--- Log opened Sun May 04 00:00:55 2008
00:01 <+coil> hi
00:27 <@dasunt> Gah.
00:28 <@dasunt> This troll is pissing me off on a forum I'm on.
00:28 <@Feltenix> link?
00:28 <@sdodson> dasunt: you lose
00:28 <@dasunt> Private forum.
00:28 <@Feltenix> aww
00:28 <@dasunt> He's not a dumb guy, he just doesn't have social skills.
00:28 <@dasunt> And when I say it, that's pretty sad.
00:28 <@Feltenix> indeed
00:29 <@dasunt> About 2-3 times a week, he does the intellectual equivalent of buying a picasso, going into learned detail about the painting, when it was composed, what it means, the significance of the technique, etc, then tearing it up and using it for toilet paper just to get a reaction.
00:29 <@dasunt> sdodson: Yep, I do lose.
00:30 <@sdodson> dasunt: sounds like coil
00:30 <@dasunt> Yah, but this person is gainfully employed.
00:30 <@dasunt> Oh, and has an *unhealthy* obsession with money.
00:30 <@maco> steal it?
00:31  * maco didn't say that
00:31 <+coil> sdodson: im a fail troll
00:31 <+coil> if he pissed off dasunt that's a ftw troll
00:31 <@dasunt> Oh, its easy to piss me off.
00:31 <@dasunt> And make me sad.
00:32 <@dasunt> Just leave a People magazine laying open where I can see it.
00:34 <+coil> i still suck at trolling
00:34 <+coil> so sdodson no
00:35 <@dasunt> coil: You have to act like you have potential first.
00:44 <+coil> how so
00:44 <@dasunt> Dunno.
00:44 <@dasunt> Meh.
00:48 <@dasunt> This may sound really sad, but I don't want to put up with the bullshit of dating.
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00:50 <@maco> dasunt: huh?
00:52 <@dasunt> It is too much trouble to find a mature human being in the first place, much less one that shares enough common interests and preferences to click.
00:52 <+coil> im a good date
00:52 <+coil> lets go out some time dasunt
00:52 <@dasunt> And if I do find that person, my own psychological scars then come into play and I will probably fuck it up.
00:52 <@dasunt> coil: Sorry, you aren't my type, but I'll go drinking with you!  :D
00:53 <+coil> im legal age now
00:53 <+coil> so you can have your way with me
00:53 <@brimstone> happy birthday!
00:54 <+coil> brimstone: months short and a buck late
00:54 <+coil> er wait
00:54 <+coil> brimstone: month late and a buck short
00:54 <@maco> dasunt: *shrug* i didnt have much trouble finding timball...just showed up to a LUG meeting as usual and he was there
00:55 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: coil is really good in bed; you'll like it.
00:56 <@sdodson> imagine that, single, educated guys at lug meetings.. what are the odds?
00:56 <@maco> sdodson: he doesnt normally go to LUG, says they're for noobs
00:56 <@sdodson> They are and I don't consider myself particularly knowledgable.
00:57 <@dasunt> Heh.
00:57 <@sdodson> They're full of marketing pitches or really basic topics.
00:57 <+coil> sdodson: asl
00:57 <@maco> but i was a single girl who'd just broken up with an annoyingly not-geeky old bf like um...the day before? maybe 2 days before
00:57 <@dasunt> Hmmmm.
00:57 <@dasunt> So vulnerable and not in your best state of mind.
00:57 <@dasunt> Gotcha!  I can use that strategy to find women!  *ducks*
00:57 <@sdodson> why else would she be at a lug meeting?
00:58 <@maco> nah i dumped the other guy, not the other way around :P
00:58 <@sdodson> honestly though, trilug meetings are pretty good when they're not marketing pitches
00:58 <@maco> he seemed to have issues with being ignored in favor of teh computer, though i cant imagine why
00:59 <@maco> timball's thankfully not like that :P
00:59 <+coil> k
01:00 <@maco> im not gonna try to say im not a noob though, regarding the lug thing
01:00 <+coil> ima pub nub
01:00 <@sdodson> pubstar!
01:02 <@dasunt> Yegads.
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09:07 <@brimstone> iron man is pretty good, saw it friday night
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10:48 <@polerin> seriously why the hell is it so hard to find *nix drivers for an old geforce card
10:49 <@polerin> there are refrences to the damn thing all over nvidia's site...  and I found the one for solaris, and linux IA32/IA64 and AMD64, but pray tell... why the hell would I be running a geforce 2 in a puter with a chip like that?
10:54 <@polerin> fuckers.. had to take the url from one of the ones I found and switch it to x86.  bastards.   :P
11:03 <@sdodson> polerin: for what OS?
11:04 <@sdodson> I've re-read what you've said four times and I'm still not sure what you mean. Don't be going all R3d2Dawn on me :)
11:14 <@dc0de> polerin; I have an old geforce2 and I'd put it in any system... it's a great "general purpose" card...
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12:32 < hotlarry> Evilpig: are you on?
12:33 < scort_> ugh irssi locked up in screen
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12:39 < ware> scort_: n00b
12:39 < scort_> nour
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13:01 < hotlarry> Mirage:  you up yet?
13:16 <@polerin> linux
13:23 <@polerin> it's saying that it's suported by a legacy driver, and is hard to find, now I need to compile the kernel interface, but that meens I need to d/l the kernel source over this slow ass sprint connection
13:23 <@polerin> :/
13:25 <@brimstone> polerin: which distro?
13:26 <@brimstone> it should be pretty easy to get the legacy nvidia drivers working in just about any linux distro
13:26 <@brimstone> debian and ubuntu at least, you only have to install the smaller linux-headers-* package, not the full source
13:28 <@aestetix> vagina
13:28 <@rattle> I really love my new espresso machine.
13:29 < ware> Typos are very important to all written form. It gives the reader something to look for so they aren't distracted by the total lack of content in your writing.
13:31 <@polerin> brimstone:  it's debian but too late now, I've got mostof itdonealready...
13:32 <@sdodson> yum install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-legacy
13:33 <@polerin> stupid lag across the ssh link ....  :/
13:33 <@polerin> .  87 percent right now
13:38 <@brimstone> polerin: sudo m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy
13:38 <@brimstone> m-a is your friend
13:39 <@sdodson> m-a a-i t-a-i
13:39 <@sdodson> plz kthnx
13:39 <@brimstone> nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6 even for a few kernels
13:39 < ware> anyone seen Network (1976) movie
13:41 <@brimstone> ware: no, but it looks reasonable
13:55 <@maco> rattle: i dont
13:55 <@maco> rattle: i still think you need to get some chai
13:55 <@maco> what was it you gave me thursday?
13:57 <@brimstone> huh, NIN is touring 8/12/08 Knoxville, TN [Knoxville Civic Coliseum]
14:06 < ware> nice
14:06 <@sdodson> I think I've heard of them before.
14:09 <@maco> O_o
14:12 <@polerin> heh
14:12 <@polerin> I want to go.. that'd be awesome
14:12 <@polerin> I'bvve missed the opportunity like 3 times
14:12 <@polerin> and I haet it
14:12 <@polerin> becaues I'm a huge NIN fan :P
14:12 < ware> if you were a fan you'da been
14:12 <@brimstone> yeah, some fan
14:12 <@brimstone> you've missed them like 3 times
14:13 <@sdodson> ooh burn!
14:14  * sdodson finds a feature request for yum
14:14 <@sdodson> Anytime a repo file is updated it should automatically expire caches.
14:14 <@brimstone> like, when the server updates it's repo?
14:15 <@brimstone> it should expire the caches on the clients?
14:15 <@sdodson> brimstone: Like when I downloaded a new fedora-release package, it will overwrite /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo with a new file.
14:16 <@maco> without you running yum update?
14:16 <@brimstone> so, it'll run yum update after each yum install?
14:16 <@sdodson> Since I had just updated my FC7 box immediately prior to updating fedora-release it was not interested in attempting to pull new repodata from the server.
14:17 <@brimstone> while true; do yum update; done &
14:17 <@brimstone> fixed
14:17 <@sdodson> brimstone: No, fedora-release package contains your repo configuration files. So yum should notice that those files have been updated, by installing a new fedora-release or when you manually modify the repo file by hand.
14:17 <@sdodson> brimstone: no
14:17 <@brimstone> i'm lost
14:17 <@brimstone> why are you changing repo config files?
14:17 <@sdodson> brimstone: Because I updated from F7 to F8.
14:18 <@maco> brimstone: think of it as like when you update your sources.list and change it from etch to lenny
14:18 <@maco> i think
14:18 <@brimstone> i don't want anything changing sources.list for me
14:18 <@brimstone> even if it's "helping"
14:18 <@maco> brimstone: no no, you change it
14:18 <@maco> then you want it to automatically run apt-get update
14:18 <@maco> instead of you doing it manually
14:19 <@maco> sdodson: am i getting what you're saying?
14:20 <@polerin> oh ffs.  now it can't load the kernel module :/
14:20 <@sdodson> polerin: do what brimstone says, he's wise
14:21  * brimstone is not wise
14:21  * brimstone has just done a few things once or twice
14:21 <@sdodson> maco: Right, that's essentially it.
14:21 <@polerin> sdodson: I'd do everything .. but I'm downloading at like freaking 14 k max
14:21 <@polerin> so everything I do is sorta tempered by the hour long downloads
14:22 <@sdodson> polerin: Even more reason to do it the right way.
14:22 <@polerin> I haven't done an update no this box in awhile for that reason
14:22 <@polerin> so the kernel isn't the latest
14:22 <@sdodson> brimstone: Nothing automatically updated those files. I went and downloaded, by hand, a new release file.
14:24 < hotlarry> Mirage: wake up
14:24 <@sdodson> maybe it does what i suspect it should, but since the release files were older than what I had possibly modified by hand it didn't pick it up.
14:24 <@brimstone> so, when you download that new release file, yumd or something is suppose to run yum update?
14:24 <@sdodson> brimstone: No, I ran that by hand.
14:25 <@brimstone> so you download the release file, ran yum update, and what's it suppose to do that it's not?
14:25 <@maco> youre confusing him
14:25 <@brimstone> man, i'm confused
14:25 <@maco> brimstone: he had to manually run yum update after adding the release file. he wants it to be automagic
14:25 <@maco> like if apt noticed "hey, sources.list changed, i'm gonna go update that for ya"
14:25 <@sdodson> brimstone: It should have cleared the cached data for the fedora-updates repo since the configuration for that repo changed.
14:25 <@brimstone> ok, so wait i said 3 lines up about yumd or something?
14:26 <@maco> well its not *supposed* to
14:26 <@maco> he wants it to be supposed to
14:26 <@maco> hence it being a feature request
14:26 <@brimstone> ah
14:26 <@sdodson> Since I had done an update of the fedora 7 updates repo immediately prior to installing the new repo config it would wait until the updates repo cache data had become stale before attempting to grab new data.
14:29 <@sdodson> So my desired behavior is : if repo-config.metadata != repo-config.metadata-last-run force-cache-expiration
14:29 <@brimstone> it sounds like since _you_ updated the repo file, yeah, i'd expect you to run yum update and yum dist-upgrade or whatever
14:30 <@sdodson> ya, there's no dist-upgrade
14:30 <@sdodson> but i think you understand what I mean now.
14:31 <@maco> wouldnt that require that yumd constantly poll that file for changes?
14:32 <@sdodson> I don't know, this is all stuff I'm doing manually. But yes, I'd expect any sort of yum monitoring daemon to pick up on changes to the repo config and expire the cache
14:32 <@sdodson> That's pretty trivial.
14:33 <@maco> but for it to be relatively instant itd need to keep checking for changes all the time
14:33 <@sdodson> maco: There are notification systems it could subscribe to.
14:33 <@sdodson> dbus would just need to emit an event on file modification
14:34 <@brimstone> sdodson: could yum update not just check the repo file and expire the cache if needed?
14:34 <@sdodson> brimstone: That's what I'm suggesting.
14:34 <@brimstone> gotcha
14:34 <@maco> what a circular conversation
14:34 <@brimstone> sounds like you got a patch to write!
14:34 <@sdodson> Stop thinking about anything that notices changes automatically, just think about me typing "yum upgrade" and it not expiring cached repo data when the repo config has changed.
14:35 <@brimstone> right
14:35 <@sdodson> For instance, say I changed my update repo to point to an internal mirror where I've pushed a custom update. Since the repo configuration has changed since the last run it should automatically expire data.
14:36 <@maco> im not sure how yum update works exactly because debian has 2 different commands for what it does
14:36 <@maco> does yum update not download updated package lists every time it's run?
14:37 <@sdodson> update and upgrade are essentially the same, not like apt-get where update simply updates the repo data.
14:37 <@maco> but are you saying it only does the repo data sometimes when it's run?
14:38 <@maco> only if the cache is expired?
14:38 <@sdodson> maco: Right, if the cached data has not expired then it won't bother even contacting the server. You have to tell it to clean the cache to force polling for new repo data
14:38 <@maco> ooo ok
14:39 <@maco> i thought it checked every time no matter what...like yast seems to
14:39 <@sdodson> no, we make it difficult for users to hammer the servers
14:42 <@maco> i kinda wonder if that's a jab at ubuntu
14:42 <@maco> since during the release 2 weeks ago everything went to hell
14:42 <@sdodson> Releases go to hell no matter what you do in order to prevent problems.
14:42 <@brimstone> yeah, i didn't even try 8.04, just went back to good ol' debian sid
14:43 <@maco> brimstone: 8.04 wasnt the problem. the servers couldn't take it
14:43 <@sdodson> I downloaded the livecd but i've not tried it.  Friends tell me it will fix all my video problems, so I wanted to try it just so I could let them know how wrong they are.
14:43 <@maco> at least ubuntu.com sorta kinda stayed up this time
14:43 <@brimstone> yeah, i noticed
14:44 <@maco> last time it was replaced with a white screen and black text saying they couldn't handle the load, but here's a download link
14:44 <@maco> they need to put torrents prominantly on the "get ubuntu" page
14:44 <@maco> as it is you need to go to a mirror's webpage and then look through their list to find the torrent file...which is silly
14:45 <@brimstone> torrents or promote some sort of udp swarming program where torrent's aren't permitted
14:45 <@brimstone> torrent's kind of have a bad name
14:45 <@sdodson> fedora really pushes use of torrent during release time.
14:45 <@maco> the torrent tracker went down every half hour or so
14:46 <@maco> thankfully they had distributed hashes as well so if you had already connected to the tracker once you could continue to download/upload
14:46 <@sdodson> fc6 took too many sites offline
14:46 <@maco> didnt fc6 take redhat offline?
14:47 <@sdodson> Yes, the mirror management stuff screwed up and they ended up being the only mirror that was referenced or somesuch
14:48 <@maco> ive been looking into ipv6 stuff lately, and it seems to me that anycast would be good for distros to take advantage of on their mirrors...you know...once people start using v6
14:49 <@maco> lots of people were getting failed ubuntu upgrades because their default mirror couldn't take it.  they didn't know about the "find the best mirror" button
15:06 <@SkyDog_> Anyone up for ironman at 9pm?
15:10 < eryc> ya
15:10 <@SkyDog_> Yeah yeah...
15:11 < eryc> maco: anycast isnt really used that way
15:18 <@maco> eryc: how's it used? the way it was described is that many IPs are mapped to the same URI and then the fastest one to respond is the one that is used
15:19 < R3d2Dawn> I am possibly, where at?
15:19 <@SkyDog_> Oprymills.
15:19 < R3d2Dawn> Right now, I am going with yes
15:19 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
15:20 <@SkyDog_> MIrage, and Ladymerlin have confirmed too.
15:20 < R3d2Dawn> Are we meeting their in the front or some where else
15:20 <@SkyDog_> Inside the mall, in front of the theatre.
15:20 <@SkyDog_> that work?
15:20 <@SkyDog_> Who else was wanting to go?
15:21 < R3d2Dawn> so is the commentary going to be on / off :)
15:21 <@ladymerlin> have you sat by Mirage durnigna movie?
15:21 <@SkyDog_> Commentary on what?
15:21 <@SkyDog_> ah, I see.
15:21 < R3d2Dawn> the movie
15:22 <@SkyDog_> I just make jokes at the previews.
15:22 < R3d2Dawn> no I have not but after hearing him talk the other night, I can see him providing commentary
15:22 <@ladymerlin> actually most of it comes in theparkign lot as were walkign to the car
15:22 <@SkyDog_> He's not that bad.
15:22 < R3d2Dawn> ahh!
15:23 < R3d2Dawn> He reminds me of a friend of mine in CA
15:23 < R3d2Dawn> they are very similar
15:23 <@SkyDog_> Well, I can handle him, he can't be too bad.
15:23 <@SkyDog_> I know nothing about comics. He's a guru.
15:23 <@polerin> crap....  nvidia-kernel-common isn't found
15:24 <@SkyDog_> polerin: Um, ask nicely?
15:24 < R3d2Dawn> I am not much of a comic either aside from just reading them
15:24 < R3d2Dawn> I lost interest when they kept side tracking with them
15:24 <@polerin> ....?   sorry i've been fighting with this for about 5 hours...
15:25 <@polerin> so uh...  patience thin
15:25 <@SkyDog_> polerin: Well, it's kicking your ass.
15:26 <@polerin> yeah you try working at 500 B/s
15:27 <@polerin> fuckin stupid sprint non EVDO middle of nowhere no cable no dsl blackhole for signal connection :(
15:27 <@maco> no cable??
15:27 <@polerin> manchester
15:28 <@polerin> smack in the brown nasty center of BFE.    Nice place and all but the connectivity SUCKS
15:29 <@polerin> feh... anyone able to do me a favor and find what repository the nvidia kernel common is in?
15:30 <@polerin> web browsing is SLooOOoOO
15:30 <@maco> BFE?
15:30 <@maco> im confused
15:31 <@polerin> bum fucking egypt
15:31 <@polerin> middle of nowhere.
15:31 <@maco> oh
15:31 <@maco> im still kinda confused...probably because im not from tennessee where it seems you all are from
15:32 <@maco> the only manchester i know is a bit of a ghetto of pittsburgh
15:32 < hotlarry> Ok, Who has unused cell phone(s) around that will take a sim card?\
15:33 <@SkyDog_> Dude, I got you the Razr!
15:33 < hotlarry> which started fucking up the 2nd day we had it:)
15:34 <@SkyDog_> NotLarry: Man. Worked fine for me for quite a while.
15:34 < hotlarry> sometimes the screen works, sometimes it won't dial, etc...:)
15:34 < hotlarry> I understand
15:35 <@SkyDog_> Sigh.
15:35 <@SkyDog_> The only other sim phone  have is my backup phone.
15:36 < R3d2Dawn> so are we seeing the regular screen, the big screen or the DLP Screen?
15:36 < R3d2Dawn> for Iron Man that is
15:36 <@SkyDog_> Regualr screen, I think.
15:37 < R3d2Dawn> and do we need to where any Iron man t-shirts :)
15:38 <@SkyDog_> Um, you're welcome to. We'll be the crowd staying away from you. :)
15:38 < R3d2Dawn> lol
15:39 <@SkyDog_> Ok, gotta jet. Bento boxes with LadyM.
15:39 <@SkyDog_> Catch you at 9pm.
15:39 < AstralSin> mmm bento
15:39 <@ladymerlin> woohoo!
15:39 <@SkyDog_> Yes.
15:40 <@SkyDog_> Steak bento, or I will have sushi.
15:40 < AstralSin> the bento boxes i get down here include sushi
15:41 <@ladymerlin> i want steak
15:42 <@polerin> quick IPtables question....  need to ensure that I can ssh into this box from my house...
15:42 < AstralSin> the steak bento from the japanese restaurant in town is amazing
15:43 < R3d2Dawn> Do you think we need to order tickes online
15:43 <@ladymerlin> red we always do
15:43 < R3d2Dawn> ok
15:43 <@polerin> I'm able to ssh into the internal interface, jus not the external... and as far as I know it's not bound to one or the other
15:44 < R3d2Dawn> so you fandagoo
15:44 <@ladymerlin> yup
15:44 < R3d2Dawn> well I would hope not since I meant to say fandango
15:44 < AstralSin> polerin: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN -m state --state NEW -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT
15:44 <@ladymerlin> close enougjh
15:44 < R3d2Dawn> is it worth paying that extra dollar or how ever much it is?
15:44 < AstralSin> that allows incoming ssh connections
15:45 <@polerin> danke
15:46 <@ladymerlin> beats standing in line
15:46 <@polerin> nada... hmm.. wonder if it's a sshd issue after all... crap
15:47 < AstralSin> you behind a router/firewall?
15:47 <@polerin> AstralSin: how can I make sure that sshd binds to a ppp interface?
15:47 <@polerin> it IS the router/firewall :P
15:47 < AstralSin> hmmm
15:47 < AstralSin> oh
15:47 <@polerin> hence "internal interface " ;)
15:47 < AstralSin> i have NO idea how to make sure of that, not even sure if you have to specify
15:48 < R3d2Dawn> so just to verify then we are seeing the 9PM what correct?
15:48 < AstralSin> it *should* bind to any ppp interface it finds by default
15:48 <@polerin> hmm
15:48 < hotlarry> Can we get back to talking about me and what I want?
15:48 < AstralSin> no
15:48 <@polerin> the ppp interface may not be up when I bring up the sshd, lemmie try restarting it
15:49 < AstralSin> that might be the problem
15:50 <@polerin> ...  nope.. still not even getting to the key exchange .
15:50 < AstralSin> weird
15:51 <@polerin> can ssh out, just not back in.  meh.
15:52 < hotlarry> polerin: what os?
15:52 < hotlarry> I just had this issue last month
15:52 < hotlarry> I had iptables on and had not put in a rule
15:52 < AstralSin> he just put in a rule
15:53 <@polerin> :P
15:54 < hotlarry> so, turn off iptables and see if it starts working
15:54  * polerin leaves part of that alone for now...  I'm trying to get the nvidia drivers working and my kernel is out of date.
15:54  * hotlarry prepares an all out assult
15:54 <@polerin> hotlarry: can't, it's the ipmasqing box
15:54 < hotlarry> So promote him
15:55 <@polerin> and the connection is so slow as to be unusable
15:55 <@polerin> for downloading large things in a timely manner
15:57  * polerin gives up and starts the apt-get upgrade.... ugh...
15:58 <@polerin> yay for download speeds measured in B/s
16:01 <@polerin> gotta figure out why this box is pulling less than a K per second...  the other ones are a little bit faster than that
16:01 <@polerin> ugh
16:01 < AstralSin> does the nic suck?
16:09 <@polerin> all the others are passing through it
16:09 <@polerin> heh
16:09 <@polerin> so... I doubt that 's the problem
16:18 <@dc0de> polerin; have you nailed up the duplex on the box/switches, and hardware along the path?
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16:26 < eryc> polerin: solution 1, drive to nearest starbucks and use their wifi
16:26 < eryc> polerin: solution 2, move
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18:30 <@brimstone> herm, i need a webbased viewer of a node network with 532 nodes and 800 edges between them
18:30 <@brimstone> this java app isn't cutting it anymore
18:30 <@brimstone> anyone have any ideas?
18:31 < AstralSin> try a program called "The Dude"
18:31 < AstralSin> wait
18:31 < AstralSin> thats not web based
18:31 < AstralSin> i dunno
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19:10 <@tcstool> Man I wish I could
19:10 <@tcstool> That would be awesome
19:15 <@brimstone> geebus, weather.com falls apart when you don't have javascript enabled
19:29 <@tcstool> Pretty much anything does anymore
19:41 <@maco> washingtonpost.com doesn't even SAY "washington post" anywhere if you don't have js enabled
19:41 <@maco> i once had an email there from a user on dialup saying washingtonpost.com freezes their computer
19:42 <@maco> one of the other guys in the cube goes "it's not frozen. there's just so much js it'd take over a half hour to download on dialup"
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22:41 <+scort> hi
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23:14 <@someninjaserver> sup remo
23:15 <@remoford> heya/
23:22 <@JimShoe> evening people
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23:45 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
23:46 <+scort> hai
23:48 <@aestetix> vagina
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