--- Log opened Tue May 13 00:00:12 2008
00:01 <@dc0de> yeah, I'm off to bed soon
00:02 <@polerin> heh
00:02 <@polerin> bed goooood
00:02 <@dc0de> yeah... sleep... mmmm
00:02 <@Lissa> ditto
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00:02 <@Lissa> hehe
00:02 <@polerin> mdljkasdf;asdf
00:02 <@polerin> bl,eh
00:05 < ware> no
00:08 <@aestetix> well at least sex gets better with age
00:10 < ware> eww, dan fux'd a granny
00:12 <@polerin> ...
00:12 < ware> CWDA!
00:14 <@polerin> ok thats it
00:14 <@polerin> bed time
00:15 <@dc0de> gnight all.
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00:50 <@rattle> Did anyone here know Bill McCauley?
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04:19 <+coil> we know
04:19 <+coil> diaf shadowhntr
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06:35 <@Shadow404> haha, i so just totally owned a customer cause he was in the wrong
06:38 <@Shadow404> ive asked this customer to send all requests to our noc email address and not my personal one, just in case im not at work to deal with it. I have told him in replies all last week. So far looking back in my sent mail, i see 13 times i told him in replies to do this. He emails me last night, after im already left work. And then he emails me 15 more times and finally calls me this morning when i first get on shift, cur
06:57 <@aestetix> you spin me right round shadow right round like a record
06:59  * Shadow404 kicks aestetix 
06:59 <@Shadow404> now its a broken record
07:08  * aestetix rubs shadow's groove
07:12 <@Shadow404> uh
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08:28 <@polerin> meh
08:30 <@I-MOD> feh
08:30 <@I-MOD> today feels like monday
08:30  * I-MOD is dragging so hard....
08:30 <@brimstone> sounds like someone has a case of the mondays
08:30 <@polerin> brimstone: die.
08:30 <@I-MOD> agreed
08:30 <@brimstone> I-MOD: the bike first thing helps me fight the mondays
08:30 <@I-MOD> if we both concentrate hard enough, his brain might explode
08:31 <@I-MOD> brimstone, how long does it take to bike to digium?
08:31 <@polerin> I-MOD: I've always wanted to figure out if my name was a killing word
08:31 <@polerin> ;P
08:31 < booker404> My Pika's are due here within an hour! ;)
08:31 <@I-MOD> oh no! a dune reference!
08:31  * booker404 is as giddy as a school girl
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08:32 < aestetrix> Woot
08:32 < aestetrix> blackberry irx ftw
08:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:36  * aestetrix hugs Dolemite
08:36 <@poiupoiu> mornin all
08:37 <@Dolemite> what's with the added 'r'?
08:38 < aestetrix> it was one less keystroke than an underscore
08:38 <@Dolemite> ah
08:38 < aestetrix> hmm
08:38 < aestetrix> i am pretty much done with this client
08:39 < aestetrix> i was done yesterday at noon
08:39 < aestetrix> but i have to be here for another 2 days
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08:53 <@GodFix> has anyone else heard anything about Exchange wiggin with more than 4gb ram?
09:02 < booker404> hey, is anybody here from Xelatec, LLC in Johns Creek, GA?
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09:11 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:12 <@poiupoiu> sup nachoguy
09:33 < ware> weee.
09:34 <@ladymerlin> whee
09:35 < ware> fckn piss poor day
09:36 < ware> people cant fckn communicate
09:36  * poiupoiu doesn't understand what ware means
09:37 <@Shadow404> can you explain more clearly?
09:50 < ware> well
09:50 < ware> dipshit A scheduled with fucktard B
09:51 < ware> and sent me, twatface C, to client assfinger D
09:51 < ware> to replace a modem from noobISP E
09:51 < ware> i cant get dipshit or fucktard to answer their fucking phones
09:52 < ware> and no one at assfinger knows what teh fuck noobISP or fucktard or dipshit is talking about
09:52 < ware> so here i am being a twatface not knowing whats going on
09:52 < ware> pretty much sums it up
09:53 <@I-MOD> i think your explanation needs more profanity
09:53 < ware> I-MOD: fuck that
09:53 <@I-MOD> better
09:53 < ware> :D
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09:57 <@Shadow404> MaxieZ: care for some hooters?
09:58 <@Shadow404> i want wings and beer for lunch
09:58 < ware> (  o Y o  )
09:58 < ware> oh wings
09:58 < MaxieZ> That sounds good, but I can't today.  I got meetings.
09:58 <@Shadow404> ware: u fail
09:58 <@Shadow404> damn
09:59 < ware> Shadow404: i failed in ur mom twice
09:59 < ware> failed over on her and it slipped in -/
09:59 <@Shadow404> thats why she never called you back
10:00 < ware> tru
10:01 < ware> hehe tech support can see the screen :D
10:01  * ware waves
10:02 <@nachoguy> is hot or not larry around?
10:03 <@brimstone> is not larry not hot?
10:04 <@nachoguy> well, notlarry was calling himself hotlarry yesterday
10:04 < ware> he was lookin for you right after you left
10:04 < ware> for a place to crash
10:05 <@nachoguy> yeah, I talked to him a little
10:05 <@nachoguy> I'm out of town then, but I know of a hotel right by a trainstation
10:06 < ware> this tech support chat shit is horrible
10:06 < ware> this is the same guy that i got the other day
10:07 < ware> and he will be getting bad feedback again
10:07 <@Shadow404> woot
10:07 <@Shadow404> get him fired
10:07 <@Shadow404> i hope he saw this
10:07 < ware> nah, i just want help
10:07 <@Shadow404> is this dell tech support?
10:08 <@Shadow404> if so, they fail epic on all levels
10:08 <@GodFix> is he in India? tell him you will sacrifice his goat to your mothership
10:08 <@Shadow404> the kings of rma parts
10:08 < ware> no its for the ISP here in bfe
10:08 <@Shadow404> nice
10:11 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
10:11 < ware> This is the 2nd time ive gotten support from "Steve" and he was not able to resolve my issue because his department did not handle it.  I was again directed to call a phone number which defeats the purpose of having chat support.  This service needs to be re-evaluated and setup to cover all avenues of support.
10:12 < ware> Thank you for using Frontier Communications Chat
10:12 < ware> We hope your real-time session was helpful.
10:12 < ware> lol
10:12 < ware> WELL IT WASNT, CUNTS!
10:12 <@brimstone> just keep at it
10:12 <@brimstone> either someone's rating will go way up, or way down
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10:13 < ware> *shurg* im not out to get someone in trouble, but ifyou offer support via chat then you should support it
10:13 <@brimstone> it depends on the tech you get
10:13 <@brimstone> if you piss them off enough, you'll get them to personally handle your problem
10:13 < ware> i left bad feedback last time too
10:13 <@SkyDog_> Which means you are a comlainer.
10:14 <@SkyDog_> complainer.
10:14 <@SkyDog_> Sigh.
10:14 < ware> i thought that was a mature explanation of why i gave a poor rating
10:14 <@brimstone> i have no faith in a company that can't support their product inhouse
10:14 <@SkyDog_> Just kidding you. Tech support sucks all over.
10:14 < ware> hahaha
10:15 < ware> <- is tech support =/
10:15 < aestetrix> yo
10:15 < ware> ho
10:15 < ware> yo
10:15 < ware> ho
10:15 < ware> a pirates life for me
10:15 < aestetrix> tech support does suck
10:15 <@Corydon76-dig> ware sucks; he just doesn't admit it
10:15 < ware> i sux toes
10:16 < ware> for da lulz
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10:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, is that what they're calling it now?
10:19 < aestetrix> oh boy
10:19 < aestetrix> i got the shits brb
10:20 <@SkyDog_> Um.
10:21 <@brimstone> i'm all for kicking him out for 6 months again
10:21 <@SkyDog_> Nah.
10:22 <@SkyDog_> He's not using proper grammar. He fits in with us mediocre types.
10:22 <@SkyDog_> It was there, had to use it.
10:23 <@brimstone> anyone know of any tools that will migrate a local profile to a domain profile and preserve all the fun stuff like outlook settings and whatnot?
10:23 <@SkyDog_> Ouch. Not I.
10:23 <@SkyDog_> That's a sticky one man.
10:23 <@brimstone> as i'm finding out
10:23 < ware> ntbackup it to where the profiles are stored
10:24 < ware> if you mess with the permissions itll screw up
10:24 <@GodFix> you mean on a per user or global basis?
10:24 <@brimstone> GodFix: per user right now
10:24 <@brimstone> we don't have the space for roaming profiles, we just want to convert the local ones to domain ones
10:24 <@brimstone> we've got roaming profiles disabled on each computer, then we can just turn it on as we get more space
10:25 <@GodFix> you should be able to just copy the %userprofile% directory
10:25 <@brimstone> nope, it messes up outlook settings and sometimes explorer views
10:25 < ware> roaming profiles have been a freakin nightmare for me
10:26 < ware> when you have remote sites and upgrading to new fileserver
10:26 < ware> s
10:26 < ware> cause people have so much shit in there that is unneeded
10:26 <@brimstone> for real
10:26 <@brimstone> we're gonna have to put quotas or something when we get this in full swing
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10:26 <@brimstone> oh knows! you can't put your 130GB of mp3s on the domain controller
10:26 <@brimstone> even if you own all the albums
10:27 < ware> yep. one customer got pissed that they were backing up 8gb of a users music via the offiste backup
10:27 < ware> hehehe, does incremental backups off hours over the net
10:27 <@sdodson> my stuff keeps dying yo :(
10:27 <@GodFix> there's always the handy dandy MS Files and Settings Transfer Wizard
10:28  * brimstone tries that
10:28 < aestetrix> ahhhhh
10:31 < AstralSin> whats a good place to find somewhere to live in nashville
10:31 < ware> you get the job?
10:32 < AstralSin> not yet but i'd like to look around and be prepared
10:32 < ware> theres some nice apartment complexs around harding place / donelson pike / murfreesboro pike
10:32 < critch_> AstralSin: depends on your tolerance level and what you are willing to spend.
10:32 < ware> heard that from a coworker and a few ppl
10:33 < critch_> ware must like ghetto living.
10:34 <@ladymerlin> donelson/hermitage area
10:34 < AstralSin> well, it'll depend on how much i'm getting paid, i'm thinking between $35 and $40 a year if i get this job, i'd really rather not live in the deep dark ghetto but i have tolerance for less than luxurious accomodations
10:34 < critch_> AstralSin: you have to be carefull in what has been deemed middle class neighborhoods now. When they decided to tear down the housing projects, they moved those people out into the 'burbs with section 8 funds.
10:35 <@brimstone> GodFix: that didn't work either
10:35 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: murfreesboro and smyrna are nice and rather affordable.
10:35 < critch_> I agree with ladymerlin on the area, but even then, there are pockets of crap.
10:35 <@brimstone> probably worked the best out of all the approaches, but didn't preserve outlook settings :(
10:35 <@ShadowHntr> lavergne as well.
10:35 < AstralSin> critch_: that's why i'm asking in here :) you guys know more about it than me
10:35 <@Dolemite> AstralSin : Where is the job that you're going to have?  With gas at $3.60/gallon, you probably want to be relatively close.
10:36 < AstralSin> really? i heard murfreesboro is just as expensive as nashville these days
10:36 < AstralSin> Dolemite: music row
10:36 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: how's the cost of housing in Madison
10:36 <@SkyDog_> Dunno. I don't live there.
10:36 <@ShadowHntr> *shrug*
10:36 < aestetrix> wow
10:36 <@ShadowHntr> thought you may know some people that do
10:36 <@SkyDog_> I live in hermitage/donelson.
10:36 <@Dolemite> AstralSin : Hell, I'd get something in the Belmont/Waverly area and ride a bicycle to work
10:36 <@SkyDog_> Nope. i don't associate with those type people.
10:36 <@SkyDog_> :)
10:36  * aestetrix is glad he doesnt have to pay for gas
10:36 < AstralSin> Dolemite: affordable?
10:36 <@ShadowHntr> i did like Inglewood when i worked for Motorola and commuted to TBI.
10:37 < AstralSin> i'd like to keep rent under $600 a month
10:37 <@GodFix> brimstone: try this? http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=748872
10:37 <@Dolemite> AstralSin : Depends on your income and expenses, but yeah, a lot of students live in the area
10:37 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: check out apartmentfinder.com
10:37 < critch_> ShadowHntr: Inglewood looks so trashy from Gallatin road. I was shocked when I rode back by the river and saw some of those neighborhoods.
10:37 <@oddball> as long as you're ok with a small space and window units for A/C
10:37 <@ShadowHntr> critch_: i liked the area off Hart Lane
10:37 <@Dolemite> The apartment websites won't show smaller apartment buildings and private houses for rent
10:38 <@ShadowHntr> Hart Lane/Ellington Pkwy
10:38 < AstralSin> size doesn't matter to me, smaller living quarters just means less shit to clean
10:38 < AstralSin> http://nashville.craigslist.org/apa/678894527.html <-- that sounds ok
10:38 <@brimstone> GodFix: let me run through those, i'll let ya know
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10:38 < AstralSin> Dolemite: well, i'll prolly have to settle for something less than a house, most people that rent houses require references from previous renters
10:39 < AstralSin> and i've never rented before
10:39 < critch_> AstralSin: that craigslist entry is in the middle of Tiajana
10:39 <@Dolemite> AstralSin : Since you're new to the area, I'd suggest that you get something close to work to start off with.  You may find other areas you'd want to move to later, but face it, for the first 6-12 months you're really going to focus on going to work, staying at home to play WoW, or going out to bars to meet people.  The bars and work are all within a few blocks of each other, so why not go for 3 out of 3?
10:39 < ware> haha
10:39 < ware> lil mexico
10:40 <@oddball> critch_: nah, it's futher to the edge of Tiajana
10:40 < AstralSin> critch_: jesus christ, fuck that
10:40 < AstralSin> Dolemite: good point, but i was thinking places around there would prolly be really expensive
10:40 < AstralSin> i mean, that's downtown
10:40 <@oddball> AstralSin: hey, it's not the bad part of Tiajana (I live just around the corner from there)
10:41 <@Dolemite> AstralSin : Yes, but there are still some small, affordable apartments south of Music Row
10:41 < critch_> oddball: not really, it is on the corner right next to the mexican grocery that always has 2 cop cars in front of it.
10:41 <@Dolemite> Like I said, check out Belmont/Waverly
10:41 < AstralSin> ok
10:41 < AstralSin> doing that now
10:41 <@Dolemite> But you won't find any apartment complexes there that would be on apartmentfinder
10:41 <@oddball> oh, wait... looked at the map wrong... yeah... dead center
10:42 <@Dolemite> You'd only find something there by walking/driving the area
10:42 <@Dolemite> or reading an ad in the paper
10:42 <@Dolemite> or seeing something posted at the coffee shop
10:43 < AstralSin> i see
10:43 <@GodFix> AstralSin: how's this? http://nashville.craigslist.org/apa/674368566.html
10:43 <@oddball> AstralSin: if you're ok with being that far out, I live in the Gazeebo apartments which are pretty decent.
10:44 < AstralSin> i could deal with that, godfix... i could bring my dog too
10:45 < critch_> AstralSin: This doesn't seem to want to display on my browser, but you might want to use this sight too. http://pdmap2.police.nashville.org/
10:46 < critch_> ahh, I just had to allow popups from them
10:46 < AstralSin> oddball: how far out? where is that?
10:46 <@Dolemite> Sylvan Heights would be a short bus ride or decent bike ride to work
10:46 < AstralSin> that site doesn't work for me, even with allowing popups
10:47 <@oddball> http://tinyurl.com/63ayqq
10:47 <@Dolemite> Oddball's place is about 15 minutes from Music Row in normal morning traffic
10:47 <@Dolemite> I pass by it every morning on my way in
10:47 <@oddball> that's about right
10:47 <@Dolemite> Non-traffic periods would be closer to 8-10 minutes
10:47 < AstralSin> oh, that sounds fine
10:47 <@Dolemite> traffic isn't too bad in the mornings
10:48 <@Dolemite> then in the afternoon, though, you need to know back roads ;)
10:48 < AstralSin> i learn backroads pretty quick, thats one of the first things i do in a new town
10:48 < AstralSin> drive around and get lost, learn the area that way
10:48 <@Dolemite> So I take it you got that job that you interviewed for yesterday?
10:49 <@oddball> Actually, going down Belmont -> Woodmont isn't that bad even during heavy traffic
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10:49 < AstralSin> oddball: whats the rent like over there?
10:49 <@ShadowHntr> hey
10:49 <@oddball> I pay $800 for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath
10:49 <@ShadowHntr> maybe i should check out the apartments my dad was at
10:49 < aestetrix> wow
10:49 <@ShadowHntr> woodbridge apartments
10:49 <@ShadowHntr> off antioch pike
10:49 <@ShadowHntr> by glencliff schools
10:49 < aestetrix> turns out that for this company
10:50 < aestetrix> the credentials for data entry clerk in the citrix app are also the creds for administrative account via rdp
10:51 <@I-MOD> nice
10:51 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: www.liveatwoodbridge.com
10:51 < AstralSin> oddball: damn, that's not bad, i bet a 1 bedroom would be cheap
10:52 <@ShadowHntr> of I-24 at Briley Pkwy in south Nashville
10:52 < aestetrix> i like how i was able to pull up regedit
10:52 < AstralSin> ShadowHntr: that's a tad more than what i'd like to pay but i'll write it down
10:53 <@ShadowHntr> yeah my dad lived there for about two years and really liked it
10:53 <@ShadowHntr> it's a nice place in a decent part of town
10:53 <@brimstone> GodFix: that's pretty close, outlook still complains, but you can change the paths then
10:54 < AstralSin> thanks for the advice, guys
10:54 <@oddball> AstralSin: yeah, I want to say the 1 bedroom apartments are ~$550, but I haven't seen the prices in a year and a half.
10:56 < AstralSin> i can deal with that
10:57 <@Dolemite> Um, woodbridge would be very low on the recommended apartments list.  It's too damn ghettofied by Glencliffe.
10:58 <@oddball> Dolemite: for his price range, he's going to be looking in slightly ghettofied areas
10:58 <@ShadowHntr> anyone live in Mt Juliet?
10:58 <@oddball> (assuming he's also wanting to be close to work)
10:59 <@ShadowHntr> i'm brainstorming here
10:59 < critch_> AstralSin: maybe this will help you. http://www.drunkenlogic.com/gun-crime.jpg
10:59 <@Shadow404> ShadowHntr: dont hurt yourself
10:59 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
11:00 < AstralSin> critch_: nice, thanks
11:00 < critch_> Shadow404: hey dude, found much nicer roads than the dragon over the weekend.
11:00 <@ShadowHntr> franklin rd between brentwood and wedgewood ghettofied as well?
11:00 < AstralSin> but i'm a believer in the second amendment, if you catch my drift :)
11:01 < critch_> AstralSin: So am I. I own quite a few, but I don't believe you want to live in an area where they are used too much.
11:01 <@Dolemite> oddball : True, but Woodbridge is a little too close to the fire.
11:02 < critch_> Shadow404: look at 276 and 178 in south carolina, specifically Ceasers Head State Park.
11:03 < aestetrix> fuck
11:04 <@oddball> Dolemite: my complex backs up to Glenncliff and I pass Woodbridge everyday.  It's not that bad.
11:04 < AstralSin> no, i don't want to live in a crime ridden area, but i'll check on that closer to the time i'm looking to start renting... i've got at least a month before i start there... if i even get the job
11:06 < critch_> AstralSin: http://www.drunkenlogic.com/parolee-release.jpg
11:07 < critch_> Those are backing up our claim of Hermitage being the better place to live.
11:07 < AstralSin> ok, i'll take that into consideration
11:07 <@Dolemite> If you live in Hermitage you can take the train to work, too!
11:08 <@Dolemite> choo choo!!!
11:08 <@Dolemite> and on that note, off to lunch
11:08 < critch_> Yeah, at more than the cost of the gas though.
11:08 < ware> id like to take this time to reiterate the lack of communication in a professional enviroment, and the effect it may have on an already disgruntled employee
11:09 < ware> if you schedule an ip address change that is required by the isp, a) make sure you know when they are going to be onsite, b) make sure you tell the client you are going to be onsite to do the change, and most importantly
11:09 < ware> c) MAKE SURE THEY ARENT COMING OUT TO GIVE YOU THE SAME FUCKING IP ADDRESS
11:09 < ware> 3hrs wasted kthnx bai
11:10  * ware goes postal
11:10 < aestetrix> hey is there a way to see if i have permisions to install software in windows without actually installoing it?
11:11 <@oddball> huh... Vanderbilt has shut down the Register. (great place for cheap apartment hunting)
11:11 <@GodFix> look in the user and group manager
11:11 <@GodFix> local users and groups
11:12 <@GodFix> specifically the groups
11:12 <@GodFix> if your not in the admin group or power users group, you shouldn't be able to install
11:13 < aestetrix> how do i get to that?
11:13 <@GodFix> right click My Computer
11:14 <@GodFix> Manage
11:14 < aestetrix> duh
11:14 < aestetrix> thanks
11:14 <@GodFix> np
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> but wouldn't that only work on local users?
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> sounds like he's on a domain.
11:14 <@GodFix> it works on do,main users as well
11:14 <@GodFix> such as \Everyone
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> oh it does?
11:14 <@GodFix> or domain\userid
11:14 <@GodFix> yeah
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> i'm out of touch.
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> heh.
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> :P
11:15 <@GodFix> like, rule #1, NEVER have \Everyone in the Local Admin group
11:15 <@GodFix> it should only be local admin and domain admins in that group
11:15 <@ShadowHntr> yeap
11:16 <@GodFix> if developers know how to code, you can get by with \everyone in the users group
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite: where would i look to get more info on the Register
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> er
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> oddball
11:17 <@oddball> doesn't exist anymore!
11:17 <@ShadowHntr> <oddball> huh... Vanderbilt has shut down the Register. (great place for cheap apartment hunting)
11:18 <@ShadowHntr> then what was that statement for
11:18 <@ShadowHntr> :/
11:18 <@oddball> the classifieds section is now part of MyVU
11:18 <@ShadowHntr> oh ok
11:18 <@ShadowHntr> don't know much about VU - i'm a twat
11:18 <@ShadowHntr> :P
11:19 <@oddball> I used to watch it when I was looking for a place to live, and I just discovered it's gone.  I thought it was interesting that Vandy did away with it's student newspaper
11:19 <@ShadowHntr> that sucks.
11:20 <@ShadowHntr> sorry, thought it was an on-campus apartment complex or something, not the student newspaper. :P
11:28 <@Corydon76-dig> The writing was on the wall back when I was going there and they defunded the newspaper
11:29 <@Corydon76-dig> For the past 10 years, they had been entirely self-sustaining on ad revenue
11:29 <@Corydon76-dig> So one bad year had the potential to wipe them out
11:31 < critch_> Damn, just tracked down the fuse I need to fix my welder, They want $36 each, and I blew 2, and broke 1.
11:31 <@Corydon76-dig> You almost wonder if perhaps if they knew the history, that they might go back to the student AcFee fund and ask for money again
11:32 < booker404> critch_: do you have pictures of it/
11:32 < booker404> ?
11:33 <@SkyDog_> critch_: What the hell?
11:35 < critch_> booker404: look up qas60-75
11:36 < critch_> AC600v 75a quick blow fuse.
11:37 < booker404> wow, expensive little bugger... I was expecting something much larger
11:37 < ware> http://www.nashvillecrawfishboil.com/
11:37 < booker404> I wonder if you can retrofit for a standard cartridge fuse... 75A should be moderately popular (especially in /really old/ hardware stores)
11:37 < ware> anyone else going to that this weekend?
11:37 < critch_> Made in Japan and for robotic servo motors or welder power supplies.
11:38 < critch_> booker404: problem is, this fuse blows faster than my breakers do. I had this hooked up to a 30amp 220v circuit and it blew 2 fuses before the breaker tripped.
11:39 < booker404> yeah, it's a fast-blow... breakers are usually somewhat slow
11:39 < critch_> Yeah, but to blow a 75a fuse before popping a 30a breaker threw me.
11:40 < booker404> yeah... fast-blow fuses are like <1sec... breakers are like 2-3 secs I think....
11:41 < critch_> hmm, on that, glad it blew the fuse quick. I wouldn't have wanted that kind of current on my old as hell house wiring for long.
11:41 < booker404> I don't know if they make "Resettable" fuses in that form factor... they're usually used in large (600amp+) settings...
11:41 <@polerin> critch_: you might look into a clicker fuse
11:42 <@polerin> they use them for amps here
11:42 < critch_> nah, I'll probably just wait till I get paid and buy the fuses. Like I said, I don't want to abuse my house wiring knowing how old it is.
11:42 <@polerin> heh
11:42 <@ShadowHntr> burning the house down is always a bad thing.
11:42 < critch_> I don't much trust that old fabric inulated wiring.
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11:43 <@ShadowHntr> yikes
11:43 <@ShadowHntr> yeah neither would i.
11:55 < booker404> heh
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11:56 <@ShadowHntr> yikes
11:56 <@ShadowHntr> drive to lynchburg to install a POS for a deli
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12:01 <@poiupoiu> JD tour?
12:01 < AstralSin> ShadowHntr: when? that's down my way
12:01 < AstralSin> if i walk across the street, i'm in moore county
12:02 <@ShadowHntr> AstralSin: have to be on onforce.com to get it
12:02 < AstralSin> i am
12:02 <@ShadowHntr> waiting to get more information before i bid
12:02 < AstralSin> damn, i thought they sent out emails and shit
12:02 <@ShadowHntr> they do
12:02 <@ShadowHntr> but they have to specifically route the WO to you
12:03 <@ShadowHntr> has your profile been approved
12:03 <@ShadowHntr> taken the webinars?
12:03 < AstralSin> yeah, did that, don't know about approval yet though
12:03 < AstralSin> they haven't yet approved it
12:03 < AstralSin> lame
12:03 <@ShadowHntr> *shrug*
12:04 <@ShadowHntr> if i get the WO wanna hang out?
12:04 < AstralSin> maybe, depends on what's going on
12:04 <@ShadowHntr> cool
12:04 < AstralSin> i gotta find some work until i get a full time job, i'm broke as a joke
12:04 <@ShadowHntr> the feeling's mutual.
12:07 <@ShadowHntr> damn
12:07 <@ShadowHntr> someone else took it.
12:08 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: did you see the Debian security advisory that hit this morning?
12:08 <@critch> nope
12:08  * polerin did :P
12:08 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: upgrade your ssh server and client on every machine.  They're all vulnerable.
12:08 <@Corydon76-dig> and wipe your host caches
12:08 <@polerin> well, the keys are vulnerable :P
12:09 <@polerin> yeah
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12:09 <@critch> umm, nothing on their website
12:09 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: and if you've generated SSL keys on any Debian machine, wipe those, too
12:09 <@polerin> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
12:11 <@critch> heh, good thing some of my machines are near ancient. The old stable distribution (sarge) is not affected.
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Not affected or not checked?
12:11 <@critch> The first vulnerable version, 0.9.8c-1, was uploaded to the unstable distribution on 2006-09-17,
12:12 <@critch> This is caused by an incorrect Debian-specific change to the openssl package
12:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah...
12:13 <@polerin> yep :)
12:19 <@oddball> mmmmm.... Fat Moe's...
12:20 <@ShadowHntr> o_0
12:20 <@ShadowHntr> good shit
12:20 <@oddball> one of these days I should go there and not get a burger
12:20 <@ShadowHntr> lol
12:20 <@polerin> heh
12:21 <@polerin> oddball: I have one literally down the street from my house
12:21 <@polerin> it is evil
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12:22 <@ShadowHntr> polerin: why's that
12:26 <@polerin> it's tempting
12:29 <@polerin> Like right now.. it's so tempting to just give my work the bird and go home for the next three days
12:29 <@ShadowHntr> heh.
12:35 <@SkyDog_> http://idontwantyourlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/iqbq8crd8l2uxqft4z.jpg
12:35 <@SkyDog_> SFW.
12:46 <@nachoguy> Polerin, My boss's last day is Thursday.  He's out sick today, and might not actually show up Thursday
12:47 <@nachoguy> seriously, don't you have sick days stored up?
12:48 <@nachoguy> http://www.improbableisland.com/
12:48 <@SkyDog_> I have 6 days of sick time so far, 6.5 days of vacation, and 1 personal day left.
12:52 <@polerin> nachoguy: I have stuff I need to wrap up before I go
12:53 <@polerin> but if they keep me on the phone instead of working on it, I may just do that
12:54 <@GodFix> I have 3.5 sick and 9 vacation
12:54 <@ladymerlin> heh i have 2 weeks of sick leave
12:56 <@I-MOD> i think i have 10 days of personal and 10 days of vacation
12:56 <@I-MOD> i need to take a week off :/
12:58 <@I-MOD> although, i'm starting to get pissed, cause the last time i took time off i specifically requested they use PTO and they took my goddamned vacation anyway
12:58 <@I-MOD> and that's twice now
12:58 <@I-MOD> :/
12:58 <@nachoguy> see, skypuppy has all that, and he hasn't been there that long
12:58 <@Shadow404> i spent my 8 days of vacation i earned so far, but i gained 2 back already
12:58 <@Shadow404> i havent used in personal or sick days yet
12:58 <@nachoguy> polerin, they won't let you finish, and if they don't have a post you plan, that's their fault
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12:59 <@nachoguy> I-MOD, what's the difference between vacation and PTO?
12:59 < MaxieZ> I got a server mounted on knoppix
12:59 < MaxieZ> At like /mnt
12:59 <@Shadow404> I-MOD: one pays, one doesnt while your on vacation
12:59 < MaxieZ> and I can do ls -l /mnt/bin/bash
12:59 <@Shadow404> my vacation is pto
12:59 < MaxieZ> and it's a real file
13:00 <@I-MOD> vacation can be cashed out at certain points, pto can't
13:00 <@nachoguy> you don't get paid for vacation?
13:00 <@nachoguy> ah
13:00 <@Shadow404> pto is vacation for us
13:00 <@I-MOD> i get paid for both
13:00 <@Shadow404> and you can cash out our pto
13:00 < MaxieZ> If I do: chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash  it says no such file or directory.
13:00 <@nachoguy> sweet
13:00 <@nachoguy> is there a cap for how much you can accumulate?
13:00 < MaxieZ> I did a strace on it and it says exactly that.  The file doesn't exist.
13:00 <@I-MOD> 120hrs for me
13:00 <@I-MOD> of vacation
13:00 <@ShadowHntr> i don't know the syntax of that command
13:00 < MaxieZ> In fact it seems no files exist.
13:00 <@nachoguy> I always wanted to take like a month off
13:00 <@polerin> nachoguy: oh I know
13:00 <@I-MOD> pto isn't limited since you can't cash it out
13:01 < MaxieZ> But only when I chroot.
13:01 < MaxieZ> If I just look while it's mounted and not in the chroot the files seem to be fine
13:01 < MaxieZ> any ideas of what could cause that?  I've never seen anything like it
13:01 <@nachoguy> I-MOD, so you can rack up a couple of months of PTO?  that's awesome
13:02 <@nachoguy> you work for a good company
13:02 <@nachoguy> I get 2 weeks vacation, and like 5 days of sick time per year
13:02 <@nachoguy> you don't use it, you lose it
13:03 <@polerin> nachoguy: yep
13:03 <@polerin> I've got a bit more than that at comcast, but..
13:03 <@polerin> yeah
13:04 <@nachoguy> well, I'll accept 2 weeks for the first year, but the fact that it doesn't bump to 3 weeks until there is 5 years tenure (in a company that is 4 years old) is bullshit
13:05 <@polerin> heh
13:06 <@polerin> well, I've been at comcast for 6 years
13:06 <@polerin> so... yeah
13:06 <@nachoguy> part of the reason I left ym last place was they went from "get the job done, and take off something reasonable" to "2 weeks a year, 40 hours a week"
13:07 <@nachoguy> I turned into a clock watcher.  it was kinda fun sometimes working like 4  12 hour days and telling people that I'd only be in for 2 hours on Friday
13:11 <@rattle> It's a really bad day for users of Debian Etch...
13:14 <@polerin> heh
13:14 <@Feltenix> what is happening with etch right now?
13:14 <@polerin> nachoguy: yeah I'm still wondering how that's going to work out for the new company
13:14 <@polerin> but I work ot here so I'm not quite as concerned about it as I could be
13:15 <@poiupoiu> Feltenix, i take it as you got home and moved out of the dorm room
13:15 <@poiupoiu> and got your fancy shmancy degree
13:18 <@Feltenix> indeed
13:18  * critch goes weee. Launching my bike over railroad tracks is fun.
13:19 <@polerin> heh
13:19 <@polerin> I can just imagine that critch
13:20 <@critch> timed the lights just right to get to the tracks at Thompson lane running 55
13:21 <@Lissa> hehe
13:22 <@rattle> http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571
13:24 <@ShadowHntr> i use opensuse
13:24 <@ShadowHntr> *duck*
13:25 < ware> Since when?
13:32 <@Shadow404> man, if i had working shocks on my bike, i would do that
13:32 <@Shadow404> but i destroyed them on speed bumps when i used to live in the college apartments
13:39 <@critch> I am going to have to change the springs out soon anyway.
13:43 < hotlarry> Evilpig:
13:49 <@nachoguy> hotlarry: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=iceweasel-a&q=hotel&near=Oak+Lawn,+IL&fb=1&ll=41.719568,-87.73849&spn=0.023672,0.040083&z=15&iwloc=B
13:49 <@nachoguy> train station is like half a mile west
13:56 < hotlarry> Cool
14:02 <@nachoguy> trains on weekends are $7 unlimited for the metra (which is what that train line is)
14:02 <@nachoguy> wait, shit
14:02 <@nachoguy> that trainline doesn't run on weekends
14:02 <@nachoguy> hrm, give me a sec
14:04 <@nachoguy> here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&geocode=&q=hotel&near=Tinley+Park,+IL&ie=UTF8&ll=41.557793,-87.803335&spn=0.023731,0.040083&z=15
14:04 <@nachoguy> there's a bunch of hotels, and they're a mile-ish from a train line that does run on the weekends
14:05 <@nachoguy> http://metrarail.com/Sched/ri/ri.shtml
14:05 <@nachoguy> and there's teh appropriate train schedule
14:06 <@nachoguy> got that hotlarry?
14:16 <@nachoguy> ~weather 60606
14:16 <+MxZBot> It's Scattered Clouds in Cabrini Green, Chicago, Illinois. It's 73.3 F (62 M, 22 C, 295 K).  Wind to the WNW at 5.0Mph/8.0Kph.
14:16 <@nachoguy> ping?
14:16 <@nachoguy> ok, cool, I didn't lose connection
14:20 <@oddball> Yay! Our telephoney system just refused to talk to the outside world!
14:20 <@Lissa> ...
14:21 <@oddball> and I've been on hold with the vendor's call center for 5 minutes now!
14:21 <@Lissa> ew
14:21 <@oddball> (It usually takes them about 10 seconds to pick up)
14:21 <@Lissa> are they having a massive outage?
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14:23 <@I-MOD> oddball, who's your vendor?
14:23 <@oddball> PAETEC
14:24 <@oddball> by the way, they're a bunch of pig-fuckers who should die for reasons beyond today
14:24 <@I-MOD> indeed
14:24 <@oddball> I take it you've dealt with them?
14:25  * brimstone plugs asterisk
14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> USLEC was good.  Once PAETEC took over, they started sucking
14:35 <@oddball> I'd say we're going to ditch them, but we switched to them just before I was hired.
14:35 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: what type of service do you have?
14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> PRI?  Or SIP trunking?
14:41 <@brimstone> i wish cable companies would allow uncapped connections between computers on the same node
14:42 <@brimstone> like me and the dude down the street
14:42 <@brimstone> why can't i get 10mbps to him?
14:42 < hotlarry> They do
14:42 <@brimstone> you sir, are a lier
14:42 <@brimstone> at least, comcast doesn't
14:43 <@oddball> Corydon76-dig: honestly, I don't know
14:45 <@oddball> is there a way I can tell beyond calling and asking the provider? (I know little to nothing about telephony)
14:46 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: it's the big new thing for CLECs to provision.  What they don't tell customers is that their SIP trunks are about as reliable as SIP to a random provider in the cloud
14:47 <@Corydon76-dig> And in some cases, that's exactly what they're doing...
14:47 <@oddball> ah
14:47 <@Corydon76-dig> (including a CLEC whose VOIP routing I built)
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14:56 <@Evilpig> symantec endpoint protection is confusing as shit
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15:25 <@oddball> Yay! the phones magically came back! (PAETEC finally got around to testing it, but not fixing anything)
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15:40 <@rhia> Drawin just missed one: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/051408dnmetitch.f81a31c3.html
15:41 <@SkyDog_> Had to be a .22
15:42 <@Shadow404> lawl
15:43 <@oddball> could have been a flesh wound
15:44 <@SkyDog_> It still would have gone thru his ass, most likely.
15:45 <@Shadow404> if he was scratching horizontally with the end of the gun, then it could of just grazed his first few skin layers
15:45 <@SkyDog_> true.
15:45 <@Shadow404> hard to say without more information
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15:45 <@rhia> <Drag0n`> too bad it wasnt an ear itch
15:46 <@Shadow404> what i dont understand is why his friends weren't more serious with they heard the gun go off
15:46 <@Shadow404> rhia: lawl
15:46 <@Shadow404> unless there was just more than drinking or there was loud music
15:46 <+coil> rhia: texas breeds them good
15:46 <+coil> esp in the ft worth area
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15:50 <@Drag0n`> its all the cross breeding with the cows
15:53 <@polerin> wow.  that's brilliant.  Don't mess with texas indeed :P
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15:56 <@Drag0n`> don't mess with Texas, or the redneck gets it!
15:57 <@Drag0n`> oh wait, he did it for us
15:58 <+coil> he did it for the lulz
15:59 <@Drag0n`> suicide attempts should be punishable by death!
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16:13 <@rhia> TX definitely breeds 'em:
16:13 <@rhia> http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa080509_wz_chimney.e43902b1.html
16:16 <@polerin> BRILLIANT
16:20 < booker404> now he's going to turn around and sue the property owners for not properly capping the chimney
16:21 <+coil> rhia: did you hear about the houston teens dug up a grave and used a skull as a bong?
16:23 <@rhia> nope, but did hear of the Houston gal that left her prom in handcuffs cuz she was wearing a miniskirt and a 2 inch strap across her breasts
16:23 <@rhia> http://abcnews.go.com/US/BeautySecrets/story?id=4847506&page=1
16:23 <@polerin> rhia: oh what ever.  Prudes.
16:23 <+coil> http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080508_tj_pothead.df5885e1.html
16:24  * Lissa burps
16:24 <@oddball> polerin: eh, I saw pictures... she looked like a $5 whore
16:24 <@polerin> oddball: and that's her choice :P
16:24 <@rhia> and that Dallas cops apparently have been adding additional charges to their ticket books AFTER giving the ticket and letting the perp leave
16:24 <@polerin> I'm not saying I'd wear it.. I look horrid in yellow
16:24 <@polerin> :P
16:25 <@oddball> true, but the school has the right to have and enforce a dress code
16:25 <@rhia> http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/051308dnmetcitations.396defe.html
16:25 <@polerin> oddball: true.  prudes.  XD
16:25 <@polerin> anyway
16:26 <@rhia> she got cuffed for being belligerent, not for the dress
16:26 <@polerin> rhia: which doesn't supprise me, given what she was wearing
16:26 <@polerin> :)
16:26 <@rhia> if you get a ticket in Dallas - KEEP IT even after paying it off
16:27 <@polerin> yeah that's bullshit
16:27 <@rhia> DPD isn't exactly known for being .... clean
16:27 < ware> woot bikebandit.com order came in
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16:28 <+coil> rhia: yay i got driving course
16:28 <+coil> it's gonna be online
16:29 <+coil> for my ticket coming back from dallass
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16:41 <@oddball> so, someone just asked me if the earlier phone outage might have affected the fax....
16:42 <@brimstone> ssshhh phones are magic!
16:43 <@polerin> NO!
16:44 <@polerin> the phones have NOTHING TO DO WITH FXZESES
16:48 <+coil> rly?
16:48 <+coil> but fax runs off phonelines?
16:48 < ware> cwda
16:48 < ware> !!!
16:49 <@polerin> HERETIC!
16:49 <@polerin> shssh!
16:49 <+coil> no
16:54 <+coil> heretic?
16:54 <+coil> what's that polerin ?
16:54 <@brimstone> it's someone who uses fax machines
16:55 <@brimstone> have you used a fax machine coil?
16:55 <@brimstone> you might be a heretic
16:55 <+coil> nope
16:55 <+coil> i've never used a fax machine
16:55 <+coil> they're foreign to me
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16:56 <+coil> all i know about a fax machine is "PC LOAD LETTER"
16:56 <+coil> "what the fuck does that mean?"
16:58 <@polerin> :P
17:12 <@rhia> coil: that The Man is watching and all your correspondence had better be politically correct ;)
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18:11 <@sdodson> man, this sucks, my wifi adapter dies after a few hours
18:13 <+coil> :(((((((((((((((((((((
18:18 <+coil> sdodson: did you plug it in?
18:18  * coil ducks
18:19 <@sdodson> coil: yes, unplugging it and replugging it in fixes it
18:19 <+coil> usb? pci?
18:21 <@sdodson> coil: usb
18:21 <@sdodson> my critical data center runs on USB wifi adapters!
18:22 <+coil> i should stop while im ahead
18:22 <+coil> </3 tech support
18:22 <+coil> esp on computers
18:22 <@sdodson> coil: have you been fired yet?
18:22 <+coil> sdodson: probably lol
18:22 <+coil> or i quit
18:22 <@sdodson> you don't know :)
18:22 <@sdodson> hard dutiful lolz
18:22 <@Corydon76-dig> He walked out in frustration
18:23 <+coil> Corydon76-dig: you try to deal with these idiots
18:23 <@sdodson> coil: I wasn't talking to you
18:23 <+coil> "weres the start menu"
18:23 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: I wasn't talking to you
18:23 <@sdodson> coil: I was talking to you
18:23 <+coil> WHO WERE YOU TALKING TO
18:23 <+coil> oh
18:24 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: I've done my time in the trenches
18:24 <@Corydon76-dig> You try doing development while taking support calls
18:24 <+coil> i'd pass on that too
18:25 <@sdodson> ahw, are you giving a wonton joe talk?
18:26 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: been there, done that
18:26 <@polerin> lol
18:26  * coil shuts off phemon
18:26 <+coil> man
18:26 <+coil> that computer really heats up my room
18:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Or maybe there's just a hot guy in your room
18:27  * coil looks around
18:27 <+coil> nope i dont see anyone
18:28 <@Corydon76-dig> or a hothead
18:28 <+coil> yeah i have anger probelms
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18:28 <+coil> no patience either
18:28 <+coil> what else...?
18:28  * coil goes to shower
18:29 <@Corydon76-dig> picsplz
18:29 <+coil> i need to find some happy drugs
18:29 <@Lissa> heh
18:29 <+coil> hi Lissa
18:29 <+coil> how arey ou todya
18:31 <@Lissa> hiya
18:31 <@Lissa> i'm doing pretty good
18:31 <@Lissa> you?
18:32 <+coil> bad, but we wont go into that
18:40 <@Lissa> ?
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18:46 <+coil> im just being emo
18:47 <@Lissa> awww
18:47  * Lissa hugs
18:47 <@Lissa> no emo
18:47 <@Lissa> it doesn't suit you
18:56 <@hobbes615> ello' all
18:57 <+coil> im just recovering from this horrible hangovef
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19:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Evening, Eric
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19:53 < ware> http://u.nf/~w/projector.jpg
19:53 < ware> thats a slanted wall above my bed
19:54 < tcstool_> not bad
19:54 <@dasunt> Woot!
19:55 <@dasunt> ware: That looks like porn.
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19:59 < ware> its the wallpaper
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20:00 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3I64m0x6wI
20:10 <@dasunt> Oh god.
20:10 <@dasunt> I hope my search history never becomes public.
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20:30 <@dc0de> home.... *sigh*
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21:27 <@aestetix> Shadow404: you're a bith
21:27 <@aestetix> bitch
21:28 < AstralSin> what a nice thing to say
21:30 <@aestetix> he kicked me
21:30 <@aestetix> 07:12 -!- aestetix was kicked from #se2600 by Shadow404 [nothxbai]
21:30 <@aestetix> no reason
21:33 < AstralSin> ah
21:33 < AstralSin> well, you're an op too, return the favor :)
21:34 <@aestetix> True.
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21:43 < AstralSin> eye for an eye
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21:56 <@polerin> evening dc0de, see you made it back
21:57 <@ShadowHntr> sup dc0de
21:57 <@ShadowHntr> polerin
21:57 <@ShadowHntr> :)
21:57 <@dc0de> yeah, made it home...
21:57 <@dc0de> watching the astronaut farmer with my wife.
21:57 <@polerin> heh
21:57 <@polerin> hi shadow
21:59 <@ShadowHntr> i wanna see that
21:59 <@ShadowHntr> any good?
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22:23 <@dc0de> ShadowHntr: yeah, actually, sorry, wasn't paying attention to channel.
22:23 <@dc0de> it's a great movie...
22:23 <@ShadowHntr> that's alright
22:24 <@ShadowHntr> cool
22:25 <@dc0de> some funny clips
22:25 <@dc0de> and some nice writing...
22:25 <@dasunt> My foot hurts.
22:26 <@dc0de> Q: How do we know you're not building a Weapon of Mass Destruction? A: Because if I was, you'd never find it.
22:28 <@someninjaserver> `evening all
22:28 <@dc0de> sup someninjaserver
22:29 <@dc0de> well, that movie is over, and i'm exhausted. time for nighty nite.
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22:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Database question:  does it ever make sense for a SELECT to be part of a database transaction?
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm thinking no, because there's nothing to commit, but I don't know how some of the auto-increment fields work in some databases.
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> like "select next(id) from dual" in Oracle
22:53 <@Corydon76-dig> if you did that with autocommit off and you did a rollback, could that id be reused?
22:56  * brimstone has no idea
23:02 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm trying to figure out how to tell if there are uncommitted transactions on a database handle, and I think directly tracking the statements that run is going to be the best way
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> So I need to know if there's a way to have uncommitted stuff on a SELECT
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> gut says no, but there's weird stuff out there
23:09 < AstralSin> uncommitted?
23:09 < AstralSin> if its not in the database already, where is it?
23:10 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: being facetious?
23:11 < AstralSin> hm? no, i'm just not familiar with that database structure i suppose
23:12 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: do you only use mysql?
23:13 <@Corydon76-dig> transactions provide an atomic way to ensure that a bunch of queries all happen together
23:13 < AstralSin> thats where most of my experience lies, i've dealt with MSSQL but not coding anything for the backend
23:13 < AstralSin> coding anything with MSSQL as the backend*
23:13 < AstralSin> ah
23:13 <@Corydon76-dig> So you can start a transaction, do a bunch of inserts and updates, then commit them all... and the database always is in a consistent state
23:14 <@Corydon76-dig> or, if you decide halfway through that you don't want to continue, you can do a Rollback, and it's as if none of the queries were ever executed
23:14 < AstralSin> ahhh ok, so its like a .sql script
23:14 <@Corydon76-dig> No, it's even better
23:15 <@Corydon76-dig> With an sql script, you still can do a query between each statement
23:15 <@Corydon76-dig> and see an inconsistent, nonrepeatable state
23:16 <@Corydon76-dig> With transactions, you can force no possible in-between states
23:17 < AstralSin> i'm not sure i see the functional difference between the concepts if the sql script is implemented properly
23:18 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: multiple tables
23:19 <@Corydon76-dig> In any case, a script is not practical most of the time
23:19 < AstralSin> i work with multiple tables with mysql .sql scripts
23:19 <@Corydon76-dig> AstralSin: you lock the entire table, don't you?
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23:20 < AstralSin> uhh nope, what do you mean by lock?
23:20 <@Corydon76-dig> A transaction-capable database can allow queries to continue, even while the transaction is in flux
23:20 <@Corydon76-dig> LOCK TABLE foo;
23:20 < AstralSin> i've never had the need to do that
23:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Then I'm not sure how you're ensuring atomicity
23:21 < AstralSin> yeah you can do that though
23:21 <@Corydon76-dig> unless you're using the non-default tables.
23:22 <@Corydon76-dig> MyISAM is not transaction capable, but other backend formats (e.g. Berkeley) are
23:22 < AstralSin> i think you're working with different types of datasets than i've worked with
23:23 <@Corydon76-dig> You mean like millions of records?
23:23 < AstralSin> never had a db with that many records
23:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah
23:23 <@Corydon76-dig> It's fun.
23:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Even more fun when somebody requests a data export in XML and their XML parser grinds to a halt because the file size alone exceeds their total virtual memory
23:24 < AstralSin> i bet, but my expertise lies in network design and security :)
23:26 < AstralSin> my db experience lies primarily in web development, but i worked with mssql a tad at the technology center
23:29 < AstralSin> bedtime for me
23:29 < AstralSin> night
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23:43 <@ShadowHntr> god damn
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> some speed on this torrent
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> 450 KB/sec
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> :D
23:43 <@ShadowHntr> now up to 500 KB/sec
23:59 <+coil> oh man
23:59 <+coil> not good
23:59 <+coil> now my server computer just shuts off completely
23:59 <+coil> so the power supply is going bad?
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