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05:02 <@dc0de> wheeee!
05:12 <@ShadowHntr> sup dc0de
05:12 <@dc0de> getting ready to go to the Memorial Day parade in Dacula...
05:13 <@dc0de> worked all weekend on the Float for the Webelos Troop 529, and have to go to walmart for some last minute items...
05:13 <@dc0de> we need 'L' brackets, a can of green spray paint, four turnbuckles, and some guy wire, or thin rope.
05:14 <@dc0de> we're meeting at 7AM in the church parking lot where the parade starts, to assemble the float.
05:14 <@dc0de> so, I'm kinda busy.... :), You?
05:15 <@dc0de> Oh, and just finished burning a CD of patriotic songs...
05:27 <@ShadowHntr> dc0de: sure there isn't an R in that name? ;)
05:27 <@ShadowHntr> cool
05:27 <@ShadowHntr> your kids in scouts?
06:30 < shadow404> well, stuck in the noc today on memorial day, but its not all bad, i brought my ps3 and im playing the new gta
06:44 <@ShadowHntr> sweet
06:44 <@ShadowHntr> set it up on a projector or something :)
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06:48 < shadow404> yeah, we are using one of the status center lcd, 52 inch flat screen
06:48 < shadow404> since theres only 3 of us, we dont need both fo them for the whole noc
08:25 -!- polerin changed the topic of #se2600 to: R.I.P. Robert Lynn Asprin | The Last HOPE, July 18-20, 2008 http://www.thelasthope.org
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09:15 <@sdodson> R.I.P. deez nutz
09:16 <@sdodson> hmm, wait that sounds wrong
09:16 <@sdodson> my nutz are fine, no R.I.P.
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09:32 <@sdodson> Apparently palm is going to be putting out a phone that doesn't look like a 1990s relic
09:38 <@sdodson> "It is a cool feature in Firefox 3, but I suggest reserving the term “game-changing” for features that Firefox implements earlier than other widely-used browsers, rather than eight years later."
09:54 <@tzanger> sdodson: yeah but it's still 2G
09:54 <@tzanger> and 320x320
09:55 <@tzanger> I can't believe how badly palm fucked the dog, not only once, but multiple times
09:59 <@sdodson> yay it uses standard usb connector, that's probably a function of the chinese or japanese requiring all new phones sold in their country to use standard USB, but it's still cool
09:59  * sdodson hates hates hates random cables
09:59  * sdodson eyes Apple
10:04 <@tzanger> sdodson: amen to that
10:05 <@sdodson> the only downside is that you lose an entire market of cheap ass chargers sold at $30 a piece now that everything is a standard
10:05 <@tzanger> I was helping my wife write a paper last night
10:06 <@tzanger> and interestingly I have come to the conclusion that Microsoft either does not know its core competencies or does not use them
10:06 <@sdodson> What's the paper's topic? sounds interesting.
10:06 <@tzanger> one of the tests is whether they can use their core competencies to break into multiple marketplaces
10:06 <@sdodson> How can you know with a company that huge?
10:06 <@sdodson> she an MBA student?
10:07 <@tzanger> and Microsfot has failed at every attempt to break into anything other than operating systems and office software, and even that is only there due to what I believe *is* one of their core competencies, vendor lock-in
10:07 <@tzanger> sdodson: kind of; she's going for her CGA (public accountant designation) -- it's very very similar to MBA, which is CMA here (certified management accountant)
10:08 <@tzanger> and then I looked at MSFT and AAPL on google, and stretched the time otu to max
10:08 <@tzanger> since both companies were created around the same time
10:08 <@tzanger> the visual is surprising, at least to me
10:08 <@tzanger> and also interesting is that in the 90s, MSFT and AAPL were exactly reversed to what is going on today
10:08 <@sdodson> the search frequency?
10:08 <@tzanger> "search frequency" ?
10:09 <@tzanger> AAPL has very solidly found their core competencies, they have broken into several diverse markets, and all pretty recently
10:09 <@sdodson> People like to do that with Fedora vs Ubuntu a lot. I just assume people search for Ubuntu more frequently because their users are generally less knowledgable and the OS more flakey.
10:09 <@sdodson> What'd you compare on google?
10:09 <@tzanger> no, look up stock tickers for MSFT and AAPL
10:09 <@sdodson> h
10:09 <@tzanger> and stretch the graph time to "max"
10:10 <@sdodson> ~stock aapl
10:10 <+MxZBot> wish i knew, sdodson
10:13 <@tzanger> nno use the google graphs
10:13 <@tzanger> it's got a really nice graph interface
10:14 <@tzanger> it is (to me, I am no MBA, I'm a techie) that microsoft is struggling to maintain its dominance at all costs, and apple is doing exceptionally well
10:17 <@sdodson> Apple is simple, they understand their core and it drives everything.
10:18 <@tzanger> sdodson: as I said, they have solidly identified their core competencies and as you said, it drives their entire corporation
10:18 <@tzanger> I did not intend to write the paper that way, it just kind of came to me as I found other examples of companies which worked with their core competencies, thse that didn't, etc.
10:18 <@tzanger> but yeah... MS has failed at every attempt to break into consumer electronics
10:19 <@tzanger> Xbox, Xbox360, zune, WebTV...
10:19 <@tzanger> windows mobile took TEN YEARS to get to 5% market share, and they were failing against Palm, a company that couldn't find it's fucking arse with both hands and a flashlight
10:20 <@sdodson> Why do you consider xbox to be a failure?
10:20 <@tzanger> sdodson: they're all sold at a loss, and MS has lost many, many millions on it (it's not a successfull business unit, it's subsidized by their OS/office divisions)
10:21 <@tzanger> I think there were a few other ventures too, I have to think about it, I knwo they had a few TV attempts
10:22 <@tzanger> but yeah, me not being any kind of business guy.. I think that their core competency has to do with their ability to lock up a market and then force upgrades
10:22 <@sdodson> Console money isn't in the console itself, lets be clear about that.
10:22 <@tzanger> depends on the console
10:22 <@tzanger> wii is sold at a profit, as are all the games
10:22 <@sdodson> I wager that the wii is an exception to the rule.
10:22 <@tzanger> I agree
10:23 <@sdodson> I imagine most consoles are sold at a loss or at marginal profit, atleast initially
10:23 <@tzanger> however I think that Nintendo has never sold at a loss.. I don't know, though
10:23 <@tzanger> NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, Gameboy/GBA/DS... I am pretty sure they're all sold at profit
10:23 <@sdodson> It'd be interesting to see. If anything I imagine N64 was sold at a loss, cube and wii probably not as they're essentially old tech.
10:23 <@tzanger> virtual boy failed miserably
10:24 <@tzanger> I still have my N64, my 7yo kicks my ass at mario kart regularly :-)
10:24 <@sdodson> was that lcd segments on fixed orientations?
10:25 <@tzanger> sdodson: the virtual boy?  It was monochrome (red) and just a pain to try and use...  I don't recall much, just reading up on n64 on wp
10:26 <@tzanger> playstation was far more popular than n64
10:26 <@tzanger> 102.49M PS vs 32.9M (1st to 2nd place, that's quite a gap)
10:26 <@sdodson> there was a program on about this last night
10:27 <@sdodson> apparently PS games were significantly cheaper due to use of optical media
10:27 <@tzanger> yes
10:27 <@tzanger> roms are expensive
10:27 <@sdodson> Expensive and they take a while to ramp up
10:27 <@tzanger> far cheaper to press a disc than assemble a circuit board and encase in plastic
10:27 <@tzanger> yes\
10:27 <@tzanger> but they're indestructible :-)
10:27 <@sdodson> Ya, just gotta take it out 50 times and blow on it until duck hunt loads.
10:28 <@tzanger> haha that's after much playing
10:28 <@tzanger> compare that to a cd
10:28 <@tzanger> taking the same amount of abuse by pizza faced 13 year olds
10:28 <@sdodson> mmm pizza
10:31 <@tzanger> hmm I am gonna have to check out the N64 indiana jones game
10:31 <@tzanger> apparently it really pushes the limits of the n64
10:32 <@sdodson> Like it just came out?
10:32 <@sdodson> or for the last movie?
10:34 <@tzanger> no no back in the day indiana jones and the infernal machine
10:58 <@sdodson> “It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.”  <--- why I'm always right!
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11:30 <@dasunt> sdodson: That reminds me, someone on the internet told me that I live in a crappy apartment.
11:31 <@dasunt> This is the same guy that considers $100k/year to be a requirement for middle class.
11:31 <@dasunt> Its fucking hillarious.
11:31 <@sdodson> dasunt: get a job!
11:31 <@sdodson> I wish I made $100k
11:31 <@dasunt> sdodson: You aren't middle class.  :(
11:32 <@dasunt> That's okay, neither am I.
11:32 <@sdodson> i feel that way sometimes.
11:32 <@dasunt> If my apartment is any exasmple, you can only afford a two bedroom duplex that takes up one floor, complete with new tile floors, dedicated parking, its own back yard with a fire pit, and newer kitchen cabinets.
11:32 <@dasunt> But it is only one full bath.
11:33 <@sdodson> how much is that per month?
11:33 <@dasunt> $750 up here.
11:33 <@dasunt> Not too bad.
11:33 <@dasunt> Plus utilities.
11:33 <@dasunt> I'm happy with it, even though in the cold winter months, utilities run about $200.
11:34 <@sdodson> for all that?
11:34 <@sdodson> that's nice
11:34 <@dasunt> Well, I live near the old city center of a suburb.
11:35 <@dasunt> So I'm in walking distance of shopping and restaurants, instead of being miles away in a subdivision with winding roads, 1 acre lawns, and no sidewalks.
11:35 <@dasunt> For some reason, the rent out there is more expensive.
11:36 <@sdodson> Man watching Suze Orman is degrading.
11:36 <@sdodson> "Ya, so I make $150k and I'm two million dollars in debt"
11:37 <@dasunt> Don't you want to beat those people?
11:37 <@sdodson> i don't understand debt
11:38 <@dasunt> Or force them to work in as a bagger in a supermarket?
11:38 <@dasunt> sdodson: AFAICT, buying a house/reliable car/degree (in a good field) is responsible debt.
11:39 <@dasunt> Buying a mansion/expensive car/useless degree/vacation/party clothing/entertainment is idiotic debt.
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14:44 < ware> storms ftl
15:05 < ware> hot whiskey toddy ftw
15:09 <+coil> stfu ftw
15:33 < shadow404> stuck at work ftl
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16:14 < AstralSin> aw man, i hope my power doesn't go out
16:14 < AstralSin> i've got ribs in the oven
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16:19 <@dc0de> ouch, sunburn
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19:14 <@brimstone> what, i can't have a 9 letter login name to opensolarius
19:14 <@brimstone> !?
19:14 <@brimstone> *opensolaris
19:14 <@brimstone> where's ShadowHntr?
19:14 <+coil> brimstone:
19:14 <+coil> oh that's 9 letters?
19:14 <@ShadowHntr> brimstone: yo
19:14  * coil counts
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> my login on opensolaris.org is sentinel
19:15 <@brimstone> this is to the local system
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> not sure
19:15 <@brimstone> says it can't be more then 8 letters
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> hmmm...
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> never tried that.
19:15 <@brimstone> i'm just trolling
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> well cut it out :P
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> i don't know you well enough to not take it personally :P
19:15 <+coil> its a trap
19:15 <@brimstone> :P
19:17 <@ShadowHntr> was gonna say check out #opensolaris and #os200805
19:17 <+coil> how do i install solaris
19:17 <+coil> can i do that?
19:19 <@ShadowHntr> install opensolaris?
19:19 <@ShadowHntr> yes there's an icon on the desktop to install it
19:19 <@ShadowHntr> at least in Indiana
19:20 <+coil> i mean on like a pc system
19:20 <@ShadowHntr> oh
19:20 <@ShadowHntr> boot from the cd
19:20 <+coil> so its possilbe
19:20 <@ShadowHntr> yeah
19:20 <@brimstone> it's really similar to the ubuntu installer so far
19:21 <@ShadowHntr> solaris x86 has been around for a pretty long time.
19:21 <+coil> i never paid attention
19:21 <+coil> so it's a good os?
19:21 <+coil> what are the benefits to it?
19:21 <@ShadowHntr> should i answer that question, or are you just trolling
19:22 <+coil> no i want to know
19:22 <@ShadowHntr> let's see
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> DTrace is a really cool dynamic tracing framework
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> to optimize performance
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> it has self-healing of services
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> the best NFS support anywhere
19:23 <+coil> it's more server?
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> yes but it's moving forward in the desktop realm as well
19:24 <+coil> 64bit support?
19:24 <@ShadowHntr> yeap
19:24 <+coil> word
19:24 <@ShadowHntr> opensolaris.com
19:26 <+coil> so it would run well
19:26 <@ShadowHntr> yes
19:26 <+coil> erm, is there an supported hardware list
19:26 <@ShadowHntr> yes
19:26 <@ShadowHntr> just a minute
19:26 <+coil> i need to find out if my raid card will work
19:26 <@ShadowHntr> what do you have
19:26 <@ShadowHntr> oh
19:26 <@ShadowHntr> check out ZFS and RAIDZ
19:27 <+coil> cuz it works with freebsd flawlessley
19:27 <+coil> but it doesn't work at all with linux
19:27 <@ShadowHntr> with zfs it often performs better with RAIDZ vs. hardware RAID
19:27 <+coil> mm
19:27 <+coil> hmm*
19:27 <@ShadowHntr> what do you have
19:27 <@ShadowHntr> chipset, manufacturer, etc.
19:27 <+coil> highpoint
19:27 <+coil> let me get the chipset number
19:27 <@ShadowHntr> you know who makes the chipset
19:27 <@ShadowHntr> god
19:27 <@ShadowHntr> good even
19:28 <+coil> huh
19:28 <+coil> lspci didn't pick it up?
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19:28 <@ShadowHntr> is it an SAS controller? SATA? SCSI?
19:29 <+coil> 01:09.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT372A/372N [1103:0005] (rev 02)
19:29 <+coil> sataI
19:29 <@ShadowHntr> hmmmm...
19:29 <@ShadowHntr> never heard of that one
19:29 <+coil> it's highpoint rocketraid
19:29 <@ShadowHntr> but i may be able to look it up
19:29 <+coil> hpt372a
19:29 <+coil> is the chipset
19:29 <@ShadowHntr> check out opensolaris.org and .com
19:29 <@ShadowHntr> :)
19:30 <+coil> ips?
19:30 <+coil> is that like apt?
19:30 <@ShadowHntr> yeah new packaging system
19:30 <@ShadowHntr> well as in it can get packages from remote repositories, but different syntax.
19:31 <+coil> oh shit five oh just rolled by
19:31 <+coil> who pissed them off
19:31 <@ShadowHntr> lol
19:31 <@ShadowHntr> coil: go download opensolaris 2008.05 and boot from it
19:31 <@ShadowHntr> see if it detects your hardware
19:31 <@ShadowHntr> it's a live cd which can do a full install later on
19:31 <+coil> is it a livecd?
19:31 <+coil> oh
19:31 <+coil> duh let me open up my eyes
19:32 <@ShadowHntr> there's an icon on the desktop to install to disk
19:33 <+coil> nice speeds im getting
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> yeah they got some nice tubes ;)
19:33 <+coil> i think it's maxing out my download
19:33 <+coil> i just got upgraded to 15mb
19:33 <+coil> im getting 1.3M
19:34 <+coil> er was
19:34 <@ShadowHntr> cool
19:34 <@ShadowHntr> :D
19:42 <+coil> it's almost done :D
19:53 <@ShadowHntr> rock on
19:55  * coil looks for a cd
19:56 <+coil> i dont see a md5sum
19:57  * dc0de is patiently waiting ... just another 2:30 seconds
19:57 <@dc0de> 2:09
19:58 <+coil> ?
19:59 <+coil> for what
19:59 <@dc0de> andromeda strain
19:59 <+coil> never heard of it
19:59 < tcstool_> That looked pretty good
19:59 <@dc0de> it's on A&E
19:59 < tcstool_> Looked like it stayed pretty close to the book
20:00 <@dc0de> yeah... I have to go up to my bedroom to watch it, because my kids are taking over the downstairs to watch cartoons.
20:01 <@ShadowHntr> dc0de: i got it on the computer
20:01 <@ShadowHntr> it was good
20:01 <@ShadowHntr> and i liked both the book and the 1978 film
20:02 <@ShadowHntr> er
20:02 <@brimstone> 85% copying live cd contents
20:02 <@ShadowHntr> s/1978/1971
20:02  * coil races brimstone 
20:02 <@dc0de> ShadowHntr: sweet, I'm looking forward to it.
20:02 <+coil> my cd is almost done
20:08 <+coil> brimstone: i kinda like rhythmbox
20:09 <+coil> it hasn't pissed me off yet
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20:29 <@JimShoe> how does rhythmbox work with podcasts?
20:31 <@sdodson> Via the Internet.
20:31 < ware> HAHAHAHA!.
20:31 <@sdodson> HIGH FIVEZ!
20:32 <+coil> ima get a 40 or two
20:32 <+coil> whos with me
20:32 <@JimShoe> no shit...really?
20:33 <+coil> baka laka doka
20:39 < AstralSin> derka derka
20:44 <+coil> careful
20:44 <+coil> people might get offended
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20:45 < AstralSin> so?
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22:02 <@someninjaserver>  http://www.9to5mac.com/orwellian_nightmare
22:09 <@sdodson> I think anyone who owns a mac should be taken out by a burley swat team guy like that one.
22:10 <@sdodson> "Oww, owww, that hurts, hey give me back my birks!"
22:12 < AstralSin> notalwaysright.com makes me want to call some random business bitching about something and cause a humorous situation
22:14 <@ShadowHntr> holy RJ Mercer, Batman !
22:15 < AstralSin> it also makes me further lose faith in the human race
22:19 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: wtf?
22:19 <@sdodson> AstralSin: ignore me now
22:19 <@ShadowHntr> <AstralSin> notalwaysright.com makes me want to call some random business bitching about something and cause a humorous situation
22:19 < AstralSin> sdodson: by now, i've learned to mentally ignore you
22:19 <@ShadowHntr> i'm sorry
22:20 <@ShadowHntr> Roy D. Mercer
22:20 <@sdodson> So my friend puts his resume up on a .mac site, it's a 13MB one page resume. Is this a valid reason for me to rant about mac users?
22:20 <@sdodson> AstralSin: good idea
22:20 <@ShadowHntr> yikes
22:20 < AstralSin> why would i want to ignore you for that?
22:21 < AstralSin> i dont use a mac
22:21 <@JimShoe> how the hell did one page produce 13MB worth of data
22:22 < AstralSin> images, i assume
22:22 <+coil> ShadowHntr: it says driver missing for my raid controller
22:22 <@JimShoe> thats crazy
22:23 < AstralSin> still, i'd be hard pressed to fit 13mb of images on a single page
22:23 <@sdodson> The damn resume takes like 5 minutes to load on my machine.
22:23 < AstralSin> unless they were bmp or something
22:24 <@ShadowHntr> coil: hmmm...
22:24 <+coil> but it booted
22:24 <+coil> once i found out why my stupid cdrom wasn't powering on
22:24 <@ShadowHntr> lol
22:25 <@sdodson> AstralSin: i meant about your faith in humanity, it's best you ignore me then
22:25 < AstralSin> ahhh
22:25 < AstralSin> no, the more the better, its always best to know the ways of one's enemy
22:30 <@someninjaserver> haha
22:31 <@sdodson> http://media.bestofmicro.com/3/E/105098/original/image06.jpg hp takes note from X4500 and mounts drives deep
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23:17 <@ShadowHntr> about time they learned :)
23:17 <+coil> hot sdodson
23:17  * coil fap fap fpafpapapffapfafpa
23:36 <@Corydon76-dig> You forgot "spooge"
23:36 <+coil> im too busy getting drunk to try to drown myself
23:40 <+coil> ShadowHntr: you only like indiana?
23:40 <@ShadowHntr> coil: i like the whole spectrum
23:40 <@someninjaserver> Corydon76-dig: how did the ups install go
23:40 <@ShadowHntr> not just indiana
23:41 <+coil> i can't get ssh to connect to that computer
23:41 <+coil> i mean it connects...but not login
23:41 <+coil> who the hell is jake ? LOL
23:41 <@ShadowHntr> coil: default username
23:41 <@ShadowHntr> on the livecd
23:41 <+coil> it wont let me change the password
23:41 <+coil> cuz i duno the defualt ont
23:41 <+coil> is there sudo with out pass?
23:41 <@ShadowHntr> perhaps you could create a new user?
23:42 <@ShadowHntr> also i believe there's a gui usermanager
23:42 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: Fairly uneventful
23:42 <+coil> i got that gui booted up
23:42 <@ShadowHntr> walk through the menus
23:42 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: only one short in the wiring plan
23:42 <+coil> but that computer is 10 feet away
23:42 <+coil> i dont wanna walk over there
23:43 <+coil> i need my ssh!
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> coil: lazyass :P
23:43 <+coil> no ShadowHntr, drunkass :P
23:43 <@Corydon76-dig> but that was only on the outlet side
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> heh
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> :P
23:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Everything from the main power panel all the way to the subpanel breaker box was flawless
23:44 <@someninjaserver> what kind of flex conduit were you usin
23:44 <@Corydon76-dig> The only flex conduit was the stuff on the UPS
23:44 <+coil> it's a trickq question
23:45 <+coil> dont answer it someninjaserver
23:45 <+coil> HE WNATS TO GET INTO YOUR ANUS
23:47 <@someninjaserver> i did some research on the flex to rigid thing
23:47 <@someninjaserver> depending on the type of flex your using
23:47 <@someninjaserver> you can do a direct conversion without a junction box
23:48  * coil gets sick
23:48  * someninjaserver snipes coil
23:49 <+coil> im already dead inside
23:49 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: too late
23:50 <+coil> iot's never too late to back out
23:51 <@someninjaserver> ah
23:52 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: too late, as in the junction box is already mounted on the wall, and the wire is fed through
23:53 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: I still have several hangars that need to go up
23:53 <@Corydon76-dig> but other than that, we're all good
23:54 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll power it up on Saturday, so you can listen to it purr
23:54 <+coil> u[s/
23:54 <+coil> ups?
23:54 <+coil> purrrrrrrrrrrr
23:54 <@Corydon76-dig> 10,000VA
23:54 <+coil> only that?
23:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, "only" that
23:57 <+coil> we need moar power
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