--- Log opened Mon Apr 21 00:00:38 2008
00:11 <@NotLarry> ahh kids, I'm out
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00:40 <@mtown_nerd> Soo...learned tonight that Vista apparently has a problem in its video memory manager in handling virtual memory addressing.
00:40 <@mtown_nerd> Surprise factor: 0
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06:39 <@ladymerlin> whee
07:20 < Shadow404> meow
07:22 < aestetix> god
07:22 < aestetix> I slept for probably 30 of the 48 hours over saturday and sunday
07:22 < aestetix> and I'm still tired
07:25 < Shadow404> yeah, i know how you feel
07:25 < Shadow404> i barely got out of bed
07:25 < Shadow404> then scothick sprayed me with a water gun
07:25 < Shadow404> ...dont worry,  got her back
07:26 < aestetix> She squirts, huh?
07:26 < Shadow404> lawl
07:26 < Shadow404> get your mind out of the gutter
07:26 < Shadow404> there is only room for one of us
07:26 < aestetix> in the gutter?
07:27 < Shadow404> yea
07:27 < aestetix> how far did she squirt?
07:28 < aestetix> I mean, water guns normally have a short range
07:29 < Shadow404> .....
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07:53 < ware> weee motorcycle
07:53 <@Shadow404> wish i could of rode mine to work today
07:53 <@Shadow404> but i felt like shit after last nights party
07:54 <@I-MOD> i don't see how you guys even make it into the gutter with me permanently anchored there
07:54 <@Shadow404> way to much jack n cokes
07:54 <@Shadow404> I-MOD: you have no idea how censored my shit is in channel
07:54 <@Shadow404> heh
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08:06 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:06  * dmcmorris_esi yawns
08:08 <@Dolemite> I-MOD : Seriously, if Shadow404 didn't censor himself, he'd be talking about all the cock he sucks on a daily basis
08:08 <@I-MOD> understood
08:09  * I-MOD pushes Shadow404 back out of the gutter
08:11 <@Shadow404> heh
08:19 <@Shadow404> so i got my passport out for st. lucia, and i just noticed i only have 3 pages left on it
08:19 <@Shadow404> and it exprires in 2011
08:20 <@Shadow404> i guess all those trips to tiawana filled up the pages
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08:23 < dmcmorris_esi> hmm... I'm sure there's some procedure to "add" pages
08:24 <@Dolemite> there is
08:24 <@Dolemite> I had to have pages added to mine when I worked for Sun
08:25 <@Dolemite> You fill out a piece of paper, send it off to the passport office with a small fee and they rebind your passport with more pages in the center
08:26 <@Shadow404> awesome, how long are you without a passport though?
08:26 <@Shadow404> do the give you a temp passport while its in the process of getting rebinded?
08:26 <@Dolemite> No
08:27 <@oddball> Yeah... today's going to be fun...One of my friends invited me to celebrate passover last night.
08:27 <@Dolemite> I think it took about a week, but that was before the big backlog.
08:29 <@Shadow404> grrr, that sux, so u have to plan your trips around the passport rebinding
08:29 <@brimstone> SURPRISE!
08:29 <@Shadow404> oddball: that a good thing or a bad thing?
08:30 < dmcmorris_esi> "How to Add Extra Pages to Your U.S. Passport" (http://travel.state.gov/passport/fri/add/add_850.html)
08:31 <@oddball> 1. I didn't get back until late because none of the other folks had to work this morning, 2. You're supposed to drink 4 glasses of wine during the ceremony, then have dinner.
08:31 <@oddball> So, I'm a bit on the sleep deprived side this morning.
08:32 <@Corydon76-lap> oddball: so, you look more like a zombie than usual?
08:32 <@oddball> yep
08:34 <@Shadow404> at least theres no fee for the additional pages
08:34 < dmcmorris_esi> you can expedite for $60 ;)
08:34 <@Shadow404> dont need it
08:34 <@Shadow404> il get by on this trip and then ill send it off to them
08:35 < dmcmorris_esi> then there's that emergency trip to Amsterdam that will pop up... ;)
08:35 <@Shadow404> na, you get better deals in south america now days with gas prices
08:35 < dmcmorris_esi> is it as fun?
08:35 <@Shadow404> na, but cheaper
08:36 <@Shadow404> the fun starts when u get it home, imho
08:36 < dmcmorris_esi> If I'm going to take risks like that, I'm going to have the utmost fun I can  ;)
08:37 <@Shadow404> weee, built a script that pulls the running configs from our servers in a datacenter via tftp
08:37 < dmcmorris_esi> nice! ;)
08:38 <@Shadow404> now i just have to setup the task scheduler and backup to our raid
08:38 <@Shadow404> sometimes busy work is better than real work
08:38 < dmcmorris_esi> stupid me forgot to enable SSH on one of our new servers... so I will have to get up there sometime again :-/
08:39 <@Shadow404> no remote hands?
08:39 < dmcmorris_esi> bleh, I like being up there anyway ;)
08:39 <@Shadow404> oi, i know im gonna get the random search printed on my ticket
08:40 <@Shadow404> its been like 4 times in a row
08:40 <@Shadow404> if it was really random, i have horrible luck
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08:42 < dmcmorris_esi> I was searched "randomly" last time... I suspect it was because of the motor oil stain on my carryon
08:43 <@Shadow404> heh, i bet its because a certain project on my site got attention by a not so nice person and i got questioned by certain people about certain project and the not so nice person that contacted me
08:44 <@Dolemite> "RomanceScams.org also lists a few red flags to detect a possible scammer: If their spelling is horrible, they use emoticons heavily and they appear to be available at unusual hours for your time zone, they may be scamming you."
08:44 < dmcmorris_esi> oh admit it... that DonkeyBangers archive was yours ;)
08:44 <@Dolemite> Ok, 95% of you motherfuckers are scammers according to that
08:44 <@Dolemite> because you can't spell worth shit
08:44 < ware> lol
08:44  * ware rode in @ 90-100mph in the HOV
08:44 < ware> <3 it
08:45 <@oddball> Dolemite: wat u talken abot? I speel gud!
08:45 <@Shadow404> ware: thats dangerous, it takes just one single driver asshole to cut you off and your gone
08:46 <@someninjamaster> not to mention the reckless driving charge
08:46 <@Shadow404> ware: and by gone, i mean, dead, as in now previous save points or backups
08:46 < ware> thats why you pay attention
08:46 <@Dolemite> don't forget about being online at "unusual hours for your time zone"
08:46 < ware> and the HOV lane has a safety lane to the left ;)
08:46 <@Shadow404> ware: do u think you can pay attention enogh to react at 90-100mph when someone swerves into the hov in front of you
08:47 <@Shadow404> heh, i did see a stupid motorcyclist get what was coming to him last wekend
08:48 <@Shadow404> he drove past us in a gorup of about 4 riders doing wheelies and stoppies all over the highway
08:48 <@someninjamaster> how far did his body slide
08:48 <@Shadow404> they past us swerving in and out of traffic
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08:48 <@Shadow404> 2 miles down the road, traffic came to a halt and ambulances screaming past in the emergency lane
08:48 <@Shadow404> dude, his bike was 40 feet in front of him
08:48 <@Shadow404> and his skull was split wide open
08:48 <@Shadow404> he was a goner
08:48 <@SkyDog_> NO helmet?
08:49 <@Shadow404> he had those half helmets
08:49 <@someninjamaster> darwinism in action
08:49 <@Shadow404> thing was laying next to the bike 40 feet away
08:49 <@SkyDog_> What a douche.
08:49 <@Shadow404> huge stream of blood on the hill
08:49 <@Shadow404> kind of gruesome, but i jsut laughed cause he deserved it
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08:50 <@Shadow404> thats why i have full helmet, i only pull stupid shit without traffic around and no danger to other but myself and wear full gear when i do that stupid shit
08:50 <@Shadow404> like arm and knee pads, full riding boots and reinforced gloves
08:51 <@Shadow404> and for casual riding i still wear my kevlar jeans and full helmet
08:52 < ware> i was doing wheelies this weekend on my dads 250 @ the farm
08:52 <@Shadow404> awesome
08:52 <@Shadow404> i still have my 250, needs a new carb though
08:52 < ware> almost rolled out cause you gotta stand on the back pegs to get it up and i had no back brake
08:52 <@Shadow404> back pegs?
08:52 <@Shadow404> huh?
08:53 < ware> rear foot pegs
08:53 < ware> its an 80 model enduro
08:53 <@Shadow404> no dude, to get it to lift the front, you lean back, pull on the bars, and hit the gas, but then lean forward to balance and hold instantly
08:53 <@Shadow404> my 250 is a honda from 87'
08:53 < ware> really?
08:54 < ware> no wai!
08:54 <@Shadow404> yeah, why would you stand of the pegs?
08:54 < ware> cause it doesnt have the unf
08:54 <@Shadow404> if your foot slipped, you would have your toes ripped of by the chain or tire spokes
08:54 < ware> k
08:54 <@Shadow404> tell me you had boots on at least?
08:54 <@Shadow404> plz
08:54 <@brimstone> flipflops
08:54 <@Shadow404> brimstone: wouldnt suprise me
08:55 <@Shadow404> really wouldnt
08:55 < ware> no i was doing it barefoot with my overalls only 1 strap on
08:55 <@Shadow404> yep, sounds like ware
08:55 < ware> :D
08:55 <@someninjamaster> he was doing wheelies to impress the cows
08:56 <@someninjamaster> and maybe get some action
08:56 <@Shadow404> nice
08:56 <@Shadow404> poor things
08:56 <@Shadow404> bet he doesnt even wine and dine them first
08:57 <@SkyDog_> I did some plumbing work at my brother's house while wearing jeans and flip-flops.
08:58 <@Shadow404> plumbing work <> doing wheelies on the back pegs of a motorcycle with chaines and spokes that could rip of your toes
08:58 <@Shadow404> hmm, whats more dnagerous
08:58 < ware> <><><><><><><><><><><>
08:58 <@Shadow404> "<>" means not equal too
08:58 < aestetix> Does photoshop save thumbnail metadata?
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08:59 <@Shadow404> aestetix: depends on version
08:59 <@Shadow404> is there a way for you to check the output?
08:59 < aestetix> I mean thumbnail metadata that is stored in a jpg
08:59 <@Shadow404> aestetix: also check for an output plugin designed for that
09:02 <@Shadow404> ware: i showed u the 6 foot gash in my leg from where a dirt bike peg went in my leg?
09:02 < aestetix> I'm looking at some exif metadata
09:02 < aestetix> Some images say "Thumbnail", some say "Photoshop Thumbnail"
09:02 <@Shadow404> er, six inch
09:03 < ware> nop
09:04 <@Shadow404> yeah, i was in a mx race and some guy crashed the pack i was in and someone bike feel on top of my leg and the peg went into my leg
09:04 <@Shadow404> didnt hit the muscle, but messed up a lot of tissue
09:04 <@Shadow404> 20 stiches to close that cut up
09:05 < ware> youch
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09:18 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
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09:34 < aestetix> "SECRETARY CHERTOFF: Well, first of all, a fingerprint is hardly personal data because you leave it on glasses and silverware and articles all over the world, they.re like footprints. They.re not particularly private."
09:34 < aestetix> I'm glad DHS is in such good hands.
09:36 < aestetix> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/16/chertoff-fingerprints/ referring url
09:40 <@Dolemite> I love it when people whine to me begging for a temporary card to get into the office area
09:40 <@Dolemite> </sarcasm>
09:40 <@Dolemite> a.  Stop forgetting your badge at home
09:40 <@Dolemite> b.  Employee Handbook says you _must_ carry your badge with you at all times
09:41 <@Dolemite> c.  If you weren't so lazy you'd realize that the fingerprint reader at the other end of the hall will let you in and then you can _walk_ around to your office
09:41 <@Dolemite> ok, I'm done
09:41 <@Dolemite> :)
09:43 < aestetix> Heheh.
09:43 < aestetix> In the four months I've been at this job
09:43 < aestetix> I have *never* forgotten my badge.
09:43 <@Dolemite> I got the fingerprint readers added to at least one door on each floor so that I could get out of the temporary card business
09:43 <@brimstone> well, you're smarter then the average bear
09:44 < aestetix> And given all the crazy shit that happened to me this weekend.....
09:44  * oddball remembers having to harrass people about the temp cards and starts rocking back and forth.
09:49 <@Dolemite> ok, time for the weekly meeting
09:52 <@nachoguy> aestetix, will I regret asking you what happened to you this weekend?
09:52 < aestetix> heheh
09:52 < aestetix> friday, went to a rave
09:52 < aestetix> saturday and sunday were spent recovering
09:53 < aestetix> even though the only "drug" I had was a $9 vodka redbull
09:53 < aestetix> Oh yeah, somehow I wound up on a couch cuddling with my friend's girlfriend
09:53 < aestetix> She claimed they were poly
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10:01 < aestetix> nachoguy: did you do anything fun?
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10:09 < ware> lol
10:09 < ware> nagios bitches can eat tits
10:09 <@tzanger> haha
10:09 <@tzanger> mmmm tits
10:12 < ware> i swear
10:12 < ware> she unfcakes at night over this shit
10:12 < ware> EVENT LOG FAILED OMG SUMONE SET US UP TEH BOMB ALERT TERROR LEVEL 5 FUCK!
10:12 <@tzanger> heh
10:13 <@tzanger> you should reprogram all nagios alerts into terror levels
10:13 < ware> i want to roundhouse her in the teeth
10:15 < ware> ware.is.a.network.dj 66.254.115.199
10:15 < ware> hehe
10:18 < ware> happy bday rattle
10:21 <@Shadow404> dude, gta IV is gonna be the shit
10:22 <@Shadow404> im trying to complete san andreas before it releases
10:22 < aestetix> ok
10:22 < aestetix> I want to write a web app that can generate word documents
10:23 < aestetix> Is there any significant barrier for using PHP?
10:23 < aestetix> I know PHP really well. Whereas ASP.NET is basically designed for the task.
10:24 < ware> 'whats a SID jay?'
10:24 < ware> "something i went to the doctor for"
10:24 <@rhia> http://richarddawkins.net/forum/download/file.php?avatar=7311_1195305744.jpg
10:24 <@brimstone> aestetix: you can use asp.net for that
10:24 < aestetix> brimstone: I realize this.
10:24 < aestetix> I know PHP way, way better though.
10:24 <@brimstone> it'll work just as well, if not better then php
10:25 <@brimstone> you can drag and drop the word widget from the toolbar to every page you want that functionality
10:25 < aestetix> The question boils down to..... is it worth figuring this out in PHP, or is time better spent figuring it out in ASP.NET?
10:25 <@brimstone> asp.net is leading the business online web2.0 consumer market
10:25 < aestetix> But it sucks.
10:25 <@brimstone> you'll just be 5 to 10 years behind if you stick with php
10:26 < aestetix> asp.net is seriously a bloated piece of shit. At least with PHP I don't have to deal with as many gay abstraction layers.
10:26 < aestetix> On the other hand, yeah.
10:26 < aestetix> asp.net looks way better on a resume.
10:27 < aestetix> It's like the time I took MIX assembly off my resume after I realized HR recruiters didn't know who Knuth was.
10:27 <@brimstone> just <%%> instead of <??> basically the same thing
10:27 < dmcmorris_esi> aestetix: I don't know if this may help (http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/package/3553.html).
10:28 < aestetix> dmcmorris_esi: thanks
10:28 < aestetix> brimstone: you see my dilemma, right?
10:28 <@brimstone> yup
10:28 < aestetix> It's basically... do I create something to boost myself, or something I know I can make moderately elegant.
10:29 <@brimstone> just learn and use asp.net?
10:29 <@brimstone> grab yourself a copy of win2k8 server and go to town
10:29 <@nachoguy> aestetix, I went to a cubs game on Saturday, say the forgetting Sarah Marshall movie on Sunday.  A relaxing weekend
10:30 < aestetix> oh that movie
10:30 < aestetix> It's the one I've seen signs for all over the trains
10:30 <@nachoguy> it was pretty good
10:30 < aestetix> Since the inyourface NYC ad style is the only way I know what's going on in pop culture anymore
10:31 <@nachoguy> it's another Judd Apatow movie.
10:34 <@Dolemite> short meetings rock
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10:43  * aestetix dances to the happy hardcore
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10:52 <@SkyDog_> The worst part about putting up a website is the damn content. Sigh.
10:52 <@Dolemite> agreed
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10:55 < aestetix> Two 12-year old Girl Scouts from Ann Arbor, MI, Madison Vorva and Rhiannon Tomtishen, have refused to go door to door shilling cookies this year upon learning that Tagalongs, Thin Mints and other Troop-approved sugary confections are made using palm oil, which, due to harvesting methods, is not only incredibly damaging to the environment but to Indonesian orangutans. Says Vorva, "We've seen pictures of orangutans set afire and beaten. You really want to rea
10:56 < aestetix> I can't wait until they're 18 and doing porn.
10:56 < dmcmorris_esi> truncated "you really want to rea"
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10:56 < aestetix> You really want to reach out and do all you can to help save them."
10:56 < dmcmorris_esi> yeah... I really want to reach out to 12-year old girl scouts...
10:57 <@oddball> and set them on fire?
10:57 <@Shadow404> ill do the beating, if you set them on fire?
10:57 < aestetix> christ
10:57 < aestetix> I don't understand why these morons insist on sending us images encapsulated in word documents
10:57 < aestetix> Why not just attach the fucking image?
10:58 <@Evilpig> we talking about beating a burning the girlscouts or hte monkeys?
10:58 < dmcmorris_esi> dey dunno how?
10:58 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: why not both
10:58 <@Evilpig> good point
10:58 <@Evilpig> aestetix: I have a user that will only send me BMP images
10:58 < dmcmorris_esi> We have customers who send screenshots in .docs... they don't know how to make them into image file
10:58 <@nachoguy> Evilpig, that's the $5 combo, it also comes with Fries and a shake
11:00 < dmcmorris_esi> if they're set ablaze, they'll certainly be frying and shaking
11:02 < aestetix> I love when girls are giving presentations in the conference room.
11:02 < aestetix> There's a window so I can glance in and watch her moving around, but can't hear what she's saying.
11:02 <@nachoguy> dmcmorris_esi>  you win!
11:03 < dmcmorris_esi> ok, I
11:03 < dmcmorris_esi> I'm going home on a sick day
11:04 < dmcmorris_esi> unrelated to the above
11:04 < dmcmorris_esi> ;)
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11:15 <@rattle> ware: Thanks for the happy birthday earlier..
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11:21 <@oddball> rattle: I didn't know it was your birthday
11:21  * oddball dumps a bucket of confetti over rattle's head
11:22 < aestetix> rattle: did your hooker come in the mail yet?
11:23 < ware> rattle: np, saw it on the social netwerkinz
11:25 <@rattle> :)
11:26 <@Neoteric> wait! how old is rattle now?
11:26 <@Neoteric> like old enough for strippers?
11:28 <@rattle> Thirty-one
11:32 < aestetix> god
11:32 < aestetix> that's fucking old, man
11:32 <@Neoteric> rattle: this is what you missed yesterday: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/products/?prod=PNS&version=1&glossary=1
11:33 <@Neoteric> amazingly... the tornado hit a trailer park.
11:33 <@Neoteric> HOW DO THEY DO THAT!
11:33 <@Evilpig> tornado magnets built into the base of the trailor
11:34 < aestetix> Wait, the heroic toaster didn't save the trailer park?
11:34 < aestetix> god damnit why do cartoons always have to lie
11:35 <@Neoteric> .A TORNADO THEN TOUCHED DOWN IN CHILLUM AT
11:35 <@Neoteric> A WATER PARK NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF SARGENT ROAD AND RAY ROAD.
11:35 <@Neoteric> TREE DAMAGE WAS NOTED AT THE SPLASH PARK.
11:41 <@Dolemite> Neoteric : I am declaring a food consumption challange between you and Jeff Wee-Eng at the next PN.
11:41 <@Dolemite> s/challange/challenge
11:48 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: asians do not fight other asians my brother.
11:48 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: and I'll throw down on some prince's hot chicken.
11:48 <@rattle> Neoteric:  The chinese and japanese?  The koreans and the koreans?
11:49 <@Neoteric> rattle: gooks don't count
11:49 <@Neoteric> and nips don't count either
11:49 <@Neoteric> neither do vietnam, laos, mongolia, burma (myanmar), or india
11:49 <@Neoteric> singapore + indonesia are fine
11:50 <@brimstone> i wish us americans had fun racial names, but no, foreigners just call us "americans"
11:50 <@rattle> What about the PRC and Taiwan, and Tibet?
11:50 <@Corydon76-lap> brimstone: you forget "infidels"
11:50 <@rattle> If Chinese don't fight Chinese, why all the missiles aimed at Taiwan?
11:51 <@Corydon76-lap> and "the Great Devil"
11:51 <@Neoteric> rattle: one china, tibet is the quebec of china.
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11:51  * Dolemite is Gwai Lo
11:51 <@Neoteric> rattle: those aren't missles, they're fireworks for chinese new year...
11:52 <@brimstone> Corydon76-lap: those don't count, they're not onomatopoeias
11:52 <@rattle> Well, in that case..  Fire away!
11:52 <@Neoteric> roughly translated napalm is "freedom rain"
11:53 <@Corydon76-lap> brimstone: after Jeff Dunham, I think "infidel" has caught on
11:54 <@Corydon76-lap> "Good eeeevening... infidel"
11:55 <@brimstone> i'd wager to say that infidel was used before jeff dunham put it in his skit
11:58 <@Dolemite> NSFW
11:58 <@Dolemite> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f27_1208563235&p=1
11:58 <@Dolemite> Philippine surgeons cheer after removing a 6 inch body spray canister from drunk patient's rectum
11:58 <@Dolemite> and they posted the video
11:58 <@Dolemite> rofl
11:59 <@Dolemite> As a doctor gingerly pulls out the 6-inch long canister from the male patient's rectum, someone shouts, "Baby out!" amid loud cheers.
11:59 <@Dolemite> Damn, there's a whole crowd of onlookers in the video
11:59 <@Corydon76-lap> Nice
11:59 <@brimstone> you have no right to sue the doctors that fix your dumb ass mistake
12:00 <@Dolemite> heh, we even see the X-Rays
12:00 <@Dolemite> LOL
12:00 <@polerin> lol
12:00 <@Corydon76-lap> There is some benefit to posting that video... if it prevents others from sticking weird objects up there
12:00 <@Dolemite> like gerbils?
12:00 <@Corydon76-lap> Ewww
12:00 <@Corydon76-lap> I've never heard of that outside urban legends
12:01 <@Corydon76-lap> The typical is shampoo bottles... with the usual excuse "I slipped in the shower"
12:02 <@Dolemite> Don't know about the live animals, but my sister used to be a night ER nurse in Ft. Lauderdale...   she's had some funny stories about various bottles and other household items that she's helped remove
12:02 <@Corydon76-lap> House had an episode with an mp3 player
12:02 <@Corydon76-lap> Don't know if that's emulaing real life or not
12:02 <@Dolemite> She said that the contoured 20 oz. Coke bottles were the most popular at the time
12:03 <@poiupoiu> i'm sure that people have emulated that episode of House Corydon76-lap
12:03 <@poiupoiu> people emulating tv emulating people
12:03 <@Dolemite> I think Shadow404 did taht just last night
12:03 <@Corydon76-lap> I have heard of a light bulb, as well... was difficult to remove without breakage
12:03 <@Neoteric> who wants to bet on Hilldog?
12:04 <@brimstone> i'll bet
12:04 <@Dolemite> My sister said that they also got people that "self catheterized"
12:04 <@brimstone> what are we betting on?
12:04 <@Corydon76-lap> Dolemite: auuuuuuuugh
12:04 <@Corydon76-lap> Okay, now you know how to make my toes curl
12:06 <@Corydon76-lap> SkyDog_: you remember what I told you on Saturday?  I corrected for that time lapse Saturday night.
12:07 <@Dolemite> sure
12:07 <@Dolemite> wrong window
12:07 <@Corydon76-lap> Dolemite: ambiguous
12:12 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-lap: Um, congrats. The next question is the direction you took in your endeavour.
12:14 <@Corydon76-lap> SkyDog_: the easy way
12:15 <@Corydon76-lap> Same decision you'd take if the choice was fucking DoS or Ses
12:19 <@Dolemite> You decided to keep it in your pants.  Good call.
12:19 <@Corydon76-lap> See "corrected"
12:20 <@Dolemite> There's not enough context for anyone outside of your conversation to follow
12:21 <@Corydon76-lap> Dolemite: if I had put enough context in, people would be asking for the brain bleach
12:21 <@Dolemite> The fact that you mentioned the possibility of anyone every fucking DoS, I think they're already seeking it
12:21 <@Dolemite> s/every/ever/
12:22 <@Corydon76-lap> Dolemite: I got SkyDog to admit that he'd rather fuck a guy than fuck DoS
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12:23 <@Dolemite> ROFL
12:23 <@Dolemite> I like my answer better - keep it in your pants
12:23 <@Dolemite> Go home, look at the Emma Watson upskirt pics and spank it like there's no tomorrow.
12:25 <@Shadow404> heh, ill stick with Angelina Joilie
12:25 <@Dolemite> Joilie?  Is that the tranny down at Backstreets that you like so much?
12:25 <@Shadow404> *jolie
12:30 <@Neoteric> brimstone: who's gonna win the primary tomorrow.
12:31 < aestetix> This is classic
12:31 < aestetix> http://www.kentucky.com/779/story/380893.html
12:31 < aestetix> 13 year old charged with a felony for putting peanut butter cookies in a classmates lunch box
12:32 <@polerin> lol
12:32 <@Shadow404> felony, ffs, did the classmate die?
12:33 <@tzanger> nope
12:33 <@tzanger> no reaction
12:33 <@Shadow404> geez, ffs
12:33 <@Dolemite> If it has been well communicated that someone is allergic to peanuts, and you purposefully put peanuts in with their food, then that is the same as putting poison in their food.
12:33 <@Shadow404> but hes 13 years old
12:34 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: what if to me poison is the stink that waffes off of white people?
12:34 <@Dolemite> So if he'd pulled a gun on the other kid and missed, you wouldn't want to charge him with a felony?
12:34 < aestetix> No.
12:34 < aestetix> I would rather he be disciplined by the school.
12:34 <@Dolemite> Neoteric : Then you should go back to Asia, you damn slant eye!
12:34 <@Neoteric> hehehe
12:35  * Dolemite hugs Neoteric
12:35 < aestetix> Why the fuck do they need to outsource their punishments to law enforcement, let alone federal law enforcement?
12:35 <@tzanger> aestetix: what would you have done
12:35 <@tzanger> a lot of these fucking kids think they're untouchable
12:35 < aestetix> tzanger: probably given the kid a week of suspension.
12:35 <@ladymerlin> week of suspension for teyign to kill a kid?
12:36 <@tzanger> aestetix: I thought of that too, but then I thought of my own 12yo
12:36 <@tzanger> a week suspensions would be a treat for him
12:36 <@Dolemite> One week of suspension for something that could very easily have killed another child?  What a fucking pushover you are.
12:36 <@Dolemite> My son is allergic to peanuts
12:36 < aestetix> That *could* have.
12:36 <@tzanger> none of my kids have food alergies, thank god
12:36 < aestetix> Ok, would you rather have the kid publicly arrested and jailed, and scarred for life?
12:36 <@tzanger> aestetix: what if a kid pulled a gun and took a shot at another, and missed?
12:36 <@tzanger> a week suspension for that too?
12:36 <@Dolemite> I *know* how quickly it can go into a life or death situation
12:37 <@tzanger> at 13 the kid knew what he was doing
12:37 < aestetix> Are you really equating a gunshot with cookies?
12:37 <@tzanger> felony charges, I'm not so sure I'd push for, but a week in boot camp, sure
12:37 <@Dolemite> aestetix : Yes, food allergies are THAT serious
12:37 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix: I don't see too much of a difference
12:37 <@tzanger> aestetix: absolutely.  nut allergies *can* be that deadly
12:37 <@tzanger> it's insane
12:37 <@Dolemite> We had to take my son to the Emergency Room once after simply walking through a candy store
12:37 < aestetix> So we're focused on prevention, rather than what actually happened.
12:38 < aestetix> So you'd fucking arrest him. For peanuts.
12:38 <@tzanger> I didn't say that, now did I
12:38 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix: it's attempted murder
12:38 < aestetix> Oh christ.
12:38 <@Dolemite> aestetix : It's all about intent
12:38 <@tzanger> the kid did something he KNEW was potentially deadly.  As I said I don't think the kid should have felony charges brought to him, but something like a week or two in a juvenile boot camp school sounds more apporpriate to me
12:38 < aestetix> Dolemite: if that's true, then every guido at a bar should be arrested for rape
12:38 <@Dolemite> If the child accidentally shared a peanut butter cookie with my son, I'd understand that it was an accident, but because he was trying to see what he could make happen, it changes things
12:38 <@tzanger> Dolemite: exactly
12:39 <@Corydon76-lap> "I intended to miss" is not a defense in a shooting
12:39 <@tzanger> kids make mistakes.  if it's an honest mistake that's one thing.  but this twitt knew that the kid had a severe allergy and didn't give a shit
12:40 <@Dolemite> That's why my job as a parent is to educate my son (once he's old enough to understand) to stay away from anything with peanuts and to know how to safely tell if his food has been cooked with them
12:40 <@Corydon76-lap> Dolemite: and your house is already free of nuts...
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12:41 <@Dolemite> Well, except for mine.  That is until I can get fixed. ;)
12:41 <@Corydon76-lap> wrong window, again?
12:42 <@Dolemite> nope
12:42 <@Corydon76-lap> They don't remove nuts...
12:42 <@Dolemite> Yes, yes, I know :P
12:43 <@Dolemite> Anyway, our house is free of tree nuts and peanuts, though my wife and I do have some peanut butter items hidden away in top shelves for when we get the opportunity to eat it
12:43 < ware> stupid ex cunt telling me i owe her IT support
12:44 < ware> $125/hr + travel ho
12:44 <@tzanger> ware: huh
12:44 <@tzanger> did she fix a problem in your cock or something
12:44 < ware> to help you upload pics of you and some new fuckbuddy off a card reader
12:44 < ware> eat shit you fuckin whore
12:47 <@Neoteric> ware:
12:47 <@Neoteric> Never attempt to drive through a flooded roadway... this is how most
12:47 <@Neoteric> flood deaths result.
12:47 < aestetix> ware: does she put out?
12:47 <@Dolemite> aestetitx : Unfortunately more for others than for ware
12:47 < ware> aestetix: no, otherwise i would glady trade my services
12:48 < ware> preciously
12:48 < aestetix> http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/04/16/security-is-no-match-for-chocolate-and-good-looking-women/?mod=WSJBlog
12:48 < aestetix> on a lighter note
12:48 < aestetix> People giving their passwords to a hot girl in exchange for a chocolate bar
12:48 <@Dolemite> ~minilink
12:48 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/wsj.com/7IErg
12:50 < ware> UGG need my webhost admin to hurry up and configure ware.is.a.network.dj for me :D
12:50 <@oddball> aestetix: You mean hot girls make men stupid?
12:52 < ware> first thought i had was why not make up information to get the candy
12:53 < ware> 'whats your password?'  "iwanttofuckyou"
12:53 < aestetix> oddball: unless the man is Al Strowger
12:55 <@tzanger> ware: hahahaha
12:58 < aestetix> i-a-m, s-t-u, p-i-d
12:58 < ware> 'areyourboobsreal'
12:59 < ware> 'ifuckforfreecandy'
13:07 <@tzanger> even better
13:07 <@tzanger> eyeam sofa king ornie
13:08 < ware> your sofa king we tall did
13:09 <@tzanger> ware: yeah I use that whenever I make a real boneheaded mistake
13:10 < ware> i like to bone mistakes and use them then whenever i get done making i hit them in the head
13:10 <@tzanger> heh
13:15 <@nachoguy> http://www.cnn.com/tshirt/?headline=Ware%20likest%20goats&date=1208772622000&hash=4f2e03baf9a0cc4ed25c0dee1d0a56d3&return_uri=http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/04/20/vanmarsh.uk.food.whip.cnn
13:16 <@nachoguy> ~minilink
13:16 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/cnn.com/1NeSE
13:19 < critch> nachoguy: Can you actually buy shirts like that?
13:20 <@nachoguy> I don't think you can get it through CNN, no.  I'm sure you could cafepress one up if you really cared.
13:21 < critch> Yeah, but I think cafepress would baulk over the CNN logo.
13:32 <@nachoguy> meh, I think they'll print anything until someone objects
13:34 < ware> http://manishrjain.googlepages.com/flickrfs
13:36 <@brimstone> ware: that's cool
13:36 <@brimstone> too bad yahoo won't finally deny microsoft so i can start using flickr
13:38 <@tzanger> huh?
13:41 < ware> brimstone: youre anti MS?
13:43 <@brimstone> i'm anti giant corporates that haven't seem to produce a reasonable original idea and instead just buy up companys that either have the good ideas or oppose them
13:43  * dc0de_ is anti-cisco
13:43 <@brimstone> i'm also anti companies that are just a good marketing dept and not a good product
13:44 <@nachoguy> can you bring up a ramdisk in linux without rebooting?
13:44 <@brimstone> nachoguy: what do you mean?
13:44 < ware> dc0de_: youre on the internet right now, how can you be anti-cisco
13:44 < critch> ram disk, I think, initrd, no
13:45 <@dc0de_> ware; you think cisco runs the intarwebs?
13:45 < critch> nachoguy: are you needing to rebuild a initrd?
13:45 <@brimstone> you can have mount lop you off some ram if you want
13:45 < ware> dc0de_: yes
13:45 <@dc0de_> ware; stop smoking the pipe, it's gotten you stupider...
13:45 <@nachoguy> critch, no  I just need some scratch space in ram, so when I record calls, I don't thrash the disk so bad
13:45 < ware> dc0de_: learns me
13:45 <@nachoguy> brimstone, cool
13:45 <@brimstone> nachoguy: mount -t ramfs...
13:45 <@dc0de_> cisco had to pull their advertisement, as it was False Advertising...
13:46 <@dc0de_> there was a lawsuite... about two years ago...
13:46 <@brimstone> nachoguy: there was a guy i did support for that had a 4 or 5 GB ram disk to record calls cuz his raid wasn't fast enough to save them to disk
13:46  * ware has no recollection
13:46 <@brimstone> he was also pushing 4 T1s and recording all of it
13:46 < critch> nachoguy: recording calls doesn't thrash the hd, plus the fs buffering will do similar to what you want.
13:46 <@dc0de_> and *poof* the advertisement and marketing data was removed from Cisco's portfolio.
13:46 <@brimstone> 4 or 16 not sure
13:46 <@nachoguy> critch, running 2 different call recording apps does
13:47 <@dc0de_> ware; just like their Advertisements for the "Self-Defending Network".
13:47 < critch> nachoguy: I record a full T1 without trouble
13:47 <@nachoguy> Brimstone yeah, I'm looking to do the same
13:47 <@nachoguy> Critch, yeah, my smaller boxes don't need help.  THis one has 4 T1s and I regularly max it out
13:48 <@nachoguy> and using orecx/oreka call recording is ok.  Doing mixmonitor may be ok.  Both together kill the box.
13:48 < critch> nachoguy: If you are thinking you are going to use ram to store the recordings, when is it going to make it to disk? At some point, you still will need a faster IO subsystem.
13:48 <@nachoguy> I can't get the sign off to turn off oreka until the mixmonitor system has been up a few days
13:49 <@nachoguy> Critch, it's just until the call finishes
13:49 < critch> Are you actually keeping the recordings past end of call?
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13:50 < critch> If you destroy at end of call, then yeah, a ramdisk wouldn't be bad, but if it goes back to disk, at some point your disk has to be faster than incoming recordings.
13:50 <@nachoguy> once the call finishes, it will get moved to local storage.  eventually it gets moved to a NAS
13:51 <@nachoguy> yeah, but copying a file from ram to hd at the end of the recording isn't the same as dealing with 92 concurrent write streams
13:51 < critch> So, your relatively slow data coming in over the T1s is going to go to ram, and then you are going to push the file from ram to the drive.
13:52 < critch> nachoguy: what do you think the purpose of buffers are? there are buffers in the path from your write requests down to the physical harddrive.
13:54 <@nachoguy> then give me a better solution
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13:56 < critch> I'm just pointing out I don't believe you are going to get the benefits you think you will. You are just going to rob the RAM you have for buffers and partition it away for your ramdisk. At some point you are going to do mass data transfers and move your data from one spot in ram to another and then eventually down to disk.
13:57 <@nachoguy> at this point, it's the only option I seem to have
13:57 <@nachoguy> and it's got to perform margianlly better
13:57 < critch> why does it have to perform better?
13:58 <@Neoteric> nasa lecture w/ stephen hawking on the nasa channel in 5 minutes
13:58 < ware> TIMMMAAAHHHH!!!! *drool&
13:58 <@Neoteric> critch: shut up... he'll learn on his own.
13:58 < critch> nachoguy: what exactly is the problem you are experiencing?
14:00 <@nachoguy> critch, becuase the load goes up to 30 and call quality sounds like an am radio in a tunnel
14:01 <@nachoguy> Neoteric, eventually
14:01 < critch> are you manipulating the recordings before final storage?
14:03 <@nachoguy> mixmonitor to record, then when they're done, they're moved to a different directory
14:04 < critch> I'll assume you are running asterisk as a psuedo realtime app, and you have niced your move app to keep that from taxing to much on your IO system.
14:05 < critch> You may really just need to look at a different disk subsystem arangment. Something much faster for the initial write before moving it out to the NAS.
14:06 <@nachoguy> move has been niced.  I don't follow on the "pseudo realtime" bit
14:06 <@nachoguy> you want me to nice -15 it?
14:06 <@nachoguy> well, that's why we were looking at ramdisks
14:06 < critch> umm, I thought negative numbers gave you higher priority
14:06 <@Dagmar> I want him to do it.
14:06 <@Dagmar> It should be very entertaining.
14:07 < critch> nachoguy: how much memory are you preparing to throw at the problem?
14:08 < cwire> Neoteric, know what the talk's on?
14:08 <@nachoguy> critch, yeah, I was asking if by pseudo realtime you were talking about nice -15 the asterisk process
14:08 <@nachoguy> critch, 2 gig
14:09 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, it can't perform any worse
14:09 < critch> nachoguy: no, there is a psuedo realtime switch to start up asterisk, I think it is -g
14:11 < critch> I don't know about the first recording app you mentioned, you might want to verify it drops the psuedo realtime privs when it is launched. That was a problem back when it was introduced and using a scripted AGI app. Perl firing up with psuedo realtime privs at the begining of a call would cause dropped audio.
14:11 <@Neoteric> cwire: yes "why goto space"
14:13 <@nachoguy> asterisk -g is marked as "dump core in case of crash"
14:13 < critch> Neoteric: Why not go to space, it lets you put some distance on those poor people who can't afford things like food and medical coverage.
14:13 < critch> nachoguy: ahh, sorry, been a while since I had to care about that switch.
14:14 <@nachoguy> ahh, -p
14:14 <@nachoguy> interesting, I'll have to check that out
14:15 < critch> nachoguy: what are the specs of the machine you are working with right now?
14:19 < cwire> cool
14:21 <@nachoguy> dualcore 2.6 ghz and currently 2 gig of Ram.  We're going to bump it to 4 and take two of that for a ramdisk
14:22 < critch> what chipset, what drives?
14:24 <@nachoguy> intel Xeon 3070s
14:24 < critch> I was refering to chipset on the mobo
14:24 <@nachoguy> I'm not sure of the specs on the drive, other than size
14:24 <@nachoguy> ah, notsure
14:24 <@nachoguy> dell 860
14:24 <@nachoguy> let me look it up
14:24 < critch> I'm betting that is the problem more than anything else
14:28 < ware> critch: know any decent roads to take from jamestown to oneida?
14:28 < ware> err cookeville to oneida
14:29 < critch> looks obvious to me
14:30 < critch> 111 to Livingston, 52 to Jamestown, 154 to 297
14:30 < critch> rode 290 yesterday and loved it.
14:30 < critch> only downside is that it cuts off most of the good portion of 70N
14:32 < ware> did i tell you i found out the noise my bike was making?
14:32 < critch> I didn't know it was making a noise to begin with
14:32 < ware> theres a couple of things that have shaken loose and making noise when the bike gets vibrating
14:32 < ware> ahh, the main 2 ive found were the key flap on the gas tanks lid
14:32 < ware> and then my kickstand is vibrating hard on the exhaust
14:33 < ware> we're lookin to do a company ride in the next 2 months up to deals gap to stay the night
14:33 < ware> and im hoping i can swing a new bike before then
14:34 <@Shadow404> my boss and a few co workers are going on a ride may 4th
14:34 < ware> why arent you going?
14:34 < ware> you still gonna be on vacation?
14:34 <@Shadow404> i am, if im not exhausted
14:34 <@Shadow404> i come home on the 3rd
14:34 < ware> werd
14:35 < ware> we could do a 2600 ride
14:35 <@Shadow404> that'd be cool
14:35 <@Shadow404> dont know if my bike would make that long of a trip, heh
14:35 < ware> well theres only 3 of us that i know ride
14:35 <@Shadow404> true
14:35 -!- SkyDog_ changed the topic of #se2600 to: Phreaknic Page Updated : October 24-25, 2008 |  Summercon May 30 - June 1 http://www.summercon.org/ | <GodFix> I'll buy lunch for anyone that helps me get it up
14:36 < critch> Me and some friends went up to Centerhill Dam yesterday. Rode 141, 96, 290, 70N. I have some good video from the bike of my friends in front of me. Plus me showing how much more turn I could make at the same speed than they could.
14:38 < ware> hehe
14:38 < ware> im getting much more aggressive in my cornering
14:38 < ware> but i still have nipples on my front chickenstrip :P
14:38 < ware> and for ppl who dont know what im talking about im sure that sounds hilarious hahaha
14:39 < critch> I don't have any on my front, but the rear has the very edge nipples, but it doesn't even have much over 1k miles on it now.
14:40 < critch> nachoguy: The PowerEdge 860 is appropriate for the following applications: Web server, Standalone Local Area Network (LAN) infrastructure (Domain Controller/Directory Services, DNS, DHCP, WINS)
14:40 < critch> nachoguy: looks like a low end IO chipset overall.
14:46 <@nachoguy> well, it's the hardware I've got, so I'll keep tweaking until it works
14:48 <@tzanger> ware: yes, that odes sound hilarious
14:50 < critch> nachoguy: at some point you have to realize that if it is the hardware, you need to look at creating a big enough ram disk to overcome all of your IO, and basically just store your audio there till you punt to NAS. OF course at that point you have large risk in losing power and losing all your recordings that haven't been punted off the machine.
14:52 <@nachoguy> Critch, yeah, that is always an option
14:54 < critch> nachoguy: the big deal to remember is if you can't handle writing to local disk live, you can't do it any better from ramdisk. So you need to either upgrade the local disk subsystem or avoid it all together.
14:57 < cwire> pretty short talk
15:01 <@tzanger> critch: isn't that what a UPS or battery backed ramdrive's for?
15:02 <@tzanger> ware: you're gonna have to explain... wtf is a chickenstrip?
15:02 < critch> tzanger: battery backed ramdisk yes, but right now I am doubting nachoguy is going to go that route.
15:02 <@tzanger> I'm guessing it's the edge of your tire from what you were saying, but tha'ts about all I got
15:02 < critch> tzanger: a chickenstrip is that crap meat you get a KFC
15:02 <@tzanger> haha
15:03 <@tzanger> nipples on your chicken strip?  eww
15:03 < critch> tzanger: or the edge of the tire on a motorcycle you never get over far enough to use
15:03 <@tzanger> although I have my 4 year old daughter calling chicken breasts "chicken boobs"
15:03 <@Dagmar> lol
15:03 <@tzanger> when the school calls and asks about her choice of words I'm going to respond in an extremely incredulous tone and ask, "What should I have taught her to call them, chicken tits?"
15:03 <@tzanger> my wife loves me for that
15:03 < critch> as for nipples, have you seen the little pieces of rubber on a new tire from the injection molding they do? those are the tits.
15:03 <@tzanger> she said YOU are handling that call :-)
15:04 <@tzanger> critch: yeah I gathered that :-)
15:04 < critch> or nipples actualy
15:04 <@Dagmar> "We don't call particle board 'beams' so why are you calling reconstituted chicken 'breasts', exactly?
15:04 <@Dagmar> "
15:05 <@tzanger> oh I only buy real chicken tits
15:05 <@tzanger> none of the reformed meat stuff
15:06 <@Dagmar> I have a hell of a time finding anything but the reconstituted stuff
15:06 <@Dagmar> Seems like if you're too lazy to bread and fry 'em yourself, you're just fucked.
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16:14 <@Dolemite> Time to go pick up 2.0
16:14 <@Dolemite> w00t
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18:31 < eryc> i think wendy has real chicken tits
18:32 < eryc> and most places whose menu requires a page turn
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18:35 < eryc> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/
18:37 < eryc> http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=649
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18:39 <@Dagmar> Oh shit I want one of those
18:40 <@Dagmar> Well, as soon as they make it wireless
18:41 < eryc> http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=666
18:42 < eryc> for the evangelion fans
18:42 <@Dagmar> http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=590
18:42 <@Dagmar> The Sobot is something I've been waiting for
18:43 < eryc> looks fun
18:45 <@Dagmar> The fucker is NIMBLE
18:45 <@Dagmar> http://youtube.com/watch?v=EMBJ4mSlkpg
18:46 <@Dagmar> For more immediate gratification http://youtube.com/watch?v=PuVMsr6vGUk
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18:48 <@tzanger> wow that's not bad
18:48 <@tzanger> a little wobbly but wow
18:48 <@Dagmar> It's ridiculously nimble
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18:48 <@mtown_nerd> Yay!  I'm officially a douchebag now.  I bought a Saitek Eclipse II 3-color LED backlit keyboard....from Best Buy
18:49 <@mtown_nerd> To install on my Vista Ultimate system. lol
18:49  * mtown_nerd sigh
18:49 <@mtown_nerd> This must be what it feels like when people drive through the city in their Cadillacs drinking Starbucks talking on their iPhones.   >_<
18:49 < eryc> http://youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys
18:51 <@mtown_nerd> Oh...isn't this the one designed by some guy in a Japanese university who was designed to be able to hold a conversation with someone for, like, 60 seocnds?
18:51 <@mtown_nerd> I read an article about "her" a couple of years ago
18:51 <@mtown_nerd> It was still prety early then.
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18:52 <@Dagmar> Disney is more advanced than the actroid
18:52 <@mtown_nerd> well, if it is the same one, the emphasis was its ability to respond to a human partner..  not so much on the animatronics of it.
18:53 <@mtown_nerd> But ..this could be different
18:53 <@mtown_nerd> She's looking pretty ShowBiz-esque
18:53 < eryc> does she have secret commands too?
18:53 <@mtown_nerd> Kill words, no doubt.
18:53 <@mtown_nerd> "A star shines brightest in a dark night sky," and she flips out and kills some dude in a diner with a spoon
18:54 <@Dagmar> Anything made after 2001 practically
18:54 <@mtown_nerd> Anyhoo...Tf2 time! :D
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19:17 <@unixfag> mtown_nerd: yeah, well, I'm gonna get a Cadillac now just to spite you
19:21 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_bMhNI_TY8
19:43 <@mtown_nerd> haha
19:44 <@mtown_nerd> you know you want want! >:D
19:44 <@mtown_nerd> Even though I know you're asleep on my bed and not available to retort
19:44 <@mtown_nerd> :x
19:44 <@brimstone> ww by chance?
19:48  * Dagmar waits for sense to return.
19:48 <@brimstone> sense left on holiday, won't be back till june 1
19:58 <@sdodson> Please Spare Me Your Anaconda.  These spammers are really targeting me well.
19:58 <@sdodson> "Oh, you're having problems with the installer?.... oh penis spam"
19:59  * brimstone presses F6
20:01 <@sdodson> brimstone: DO NOT WANT
20:09 < aestetix> I need to go poop.
20:09 <@Corydon76-lap> Thanks for sharing
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20:10 <@sdodson> $5 says he bitches
20:11 <@brimstone> i don't bet against sure things
20:12 <@sdodson> like kthat I'm super fly mcgruff?
20:13 <@brimstone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww boston dynamics scares me
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20:36 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFE2CCfAP1o pure gold!
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20:44 < R3d2Dawn> hey anyone know the irc channel for the seattle, wa 2600?
20:45 <@brimstone> sea2600?
20:45 <@brimstone> tried askin gin #2600?
20:45 <@brimstone> *asking in
20:45 < R3d2Dawn> ok
20:51 <@dc0de> what's the area code for seattle?
20:52 <@Dementia> 206 I think
20:52 <@dc0de> R3d2Dawn; they're on EFNet: #206
20:52 <@dc0de> according to their webpage.
20:52 <@dc0de> http://www.wa2600.org/
20:53 <@dc0de> next time, jfgi.com
20:53 <@dc0de> ~weather 30019
20:53 <+MxZBot> It's Scattered Clouds in Crystal Ridge Estates, Dacula, Georgia. It's 62.6 F (46 M, 17 C, 290 K).
20:53 <@brimstone> fewish federation of greater indianapolis?
20:53 <@brimstone> *jewish
20:53 <@dc0de> brimstone; jfgi
20:53 <@brimstone> dc0de: jfgi.com
20:53 <@dc0de> I know... they stole the damn site.
20:54 <@brimstone> did they jew it from them?
20:54 <@rattle> dc0de:  Reading your posts about the vegas conferences..
20:54 <@dc0de> rattle; thoughts?
20:54 <@rattle> You gotta keep doing these.
20:54 <@dc0de> today was the suck
20:54 <@rattle> I think you are saving me money and frustration attending this shit. :)
20:54 <@dc0de> 3hours with a cisco weasel, telling me marketing...
20:54 <@dc0de> I asked 5 technical questions, and got, "I don't know".
20:55 <@brimstone> is a cisco weasel like a spice weasel?
20:55 <@rattle> Personally, I've really been digging on the Juniper/Netscreen SSG line.
20:55 <@dc0de> brimstone; yeah, 'cept you can't get a cisco weasel by it's tail.
20:55 <@rattle> I don't like everything about the SSG/NSM combo..  But I hate it less than other things I've worked with.
20:55 <@brimstone> i don't think you're trying hard enough...
20:55 <@dc0de> rattle; I don't give two shits about any vendor anymore...
20:56 <@dc0de> it's all bullshit.
20:56 <@dc0de> They are trying to sell you away from “Best-of-breed” solutions, in favor “Just-OK” but “Centrally Managed” solutions; and they are fooling themselves and YOU into their story.
20:56 <@sdodson> dc0de: what were the questions?
20:57 <@rattle> I can't really argue with that.  I just try to make the choices at any given time that cause me the least pain and time at the office when I would rather be drinking to excess and making an ass out of myself.
20:57 <@dc0de> sdodson; I asked what version of Java was required to run Cisco CSM
20:57 <@sdodson> dunno, it works with 1.5
20:58 <@dc0de> sdodson; I knew the answers, I was asking for one of my colleagues, who is a wallflower.
20:58 <@dc0de> and the "technical guy" from Cisco said, "I don't know, I don't work with that product."
20:58 <@dc0de> and that was his answer for the other four questions, about four other products.
20:58 <@dc0de> and he's the "Cisco Security Overlay".
20:58 <@dc0de> useless as tits on a bull
20:59 <@dc0de> My colleague said it best, “When they get in “God” mode, it’s hard to stop them…”
20:59 <@dc0de> I hope these companies understand, that while point security solutions have become commoditized, that doesn’t mean that “Any old product will do” is the right solution for the customer.
20:59 <@brimstone> your backtics hurt my screen :(
20:59 <@dc0de> sdodson; http://dc0de.com/?p=13
21:00 < R3d2Dawn> thanx dc0de
21:00 <@dc0de> R3d2Dawn; np
21:00 <@rattle> All things Java are a floating clusterfuck.
21:00 <@sdodson> Ya, but too bad all things are java.
21:00 <@rattle> The clusterfuck changes sizes and shapes...  but it's always a clusterfuck.
21:00 <@dc0de> floating? hrm... I can think of better phrases...
21:00 < eryc> Java is pretty cool stuff
21:00 < eryc> i'm happy
21:00 <@dc0de> java is pretty cool if you can't code... sure.
21:01 <@dc0de> java applications are bullshit.
21:01 <@rattle> Yes, you can make Java go fast.  You just wind up with insane shutdown/startup times for your application.
21:01 <@rattle> Cross platform?  Sure..  Everything but the end-user packaging.  You still have a different download for every fucking platform.
21:01 <@dc0de> CSM and MARS can't be viewed at the same time on the same box, because they have different java requirements.
21:01 <@rattle> dc0de:  I didn't know that.  That's funny as shit.
21:01 <@dc0de> java == DLL for EVERY platform
21:01 <@dc0de> java == DLL HELL for EVERY platform
21:02 <@rattle> Juniper NSM is java too.
21:02 < eryc> *shrug*
21:02 <@brimstone> dc0de: http://www.bash.org/?338364
21:02 < eryc> just because you guys have a nose for shit java doesnt mean the world is ending
21:02 <@dc0de> rattle; I asked the Cisco weeny about the java issues, he said, Oh? Did the customer open a ticket?
21:02 <@rattle> The world isn't ending.  The world just sucks.  I got comfortable with that years ago.  Maybe someday I'll stop bitching about it.
21:03 <@sdodson> i've really never had problems with any of that stuff.
21:03 <@rattle> dc0de:  Can't they package the software with the java interpreter in a way where the interp isn't machine wide?
21:03 <@dc0de> No, the world isn't ending, but people who think that Java Applications are the "greatest", surely haven't really USED them.
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21:03 <@rattle> Most of the more clued java app vendors take that route.
21:03 <@rattle> It's so damn silly to me.
21:04 <@rattle> It's like shipping an app with your own version of libc.
21:04 <@dc0de> http://www.bash.org/?search=java&sort=0&show=25
21:04 <@rattle> I can easily make overarching analogies about this..
21:05 <@rattle> "First, you replace your windows/system32 directory with this tarball.  Then the application with run properly."
21:05 <@dc0de> rattle; http://www.bash.org/?624194
21:05 <@dc0de> Fine, Java MIGHT be a good example of what a programming language should be like. But Java applications are good examples of what applications SHOULDN'T be like.
21:05 <@sdodson> witty comments on bash.org won't sway my opinion.
21:06 <@rattle> dc0de:  I do truly hate vendors that use a non-mainline java, and and don't make it application specific, and it has to be system-wide..
21:06 <@dc0de> I love the java requirements... this one needs JRE 1.5.0, the other uses 1.6.2, the third uses 1.4.2
21:06 <@dc0de> just fucking genius.
21:07 <@dc0de> add that to the fact that most of the SSL VPN vendors can't figure out how to build an SSL VPN with a linux OS.
21:07 < R3d2Dawn> ok, someone help me out here...I am using pidgin to access iRC, but I have my account setup to access irc.efnet.net, but when I login it gives me errors like this
21:08 <@dc0de> Juniper, F5, and CheckPoint SSL VPNs, ONLY work on Mac and Windows...
21:08 < R3d2Dawn> (2008-04-21 21:06:16) efnet.demon.co.uk:
21:08 < R3d2Dawn> (notice) *** Banned please use an closer server
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21:08 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Are you going to do the geocaching event this year at PN?
21:08 <@dc0de> SkyDog_; I fear I won't have the time...
21:08 <@SkyDog_> Ah. ok. Just trying to see what is coming up. Thanks though.
21:09 <@dc0de> SkyDog_; I'd love to help, but you know how the job world goes...
21:09  * dc0de rubs the chafed ankles and wrists... the shackles are off for the night.
21:11 <@SkyDog_> heh!
21:12 <@dc0de> now this is funny..... http://www.bash.org/?573260
21:12 <@dc0de> and SFW
21:14 <@sdodson> im tired
21:14  * R3d2Dawn scratching head hmm........
21:14 < R3d2Dawn> what is the server address for efnet?
21:14 <@sdodson> all of the java versions seem to work well enough if you wait a year or two after their release
21:14 <@brimstone> R3d2Dawn: chat.efnet.net?
21:15 <@sdodson> i always used irc.easynews.com
21:15 <@juice> irc.servercentral.net
21:15 <@juice> :)
21:15 <@dc0de> ~google for efnet.org
21:15 <+MxZBot> Google says efnet.org is at http://gonze.com/archives/2005/05/04 or http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3547072/Battlestar.Galactica.S03E05.WS.DSR.XviD-CRiMSON or http://www.quotesdb.info/efnet/mirc/10Mar2006/4.html
21:15 <@dc0de> http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers
21:16 <@sdodson> http://stats.efnet.org/regions/view/?rid=1
21:16 <@juice> servercentral is very stable
21:16 <@juice> and from the stats seems to be the largest us server
21:17 < R3d2Dawn> so any of those will do? and I can access the same channel from either one of those?
21:17 <@brimstone> yes
21:17 < R3d2Dawn> ok, just dbl checking thanks
21:18  * R3d2Dawn bangs head on desk...thinking aloud...fucking n00b..:)
21:18 <@juice> hehe
21:18 <@juice> the only time is if the network allows server specific channels then those are only accessible from that server
21:19 <@juice> and have like $channelname or such rather than the #
21:19 <@juice> err + I mean
21:19 <@brimstone> &channel usually for local channels
21:20 <@juice> yeah
21:20 <@juice> that too
21:20 <@juice> sucks how much irc crap I forgot since I opered/admined all the time
21:23 <@sdodson> http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_bc5b6e21-8544-422c-a96a-ce45cc4363e8 whacky
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21:47 < R3d2Dawn> the irc for 2600 in seattle is 206 of efnet? correct?
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22:13 < R3d2Dawn> ok anyone familiar with anyone from the seattle area?
22:13 < R3d2Dawn> and who go to the 2600 group meets
22:14 <@sdodson> you realize this is south east and you're looking for people in the north west?
22:15 <@brimstone> sdodson: don't crush his dreams
22:15 <@sdodson> Do you normally start looking for things as far away from the destination as possible?
22:17 <@polerin> I DO!
22:17 <@polerin> :D
22:19 < R3d2Dawn> yes, I do realize this
22:20 < R3d2Dawn> I have a friend that lives up their, and am trying to establish a link with those from the seattle area, but I have a bunch of smart asses in the irc channel which I am having trouble getting straight answers from
22:20 <@sdodson> polerin: you're confused
22:20 <@polerin> well duh.
22:20 <@sdodson> R3d2Dawn: you mean us?
22:21 < R3d2Dawn> no, #206 efnet
22:21 <@polerin> wait
22:21 <@polerin> smartasses in a 2600 channel?
22:21 <@sdodson> hammer time?
22:21 <@polerin> No, no hammer time for you
22:22 < R3d2Dawn> so I have no idea of their even part of the 2600 group
22:26 < R3d2Dawn> their reply at first was we are a bunch of peugeot 206 enthusiasts
22:29 < R3d2Dawn> so truely I don't even know if they are associated with 2600
22:29 < R3d2Dawn> I was trying to find out if the meet time and place was still correct
22:35  * someninjamaster yawns
22:35 < R3d2Dawn> and apparently if they are they don't meet until the summer time, cause "peugeots get a little cranky, in the winter time"
22:37 <@polerin> hehehe
22:38 < R3d2Dawn> so I shall ask what the hell is peugeots?
22:46 <@someninjamaster> haha
22:48 <@JimShoe> evening
22:48 <@someninjamaster> sup jimshoe
22:49 <@JimShoe> thinking about killing my cat
22:50 <@someninjamaster> i suggest a shotgun for maximum destruction
22:53 <@JimShoe> lol, i guess that would work
22:57 < R3d2Dawn> nah, firecracker up the but
22:58 < R3d2Dawn> then light it and watch it go
22:58  * polerin watches someone slaughter the observer patern
22:58 <@polerin> I meen I'm no expert in paterns
22:58 <@polerin> but wow they are mangling it badly
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23:17 < eryc> R3d2Dawn: peugeot is a french car
23:17 < eryc> and renault
23:18 < eryc> you see them everywhere in paris
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23:19 < Synx_hm> Anyone played with bonding wifi connections in linux from different AP's?
23:19 < Synx_hm> on a different external ip to boot
23:20 <@brimstone> like, your ap and your neighbor's?
23:20 < Synx_hm> ya
23:20 < Synx_hm> i know its possible
23:20 <@brimstone> you want to do a outbound loadbalencer, not bonding the interfaces
23:21 < Synx_hm> i am curious how exactly it gets split up though
23:21 < Synx_hm> ahh
23:21 <@brimstone> normal bondage is just every other packet, round robin style
23:21 <@brimstone> you want do to that based on sites you visit, not packets
23:21 < Synx_hm> wich would get fucked if its not the same external ip right
23:21 <@brimstone> yup
23:21 < Synx_hm> wonder how this works with P2P like torrent as well
23:22 <@brimstone> if you want to use it with bittorrent, i'd set it up so that outbound connections used your neighbor's wifi, but you sent your wifi ip and port to the trackers to hand to other clients
23:22 <@brimstone> but that's just my $0.02
23:23 < Synx_hm> so its prob not possible to share the load as far as the download portion
23:23 <@brimstone> you can though
23:23 < Synx_hm> because the tracker still has only one ip to give out to other clients
23:24 <@brimstone> right, but you can control how you connect to people
23:24 <@brimstone> and transfers go both ways, on inbound or outbound
23:24 < eryc> are we talking about sex?
23:24 <@brimstone> sure eryc
23:24 < Synx_hm> hehe
23:25 < eryc> i want to learn this round robin style
23:25 < Synx_hm> i guess the first step is getting this to work and then playing witht he p2p stuff
23:26 < eryc> does node 1 get preference or is this true round robin?
23:27 < eryc> or perhaps i misheard and this is round rubbin style
23:27 <@brimstone> Synx_hm: just get an interface on each network, then use the one you don't control to make outbound connections and the one you do control for inbound connections
23:28 < Synx_hm> brimstone: i happend upon a Slurpr link today and it peaked my interested as i had been thinking about how to go about something similar for a while
23:29 < eryc> http://www.docum.org/docum.org/faq/cache/57.html
23:29 < eryc> guess thats kinda useless
23:33 < Synx_hm> what do ya mean eryc ?
23:36 < eryc> it has some stuff you might want
23:36 < eryc> i was looking at the 2.2 instructions but 2.4 may work okay for you
23:39 < Synx_hm> ya some interesting stuff thanks
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