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10:46  * sdodson wonders if MSFT aquiring Y! would threaten GOOG and actually be a positive thing
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I really doubt it
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: they're not addressing the fundamental problem of WHY people go to Google in the first place.
10:51 <@Corydon76-dig> To compete for ad dollars, you need to show why people are going to your site in the first place
10:52 <@Corydon76-dig> You can have an awesome ad revenue model, but if people aren't going to your site in the first place, you're not going to make any money
10:52 <@mtown_nerd> Even if The M-Y! alliance did rise up, figure out Google's magic, and utilize it to bring themselves up to G's level or higher...all you'd really end up with is privacy concerns being aimed at M-Y! isntead of G.  lol
10:53 <@sdodson> You think most of GOOG's revnue comes from direct visits to their properties?
10:53 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't know, honestly.
10:54 <@sdodson> ya, no idea
10:54 <@Corydon76-dig> But the reason that people visit their properties surely leads to people preferring their services
10:55 <@sdodson> Ease of use.
10:55 <@Corydon76-dig> and any collaboration by competitors which doesn't address that is surely doomed
10:56 <@sdodson> I need to wax my car but I don't want to :(
10:56 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't think Carl Icahn understands the business, because the Yahoo board was going for long term value, not short term gain
10:58 <@sdodson> I wish I was worth $14B
11:00 < AstralSin> i'd be happy to be worth $14 at this point
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11:02 <@sdodson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_(2008) interesting to see the sources of their wealth
11:03 <@sdodson> Unfortunately, I don't see IRC on that list.
11:06 <@sdodson> Lots of company names operating under the radar.
11:11 <@sdodson> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/21/exclusive-pics-of-the-palm-treo-850/
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14:50 <+coil> wat?
14:51 <@sdodson> i don't know
14:56 <@sdodson> http://www.howispentmystimulus.com/
14:57 <+coil> haven't gotten it yet
14:58 <+coil> ill spent it on rent or something
14:58 <@sdodson> ya, when the hell is that shit coming?
15:00 <+coil> not soon enough
15:00 <+coil> wait, what is that no tax on gas weekend thing?
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15:30 < ware> lolwut
15:32 <@sdodson> lulbuntu!
15:38 <@shadowmoss> anyone have any opinions on the new eeepc 900 from Asus?
15:38 <@shadowmoss> talk me out of buying it to take on all the travel I do for work...
15:38 <@shadowmoss> I take my work laptop, but don't like having personal stuff on it.
15:39 < ware> usb drive + truecrypt + portable apps
15:39 <@sdodson> too small of a drive
15:39 <@shadowmoss> I carry 2 TB of external drives with me anyway
15:39 < ware> stonermoments.org has a post about it a couple weeks ago
15:39 <@shadowmoss> positive or negative?
15:40 < ware> for the usb stuff
15:40 < ware> not the lappy
15:40 <@shadowmoss> oh
15:40 <@sdodson> damn you rid'n dirty!
15:40 <@shadowmoss> huh?
15:40 <@sdodson> 2TB!
15:41 <@shadowmoss> oh, well most of it is ghost images for work, and copies of same in case one of the trainers wipes my main drive
15:41 <@shadowmoss> 3 500G and 2 250 usb only drives
15:41 <@shadowmoss> yeah, security can be fun
15:42 <@shadowmoss> I also carry 21 usb thumb drives, and even I know that is excessive
15:42 <@sdodson> shadowmoss: how you been?
15:42  * shadowmoss hugs sdodson 
15:42 <@shadowmoss> good for the most part.  you?
15:42 <@sdodson> good for the most part
15:42 <@shadowmoss> I'm traveling a lot for work now, out 3 weeks at a time
15:43 <@sdodson> sounds fun, you like that?
15:43 <@shadowmoss> I leave next Monday again, then back for 2 weeks, then out for 3 again
15:43 <@shadowmoss> it's ok
15:43 <@shadowmoss> at this point it is just a job
15:43 <@Mirage> so that's how you tolerate Notlarry..you're never ther
15:43 <@shadowmoss> NotLarry is my cat's personal manservant while I'm gone, and he keeps the place up for me
15:43 <@Mirage> e
15:44  * shadowmoss glomps Mirage 
15:44 <@shadowmoss> yes, I hardly ever see him
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15:46 <@shadowmoss> I did get a new fridge.  I felt badly that all NL asks for is room for a couple of beers, and with the dorm sized one that was difficult
15:47 <@shadowmoss> re:  travel, Santa Fe was nice if boring.  The hiking was good.  Salisbury, NC and Lansing, MI were just ok, not places I'd go on my own
15:48 <@shadowmoss> I'm headed to North Houston, TX next Monday and it will probably just be hot
15:48 <@shadowmoss> Then to Madison, WI, which should be fun
15:49 <+coil> apparently i need to do laundry
15:49 <@shadowmoss> no clean clothes == time to do laundry
15:49 <+coil> i do not have any *clean* underwear
15:52 <@shadowmoss> go comando?
15:54  * maco grumbles about cable thieves who can't even hook up a splitter properly
15:56 <@maco> somewhere between the basement and the 6th floor, some asshole cut my cable and didn't even do it properly, so i have no signal
15:56 <+coil> awww poor maco
15:57 <+coil> call cable co and have them arrest those fuckers
15:57 <@maco> ISP lady was just here and concluded that that was the reason i have no tubes
15:57 <@maco> im online right now thanks to aircrack
15:57 <@maco> -_-
15:57 <@maco> i want my own tubes.  they'll be faster!
16:00 <+coil> well tell them to find the fucking problem then
16:00 <+coil> or threaten to cancel and switch to sat
16:01 <@maco> satellite internet? O_O latency hell!
16:01 <+coil> fine, dsl
16:02 <+coil> just threaten to cancel
16:04 <@maco> she said the signal at the tap was a bit off too, so she's sending someone to correct that and to run a new cable for me
16:04 <+coil> do it anyway
16:04 <@maco> for the sake of being inflammatory?
16:07 <+coil> i dunno about that, you should get it checked out
16:32 <@sdodson> inflamed tubes
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20:25 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: *ping*
20:27 < AstralSin> ShadowHntr: i never heard anything back from concept, not even a kiss my ass
20:27 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: sucks.
20:27 <+coil> oh great
20:27 <@ShadowHntr> i followed up and got a kiss my ass type email.
20:27 <@ShadowHntr> :P
20:27 <+coil> i was getting so amped up to use amarok now
20:27 <@ShadowHntr> coil: amarok ftw :D
20:27 <+coil> and it crashed and now it wont start up
20:28 <+coil> this has happened before
20:28 <+coil> so itunes ftw still
20:28 <+coil> itunes never crashes
20:28 <+coil> even with 25k songs in it
20:31 < AstralSin> the great thing about open source is, you can improve on it
20:31 < AstralSin> so quit bitchin and fix it
20:31 <+coil> but itunes works
20:31 <+coil> that's the best thing about closed source
20:32 < AstralSin> so use that and quit bitchin
20:32 <+coil> no
20:34 <+coil> i like how amarok can do that sql thingy
20:35 < AstralSin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0PaPpmGa8 <-- whoever did this has WAYYY too much time on their hands
20:36 <+coil> ShadowHntr: does your amarok skip for like a second on a song randomly?
20:36 <@ShadowHntr> coil: didn't with me, no.
20:36 <@ShadowHntr> i used the amarok builds from the opensuse build service
20:36 <@ShadowHntr> KDE Backports repository
20:36 <+coil> im sure it's a sound card issue
20:37 <@ShadowHntr> that's when i upgraded to the latest ver from the one that came with opensuse 10.3
20:37 <+coil> or i dunno
20:37 <@ShadowHntr> not sure
20:37 <+coil> because i apparently have three sound cards???
20:38 <@ShadowHntr> no fucking clue.
20:38 <+coil> calm down
20:38 <@ShadowHntr> no worries
20:39 <@ShadowHntr> i'm in a minor haze from my migraine meds
20:39 <@ShadowHntr> i ran out of my normal shit
20:39 <@ShadowHntr> so i'm improvising
20:39 <@ShadowHntr> with what i have
20:39 <+coil> i wish i had drugs for my migrains
20:39 <@ShadowHntr> you have health insurance?
20:39 <@ShadowHntr> and/or prescription coverage?
20:39 <+coil> nope
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> well
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> if you can get in with a doctor (anywhere)
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> ask about Midrin
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> it's a generic migraine abortive
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> cheap
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> works great both as a migraine abortive and a hangover cure lol
20:40 <@ShadowHntr> :)
20:41 <+coil> oh
20:48 <@Corydon76-dig> What I've learned from getting some good migraine meds from my doctor is that I don't get migraines...
20:48 <@Corydon76-dig> cluster headaches, instead
20:50 < AstralSin> man, ive become addicted to this open source poker program
20:50 < AstralSin> i guess its good its not for real money
20:50 <@sdodson> AstralSin: It's not called "Rounders" is it?
20:50 < AstralSin> no
20:51 < AstralSin> PokerTH
20:57 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: maybe i should ask my neurologist about that...
20:58 <+coil> lol damnit amarok
20:58 <@Corydon76-dig> I got Relpax, which does shit for me
20:58 <+coil> i quit you and you're still playing music...
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> coil: it minimizes to taskbar
20:59 <+coil> no, after i quit it from there
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> when you close the window
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> ahhh
20:59 <+coil> it was still playing music
20:59 <+coil> lol
20:59 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: that's nothing.  I've had a computer crash on me, and it continued playing music
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> i have a similar occurance
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> maybe it just finishes what's in the buffer
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> that's never bothered me.
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20:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Stupid music coprocessor.  ;-)
20:59 <+coil> and this is getting annoying too
20:59 <@ShadowHntr> lol corydon
21:00 <+coil> %50 of the time, my computer boots
21:00 <+coil> shouldn't it boot %100 of the time?
21:00 < AstralSin> no, it can shoe sometimes too
21:00 <@Corydon76-dig> I think it also socks
21:01 <@Corydon76-dig> (boo, hiss)
21:01 < AstralSin> hahaha
21:01 <+coil> boo on all of you assholes
21:01 < AstralSin> awww hes upset
21:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Eh, that's nothing new
21:01 <+coil> third time it booted just fine
21:02 <+coil> and i did nothing different each time
21:03 <@sdodson> Does storing torrents to a network share bollocks the network?
21:03 <+coil> i didn't have a problem with that
21:03 <+coil> but dont listen to me
21:03 < AstralSin> if they're active, yeah
21:03 <+coil> what the fuck am i talking about
21:06 <+coil> but i think a kernel upgrade fixed my sound skipping problem
21:06 <@sdodson> upgradez muh kernalz plz
21:06 <+coil> oh wait i spoke too soon
21:06 <+coil> $%@#$%@#@
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21:34 <@brimstone> i wonder where godaddy really makes their money
21:34 <@brimstone> they fund danica patrick, revision3, etc
21:35 <@brimstone> not by selling .coms for $1.99 a year
21:36 < AstralSin> investments
21:36 <@sdodson> advertising like everyone else
21:37 <+coil> a bag of dildos
21:37 <@sdodson> coil: Danica Patrick?
21:37 < AstralSin> she's an indy driver
21:37 <@sdodson> did she place today?
21:37 <+coil> sorry i dont listen to hip hop sdodson
21:37 <@sdodson> I know, i was insulting her.
21:37 < AstralSin> ohhh
21:37 < AstralSin> i took shit out of context
21:37 <@sdodson> coil: LOLZ?!
21:37 <@ShadowHntr> Fuck a shy Laplander.
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21:37 <+coil> yes sdodson
21:38 <+coil> now why the hell did amarok lose ALL sound
21:38 <@sdodson> there's some show on video games on tv
21:38 < AstralSin> it doesn't like you
21:38 <+coil> other programs play sound
21:38 <+coil> like vlc
21:38 <@sdodson> coil: cause amarok is some kde based shit
21:38 <@ShadowHntr> coil: try other apps that use arts
21:38 <+coil> nothing in dmesg about something crapping out
21:38 <@brimstone> sdodson: she didn't place, got taken out
21:39 <@sdodson> maybe you need some pulseaudio plugin?
21:39 <+coil> ShadowHntr: what else uses arts
21:39 <@ShadowHntr> all kde apps
21:39 <@ShadowHntr> it may be pulseaudio i'm thinking of though
21:40 <+coil> pulseaudio is already the newest version.
21:40 <+coil> why couldn't amarok be gnome
21:41 <@brimstone> cuz then it would be rhythmbox
21:41 <+coil> but that blows balls
21:41 <@brimstone> can you back that statement?
21:42 <@brimstone> or just the cop-out, "it sucks"
21:42 <+coil> im sure it sux
21:42 <+coil> here let me load it up and put in all my music
21:42 <+coil> lets see if it crashes
21:42 <@brimstone> can you give me any valid reason why?
21:42 <+coil> ya man
21:42 <@sdodson> man brimstone is turning the screws!
21:43 < AstralSin> ive personally had very little problems with amarok
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21:43 <@brimstone> i'm just tired of all the BS in irc channels
21:43 < AstralSin> pff, welcome to irc
21:43 < AstralSin> the bs will never end
21:43 <@brimstone> everyone just trolls in on their little boat, "it sucks" "this is bad" etc and trolls on out
21:43 <@brimstone> and i'm gonna call them out on it when i see it
21:44 < AstralSin> ive got no problem with that
21:44 <@sdodson> brimstone: ahw man, then you're going to be giving me crap forever then :(
21:44 <+coil> do it brimstone
21:44 <+coil> it hasn't crashed yet
21:44 <@sdodson> So I may as well elaborate on my problem with KDE so I don't seem like quite as much of a troll.
21:45 <+coil> were all ears sdodson
21:45 <@sdodson> So people go on and on about how KDE4 is freaking revolutionary and how it's years ahead of gnome etc. Yet when they use it things fail, it's not ready, etc.  It can't be that revolutionary if it's not actually ready for use.  Those two are mutually exclusive.
21:46 <@sdodson> Either it's the new hotness and usable or it's not something I should compare to Gnome yet.
21:46 <@sdodson> You can't tell me how leet its features are then be all hand wavy when it blows up in your face.
21:46 <+coil> it blows up anyway
21:49 <@sdodson> coil: ~/.xsession-errors  ?
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21:49 <@brimstone> e17 ftw
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21:49 <+coil> enlightenment?
21:49 <@brimstone> yup
21:49 <@brimstone> it'll never be ready
21:50 <+coil> i used that back in slackware days
21:50 <@sdodson> brimstone: am I on your hit list?
21:50 < AstralSin> i used enlightenment back in 98 or 99
21:50 < AstralSin> i liked it back then, it was cool... but now its just old and broken
21:51 <+coil> hmm
21:51 <+coil> lets see if rhythmbox skips the audio
21:51 < AstralSin> though, i hear verizon is adapting it for use on mobile phones
21:51 <@brimstone> sdodson: only if you're gonna BS
21:51 <+coil> so far it hasn't
21:52 <@brimstone> coil: rhythmbox crash yet?
21:52 <+coil> oh there it goes just as soon as i said something
21:52 <+coil> why is sound skipping :(
21:52 <@sdodson> brimstone: Rhythmbox is what you use?
21:52 <+coil> brimstone: it's still adding my music
21:52 <@sdodson> coil: same song, same place? perhaps your mp3 is bad?
21:52 <+coil> but it's able to play music while adding files
21:52 <+coil> that's nice
21:52 <+coil> no sdodson different mp3
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21:54 < AstralSin> im about fucking tired of firefox crashing every 5 seconds
21:54 <@brimstone> sdodson: so far, it's held up well enough
21:54 <+scort>  20:53:49 up 52 min,  2 users,  load average: 2.94, 2.23, 1.34
21:54 <@sdodson> AstralSin: FX3?
21:54 < AstralSin> yeah
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21:54 <+coil> nice
21:54 < AstralSin> 3b5
21:54 < AstralSin> but firefox has always crashed on me alto
21:54 < AstralSin> alot*
21:54 <@sdodson> i wonder how many calls we're getting about RHEL 5.2 having FX 3b5
21:55 <+coil> ff hasn't crashed on me yet
21:55 <@brimstone> hardy shipped with ff3b5 too
21:55 <+coil> (yet)
21:55 <+coil> yes
21:55 <+coil> it did
21:55 <+coil> im on hardy right now
21:55 < AstralSin> me too
21:55 <@sdodson> brimstone: yaz, but rhel is enterprisey yo
21:55 < AstralSin> and it sucks
21:55 <@brimstone> i wonder why the distros shipped with ff3
21:55 < AstralSin> some of my addons don't work anymore
21:55 < AstralSin> including my del.icio.us one and that was my favorite
21:55 <@sdodson> I believe it had FX 1.5 until now.
21:56 <@sdodson> That's Yahoo's fault.
21:56 <@brimstone> i know hardy has away to revert back to ff2
21:56 <@sdodson> http://people.mozilla.com/~polvi/threedom/status-bars.html
21:56 <+coil> sdodson: blame everything on yahoo
21:56 < AstralSin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=770789
21:57 < AstralSin> im gonna do that tomorrow
21:57 <+coil> ur face
21:57 < AstralSin> uh ok
21:58 < AstralSin> my face is quite handsome, thank you
21:58 <+coil> sure it is
21:58 <@brimstone> i'm about to sleep, coil rhythmbox still working ok?
21:58 <@brimstone> does it skip?
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21:58 <+coil> no it's perfect in every way imagable
21:58 <@brimstone> so far
21:59 <+coil> it's still adding music
21:59 <@brimstone> fair enough, i'm disconnecting for the night, let me know if it dies or skips on you
21:59 <+coil> k sleep night brimstone !
21:59 <@sdodson> brimstone is so noble
22:00 <+coil> i really do need to delete a lot of music
22:00 <+coil> or put it in a "do not listen to" folder
22:00 <@sdodson> Apparently there's a fairly well known bug in FX3 on Linux.
22:00 <@sdodson> fsync() related
22:00 < AstralSin> yeah, i read that the other day
22:00 < AstralSin> and mozilla isn't gonna fix it
22:01 <@sdodson> they said they'd fix it
22:01 <+coil> when im watching a youtube video fullscreen, it seems very choppy
22:01 <+coil> is that a flash issue?
22:01 < AstralSin> what i read said they were gonna ship the full version without fixing it
22:01 < AstralSin> probably
22:01 < AstralSin> either flash or network connectivity
22:01 <+coil> it's not network
22:01 <+coil> flash is still 32bit?
22:01 < AstralSin> youtube is generally shitty quality for me, anyway
22:01 < AstralSin> yeah
22:02 <+coil> i thought it was really hard to get it to work on 64
22:02 <+coil> i just installed it regularly
22:02 < AstralSin> i don't know, i've got enough common sense to not use a 64 bit OS yet
22:03 <+coil> i like to live dangerously
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22:35 < Synx_hm> i think my laptop lcd is starting to die
22:36 < Synx_hm> its got a slight darker than the rest blob in the middle of the lcd :(
22:36 <+coil> are you in sun?
22:36 <+coil> or any type of background light
22:37 < Synx_hm> nope
22:39 <@sdodson> This commercial says one of the key successes to investing is knowing something someone else doesn't. I wonder how open principles (sp?) apply.
22:42 <@someninjaserver> isnt knowing something someone else doesnt called insider tradeing
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23:38 <@someninjaserver> http://www.kilian-nakamura.com/catalog/m4125-maid-computer-case-p-213.html
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