--- Log opened Sat Jul 05 00:00:07 2008
--- Day changed Sat Jul 05 2008
00:00 <@Evilpig> hrmm.  I might be able to get you into this remotely.  give me a sec
00:00 <@Dagmar> Anyway, what generally gets people is that ARP will find a host and send packets to it because it did a broadcast to find the host because IT thought the host was actually on thet interface, but the host itself has a route that does NOT map the same way back
00:00 <@Dagmar> I'm sure I'm explaining this all fucked dxup
00:00 <@Dagmar> You shoul dbe able to just pastebin the routing table for the pfsense box
00:01 <@Evilpig> it's in an html formatted table....
00:01 <@Dagmar> Hell that's fine
00:01 <@Dagmar> I think I actually "see" the issue
00:01 <@Dagmar> I wasn't reading your diagram correctly
00:01 <@Dagmar> You're doing plain 1:1 NAT for these machiens
00:01 <@Dagmar> exchange, hotbox, and novell, right?
00:02 <@Evilpig> nope.  1:1 on the novell only
00:02 <@Evilpig> because it's port requirements are stupid
00:02 <@Dagmar> Did you remember to make the pfsense box Ah
00:02 <@Dagmar> You're just mapping ports for the other two?
00:03 <@Evilpig> ah?
00:03 <@Evilpig> yeah just ports on the other two
00:05 <@Dagmar> Okay so the thing that's sticking in my mind is that you're apparently doing 1:1 for novell, but *not* 1:1 for hotbox and exchange?
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00:05 <@Dagmar> That seems like where things might be going off the rails there.
00:06 <@Dagmar> 'cuz there's definitely a difference between what *could* be done to just forward those ports...
00:06 <@Dagmar> ...and just doing 1:1 for those two hosts as well, with all but a few ports blocked out
00:06 <@Dagmar> Yep
00:07 <@Dagmar> This is where it's going off the rails
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00:07 <@Dagmar> Okay, so $packet originates in #network, destined for 208.x.x.14
00:07 <@Evilpig> here this will help
00:07 <@Dagmar> $Packet goes to pfsense because that's the gateway and it's non-local traffic
00:07 <@Evilpig> http://pfsense.icscci.com
00:09 <@Dagmar> Wow how can you read this.  lol
00:09 <@Evilpig> the route table and shit?  told you it was whacky
00:10 <@Dagmar> Yep
00:10 <@Dagmar> Anywya, what's going on is probably this...
00:10 <@Evilpig> but now you can see what IPs I have and how it is really setup
00:10 <@sdodson> I hate when I get tight on rack space
00:10 <@Evilpig> btw <3 ProxyPass 
00:10 <@sdodson> and then something stupid happens like I can't put something in an open space because the equipment above it hangs down 1/1000th of an inch too low
00:11 <@Evilpig> I had that problem the other day
00:11 <@Dagmar> The $packet is headed to 208.x.x.14, gets to pfsense and it is likely trying to route it before masqung
00:12 <@Dagmar> Like, I could do this with linux, but I suspect this box is fucking it up because the interface makes it damn impossible to tell what's going on
00:12 <@Evilpig> I had it working with linux and iptables
00:12 <@Evilpig> but I really really need a working QoS setup
00:12 <@Dagmar> Can you reach the Novell box from the internal network?
00:12 <@Evilpig> no
00:12 <@Evilpig> I can hit it by it's internal address just fine
00:12 <@Evilpig> just not the public
00:12 <@Dagmar> Okay, so basically routing from the internal network to the sort-of-DMZ'd hosts is broken
00:13 <@Dagmar> sort-of-dmz'd hosts == novell, hotbox, exchange
00:13 <@Evilpig> novell is the only dmz'd.  hotbox and exchange just have ports open
00:14 <@Dagmar> The translation rules aren't in the right place on the packet path
00:14 <@sdodson> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1319966,00.html heh, and we don't even have that much power saving stuff in rhel5
00:14 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to not sound retarded when I say this
00:14 <@Dagmar> I'm about to be off work and I'll probably just call you and jibber until it makes sens
00:14 <@Dagmar> e
00:14 <@Evilpig> works for me
00:14 <@Dagmar> I'm looking at this interface trying to spot something obvious that will prod the right parts
00:14 <@Evilpig> it's something small and way obvious.  I agree
00:15 <@Dagmar> I would say, and this will be ugly to fix, but there's a good chance that this "Automatic outbound NAT rule generation (IPsec passthrough)" switch is fucking you right in the ear
00:16 < dasunt> Geek porn:  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/index-pl.html
00:16 <@Dagmar> It's also possible that "Block private networks" is fucking you
00:16 <@Evilpig> I turned that off once and it didn't help
00:17 <@Evilpig> I am thinking about trying to add a static route and seeing what happens
00:17 <@Dagmar> 'cuz, for example, Linux netfilter rules ALWAYS match the "real" IP of the original packet
00:17 <@sdodson> dasunt: I dunno about you, but the porn i look at is... well it's porn.
00:17 <@Dagmar> ...even if the source has been changed by a masquerading rule, it does something weird to avoid that making certain topologies impossible.
00:17 <@sdodson> though, i like the gothic theme, guess I should turn up the marilyn manson or something
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00:18 <@Dagmar> The end result being that with a setup like this, where *technically* the packets are likely to make it all the way to the routing/firewalling chains for the external interfacce before turning around and coming back in... that "Block private networks" option is murdering them on the spot
00:19 <@Dagmar> Shit like this is why there's times I very, very vastly prefer just using a cheap-ass Linux box over some candy-coated interface.
00:19 <@Dagmar> It might be "wall of text" land and "OMG numbers!" but at least you can see exactly what's being done when
00:19 <@Evilpig> have you tried to do qos with just straight up iptables?  it's a fuckin' nightmare
00:19 <@Dagmar> Yes, I have, but that's mainly because QoS is insanity
00:19 <@Dagmar> It doesn't really get any simpler
00:20 <@Dagmar> I think you're going to have to manually declare rules for both the internal and the external interface
00:20 <@Dagmar> ...because automatic route generation is likely to fuck up just because you've kinda got a path that goes out and then right back in
00:21 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't mean "route" in the strict sense there
00:21 <@Dagmar> Like, rule #1 on the WAN interface is definitely to drop private network addresses
00:22 <@Evilpig> I took that out a few minutes ago and it was still having the problem
00:22 <@Dagmar> If this is doing like iptables does, and those packets are passing through the chain for the wan interface, they're being dropped right then and there
00:22 <@Dagmar> Can you simplify this and get it working *just* for having the internet access these hosts?
00:23 <@Dagmar> ...as in completely leave the internal network out of the picture for the time being, and apply all routes and rules explicitly to the WAN interface only
00:23 <@Evilpig> the internet can access them now
00:24 <@Evilpig> actually.  one sec.  I can dump 99% of that since i have the config saved
00:24 <@Dagmar> Is there an option in this thing I'm not seeing to just chuck some log targets in at the end of chains?
00:25 <@Evilpig> make a rule that just has it set as log
00:25 <@Evilpig> okay rules have all been dumped
00:25 <@Dagmar> Well, it's a matter of *which* rule
00:26 <@Dagmar> Wow this interface is evil
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00:31 <@Evilpig> dolemite this pfsense is killing me
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00:44 <@Evilpig> it's almost like it doesn't realize it has that IP.  looking at the arp requests it is telling itself that it has the IP
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01:09 <@Dagmar> Damn I've bee dialing the wrong goddamn number
01:09 <@Dagmar> You said these hosts were on a switch?
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04:07 < baudburn> 4am woo
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04:15 <@aestetix> word
04:15 <@aestetix> up all night coding again
04:17 <@dc0de> nah, up early shipping the wife and kids out.
04:20 < baudburn> yep, another late night
05:02 <@dc0de> ahh, got rid of the kids and wife! three weeks of bachelorhood!
05:03 < baudburn> 5am woo
05:10 <@Catonic> aaarg
05:10  * Catonic is in want of sleep that doesn't come
05:18 <@aestetix> vagina
05:21 <@Catonic> btdt.
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06:06 < baudburn> 6am woo
06:06 < wolfen_at_max> blah
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07:05 < baudburn> woo, 7am
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07:23 <@Evilpig> ugh 5 hours of sleep.  I need to go back to bed
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07:36 <@aestetix> hey
07:36 <@aestetix> anyone here worked with PHP and oracle?
07:36 <@aestetix> specifically, the mdb2 wrapper
07:56 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: the pfsense guys solved it.
08:00 <@aestetix> ok
08:00 <@aestetix> I'm doing a query on something in oracle
08:00 <@aestetix> it's returning an empty set
08:01 <@aestetix> I'm trying to compare $result->numRows() to 1, and it's giving me an error
08:01 <@aestetix> when it should just be failing the compare and going to the else statement
08:01 <@aestetix> anyone run into this before?
08:05 <@Evilpig> never used oracle myself.  at least not on the programming end.  just had to install connectors to it for a few windows boxes
08:11 <@sdodson> I continue to feel like shit after a week of being sick
08:25 <@aestetix> figured it out
08:25 <@aestetix> needed to use rowCount
08:25 <@aestetix> now I'm trying to figure out how to do a timestamp
08:26 <@aestetix> the project where I already have a strict deadline is now converting from mysql to oracle
08:26 <@aestetix> fun times
08:26 <@sdodson> Too bad you didn't use adodb
08:28 <@aestetix> I will say
08:28 <@aestetix> oracle is way better than mysql
08:29 <@sdodson> How's that?
08:31 <@aestetix> The interface isn't broken, it handles stored procedures much better, it can handle way more simultaneous connections,  uh
08:32 <@aestetix> I'd say it handles errors and has better failsafe, but I haven't gone far enough into it to know
08:32 <@aestetix> one of the guys on my team has several years of experience with it
08:32 <@Evilpig> it can do some interesting things with data.
08:32 <@aestetix> yeah
08:32 <@aestetix> faster data indexing, which means we can do complex data analysis
08:32 <@sdodson> It's definitely better about only accepting data in proper format
08:32 <@Evilpig> friend of mine works at ibm doing support on it.  he has told me some interesting shit
08:33 <@sdodson> mysql seems to enjoy taking text strings into integer fields and happily converting it to some random number without telling you.
08:33 <@sdodson> That's an exaggeration but you get the point.
08:34 <@aestetix> yeah
08:34 <@sdodson> If you'd doing data analysis I suggest you have a data warehouse and not do your analysis on raw transactional data
08:35 <@aestetix> sdodson: we will be doing that too
08:35 <@aestetix> we are doing like three levels of data analysis
08:35 <@sdodson> Write some cubes!
08:35 <@aestetix> some very basic frequency analysis
08:35 <@aestetix> and some more complex stuff.... we have a grad student working on that
08:37 <@sdodson> so i feel decent but still every time i swallow i get that "you're sick" feeling in my throat
08:38 <@aestetix> sigh
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09:57  * sdodson gets bored and wonders how folks feel about virtual machine memory over commit
09:57  * sdodson wonders if windows can cope with hotplugging memory without an addon baloon driver
10:05  * brimstone commits sdodson
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10:34  * sdodson is not amused by brimstone 
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10:53 <@ware> wee
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11:22 < dc0de_> sweet, irc on my blackberry
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12:02 <@sdodson> apparently, despite being 6'5" Bill O'Reilly has his guests' chairs adjusted down so that he's always significantly taller than them
12:07 < AstralSin> bill o'reilly is a cocksucker
12:24 <@sdodson> ^^ apparently from some show on o'reilly from former guests, anyone know when/where it aired?
13:15 <@sdodson> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/bush_tours_america_to_survey
13:18 <@sdodson> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play
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13:31 <@ware> yH
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13:45 <@coil> sdodson: lol
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14:06 <@Evilpig> blizzard is awesome sometimes
14:07 <@coil> no it's not
14:07 <@ware> ycuz
14:07 <@Evilpig> The Blizzard titles registered to your account are displayed below, along with their game keys and download controls (if available). Once registered, you can download and play the game from any computer. As this is a new feature, not all titles are available for download at this time. 
14:07 <@Evilpig> The following games are supported by the Games page at this time:
14:07 <@Evilpig>     *         StarCraft, StarCraft Battlechest, StarCraft Anthology
14:07 <@Evilpig>     *         Warcraft III, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, Warcraft Battlechest
14:07 <@Evilpig>     *         Diablo II, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, Diablo II Battlechest (Diablo II downloads will be made available soon)
14:08 <@Catonic> man my tits hurt
14:08 <@Evilpig> just registered all my old serial numbers and now I don't have to worry about the CDs anymore
14:08 <@scort> valve did that years ago
14:13 <@Evilpig> but the old valve games suck.
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14:24 <@brimstone> bite your tounge sir!
14:24 <@brimstone> tfc rocked
14:45 <@rhia> tennessee fried chicken
14:50  * coil grumbles
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15:13 <@Catonic> anyone going to defcon?
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15:43 <@sdodson> whoops, i just toasted a pita for 2 hours
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16:22 <@sdodson> "On his ninth studeo album, the follow-up to Hip-Hop is Dead, Nas turns his mission from saving hip-hop to saving humanity."  That's about as inspiring as realizing Bush is our president.
16:22 <@ware> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25542532/
16:24 <@sdodson> ware: that's what youtube does!
16:24 <@ware> ya
16:24 <@ware> down wif utoob
16:24 <@coil> ?
16:31 <@ware> coil: ignored.
16:31 <@sdodson> Are you supposed to light the sugar cube when making absinthe or just drizzle the water?
16:32 <@ladymerlin> light it
16:34 <@sdodson> so, place the cube, pour absinthe over it, light it, once the fire dies down pour water over it slowly?
16:34 <@ladymerlin> yup
16:34 < AstralSin> soak the cube in absinthe, light it let it burn out then drizzle water over the sugar cube
16:34 < AstralSin> don't pour absinthe over it, dunk it in the glass
16:35 < AstralSin> otherwise you start to melt it too soon
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17:47 <@coil> sht the fuk up
17:53 <@ware> sdodson: whos drinking absthine?
17:53 <@ware> its legal in TN now
17:56 <@maco> its legal in the US in general now, isn't it
17:56 <@coil> who cares
18:01 < AstralSin> yeah, its legal everywhere
18:01 < AstralSin> sdodson: what brand are you drinking? is it one of the 2 now legal in the US or was it imported?
18:01 <@coil> do they sell it in liquor stores yet?
18:01 < AstralSin> actually, only 2 brands are legal to be distributed in the US, but you can import absinthe from anywhere
18:01 < AstralSin> yeah
18:01 <@coil> wormwood?
18:01 < AstralSin> the two you can buy in liquor stores are Kubler and Lucid
18:01 < AstralSin> yep
18:02 <@coil> it makes you trip?
18:02 < AstralSin> no, it doesn't make you hallucinate.. at least it didn't make me hallucinate
18:02 < AstralSin> the lady at the liquor store told me someone came in and told her he was seeing lights and shit
18:02 < AstralSin> its a pretty interesting drink, nevertheless
18:02 < AstralSin> you gotta like liquorice though
18:02 <@coil> oh
18:02 <@coil> ew
18:03 < AstralSin> it'll get you fuckin hammered, its 106 proof
18:03 <@coil> awww
18:03 <@maco> oh, its anise flavored?
18:03 <@coil> i love that word
18:04 < AstralSin> yep
18:04 < AstralSin> i had the Kubler brand, its pretty good
18:04 < AstralSin> you don't really drink it straight, drizzle water in it and its much more palatable
18:05 < AstralSin> i even got to the point where i didn't put sugar in it
18:05 < AstralSin> but i might for the Lucid brand, its dutch (green) while Kubler is Swiss (clear)
18:05 < AstralSin> the dutch variety is supposedly alot more bitter than the swiss variety
18:06 < AstralSin> its an interesting experience, if you can afford it
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18:30 <@sdodson> i don't remember what brand it was
18:33 < AstralSin> do you remember what it looked like?
18:34 < AstralSin> was it a black bottle or a clear one
18:34 < AstralSin> of course, it may be neither one of the ones you can buy in stores, they may have ordered it from europe or something
18:35 < AstralSin> from what i hear, thats the way to go, but its very expensive
18:39 <@sdodson> I imagine it was very expensive.
18:40 <@sdodson> It was a complete set. Two glasses, rakes, sugar, liquour and a prohibition poster.
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18:54 <@coil> sdodson:
18:54 <@coil> f9
18:54 <@coil> does it have compiz?
18:54 < AstralSin> sdodson: neat
18:58 <@coil> diaf
19:22 <@sdodson> coil: of course
19:22 <@coil> they have a package system like apt?
19:22 <@sdodson> coil: Of course.
19:22 <@coil> is that yum?
19:23 <@sdodson> I mean, it's not slackware or something degenerate like that.
19:23 <@coil> good
19:23 <@coil> slackware dont have no pkgmgr
19:23 <@maco> yes it does
19:23 <@maco> slapt-get
19:23 <@coil> oh
19:23 <@coil> well i haven't used it in like a year
19:23 <@sdodson> coil: packages are rpms, rpms are managed by the tool rpm, yum handles repos of packages and depsolving.
19:23 <@maco> was only reminded of this recently when reading about Wolvix
19:23 <@sdodson> If you're using F9 then you'll just use PackageKit.
19:24 <@coil> so i can search and install packages?
19:24 <@coil> im getting fed up with ubuntu crashing and not starting up all the tim
19:25 <@sdodson> coil: Yes, of course.
19:26 <@maco> you could use debian
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19:28 <@coil> i have debian on my x86 laptop
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20:09 < eryc> greetings
20:09 <@coil> hi eryc best buddy
20:25 < eryc> hey whats up
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20:56 <@sdodson> coil: so how's fedora going?
20:58 <@coil> im not at home
20:59 <@sdodson> bummer
21:00 <@coil> i need another hd
21:00 <@coil> i really need to format my server
21:00 <@sdodson> don't make excuses
21:00 <@coil> and i really need to find a place to stay
21:00 <@sdodson> So why's it crashing?
21:01 <@coil> no idea
21:01 <@coil> it's not crashing
21:01 <@coil> it just doesn't come back after leaving it on at night
21:01 <@coil> and it doesn't boot either most of the time
21:19 <@Evilpig> sounds like some type of hardware failure.  but then again I never have done software raid 5
21:20 <@coil> im not doing raid though
21:20 < AstralSin> is it overheating?
21:20 <@coil> i've tested the ram, and it's not overheating
21:20 < AstralSin> could be a fucked up power supply
21:20 <@coil> i just bought a 650w power supply
21:20 <@coil> antec earth watss
21:21 <@coil> watts
21:21 <@coil> i have a 450w in it right now
21:21 < AstralSin> i'd throw that 650 in there and see what happens
21:21 < AstralSin> i need to fix the software raid on my server
21:21 <@coil> but paypal charged me twice for that
21:21 < AstralSin> contact them, they should fix it
21:22 <@coil> so i need to find out if they got two payemnt
21:22 <@coil> or go kill paypal
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22:51 < AstralSin> damn storms
23:00 <@ladymerlin> whee
23:06 <@coil> hi
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23:16 <@ware> wee
23:17 < AstralSin> whats up
23:18 <@coil> nm
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23:52 <@ware> WoW
23:53 <@ware> and WiNe
23:53 <@ware> wish i had some STrAnGE
23:53 <@ware> or CHeeSE / CrACKerS
23:53 <@coil> no
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