--- Log opened Mon Jul 14 00:00:53 2008
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00:32 <@rattle> d000d!  th1s s1t3 1z r4d!  eye 1z s0 s3cur3 n0w.  http://sshkeygen.com/
00:32 <@rattle> g00d k3yz.
01:00 <+eryc> o_O
03:40 <@Jagobah> !
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06:49 <@aestetix> ugh
06:50 <@Shadow404> wtf
06:50 <@Shadow404> go smoke some green and turn that ugh into a yippie
06:50 <@aestetix> the server I did all my work on last night seems to be down
06:56 <@aestetix> Shadow404: did you see this DNS shit?
06:56 <@aestetix> A good friend of mine who knows Dan well called me last night.
06:56 <@aestetix> Specifically said to pay close attention to this
06:58 <@Shadow404> yeah, i did
06:58 <@Shadow404> our soc patched it within a few hours of that release
06:58 <@aestetix> I really want to find out the details of it.
06:58 <@aestetix> He's not telling anyone though.
06:59 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDKw8ny6IcM
06:59 <@aestetix> I cannot believe I just saw that. That is the funniest exploit announcement I have ever seen.
07:00 <@Shadow404> its basically ns posioning
07:00 <@Shadow404> with a twist
07:00 <@aestetix> Uh.
07:01 <@aestetix> From what I understand, it is a flaw with the protocol.
07:01 <@aestetix> All I know is everyone who finds out the technical details immediately goes "holy shit!"
07:02 <@Shadow404> yeah, script kiddies are going crazy
07:06 <@sdodson> i thought Shadow404 was a script kiddie?
07:11 <@aestetix> she is
07:12 <@Shadow404> wow, you so funny, you funny man, you make joke and i no laugh
07:13 <@sdodson> aestetix: what's her answer to the non geeks question? "Only if you <mumble> a website" ?
07:14 <@aestetix> I respond that the website doesn't put out unless you buy it an expensive dinner
07:15 <@sdodson> Shadow404: did you see this handy site that rattle posted? You should use it. http://sshkeygen.com/
07:18 <@rattle> That's one hell of a service they provide there...
07:19 <@Shadow404> wow, thats um, scary
07:19 <@sdodson> So, I imagine it has to do with the fact that DNS operates over UDP rather than TCP or something along those lines.
07:19 <@Shadow404> sdodson: so how many hacked ssh shells do u have now?
07:20 <@sdodson> At the same time that patches for the bind servers went out additional chanages to UDP port selection went into Linux and people are advising to use those in addition to the dns patches.
07:21 <@sdodson> Does UDP have sequence ids or whatever that make TCP harder to hijack?
07:31 <@Shadow404> udp is connections, so tcp requires a session
07:31 <@Shadow404> you can require authorization to mantain a session
07:31 <@Shadow404> also sessions are alot harder to MIM than udp
07:32 <@Shadow404> *udp is connectionless
07:32 <@Shadow404> probably didnt use the right terminology, but you get the idea
07:45 <@brimstone> i don't, i need a picture
07:46  * I-MOD pictures brimstone 
07:47 <@I-MOD> unce
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07:51 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and cave h0ez!
07:51  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:51 <@Dolemite> We thought about you this weekend, aestetix...
07:52 <@Dolemite> right about the time we were peering down into the bottomless pit
07:52 <@Shadow404> heh
08:01 <@Dolemite> The NotKids picked the wrong weeks to come visit NotLarry at work...   this week is cheerleader camp on campus.
08:03 <@Shadow404> i think that was planned
08:05 <@ware> !!!!
08:06 <@ware> Dolemite: can i come eat on campus for lunch?
08:06 <@ware> lol
08:06 <@Shadow404> can you keep from drooling everywhere?
08:06 <@Dolemite> I've seen more panties already this morning than factory worker at Fruit of the Loom.
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08:07 <@aestetix> wow that's sad
08:08 <@aestetix> So... I'm watching this college lecture, and there's a bunch of noise and they set up.
08:08 <@aestetix> And I was thinking "that sounds like drum n bass"
08:11 <@ware> Dolemite: whats the link to that cam that views the grassy quad?
08:11 <@Shadow404> thats a geocache
08:12 <@Shadow404> you have to take a picture in front of that cam
08:12 <@Dolemite> webcams.vanderbilt.edu
08:12 <@Shadow404> via the browser of you holding a gps
08:12 <@ware> cool
08:12 <@Shadow404> let me see i can find it
08:15 <@Shadow404> there we go
08:15 <@Shadow404> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b8ebbd01-2818-4f2b-9cc5-ef31f68d9ee7&log=y&decrypt=
08:15 <@Dolemite> ~minilink
08:15 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/geocaching.com/6WxEz.aspx
08:15 <@Dolemite> lrn2shrinkurls
08:15 <@Shadow404> the bot does it
08:16 <@Shadow404> or it use to detect them
08:16 <@Shadow404> oh well
08:16 <@Shadow404> and here is my log pic of dcode and i
08:16 <@Shadow404> http://tinyurl.com/6gqjhu
08:19 <@ware> neat
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08:50 <@oddball> It's always a good sign when I come in on a monday morning to discover that the domain controller didn't come back up properly after it's weekly reboot.
08:51 <@ware> m$hax
08:52 <@oddball> yeah
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09:11 <@ware> http://nashville.craigslist.org/ele/753571065.html
09:11 <@ware> !
09:13 <@oddball> shouldn't this person have tried it at the store?
09:14 <@Evilpig> oddball: why would you reboot your domain controller weekly?
09:14 <@Dolemite> Because it is running on Windows!
09:15 <@Evilpig> I don't reboot my domain controllers weekly. :P
09:15 <@ware> WOOT!
09:15 <@ware> just got a check for $560
09:16  * ware does the magic dance in his magic pants
09:16 <@Dolemite> Keep your magic hands out of your magic pants
09:16 <@ware> but if i woulda charged em $100/hr it would have been a $700 check
09:17 <@ware> guess i can cash it and go get an iphone today
09:17 <@oddball> Evilpig: sorry, not weekly, but regularly scheduled windows update/reboot
09:21 <@Evilpig> windows updates are evil.  just say no
09:22 <@oddball> yeah, well...
09:25 <+eryc> morning pigs
09:26  * eryc sets up the slop tank
09:26 <+eryc> comen getit!
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09:32 < Goat22> hola
09:33 <@ware> eryc: what do you do?
09:33 <@ware> careerwise
09:35 < Goat22> arrrg
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09:44 <@ware> whats that three wheel car
09:44 <+eryc> ware: computers
09:45 <+eryc> sysadmin
09:45 <@Evilpig> tinyurl can make custom tinyurls now
09:45 <@Evilpig> that is kinda neat
09:45 <@Evilpig> not sure what use that is
09:45 < Goat22> Pig!
09:45 <+eryc> tinyurl.com/goatse
09:46 <+eryc> ware: what do you do
09:46 <@ware> i try to figure out wtf that 3 wheeled car is called
09:47 <+eryc> a trike?
09:47 <@ware> it was on that car show where they test drive new crazy cars
09:47 < Goat22> it's a knight rider...geez
09:47 <@ware> its like aero or something
09:47 <@ware> red trike car
09:47 <@rhia> ware: aptera?
09:47 <@ware> not the t-rex
09:47 <@ware> no it was more sporty than that one
09:48 <+eryc> you guys see this?
09:48 <+eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxBa5bQfTGc
09:48 <@ware> gas powered as well
09:50 <@rhia> Venture makes a one seat, gasoline three wheeler
09:51 <@rhia> they had that one on Top Gear
09:52 <@ware> it looks like this Grinnall
09:52 <@ware> Scorpion
09:52 <@ware> but im sure thats not it
09:54  * eryc rolls eyes
09:54 <@ware> eryc: im a m$ consultant for businesses
09:54 <@rhia> then there's the Doran
09:54 <@ware> AD, exchange, mssql, iis, etc
09:55 <@ware> rhia: lol i hate when this happens
09:55 <@ware> i end up spending all day looking for it
09:55 <@ware> yes!
09:55 <@ware> volkswagen gx3
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09:59 <@rhia> ware: the ZAP Alias looks to be interesting, too - they'll suppossedly have a hybrid version
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10:30 <@Evilpig> if a xen domU crashes out how can you get what the error is?  I have tried oncrash="preserve" but that doesn't seem to help me see the screen
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10:34 <@oddball> ware: I think you're talking about the atom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
10:39 <@ware> YES
10:39 <@ware> that one!
10:40 <@oddball> And yes, I very much want.
10:41 <@oddball> Apparently you can get one in the states as a kit car that's road legal.
10:54 <@ware> ~minilink http://bp0.blogger.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SHp2Ki8qjiI/AAAAAAAABmU/HWinwTenCeU/s1600-h/newyorker.jpg
10:54 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/blogger.com/ONv7N.jpg
10:56 <@ware> http://www.break.com/index/little-girl-cheats-at-claw-game.html
10:56 <@ware> hahaha
10:58 <@ware> http://www.dailystab.com/oh-this-is-good/
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11:28 <@Dolemite> ok, luncheez time
11:28 <@Dolemite> with the cheerleaders
11:28 <@Dolemite> ware : no, we won't share the pics
11:34 <@Evilpig> shoecam?
11:44  * I-MOD steals the feed
11:56 <@dc0de> magic hands?
11:57  * brimstone feeds the steel
12:05 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Level 44.  w00t.
12:05 <@Evilpig> my bank hit 29 last night
12:06 <@Dolemite> You need to come help me power level!
12:06 <@Dolemite> No wonder I haven't seen you on except on raid nights...   you're levelling the bank
12:06 <@Evilpig> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal%27Ganis&n=Auctiongimp <--
12:06 <@Evilpig> I've been semi-bored so I have been doing that
12:07 <@Evilpig> ran into ware while I was working on quests in thousand needles
12:08 <@Dolemite> heh, I'll mail you a Robes of Arcana so that you can do the quest for the Enchanted Gold Bloodrobe
12:09 <@critch> hmmm, I think someone should have thought a bit more about the pictures and the title of the article. Spreading a little closet Joy, next to a rainbow color selection of clothes hangers... http://shop2.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080713/SHOP03/80708089/1839/SHOP
12:13 <@Shadow404> oh, anglina had her babies yesterday
12:17 <@scort> http://4.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/4/6/collegehumor.1ca974e42ecb8304bc2bee16600e4264.jpg
12:17 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: did you buy that recipe or get it as a drop?
12:20 <@critch> hmm, feel soo conflicted, do I go see the drag races or womens roller derby on Saturday evening.
12:23 <@sdodson> they both sound equally boring
12:23 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Mirage got it from a drop and sent it to me
12:24 <@sdodson> which of you hosers are going to hope?
12:24 <@Dolemite> It comes off of the grimtotems over in thousand needles
12:24 <@Dolemite> critch : In one sense, they are the same thing
12:24 <@Evilpig> yeah I know where all it comes from.  it's just a low drop rate is all
12:24 <@Dolemite> yeah, very low
12:25 <@Dolemite> Mirage and I were trying to farm it, I got tired and went to bed, then he said it dropped shortly afterwards
12:25 <@Dolemite> So I've been making them and selling them for about 10g each
12:25 <@Dolemite> cheap mats to make, too
12:25 <@critch> not really, womens roller derby is about checking out a rolling cat fight. Drag racing is more boring, but there is a better chance of something happening with the chick that I'll be out with.
12:25 <@sdodson> lol wow!
12:25 <@Dolemite> spider's silk is the only harder part
12:26 <@Dolemite> critch : Roller Derby = Drag Queen Race
12:26 <@ladymerlin> i work with 2 of the refs for the roller derby
12:26 <@critch> umm, I met some of the girls in the roller derby, not quite drag queens.
12:27 <@Dolemite> ok, jokes and humor are just lost on you
12:27 <@Dolemite> I give up
12:27 <@sdodson> omg, tell rhia someone didn't get a joke that wasn't funny, she'll forever mock their sense of humor
12:29 <@brimstone> mockity mock mock
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12:38 <@oddball> wizardpc: better from the Canajian Death Flu?
12:40 <@wizardpc> im at about 90%
12:40 <@oddball> that's good
12:41 <@wizardpc> and now I know what it feels like when you let Strep Throat continue unabated
12:42 <@wizardpc> "oh, you have a sinus infection. here, take this sinus medication"
12:43 <@wizardpc> which, of course, did nothing
12:44 <@oddball> ugh, suck
12:45 <@oddball> Oh, hey! Tesla is actually delivering roadsters now.
12:46 <@wizardpc> so yours is coming, then?
12:46 <@wizardpc> :D
12:47 <@oddball> I wonder if they've improved the 1:1 drive to charge time ratio.
12:48 <@Dagmar> Hey,, the good news is that if you fill out a bunch of paperwork you can usually get the people at Walgreens to give you the cheap OTC sinus pills that have psuedoephedrine HCl in them that actually *work*
12:56 <@sdodson> I just ask the pharmacist what I need now. Last time I went in there with an attitude about pseudoephedrine and they told me to try something else, felt great in about 12 hours.
12:57 <@sdodson> If they tell me I need that stuff then so be it, but so far mucinex has always worked.
13:00 <@coil> !!hint
13:01 <@Shadow404> anyone have suggestions for new pda phone from tmobile?
13:01 <@Shadow404> im trying to get away from the sidekick
13:01 <@scort> Shadow404, the iphone
13:01 <@brimstone> haxed iphone
13:02 <@Shadow404> well, yeah, thats an idea, but beyond a haxed iphone
13:02 <@Shadow404> what would you second choice be?
13:02 <@wizardpc> Well, the problem I was having was that I was *diagnosed* with a sinus infection, but I *actually had* Strep Throat
13:02 <@brimstone> crackberry
13:02 <@Shadow404> brimstone: which model?
13:02 <@brimstone> whatever's cheap
13:02 <@brimstone> i dunno
13:02 <@Shadow404> ok
13:02 <@brimstone> you don't have the "no windows mobile" resiction i did
13:03 <@brimstone> restriction
13:03 <@brimstone> so, go with a treo or something
13:03 <@brimstone> what are you going to be doing with it?
13:03 <@brimstone> or what do you expect to use it for?
13:03 <@scort> making phone calls
13:03 <@scort> chattin on irc
13:03 <@scort> lookin at pron
13:03 <@scort> you know the usual
13:03 <@Shadow404> what scort said and gps
13:04 <@brimstone> the new iphone has gps, the old one is kinda wonky on tmobile
13:04 <@scort> lol
13:04 <@Shadow404> i need something with maps and give cordinates or will accept cordiantes
13:04 <@oddball> brimstone: why the restristion?  Just generally allergic to MS products?
13:04 <@brimstone> put my location out off the coast of africa
13:04 <@brimstone> oddball: yeah
13:04 <@scort> ms sux
13:04 <@Shadow404> hmm, so maybe a win mobile phone for the gps features?
13:04 <@Shadow404> and programs
13:04 <@scort> no
13:04 <@wizardpc> AT&T Tilt
13:04 <@wizardpc> has everything you're looking for
13:04 <@brimstone> you just got to look around on forums and such for what you're looking for in a unit
13:05 <@scort> tmoble wizardpc
13:05 <@wizardpc> unlock that bitch
13:05 <@Shadow404> well, im trying to steer clear of at&t, they are evil and cost $20 bucks more for what i have
13:05 <@wizardpc> tis EASYPEASY
13:05 <@Shadow404> hmm, is their an unlock hack for the tilt for tmboile?
13:05 <@Shadow404> wizardpc: you sure?
13:05 <@wizardpc> yeppers
13:05 <@Shadow404> hmmm
13:05 <@Shadow404> and how much can i get one for?
13:05 <@Shadow404> if i dont by it through them?
13:06 <@wizardpc> well....there's the problem
13:06 <@wizardpc> I bought mine for $400 used
13:06 <@Shadow404> yeah
13:07 <@scort> fuck phones
13:07 <@scort> they're expensive
13:07 <@oddball> I think the T-Mobile Wing is essentially the same as my ATT 8525
13:07 <@wizardpc> Now, I do have my old T-mobile MDA (the tilt's grandfather)
13:07 <@Shadow404> hehe, get this
13:08 <@Shadow404> i was at the tmobile store in the city today
13:08 <@wizardpc> It's a slower processor, and the GPS is external bluetooth, but it still works pretty well
13:08 <@scort> shitty
13:08 <@Shadow404> asked if they curve had gps built in, just to check if this lady knew her shit, she said, of course it does
13:08 <@Shadow404> i said, thx, ill be looking elsewhere and wlaked out
13:08 <@Shadow404> the right answer would of been, let me check that for you
13:09 <@Shadow404> no, she just lied to make the sale
13:09 <@scort> those are sales people for you
13:09 <@oddball> My favorite was a guy at Best Buy a few years ago told me that bluetooth was the wave of the future and was replacing 802.11b/g
13:09 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:09 <@Shadow404> nice
13:09 <@scort> it hasn't replaced it yet
13:09 <@scort> hah
13:10 <@Shadow404> nor will it, bluetooth is great for short range stuff
13:12 <@wizardpc> okay, SIM unlocking the Tilt http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375583
13:14 <@oddball> oh, and similarly, I was shopping with my mom for a laptop for my nephews.  We stopped at Best Buy, where the guy started pushing their "we set up the laptop for you" deal.  Part of that pitch was "we put everything on it that you need."  I asked if that included Office? nope... "so... ummm what do you put on it for us?"  "most recent updates and PC-cillian."
13:16 <@oddball> oh, wizardpc, what was that software that turns our phones into wireless bridges?
13:17 <@wizardpc> wmwifirouter
13:17 <@Shadow404> ok, so if i go with at&t my service is $75 compared to tmobile
13:17 <@Shadow404> at $54
13:17 <@oddball> so, get the good phone, crack it, and go to Tmobile
13:17 <@wizardpc> well I pay $55 at AT$T
13:18 <@wizardpc> but I have some special discounts, and an aversion to T-Mobile
13:18 <@oddball> there is that
13:18  * wizardpc has gotten phone calls from T-Mobile VP's at odd hours
13:19 <@oddball> and you know just how fucked up their infrastructure is?
13:19 <@rhia> never had good service from AT&T, they've managed to burn me, expensively, somehow every time i've tried them
13:19 <@oddball> *shrug* they're one of the better services around here.
13:19 <@rhia> but, that may well be the same luck i have with Fords - shrug
13:20 <@oddball> Around here, I'd go with either AT&T or Verizon.  I've seen the shit wizardpc's gone through with Tmobile, and Sprint pissed me off to no end.
13:21 <@rhia> fords do some funky stuff when i drive them, like, sling rods into the road bed, break the motor mounts (idling at a red light), etc
13:21 <@oddball> I've had both Verizon and AT&T treat me decently well.
13:21 <@oddball> damn... remind me not to let you anywhere near my vehicles.
13:21 <@scort> i STILL have free internet on vzw network
13:21 <@rhia> only fords - and apple computers
13:21 <@scort> on my phone
13:21 <@scort> cuz i seem edited my phone
13:22 <@scort> to unlock the bluetooth
13:22 <@oddball> My Volvo my get the wrong idea (owned by Ford)
13:22 <@brimstone> rhia: something's telling you stop using mechanical and electrical things
13:22 <@wizardpc> were you idling at 6,000 rpm?
13:22 <@brimstone> idling EXTREME
13:23 <@rhia> brimstone: nah, GMs and asian cars will run on 3 of 4 cylinders for me, dey lubberz me
13:23 <@Dagmar> scort: Didnt' Verizon get sued for that shit
13:23 <@scort> probably
13:23 <@wizardpc> my jeep used to idle at 2500 sometimes
13:23 <@oddball> That reminds me, I should probably replace the dogbone engine mount on my Fiero.
13:23 <@Dagmar> I could swear they got sued for taking a motorola phone that's main selling points involved "blueteef accesses to everythings!" and then disabled it, only reenabling it as a special premium feature
13:26 <@scort> sounds about right
13:26 <@wizardpc> was that sprint?
13:27 <@oddball> yep
13:29 <@oddball> The Razor is also the prime example in my argument to stop the phone companies from locking phones.
13:29 <@Dagmar> I have made one edit to my Razr.
13:30 <@Dagmar> ...and that was to turn off the fucking music store app
13:30 <@oddball> All 4 major providers were selling it, no 2 had the same set of features actually enabled.
13:30 <@Dagmar> They were all slightly different physical hardware tho is part of it
13:30 <@Dagmar> That little m, v, x, or i at the end of the "V3" was important
13:30 <@oddball> ah
13:30 <@brimstone> or c or not at all
13:31 <@Dagmar> THe "m" seemed like it stood for media
13:31 <@Dagmar> ...because that's the one with the mini-SDcard slot hidden inside it
13:31 <@Dagmar> er micro-sdcard stlot
13:31 <@Dagmar> Flash a different model's firmware on it, and the slot doesn't work anymore
13:32 <@oddball> wizardpc: have you tried WMWifiRouter 0.91?  It's the finally release before it went commercial.
13:32 <@Shadow404> wizardpc: how cheap can i get the iphone now?
13:33  * oddball is still amused about how everyone fucking loved the Razr when it came out, now everyone fucking hates it.
13:33 <@brimstone> Shadow404: i bought a used first gen off someone for $200
13:33 <@oddball> Shadow404: with contract, the new ones are $200
13:33 <@Dagmar> Pfft.  I still like mine
13:34 <@oddball> Yeah, it seems like a good phone.  I was going to get one before my mom offered to buy me the 8525 for my birthday.
13:34 <@Shadow404> hmm, if i get one, im gonna get it used so i can hacvk it for tmobile
13:34 <@brimstone> that's really, really easy to do too
13:35 <@brimstone> i was surprised
13:35 <@Shadow404> cool
13:35 <@Shadow404> looking into that soon
13:35 <@brimstone> it's literally, connect it, press the "do it all button" in ziphone.org
13:35 <@Shadow404> haha
13:35 <@Shadow404> is it usb?
13:35 <@brimstone> yeah
13:35 <@Shadow404> even sweeter
13:35 <@Shadow404> ok, brb, work just piled up
13:35 <@brimstone> actually, i only used a windows box or itunes to unlock and jailbreak it
13:35 <@brimstone> after that, all linux :D
13:36 <@Shadow404> cool, i got ubuntu for that
13:36 <@Shadow404> though that box is always off except for when i need linux
13:36 <@brimstone> yeah, sadly amarok is the best media player to use with the iphone :(
13:36 <@brimstone> you use windows daily, so just stick with itunes
13:38 <@Shadow404> heh, i can use scotchicks pc for that
13:39 <@Shadow404> i hate itunes
13:46 <@critch> Shadow404: how would you like a phone you can actually hook up a keyboard and mouse to?
13:48 <@Shadow404> explain
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13:50 <@critch> Shadow404: have you looked at the openmoko lately. USB host support so you can use a USB and mouse on it's 640x480 screen.
13:51 <@Dagmar> It's also expensive as a motherfucker.
13:51 <@critch> unlocked, 2.5g gsm
13:51 <@brimstone> only $400
13:51 <@Dagmar> They need to state up front whose networks it will and won't work with.
13:51 <@Dagmar> That would get some phones shipping out.
13:52 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Compared to what you pay for a subsidized phone?
13:52 <@critch> Dagmar: they are sold out till the 25th, don't think they have trouble moving them
13:52 <@Dagmar> I would serious consider buying one of them IF I could have been able to tell whether or not I could use the damn thing on Sprint
13:53 <@oddball> Dagmar: their current target market will know which services use GSM
13:53 <@critch> hmm, do you think sprint uses GSM?
13:53 <@brimstone> Dagmar: tried hitting up mailing lists, message boards and irc?
13:54 <@oddball> and no, Sprint uses CDMA
13:54 <@critch> Dagmar: check the first entry on the FAQ http://www.openmoko.com/product-qa.html
13:54 <@Dagmar> This is one of those times where I say "Users generally don't want to have to know specifically which protocols and frequencies their cell provider uses"
13:55 <@critch> They have a nice link to a site that tells you what providers use what frequencies and they have nice coverages maps listed for many as well.
13:55 <@brimstone> critch: no no no, dagmar would have doing something like a google search for "openmoko sprint"
13:55 <@oddball> and 99% of those people will only buy phones that are sold by their provider
13:56 <@Dagmar> You guys seem to forget that web pages change.
13:56 <@Dagmar> What you see now is not necessarily what was up a week ago, or even the same as yesterday.
13:56 <@oddball> my points remain
13:56 <@Dagmar> On their release day, I had to spend 15 minutes digging around to find out specifically what the phone talked on, and then another 20 finding out WTF specifically Sprint was using.
13:56 <@Dagmar> It's a fucking phone.
13:56 <@critch> som you seem to argue that it is okay to argue based on outdated information?
13:57 <@Dagmar> It shouldn't require a half hour of research to find out if it'll work or not.
13:57 <@critch> s/som/so/
13:57 <@Dagmar> No, I'm saying you guys are arguing about shit that was different on release day than it is now
13:58 <@brimstone> on release day? it's always been gsm
13:58 <@Dagmar> Besides which, it's not that damn hard to build a little web app to let people punch in their zip code and have it tell them yes, no, or we don't know
13:58 <@critch> okay, and most of the target market right now knows what the different carriers use, and can know pretty easily when a phone starts talking about being available in foriegn markets that it is a GSM phone.
13:58 <@Dagmar> For fuck's sake
13:58 <@Dagmar> You keep saying "most of the target market"
13:58 <@Dagmar> It's a phone.
13:59 <@brimstone> but it's not just any phone, it's an open hardware phone
13:59 <@brimstone> you're not going to just walk into a store and buy it off the shelf
13:59 <@Dagmar> I'm not arguing it should have yellow padded bumpers to keep people from hurting their teeth on it, but targeting only developers and saying "f**k everyone else" is a bit lunatic
13:59 <@critch> Dagmar: a IRL race car is just a car, but it is only meant for a certain select few to drive them
14:00 <@Dagmar> critch: They're also building those for each user
14:00 <@brimstone> i want my phone to have racing stripes
14:00 <@Dagmar> \They're not making tehse phones for individuals, they're mass manufacturing them in runs
14:00 <@critch> Dagmar: the general population doesn't want what the developers want.
14:00 <@Dagmar> It's not so useful to do that and flatly ignore that if you can sell some to popcorn eaters, that extra money can be put into making them better/cheaper
14:01 <@critch> from what I remember, what we are getting is not a special phone. It is being subsidized a bit by the Chinese who want it to run windows mobile as well.
14:02 <@critch> Kind of like the beginings of linux. Windows users subsidized the hardware development, and we get to have nice cheap easy to get hardware.
14:02 <@critch> and the unsubsidized price of decent phones is on the order that openmoko is asking for.
14:04 <@ware> Y() kR@KaHZ!!!
14:05 <@ware> anyone got the hookup on a 22-24" widescreen display?
14:05 <@ware> im looking to spend around $250 on one
14:05 <@Dagmar> ware: Keep an eye on Best Buy's sales flyers.
14:05 <@oddball> have you tried the sales at officedepot/max, etc?
14:05 <@Dagmar> ...or just look to see if they have any on sale now
14:05 <@Dagmar> $250 is a very doable price for a 24" LCD
14:06 <@Evilpig> techbargains.com
14:06 <@Dagmar> Even easier at 22"
14:06 <@ware> ive been lookin online
14:06 <@ware> and $250 seems to be about the baseline for the 22" widescreen lcd
14:06 <@oddball> or hell, just go to pricewatch.  You're not asking for anything too insane.
14:06 <@ware> any brands I should stay away from?
14:06 <@oddball> your mom?
14:06 <+MxZBot> your mom is the woman that works the corner of peachtree and ponce...
14:07 <@ware> :P
14:07 <@Evilpig> $200 22"  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=V18-2112&AffiliateID=Es5Ekr9eEBk-Z_GsjTQPNp2VbiCMRYmcow
14:08 <@oddball> There, piggy has done your work for you
14:08 <@Evilpig> actually $180 before shipping.  but about $200
14:08 <@brimstone> yay tiger direct!
14:08 <@ware> think id notice much of a difference between a 22" and a 24" ?
14:08 <@ware> just for gaming / movies
14:08 <@Dagmar> That depends
14:08 <@brimstone> optiquest?
14:09 <@brimstone> refresh rate is the big killer on games isn't it?
14:09 <@ware> id assume so
14:09 <@ware> 75Hz should be plenty tho
14:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah, Optiquest ain't exactly premium but that's pretty cheap
14:10 <@oddball> I believe optiquest is the budget brand for Samsung
14:10 <@brimstone> sorry, not refresh rate, response time
14:10 <@Evilpig> don't like optiquest.  take your pick http://tinyurl.com/64sulp
14:11 <@oddball> It's been a while since I've seen a response time high enough that it really makes a difference.
14:12 <@brimstone> i've not gone shopping for monitors recently either
14:13 <@oddball> If I remember correctly, anything below 20ms, and the human eye shouldn't register the flicker.
14:13 <@Evilpig> oddball: human...   ware....  your call
14:14 <@ware> i gotta get a new GFX card too =/
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14:14 <@ware> wonder if the GT8800 could take advantage of a HD monitor
14:14 <@brimstone> nvidia 8800 GT?
14:14 <@ware> yeah
14:14 <@brimstone> highly likely
14:15 <@brimstone> but i'm not positive on that
14:15 <@ShadowHntr> hell my onboard GeForce 7025 will
14:15 <@ShadowHntr> but it doesn't have HDMI support
14:15 <@Dagmar> No, it won't.
14:15 <@scort> mine has component out
14:15 <@ShadowHntr> not sure about HDCP either
14:15 <@brimstone> you're talking about pushing 1080p well right ware?
14:15 <@Dagmar> The 7025 has no video accelleration.
14:15 <@scort> mine supports hdcp and hdmi
14:15 <@Dagmar> It's for workstation  apps only.
14:15 <@scort> 8800gts
14:15 <@ware> brimstone: yes, but the cost difference to do HD isnt appealing to me
14:15 <@Dagmar> If you want the nVidia driver to be able to help with HD playback, you have to get the 7050 or just about any other 7xxx card
14:16 <@Dagmar> ...just not the 7025.
14:16 <@brimstone> my ati radeon 9600 pro will support a 720p video with xvid in linux on a 20" lcd
14:16 <@Dagmar> ...and before anyone can try to argue "I didn't say video" blah blah blah, the keyword "HD" was invoked.
14:17 <@scort> brimstone, dell 20"w? :P
14:17 <@brimstone> scort: yeah, 2005fpw
14:17 <@scort> wooooooooot
14:17 <@scort> i love mine
14:17 <@Dolemite> yeah, but HDTV != 1080p.  1080p is just one of many that qualify as HDTV.
14:17 <@scort> it's not a real 2005fpw
14:17 <@brimstone> i wanna get another for some hot dual screen action, but in a pay check or two
14:17 <@scort> i wonder how cheap they are now
14:18 <@brimstone> i just saw one on froogle for $199
14:18 <@critch> http://3btech.net/22enh2wilcdf.html
14:18  * ShadowHntr heart his ViewSonic VX2245w :)
14:18 <@wizardpc> this damn cisco VPN is really starting to piss me the hell off
14:19 <@wizardpc> I keep getting disconnected every 15-30 minutes
14:19 <@ware> ~minilink http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3877426&Sku=S445-D22000&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq
14:19 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/tigerdirect.com/jl7L4.asp
14:19 <@ware> is about the best deal
14:19 <@Evilpig> if you can afford it.  VX2835wm is the way to go
14:19 <@ShadowHntr> i can't
14:19 <@Dagmar> ware: Acer + Refurbished == no, no, no, no, no
14:20 <@Evilpig> no joke there
14:20 <@ShadowHntr> ViewSonic, LG or Samsung
14:20 <@ShadowHntr> FTW
14:20 <@Evilpig> i'd say in general acer anything is no, no , no
14:20 <@ShadowHntr> my viewsonic is a refurb
14:20 <@scort> Dagmar, theres this acer refurb at the shop....the screen doesn't turn back on after standby
14:23 <@ware> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824155053
14:23 <@ware> ?
14:23 <@ware> that one has a couple inputs too
14:25 <@brimstone> i love the dual vga/dvi inputs on monitors
14:25 <@brimstone> dvi is desktop, vga is laptop
14:25 <@ware> yeah that would come in handy
14:25 <@brimstone> just toggle it there, no dicking with extra cables under the table
14:25 <@ware> its a clean display too, no buttons or logos on the front
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14:26 <@scort> brimstone, you have the button on the front that chang es inputs?
14:26 <@brimstone> i think 20 and 24 are the minmum in their resolution groups
14:26 <@brimstone> scort: yup
14:26 <@scort> digital, analog, and auto?
14:26 <@brimstone> yeah
14:27 <@brimstone> xbox on teh analog, veeeery nice
14:27 <@scort> my monitor just doesn't have the usb inputs
14:27 <@brimstone> i have a mouse and my iphone dock on my usb inputs
14:27 <@brimstone> gonna build a usb switcher at the shop at some point
14:27 <@ware> your monitor has a RCA video input?
14:27 <@brimstone> yeah, composite and svideo
14:27 <@ware> oh duh, nvm
15:08 <@Evilpig> is hyperterminal not part of vista?
15:09 <@brimstone> who uses hyperterminal anymore?
15:09 <@brimstone> your switches don't have a web gui?
15:09 <@ware> cisco
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15:09 <@brimstone> wb baudburn
15:09 <@brimstone> at a time not 4 in the morning
15:10 < baudburn> just passing through
15:11 <@Evilpig> brimstone: have you ever wanted to test a modem?  hyperterminal is the easiest way since you can issue the at commands directly
15:11 <@brimstone> Evilpig: yeah, but i use minicom for that :D
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15:13 <@Dolemite> putty does serial comms too, and mo' betta'
15:15 <@SkyDog_> Dolemite: What's up with the mailgate?
15:16 <@Dolemite> Dunno, they just called in a break/fix on it
15:17 <@critch> Dolemite: who is in charge of the email gateways there?
15:17 <@Dolemite> ITS
15:17 <@critch> Did they just start using proofpoint over the weekend, well Friday?
15:18 <@Dolemite> nope, years ago
15:19 <@critch> hmm, they just started claiming a spam score of 82 for our medical records deliveries. I keep having to go in and report it as a false positive.
15:19 <@Dolemite> there was a version upgrade last Thursday
15:19 <@critch> ahh, so that must be it.
15:19 <@critch> We send little to no text to accompany the word documents.
15:20 <@critch> I would hate to resort to spamming tactics to just get legit mail in.
15:28 <@SkyDog_> http://nashville.craigslist.org/ele/726052116.html
15:29 <@SkyDog_> Is item #8 illegal?
15:29 <@Dagmar> Probably not but I'll look anyway
15:29 <@critch> 1 Pocket Dialer with crystal mod to fake the nickel tone on pay phones
15:29 <@Dagmar> Oh, a red box?
15:29 <@Dagmar> Technically it's illegal.
15:29 <@Dagmar> Specifically, it's useless.
15:29 <@SkyDog_> Thought that was pretty funny.
15:30 <@Dagmar> No one's used in-band signaling on their pay phones for awhile now.
15:30 <@Dagmar> Why the nickel instead of a quarter, I dunno.  Possibly the guy's memory is fuzzy.
15:30 <@Dagmar> You only need a single chirp for the nickel.  Maybe he coulnd't programe it well
15:31 <@Dagmar> *Somewhere* I still have mine, that worked.
15:32 <@Dagmar> ...but like I said, they're pretty useless now.
15:33 <@ware> we should find an old pay phone to hack up for HQ
15:33 <@ware> make it an IP phone hehe
15:33 <@SkyDog_> If you track one down, we'll see what we can do.
15:33 <@ware> i havent seen one that i recall in awhile
15:34 <@critch> SkyDog_: wonder were I could park one of those.  http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/754595346.html
15:34 <@SkyDog_> HAHA!
15:35 <@SkyDog_> ...Several 2.5 ton M35A2 military trucks...
15:35 <@SkyDog_> Jebus.
15:35 <@SkyDog_> 11MPG
15:35 <@wizardpc> I saw those this weekend, showed them to Nikki, got smacked in the face
15:36 <@critch> If you notice, the pic in the upper left and lower right are the same picture.
15:36 <@wizardpc> hey 11mpg is pretty good, and they can run on kerosene
15:36 <@SkyDog_> I can imagine. I was thinking of you when I saw them wiz.
15:36 <@wizardpc> http://nashville.craigslist.org/car/754587014.html
15:36 <@wizardpc> thats the original ad
15:37 <@oddball> wizardpc: wait... did you end up going to the gun show?
15:40 <@wizardpc> no i was tooo damn tired
15:41 <@wizardpc> and sickly
15:41 <@wizardpc> I can't stand for more than about 10 minutes
15:41 <@oddball> ok, just checking
15:41 <@oddball> Cause I'd have to beat you otherwise
15:42 <@wizardpc> yeah corey called me friday night and mikki had to tell him fuggedaboutit
15:42 <@brimstone> anheuser-busch got bought by the belgians :(
15:42 <@ware> yah
15:43 <@ware> itll be more expensive now
15:43 <@ware> cause its an import!
15:43 <@ware> lol
15:43 <@brimstone> yup
15:43 <@wizardpc> wow, ware said something that made me laugh
15:43  * wizardpc checks for snowflakes
15:45 <@oddball> Yeah, she told me similar on Saturday
15:45 <@critch> okay, so I have to laugh. Those duece and a halfs are being sold to finance shipping a dump truck and a couple of tractors to Liberia at $10k per to ship. Couldn't they have just bought some crap truck in Liberia for about that much?
15:46 <@wizardpc> LOL!
15:47 <@wizardpc> wait, what kind of tractors? as in trucks or as in farm equipment?
15:48 <@critch> truck, I'm assuming a duece with a 5th wheel
15:52 <@wizardpc> okay well then that doesnt make sense at all
15:57 <@wizardpc> oddball: Bill Goodman 8/9, bob pope 8/23, dunno when the next RK show is
15:58 <@oddball> RK show? Don't think I've been to one of those.
15:58 <@wizardpc> oh shit the next RK show is 727
15:58 <@wizardpc> it where the bob pope shows used to be
15:59 <@wizardpc> at the old walmart in smyrna
15:59 <@wizardpc> 7/25-7/27
15:59 <@oddball> Ah, ok
16:00 <@wizardpc> it's like the good ole days
16:01 <@wizardpc> http://www.gunshows-usa.com/tennesee.htm
16:01 <@oddball> heh... does this mean that we'll actually get to go to the range at some point?
16:01 <@wizardpc> hang on, lemme check my calendar again :D
16:04 <@wizardpc> maybe the 26th? Theres a Freinds of the NRA State meeting that night
16:04 <@critch> oddball: I mentioned this to wizardpc the other day, and so you should know as well. I have a friend in Belinda city now that has his FFL.
16:05 <@Dagmar> Which means he's all the way out in Mt. Fucking Juliet
16:06 <@oddball> Ah, cool
16:07 <@critch> Not as bas as Mt Juliet. Belinda City is closer to the interstate. But he is also the constable there.
16:07 <@critch> I think I understood that he works at some prison as well.
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16:07 <@oddball> Dagmar: also means I might be able to do FFL transfers (i.e. mail order) without the transfer costing an arm and a leg
16:07 <@critch> He and his wife seem to like me. So if you have need to transfer a item here, he will probably help us out
16:08 <@oddball> I understand the FFL making some cash out of the deal, but if I'm ordering a <$300 firearm, charging $75 on top of background check fee is ridiculous.
16:09 <@Dagmar> Closer to the interstate only gets about five miles
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16:09 <@Dagmar> That place is Uppity Hillbilly Hollywood
16:09 <@Dagmar> Sorry, since I went to high school in Mt. Juliet, I'm still of the opnion everyone there should die.
16:09 <@oddball> oops, need to set up those computers for the auditors.
16:10 <@critch> well, 5 miles not spent driving in Mt Juliet is for the best. Damn speed trap cops are as annoying as Smyrna and Lavergne
16:10 <@wizardpc> oddball: who's been charging you $75 for transfers?
16:10 <@Dagmar> I could buy two arms and two legs for $150?
16:10 <@ShadowHntr> YES !
16:10 <@wizardpc> in parts of india
16:10 <@ShadowHntr> got a job interview scheduled for wednesday morning
16:10 <@ShadowHntr> :D
16:13 <@SkyDog_> Janitor?
16:15 <@Evilpig> mop boy at the "special" theater
16:15 <@SkyDog_> woohoo! wear boots.
16:16 <@Evilpig> and here I was expecting a "I'll see you wednesday night" outta you too skydog
16:17 <@oddball> wizardpc: most of the places I've asked has quoted me that.
16:18 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: I rent.
16:19 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/charsheet/16908179
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16:20 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: POS technician
16:21 <@oddball> Oh, and for the record, looks like Walmart is getting out of the selling rifles market, and placing folks that no nothing behind the counter where they keep the ammo.
16:21 <@Dagmar> Awesome
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16:23 <@wizardpc> oddball: did you miss the part where walmart joined "Mayors against guns"?
16:23 <@oddball> Had to pick up some .22s on the way to the range a couple weeks ago, and asked the question "Minis or maxis?"  He was truely confused when I responded ".22 long rifle, there should be a box of about 550 of them somewhere down there."
16:24 <@oddball> Yeah, I know... I was thinking that was just in New York.  The only reason I went to Wally-World is because I didn't have time to go anywhere else.
16:24 <@wizardpc> I've tried to stop going alltogether, because if they think I'm icky then they dont get my money
16:25 <@oddball> like I said, I usually avoid them as well.  It's the problem that there's not really another place that sells ammo on the way to the range.
16:39  * Catonic headdesks for a bit
16:39 <@Catonic> breaker trips are fun.
16:39 <@SkyDog_> Depends on which side of the breaker you're on.
16:41 <@ShadowHntr> lol
16:43 <@sdodson> http://indexed.blogspot.com/2008/05/keep-vintage-pontiac-in-garage.html
16:55 <@Evilpig> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/cardboard_toilet_is_obviously.php
16:55 <@Evilpig> hahhaaha
16:59 <@dc0de> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/06/boom_arm_starbase_workstation.php
16:59 <@dc0de> better than the shitpot
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17:14 <@Dagmar> Wow
17:15 <@Dagmar> In fact, Wow^e*12
17:15 <@Dagmar> CNN dropping a story on this Payne guy who was a fundraiser for Bush's reelection flat out taking donations for favors, like access to administration members.
17:16 <@Dagmar> Flat out fucking soliciting bribes.
17:16 <@Dagmar> Hoooleeeee shit
17:18 <@Corydon76-lap> Same thing happened to Gingrich
17:18 <@wizardpc> you mean like Tony Rezko did for Obama?
17:18 <@wizardpc> and he just got convicted
17:18 <@Corydon76-lap> pretty much happens to every politician who runs a popular campaign
17:18 <@wizardpc> yep
17:19 <@wizardpc> they're politicians, thats what they do
17:19 <@Corydon76-lap> One guy, acting on his own, goes beyond what he's supposed to be doing
17:20 <@wizardpc> Anyone remember Roger Clinton?
17:20 <@Corydon76-lap> not really
17:21 <@wizardpc> Bill's brother. For $250,000 he would get you a meeting with Bill about your poor brother being incarcerated unfairly
17:21 <@wizardpc> and viola! pardon
17:21 <@Corydon76-lap> "voila"
17:21 <@Corydon76-lap> viola is a large violin
17:22 <@wizardpc> well, yeah. Ironically, I used to play viola
17:23 <@Corydon76-lap> What's the difference between a viola and a trampoline?
17:23 <@wizardpc> people play with a trampoline?
17:23 <@Corydon76-lap> You take your shoes off to jump on a trampoline
17:23 <@wizardpc> HAHA!
17:23 <@Corydon76-lap> What's the difference between a house and a viola?
17:23 <@Corydon76-lap> Nobody calls the fire dept when a viola is on fire
17:24 <@Corydon76-lap> What's the difference between an onion and a viola?
17:24 <@Corydon76-lap> Nobody cries when you cut up a viola
17:24 <@wizardpc> lest anyone think I was pulling that roger clinton thing out of the ether: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/02/22/burton.rich.02/
17:28  * wizardpc is off to buy a washer and dryer
17:29 <@ShadowHntr> wizardpc: get a Samsung or LG - they're the best out there :)
17:50 <@Dagmar> Awesome
17:51 <@Dagmar> Just heard the CNN guy say "Lebanon, TN" like "Lebanon, Israel"
17:51 <@coil> Corydon76-lap: lol
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> lol
17:51 <@coil> how are you suppost to say it Dagmar
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> leba-NEN
17:51 <@Dagmar> Like the people in Lebanon say it, which is just about "LEB-ah-nun"
17:51 <@Dagmar> ...definitely not "Leb-ah-NON"
17:52 <@Dagmar> WTF
17:52 <@coil> ftw
17:52 <@Dagmar> Cindy McCain just said "We lived in Arizona and the only way to get around there was really just small private planes"
17:53 <@coil> people dont drive yet
17:53 <@Dagmar> Okay, I know she's a major heiress from Anheuser Busch, but still
17:53 <@Dagmar> What the fuck is wrong with driving cars in a state that's mostly flat?
17:53 <@coil> olol
17:54 <@coil> we recovered this guys picutes
17:54 <@coil> pictures
17:54 <@coil> and we found more then just his family album photos
17:54 <@coil> some pron
17:55 <@Evilpig> coil.  did you post them to imageshack yet?
17:56 <@coil> not yet
17:58 <@coil> it's just website porn
17:58 <@coil> nothing good
18:05 <@rhia> Cindy's argument might work in Alaska, but Arizona?
18:13 <@Dagmar> I think sh'es poppin those pills agaiin
18:13 <@aestetix> hey
18:13 <@aestetix> Let's say I have a PHP mail script I want to be able to run.
18:14 <@aestetix> But I don't want it to be publicly accessible.
18:14 <@aestetix> So you can't go to like mail.php in the web browser and run it multiple times.
18:14 <@aestetix> What's the best way to prevent that?
18:15 <@Dagmar> Learn how to code a locking file mechanism
18:15 <@Dagmar> touch file ; lock file, non-blocking; if lock stuck, we're good to go.  If lock failed, die immediately, tell user to piss off.
18:16 <@Dagmar> flock is very useful for this, since it goes away when a program exits.
18:16 <@Dagmar> high-rez: One somewhat annoying thing is that by default nVidia drivers/cards seem to check only ONE port for EDID.
18:17 <@Dagmar> wrong chan
18:17 <@aestetix> How does locking a file work into this?
18:17 <@aestetix> It would be locked by the system or something?
18:18 <@Dagmar> For once, `man flock`.  You don't even have to read very closely.
18:18 <@Dagmar> Basically, you can just touch a file in /tmp, and then try to "lock" the file using flock.
18:19 <@Dagmar> These locks are *not* mandatory.
18:19 <@coil> flock you Dagmar !
18:19 <@Dagmar> Programs that don't try to get a lock themselves will never see them.
18:19 <@Dagmar> ...but in the above example, they're hella useful.
18:19 <@Dagmar> They're meant to make it so you can reserve the exclusive right to write to a given file to one program at a time.
18:19 <@Dagmar> They can be put to other uses, like this one tho.
18:20 <@Dagmar> You call flock on a filehandle, and if there's no lock on the file, the OS marks that file as locked to you, and the lock is automatically undone when the filehandle is destroyed (either by closing, or program exit)
18:20 <@Dagmar> Note you shoudl still explicitly unlock any file you locked.
18:20 <@Dagmar> But basically, the flock call has a blocking mode and a non-blocking mode.
18:21 <@Dagmar> Using the blocking mode, you can basically make that flock call stick and wait UNTIL you obtain a lock, which might be forever (so it's risky)
18:21 <@aestetix> Ok, so I want to send mail. I put a lock on the mail.php file, so only apache can use it. Aren't all requests coming via apache though?
18:22 <@Dagmar> Using non-blocking mode, the flock() call returns immediately, and you can check it's error code to see if a) you got the lock, b) you didn't get the lock because some other program has it locked, or c) something really bad has happened and you're fucked.
18:22 <@Dagmar> NOT so only apache can use it
18:22 <@Dagmar> File locks are for the *process* just like filehandles are.
18:22 <@Dagmar> Like, this is exactly the thing you want to keep a program from being run twice simultaneously.
18:22 <@Dagmar> *Exactly*
18:23 <@aestetix> Hmm.
18:23 <@aestetix> I'm not sure I'm worried about it being run twice simultaneously. I want multiple users to be able to send mail at the same time.
18:23 <@Dagmar> So what's your problem then?
18:24 <@aestetix> I just don't want someone to run an HTTP attack and mass email bomb
18:24 <@brimstone> sessions?
18:24 <+MxZBot> sessions are no biggie
18:24 <@aestetix> Actually.... sessions may be the answer I'm looking for.
18:24 <@Dagmar> "So you can't go to like mail.php in the web browser and run it multiple times."
18:24 <@Dagmar> It helps when you dont' change your requirements in mid-sentence
18:24 <@aestetix> Ohhh.
18:24 <@brimstone> i think i'd use sessions for that aestetix
18:24 <@aestetix> Sorry. I've been stuck in this code for the last two weeks.
18:25 <@aestetix> What makes sense to me doesn't make sense to anyone else right now.
18:25 <@aestetix> But yeah, sessions may work for that.
18:25 <@Dagmar> So, that's a third problem entirely.  *sigh*
18:26  * aestetix goes back to the drawing board
18:27 <@Dagmar> You should learn about file locking anyway because it's very cool and useful.
18:28 <@coil> flock: not found
18:29 <@aestetix> Dagmar: thanks for the advice.
18:29  * aestetix goes back into hiding
18:29 <@coil> flock not foudn
18:29 <@Dagmar> It's a C function.
18:29 <@Dagmar> Perl has it as well.
18:29 <@Dagmar> PHP *should* have it.
18:30 <@Dagmar> Since bash don't exactly have filehandles, it's not going to be a shell function.
18:30 <@coil> ahh
18:32  * Catonic takes aestetix to the woodshed
18:33 <@sdodson> Anyon hearing banjoes right now?
18:39 <@ShadowHntr> ?
18:40 <@sdodson> banjos?
18:43 <@brimstone> woo TF2 here i come!
18:43 <@sdodson> zomg i can shootz at uz?
18:43 <@brimstone> sure!
18:44  * brimstone starts TF2 downloading and looks for dinner
18:45 <@sdodson> oh, we'll maybe tomorrow
18:45 <@sdodson> it's like a 2-3 hour download
18:45 <@brimstone> for you
18:46 <@brimstone> it'll finish before i finish dinner here
18:46 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: Banjo Kazooie?
18:47 <@sdodson> I wonder if my feeling of "stfu about gas prices" is simply a function of it still being low enough that I'm not overly burdened by it.
18:51 <@coil> man
18:51 <@coil> i wish i could play tf2 when you guys play
18:52 <@coil> it's no fun with out knowing someone on the server
18:52 <@brimstone> coil: play tonight?
18:53 <@brimstone> i'm at 10% downloading so far
18:53 <@brimstone> should finish in 30 to 45 minutes
18:53 <@coil> r u on xp ?
18:53 <@coil> well im not at home
18:53 <@brimstone> nope, debian
18:53 <@coil> mine dind't run
18:54 <@coil> it would load a map
18:54 <@coil> and do nothing
18:54 <@sdodson> coil: ya, it's only fun playing with folks you know
18:54 <@sdodson> unless you're playing with ware, cause we all know he hax
18:54 <@coil> ya
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19:41 <@brimstone> almost right at an hour to download TF2
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20:14 <@coil> you doing it through wine-doors?
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20:23 <@coil> or red red wine?
20:27 <@sdodson> omfg these warranty calls are getting annoying, three voice mails today
20:27 <@sdodson> coil: why do you wine so much?
20:28 <@coil> would you like some cheese with that wine sdodson ?
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20:29 <@coil> hi DigitalIrony
20:29 < DigitalIrony> hello
20:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v DigitalIrony] by coil
20:30  * DigitalIrony feel special
20:30 <@coil> you're welcome
20:30 <@sdodson> coil only gives gimp ops
20:30 <+DigitalIrony> :P
20:31 <+DigitalIrony> well since i only have one leg thats perfect
20:31 <@sdodson> bah now i feel guilty and shit, see what you did coil?
20:31 <@coil> what did i do?
20:31 <@coil> you said it :P
20:31 <+DigitalIrony> :P
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20:32 <@DigitalIrony> well at least its the middle one thats left
20:32 <@coil> here now you should feel less like shit sdodson
20:32 <@sdodson> ok, going to go back to clubbing baby seals
20:32 <@DigitalIrony> If i really only  had one leg that would be the one i would want the most
20:32 <@coil> sdodson: kill some kittens too
20:34 <@coil> god damnit
20:34 <@coil> friends aunt died
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20:53 < R3d2Dawn> Anyone have their copy of 2600 Summer 2008 yet?
20:54 <@tcstool> Yeah I do
20:54 < R3d2Dawn> is that a silhouette of the reaper on the front cover?
20:54 <@tcstool> I think so
20:55 < R3d2Dawn> whats the device it is apparently looking at? any clue
20:56 < R3d2Dawn> wait I get it, I think
20:56 <@tcstool> It has to do with the last HOPE I think
20:57 <@tcstool> but I haven't looked particularly closely at it
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21:00 <@SkyDog_> R3d2Dawn: Heya man! where ya been?
21:00 <@Dagmar> Yes, that's the Grim Reaper staring at an old radio
21:00 < R3d2Dawn> Between work and my two boys being here, its been crazy
21:00 <@Dagmar> http://www.2600.com/covers/su081.gif
21:01 <@SkyDog_> R3d2Dawn: Ah, I forgot about them coming down.
21:01 <@Dagmar> I've no idea WTF the elephant that's about to drop is supposed to be, aside from maybe digital radio
21:01 < R3d2Dawn> I was thinking it was representing the end of HOPE, maybe
21:01 <@tcstool> I think both those ideas are right
21:02 <@tcstool> Shit now I have to go get my issue out of the car and look, my eyes are too old for a crappy GIF :-)
21:02 < R3d2Dawn> Since my wife has been on bed rest I have had to take over her position which is basically at night and weekends
21:03 <@tcstool> How old are your kids?
21:03 < R3d2Dawn> 8 & 9, the ones visiting
21:03 < R3d2Dawn> my other is 2 and another on the way
21:03 < R3d2Dawn> I was thinking the radio represented the location of Hotel Penn, but not sure if it is though
21:03 <@Dagmar> R3d2Dawn: Nah, it's nothing to do with HOPE that I'm aware of.
21:04 <@tcstool> wow that's a handful!
21:04 <@Dagmar> Analog radio, as represented by the ancient shortwave unit, is definitely on it's way out.
21:04 <@Dagmar> It's got a longer expiration date than analog TV, but only by about a year or two
21:04 < R3d2Dawn> that could it then
21:04 <@Dagmar> I can't remember if it's 2010 or 2011
21:04 <@tcstool> tangent:  I'm pretty excited about the book they're releasing though
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21:05 < R3d2Dawn> So it maybe a few months before I can attend anymore 2600 meets
21:07 <@Dagmar> MartinCleaver: You might wanna consider setting an options argument in modprobe.conf to force that to a specific value
21:11 <@sdodson> If I had $1 for every time dagmar forgets how to  manipulate his irc windows...
21:11 < R3d2Dawn> How do you con a con artist?
21:12 < R3d2Dawn> dis regard that last
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21:18 <@ShadowHntr> lol dodson
21:18 <@ShadowHntr> R3d2Dawn: see the BBC TV series Hustle and you'll find out :)
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21:23 <@sdodson> I wonder if every videolan update being driven around security updates is a sign that media formats are one of the top vectors.
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21:38 <@ShadowHntr> lol
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21:38 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: that would make sense...
21:38 <@ShadowHntr> don't they have to run privileged code?
21:38 <@ShadowHntr> or is it all at user-level
21:39 < R3d2Dawn> Anyone seen this? http://dailydiy.com/2008/07/14/hacked-maker-made-usb-cable-storage-now-a-product/
21:40 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
21:40 <@ShadowHntr> no, but now i have... :)
21:48 <+sasquatc4> hah, yea, i remmember seein that in the mag
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21:57 <@ShadowHntr> i want a subscription to make
21:57 <@ShadowHntr> :)
22:00 <@brimstone> just read it online for free
22:10 <@ShadowHntr> thought it costs for a digital subscription
22:10 <@ShadowHntr> you can only get a few sample pages for free
22:10 < Synx_hm_> i got 29.5 MPG today
22:10 < Synx_hm_> i usually get 18!!!
22:10 < Synx_hm_> w00t
22:12 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm_: congrats
22:12 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm_: were you the one who msged me about opensolaris?
22:12 < Synx_hm_> nope
22:12 <@ShadowHntr> trying to remember who it was lol
22:13 <@ShadowHntr> guess i have to go digging through my logs heh :P
22:13 < Synx_hm_> ;)
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22:16 < Synx_hm_> my kitten keeps trying to eat my nose
22:16 < Synx_hm_> very strange kitten this one is
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22:51 <@ware>  STOP HITTING THE CAT WITH YOUR DICK
22:51 <@ware> wrong window
22:51 <@sdodson> whispering sweet nothings to timoguin?
22:51 <@ware> that fag doesnt know howto irc
22:55 <@brimstone> oh and you do? mister i-run-my-own-irc-server
22:55 <@ware> yah u no its rite
22:56 <@sdodson> alert: brimstone sounded like Shadow404
22:56 <@sdodson> baby jesus just cried
22:56 <@brimstone> brb, gonna go off myself
22:56 <@sdodson> brimstone: It's the responsible thing to do.
22:57 <@someninjamaster> ware whats the address for your irc server again
22:57 <@brimstone> 127.0.0.1
22:57 <@brimstone> for you at least someninjamaster
22:57 <@ware> msg'd
22:58 <@sdodson> i told a friend i'd wake up early and workout first thing in the morning, being AT WORK at 7am!
23:00 <@ware> u betta go2 sleep
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23:27 <@coil> hi
23:32 < mtown_ner1> Hi
23:34 <@coil> gu'
23:43 <@brimstone> sup/
23:43 <@coil> nm,
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