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02:51 <+scort> someninjaserver:
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03:01 <+scort> hi coikl
03:01 <+scort> how are you today?
03:01 <+scort> dead inside? me too!!!
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06:27 < ware> wee
06:36 <@Shadow404> meow
06:36 <@Shadow404> i hate this new morning shift
06:37 <@Shadow404> damn, burning ball in the sky
06:39 <@Shadow404> they had me start this early shift because they wanted to make sure someone was here for my department early enough and theres not even anything in our que to work on
06:39 <@Shadow404> ffs
06:40 <@Shadow404> .....then again when has mananagment of any kind made any sense to the underlings
06:40 < ware> mmm underlings.
06:41  * Shadow404 feeds baby underlings to ware 
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07:09 <@ladymerlin> whee
07:11 < ware> WUH-HEEE
07:11 < ware> say it like you mean it!
07:20  * I-MOD says it like ware means it
07:20 <@I-MOD> unce
07:28  * ware loves going to work with the caravan
07:28 < ware> theyre always like an hour late but theyre all the bosses
07:41 <@aestetix> man I feel like shit
07:41 <@aestetix> sick + five hours of sleep = no good
07:45 <@aestetix> www.hope.net
07:45 <@aestetix> looks like HOPE got hacked :o
07:45 <@aestetix> :p
07:48 <+MaxieZ> nice
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07:52 <@Shadow404> thats awesome
07:56 <+MaxieZ> I'm confused.   Is hope.net a 2600 site or an obama site?
07:57 <@aestetix> It used to be a 2600 site :p
07:57 <+MaxieZ> Cause...http://www.aboutus.org/HOPE.NET and hope.net looks like 2600
08:02 <+MaxieZ> yeah...either they just screwed it all up or it's still 2600
08:02 <+MaxieZ> In fact the IP is hosted in a 2600 block of IPs under nac.net.
08:05 <@Shadow404> i wonder what mistyped urls they are trying to catch then
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08:05 <@Shadow404> cause org and com arent related to obama
08:06 <+MaxieZ> It looks like 2600 just threw it up there.
08:06 <@Shadow404> oh, ok, i wonder whats linking to it
08:06 <@Shadow404> .gov is 404
08:06 <+MaxieZ> Compare hope.net (about the con) and www.hope.net's (obama)'s IPs
08:07 <@Shadow404> nice
08:08 <@Shadow404> i like it
08:08 < Curbob> who owns the hope.net domain (yes lazy)
08:10 <+MaxieZ> I'm not sure.
08:11 < Curbob> yeah it's hidden but updated the 26th
08:11 <+MaxieZ> ~whois 2600.org
08:11 <+MaxieZ> That doesn't work
08:11 <+MaxieZ> Maybe 2600.org hijacked the domain.
08:12 < Curbob> name server is nah6.com and that goes to cryptophone.de hummmmm
08:13 <+MaxieZ> do a whois on the IP
08:13 <+MaxieZ> It nac.net says it belongs to Emanuel.
08:13 < Curbob> so who hacked who? :)
08:13 <+MaxieZ> heh
08:14 < Curbob> Obama a hacker! lol
08:14 <@Shadow404> hacking that weed
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08:36 <@dc0de> mr0nin all.
08:36 <@ziplock> :)
08:36 <@dc0de> This keyboard is odd... it's an eluminX... and it has a funny feel.
08:36 <@dc0de> sup ziplock
08:37 < Curbob> mornin
08:37 <@ziplock> just noticed the channel topic... now I have to google summercon
08:37 <@dc0de> last year it was in ATL.
08:37 <@dc0de> dunno where it's going to be this year...
08:37 <@Shadow404> wow, this sucks
08:37 <@ziplock> ohh, that's just a few days after ChicagoCon...
08:37 <@dc0de> Shadow404; your mom?
08:37 < Curbob> i was told ATL again
08:37 <@dc0de> hey Curbob, howz you?
08:37 <@dc0de> did everyone have a good weekend?
08:38 < Curbob> good, recovering from CarolinaCon
08:38 <@Shadow404> sales team says reach out to customer and fix customer issue with new $product service. Yet the client is even provisioned for $product
08:38 <@dc0de> Curbob; how did that go?
08:38 <@dc0de> good turnout?
08:38 <@Shadow404> maybe cause the client has bought that product
08:38 < Curbob> awesome, about 120 and some great talks
08:38 <@Shadow404> and i thought sales team were supposed to know theat stuff as they sale it
08:38 <@dc0de> Shadow404; it's a communications issue... just suck it up, and notify the sales weasel...
08:39 < Curbob> We had a free cookout, I cooked 90 burgers and 30 hotdogs, that was crazy!
08:39 <@Shadow404> dc0de: i did, wrote them a nasty proper email
08:39 <@dc0de> Curbob; sounds like the Toxic BBQ at Defcon..
08:39 <@dc0de> that's awesome Curbob; pics up yet?
08:39 < Curbob> not yet
08:39 <@Shadow404> did you provicde me with troubleshooting faq answers that we send evey time, and does this customer have this provisioned
08:39 <@dc0de> :)
08:39 <@Shadow404> on wait, let me answer that, no and no
08:40 <@Shadow404> btw, i copied my manager
08:40 <@Shadow404> well, i didnt write it like that, but that was the jist
08:40 <@dc0de> btw Shadow404, Old Chinese Proverb: "Be careful who's toes you step on today, they may be connected to the ASS you have to kiss tomorrow"
08:40 < Curbob> I know it's fake, but I want to make a shirt like this, but make it wireless and let people at a con hack my shirt http://www.geeklabel.com/lcd_tee.php
08:41 <@Shadow404> dc0de: i dont ever kiss sales team ass
08:41 <@Shadow404> they kiss ours, without us, stuff doesnt get fixed when their client breaks it
08:41 <@Shadow404> or needs hand holding to push the buttons on the screen
08:41 <@Shadow404> "yes $client, press the green button that ssays connect to stream
08:42 <@Shadow404> ....good job, does it work, good, have a nice day"
08:42 <@dc0de> Shadow404; yeah, I know... and do you know what happens when a support weenie pisses off the #1 sales person enough? the support weenie get's fired.
08:42 <@Shadow404> heh, thats why i copied manager and i wrote the email nicely but going over what we ask every time
08:43 <@dc0de> good...
08:43 <@Shadow404> oh, manager just wrote back sayng the same thing asking the sales team to collect more info as i advised before contacting the noc
08:43  * dc0de is just looking out for you... 
08:43 <@Shadow404> awesome
08:43 <@dc0de> Shadow404; you know i work the sales side now, right?
08:44 <@Shadow404> yeah, but i hope, when the issue is beyond your understanding, you collect as much info as possible before handingf it off to the product specialist right?
08:44 <@Shadow404> or check to make sure $client is setup for $product
08:44 <@dc0de> Shadow404; on the pre-sales side, I am the product specialist.
08:44 <@Shadow404> oh, so tech sales
08:44 <@dc0de> but I don't sell futures or vapor, and I confirm everything.
08:44 <@Shadow404> so your technical sales team?
08:44  * dc0de is a Sr. Security Architect, working for the Sales Team.
08:45 <@Shadow404> oh, ok
08:45 <@dc0de> I am a "sales engineer".
08:45 <@dc0de> I keep the sales people honest.
08:45 <@dc0de> so we can deliver every time.... (at least that's the plan...)
08:46 <@polerin> see that's a good thing
08:46 <@polerin> :P
08:46 <@polerin> god I'm so exhausted
08:46 <@dc0de> polerin; it's still a minefield.
08:46 <@Shadow404> dc0de: ok, fair enough, i like our sales engineers, they are damn good and know some aspects of the product better than the noc does
08:47 <@I-MOD> dc0de, we need 2 or 3 people to do that for our sales department
08:47 <@polerin> I've been coding while taking phone calls, coding through lunch, then coding till about 8:00 on some nights.  Also going to school, working on lissa's buisness, working on a side project, and coming in here on one of my off days to code.
08:47 <@Shadow404> I-MOD: hiring?
08:47 <@I-MOD> i swear i want to kill them sometimes
08:47 <@dc0de> then you need to get the se's talking to you.
08:47 <@I-MOD> Shadow404, not likely
08:47 <@I-MOD> we're also cheap
08:47 <@dc0de> I-MOD; SE's play a VERY important role in the sales process
08:47 <@Shadow404> I-MOD: listen to dc0de se's are the shit
08:48 <@Shadow404> dc0de: issue with our se's is they are devoted cycles wise to the sales team directly and respond to the noc through a ticket que system
08:48 <@I-MOD> sales likes to say "Yep! This unit can do everything! IT CAN EVEN SHINE YOUR SHOES!" and then they try to pawn it off on engineering
08:48 <@Shadow404> so its not always the most efficient way to get an answer
08:48 <@dc0de> I-MOD; I would recommend the following book show up on your sales director's desk... anonymously...
08:48 <@dc0de> ~minilink http://books.google.com/books?id=jDFFbAwZS5QC&dq=making+the+technical+sale&pg=PP1&ots=on-YfsKZhc&sig=get_2dhmbME3AW__IC0PUQJqlHk&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=making+the+technical+sale&btnG=Google+Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail
08:48 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/google.com/0i1at
08:48 <@I-MOD> :D
08:48 <@I-MOD> i might....
08:49 <@Shadow404> sorta like how the book "How to win Friend's" showed up in rockits p.o. box
08:49 <@dc0de> it's "the" guide for any technical sale...
08:49 <@dc0de> Shadow404; it did? *grins*
08:49 <@dc0de> bbiab.
08:49 <@Shadow404> heh, ok
08:49 <@I-MOD> i wonder if i can buy them in bulk....
08:49  * dc0de is away: off to a meeting
08:50 < Curbob> did he get his Outerz0ne tshirt :)
08:50 <@Shadow404> oh, i dont know
08:50 <@Shadow404> SkyDog_: did he?
08:50 <@ladymerlin> not yet
08:50 < Curbob> d'oh
08:50 <@Shadow404> aww, cant forget to do that
08:50 <@dc0de> ladymerlin; if you need his home address, let me know.
08:50 <@Shadow404> i just want him to login to irc to bitch us out
08:50 <@Shadow404> that would be so great
08:50 <@ladymerlin> ive got it
08:50 <@Shadow404> dc0de: ill hand deliver that shirt
08:51 <@Shadow404> just for the look on his face
08:51 <@dc0de> nah, I'll put it in the mail.
08:51 <@dc0de> I'm not going to confront him, he's done...
08:51 <@dc0de> over, last year's news, out of the scene, and prolly fucking over someone else.
08:51 <@dc0de> not my problem anymore.
08:52  * dc0de is away: meetings
08:59 <@Dolemite> Greetings from Las Vegas, you be0tches and h0ez!
08:59 <+MaxieZ> Howdy Dolemite
09:00 <@Dolemite> heya Maxie
09:01  * ware strips on Dolemite 
09:02 < ware> tipz 4 college fund plz
09:02 <@Dolemite> warebe0tch
09:02 < ware> how is is out there
09:02 < ware> rainy and gloomy here
09:02 < ware> and a monday
09:02 <@Dolemite> You don't need to go to college, from where I'm standing it looks like you have a Ph.D. in Tranny-ology
09:02 <@Dolemite> It's clear and looks like it'll be sunny today
09:03 < ware> got me a $500 tranny and they are going to deliver it!
09:03 <@Dolemite> not that I'll see any of that since I'll be in a session from 9a-3p today
09:03 <+MaxieZ> What school offers a doctorate in tranny-ology?
09:03 <@Dolemite> ware : Are you going to DEFCON this year?
09:03 < ware> i dont think ill have the moolah
09:03 <@Dolemite> sucker
09:04 < ware> and if i dont plan it 2 months in advance i wont be going
09:04 <@Dolemite> I'm going to make SkyDog do an extra day and go to Zion National Park
09:04 <@ladymerlin> waht day?
09:04 <@ladymerlin> on monday?
09:04 <@Dolemite> I need to coordinate that with yous guys
09:04 <@Dolemite> I didn't know if you'd rather go a day early or stay a day later
09:04 <@ladymerlin> we go thursday to monday
09:05 <@Dolemite> Well you may have to go Wed-Mon or Thu-Tue
09:05 <@ladymerlin> dont think we can
09:05 <@Dolemite> Then I guess you suck
09:05 <@ladymerlin> i think skydog gets thursday fri and mondy
09:05 <@Dolemite> He gets 3 weeks of vacation per year
09:06 <@ladymerlin> yeah but thats no vacation days
09:06 <@ladymerlin> not
09:06 <@ladymerlin> thats his alloted con days
09:07 <@Dolemite> I think you should let him talk for himself on this
09:07 <@ladymerlin> heh
09:08 <@Dolemite> anyway, time to go get some breakfast
09:08 <@Dolemite> later, kids
09:10 < ware> ciao
09:10 < ware> win big munyz
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09:34 <@aestetix> HOPE got pwned
09:34 <@aestetix> That's funny as shit.
09:35 < ware> hehe
09:35 <@someninjaserver> ???
09:35 < ware> obama mammas
09:35 <+MaxieZ> yeah but 2600 is the one who got hacked...not obama
09:36 <@aestetix> www.hope.net
09:36 < ware> i dont get the reference either
09:36 < ware> unless a hope admin is a loud obama supporter
09:37 <+MaxieZ> well hope.net was still about the con this morning.
09:37 <+MaxieZ> So then it got changed to be all about obama.
09:37 <@someninjaserver> haha
09:38 <@aestetix> I'm still trying to figure out whether it's a hack or an early april fool's joke.
09:39 <+MaxieZ> You think they'd take down the site for their con over an April fool's day joke?
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09:40 <+MaxieZ> That's a serious question :)
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09:43 <@aestetix> MaxieZ: have you met Emmanuel? He's a freak.
09:43 <@aestetix> Nobody can figure him out.
09:43 <@Shadow404> hes very quiet
09:44 <@Shadow404> talked to him with jonnyx
09:44 <+MaxieZ> yeah I have.
09:44 <@Shadow404> hes definantly out there
09:44 <+MaxieZ> We stayed up late at PN4 chatting.
09:44 <@Shadow404> nice
09:44 <@Shadow404> how come he doesnt come to pns now?
09:44 <+MaxieZ> I'm not sure if he would or not.
09:44 <+MaxieZ> He was just pimping freedom downtime.
09:44 <@Shadow404> ah
09:49 <@polerin> $pn4 === 'Pure Win'
09:49 <+MaxieZ> Any word on when OZ4 videos are coming?  (not trying to pressure..just curious)
09:49 <@aestetix> Fuck you. Get the 0Z videso out soon or I step on the piggie.
09:50 <@aestetix> Nobody likes a pig that wears footprints.
09:50 <+MaxieZ> I've been screwing around with JS and I can't figure out how Acidus is doing the remote calls of the originating domain.
09:50 <@polerin> MaxieZ: what what?
09:50 <+MaxieZ> s/s of the/s off the/
09:50 <@polerin> oh
09:50 <@polerin> you can call, you just can't see the data
09:51 <@polerin> unless he's found something new
09:51 <@polerin> MaxieZ: bin your code and I'll take a peek at it if you want
09:51 <+MaxieZ> If I'm on site A and I call site B with a XMLHttpRequest I get permission denied.
09:52 <+MaxieZ> I'm sure he's using something else.
09:52 <+MaxieZ> polerin: I have no code, but just playing around with it.
09:52 <+MaxieZ> I've never had much use for JS, but Acidus showed us what fun it can be.
09:52 <@polerin> JS is actually really really really powerful
09:52 <+MaxieZ> yep.
09:53 <@polerin> it's got a bad rep and is still in it's infancy by way of best practices
09:53 <@polerin> which leads to monstrosities of frameworks like scriptalicious
09:53 <@aestetix> Agreedd.
09:53  * aestetix pops in
09:54 <@aestetix> MaxieZ: what attack are you trying?
09:54 <@polerin> and XMLHttpRequest should work across domains still btw :P
09:54 <+MaxieZ> I'm not disagreeing.
09:54 <@polerin> you've got SOME code, lemmie peak at it
09:54 <+MaxieZ> I'm just trying to do a xmlrequest and have it pull up yahoo.
09:54 <@polerin> and I'll give you a hand
09:54 <@polerin> hehe
09:54 <@aestetix> Hmm. Does AJAX get around XFS detection?
09:54 <+MaxieZ> ok Polerin...just a sec.
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09:54 <@aestetix> There is code you can use to detect whether the site is encapsulated in a frame.
09:55 <@aestetix> I'm not sure about within a div though.
09:55 <@polerin> XFS?
09:55 <@aestetix> At least, I assume you're using a div.
09:55 <@aestetix> Cross Frame Scripting
09:55 <@polerin> oh
09:55 <+MaxieZ> http://maxiez.com/js/yahooclone.html
09:56  * aestetix tries to remember
09:57 <@aestetix> I don't know if you can just do a document.write with that.
09:57 <@aestetix> Unless billy did it.
09:57 <+MaxieZ> http://maxiez.com/js/maxieclone.html ;)
09:57 <@polerin> is the yahoo his or yours?
09:57 <+MaxieZ> yeah...that's my point.  I'm probably doing it wrong.
09:57 <+MaxieZ> mine.
09:57 <@polerin> yeah, my understanding is that you can do the request, you just can't see the data
09:57 <@aestetix> Wait, going to the second url just redirected me to your site.
09:58 <@polerin> (I meen, there's a way but i'm not saying how)
09:58 <+MaxieZ> The error says I can't do the open
09:58 <@aestetix> polerin: no, that's right... I ran into that before.
09:58 <+MaxieZ> aestetix: no, the second one made a connection to my site, and dumped the output.
09:58 <+MaxieZ> Which I could modify along the way ;)
09:58 <+MaxieZ> but I'm just trying to learn this stuff.
09:59 <@aestetix> MaxieZ: then why did the URL change?
09:59 <+MaxieZ> It doesn't on mine.
09:59 <@aestetix> Interesting.
09:59 <@aestetix> Let me try again.
09:59 <@polerin> MaxieZ: the Cross domain xmlhttprequest is actually more interesting as a data extraction technique.  You can conceiviably load information and instructions back in, but it's not as easy
09:59 <@aestetix> dur I was typing the wrong url
09:59 <@polerin> but it's REALLY easy to scrape the page/cookies and send info across a domain for logging
10:01 <+MaxieZ> Well Acidus had a page load that contacted everyone and their brother.
10:01 <@aestetix> MaxieZ: can you run your xmlhttprequest open code in a try/catch statement?
10:01 <@aestetix> To find the exact error
10:01 <+MaxieZ> I see the exact error in firebug
10:02 <+MaxieZ> uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method XMLHttpRequest.open
10:02 <@aestetix> Why did you get permission denied?
10:02 <+MaxieZ> Well I assume it's because it's offsite.
10:02 <+MaxieZ> The only difference between maxieclone and yahooclone is the src url.
10:03 <@aestetix> Interesting. I've never had a problem with that.
10:03 <@aestetix> Also, don't a lot of xml importers work like that?
10:03 <@aestetix> Since it's just making an HTTP GET request.... and returning the data...
10:05 <@polerin> no
10:05 <@polerin> offsite :)
10:05 <@polerin> all of those are onsite
10:06 <+MaxieZ> Well I know you can do a src offsite.
10:06 <+MaxieZ> I probably should just buy the book :)
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10:20 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:21 < ware> m0w nen
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10:55 <+MaxieZ> Neoteric: you see hope.net yet?
10:59 < ware> he did it lol
11:01 <@SkyDog_> root
11:01 <@SkyDog_> fuck.
11:02 <@oddball> interesting password
11:02 <@SkyDog_> Yes.
11:02 <+MaxieZ> Personally, I see flaws in it.
11:02 <@SkyDog_> yo uwould.
11:03 < ware> ROFL
11:03 <@polerin> based on a dictionary word
11:03 <@polerin> and it's too short ;P
11:04 < ware> 11:03 <ware> ghost skydog root
11:04 < ware> 11:03 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password Incorrect
11:04 <@SkyDog_> Not form what I hear.
11:04 < ware> *dang*
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11:04 <+MaxieZ> SkyDog_: damn
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11:04 <+MaxieZ> about the short comment, not the kick :)
11:04 < ware> ;)
11:04 <@SkyDog_> Anyway....
11:05  * ware cracks the whip on everyone
11:05 < ware> back to work!
11:05 <@ziplock> work?
11:05 < ware> well... "work"
11:05 <@polerin> SkyDog_: i'm not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole.
11:05 <@ziplock> ahh
11:05  * oddball hits ware with Battle Spork(tm)
11:06 <@oddball> spork beats whip
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11:06  * ware rappels, turns into a bell, and squishes oddball 
11:07 < ware> so work put me in charge of a forklift upgrade for a client
11:07  * oddball is stunned by ware's lack of sense
11:07 < ware> *eep*
11:07 <@brimstone> Corydon76-lap: are you still planning to visit the stop after work?
11:07 <@Corydon76-lap> brimstone: can do
11:07 <@brimstone> excellent
11:07 <@Corydon76-lap> What time?
11:08 <@Corydon76-lap> ...since I'll probably need to follow somebody there
11:08 < ware> oddball: nethack reference?
11:08 <@oddball> ah
11:27 <@SkyDog_> I think it's time to mosey on over for lunch.
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11:28 <@ladymerlin> bring me soem lunch
11:39 <@Shadow404> ware: nethack rules
11:41 < Curbob> funny they changed the hope.net, it was just forwarding to H.O.P.E but now, that's funny
11:43 <@I-MOD> hah
11:44 <@I-MOD> since i have JS blocked, it looks normal
11:45 < ware> alert('How do you expect to "learn more" if you dont tell us who you are?');  } else {	
11:45 < ware> hehe
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11:52 <@Corydon76-lap> Seems funny that the guy thought that that site was actually Obama's
11:53 < ware> or you missed the xss on http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
11:54 <@Corydon76-lap> I must've... when was that?
11:54 < Curbob> right, and since I hadn't been to either i had no idea, till looking deeper into it
11:55 < ware> err index.html
11:55 < ware> if the cookies set you go past it
11:56  * brimstone tosses his cookies
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11:59 < ware> hammer
12:00 < m-c> Meeting on Friday?
12:00 < ware> alwayz
12:00 < m-c> Topic?  Trying to convince someone to go.
12:01 <+MaxieZ> naked women
12:01 < m-c> Got a guy who does circuit bending that I am trying to get interested in your group.
12:01 < ware> not sure we have a speaker / presentor for this weeks meeting
12:01 < ware> im assuming youre talking about nash2600
12:02 < m-c> Yeap
12:02 < m-c> Starts at 5?  or 6?
12:02 < m-c> Same building as last time, or down at JJs?
12:02 < ware> 6 PM at the Vanderbilt University Hill Center, Room 151, 1231 18th Avenue South (http://www.nashville2600.org)
12:03 < m-c> Awesomeness.  Thanks
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12:03 < ware> \m/
12:07 <@nachoguy> gar, drop asterisk 1.4.19 , drop damn you!
12:08 <@I-MOD> ?
12:08 <@I-MOD> having issues nachoguy?
12:11 <@nachoguy> Always
12:12 <@I-MOD> nachoguy, talking to tech support and wanting the problem to replicate itself?
12:12 <@nachoguy> So I'm trying to wait for 1.4.19, and then put a fresh build on a pbx at one of our branch offices
12:12 <@nachoguy> the problem is, that the more debugging I turn on, the faster the pbx dies.
12:12 <@I-MOD> eww
12:12 <@nachoguy> it's on 1.4.17 now, and it's been flaky since the upgrade from 1.4.10
12:13 <@I-MOD> core dump?
12:13 <@nachoguy> can't go back to 1.4.10, as unattended transfers didn't work properly in 1.4.10, and attended transfers aren't properly tracked in queuemetrics
12:13 <@nachoguy> well, I'm planning on enabling that after I up to 1.4.19
12:14 <@Shadow404> so your stuck between a rock and a hard place
12:14 <@nachoguy> oh yeah
12:14 <@Corydon76-lap> You could upgrade to 1.4 SVN
12:14  * brimstone <3 1.4 branch
12:15 <@I-MOD> indeed
12:15 <@Corydon76-lap> 1.4 SVN is what will become 1.4.19
12:15 <@nachoguy> yeah, I'm sure that svn is better than the CVS checkout from back in the day, but I'm a bit hesitant to use a non release version
12:16 <@nachoguy> as the first tech support I get from "I'm running SVN/cvs 23423252" is "use a stable release"
12:16 <@Corydon76-lap> Releases are literally snapshots of that branch
12:16 <@nachoguy> right
12:16 <@Corydon76-lap> I'm not telling you to run trunk
12:16 <@nachoguy> but there is some soft of freeze process, right?
12:16 <@brimstone> i'm telling you to run trunk
12:16 <@brimstone> trunk is like 1.6
12:17 <@brimstone> why wait for 1.4.19 when you could have 1.6?
12:17 <@Corydon76-lap> Trunk will become 1.6.1
12:17 <@brimstone> even better!
12:17 <@Corydon76-lap> since 1.6.0 is already feature-frozen
12:19 <@nachoguy> brimstone: because some of the cowboy developers here have some duct tape things that they use that will fall to shit when we migrate.  And I'm trying to get the system stable so I can plan out how to use some of 1.6's features
12:20 <@nachoguy> I want to get there some day, but not in a frenzy
12:20 <@brimstone> the solution for duct tape things? more duct tape!
12:20 <@Corydon76-lap> nachoguy: we've fixed a ton of crash bugs since 1.4.18
12:20 <@brimstone> (or WD-40)
12:20 <@nachoguy> corydon76-lap, I know, I've been reading changelogs
12:21 <@Corydon76-lap> nachoguy: 1.4 branch isn't perfect, but it's better than 1.4.18 and 1.4.17
12:21 <@nachoguy> the other thing we're trying to do is build packages so we can deploy the same release and patchset to all of our nodes
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12:21 <@nachoguy> and that's not going so hot, or at least, that's what I hear from one of my admins
12:21 <@Corydon76-lap> Well, pick a revision number
12:22 <@nachoguy> asterisk in a package is easy, apparently libpri+zaptel+wanrouter, not so much
12:22 <@nachoguy> the other nice thing about packages is when we run into an issue, we have the option of cleanly falling back
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12:23 <@nachoguy> we're getting there though. There have been a lot less retarded issues that we've had to deal with lately
12:23 <@nachoguy> once I get that branch pbx cleaned up, we can actually work on long term planning
12:26 <@nachoguy> after that, it's down to strangling the inhouse developers
12:26 <@nachoguy> "well, I know it's a hack and might cause issues on system x, but really, it's not my problem.  I might fix it later"
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12:28 <@I-MOD> nachoguy, if it's not stable, remove the feature and blame it on the hackjob devs for crashing the phone system :D
12:29 <@nachoguy> I run several systems.  right now I have two finiky systems.
12:29 <@nachoguy> one the devs don't touch, that's the one I really need to update/fix
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12:31 <@nachoguy> the other, I can't disable their feature, as it takes 4-5 days to spiral to death , and the business folks aren't willing to go a week with out it
12:31 <@nachoguy> and that one, I can have down time, so restart after hours, while not a great solution, is usable.
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12:32 <@nachoguy> the stuff that they do that I can easily prove is their fault, I do make sure people know where the instability cmes from
12:32 <@nachoguy> it's still somehow up to me to fix it
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12:36 <@I-MOD> :/
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12:38 <@nachoguy> anyway, don't take my bitching as some sort of anti-asterisk rant.  I love asterisk, I hate dealing with unrealistic demands and half baked ideas tossed into production by people that don't know/care how the system works
12:39 <@I-MOD> yeah, i understand
12:40 <@Mirage> SkyDog_: w00f
12:40 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: how's the consortium coming along
12:51  * polerin is glad she doesn't need anything REALLY odd yet from *
12:52 <@ShadowHntr> lol polerin
12:52 <@ShadowHntr> i'm trying to see about getting yellow dog linux installed on a beige Power Mac G3
12:53 <@ShadowHntr> then i could use that as an asterisk server.
13:03 <@SkyDog_> ShadowHntr: It's coming along rather well.
13:04 <@SkyDog_> We should have a 400 Amp service by this saturday, if not the first of next week.
13:05 <@ShadowHntr> awesome.
13:27 <@Neoteric> http://www.powermeterstore.com/p4724/eml_2020h.php
13:28 < Curbob> Using the free RTL1200 Windows reporting software and USB cable, you can broadcast energy use data to your PC - in real time! .. wireless would be nice
13:34 <@ShadowHntr> man i almost read that as it would broadcast energy to your pc
13:34 <@ShadowHntr> lol
13:34 <@ShadowHntr> :)
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13:57 < Curbob> these kick ass http://album.textfiles.com/index.cgi?d=2008.01.CALIFORNIA&id=IMG_6375.JPG I may need a couple for my game room
13:57 <@ShadowHntr> those demo intros?
13:58 < Curbob> asci printed in lightboxes
13:58 <@ShadowHntr> from demo intros?
13:58 <@ShadowHntr> :)
13:58 <@ShadowHntr> yeah pretty damn cool
13:58 < Curbob> sorry yep
13:58 <@ShadowHntr> i'm a fan of the demoscene =)
13:59 < Curbob> they'd be easy to make also, I guess i'd maybe write and ask permission (but not like i'd sell them) just for my own use
13:59 <+scort> no ShadowHntr
14:00 <@ShadowHntr> ?
14:00 < Curbob> their not from the demo intros?
14:00 <@critch> Curbob: that is ANSI not ASCII
14:00 < Curbob> you are correct
14:00 <@critch> Looks like old BBS art.
14:00 <@ShadowHntr> critch: i saw that mistake but i knew what he meant
14:00 <@ShadowHntr> :)
14:01 < Curbob> same here I like Ansi but some of the ASCII is cool also
14:01 <@critch> Further to point out the BBS nature, look at the bottom of the first image when in full size, the number of the BBS with area code is visible.
14:02 < Curbob> I like that, I'd leave the bbs #'s (god I remember spending so much dialing bbs's
14:02 <@critch> same here
14:03 < Curbob> my wife would love this on a wall (not)
14:03 <@critch> I still remember abusing the dialin terminals at Vandy to get around some of the speed limitations or calling zones for BBSes in nashville.
14:04 <@critch> One of my favorite local BBSs went to 2400 or better. I only had a 300 and no way of upgrading. So I bounced off of vandy and then dialed back out with their faster modems
14:05 <+scort> uber pwnd
14:05 < Curbob> I traded a guy a 19200 modem for a SoundBlaster, he asked if I was a pirate, I said yes (i had no idea) and so I was on my first pirate BBS
14:05 <@critch> more fun was dialing the hendersonville BBSs via vandy because I lived in Murfreesboro. It was free to call Nashville but not H'ville. So vandy did it for me.
14:06 < Curbob> nice, i went to the 19200 from a 2400 and thought I was the shit
14:06 < Curbob> i'm guessing it was about 1989 or so.. maybe off a few
14:07 <@critch> Curbob: I went 2400 to 64k, when I could finally spend the money on a modem, I bought a ISDN line.
14:07 < Curbob> i actually worked at an ISP in 1995 and was given a ISDN, loved it
14:07 <@critch> Local?
14:08 < Curbob> yes
14:08 <@critch> Hmm, Telalink?
14:08 < Curbob> but it was 128 not 64 lol
14:08 < Curbob> no local in Peoria, IL
14:08 <@critch> ahh.
14:08 <@critch> I was on a ISP that had ISDN, but he had a 64k link up, and I was the other 64K link. Ran out of a guys house.
14:09 < Curbob> 128 in '95 I thought I had the bat cave!
14:09 < Curbob> funny
14:09 <@critch> Later I went to another ISP with ISDN, they had better capacity, but used consumer TAs so we where unlikely to get 2B bonding to work.
14:10 <@critch> Curbob: so did you have the motorola TA?
14:10 <@ShadowHntr> i wanted ISDN back then
14:10 <@ShadowHntr> PRI level
14:10 <@ShadowHntr> but too damn expensive from US West back then
14:10 < Curbob> yes and we put everyone on it
14:11 <@critch> Curbob: I still have my motorola. I bought mine before marketing renamed it. Mine is a TA210, later they were called the Bitsurfer and BitsurferPro.
14:12 < Curbob> can't remember which model, but there weren't tons that you could just by at a store at that time :)
14:12 <@ShadowHntr> now i have like two USR external modems on my desk lol
14:12 <@critch> right, I had to order mine. Cost like $550 then
14:13 < Curbob> I had to buy an external lately off ebay, modem fried in  my old tivo
14:14 <@critch> I have 3 TiVo Series 1 machines at my house.
14:14 <@critch> all sitting in the closet
14:14 < Curbob> for likr 4 years after i quit that job I had a computer sitting on their internal backbone, then they found it :)
14:14 < Curbob> I had one with lifetime sub, but I finally updated to series 2 when they allowed me to move the lifetime sub to it
14:15 < Curbob> so now I can get their spam on my screen while in their menus
14:17 < Curbob> http://www.sixteencolors.net has all the demo intros online to view
14:19 <@ShadowHntr> scene.org
14:19 <@ShadowHntr> :)
14:30 <@SkyDog_> wontonjoe: You around?
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14:49 <@dc0de> fack
14:49 <@I-MOD> something explode in your domain?
14:51 <@dc0de> I-MOD; sorta... my wife's grandfather is in hospital, and not looking good.
14:51 <@dc0de> Lung Cancer has returned... with a vengeance.
14:51 <@dc0de> his prognosis is less than 2 weeks.
14:52 <@nachoguy> yikes
14:52 <@SkyDog_> Ouch.
14:52 <@SkyDog_> Sorry to hear man.
14:52 <@nachoguy> sorry to hear it
14:53 <@dc0de> yeah, he's a great guy too, he's in his late 90's, and was full of life...
14:53 <@dc0de> at 82, he took up skydiving...
14:53 <@dc0de> just for the "fun" of it.
14:53 <@aestetix> word
14:53 <@aestetix> dc0de: damn that's awesome
14:54 <@aestetix> not that he's inhos, but the skydiving etc
14:54 <+MaxieZ> dc0de: sorry to hear that.
14:54 <@dc0de> aestetix; gotcha...
14:54 <@dc0de> yeah, my wife is distraught.
14:54 <@dc0de> he was a HUGE influence on her life growing up...
15:07 <@ziplock> sorry, man
15:07 <@dc0de> thanks everyone...
15:08 <@I-MOD> well, that's a giant pile of suck
15:08 <@dc0de> indeed...
15:09 <@dc0de> so I'm going to be working from home for about 5-6 days, while my wife flies to Upstate NY, to visit.
15:09 <@dc0de> and I'm going to be killing children.
15:09 <@I-MOD> aggressive prostate cancer got my grandfather a couple months back
15:10 <@dc0de> ouch.
15:11 < Curbob> dc0de: we'll need a kid head count in 6 days just to make sure none were lost or sold :)
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15:13 <@dc0de> Curbob; nope... I'm sellin' 'em.
15:13 < Curbob> :/
15:13 <@dc0de> you wanna start the bidding?
15:13 < Curbob> NO! wife is already talking that stuff! AAaaaaaahhhhhhhh
15:14 <@dc0de> hey, I have the best birth control EVA! take my kids for a weekend...
15:14 < Curbob> D'oH
15:14 <@dc0de> seriously... it works...
15:14 <@dc0de> ask Shadow404
15:15 < Curbob> any kids would work for me :)
15:15 < Curbob> funny
15:15 <@I-MOD> nice.....
15:15 <@aestetix> make sure you take Catonic's kid
15:16  * poiupoiu wants some baby-back ribs
15:16 <@aestetix> dc0de: your birth control is your wife?
15:16 <@poiupoiu> too dark?
15:16 < Curbob> bad
15:16 < Curbob> lol
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15:21 <@aestetix> Man
15:21 <@aestetix> I went clothes shopping last thursday
15:21 <@aestetix> I think I am wearing the nicest shirt I have ever owned
15:22 < Curbob> will Mirc connect to 2 different servers at once? and if you're about to tell me not to use mirc, then what for windowz? :)
15:23 <@aestetix> the win32 port of irssi
15:23 <@SkyDog_> aestetix: You have a decent job now. That shirt will soon become the cheapest.
15:23  * Curbob nods to skydog!
15:23 <@poiupoiu> /server -m irc.server.name.here
15:23 < Curbob> thanks
15:23 <@poiupoiu> welcome
15:23 <@aestetix> who here is going to notacon?
15:24 < Curbob> I'm notagoin
15:24 <@SkyDog_> I need a break. We need to work it next year so that OZ, CarolinaCon, and notacon are spaced out more.
15:24 <@SkyDog_> I wanna go to them all, but I am bushed!
15:24 <@aestetix> SkyDog_: did you go to CarolinaCon?
15:25 < Curbob> i agree, i'm tired
15:25 < Curbob> 2 cons in 2 weeks kill me, to much drinking
15:25 <@aestetix> you know
15:25 <@aestetix> You can always not drink
15:25 < Curbob> hahahahahaha.. oh?
15:25 <@poiupoiu> not drink at a con?
15:25 <@aestetix> no I'm just talking shit
15:25 <@poiupoiu> you speak LIES!!!
15:26 < Curbob> lol
15:26 <@aestetix> I'm sure there are pix of me from phreaknic I never want on the internet
15:26 <@aestetix> Something about a paintball mask and a flower comes to mind
15:26 <@SkyDog_> Heh.
15:26 <@poiupoiu> i really don't have the funds to take some time offa work/school and get a hotel room and such
15:27  * poiupoiu sees the light at the end of the tunnel called "Bachelor's Degree"
15:27 <@aestetix> poiupoiu: just do what I used to do
15:27 <@aestetix> get a shitty job and work at it until you have enough money to go to the con
15:27 <@aestetix> then walk off the job
15:27 <@poiupoiu> if things go well, I could graduate in the summer of 2009
15:27 <@poiupoiu> eh, my job may not be that good, but it pays decently for a college kid
15:28 <@poiupoiu> at least i think
15:28 <@Corydon76-lap> poiupoiu: I have a standing invitation for pretty boys to share my room, no cost
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15:28 <@I-MOD> i would go to notacon, cept i have to work IEEE's SoutheastCon 2008 since it's being hosted in HSV
15:28 <@poiupoiu> damnit, it's this wekeend , isn't?
15:28 <@I-MOD> yep
15:28  * poiupoiu is working that as well as another competition this weekned
15:28 <@poiupoiu> *weekend
15:29 <@I-MOD> what else are you doing this weekend?
15:29 <@poiupoiu> NASA's Moon Buggy Race
15:29 <@aestetix> poiupoiu: you do not want to know my job history
15:29 <@poiupoiu> at the MSFC
15:29 <@poiupoiu> aestetix, i'll tak eyour word for it
15:29 <@aestetix> I will simply say I had to clean bathrooms at a gas station in missouri for a couple weeks to save enough gas money to drive to Baltimore.
15:30 <@poiupoiu> ... wow, that's really REALLY shitty
15:30 <@poiupoiu> and Corydon76-lap i appreciate the offer, but i'll have to pass
15:31 <@aestetix> like I said
15:31 < Curbob> lol
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15:36 <@aestetix> Has anyone read the SC statment about RealID?
15:43 <@ShadowHntr> i want to join the IEEE
15:43 <@Corydon76-lap> poiupoiu: I can't imagine why
15:44 < Curbob> so I notice that a company across the hall from ours that does sidekick and cell phone programming was just bought by microsoft.. hummm wonder what that means..
15:51  * I-MOD averts his eyes so as not to be infected
15:51 <@I-MOD> it seems Curbob is already lost
15:51 < Curbob> they're coming to get me
15:51 <@I-MOD> avenge his loss with firey napalm!
15:52 < Curbob> the company has the coolest name also, danger inc.
15:52 <@I-MOD> heh
15:53 < Curbob> now is it Danger! microsoft inc? or...
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15:59 < R3d2Dawn> So how is everyone this fine and glorious day?
15:59 < R3d2Dawn> :)
15:59 <@poiupoiu> i'm in class
15:59 <@poiupoiu> how're you R3d2Dawn ?
15:59 < Curbob> shhh.. they're all sleeping
15:59  * R3d2Dawn wispering..I will try and be quite
15:59 < Curbob> ;)
15:59 < R3d2Dawn> I am good...I think
15:59 < banglarry> Mirage: you around?
16:00 < R3d2Dawn> I am around somewhere
16:00 < Curbob> woohoo time to go home (giving the boss 5 minutes to get to his car :) )
16:00 <@poiupoiu> whooo note time!
16:01 < R3d2Dawn> are you not the boss
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16:01 < Curbob> i wish
16:01 <@rhia> wonder if the storms will make it to you guys
16:01 < Curbob> if I were I'd have to do more work :)
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16:02 <@polerin> but untill you seen me, trust me, you ain't seen bouncin back
16:02 <@polerin> </random lyric>
16:02 < notlarry> ok, according to the tests I DON'T have the flu, however
16:02 < notlarry> according the the blood tests my body thinks I have the flu
16:03 < Curbob> that's a bit strange
16:03 < R3d2Dawn> Curbob...well why are you not...You provide a service to the company right?
16:03 < Curbob> i think i do
16:03 <@critch> polerin: XML error: No open tag for </random>, expected = after "lyric"
16:03 < R3d2Dawn> lol
16:04 < R3d2Dawn> If you do work for them, then you are providing a service
16:04 < R3d2Dawn> Their for you are the Boss
16:04 < Curbob> only been here 6 months, and they asked if I could learn to program .net I said yes, they hired me..
16:05  * Curbob looks at some BAD code!
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16:05 < R3d2Dawn> What company was this
16:05 < R3d2Dawn> I will learn code for work
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16:05 < Curbob> that's what I figured and vb.net is so far pretty easy
16:06 < Curbob> so stay here a year or so and then get a real programming job :)
16:06 < R3d2Dawn> yeah...thats the way to think
16:06 < Curbob> if I like programming still then
16:06 < R3d2Dawn> If you like challenges...
16:06 < Curbob> always
16:06 < R3d2Dawn> What did you start off doing for them...
16:07 < Curbob> that's it they hired me with no knowledge of .net hahaha
16:07 < R3d2Dawn> Oh..
16:07  * R3d2Dawn scratching head
16:08 < Curbob> I did computer work for the presidents wife, she pushed to get me hired
16:08 < R3d2Dawn> Oh....so what kind of computer work did you do for the presidents wife....
16:08 < Curbob> i was tired of years of tech support and them 5 years of sysadmin so now time for something different
16:09 < Curbob> just fixed their home network, easy stuff
16:09 < R3d2Dawn> thats one way in then
16:09 < Curbob> it's always who you know, not what you know!
16:09 < R3d2Dawn> I want to learn and do programming work, been teaching my self here at home
16:10 < R3d2Dawn> So are they sending you too a class or teaching you inhouse
16:10 < Curbob> i did luck out, it's hard to get a programming job without exp.. but try some little 18 person place
16:11 < Curbob> I'm learning on my own just here at work
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16:11 < Curbob> so they are paying me daily to learn it
16:11 < Curbob> and talk on irc
16:12 < R3d2Dawn> Damn..You are lucky..
16:12 < Curbob> i told my boss I was taking friday off to run carolinacon, he said take a professional development day since i'd learn things there
16:12 <@critch> Curbob: what are you learning though?
16:12 < Curbob> vb.net
16:12 < Curbob> visual studio 2005
16:12 <@critch> yuck
16:12 < Curbob> and MSSQL
16:13 < Curbob> yuck, but easy to learn and many places use it
16:13 < R3d2Dawn> Hey, you live in the Nashville area?
16:13 <@critch> and many places will make you pull hair out dealing with crap
16:13 < Curbob> nope ATL
16:13 < R3d2Dawn> Hmm, MS is having one of their seminars on VB right now
16:13 < Curbob> very true critch
16:14 < R3d2Dawn> I am attending one on May 1st for the new Visual Studio 2008
16:14 < R3d2Dawn> I will also get a free copy of it too
16:14 < Curbob> i bitch about MS but Visual Studio is nice, you can program in like 5 different langs and they all can work together once compiled  (yes the compile part sucks but..)
16:15  * critch remembers those promises of free software back in the day. Trash half working crap with time limits.
16:15 < Curbob> lol
16:15 <@critch> Curbob: why would I care about all those different languages?
16:16 <@critch> For a project, you are likely to use 1, maybe 2 if there is a reason for someone to dip down into C.
16:16 < Curbob> well if I knew vb and you knew C++ we can still work on the same project together..  personally, you probably dont :)
16:16 < ware> you guys listen to any podcasts regularly?
16:16 <@critch> Curbob: you could do that before .net, you also can do that with most any language as the underlying core is either C++ or C
16:16 < Curbob> i did in 2006 but not anymore lol
16:17 < R3d2Dawn> They will have one in Atl on April 29th
16:17 < R3d2Dawn> if you want to attend
16:17 < R3d2Dawn> It would give you that extra edge
16:17 < Curbob> yeah i know.. but in truth it's just easy, which yes that also gets us introuble
16:17 <@critch> Curbob: consider this, any windows apps we are working on now are ruby with libglade.
16:18 < R3d2Dawn> You will also get a free copy of Visual Studio 2008
16:18 < Curbob> sweet :)
16:18 < R3d2Dawn> possibly Windows Server 2008 and SQL Server 2008
16:18 < R3d2Dawn> I know for sure the Visual Studio
16:18 < Curbob> ruby and such can do sooo much more
16:18 < R3d2Dawn> here is the link to register
16:18 < R3d2Dawn> http://www.microsoft.com/heroeshappenhere/register/default.mspx
16:18 < Curbob> but I need to start somewhere, but I also do alot of php
16:18 < Curbob> thanks for the link
16:19 < R3d2Dawn> I use to go to these kinds of events all the time and my old company would pay for my trip
16:19 < R3d2Dawn> just scroll down to April 29th and you can register for that one
16:19 <@critch> Curbob: when you use glade, you get the same functionality as VB, specifically a graphical way to lay out your widgets and then tell the widgets what callbacks to use. Then you just jump over to your text editor and start writing the code to answer the widgets.
16:19 < R3d2Dawn> yeah you get a copy of all 3 products
16:20 < R3d2Dawn> If you need some ebooks on .Net let me know or any other languages
16:20 <@critch> Curbob: nice bit of using libglade, you can use the same XML window description with any language that has bindings for libglade.
16:20 < Curbob> wow critch that's nice working with the design and then almost like the code behind, i'll have to check it out more
16:21 < Curbob> r3d2Dawn, is it free?
16:22 <@ShadowHntr> the nashville one is may 1
16:22 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.microsoft.com/heroeshappenhere/events/Nashville/default.mspx
16:23 < R3d2Dawn> yeah thats the one I am going too
16:23 < R3d2Dawn> this is the direct link for the ATL one
16:23 < R3d2Dawn> https://microsoft.crgevents.com/heroeshappenhere/Register/Login/Atlanta.aspx
16:24 < R3d2Dawn> actually here is the event description for the Atlanta one
16:24 < R3d2Dawn> http://www.microsoft.com/heroeshappenhere/events/Atlanta/default.mspx
16:25 < Curbob> thanks
16:26 <@aestetix> Ok.
16:26 <@aestetix> I seriously need to curb this motherfucker.
16:26 <@aestetix> His project doesn't work. He wants me to test it. I have sent him information on why it doesn't work, including a screenshot.
16:27 <@aestetix> Now he wants a phone call with additional steps to verify it doesn't work.
16:27 < Curbob> nice
16:27 <@aestetix> ok look you cocksucking dog-biting indian hindu fuck
16:28 <@aestetix> I don't have time to waste with your stupid little fake business games
16:28 < Curbob> hhaaha
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16:29 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix: send him an encrypted email.  When he complains that he can't read it, ask him to send you a screenshot.
16:29 <@Corydon76-lap> Then ask him to send you a detailed list of steps on how he reproduces not being able to read the email
16:29 < R3d2Dawn> lol
16:30 < R3d2Dawn> Their you go
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17:17 <@Dolemite> be0tches!
17:21 <@Dolemite> score:  Las Vegas +$80   Dolemite -$80
17:22 <@brimstone> you come back with another kid this time too?
17:22 <@Dolemite> nope
17:23 <@Dolemite> I still have 5 more days to recoup / lose more
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17:30 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite: how's Vegas - having fun?
17:31 <@ShadowHntr> :)
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17:34 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite: i managed to have a great time in vegas the one time i went... and spent the whole time in hospital. :(
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17:34 <@ShadowHntr> i want to go again and do it properly.
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18:09 <@someninjaserver> evening all
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18:35 < sdodson> Man, I look at Corydon76-dig's new profile photo in facebook and I get an ad for gay dating sites.
18:35 <@someninjaserver> haha
18:36 < sdodson> guess that shouldn't be that much of a surprise his profile lists liking men and women
18:42 <@ShadowHntr> lol
18:50 <@oddball>   
18:54 <@oddball> bah, bumped the keyboard
18:57  * someninjaserver bumps oddball back with the keyboard
19:01 <@oddball> I sent that keyboard into time out and grabbed another from the pile
19:01  * oddball has new color laser printer with duplexing!
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19:09 <@ShadowHntr> oddball: o_0
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> :D
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> i'd love to get a xerox phaser solid ink printer
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> :D
19:10 <@someninjaserver> they are pretty cool
19:10 <@oddball> It was my payment for setting up my mom's network
19:13 <@someninjaserver> the ink is pretty trippy in those solid ink printers
19:13 <@oddball> Costco had a HP 2605dn on sale for $300
19:13 <@oddball> at somepoint, I'll probably set it up as a stand-alone network device
19:14 <@unixfa1> a friend of mine had an old Phaser, that everytime powered on would print a very expensive 'test' page... kinda ruined my opinion of them :)
19:14 <@someninjaserver> haha
19:14 <@someninjaserver> this one did too
19:15 <@someninjaserver> the ink for those was expensive too
19:15 <@someninjaserver> the stuff felt like crayons
19:18 <@ShadowHntr> unixfa1: yikes
19:18 <@someninjaserver> unixfa1: we ended up hooking ours to a ups so that it wouldnt get turned off
19:20 <@unixfa1> wow, that must be a beefy UPS
19:20 <@juice> I am really disappointed with mythbusters episode I saw yesterday
19:21 <@juice> they tried making a static ball like was at pn and it was nowhere near the strength of the one at pn
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19:41 <@aestetix> ok can someone please explain this
19:41 <@aestetix> Why did DHS just ban IBM from federal contracts?
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19:56 < sdodson> Makes no sense as they're one of the vendors with the highest security classifications.
19:56 <@ShadowHntr> aestetix: link?
19:57 <@aestetix> It's on boingboing
19:57 <@ShadowHntr> hmmm... guess it hasn't made slashdot or digg yet.
19:57 <@ShadowHntr> thanks
19:58 <@ziplock> Without saying why, the Environmental Protection Agency suspends IBM's right to bid for contracts.
19:58 <@ziplock> http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/I/IBM_CONTRACT_BAN?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-03-31-16-16-41
19:59 <@ShadowHntr> http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3453925.
19:59 <@ShadowHntr> er
19:59 <@ShadowHntr> http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3453925
20:04 < sdodson> Apparently any of the featured videos on uk.youtube.com take you to rick rolling.
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20:40 <@aestetix> oh man this is gonna be fun if I can pull it off
20:46 <@ShadowHntr> ?
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20:48 < dasunt_> Back to being drunk!
20:49 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt_: w00h00 :)
20:49 <@aestetix> damnit
20:52 <@aestetix> I'm trying to register www.abortiontickl.es
20:52 <@aestetix> Fucking spaniards.
20:53 < JimShoe_> oh man that is a great domain
20:54 <@aestetix> I just can't read spanish
20:55 < JimShoe_> how much is it
20:56 <@aestetix> like 50 bucks
20:56 < JimShoe_> shit
20:56 <@aestetix> totally worth it
20:56 <@aestetix> I already nabbed rive.st
20:56 <@aestetix> so I have the email address ron#rive.st
20:56 <@aestetix> ron@rive.st
20:59 < JimShoe_> i was debating on spending $27 for a domain the other day, $50 is a lot
20:59 < JimShoe_> guess not when you compare it with how much i spent on fapp.com
20:59 < dasunt_> ShadowHntr: It is a plus.
20:59 < dasunt_> ShadowHntr: Harder to type though.
21:00 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt_: ?
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21:01 < dasunt_> Being drunk.
21:02 <@aestetix> dude
21:02 <@aestetix> it's the greatest tld ever
21:02 <@aestetix> money is meaningless in the face of beauty
21:03 < JimShoe_> true, maybe i should spend the $27
21:08 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt_: yes very true :D
21:08 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt_: share the wealth ;)
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21:16  * ShadowHntr is jammin' to Alanis Morissette - Crazy (MP3)
21:16 <@ShadowHntr> awesome track :D
21:23 < sdodson> If it's Alanis Morisette it's not jammin'. It's more like man hate'n
21:23 <@ShadowHntr> lol
21:24  * ShadowHntr is jammin' to Nobuo Uematsu - Cosmo Canyon (MP3)
21:24 <@mtown_nerd> mmmmm
21:24 <@mtown_nerd> <33333333333333 Nobuo
21:24 <@ShadowHntr> hell yeah
21:24 <@mtown_nerd> <333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 Black Mages
21:24 <@ShadowHntr> this is like my favorite track from FF7 soundtrack :D
21:24 <@mtown_nerd> :D
21:24 <@mtown_nerd> Eeee!
21:24 <@mtown_nerd> let me haev ur babies thx
21:24 <@ShadowHntr> lol
21:25  * ShadowHntr is jammin' to Yasunori Mitsuda - Battle with Magus (MP3)
21:25 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh... the classics.
21:25 <@ShadowHntr> :)
21:25 <@mtown_nerd> hehe
21:25 <@mtown_nerd> Chronotrigger = <3
21:27 <@mtown_nerd> hrmmz
21:27 <@ShadowHntr> mtown_nerd: have you made it to either the past two phreaknics?
21:27 <@mtown_nerd> I've listened to the Black Mages more than any other band, like, ever.  lol
21:27 <@ShadowHntr> not sure if i've met you
21:27 <@ShadowHntr> =)
21:27 <@mtown_nerd> I have not. :(
21:27 <@mtown_nerd> I should be at the next one, though. ":D
21:27 <@ShadowHntr> cool
21:27 <@ShadowHntr> i hope to be as well =)
21:28 <@ziplock> aestetix, I've got sneaks.in and pwnsauces.eu.....
21:29 <@mtown_nerd> lawlz
21:29 <@ShadowHntr> awesome vhosts for efnet ;)
21:29 <@aestetix> ShadowHntr: I have
21:29 <@aestetix> I've been to every phreaknic since 5
21:29  * Corydon76-dig has been to every PhreakNIC since 3
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21:30 <@ShadowHntr> aestetix: i believe it
21:30 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: of course you have... :)
21:30 <@aestetix> I still have yet to get laid at PhreakNIC though
21:30 <@aestetix> got close at PN6
21:30 <@ShadowHntr> aestetix: can't help ya there. remember we did the craigslist post?
21:30 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
21:30  * Corydon76-dig has gotten laid at least twice at PN
21:31 <@aestetix> both hands?
21:31 <@mtown_nerd> haha
21:31 <@mtown_nerd> Zing! :P
21:31 <@aestetix> mtown_nerd: you must be new
21:31 <@aestetix> wait, I'm new too
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21:31 <@Corydon76-dig> If you're counting my hands, I've gotten laid at every one...
21:31 <@ShadowHntr> don't wanna know.
21:31 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
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21:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, except for 3
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21:32 <@mtown_nerd> aestetix: I am. :)_
21:32 <@mtown_nerd> <--unixfag's bf
21:32 <@juice> bleah I hate all this wireless scanning software not supporting this cisco card
21:32 <@aestetix> I should go easy on the newbie.
21:32 <@mtown_nerd> plz dew.  :{
21:33 <@aestetix> ok that's just faggy
21:33 <@mtown_nerd> haha
21:33 <@mtown_nerd> I do try. :p
21:33 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: there'd be a reason for that...
21:33 < sdodson> aestetix: welcome back
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21:33 <@aestetix> sdodson: I had a personal request
21:33 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: I'm not the only guy in here who sucks cock anymore
21:34 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: I thought catonic left
21:34 <@juice> ouch
21:34 < sdodson> aestetix: Why does the EPA imply DHS?
21:34 <@aestetix> sdodson: I read the BoingBoing headline.
21:34 < JimShoe_> where do i find tv torents like extvefnet.org used to be
21:35 <@ShadowHntr> JimShoe_: tvnanny.org is a cool little aggregator
21:35 <@ShadowHntr> eztv.it
21:35 <@ShadowHntr> isohunt
21:35 <@ShadowHntr> ftw
21:35 <@ShadowHntr> :D
21:36 < JimShoe_> thanks
21:37 <@ShadowHntr> no prob
21:37 <@aestetix> Does anyone have Helvetica?
21:37 <@ShadowHntr> truetype or type 1
21:38 <@aestetix> truetype
21:38 <@ShadowHntr> lemme check
21:38 <@ShadowHntr> nope not me
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21:39 <@ShadowHntr> ms sans serif won't do the trick?
21:39 <@ShadowHntr> it shares many characteristics of helvetica
21:39 <@ShadowHntr> ia
21:41 <@aestetix> I guess that'll work
21:42 <@ShadowHntr> sorry googled and couldn't find a copy
21:42 <@ShadowHntr> :(
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22:07 <@aestetix> anyone compiled PEs on gcc?
22:08 < dasunt_> PE?
22:09 <@aestetix> portable executables
22:09 <@aestetix> I want a sample program to demonstrate some stuff
22:09 <@aestetix> win32 format
22:09 <@aestetix> I *really* don't wanna have to do this in a hex editor.
22:10 <@ShadowHntr> lol
22:10 <@ShadowHntr> ?
22:10 <@aestetix> If I can just write some simple C and port it to PE with gcc I will be happy
22:10 <@aestetix> It needs to run in windows, but I don't have a windows compiler
22:10 <@ShadowHntr> cygwin?
22:10 <+MxZBot> cygwin is available for Windows ;)
22:11 < sdodson> mingw ?
22:11 <@aestetix> Well here's the thing
22:11 <@aestetix> I want to compile a PE to use in ollydbg
22:11 <@aestetix> to demonstrate some things
22:11 <@aestetix> so running cygwin defeats the point
22:15 < dasunt_> Cross compiling.
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22:25 <@brimstone> any kernel ninjas awake?
22:28 < sdodson> neoteric and dagmar?
22:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Or you could just ask and see if anybody else might know
22:29 < sdodson> shhh, don't let him know how this whole community/internet thing works
22:29 <@brimstone> i apt-got the kernel source for the kernel i'm running, but i only need to build one module, not the whole tree
22:29 <@brimstone> there's some MODULE= make trick that'll do that right?
22:30 <@freakn> community?
22:30 <@freakn> like a prison community
22:30 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: are you my prison bitch?
22:31 <@freakn> I'm not gay, I just gotta get my lovin somehow in prison
22:31 <@freakn> crack makes it easier to pretend
22:31  * Corydon76-dig isn't gay, either
22:32 <@polerin> heh
22:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Bisexual, silly
22:33  * brimstone modprobes sdodson
22:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, the homoeroticism that exists in here...
22:39 < sdodson> http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4389927951.html maybe. I'm sure there's a better way.
22:43 <@dasunt> So I'm trying to automate windows XP updates.
22:43 <@dasunt> This is an interesting problem.
22:44 <@brimstone> isn't there provisions for that already?
22:44 <@dasunt> Kind of like how committing seppuku with a rusty butterknife is an interesting problem.
22:44 <@dasunt> But not as satisfying.
22:44 <@dasunt> brimstone: There are several.
22:44 <@dasunt> brimstone: My personal favorite is the example VBS on Microsoft's website.
22:45  * brimstone slowly points to windows update in sheer puzzlement
22:45 <@dasunt> Not only does it fail to install all the updates (even after adding in code to automatically reboot and log in automatically), some of the updates it attempts to install will break the automatic install for those updates.
22:45 <@brimstone> or Automatic Updates?
22:45 <@dasunt> Automatic Updates is not automated.
22:45 <@dasunt> <_<
22:46 <@brimstone> o.O
22:46 < sdodson> shifty eyes
22:46 <@dasunt> Here's automatic updates.
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22:47 <@dasunt> "Here's a bunch of shit to download."
22:47 <@dasunt> "Pardon me, do you really want to install Explorer x.y.z?"
22:47 <@dasunt> "Parfdon me, do you really agree to this EULA?"
22:47 <@brimstone> ah
22:47 <@dasunt> "Pardon me, do you want to know more about security holes in our POS software?"
22:47 <@brimstone> i've solved this problem before
22:47 <@dasunt> "Oh, time for a reboot.  Btw, run me again, I haven't fixed everything."
22:47 <@brimstone> but it's a lot to keep uptodate
22:48 <@dasunt> My current take on this task it to use the WindowsUpdate method in VBS to figure out what updates are needed, then install them manually from a shared network drive.
22:49 <@dasunt> Including having a small database to figure out what updates require what flags.
22:49 <@brimstone> huh, well, if you figure it out, let me know
22:49 <@dasunt> And by manually, I mean automatically, but to install them like I'm going to do them manually.
22:49 <@brimstone> i'd love to have something cache all the updates so i can update my nlite cd easier
22:49 <@dasunt> Heisse isn't too bad.
22:50 <@dasunt> If you haven't used that yet.
22:50 <@brimstone> i don't think i have, link?
22:53 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt: windows server update services
22:53 <@ShadowHntr> ftwe
22:53 <@ShadowHntr> ftw
22:53 <@ShadowHntr> :)
22:54 <@dasunt> ShadowHntr: Saves bandwidth, still requires reboots.
22:54 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh
22:54 <@dasunt> brimstone: http://www.heise.de/ct/projekte/offlineupdate/
22:54 <@brimstone> oh, heise, yes, i have tinkered with that
22:55 <@brimstone> heisse comes up with waay too many hits
22:56 <@dasunt> Right now, I've tried 3x heise (with reboots inbetween) + 2x windows vbs example script.
22:56 <@dasunt> That gets all but about 5 updates.
23:06 <@freakn> anyone know what this is on adult swim?
23:12 <@Evilpig> the april fools faggotry has begun
23:13 <@brimstone> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI
23:15 <@freakn> ah
23:16 <@freakn> i like how tv guide says aqua teen movie, last year this time they played the movie as a postge stamp in the corner
23:16 <@NotLarry> oh fuck, just what I need, april fools
23:19 <@Evilpig> old man you haven't seen my bear or my white hawkstrider yet
23:22 <@Evilpig> gg mal'ganis.  http://us.gorgonnash.info/   pvp server ftw
23:29 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: http://wowhead.com/?item=35513  <-- got that yesterday.  http://wowhead.com/?item=33809 <-- that earlier tonight
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23:50 <@someninjamaster>  haha thinkgeeks april fools stuff is up
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