh... rhia that's hilarious...
21:15 < AstralSin> just takes longer
21:15 <@dc0de> I'm sure that everyone getting their property back would have been charged with a felony... something like a "hate crime"... because they terrified the poor guy...
21:15 <@DigitalIrony> well if there is a variable and you can get the same outcome without the variable one would thing that the variable could be determined the cause
21:16 <@rhia> dc0de: his stories are nearly legendary .... the mongoose and the python had me in tears
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21:16 <@dc0de> I've read a few.
21:20 <@sdodson> whose stories?
21:23 <@aestetix> god
21:23 <@aestetix> I just woke up
21:25 <@DigitalIrony> heh
21:25 <@DigitalIrony> me too kinda
21:40 <@coil> how does a power supply test good with a tester but doesn't work in a system?
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21:42 <@rhia> sdodson: lawdog's stories, see my link above
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21:43 <@rhia> also search his blog for parts one and two of "squeaks snakes"
21:43 <@DigitalIrony> coil: bad connections
21:44 <@DigitalIrony> coil: bad or missing pins
21:44 <@Dagmar> coil: shitty tester or broken motherboard
21:44 <@Dagmar> It's pretty simple
21:44 <@coil> mother board worked with a diff power supply
21:44 <@DigitalIrony> coil: is it an ata power supply?
21:44 <@coil> the tester turned on the ps
21:44 <@coil> no DigitalIrony atx 24
21:44 <@DigitalIrony> i mean atx
21:44 <@DigitalIrony> :P
21:44 <@DigitalIrony> is it an atx mobo?
21:45 <@coil> ya..
21:45 <@coil> well matx
21:45 <@DigitalIrony> lick the end of the mobo power cable
21:45 <@coil> nah
21:45 <@coil> they were both power supplies that come in hp/compaq that tested good
21:46 <@DigitalIrony> coil: maybe the cable has a bad end on it?
21:46 <@coil> both bad
21:46 <@coil> two diff comps
21:46 <@DigitalIrony> coil: bring it to me i'll fix it
21:47 <@coil> i've already fixed them
21:47 <@coil> this was earlyer
21:47 <@DigitalIrony> oh
21:47 <@coil> but what the fuck
21:47 <@DigitalIrony> then what was the problem?
21:47 <@DigitalIrony> bad connector?
21:48 <@coil> hp/compaq power supplies suck
21:48 <@DigitalIrony> yeah
21:48 <@coil> whatever they are
21:48 <@DigitalIrony> i guess
21:48 <@coil> it starts with a b
21:48 <@DigitalIrony> that narrows it
21:56 <@tzanger> battery?
21:56 <+MxZBot> battery is dead again
21:57 <@coil> no
21:58 <@tzanger> there aren't many electronic components that start with 'b'
21:58 <@coil> no tzanger
21:58 <@coil> im talking about a brand of power supplies
21:58 <@ware> bujetto
21:58 <@coil> made specifically for hp compaq
22:01 <@tzanger> oh
22:01 <@sdodson> I hate people that go "FAIL!!!"  That annoys me greatly.
22:01 <@coil> fail
22:01 <@ware> fail.
22:02 <@Dagmar> FAIL!!!
22:02 <@Dagmar> \Pussies.
22:02 <@coil> sdodson: write a book about it
22:02 <@ware> lol
22:02  * ware is gonna play some call of duty 4 then sreep
22:03 <@coil> kbai
22:03 <@ware> bai
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22:27 <@someninjamaster> sup wizardpc
22:29 <@juice> sdodson, true
22:36 <@wizardpc> in stl
22:37 <@wizardpc> bout KILLED a geico agent today
22:40 <@rhia> lizard didn't save you money on your car issurance?
22:44 <@someninjamaster> is this a figurtivly or literal
22:44 <@wizardpc> went through the online quote process, entered info for me and my wife
22:44 <@sdodson> Hooray, my cat has started pawing at my TV. If that fucker pierces the lcd he's fucking gone.
22:44 <@wizardpc> including her 2 tickets
22:45 <@wizardpc> get a quote of $650
22:45 <@coil> ware
22:45 <@coil> http://stonermoments.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=509
22:45 <@coil> just about every image on your gallery has spam coments
22:45 <@coil> lol
22:46 <@wizardpc> go to BUY the policy, enter checking account info...
22:46 <@coil> everyone look at it and point and laugh
22:46 <@coil> at ware
22:46 <@wizardpc> then it pops up "We've adjusted your quote"
22:46 <@wizardpc> to $710
22:47 <@coil> lol
22:47 <@Dagmar> wizardpc: Any explanation as to why the quote suddenly changes when you offer to buy it?
22:47 <@wizardpc> so I haave them call me, and I get this girl on the phone to splain it to me
22:48 <@wizardpc> "oh, your wife has 2 violations. That's why the quote went up"
22:48  * wizardpc screams
22:48 <@someninjamaster> doh
22:49 <@coil> hi
22:49 <@Dagmar> So, did you ask them "How is that a quote then?"
22:49 <@wizardpc> so I ask her why THE FUCK do they ask me about violations if they don't take them into consideration until it's time to pay
22:50 <@wizardpc> "we dont check the driving record until the very end"
22:50 <@wizardpc> right, but I ALREADY TOLD YOU ABOUT THE DAMNED TICKETS
22:51 <@wizardpc> I was yelling into my phone in the middle of the client site
22:52 <@wizardpc> which, fortunately, is a collections center so vulgar language being screamed into a phone is not all that uncommon
22:56 <@wizardpc> and the reason I was looking at geico in the first place was because I ran into this same thing wih my normal insurance agent
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23:35 <@Catonic> sup
23:37 <@DigitalIrony> sup
23:38 <@coil> sup
23:40 <@Catonic> I am a dirty, worthless terrorist. And a hungry one.
23:40 <@Catonic> I managed to fly into and out of NYC with something in my luggage that I'm not supposed to fly with.
23:41 <@Catonic> The more frustrating part is that if I had wanted to eat my MRE food, I would have had to get the baggage handlers to dig my suitcase out of the luggage lines to pull out my MRE, even though I'd have had to eat it cold.
23:41 <@Catonic> fucking 3 oz ban on liquids...
23:41 <@coil> lol
23:42 <@Catonic> serving size of the entree is 8 oz, nevermind it's sealed in a foil lined pouch...
23:42 <@Catonic> thus assuring that you can't tell the difference between ArmyIssueFood(tm) and TerroristExplosives(tm).
23:42 <@coil> o
23:43 <@Catonic> however... as dc0de and any ex-military person would confirm, there is no difference between the two after you have started to digest them... except the explosives are probably much quieter leaving your bowels.
23:44 <@Catonic> xrays + foil = dark objects..
23:44 <@Catonic> flameless heater + water = H2S
23:45 <@Catonic> yet another winner...
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23:45 <@ShadowHntr> lol
23:59 <@sdodson> I doubt a flameless heater is something they'd want on a plane.
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