--- Log opened Tue Apr 08 00:00:19 2008
00:10 <@aestetix> What?
00:11 <@aestetix> What's the question?
00:26 < R3d2Dawn> NVM, I finally answered my own question, Thanks for asking though
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00:46 < R3d2Daw1> Any admins, can some one boot my alt, not sure why it appeared suddenly
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06:20 <@dc0de> heh.... http://www.youtube.com/user/InvisibleSoul8
06:20 <@dc0de> ^^^ funny... scary, crazy.
06:31 <@Dagmar> Another "Hillbilly Wrecks His Truck" video.
06:31 <@Dagmar> *yawn*]
06:32 <@Shadow404> meow
06:37 <@Shadow404> man, whats up with all these radi stations being bought by bigger stations all of the sudden
06:38 <@Shadow404> i mean, ive seen it happen in the past and its just the way of life, but the rate of the buyouts are astonishing right now
06:39 <@Dagmar> "All of a sudden"?
06:39 <@Dagmar> Ninja, please
06:39 <@Shadow404> no seriously, 3 stations have been bought by bigger ones last month alone
06:39 <@Shadow404> q100 bought the rights to use 99.7's transmitter, 99x is now on hdfm
06:40 <@Shadow404> then a couple of smaller stations got bought and closed by neighboring, more succesful ones
06:52 <@Dagmar> This has been going on for awhile
06:53 <@Dagmar> I think at this point ClearChannel owns almost all the stations in Nashville.
07:00 <@oddball> Hmm.... my mom is talking about buying a computer for my nephews... I think I'm going to recommend her buying them each an eeePC.
07:05 <@Shadow404> if you do that, she'll get you to perfom the troubleshooting when htey break
07:05 <@oddball> oh, that'll happen anyways.
07:05 <@Shadow404> hey, but at least epc are better than dells
07:06 <@Shadow404> oddball: thats why i have vnc installed on all my parents puters for just that occasion
07:06 <@oddball> heh
07:06 <@Shadow404> and its easier to keep calm if your on the phone
07:07 <@Shadow404> and you can roll your eyes without them seeing
07:08 <@oddball> Oh, my mom can hear my eyes roll.
07:08 <@Shadow404> "press the start button", i dont see a start button, is it this green thing on the case? oops, that was the power button
07:09 <@Shadow404> my dad can fly fighter jets and operate advanced avionics, but i have to hold his hand when it comes to a computer
07:09 <@oddball> heh
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07:33 <@dasunt> The Dells aren't badly priced for a decent system.
07:34 <@Dagmar> The key word there being "decent".
07:34 <@Shadow404> initial cost isnt bad....
07:34 <@Shadow404> its the operating cost which kills you
07:34 <@Shadow404> which put alot of schools and business in dept for their it budget
07:34 <@Shadow404> their spare parts cost a lot, and their tech support sucks
07:35 <@oddball> the support isn't bad as long as you have a buisness account.
07:35 <@Shadow404> we did, it still sucked
07:35 <@Shadow404> all outsourced and scripted
07:35 <@oddball> if you just have an individual account, you're screwed
07:36 <@Shadow404> oh, i dont even want to imangine
07:36 <@dasunt> The ones we are selling are pretty stock.
07:36 <@Shadow404> the parts did arrive next day
07:36 <@dasunt> I think they are the Vostro 1000s.
07:36 <@Shadow404> and the techs that replaced laptop parts arrived on time, ill give them that
07:36 <@Shadow404> but still hella expensive
07:36 <@dasunt> Run of the mill power supplies, whatever-ATX motherboards, standard optical drives, etc.
07:36 <@Shadow404> and the computers/parts break to quickly
07:37 <@Shadow404> go with ibm, or hp and the computers last for a while
07:37 <@Shadow404> before needing servicing
07:37 <@Dagmar> "Cheap parts"
07:37 <@dasunt> The only major problems I've seen on the older dells is that some of the old Optiplex line were really prone to bad caps.
07:37 <@Shadow404> dell = ford, hp, ibm = bmw
07:37 <@Dagmar> Might as well just buy from PCChips directly as go with Dell.
07:37 <@dasunt> IBM pissed me off with the whole Hitachi drive thing.
07:38 <@dasunt> But they don't make bad desktops.
07:38 <@Shadow404> yeah, well, ibm is usally good
07:38 <@dasunt> Their laptop line is spun off now.  :(
07:38 <@Shadow404> yeah, the desktops are built tough and last forever
07:38 <@dasunt> HPs don't bother me either.
07:38 <@Shadow404> i love HP's
07:38 <@dasunt> The worst offenders I've seen, hands down, has to be eMachines.'
07:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:38 <@Shadow404> the kickass, and their business line is great
07:39 <@dasunt> eMachines have the worst power supply/motherboard issues.
07:39 <@Shadow404> emachine is well, just about as crap as you can go
07:39 <@dasunt> Very easy to diagnose though, since 90% of the time, when the power suppy goes, it takes out the motherboard.
07:39 <@Shadow404> that what wal mart sells the most of
07:39 <@dasunt> I've seen a few of the same type of power supply (Bestec) in some Compaqs, but not the same tendency to blow motherboards.
07:40 <@dasunt> OTOH, compaqs do like using the small ATX power supply, which is a PITA.
07:40 <@dasunt> Speaking of which, avoid Sony like the plague.  Their desktop power supplies are some abomination of a standard.
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07:43 <@oddball> dasunt: I think you could have stopped at "avoid Sony like the plague"
07:46 <@Shadow404> yeah, they are quite proprietary
07:46 <@Shadow404> the viao, well, lets just stop there
07:56 <@Shadow404> so who else other than ladymerlin has got of their asses and posted their oz pics?
07:57 <@Dolemite> I have yet to post any pics from OZ4
07:57 <@Dolemite> Then again, I wasn't there to take any.
07:57 <@Shadow404> i was talking to the people that were there
07:57 <@Shadow404> and didnt get sick
07:57 <@Dolemite> So actually, on the other hand, I posted all of my pics long ago.
07:57 <@Shadow404> heh.....
07:57  * Shadow404 rolls eyes at the old man
07:58 <@Dolemite> But hey, at least I posted my cool Zion National Park pics already.
07:58 <@Dolemite> and we'll take plenty of pics of ware riding a barrel over the falls this weekend
08:00 <@Shadow404> awesome, please do, as i think im gonna have to skip that trip....saving up for st. lucia at the end of the month
08:10 <@Dolemite> That's ok, we didn't expect anybody from Atlanta to be able to organize anything, anyway.
08:13 <@Shadow404> lawl, funny funny
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08:25 < ware> h0 sn4p!
08:25 < Curbob> shhh everyone's sleeping
08:26 < Curbob> i couldn't connect to irc this morning, was afraid company blocked the ports
08:27 < Curbob> but it finally connected
08:27 <@dc0de> well, we lost a cat last night...
08:27 < ware> tunnel out
08:27 < ware> dc0de: :(
08:28 <@dc0de> passed away in it's sleep.
08:28 <@dc0de> w00t!!! 1 down, 4 to go!
08:28 < Curbob> :( sorry to hear it, i'd hate to lose one of ours
08:28 < Curbob> sooo bad!
08:28 <@dc0de> the kids are distraught, but I'm trying to retain my glee
08:28 <@dc0de> retain/restrain
08:28 < ware> haha
08:28 <@Shadow404> dc0de: you bastard
08:29 <@dc0de> hey, I know BOTH my mother and father...
08:29 <@Shadow404> is that the cool cat or the mean one?
08:29 <@dc0de> I'm a callous asshole, not a bastard
08:29 <@Dagmar> Well, one of those is likely to be the right person
08:29 <@dc0de> it was one of the two that my wife just "picked up" without asking.
08:29 <@dc0de> Dagmar; :)
08:29 <@Shadow404> heh
08:30 <@Dagmar> s/bastard/monster/;
08:30 <@Shadow404> heh, our cats kick ass, they love guests and havnet had any real issues so far other than presenting us with their kills all over the carpet
08:30 <@dc0de> Dagmar; I agree with Monster.
08:30 <@Shadow404> bird blood is a bitch to get out of the carpet
08:31 <@dc0de> Shadow404; if my cat's did that, it would be the Cat's blood that would be a bitch to get out of the carpet.
08:31 <@Shadow404> heh
08:32 <@Dagmar> Just call up the police and ask them who they contract to do cleanups of ccrime scenes
08:32 <@dc0de> Dagmar; just kill the cat outside.
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08:33 <@someninjaserver> its proably just an enzyme cleaner
08:33 <@someninjaserver> look for some stuff called bioclean
08:33 <@dc0de> oh, wait, I saw this on an infomercial! OxyClean!
08:33 <@Dagmar> someninjaserver: no, there's usually a cleaning _company_ that specializes in getting blood and fluids out of things.
08:34 <@someninjaserver> yeah
08:34 <@Dagmar> One can't exactly put that on the weekly circulars tho
08:34 <@someninjaserver> but all they are using is enzyme cleaners
08:34 <@Dagmar> You're paying for _experienced_ cleaners, man.
08:35 <@dc0de> Dagmar; "Thank you for calling Macabre Cleaning, we get the blood out!, how may we help you?"
08:35 <@Dagmar> Some illegal with a sponge and a tub of oxyclean isn't going to do much aside from leave bleach spots on the carpet
08:36 <@dc0de> Dagmar; I know... I know... I'm just playing.
08:36 <@someninjaserver> yeah but have you checked out crime scene cleanup costs
08:36 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind these people will have had occasion to remove say, brains from a large area of stucco wall, pools of blood deep enough to splash in from carpets, etc etc
08:36 <@Dagmar> So, a few gore spots from a dead sparrow will be easy-peasy for them.
08:36 <@Dagmar> someninjaserver: Most of that is just hush money
08:36 <@dc0de> excrement, urine, intestines and bile... O' My!
08:37  * Shadow404 is worried about dc0de's obsession
08:37 <@someninjaserver> i agree
08:40 <@dc0de> me three
08:43 < ware> me4
08:43 < ware> anyone have GTD content in electronic media
08:44 <@brimstone> GTD?
08:44 < ware> i think i would like to peruse its innards
08:44 < ware> getting things done
08:44 < ware> particularly the outlook stuff
08:45 < ware> http://wiki.43folders.com/index.php/Outlook
08:45 <@Shadow404> heh
08:45 <@Shadow404> rick roll has their own minicity
08:46 <@Shadow404> rickrollville.myminicity.com
08:47 < ware> oh whats that 3d network analyzer that was closed awhile back
08:47 < ware> it would shoot rockets / space ships / aliens / stars / comets based on the type of traffic
08:49 < ware> http://packetgarden.com/
08:49 < ware> something like that
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09:04 <@someninjaserver> ware i would like to see that
09:12 < ware> yeah i couldnt find it =/
09:13 <@Shadow404> u fail sir
09:13 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:13 <@Shadow404> how many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
09:13 < ware> Shadow404: too many
09:14 < dmcmorris_esi> Shadow404: they should be in the bloody kitchen cookin' my lunch!
09:14 <@dc0de> none, they'll beat up a pussy man and make him do it.
09:14 <@Shadow404> actually none, they can't change anything
09:14 < ware> hahaha
09:14 <@dc0de> who works with python?
09:14 <@nachoguy> hey, in all seriousness, has anyone ever heard of wang univeristy?  I know that it sounds like a porno; I don't care.  Does anyone know where it is, or the url of it's website?
09:14 <@dc0de> I'm trying to install python-psyco and having issues...
09:15 < dmcmorris_esi> nachoguy: are they a standalone U, or like a branch of another?
09:15 <@nachoguy> I have no idea
09:16 <@nachoguy> I've got a guy I'm going to interview, and it's one of the schools he's listed
09:16 < dmcmorris_esi> does it have a location?
09:17 <@nachoguy> nope
09:18 <@Dagmar> dc0de: You have to be more specific than just "issues".
09:18 <@Dagmar> Pastebin the output, yo
09:18 <@nachoguy> based on his other ones though, it's either a Chicago area school or an internet based thing
09:18 <@nachoguy> like U of Phoenix
09:18 <@dc0de> Dagmar; I'm trying to install a .deb, that requires python-psyco, and I'm not sure how to install it..
09:18 <@Dagmar> Mainly you get psyco and just install it
09:19 <@dc0de> I don't know how to install an add-on in python, and the webpage for it doesn't make sense to me.
09:19 <@Dagmar> http://psyco.sourceforge.net/
09:19 <@nachoguy> googleing just turns up asian people who have graduated
09:19 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: it's in China
09:19 <@Dagmar> dc0de: python setup.py install --prefix=$PKG_PREFIX --root=$PKG_STAGEROOT
09:20 <@Dagmar> That's basically all that's needed to put it in a staging root.
09:20 <@Dagmar> You can mainly just leave off the last argument
09:20 <@dc0de> Dagmar; thanks... that's what I was looking for...
09:20 < dmcmorris_esi> I asked a guy here about Wang U (he's a data analyst for library data... seems to know everything), never heard of it
09:20 <@Dagmar> Python plugins are dead easy to packagize and/or install now, thankfully
09:21 <@nachoguy> dmcmorris_esi  yeah, I find it hard to believe that a uni wouldn't be in the first 3 pages of a google search for it's name
09:21 <@nachoguy> so either Dagmar is right, though this guy doesn't seem to be an international sort of guy, or he made it up
09:21 <@nachoguy> I'll be asking him about it
09:22 <@Dagmar> It would pretty much HAVE to be in China
09:22 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, Google would definitely be turning it up.
09:22 < skmurphy> nachoguy: maybe it refers to the old WANG accounting machines?
09:22 < dmcmorris_esi> there's a lot of Wang on google... but not Wang U
09:22 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
09:22 <@nachoguy> dmcmorris_esi indeed
09:22 <@Dagmar> Unless you're doing the query in Mandarin, it's not likely to match
09:23 <@Dagmar> ...although it's altogether possible the dude is just making it up.
09:23 < dmcmorris_esi> the only thing.. " 13, Mark fled the Orphanage and made his way through the shark infested      mountains, to end up in Hong Kong, where he studied music and singing at the      University of Wang King."
09:24 < dmcmorris_esi> although, that /has/ to be a joke
09:24 < skmurphy> one hopes
09:25 <@nachoguy> skmurphy, that's a possiblity, the guy's been around a while, but he claims to have a b.s. from the place
09:26 < dmcmorris_esi> well, he's certainly got BS....
09:26 < skmurphy> if he is making it up, you should hire him for chutzpa
09:26 <@Dagmar> He _better_ be asian
09:26 <@rhia> http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.asp  doesn't list one as accredited
09:27 <@Dagmar> Why would it be?
09:27 <@Dagmar> It's not a US school
09:27 <@Dagmar> He might have majored in poultices and acupuncture for all we know
09:27 <@Dagmar> Minoring in Feng Shui of course.
09:27 <@nachoguy> The name is no where near asian, and the city he's living in, it's not known for it's asian population
09:28 <@rhia> thought the guy seemed like he was from the Chicago area
09:28 <@nachoguy> the other interesting point, he has an aol email address
09:28 < dmcmorris_esi> that's reason enough to dismiss him
09:28 <@Dagmar> Agreed.
09:29 <@nachoguy> indeed, however, he's one of the best candidates to come across my desk
09:29 <@Dagmar> Candidates for what?
09:29 <@nachoguy> which is sort of sad
09:29 <@nachoguy> I need a network engineer/admin BADLY
09:29 <@nachoguy> we dismissed ours almost a month ago
09:29 <@Dagmar> So you're desperate enough to take one with a questionable and possibly ficticious credentials who uses an AOL email account?
09:29 <@nachoguy> and the resumes I've been getting from HR were piss poor
09:29 <@Dagmar> Oh here's an idea
09:30 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, I'm desperate enough to screen him on the phone
09:30 <@Dagmar> Toss that one back at HR and ask them to verify it
09:30 < dmcmorris_esi> tell HR to send them all to you, and you'll do the filtering
09:30 < dmcmorris_esi> then send the "good" ones back for verification
09:30  * dmcmorris_esi bets they filtered some "good ones" out because of some minor technicalities
09:31 <@nachoguy> no, he seems to have the chops.  I usually can get a pretty good read on people from their resumes, and this guys is not out and out lying like some of the people I've had resumes for
09:31 <@Dagmar> Umm.. that sounds like wishful thinking in light of the Wang University refence.
09:31 < dmcmorris_esi> well, you'd better find out where his wang is....
09:31 <@nachoguy> dmcmorris_esi, no chance, not here.  I got one for a guy who put down that he has a 1 year cert for food prep, right next to his ccna and his mcse
09:31 < dmcmorris_esi> haha!
09:32 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: That means he can bring nice snacks for office parties
09:32 <@nachoguy> HR passes resumes on and schedules the interviews that I ask for
09:32 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, that means I didn't even call his ass
09:32 <@Dagmar> Because his application mentioned a cooking cert?
09:33 < ware> and when she comes concious again i go as deep as i can and blow my bloody shitty dick load down her throat
09:33 < dmcmorris_esi> ware: wrong channel?
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09:33 <@nachoguy> I drag one of the other senior admins in for phone interviews, and his rule is "when I ask someone how to configure network equipment, they say 'I log into the cisco and do it', they're out"
09:33 < ware> well thats not lifehacker
09:33 < ware> rofl
09:34 < dmcmorris_esi> *cough* bash?
09:34 < ware> i had the top quote on there
09:34 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, because he most experience he had was as a first level helpdesk somewhere
09:34 < dmcmorris_esi> ware: I wonder why that is...
09:34 < ware> or no it was qbd.us
09:34 < ware> http://qdb.us/top
09:35 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: Hmm..> Somehow I doubt the CCNA and MCSE would check out then.
09:36 < dmcmorris_esi> ware ware ware.....
09:36 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, you take those cram classes and they guarentee that you get the cert
09:36 <@rhia> Dagmar: could, if he went to bootcamps after finding out chef's work really hard in hot kitchens
09:37 <@nachoguy> I've talked to ccna guys that couldn't tell you how to enable a god damned interface
09:39 <@rhia> nachoguy: i've fired MSCE's who couldn't find a plain old word document
09:40 < Curbob> but they can remember the 7 layers of shit!
09:40 <@nachoguy> rhia indeed
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09:50 <@oddball> Damn I wish they would replace the microwave here.  I have to nuke a cup of water for 4 minutes before it's hot enough to brew tea.
09:51 < dmcmorris_esi> HAHAHAHA!
09:51 < dmcmorris_esi> it'd probably heat faster if you just stared at it
09:51 <@rhia> oddball: just build a campfire in the middle of the breakroom
09:51 < Curbob> use the hot water feature on the water cooler
09:51 <@oddball> heh
09:51 <@oddball> yeah.... that doesn't really work on ours.
09:51 < dmcmorris_esi> we have an electric kettle here...
09:52 <@oddball> As per usual, I'm the only non-coffee drinker.
09:52 <@SkyDog_> oddball, the radiation is leaking out the side of the microwave and killing your boss. Don't replace it yet.
09:52 <@SkyDog_> Drink ALOT of tea.
09:52 <@Shadow404> heh, teaching my dad how to use a chat interface while hes in iraq
09:52 <@oddball> but... I like my boss...
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09:53 <@Shadow404> now thats what i call long range tech suppot
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09:53 < dmcmorris_esi> are they allowed to use IM?
09:53 < dmcmorris_esi> slash chat
09:53 < dmcmorris_esi> thought there was protocol against it
09:53 <@oddball> Now, the owner of the company that just asked me for help with installing a free screensaver...
09:54 < dmcmorris_esi> spyware-laden, I'm sure
09:54 <@SkyDog_> RUN!
09:54 <@Shadow404> hes a contractor so hes not military
09:54 <@Shadow404> the contractor has his own network
09:54 <@Shadow404> so its allowed
09:54 <@Shadow404> and im vnc'ed to his machine
09:54 < dmcmorris_esi> ahh ok
09:54 < dmcmorris_esi> yeah, contractors ;)
09:54 < ware> meebo.com
09:54 <@oddball> dmcmorris_esi: yeah, I've already told my boss that if I had my way, everyone in the company would hate me.  Since she came here from the banking industry, she knew exactly what I was talking about.
09:55 <@Dagmar> oddball: Ask him if he'd help you pick a mouthpiece for the end of your rifle
09:55 <@oddball> heh
09:56 <@Shadow404> heh, gonna initiate a screen session, god this is gonna be slow
09:56 <@Shadow404> but its connecting
09:56 <@oddball> Oh, and the custom program we use requires all the users to have admin rights over their boxes
09:57 <@Shadow404> its actually not that slow
09:57 <@Shadow404> i stoppped his video though
09:57 < dmcmorris_esi> oh...my...god... (@admin)
09:58 <@Shadow404> cause the vnc program loads its on sub video driver
09:58 < ware> oddball: ftl
09:59 < ware> surely theres a way around that. give them full access to the program folder or select parts of the registry or something
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10:19 <@brimstone> poor scott
10:21 <@Shadow404> whats wrong with scott?
10:24 <@dc0de> ??
10:24 <@Dolemite> brimstone : pn-info list
10:24 <@Dolemite> brimstone didn't understand why I said that PN was "Month 11"...  it's because it's at the end of October or beginning of November
10:25 <@brimstone> apparently not
10:25 <@Dolemite> and since we're still at the beginning of April, saying that we're 6 months away from PN is silly
10:25 <@brimstone> i just saw Oct = 10
10:25 <@brimstone> we're less then 7 though
10:25 <@Dolemite> It's closer to 7 than 6
10:25 <@brimstone> which is 6 in my book of integers
10:25 <@Dolemite> PN has been in November, before
10:25 <@Dolemite> It all depends on the scheduling
10:25 <+MaxieZ> Do we have a date for PNx0C?
10:26 <@Dolemite> God dammit, people, read the fucking list
10:26 <+MaxieZ> I guess that's a no
10:26 <@brimstone> yeah, that's a no
10:26 <@Dolemite> NEVER UNTIL THE NFL SCHEDULE
10:26 <@brimstone> does it say it on the website?
10:26 <+MaxieZ> Well damn.
10:26 <+MaxieZ> What's taking the NFL so long?
10:26 <@Dolemite> Website hasn't been changed since last year
10:26 <@Dolemite> They always release the schedule around this time
10:26 <@Dolemite> it should be any day/week, now
10:27 <@SkyDog_> Fuck. I will change the website this afternoon.
10:27 <@Corydon76-dig> I believe we're still about 2 weeks too early for the release
10:27 <@Dolemite> brimstone : With that level of precision, you must work in Marketing for a hard drive manufacturer!
10:27 <@Shadow404> nice, dad is gonna fly a midnight mission
10:28 <@Shadow404> heh, when i got dad an screen name for gtalk, i used spydad2008
10:28 <@Shadow404> heh, im lame, i know
10:28 <@Shadow404> that isnt the exact screename though
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10:28 <+MaxieZ> Hard drive manufacturers would say PN is a year away...what with rounding
10:28 <@Shadow404> missing a few letters on the ned
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10:29 <@Shadow404> if game manufacurers said the realease was 7 months ago, it would really be 2 years
10:29 <@Shadow404> take orange box, it was 4 months late
10:29 <@poiupoiu> it's by valve: what do you expect?
10:29 <@poiupoiu> and powered by ssssssssssssssssteeeeeeeeeeeeeeam
10:30 <@Shadow404> well, its a kickass game
10:30 <@Shadow404> so i can be paitent
10:30 <@Shadow404> just figures
10:30 <@poiupoiu> yeah, i'm just saying that valve tends to delay everything until it's ready
10:30 <@poiupoiu> so that's not an average example of the game industry
10:30 <@Shadow404> true
10:31 < Curbob> We released Gears of war when we said we were going to
10:31 < Curbob> cuz MS was on our asses lol
10:32 < Curbob> but look at GTA 4
10:32 <@brimstone> We ?
10:32 < Curbob> i worked on Gears
10:33 <@brimstone> that's cool
10:33 <@brimstone> which part?
10:33 < Curbob> it was fun
10:33 < Curbob> shit.. testing lol, paid to play the game all day every day
10:33 <@brimstone> sweet
10:33 < Curbob> evn added my name to the game
10:33  * brimstone writes down "met a tester on gears of war" to list of party conversation topics
10:34 < Curbob> lol
10:34 <@Shadow404> brimstone: what sorta parties do u frequent?
10:34 <@Shadow404> or do u mean con parties topic?
10:34 < Curbob> phreaknic and outerzone lol
10:34  * Curbob nods
10:34 < ware> Curbob: what do you do?
10:34 <@brimstone> basically con parties
10:34  * brimstone hangs his head
10:34 <@poiupoiu> Curbob, what name should i look for on the credits?
10:35 < Curbob> Richard Curry.. (not worried many know my name) under testers
10:35 < Curbob> we worked for Microsoft but were at the Epic Games studio
10:36 <@brimstone> poiupoiu: tell your roommate
10:36 <@Dagmar> WHERE'S MY DUKE NUKEM FOREVER, BITCH?
10:36 < Curbob> one of the hardest interviews i've done (usually sysadmin and tech interviews)
10:36 < Curbob> lol
10:36 <@Dagmar> STOP IRCING AND CODE MAH GAME, DAMNIT
10:37 < Curbob> I quit Epic and moved to ATL
10:37 <@poiupoiu> i did tell him that i met someone who did testing for gears already
10:37 < Curbob> i quit before the game went gold but they added my name still (woohoo)
10:38 < ware> neat
10:38 <@rhia> Curbob: ever meet an artist there named Wyeth?
10:38 <@poiupoiu> Richard Curry[Volt]
10:38 <@poiupoiu> hooray youtube
10:39 < Curbob> i went to one of the artist parties, but don't remember his name
10:39 < Curbob> yep thats me
10:39 < ware> does godaddy add MX records that dont show up in their dns control panel?
10:41 <+MaxieZ> host -t mx domain noob
10:41 <+MaxieZ> :)
10:41 <@Dolemite> "domain" not found; "noob" not found
10:41 <+MaxieZ> heh
10:42 <@Dolemite> doh!  I guess somewhat wrong on the error it would spit out. ;)
10:42 <+MaxieZ> Yeah it would look for domain on the name server noob
10:43 <+MaxieZ> host: couldn't get address for 'noob': not found
10:44 < ware> MaxieZ: i know how to check mx records freak
10:45 <+MaxieZ> heh
10:45 < ware> but it has 2 mail exchangers listed for the domain but godaddy only has 1 listed
10:45 < ware> the one i need
10:46 < ware> i want to know if they fuck up and add one for the domain automagically or something
10:46 < ware> because its the same domain in the mx record
10:47 <+MaxieZ> Sounds like a screw up to me.
10:48 < ware> well i dunno what else to do past call godaddy
10:48 <@Shadow404> ouch, latency to iraq
10:48 <+MaxieZ> Either that or they're trying to collect spam.
10:48 < ware> client is complaining they are able to receive mail sporaddically
10:48 < ware> sometimes it works and sometimes the sender gets a failed msg
10:48 <+MaxieZ> Mind sharing the domain?
10:49 < ware> but if theres a mx record for the domain that points to no mail handler then of course its going to fail
10:49 < ware> ill pm it
10:49 <+MaxieZ> Shadow404: Packets go slower without freedom
10:50 < Curbob> speaking of godaddy, i sent them an email saying a site had copies something off one of my sites, their reply was.. thanks the site will be offline in 30 minutes,.. that's it, not other questions or proof
10:50 <+MaxieZ> nice.
10:51 < Curbob> and it was shut down
10:51 <@Shadow404> MaxieZ: yeah, for real
10:51 <+MaxieZ> We generally tell the customer and then let the two discuss it.  Then ask for proof if the complainer wants the site shut down.
10:51 < Curbob> so if you want to bring down someones site.. yell copywrite
10:52 < Curbob> i figured they'd send the person an email saying just take down the copied stuff
10:52 <+MaxieZ> Was it obvious?
10:52 <@brimstone> poiupoiu got a DMCA for a lolcat
10:53 <+MaxieZ> I mean I've had people sharing movies and stuff that I told to either remove or else be shut off.
10:53 <@oddball> "would you like this as your default printer?" "What do you mean 'default?'"
10:53 < Curbob> the site was an rss feed of everyone that had a WoW blog
10:56 <@Evilpig> why must developers use tomcat!?!
10:57 <@Evilpig> Unexpected failure detected: ServerException
10:57 <@Evilpig> and no other information in any of the logs about it
11:01 < ware> apache>
11:03 < ware> lol@godaddys circus clown hold music
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11:15 <@dc0de> ware; really? is it bad?
11:15 < ware> actaully
11:15 < ware> the tech i got is worse
11:15 < ware> 'no we dont host your dns'
11:15 < ware> WTF
11:15 < ware> then he got mad when i asked to talk to a senior tech
11:17 <@dc0de> nice.
11:22 < ware> zone files on their end didnt refresh when i made the change via their web app
11:22 < ware> ftl
11:22 <@dc0de> nice
11:22 <@Evilpig> host your own
11:22 < dmcmorris_esi> heh...
11:22 < dmcmorris_esi> Guy 1: Hold on, I got to put my hearing aides in
11:22 < dmcmorris_esi> Guy 2: hurry up you dirty bastard
11:22 < dmcmorris_esi> I love working here! ;)
11:22 < ware> lol
11:23 < dmcmorris_esi> it's... very relaxed ;)
11:23 < ware> Evilpig: viable option, i do not have any experience hosting dns
11:23 <@Evilpig> there isn't much to it
11:24 < ware> brimstone said something about doing redundant dns with his stuff / tim and i's stuff
11:25 < ware> so i guess i will learnz it
11:26 <@dc0de> dmcmorris_esi; where is esi?
11:26 < dmcmorris_esi> dc0de: Norcross (NE Atlanta)
11:27 <@dc0de> dmcmorris_esi; what do you do for them?
11:27 < dmcmorris_esi> dc0de: tech support
11:27 < dmcmorris_esi> Tier-2 helpdesk
11:27 <@dc0de> cool
11:27 < dmcmorris_esi> officially... Unofficially, a little bit of everything
11:27 < skmurphy> tsk tsk personal information
11:28 < ware> 11:28 [freenode] ,---Whois--< skmurphy [n=chatzill@168.28.68.74]
11:28 < ware> tsk tsk tsk personal information
11:29 < ware> usg.edu
11:29 < dmcmorris_esi> that could be anything in the state of GA though ;)
11:29 < skmurphy> yep
11:29 < dmcmorris_esi> I think all of peachnet uses usg
11:30 < dmcmorris_esi> http://www.usg.edu/peachnet/
11:30 < ware> well we know he uses firefox!
11:30 < dmcmorris_esi> so, (s)he may not even be at a university... (s)he may very well be at a public library using wifi or something
11:30 < ware> ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox  2.0.0.12/2008020121]
11:31 < ware> that peach looks like a butt
11:31 < ware> with a butt nipple on it
11:31 < ware> lol@georgia butt nipples
11:31 < dmcmorris_esi> it does...
11:31  * ware points and laughs
11:31  * ware drinks a large glass of water
11:31 < skmurphy> oh man butt nipples
11:32 < ware> lol dmcmorris_esi will you milk my butt nipples
11:32 < skmurphy> oh my god it's a trap!
11:32 < dmcmorris_esi> ware: if they looked like that, absolutely!
11:32 < ware> hahaha
11:36 <@aestetix> Wow, this sucks.
11:36 < dmcmorris_esi> Oh I know man! I can't believe it!
11:36 < dmcmorris_esi> (oh, what are you talking about)
11:36 <@aestetix> The girl before who has been denied a renewed passport until she can provide documentation that she had the SRS operation
11:36 <@aestetix> Her insurance is now denying her the operation.
11:36 <@aestetix> Based on her "health condition"
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11:46 <@someninjaserver> why wont they renew the passport
11:55 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: legalized gender discrimination, basically
11:55 <@someninjaserver> ah
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> At some point, the govt needs to evolve and stop caring so much about gender
12:04 <@dc0de> gender is a basic part of identity... so the government wants to know what sex the person IS, not what sex they are GOING to be, or FEEL they are.
12:05 <@Corydon76-dig> It may be a part of YOUR identity, but that should be for you to decide, not for the govt to mandate
12:05 <+MaxieZ> And what about people who are both genders?
12:05 <@dc0de> no, it shouldn't be for me to decide, not any more or less than I can say I think my eyes are brown, when they're blue.
12:06 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: unless the govt lets people go around exposing their sex organs, gender has no place in govt
12:06 <@dc0de> so I should be able to get a government ID that says I'm a Female, with Brown eyes, just because I WANT to?
12:07 <@Corydon76-dig> I didn't say anything about eye color
12:07 <+MaxieZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexed
12:07 <@dc0de> Well, I could decide to change the eye color that I was born with, by using brown contacts for the rest of my life...
12:07 <@dc0de> why can't I have my passport say that I have brown eyes?
12:07 <@dc0de> it's not about SEX, it's about identity.
12:08 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: do you dress like a woman?
12:08 <@dc0de> It depends on how you classify "dress like a woman".
12:08 < Curbob> only everyother tuesday
12:08 <@dc0de> that's a subjective question
12:08 <@dc0de> it's not an absolute
12:09 <@Corydon76-dig> If you appear to be a woman and live your life as a woman, then yes, your identity documents should correlate that you're a woman
12:09 <@dc0de> If the person in question is STILL a MAN, then he's male.
12:09 < Curbob> do you count earrings dressing like a woman??
12:09 <@Corydon76-dig> at least insomuch as identity documents that you have to show in public
12:09 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig; sorry, I don't agree.
12:10 <@dc0de> bellsouth had a similar issue at their headquarters, with a man who decided to live his life as a transvestite.
12:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Curbob: Some people who are born male choose to live their lives as females.  They should be able to get identity documents that correlate
12:10 <@dc0de> he retained his work, but the company put in a separate bathroom just for HIM.
12:10 <@oddball> Corydon76-dig: ok, so if I always wear green contact lenses, should my reported eye color be green?
12:11 <@dc0de> because the men didn't want him in the men's room, and the women went to court to keep him out of the women's room.
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: probably
12:11 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig; sorry, that's the wrong answer.
12:11 <@dc0de> then what's the purpose of identity documents, if they aren't absolute?
12:11 <@SkyDog_> agreed.
12:12 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: they aren't absolute now
12:12 <@Corydon76-dig> So bad argument
12:12 <@Corydon76-dig> If identity arguments were absolute, there wouldn't be any identity theft
12:12 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig; and equally bad argument, is that they aren't absolute, so we should make them even LESS So.
12:12 <@dc0de> worse argument.
12:12 < Curbob> true i have docs showing my name spelled completely wrong but i have a bank account under the fake name and can buy and sell items with that name
12:13 <@dc0de> you just see it as a Gender issue, not one of identity.
12:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Curbob: I live my life using my middle name as my first.  I should be able (and I can) have my middle name specified as my first on identity documents
12:13 <@dc0de> Curbob; absolutely true... if, say, i were to have one or two other sets of papers...
12:13 <@Corydon76-dig> I called the passport office and confirmed exactly that.
12:14 < Curbob> yeah i couldnt get a passport with the other name, but i wonder if it's counted as legal sice i've used it for transactions
12:14 <@Corydon76-dig> I haven't legally changed my name, but it's perfectly fine, as long as I can show that I live my life with those two names reversed
12:15 < Curbob> i think that's why now many states make you have all 3 names on your drivers license
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Curbob: they suggest that you have 2 years of supporting documentation
12:15 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig; and your birth certificate shows it that way now?
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: the birth certificate was issued in 1976, and it has not been re-issued, no.
12:15 <@dc0de> I'd be interested to see if you can get your REAL-ID with your names reversed.
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: but I don't have to show that in public, either
12:16 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: US Passport qualifies under Real ID
12:16 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: and I can have that issued that way
12:16 <@dc0de> do you have it issued that way?
12:16 <@Corydon76-dig> I haven't gotten it yet
12:16 <@dc0de> ahh.
12:16 <@dc0de> ok
12:16 < Curbob> wasn't there just a law passed in GA that if you're on any public aid, you must always carry papers proving who you are and that you're a citizan
12:17 <@dc0de> Curbob; dunno, not on public aid... yet...
12:17 < Curbob> same here, so doesn't effect me, but sounds a bit strange
12:17 <@brimstone> i want papers proving i'm a robot
12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: do you live your life as a robot?
12:17 <@brimstone> seems like it
12:17 <@brimstone> i'm a slave to a schedule
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> No free time?
12:18 <@brimstone> doesn't seem like it
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Or free time spent in a closet, connected to a power source?
12:18 <@someninjaserver> wow phreaknic mailing list drama
12:18 <@brimstone> heh
12:20 <@someninjaserver> i sorta understand where the goverment is comming from
12:20 <@someninjaserver> if you commit a crime as a women
12:20 <@someninjaserver> when you are a man
12:21 <@someninjaserver> it will cause confusion if you stop dressing as a woman
12:21 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: If the government is going to issue you an ID and demand that you show it in public, then it should identify you, not identify someone that you might have become
12:22 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: for instance, I can tell that if somebody calls and asks for my real first name, they are asking for someone I could have become, not for me
12:22 <@Corydon76-dig> and hence it's probably some callcenter, not someone with whom I actually have an account
12:22 <@Corydon76-dig> or someone who knows me
12:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Going back to the eye color (good example), it only serves to confuse a police officer if you habitually dye your hair black and wear green contacts, if your ID says you have blond hair and blue eyes
12:24 <@someninjaserver> yeah but your talking hair not gender
12:25 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: gender is just one more attribute that is put on a public identification document
12:25 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjaserver: note that I'm not arguing about private medical records or records that aren't put on your public identification document
12:27 <@someninjaserver> i think were to the point where we have to agree to dissagree
12:29 < ware> Query Time: 69ms
12:30 < ware> bow chika bow-wow
12:30 <@someninjaserver> haha
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12:41 <@oddball> Ok, how the hell does someone accidentally enable BIOS password protection?
12:42 <@Dolemite> It came out of nowhere!
12:42 <@dc0de> oddball; they tripped and fell and typed it in?
12:42 <@Dolemite> It scared me and I just started pressing buttons!
12:42 <@oddball> 'Cause the owner just did it.
12:42 <+MaxieZ> I'm watching Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox story...it's awesome
12:42 <@dc0de> very nice... what kind of system? Desktop? Laptop?
12:42 <@oddball> Dell desktop.
12:43 <@dc0de> oddball; you should be able to reset the bios, by pulling a jumper.
12:43 <@oddball> I just went in and left the password jumper to "forced off"
12:43 <+MaxieZ> He thought the password prompt was asking him a trick question?
12:43 <@dc0de> oddball; nm...
12:43 <+MaxieZ> The better question is how'd he get into the bios in the first place...
12:43 <@dc0de> It rebooted and I just started pressing buttons@!
12:43 <@oddball> probably
12:44 <+MaxieZ> oddball: It's your fault for not putting a password on the bios in the first place.
12:44 <@dc0de> ooh, baseball on SPSO
12:44 <@dc0de> oddball; I agree with MaxieZ, your pay should be docked.
12:44 <@dc0de> and if you do it again, you should lose a testicle
12:44 <@Shadow404> kinky
12:45 <@oddball> he managed to set it so he had to enter the password, or the machine wouldn't boot.
12:45 <@dc0de> uhh? kinky?
12:45  * dc0de is worried about Shadow404's idea of "kink". 
12:45 <@Shadow404> heh
12:45 <@Shadow404> i was being sarcastic
12:50  * Corydon76-dig gets out the wet celery and egg whisk and grins at Shadow404 
12:51 <@Shadow404> no, that was only that one time when i was really drunk, and i still have scars mentally and physically
12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> but not emotionally
12:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Also note that Shadow404 just admitted to engaging in kink with me
12:54 < ware> ew
12:54 < ware> Corydon did Shadow
12:54 < ware> blackmail avail for $40
12:55 < ware> Corydon76-dig: who was better? me or him?
12:55 < ware> 12:42 <@ Dolemite> It scared me and I just started pressing buttons!
12:56 < ware> hahahahaha
12:56 < ware> thats going to be my new excuse for why i broke it
12:56 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig; I'm waiting to see who put's in on the Topic first.
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12:57 < ware> pwn
12:58 < ware> surely dc0de was talking about me
12:58 < ware> but we all know Shadow404's had the celery egg whisk treament
12:58 < ware> FO REAL
12:58 <@dc0de> ware; of course...
12:58 <@aestetix> Ok
12:58 <@dc0de> mmmmm, crunchy
12:58 -!- Corydon76-dig changed the topic of #se2600 to: Hiking Trip Saturday!  See Dolemite for details.  | Summercon May 30 - June 1 http://www.summercon.org/ | Corydon76 gets out the wet celery and egg whisk and grins at Shadow404 | <Shadow404> no, that was only that one time | <ware> who was better?  me or him?
12:58 < ware> but the truth has more hilarity
12:58 <@aestetix> Let's say I have a network and want to make a diagram that can be exported into ODBC format
12:59 < ware> aestetix: #helpdesk noob
12:59 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig; VERY NICE !
12:59 <@aestetix> What's the best method to do that?
12:59 <@aestetix> Visio and export to XML?
12:59 <@aestetix> Or is there something that can map it automatically?
12:59 < ware> real engineers use notepad
12:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Uh, ODBC "format"?
12:59 <@dc0de> aestetix; jfgi.com
12:59 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: a format that can be imported into a database
13:00 <@aestetix> Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis?
13:00 < ware> dc0de: hahaha i was expecting some kinda network analysis tool rofl
13:00 <@dc0de> Visio Professional should be able to scan the network... at least it could in 2003.
13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: tab-delimited records?
13:00 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: sure
13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Perl?
13:01 <@dc0de> aestetix; you have a diagram in Visio?
13:02 <@aestetix> dc0de: No. I was wondering if there's a tool that can auto-create a diagram.
13:02 <@dc0de> there are several.
13:02 <@aestetix> It sounds like Visio might be able to do that?
13:02 <@dc0de> what version of Visio do you have?
13:02 <@aestetix> 2003 I think
13:03 <@dc0de> ok, do you have access to MSDN?
13:03 <@aestetix> I gotta wait till my coworker gets back, it's on his machine
13:03 <@dc0de> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/visio/diagram.mspx
13:03 <@dc0de> it was version 2000
13:04 <@dc0de> and once it's in Visio, you can use Tools | Export to database
13:04 <@dc0de> to put it in an odbc database
13:05 < ware> dc0de is eleet
13:05 <@dc0de> no, just too many years of working in networking
13:07 < ware> doesnt look like 2003 has the auto discovery tool
13:07 < ware> laid out in the kb
13:07 <@aestetix> On July 1, 2002 Microsoft announced that Visio Enterprise Network Tools (VENT), a Visio Professional 2002 add-in that provided advanced network diagramming solutions, was discontinued because of lack of customer demand.
13:07 <@dc0de> uh, I thought I said: "<dc0de> it was version 2000:
13:08 <@dc0de> if you are running linux, you can use cheops-ng
13:08 < ware> ahhhas to be enterprise
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13:18 <@dc0de> aestetix; cheops-ng allows you to nmap everything... then it creates the diagrams.
13:18 <@brimstone> hehe, cheops
13:19 <@dc0de> the great pyramid builder.
13:19 <@Corydon76-dig> ladymerlin: when are you going to post the cake pics?
13:20 <@critch> she already posted at least on
13:20 <@critch> one even
13:21 <@critch> http://blog.ladymerlin.com/index.php?entry=entry080407-141012
13:21 <@aestetix> that sounds really cool
13:22 <@dc0de> MaxieZ; ping?
13:22 <@ShadowHntr> god
13:22 <@ShadowHntr> ATI Radeon Xpress 200M and Linux are not the best of bedfellows.
13:22 <@ShadowHntr> :/
13:22 <@ShadowHntr> the fglrx driver works fine
13:22 <@ShadowHntr> but throw in DRI, and it goes nuts.
13:22 <+MaxieZ> I'm here.
13:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, I was looking in the gallery
13:26 < ware> thats a giant black cock covered in white creamy goo
13:26 < ware> and i got to put the tip in my mouth
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13:26 < ware> rofl
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13:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, not a giant black cock.  I've seen bigger
13:27 < ware> thats the biggest ive gotten to wipe cream all over
13:27 < ware> and swallow for that matter
13:28  * Curbob has entered the wrong channel
13:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Did you enjoy that big black cock, ware?
13:28 < ware> i loved that big black cock
13:28 < ware> almost as much as bush did
13:28 < ware> but he had it all over his face
13:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, didn't Bush eat that cock twice?
13:28 < ware> yuhp, went back for 2nds
13:28 < ware> wait, wtf.  why didnt you make a big white cock
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: couldn't find a mix that was flesh-colored
13:29 < ware> or even better, the rainbow cock with the sprinkles in it
13:29 < ware> haha it would have syphillis
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> That's precisely why not
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> or yellow and have hepatitis
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I considered red velvet, though
13:31 < ware> man i want some cake now.
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I have the remainders here, still
13:31 < ware> at home or the office?
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Home
13:32 < ware> if i lived in the boro still it'd be on the way home
13:32 <@aestetix> Great.
13:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, ware, like you'd ever show at my house alone...
13:32 <@aestetix> "Slated for $154 million in funding this year, plan would put the National Security Agency and DHS in charge of cyber security for all federal government agencies."
13:32 < ware> i think i advocated the first time me and tim and ses showed up
13:33 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: you weren't alone... you had a sacrifice in mind...
13:34 < ware> hahaha hell yeah i did
13:34 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: but you can come over anytime and play "Twister"
13:35 < ware> will you give me cake and ice cream?
13:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Cake and hot cream?
13:35 < ware> bukCake and hot cream?
13:36 < dmcmorris_esi> If you won't, I will
13:37 <@Corydon76-dig> dmcmorris_esi: you're going to bukkake on ware?
13:37 < dmcmorris_esi> I, uh, couldn't think of anything else
13:37 < dmcmorris_esi> poorly-written requests are driving me nuts
13:38 < dmcmorris_esi> there's a section that has the choices "Available", "Available Next Version", "Not Available"
13:38 < dmcmorris_esi> some of the questions (which those answers are supposed to be used on) include "What is your overall storage capacity"
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13:39 < dmcmorris_esi> uhh, lets see... that would be "Available next version" I think...
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16:13 <@polerin> meh.
16:16 <@aestetix> Is it possible to create a program made of palindromic opcodes?
16:17 <@aestetix> based purely in logic. disregarding file format structure, etc
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16:40 <@rhia> aestetix: lay off the meds <g>
16:41 <@aestetix> oh come oin
16:42 <@aestetix> I'm talking about mathematical beuaty
16:42 <@aestetix> beauty
16:42 <@aestetix> fuck laptop keyboards :/
16:51 <@rhia> whatever rocks your boat
16:51 <@aestetix> dc0de: you aroudn?
16:52 <@aestetix> I'm wondering if there's a way to get Visio 2007 to automatically create a network diagram
16:55 <@Evilpig> depends on how automattic you want it
16:55 <@Evilpig> like just open visio and it does all the work nope.  but you could pay ware to do it and when he gave it to you it would be kinda like automattic
17:03 <@brimstone> there's a price for quality though
17:06 <@aestetix> I'm not giving ware any money unless his mom is involved.
17:20 <@rattle> You can write code to create the linkages between nodes and hosts, export them in something like csv, then use Visio to do the layout..
17:20 <@rattle> I'm pretty sure that Visio can read dot format..
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17:40 <@brimstone> so this is weird, `hostname` is one thing, `hostname -s` is the name of a different system
17:42 <@brimstone> anyone seen this before?
17:44 < AstralSin> it returns the hostname of my system
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17:51 <@juice> hmm?
17:53 <@juice> what is this on brimstone ?
17:53 <@brimstone> i found it
17:53 <@juice> k
17:53 <@brimstone> turns out the system name wasn't it's dns entry
17:53 <@brimstone> and it was a cname to another system
17:53 <@brimstone> yeah, crazy
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18:28 <@SkyDog_> Are we there yet?
18:28 < R3d2Dawn> Its just over the hill
18:29 <@SkyDog_> I hafta pee.
18:29 < R3d2Dawn> we can pull over to the side or better yet just let it hang out the window and go
18:29 <@dc0de_> SkyDog_; then pee.?
18:29 <@SkyDog_> Ahhhh...
18:29 <@SkyDog_> That's better.
18:29 <@dc0de_> SkyDog_; pull out one of the plugs under the rug in the car, and pee
18:30 <@SkyDog_> Heh.
18:30 <@juice> nice idea dc0de_
18:31 <@juice> no more bathroom breaks on roadtrips
18:31 <@dc0de_> and they have a "condom" with a tube, that you can run down your leg, so you can pee while walking in New Orleans during Mardi Gras, just use that.
18:31 <@juice> pull the plug and go
18:31 <@dc0de_> and run the tube
18:32 <@nachoguy> I hate life
18:33 <@nachoguy> any asterisk gurus want a Job in Chicago yesterday?
18:36 <@hobbes615> hmm that sounds interesting
18:39 <@nachoguy> hobbes, seriously.  If you're interested, tell me
18:39 <@nachoguy> I'll take your resume
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19:00 <@juice> wow its been 14 years since Kurt Cobain died. That doesn't seem like it happened that long ago
19:03 <@dc0de_> who died?
19:03 <@dc0de_> Oh, Kurt No-brain...
19:04 <@dc0de_> at least after the shotgun round tore through his cranium.
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19:19 < R3d2Dawn> Yeah it does not seem like that long ago
19:26 < AstralSin> well, time flies when you're having fun
19:28 < ware> wee
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19:57 < AstralSin> anyone in tennessee tried getting signal on an hdtv antenna?
19:59 <@rattle> They are back, they still need autotune..  http://youtube.com/watch?v=WqiWrKkILOU
19:59 < AstralSin> im trying to get signal right now in tvtime but i'm not getting anything... might not get any signal where i am :/
20:01 <@Mirage> I only get about 20 or so channels for HD, over half of which are crap (religious, home shopping, ion)
20:02 < AstralSin> where are you
20:02 <@Mirage> Donelson area
20:06 < R3d2Dawn> Place your votes: Cable TV or Satelite TV?
20:07 < AstralSin> havent used satellite enough to know, really
20:07 <@Mirage> I can't really hook a mythtv box up to satelite, which is why i have cable.  Besides..cable doesn't go out (often) in heavy rain or snow
20:07 <@Mirage> Unless your Corydon..then it always goes out in the rain
20:08 < AstralSin> bah, i can't get an OTA signal
20:09 <@Mirage> Hell, I could pick up OTA in my apt in Antioch..which was in a bowl and had shitty FM radio connection.  Where are you at?
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20:09 <@Mirage> connection/reception
20:09 < R3d2Dawn> Does anyone live up around the Ashland City / Pleasant View / Clarksville / Springfield area?
20:10 <@Mirage> Notlarry technically likes in Whites Creek
20:10 <@Mirage> er, lives in..damn i'm out of it tonight
20:10  * Mirage blames it all on the allergy meds
20:10 < AstralSin> im in tullahoma
20:11 < AstralSin> actually, i'm right in the buttcrack of franklin, coffee, and moore county
20:11 <@Mirage> OK, so you're in the middle of fucking nowhere and wondering why you can't get an HD signal?
20:11 <@polerin> lol
20:12 < AstralSin> hahah, well i was looking on this one site and someone in estill springs (very close to me) said they got signal
20:12 <@polerin> get a bigger antenna and stick it way the fuckupinthe air
20:12 < AstralSin> but then again, they also said their antenna was 20ft in the air
20:12 <@polerin> directional antenna with high gain and a booster ;P
20:12 < AstralSin> oh well, this was a freebie, i was just gonna see if i could get it to work
20:12 < AstralSin> maybe i can make a better antenna...
20:13 < AstralSin> maybe i can use the old satellite dish next to my house for an antenna...
20:13 <@Mirage> They probably have a 100' tower with 3 antennas on it..one pointing toward ATL, one toward Nash, and one toward BHM
20:15 < R3d2Dawn> I was just asking in case if I need a ride to and / or from the meetings some nights! Here is a map of where I live roughly http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=36.419788&lon=-86.977268&mag=8&q1=Pleasant%20View%2C%20TN so if you are willing let me know. My wife and I only have 1 car at the moment and sometimes she needs it due to our work
20:16 <@Mirage> The only times Notlarry would be attending the meeting is if he's scheduled to work that night, so he couldn't do it anyway
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20:17 <@mtown_nerd> \o
20:18 < AstralSin> http://www.hackaday.com/2007/02/01/diy-hd-antenna/  <-- maybe that'll work better, i think i have all that crap laying around
20:19 < AstralSin> i've even got an antenna pole to duct tape it to, now that i think about it
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20:38 < Synx_hm_> whois Synx_hm
20:38 < Synx_hm_> err
20:38 < Synx_hm_> damn it
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20:39 < Synx_hm> there we go
20:39 < Synx_hm> sup peeps
20:41 < Synx_hm> Anyone have any experience with an online master program in engineering?
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20:48 < R3d2Dawn> what engineering?
20:49 <@dc0de> sup Synx_hm? still in guam?
20:52 < Synx_hm> ya
20:52 < Synx_hm> electrical
20:52 < Synx_hm> how ya been dc0de
20:53 < R3d2Dawn> what kind of help do you need?
20:53 < Synx_hm> just curious what its like trying to do that type of course work online
20:53 < Synx_hm> not to mention i have no references from the industry to write me any letters for admittance
20:55 < R3d2Dawn> Depending on the topic it at hand it should not be too much an issue, if you have discipline to do the work with out any outside guidance
20:55 < Synx_hm> thats fine, but what about lab work?
20:56 < R3d2Dawn> but when it comes to electrical / electronic eng it is very help full if you have labs such as building and designing circuits, its one thing to use the software than it is to use actuall tools
20:56 < Synx_hm> ya thats the problem i was curious about, can you actually get a masters without touching a lab?
20:56 < Synx_hm> http://wpcarey.asu.edu/mba/online/program/mba-mse-ee.cfm
20:57 < R3d2Dawn> I have a BS in Electronic Engineering and I could not imagine doing that with out any real labs or even with out the class room
20:58 < Synx_hm> ya same as i, Electronic Engineering
20:58 <@dc0de> Synx_hm; no
20:58 < Synx_hm> so i also imagine i might have to get a few extra credit before i can even start a true EE
20:58 < Synx_hm> dc0de: no what?
20:59 < R3d2Dawn> Well its possible, now that I think of it though, Usually your masters is mostly all theory and writing up papers on stuff, where the AS and BS is the lab work
20:59 < R3d2Dawn> so maybe
21:00 < Synx_hm> ya i would really like to get a MS in the same field instead of MBA
21:00 < Synx_hm> well see i guess
21:00 < Synx_hm> id just like to be marketable if i get out of the USAF
21:00 < R3d2Dawn> Did you learn the EE in USAF?
21:01 < Synx_hm> a MS EE, TS clearence, and military background w00t hehe
21:01 < Synx_hm> R3d2Dawn: naw, got my degree then comissioned via OTS
21:01 < R3d2Dawn> Heck just the EE, TS and military background she do the trick
21:01 < Synx_hm> commissioned
21:01 < Synx_hm> ya hehe i hope so
21:02 < R3d2Dawn> So whats your rank?
21:02 < Synx_hm> 1Lt
21:02 < Synx_hm> O-2
21:02 < R3d2Dawn> have you been doing EE in the USAF?
21:02 < R3d2Dawn> and for how many years?
21:02 < Synx_hm> naw, i fly B-52s
21:02 < R3d2Dawn> how many years have you been in?
21:03 <@someninjamaster> sup synx
21:03 < Synx_hm> 3.5
21:03 < Synx_hm> err
21:03 < Synx_hm> 3
21:03 < R3d2Dawn> You may want to try and get into EE field in the USAF, that would definitely put you up their
21:04 < Synx_hm> ya, not an option for me, but i rather enjoy flying so it works out
21:05 < R3d2Dawn> If you came out of the service as Commissioned, with BS in EE, along with X amount of years in the USAF with EE background and TS you could go real far
21:05 < R3d2Dawn> why is not an option?
21:05 < R3d2Dawn> USAF is full of EE fields...
21:06 < Synx_hm> Yes, but as a flyer i am allready stuck in flying, plus my commitment as a flyer, there is no way to get over into such a different career field, however... they have Test Pilot School (as a Nav for me) which i could goto and thats like doing flying EE stuff ;)
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21:07 < R3d2Dawn> I wish I knew back when I was in the Navy that I really wanted to get into Electronics / Computer stuff, because if I knew what I know now then I could of been sit'n big in the Navy or even CIA or Pentagon
21:07 < Synx_hm> hehe
21:08 < R3d2Dawn> hmm...Have you asked, I never heard of not being able to switch fields in the military
21:08 < Synx_hm> ya i am happy where i am at right now, just gotta thing about what i would like to do if i decide to get out
21:08 < R3d2Dawn> I know you will have to get all the books and start studying and taking the courses to prove you can do it
21:08 < Synx_hm> R3d2Dawn: ya while its not impossible, in the flying field its rather hard, and in my particular airframe with numbers where they are at, i will not get out without serving my time in the BUFF
21:09 < R3d2Dawn> I started as a Boatswains mate in the Navy and was currently taking mil courses in both Damage Control and Dentistry
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21:10 < R3d2Dawn> all it was book work at the time, once I was finished with certain amount of courses I could easily then switch to that field when a position was open
21:10 < Synx_hm> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ra8pUEYYU0w
21:11 < AstralSin> that url almost says rape you
21:11 < R3d2Dawn> yeah
21:12 <@sasquatc4> i always wondered how the online ms's were, my alma keeps sendin me letters since they just started doin EE and CmpE MS online
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21:15 < R3d2Dawn> Could you even get time to do basically volunteer work in an EE Field, even if its doing work on the airplanes electrial and electronic system?
21:16 < R3d2Dawn> now if you could even do that or if you are doing that now that would be a great plus when transition from the USAF to Civ work in a EE field
21:18 < sdodson> Kris Kross will make ya jump jump!
21:18 < sdodson> I'm going to start a new rick roll'ing meme, except with Kris Kross
21:19 < AstralSin> ugh
21:19 < AstralSin> don't do that
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21:47 < Synx_hm> i have given up on getting my touch pad to properly work in ubuntu
21:48 < Synx_hm> no matter what i set in the xorg.conf upon x load up it detects what ever it feels and doesn't seem to care about what i think
21:48 < Synx_hm> fuck you automatic detection!
21:48 < Synx_hm> i want to have a say in my XOrg experience
21:48 < Synx_hm> i do not care for your even so insightful say on what you think i want
21:49 < Synx_hm> s/even/ever
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22:01 < timoguin> STOP TALKING MOTHER FUCKERS!
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22:02 <@dc0de> Synx_hm; what hardware?
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22:18 < Synx_hm> dc0de: HP dv4000 laptop
22:18 < Synx_hm> dc0de: bit older, its an ALPS pad, and no matter what i put for the /dev/inputs location it autodetects where it is, and it wont do anything with the twofingerscroll parm i keep passing
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22:55 <@brimstone> anyone know if perl's "or" is short-circuited?
22:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, it is
22:56 <@brimstone> sweet
23:06 < ware> ahh girls.
23:06 < ware> whats up ladies
23:07 < ware> and i use the term extremely loosely
23:07 < ware> much like that of the manlihood of Corydon
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23:16 < ware> !google icechat
23:16 < imhere2plzu> http://www.icechat.net/
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23:17 < Synx_hm> Ware, you listen to faithless
23:17 < Synx_hm> fucking rocks!
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23:22 < ware> nerp
23:23 < ware> linkage
23:24 < Synx_hm> http://www.google.com/musica?aid=SWFGU4NDCXF&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result
23:24 < Synx_hm> ~minilink
23:24 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/google.com/Hf5d9
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23:32 < sdodson> hammer time!
23:33 < ware> nice host
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