--- Log opened Sun Jul 13 00:00:26 2008
00:00 <@Dagmar> We need to add: !askingaboutsoftcampiracy !lyingaboutpiracyquestions !refusingtogiveastraightanswer !claimingtohavegoogledforhours and !notgooglingbeforeaskingandlyingaboutit
00:00 <@maco> lol
00:01 <@maco> some people have a serious lack of google-fu, however
00:01 <@maco> sometimes you just use all the wrong search terms
00:01 <@Dagmar> !claimingtohavegoogledforhours would get hit 20 times a day
00:01 <@Dagmar> maco: No, I do the stupidest kinds of Google search possible before I chide someone
00:01 <@Dagmar> ...and I *do* mean "chide".  Not "bitch out" not "call names" and not "deride egregiously"
00:01 <@coil> Dagmar: no
00:02 <@Dagmar> ...and they STILL act like I just stabbed them in the weenie with a wooden stake.
00:02 <@coil> diaf
00:02 <@Dagmar> If I can take the primary noun that was in their question, paste it into Google, and SEE the answer to their question in the summary of any of the first three links...
00:02 <@Dagmar> ...it's probably fucking Tuesday.
00:03 <@coil> tuesday?
00:03 <+MxZBot> tuesday is my chill night now..
00:03 <@coil> MxZBot: shutup
00:03 <+MxZBot> coil: no idea
00:03 <@maco> heh most people don't realize that google is good for more than porn
00:03 <@Dagmar> The "I've been googling for the last six hours and can't find anything" claim is almost always code for "I didn't google shit"
00:03 <@Dagmar> coil: Or Wednesday.  Or possibly Friday.
00:03 <@Dagmar> It's 2-3 times a week
00:03 <@maco> i was proud of my brother when he googled an ubuntu problem O_O
00:04 <@coil> lol
00:04 <@coil> maco
00:04 <@maco> he never googled a windows problem, just pestered me
00:04 <@coil> anyway to see an error log after ubuntu crashes?
00:04 <@Dagmar> Like, here's one realtime example
00:04 <@maco> what part crashed?
00:04 <@coil> everytghing
00:04 <@Dagmar> <phunyguy> well, still, libdvdcss isnt on the mythbox so nothign to compare there
00:04 <@coil> libdvdread
00:04 <@Dagmar> This is a dude who is trying to figure out why he can't get one machine to play DVDs while another one does fine.
00:05 <@Dagmar> It's the machine that supposedly works *correctly* he's trying to say libdvdcss *isn't* on.
00:05 <@Dagmar> I alreayd suggested he put away the bong, to which he replied he didn't smoke.
00:05 <@coil> haha
00:05 <@maco> dpkg --get-selections >> box1 ...same on box2.... diff box1 box2 ?
00:05 <@coil> why do you help
00:06 <@Dagmar> maco: I actually had to suggest comparing what's installed on each
00:07 <@maco> hmm i suppose a | sort would be useful in that situation as well
00:07 <@maco> since they *might* output in a different order
00:07 <@coil> sort?
00:07 <@coil> never heard that command
00:08 <@maco> i like "sort -u" ...sort uniquely, makes it so if there's lots of matching output you only see it once
00:09 <@maco> i dont know any of the other args...if i need them, that's what TFM is for
00:22 <@coil> i just used grep all these years
00:42 <@ware> NotLarry: ping
01:27 <@aestetix> ugh
01:27 <@aestetix> so tired
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03:20 <+baudburn> 3am wee
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05:42 <+baudburn> and now its 5:45 am.. jesus, where does the time go
07:55 <@aestetix> yo
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09:30 <+eryc> good morning!
09:31 <+eryc> you bitches in Church prayin for mercy?
09:31 <+eryc> i hope so!
10:00 <+AstralSin> mornin
10:19 <@SkyDog_> http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=167274&title=hooker-inspection
10:20 <@SkyDog_> ~minilink
10:20 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/comedycentral.com/4Or1i.jhtml
10:36 <@dc0de> wow, I woke to rumbling...
10:44 <+eryc> i got to be in an earthquake once
10:44  * eryc feels lucky
10:45 <@dc0de> eryc, what is the purpose and need for a church?
10:45 <+eryc> i know - you tell me
10:46 <+eryc> don't you know the answer already?
10:47 <@dc0de> eryc, I don't believe they are remotely necessary.  So no, I don't have your answer.
10:47 <+eryc> ah
10:47 <@aestetix> what's church
10:47 <+eryc> its very simple
10:47 <@aestetix> oh wait that's a southern concept
10:47 <+eryc> one day you will learn
10:48 <@dc0de> so eryc, you don't have an answer then.
10:48 <+eryc> i do.
10:48 <@aestetix> See, I like crosses as much as the next guy.
10:48 <@aestetix> I just prefer to have a naked woman strapped to it.
10:48 <@dc0de> aestetix, I agree...
10:48 <+eryc> i just dont think you want the answer.
10:49 <+eryc> therefore its up to you to find it
10:49 <+eryc> again, its simple
10:49 <+eryc> and its not god
10:49 <@dc0de> eryc, aside from stealing money from the ignorant?
10:50 <+eryc> stealing?
10:50 <+MxZBot> stealing is better
10:50 <+eryc> where does the stolen money go then?
10:50 <@dc0de> into the pockets of the people who are running the business.
10:50 <@sdodson> aestetix is funny, he likes to think he's always in the enlightened crowd
10:51 <+eryc> what people?
10:51 <+eryc> do you know them?
10:51 <@aestetix> sdodson: I am.
10:51 <@aestetix> It's just my definition of enlightened includes a water bong.
10:52 <@sdodson> aestetix: Whatever, there are plenty of church nuts in St.Louis and NYC
10:52 <+eryc> moderation is key
10:53 <+eryc> as is modulation!
10:53 <@aestetix> modulations?
10:53 <@aestetix> I've been trying to track down that video
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13:08 <+AstralSin> wtf, i can't write any files on my server, centos is telling me everything is a read only filesystem
13:09 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: mount -o remount,rw /
13:09 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: it does that when it detects a fault, for safety
13:10 <+AstralSin> mount: block device /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 is write-protected, mounting read-only
13:10 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: you might even want to do an fsck first
13:10 <+AstralSin> ugh
13:10 <+AstralSin> i don't feel like digging out a livecd to do that
13:10 <+AstralSin> i don't really wanna do it on a mounted fs
13:11 <+AstralSin> ive had bad experience with that
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> It's fine, as long as it's mounted ro
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> or you could reboot first
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> fsck on a live filesystem (read: rw) is dangerous
13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> but a ro filesystem is fine
13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Remember, on initial boot, the filesystem is mounted ro
13:13 <@Corydon76-dig> (which is when fsck at boot can happen and will be fine)
13:13 <+AstralSin> i need a kvm
13:14 <@sdodson> You don't need a livecd, the install cd should be sufficient.
13:14 <@sdodson> boot to rescue mode
13:15 <+AstralSin> like i remember where i put it
13:16 <@sdodson> I should never have told my parents that I'm on voip.
13:17 <@sdodson> Anytime i call them and there are line problems they think it's mine. For instance while I was talking to them just now they got really faint and neither of us could hear each other. So i decided to hang up and call again, now their phone rings busy and they say "the ip phone messed up our phone"
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13:51 <+AstralSin> grrr why is /sbin not in root's path by default on fedora/centos?
13:51 <+AstralSin> thats stupid
14:00 <@Jagobah> linux!
14:03 <@sdodson> AstralSin: It's part of root's path by default.
14:04 <+AstralSin> not on my box
14:04 <@sdodson> It's not part of normal users path by default and you don't know how to properly use su because you've been lobotomized by ubuntu
14:04 <@sdodson> How are you becoming root?
14:04 <+AstralSin> su
14:05 <@sdodson> you should use su -
14:05 <+AstralSin> wtf is the difference
14:05 <@sdodson> man su
14:05 <+AstralSin> thats why i fucking hate redhat shit, no one can ever explain why something is stupid
14:05 <@sdodson> It loads profiles.
14:05 <@Dagmar> Seriously.  Read the man page on that.  It's important.
14:06 <@Dagmar> AstralSin: Probably because the reasons are very complex
14:06 <@Dagmar> ...and 99% of the fuckers out there will NOT listen to a "long-winded" explanation.
14:06 <@sdodson> I agree that not having /sbin in the user's profiles is lame, but your non knowledge of su is lame too.
14:06 <+AstralSin> @sdodson | It loads profiles. <-- thats not complex
14:06 <+AstralSin> thats good enough an explanation
14:06 <@Dagmar> It's also only about 10% correct.
14:06 <@Dagmar> So no, it's the kind of explanation you give noobs to shut them up.
14:07 <+AstralSin> noobs wouldn't even know what it meant
14:07 <@Dagmar> ...but noobs will keep fishing for a short version of something that can't be explained quickly.
14:07 <@sdodson> The only reason i've heard given for not having /sbin in a normal user's path is "better security" which I read as "security through obscurity" and then I stop listening.
14:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah, that would be a wrong answer, too.
14:08 <@Dagmar> A more correct answer would be "there's no point" because the majority of what's in /sbin is only useful for the admin
14:08 <+AstralSin> not putting /sbin in the path as a security enhancement is a useless security measure
14:08 <@Dagmar> It's not a security measure.
14:09 <@Dagmar> Anyone who claims it is is smoking something.
14:09 <@sdodson> Right, it's bullshit reasoning but no one has ever provided a more compelling reason to me.
14:09 <@Dagmar> People trying to use it as that are delusional.
14:09 <@Dagmar> I'll provide a more compelling one.
14:09 <@Dagmar> Unlike /usr, there is the presumption that files which live in top level directories are going to be there when / is mounted.
14:10 <@Dagmar> At this crucial point of bringing the system up, the filesystem space is limited.
14:10 <@Dagmar> ...so only a small subset of things which *might* be necessary for doing adminly things to get the rest of the filesystems mounted (which likely involves getting the machine on the network)...
14:11 <@Dagmar> ...are going to be in /sbin.  These tools are separate from /bin because (damnit someone at the door)
14:11 <@sdodson> I understand why there's a difference between /usr/sbin and /sbin. I don't understand why /sbin is not included in standard user's profiles.
14:12 <@sdodson> And I gotta leave too, later.
14:12 <@sdodson> AstralSin: did you get your fs back rw?
14:12 <@Dagmar> It's because it's not needed by users normally.
14:12 <@Dagmar> It's as simple as that.
14:13 <@sdodson> i need ifconfig as a normal user
14:13 <@Dagmar> No, you actually don't.
14:13 <@Dagmar> You don't need to know the IP of the machine as a normal user.
14:13 <@Dagmar> You know the hostname.
14:13 <@Dagmar> That you *can* get the IP of it really doesn't bear on the problenm.
14:14 <+AstralSin> sdodson: yeah, i rebooted and it was fixed
14:14 <@Dagmar> DNS is there so you don't have to know it.
14:14 <@Dagmar> by the way... "profiles" as you've been referring to them, are a fiction.
14:15 <@Dagmar> The login shell is responsible for ccreating the initial environmental variables (if any, but usually just $TZ)
14:15 <@Dagmar> Beyond that, the user's shell is supposed to set up anything else that might be required.
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14:16 <@Dagmar> It's nice that the shell sources /etc/profile, but that's basically just the jumping off point for setting up some more complex environment variables and pestering someone about any new mail they might have
14:18 <@Dagmar> It's a bit like saying the wheels drive the car.
14:22 <@ware> Evilpig: ping
14:23  * eryc drives the %wheel
14:24 <+eryc> i like how /bin is a symlink
14:26 <+eryc> i think you might have some luck chown -R o-rwx /sbin and obtain thow wanted securitie..
14:27 <@Dagmar> whaaaa
14:28  * eryc grabs a trout
14:29 <+eryc> would that break something?
14:29 <+eryc> my guess is no
14:30 <+eryc> and /bin is a symlink on sol10
14:30 <@Dagmar> ldiamond: Buying a motherboard that has lots of SATA ports and RAID5 in the BIOS
14:30 <+eryc> who the hell
14:31  * eryc goes back to the outdoors
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15:43 <+eryc> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7501420.stm #  Apples beat pears
15:46 <+AstralSin> the most boring article ever created
15:50 <+eryc> "The 850m-circumference ring has 32 magnet clusters, or cells. Electrons turned by plain magnets produce 'standard' X-rays. Particles 'wiggled' at undulator magnets emit stronger X-rays. X-rays can't turn with electrons and head straight down beamlines."
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16:33 <@Evilpig> ware get that piece of trash mage away from me
16:33 <@ware> haha
16:47 <@Evilpig> how long til you have to use that soulstone?
16:47 <+AstralSin> woo! i just beat this kickass mame rom, King of Dragons
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18:10 <@I-MOD> Dagmar, there is no such thing as RAID anything in the bios in any consumer motherboard. i'm not kidding, they're lying to your face
18:11 <+eryc> well if you get a "server" motherboard you can have raid
18:11 <@I-MOD> you may configure the raid setup in the bios, but it requires a special driver that does all the computation of parity and handles all the writing of data
18:11 <@I-MOD> thats why i said consumer
18:11 <@I-MOD> server motherboards aren't really consumer motherboards
18:12 <@I-MOD> i didn't see a link to the board, so i assume he's getting BSRAID
18:12 <+eryc> ie. not sold at compusa
18:12 <@scort> I-MOD, is testing with cpuburn over night running 15 processes good enough to say that your cpu is good?
18:12 <+eryc> test with a screensaver
18:12 <@I-MOD> i'd run it for 24hrs
18:12 <@scort> oh
18:13 <@scort> 15 processes? or just 4?
18:13 <@I-MOD> how ever many cores you have
18:13 <@scort> k
18:13 <@sdodson> we call it FAKERAID or DMRAID
18:14 <@scort> coil_,
18:14 <@scort> stfu
18:14 <@sdodson> wtf you crackhead
18:14 <@scort> well what i did last night
18:14 <@scort> it was really cold in my rooom
18:14 <@scort> so i was thinking if i run a lot of cpuburn
18:14 <@scort> it would warm up my room a lil
18:15 <@scort> (yes i turned off the ac)
18:16 <+eryc> is it summer there?
18:16 <@sdodson> scort: blankets?
18:16 <@scort> it was still cold
18:16 <+eryc> windows?
18:16 <+MxZBot> windows is the sux
18:16 <+eryc> socks?
18:16 <+MxZBot> socks is welcome as well..
18:17 <@scort> no
18:17 <@scort> omg i can sit down now
18:18 <@scort> i've been standing or kneeling
18:18 <@scort> i got my chair back :)
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18:27 <+eryc> scort: do you live in a basement?
18:27 <@scort> apt
18:27 <@scort> well about 2 move
19:19 <+AstralSin> blah
19:19 <@ware> yuhp
19:19 <+AstralSin> im turning one of my usb drives into an encrypted volume
19:19 <@sdodson> herro
19:20 <@sdodson> ORLY?!
19:20 <+AstralSin> because i'm bored
19:23 <@ware> the entire thing?
19:23 <@ware> use a truecrypt file store on a FAT32 vol
19:23 <@ware> so you can use it on linux/windows or a machine without tc installed
19:24 <+AstralSin> i'll do both!
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19:37 <+AstralSin> ware: how do you use that file store?
19:37 <+AstralSin> oh wait, you gotta have tc for the filestore but you don't need it for the rest of the drive
19:37 <+AstralSin> i understand
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19:47 <@ware> yep
19:47 <@ware> then copy tc.exe and a couple .dll's to the drive and youre set
19:50 <@Dagmar> Hmm...
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19:50 <@Dagmar> Doesn't look like TN requires a motorcycle licence for the scooter I'm thinking about
19:50 <@Dagmar> This is good.
19:51 <@sdodson> Dagmar is a dirty hippy?
19:51 <@ware> hehe
19:52 <@oddball> well, he used to be the definition of Nashville yuppie
19:52 <@Dagmar> I can't imagine this raising my car insurance more than about 2%
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19:53 <@oddball> which scooter you thinking about getting?
19:53 <+AstralSin> ware: there's supposed to be something in the Tools menu that puts that stuff on the drive for you
19:54 <@ware> must be in the latest version
19:54 <@ware> it used to not
19:54 <+AstralSin> i don't see it in my version
19:55 <+AstralSin> http://portableapps.com/node/4072 <-- but thats where i read it
19:55 <@oddball> I was actually considering getting a scooter/motorcycle for work commute, but I'm already taking up 2 parking spaces here.
19:55 <@ware> 50% of the ppl at work have a motorcycle
19:55 <@ware> since gas prices have been going up
19:56 <+AstralSin> i wish i could buy a bike but i've got too much shit i've already gotta spend money on
19:56 <+AstralSin> i dread spending that initial cash for an apartment
19:57 <@oddball> of course, I'd have to commit to driving it for a number of years for it to actually be financially advantageous
19:58 <+AstralSin> ugh, why the hell do you have to restart windows after installing truecrypt
19:58 <@oddball> because it's windows?
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20:00 <@sdodson> I wonder if any of those numbnuts actually bother to compute the difference in milage needed to offset the cost of purchasing a new vehicle.
20:00 <+AstralSin> well, it all depends on how much they spend on it
20:01 <+AstralSin> you can usually get a decent older motorcycle for $3-5k
20:01 <+AstralSin> if they buy brand new, they're stupid anyway
20:02 <+AstralSin> ware: yeah, the newest windows version of truecrypt has the "Traveler Disk Setup" that installs the necessary crap on your thumbdrive to access the volume anywhere
20:03  * sdodson decides his desktop isn't adequately screwed up and does the rawhide dance again
20:04 <@oddball> sdodson: statistically, nope
20:04 <@oddball> (about the offset of gas money to cost of new ride)
20:18  * eryc looks bored
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20:56 <@Dagmar> For the record, the vehicle I'm looking at is one year old, has 2,500 miles on it (that's not a typo) and costs $1,300
20:57 <@Dagmar> It's pretty damn easy to break-even on that driving it one year, and that's if gas *doesn't* make it to $5/gal
20:57 <@Catonic> url?
20:57 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Find your own vehicle
20:57 <@Dagmar> 49cc scooters are like $2,000 brand new
20:57 <@Catonic> My bike was less than $100 and it's got less than 200 miles on it.
20:57 <@Dagmar> Provided you don't need to go over 35-40mph it's no problem at all to find them for less than that
20:58  * Catonic looks forward to jabbing Dagmar about driving a Vespa at PN0xnext
21:00 <@Dagmar> E-ton.
21:00 <@ware> yeah ill make fun too
21:00 <@ware> just fyi
21:00 <@ware> ;)
21:00 <@Catonic> Dagmar: knock him out and I'll help you feed the body into a woodchipper
21:04 <@Catonic> w00t. ARMs are causing $500k+ houses to become available. SPEND MORE MONEY!
21:05 <@Dagmar> Why rush into it now?
21:05 <@Dagmar> If I wait another year those same places will only cost $100l
21:06 <@Dagmar> er $100K
21:06 <@Catonic> trust me... this market is full of sharks
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21:11 <@Catonic> http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/07/killings_bring_police_to_five.html
21:11 <@Catonic> this, incidentally, is the same bar that I got jumped outside of.
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21:58 <@juice> hi
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22:07 <@sdodson> HI!
22:09 <@ware> oh hai seen u thar
22:09 <@sdodson> tonight is awesomez
22:10 <@sdodson> i haz worked out, cleaned my apt, made lunch for tomorrow, saved the world
22:28 <@rhia> oddball: http://www.designtoscano.com/product/garden+statues/fantasy+statues/assorted+creatures+outdoors/the+zombie+of+montclaire+moors+sculpture+-+db383020.do
22:28 <@rhia> ~minilink
22:28 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/designtoscano.com/HYbv8.do
22:30 <@ladymerlin> whee
22:34 <@dc0de> evening ladies.
23:10 <@dc0de> nite all
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23:14 <@juice> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUBxgdKZ_Y
23:30 <@juice> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqDLDm5jjDc&feature=related
23:48 <@coil> 1
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