--- Log opened Sat Mar 01 00:00:26 2008
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01:29 < Synx_hm> Any of you voip peeps up?
01:29 <+coil> asstricks is my middle name
01:29 <@brimstone> up is relative, what's youre question?
01:29 <@brimstone> *your
01:30 < Synx_hm> just looking for a provider
01:30 < Synx_hm> have my own hardware
01:30 < Synx_hm> viatalk i have used before and may use again
01:31 <@brimstone> Vitelity is cheap
01:31 <@brimstone> nufone is better
01:32 <@brimstone> if my internet wasn't dog slow, i'd get you a better link
01:32 <@ShadowHntr> i've been looking at teliax, broadvoice and voicepulse.
01:32 < Synx_hm> i am on a 2.2mb pipe
01:32 <@ShadowHntr> don't know if they're any good though
01:32 < Synx_hm> who the fuck sells 2.2 and 3.2 Mb only
01:32 <@ShadowHntr> T1 and a half?
01:32 <+coil> brimstone: quit haxoring
01:33 < Synx_hm> nufone eh
01:34 < Synx_hm> good service?
01:34 <@brimstone> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Residential#USA
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01:35 <@brimstone> yeah, nufone was good a year or so ago when i delt with the owner
01:35 <@brimstone> dealt
01:36 < Synx_hm> cool
01:36 < Synx_hm> wonder if ill be better off with a pay per min plan
01:36 <+coil> Synx_hm: la
01:36 <@brimstone> i am
01:36 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: voicepulse has a prepaid option for asterisk
01:36 <@brimstone> but i use my cell for most things
01:36 < Synx_hm> no cell out here
01:36 < Synx_hm> coil, la?
01:36 <+coil> LA
01:36 <+coil> La
01:36 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: http://connect.voicepulse.com/
01:36 < Synx_hm> what about LA?
01:37 < Synx_hm> just going to use my PAP2 hardware
01:37 <@brimstone> asterisk ftw
01:37 <+coil> one day ill setup voip
01:37 <@brimstone> iax2 > sip, down with cisco, etc
01:38 < Synx_hm> brimstone: i have a laptop, and a pap2 box here, i am away from home for an extended amount of time
01:38 <+coil> says a true digium employee
01:38 <@brimstone> just remember, voip is only as good as your network
01:38 <+coil> i got that rr trubo maaan
01:38 < Synx_hm> ya ive got a wrt54gl to shape the traffic, but the fucking BW on this island sucks balls
01:39 <+coil> island?
01:39 < Synx_hm> dns me fool
01:39 <+coil> guam?
01:39 <@brimstone> guam?
01:39 <+coil> why there
01:39 < Synx_hm> im deployed
01:39 <+coil> ?
01:39 <@brimstone> ah
01:39 <+coil> for what
01:40 <@brimstone> like a software update
01:40 < Synx_hm> for what we call
01:40  * coil sees airplanes go over his head
01:41 < Synx_hm> for continuous bomber presence
01:41 < Synx_hm> we always keep bombers out here
01:41 < Synx_hm> and its my rotation
01:42 < Synx_hm> do you have to run asterisk to use voicepulse
01:43 <+coil> ?
01:43 <+coil> are you airfoce?
01:43 <+coil> iirc?
01:43 < Synx_hm> ya
01:43 <@someninjamaster> no hes army
01:43 <@someninjamaster> he just flys bombers as a hoby
01:43 < Synx_hm> haha
01:44 <@someninjamaster> does the navy even have bombers
01:44 <+coil> ?
01:44 < Synx_hm> the f18 can drop bombs
01:44 <+coil> Synx_hm: so you fly shit around?
01:45 <+coil> and blow shit up?
01:45 < Synx_hm> but not in the conventional sense
01:45 < Synx_hm> coil: i fly B52's
01:45 <+coil> those huge ass things?
01:45 <@someninjamaster> yeah but not what a b1 b2 or b52 carries
01:46 <@someninjamaster> shit i bet the b52 holds 55 to 60,000 pounds at least
01:47 < Synx_hm> ya we can rain down some hate when we need to
01:48 <@someninjamaster>  actully according to wikipedia the b-52s ordanace weighs more than a fullyloaded fa18
01:51 < Synx_hm> well i am going to take off for a bit
01:51 < Synx_hm> catch ya all later
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01:53 <@someninjamaster> well shit
01:53 <@someninjamaster> now we cant talk about dc0de any more
01:57 <@Dagmar> Pfft.  Yes we can.
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04:24 <@Dagmar>  yo rattle
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09:09 <@sdodson> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/540076210.html
09:10 <@dasunt> http://www.realtor.com/search/searchresults.aspx?ctid=2959&typ=7
09:11 <@dasunt> I'm sure their are a lot of "independent pharmacists" nearby.
09:11 <@dasunt> Perhaps the occasional live-action street drama using real props.
09:12 <@sdodson> http://www.porncampseminars.com/ for dasunt
09:12 <@dasunt> :(
09:13 <@dasunt> Are you trying to tell me something?
09:13 <@sdodson> Yes, we need to become porn stars!
09:14 <@sdodson> Looks like it's more on the technical side of the industry.
09:23 <@dasunt> I find that slightly more interesting, TBH.
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09:47 <@Shadow_Phone> if anyone is bored, im streaming my homebrew batch for a college project in a sec: shadowcam.homeftp.net
09:48 <@Shadow_Phone> be aware though, only works with internet explorer (bleh) has to do with the crappy active x shit they use with the linksys wireless cameras
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09:51 <@Dagmar> This would be the point at which most of our responses would be something similar to "when you said it was free porno, you didn't mention it was free GAY porno!"
09:51 <@sdodson> dude this weather sucks, just cats
09:51 <@Shadow_Phone> lawl
09:51 <@Shadow_Phone> haha
09:52 <@Shadow_Phone> its raining cats and well no dogs, lawl
09:53 <@sdodson> here comes typing
09:53 <@Shadow_Phone> that was not part of the ingridients, thats was cat treats
09:53 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, smartass
09:54 <@Shadow_Phone> shes being a nuisance
09:55 <@sdodson> dude, take out the trash
09:55 <@Shadow_Phone> thats the fermenter keg
09:55 <@sdodson> zomg huge nose
09:55 <@Shadow_Phone> sanitized it last night with the equipment
09:55 <@Shadow_Phone> thats the jewish side of the family there
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10:00 <@dc0de> mr0nin all
10:02 <@brimstone> hi dc0de
10:03 <@dc0de> sup w/you brimstone ?
10:03 <@brimstone> not much
10:03 <@brimstone> just got up earlier than expected
10:03 <@brimstone> watched the latest techzilla
10:03 <@brimstone> debating a shower for the day
10:03 <@Shadow_Phone> oh, shit
10:03 <@dc0de> yeah, my wife wouldn't let me sleep any longer.
10:03 <@Shadow_Phone> shes warming up guitar hero
10:04 <@Shadow_Phone> gotta put the video on that for a sec one she gets going
10:04 <@dc0de> so I'm still waiting on breakfast.
10:04 <@Shadow_Phone> wife slow this morning?
10:04 <@dc0de> yup
10:04 <@Shadow_Phone> nice
10:04 <@Shadow_Phone> i had eggs and bacon in bed
10:05 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, I don't "play" married, I AM married.
10:05 <@Shadow_Phone> hehe
10:05 <@Shadow_Phone> whos still watching, just curious?
10:05 <@dc0de> watching what?
10:06 <@Shadow_Phone> the cam i have for my homebrew
10:06 <@Shadow_Phone> but no focuesd on scotchick playing rock band
10:07 <@Shadow_Phone> while my pot heats up
10:07 <@Shadow_Phone> omg, thats a funny video, sorta laggy
10:11 <@Shadow_Phone> 140 degress on kettle now
10:11 <@Shadow_Phone> just waiting for 165~170
10:13 <@Shadow_Phone> ok, back to homebrew
10:14 <@Shadow_Phone> and the grains steep for 20 minutes, ohh, exciting , i know
10:17 <@Shadow_Phone> oh, smells awesome already
10:18 <@dc0de> how come it smells like eggs, sausage and toast?
10:18 <@Shadow_Phone> heh
10:18 <@dc0de> oh, that's my house.
10:20 <@Shadow_Phone> that was mine earlier
10:20 <@Shadow_Phone> cause my gf actually fixes bfast on time
10:29 <@Shadow_Phone> i love the playstation visualizers by default
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10:35 <@Shadow_Phone> ALRIGHT, BACK TO THE HOME BREW
10:35 <@Shadow_Phone> woops, scotcihck left caps on
10:35 <@Shadow_Phone> anwyay, shadowcam.homeftp.net <- works with internet exploroer only
10:40 <@Shadow_Phone> ok, so bringing kettle to a boil for the dried and wet malt
10:40 <@Shadow_Phone> got the wet mault in a pot of hot water to make it more fluid for pouring
10:42 <@Shadow_Phone> so the question is, does a watched pot boil
10:42 <@Shadow_Phone> heh
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10:48 <@Shadow_Phone> ok, time for malt
11:02 <@Shadow_Phone> for those that are watching (currently show 3 users), thats the bittering hops
11:02 <@Shadow_Phone> steeps for 55 minutes now
11:02 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, why do you have a camera that doesn't support anything but Microsoft?
11:03 <@dc0de> that's pretty lame
11:03 <@dc0de> even for you.
11:03 <@Shadow_Phone> ask linksys, not me
11:03 <@dc0de> what, did they FORCE you to buy it?
11:04 <@dc0de> you didn't look into it before you bought it?
11:04 <@Shadow_Phone> no, but, when i called tech support, they said they are releasinjg a firmwaree upgrade soon to support other browsers
11:04 <@dc0de> "soon"...
11:05 <@Shadow_Phone> this is the wvc54gc model
11:05 <@Shadow_Phone> yea, i know what soon means too
11:05 <@Shadow_Phone> (a while)
11:05 <@Shadow_Phone> sigh, but i like the standalone web cam server package
11:05 <@Shadow_Phone> it works
11:06 <@dc0de> ok
11:06 <@dc0de> 'cept if you don't run windows anymore.
11:06 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, true
11:06 <@Shadow_Phone> but thats what vmware is for, right?
11:06 <@dc0de> so, while listening to you tell us on IRC how exciting it is to make beer.
11:06 <@dc0de> I can't watch
11:07 <@dc0de> actually, I'm upgrading, vmware and the ie6 in crossover doesn't show the camera either.
11:09 <@Shadow_Phone> have to install the active x contoller
11:09 <@dc0de> it doesn't prompt
11:09 <@Shadow_Phone> im maxed at 8 users now
11:09 <@dc0de> ahh, that's the problem.
11:09 <@Shadow_Phone> had to limit it for my home connection
11:10 <@dc0de> lame
11:10 <@Shadow_Phone> lame?
11:10 <@Shadow_Phone> sorry, i dont have fiber running to my house
11:10 <@dc0de> cut the feed quality and up the stream
11:11 <@dc0de> count
11:13 <@Shadow_Phone> i put it down to the lowest setting just for the 8 users
11:13 <@Shadow_Phone> usualy only support 4 fo rthe live weather all day
11:13 <@Shadow_Phone> on medium
11:13 <@Shadow_Phone> and high for 2 users for video phone to scotchicks parents
11:14 <@dc0de> and streaming the two of you bumping uglies at night.
11:15 <@Shadow_Phone> oh of course, but thats password protected
11:15 <@dc0de> assword you mean
11:15 <@sdodson> "If IP Is Property, Where Is the Property Tax?" interesting
11:16 <@dc0de> sdodson, I read that... it is very interesting...
11:16 <@dc0de> and a complex issue...
11:16 <@dc0de> One I want to explore further.
11:17 <@Shadow_Phone> oh great, now we have to pay taxes for each dns or ip we own?
11:17 <@Shadow_Phone> lets not
11:18 <@Shadow_Phone> i think we can only interpret ownership to physically something we can touch
11:18 <@Shadow_Phone> and thats not an ip
11:18 <@Shadow_Phone> we pay taxes on purchasing ip space and maintaining the registar
11:18 <@Shadow_Phone> i think thats plenty
11:18 <@sdodson> i need to set up ipv6
11:19 <@dc0de> IP = intellectual Property... not internet protocol
11:19 <@dc0de> ownership of Intellectual Property is already established.
11:19 <@dc0de> in a Legal sense.
11:20 <@sdodson> haha, Shadow_Phone is so funny
11:20 <@sdodson> he must be drunk on his beer
11:20 <@dc0de> sdodson, yeah.
11:20 <@dc0de> it's the smell and vapors....
11:20 <@dc0de> they're getting to him early.
11:20 <@Shadow_Phone> mmm, yes it is
11:20 <@sdodson> So ya, I need to get a small ipv6 deployment going on.
11:20 <@Shadow_Phone> sdodson: are you still watching
11:20 <@dc0de> sdodson, that will protect you... :P
11:20 <@Shadow_Phone> forgot what your ip was
11:20 <@Shadow_Phone> who owns arin?
11:20 <@dc0de> sdodson, I do to...
11:21 <@dc0de> ARIN owns ARIN
11:21 <@sdodson> Shadow_Phone: it's open but i'm not paying attention
11:21 <@sdodson> there i closed it
11:21 <@Shadow_Phone> ok, very well, its just the hops boiling
11:21 <@Shadow_Phone> yep, 7 users now
11:21 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, your getting high on hops?
11:21 <@Shadow_Phone> i was just curious
11:21 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, url again?
11:21 <@Shadow_Phone> was gonna do a trace route and look at lag from my house
11:21 <@Shadow_Phone> shadowcam.homeftp.net
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11:22 <@Shadow_Phone> actually mtr would be smarter choice in the case of streaming actually
11:22 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, going to try IE6 in crossover again...
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11:22 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, it would be smarter to stream your feed to an online multicaster.
11:23 <@dc0de> heh, watching the NCIS marathon on USA... "Chick Fight!"
11:24 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, i have a free cdn account unlimited
11:24 <@Shadow_Phone> from internap
11:24 <@Shadow_Phone> so i should get an attached webcam and use that eventually
11:24 <@Shadow_Phone> but i like the standalone camera wirless for the live weatehr
11:24 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, just bounce the feed from your video there?
11:24 <@Shadow_Phone> na, cant
11:24 <@Shadow_Phone> the linkksys wireless camera is its own webserver
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> so they dont have software on board to multicast to a streaming cdn
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> wish it did
11:25 <@dc0de> then you need to pull it...
11:25 <@dc0de> or hack it...
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> so im gonna get an usb camera for that soon
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> na, the linksys camera will be for live weather
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> since it doesnt need to be hjooked up to a cameraq
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> just have a wireless network in range
11:25 <@Shadow_Phone> which is neat
11:26 <@Shadow_Phone> hooked up to a pc i mean
11:26 <@dc0de> nice, code error on the "View Video" page
11:27 <@Shadow_Phone> heh
11:27 <@Shadow_Phone> still got 6 users
11:27 <@Shadow_Phone> other users are probably from other chanels i spammed the url with
11:28 <@dc0de> the VMWare is coming up...
11:28 <@dc0de> I'll try that in a few
11:28 <@Shadow_Phone> ok...
11:30 <@sdodson> vmware! pshaw, use xen or kvm!
11:30 <@dc0de> sdodson, xen is a PIA, and I've not seen kvm
11:31 <@dc0de> sdodson, plus, I couldn't get my arms around xen....
11:31 <@dc0de> the documentation doesn't make it clear.
11:32 <@dc0de> honestly, I couldn't get it running well enough to use it.
11:32 <@dc0de> I'd like to... just don't have the time to learn the entire platform to get my shit running,
11:32 <@dc0de> it was easier to use vmware server
11:32 <@dc0de> and while closed source, vmware server is still free.
11:34 <@Shadow_Phone> does it work with the cam?
11:34 <@dc0de> still waiting on boot
11:36 <@dc0de> damn 5400rpm drives
11:36 <@Shadow_Phone> heh
11:36 <@dc0de> my next laptop needs a drive controller...
11:37 <@Shadow_Phone> im stil curious what the lag will be between cam<>vmware<>youir viewer
11:37 <@dc0de> I don't think the lag will be bad...
11:37 <@dc0de> once everything in vmware is running, it's smooth...
11:37 <@dc0de> it's getting the shit booted and in memory that takes all the time.
11:39 <@sdodson> dc0de: Have no fear, it appears the next version of Ubuntu will provide the virtualization infrastructure developed by Fedora.
11:39 <@dc0de> very nice...
11:40 <@Shadow_Phone> i luborz ubuntu
11:42 <@dc0de> waiting to connect....
11:42 <@dc0de> installing activeX
11:43 <@dc0de> waiting for installation to begin...
11:44 <@dc0de> <hourglass>
11:44 <@dc0de> ahh, a steaming pot
11:45 <@dc0de> no audio?
11:46 <+coil> Shadow_Phone: link
11:46 <@dc0de> shadowcam.homeftp.net
11:47 <@Shadow_Phone> dc0de: nope
11:47 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, 9 minutes till finishing hops
11:47 <@Shadow_Phone> then 5 minutes boil
11:47 <@Shadow_Phone> then cooling wort
11:48 <@Shadow_Phone> so most of the actual work has been done already
11:49 <@Shadow_Phone> thats soo cool when you view the output with the camera
11:50 <+coil> link Shadow_Phone
11:51 <@Shadow_Phone> dcode gave it to you
11:51 <@Shadow_Phone> shadowcam.homeftp.net
11:51 <+coil> you said nope
11:52 <@Shadow_Phone> i was answering his earlier question
11:53 <@dc0de> I have to see why my Dlink cam doesn't work...
11:54 <@dc0de> I got a new power supply, and I'm going to see if that helps.
11:55 <@Shadow_Phone> coil: tis running?
11:55 <@Shadow_Phone> i see 7 users now
11:56 <+coil> no
11:56 <+coil> click on "view video?"
11:56 <@Shadow_Phone> internet explorer only
11:56 <@Shadow_Phone> not firefox
11:56 <@Shadow_Phone> stupid active x bs
11:56 <+coil> sure let me install internet explorer
11:56 <+coil> on my mac
11:56 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, mac ftl
11:57 <@Shadow_Phone> i would take windows over mac anyday if those were theonly choices
11:59 <+coil> nope
11:59 <@Shadow_Phone> 8 users
12:00 <+coil> it's me dumbass
12:00 <+coil> watch, 7
12:00 <@Shadow_Phone> w/e
12:00 <+coil> then now 6...
12:00 <@Shadow_Phone> remember what we talked about in ware
12:00 <@Shadow_Phone> last night
12:00 <+coil> no, i forgot
12:01 <@Shadow_Phone> thats a good ewxample
12:01 <@Shadow_Phone> tosser!
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12:14 <@baudburn> got a macbook air
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12:29 <+coil> bad ass
12:29 <+coil> is it bad ass with one usb port?
12:36 <@baudburn> yeah, it seems great
12:36 <@baudburn> its actually not mine.. it's my wifes..
12:36 <@baudburn> but it seems great..
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13:05 < desertc> heya - was checking out the outerz0ne conference - are there talks scheduled for this 'con yet?
13:08  * polerin pokes SkyDog_ 
13:08 < desertc> Is outerz0ne a public event, or is this more for 2600 regulars?
13:08 < polerin> desertc: it's public, though pay iirc
13:08 < polerin> SkyDog would be the person to talk to about that
13:08 < desertc> like phreaknic open, right?
13:09 < polerin> to my understanding yes
13:09 < polerin> though I could be wrong, never gone
13:09 < desertc> cool
13:09 < desertc> yeah, I'll be talking with skydog soon anyway, so I'll ask about his caravan.  ;)
13:09 < desertc> thanks polerin
13:09 < polerin> :p
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13:09 < polerin> no prollem
13:09 <+coil> hi
13:09 <+coil> hi polerin
13:10  * polerin is back with another one of those block rockin beats...
13:10 < polerin> (bada badada BadadaDAH!
13:11 <@Dagmar> You probably want to avoid the latest one of theirs
13:11 <@Dagmar> It's good, but if you're near someone who has had their larynx removed, you will react oddly
13:12 <@Dagmar> We heard someone using a throat buzzer in Target a couple weeks ago and felt the inexplicable urge to beatbox to it
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13:30 < desertc> anyone interested in art - as in galleries , not pr0n...  ;)
13:31 <+coil> my gallery2 broke :(
13:31 <+coil> i dunno what i did to it
13:32 < desertc> anyway, might be interested in this event in nashville:  http://www.nowplayingnashville.com/event/detail/105279
13:32 < desertc> 17 galleries, transport, no cost
13:32 <+coil> werd
13:32 < desertc> oh, and free booze
13:32 <+coil> drew
13:32 < desertc> not that anyone here cares about the booze, of course
13:33 <+coil> never
13:45 < polerin> meh.  For some reason JSON just doesn't sound usefull to me :P
13:45 < desertc> heard of anyone doing programming for cell phones in 2600 ?
13:45 <+coil> i seem edited my phone
13:45 < polerin> define programming
13:46 < polerin> and define cell phones
13:46 <+coil> polerin: define 2600
13:46 <@dc0de> desertc, yes, yes, and yes.
13:46 <@dc0de> define 'doing'
13:46 < polerin> hehe
13:46 < polerin> well I know wonton does a whole bunch of stuff with phones
13:46 < desertc> I'm interested in getting involved with that.  Seems fun.
13:46  * dc0de did not have sexual relations with that cellphone.
13:47 < polerin> and I know critch does handheld programming
13:47 <@dc0de> desertc, are you talking cell phones, or handheld pda, mp3 player, camera equipped, mobile devices that happen to also make and receive phone calls?
13:48 < desertc> cell phones
13:48  * coil calls desertc
13:48  * coil also uses his hacked cell phone internet for free
13:49 < desertc> lot of companies doing linux deployments for cell phones - I'd like to write some programs for that platform
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13:50 <+coil> hi rhia
13:50 <+coil> hi Rious
13:50 <@Dagmar> Qtopia phone
13:50 <@Dagmar> There's also another one that was in Linux Journal last month
13:51 <@Dagmar> OpenMoko
13:52 <@Dagmar> But then, why would the NSA even need to hide a feature to track you on a cell phone if people are just going to _write_ it themselves just to play with GPS
13:52 <@dc0de> happy saturday Dagmar.
13:53 <@Dagmar> s/sat/cat/;
13:53 <@Dagmar> dc0de: I really got to pay closer attention to *what* I find out online about shit
13:54 <@dc0de> Dagmar, what did you stumble upon now?
13:54 < polerin> and you could also look at android
13:54 <@Dagmar> I was trying to explain to someone in another channel why he was having problems ripping his own DVD.
13:54 <@dc0de> was he RIAA?
13:54 <@Dagmar> So I kinda explained how Sony Arcoss worked and how to get around it without really thinking about it
13:55 <@Dagmar> It's just so damn obvious
13:55 <@dc0de> fuck
13:55 <@Dagmar> No, I don't think he was RIAA or anything
13:55 < polerin> lol
13:55 <@dc0de> oh.
13:55 <@dc0de> ok.
13:55 < polerin> hmm
13:55 <@Dagmar> But you know I've got this serious white-hat policy thing
13:55 <@dc0de> I know... I know...
13:55 < polerin> is detailing a method for DRM circumvention considred distributing it?
13:55 <@Dagmar> ...and there I was just blabbing away to a kid about how you break DMCA over your knee
13:56 <@dc0de> Dagmar, which is WHY everyone is so calling bullshit on DMCA.
13:56 <@Dagmar> polerin: It is for a channel that absolutely must not talk about copyright violations
13:56 <@dc0de> you can't be logical unless you break the DMCA
13:56 < desertc> So ------ Disney is promoting Blu-Ray at Galleria Mall today
13:56 <@Dagmar> All it requires to get around it is something I'm not discussing online again
13:56 < desertc> ... speaking of DMCA
13:56 <@Dagmar> But it's pretty fucking easy
13:57 <@Dagmar> ...and after I said it I thought, "Hmm... That's probably someone's patented shit I'm talking about"
13:57 <@dc0de> Dagmar, it's sad, that you have to STOP talking about logical things, because explaining your logic is illegal.
13:57 <@Dagmar> Yes.
13:57 <@dc0de> Very Sad...
13:57 <@Dagmar> That does kind of blow chunks
13:57 < polerin> bah
13:57 < polerin> see I don't care to be white about it.
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13:58 <@Dagmar> I do.
13:58 <@polerin> I know you do
13:58 <@Dagmar> People gotta be able to *trust* me if I'm going to do sec work for them
13:58 <@polerin> Oh I'm trustworthy in that I won't break your shit or expose you to things,
13:58 <@dc0de> It would be equivalent to it being illegal to discuss how 8 people armed with only music CD's, can hijack and takeover an Airline.
13:58 <@polerin> but I'm in it for the knowledge, the learning
13:59 <@Dagmar> dc0de: Yeah, but that's much more immediately obvious as conspiracy
13:59 <@polerin> heh
13:59 <@Dagmar> You can't very easily "just wander" into that headspace without realizing something's a bit out of whack in your mindset
13:59 <@polerin> no, it could be talking about it in a theoretical manner as to prevention
13:59 <@dc0de> Dagmar, if I discuss it, provide a presentation on it, and give a presentation, it's NOT against the law... YET...
13:59 <@Dagmar> polerin: Yes, but he had something very specific in mind
13:59 <@polerin> Dagmar: ..  Heh, I wander there
13:59 <@dc0de> but the DMCA makes any presentation that is similar in "thought" illegal today.
13:59 <@polerin> all the time
13:59 <@Dagmar> You don't have to really be that specific to develop protection mechanism
14:00 <@Dagmar> The point being, those rules are a lot easier to follow at least.
14:00 <@Dagmar> This DMCA shit makes things complex
14:00 < desertc> You taken a look at these HD entertainment solutions?  They are way locked down.  From the player to the cable to the television.  There is a lot of freedom to use hardware being taken away with these HD device solutions.  Anyone here considered entertainment device solutions that are more open where you aren't effected by DRM and by the danger of potentially violating the DMCA?
14:00 <@polerin> Dagmar: because of exactly what he just expressed
14:00 <@polerin> desertc: yeah I have.
14:00 <@Dagmar> desertc: You bet I have
14:01 <@Dagmar> It's completely sealed end to ens
14:01 <@Dagmar> You can have your fair use, but you cant' get at it
14:01 <@polerin> yeah basicly
14:01 <@dc0de> I am not a big fan of the entire HDTV, forced DRM movement.
14:01 <@Dagmar> No, specifically.
14:01 <@polerin> dag is interested in the myth end of it, and I have to deal with the cable side of it
14:01 <@Dagmar> You basically *have* to break some sort of law to do anything with it
14:01 <@dc0de> I don't care that the "picture" is better, it's not that great to lose my freedom.
14:01 <@Dagmar> On that front, I'm interested in *both* sides of it
14:01 <@polerin> Dagmar: Nothing is sealed entirely.  there'll be a break in time
14:01 <@dc0de> if they want DRM on their shit, then give it to me for free.
14:02 <@dc0de> otherwise, they can keep it.
14:02 <@Dagmar> I don't have digital cable yet mainly because it's a very intricate fucking dance here to use it compared to just analog cable and a PVR-500
14:02 <@polerin> Dagmar: you're interested in it, I have to deal with it every day, that's what I meen
14:02 < desertc> So what's the alternative?  Can we embrace other technology that is open, instead?  I bet some people would happily take a blu-ray alternative, just because they are sick of the vulnerable discs.
14:02 <@Dagmar> desert: They don't exactly have a *choice* now
14:02 <@Dagmar> That just went right away.
14:02 <@polerin> There IS no choice.  at least on cable
14:03 <@polerin> Some of the OTA stuff is a little cleaner but not much
14:03 <@dc0de> polerin, remember the project we talked about?
14:03 < desertc> Well - I was imagining a teevee device that took SDcard media, rather than a movable-parts optical drive.
14:03 <@polerin> dc0de: not appliciable here
14:03 <@polerin> desertc: you don't undestand
14:03 <@polerin> under
14:03 <@dc0de> well, it will be... with docis3
14:03 <@polerin> the streams are encripted
14:03 <@Dagmar> The reason we don't have a legit DVD player app under Linux except through *one* package is because the right to actually *use* the media is sealed up by the DMCA
14:03 <@polerin> dc0de: nope still won't be.
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14:04 <@polerin> dc0de: different path
14:04 <@Dagmar> You *must* have the licence from basically this *one* amalgamation of companies.
14:04 <@dc0de> polerin, so where are they decrypted? on the stb?
14:04 < desertc> Dagmar: right - so linux people really missed the boat by not embracing a different technology
14:04 <@Dagmar> ...and it don't come to "free"
14:04 <@polerin> dc0de: they are decrypted by the Cable card
14:04 <@Dagmar> desertc: No, we can watch DVDs, but until recently not legally
14:04 <@dc0de> and that will be in the "modem", won't it?
14:04 < desertc> Dagmar: are we technical folk going to pass up this next opportunity as blu-ray gets rolled out?
14:04 <@dc0de> desertc, what are you asking?
14:04 <@Dagmar> Even the fucking cable card stuff that would OTHERWISE probably be a good deal has just gone foul as well
14:05 <@Dagmar> Same shit there
14:05 <@polerin> dc0de: no
14:05 <@Dagmar> No one is going to be able to make drivers for the cards without reverse engineering them, and bang there's the DMCA again
14:05 <@polerin> dc0de: DOCSIS doesn't have jack to do with cable cards
14:05 < desertc> Dagmar: Supposedly you can watch DRM-free DVDs, but good luck creating them on a DVD-R.  They won't play in most teevee players
14:05 <@dc0de> polerin, shit... ok, we need an stb
14:05 <@Dagmar> Yeah you can watch DRM free DVDs, but basically, those ain't what you rent from Blockbuster
14:06 <@polerin> dc0de: that's easy, the problem is that it needs to be a certified device with certified firmware or the cable card won't do shit
14:06 < desertc> What I am saying is that we - the people in the know - should chuck the optical drive, teevee solution and come up with our own.
14:06 <@Dagmar> Yeah, and you can not get certified drivers for Linux.
14:06 <@polerin> desertc: go for it.  Then try to get the content providers to give you content to put on it
14:06 < desertc> Then, build a community and marketplace around it
14:06 <@polerin> GOOD LUCK
14:06 <@Dagmar> desertc: Well, that's basically what they're forcing people into
14:07 < desertc> Right, it means rejecting the hollywood studio's content.  that'd be the price.
14:07 <@Dagmar> It's only a matter of time before this shit turns into a giant P2P cloud issue again
14:07 <@polerin> desertc: why aren't there anything over B rank Linux games/
14:07 <@polerin> Same fucking chicken and egg reason.
14:07 <@polerin> disclosure here, I work for comcast :P
14:08 < desertc> I think there are people ready to chuck the MIAA, just to gain more freedom of use, but there are no alternatives
14:08 <@Dagmar> For the drivers issue, there's just no way anyone can *make* a certified driver for it
14:09 < desertc> Imagine there was a cheap device you could buy that read off movies from a SDcard
14:09 <@polerin> desertc: that's nice.  Who's making the movies you watch?
14:09 <@Dagmar> What, like my Palm T|x?
14:09 < desertc> You could buy it, plug a couple teevee cables into it, and have DRM-free entertainment
14:09 <@Dagmar> I got 2Gb SDcards
14:10 < desertc> That would be a real alternative.  Seems to me pretty straightforward, but there's nothing like it out there.
14:10 <@Dagmar> desertc: See, the problem being all the manufacturers making the media are requiring DRM
14:10 <@polerin> desertc: and you know why?  Becasue there's no content
14:10 < desertc> Right, so we need to reject that media
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14:11 <@polerin> desertc: that's great.  who's makeing your media?
14:11 < desertc> Build a new infrastructure of entertainment devices, one that embraces sharing of content and has no DRM
14:11 <@polerin> the device is the easy part
14:11 <@polerin> that's been solved for years
14:11 <@Dagmar> One order of hitmen, coming right up
14:11 < desertc> When you say making the media -- do you mean the SDcards?
14:11 <@Dagmar> No thanks
14:11 <@polerin> no
14:11 <@polerin> I meen the movies
14:11 <@polerin> the music
14:11 < desertc> You mean the movies, right.
14:11 <@sdodson> the porn!
14:11 <@Dagmar> I don't intend to get involved with anything that would make a giant corp like Sony decide it would just be cheaper for me to have an "accident"
14:12 <@sdodson> Man I need to go into the carwash business.  $21 and your car is washed in like 5 minutes
14:12 < desertc> Okay, so you start small - remember, this is an alternative for people who are fed up with MIAA b.s. and they are already to reject the Hollywood films to get away from the DMCA lawsuits
14:12 <@sdodson> Dagmar: We thought you WERE an accident!
14:12 <@polerin> desertc: yeah and ...... so you end up with youTube.
14:13 < desertc> Then, once the infrastructure is in place, the content grows because of the openness of the system
14:13 <@polerin> desertc: Cool. very nice.  very open.  Very easy to smash.
14:13 <@dc0de> and lawsuites to take down content
14:13 <@Dagmar> YouTube which is being circled by lawyers like starving sharks
14:13 < desertc> dc0de: don't make a centralized site to sue
14:13 < desertc> we're building an infrastructure, so let's make it decentralized
14:13 <@dc0de> Miro, Joombla, and others are working towards a model that keeps most ppl happy.
14:14 < desertc> dc0de: right, so tie in the miro and joombla in some way
14:14 <@dc0de> and I personnaly like the content from Miro and Joombla
14:14 <@sdodson> Bah, just public content where you don't have to worry about take down notices.
14:14 < desertc> sdodson: yes, yes!  you got it
14:14 <@dc0de> the framework for miro is bittorrent
14:14 <@polerin> desertc: oh like ...  Torrents?
14:14 <@polerin> :P
14:15 <@polerin> which my company actively suppresses?
14:15 < desertc> it's like e-books -- the DRM-full e-book readers will never take off because everyone knows there are lots of DRM-free e-books.
14:15 <@dc0de> polerin, they allow me to download, just not host.
14:15 <@sdodson> People like to talk about how media providers suck, how they're oppressive, how they're suing people. Pirating their shit won't fix the problem, ignoring them in favor of content distributed on the terms you like will smash them.
14:15 < desertc> it's an alternative content source - right now we have no alternative to teevee entertainment
14:16 <@dc0de> desertc, actually, I do...
14:16 <@polerin> sdodson: eh.
14:16 <@dc0de> I can download most of the TV shows that I missed, online.
14:16 < desertc> sdodson: right, so the up-front content should be totally legit, like the Univ of Virgina's 16,000 public domain e-books
14:16 <@dc0de> I can get shows directly from the Major broadcasters, a day later than the original air date.
14:16 <@dc0de> sdodson, you're 100% correct.
14:16 <@polerin> see, I just dont' watch tv :P
14:16 <@sdodson> dc0de: I'm always 100% correct!
14:17 <@polerin> desertc: again, WHO is going to make it?
14:17 <@dc0de> polerin, I only watch re-runs...
14:17 < desertc> meanwhile, behind the scenes, friends might be passing friends the ripped Lost episode from their Tivo, but that's not the main focus of the project, just a result of the openness of the architecture
14:17 <@polerin> dc0de: eh, I watch what lissa watches
14:17 <@sdodson> There's already content available under creative commons that I prefer over anything I can find on the TV.
14:17 <@polerin> if it weren't for here I likely wouldn't even have a tv hooked up to cable
14:17 <@Dagmar> Someone could tempt fate and put an ebook reader interface for that library into MythTV
14:18 <@sdodson> I have no interest in reading a book on my TV
14:18 < desertc> polerin: who can make a device that can read movies of SDcards and output them to RCA cables?
14:18 <@sdodson> unless it's like text to speech
14:18 <@polerin> desertc: any number of people
14:18 <@sdodson> a co-worker hooked up our blogs to festival or something to produce podcasts he can listen to on his commute into work
14:18 <@polerin> desertc: depends on the size of the file
14:19 < desertc> polerin: well, I thinkwe should be thinking about 1 GB in size for starters
14:19 <@polerin> desertc: that's not a very big movie
14:19 <@polerin> desertc: but technically that's not hard at all hon
14:19 <@polerin> rca is cake
14:19 < desertc> since the hardware is open, we can scale up
14:19 < desertc> later
14:20 < desertc> making it cheap will ease adoption, too
14:20 <@polerin> it's an analog modulated composite video format that is on 0-4 mHz
14:20 <@polerin> whooptdy freakin doo :P
14:20 <@sdodson> thanks cable boy
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14:21 <+coil> sdodson: no it's comcastic
14:21 < desertc> If there was a $30 device that made it easy to share video content with friends to display video content on your teevee, then it'd be easy to purchase it.  you'd buy it for your friends, just to expand your infrastructure!
14:21 <+coil> polerin: fuck your comcast, uverse is pwnin!!!
14:21 <@polerin> cable boy? :P
14:21 <+coil> he said huh
14:21 <@polerin> desertc: there is.  it's called a VCR.
14:21 <+coil> but it didn't get to here
14:22 <+coil> dvr
14:22 <@Dagmar> Can't be done for $30
14:22 < desertc> vcr does not have media compatible to move the movie I made on my computer
14:22 <@polerin> dag: why not?
14:22 <@polerin> Dagmar: no lcd, read card output video.
14:22 <@sdodson> I'msure the ipod adapters aren't more than $50 or so
14:22 <@polerin> :P
14:22 < desertc> vcr is fine - as long as we have an interface to my computer, so we would need to come up with a USB-connected VCR recorder, which is silly
14:23 <@sdodson> atm machine
14:23 < desertc> why use movable parts, when a SDcard is smaller and cheaper and bigger
14:23 <@Dagmar> Cuz the boards you'd need would have about $100 worth of components n them
14:23 <@Dagmar> $120 would be doable tho
14:24 < desertc> if $120 is the price, then that's still okay
14:24 <@sdodson> you're describing a neuros btw
14:24 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
14:24 <@Dagmar> it's out there
14:24 <@Dagmar> It's just not super cheap to build em
14:24 < desertc> imagine how cool this would look - tiny little device that makes your VCR and DVD player look like ancient technology
14:25 <@Dagmar> There's a couple of prototyping kits I've seen that could do this
14:25 < desertc> maybe even put a remote on the thing
14:25 <@dc0de> yeah, sounds just like a neuros box
14:25 < desertc> throw some wifi or bluetooth in it so it connects with your computer more easily
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...and adds cost to the device
14:26 <@sdodson> apple tv, etc
14:26 < desertc> so you get different models, obviously start out with a proof of concept and see how it takes off
14:26 <@dc0de> 'zactly
14:26 <@Dagmar> You could amp up one of these to do bittorrent feeds, BUT
14:26 <@dc0de> sort of like my Shuttle box, with PVR cards... and software
14:26 <@Dagmar> Torrentocracy tried that, and lawyers were on them so fast
14:27 <@Dagmar> Basically, you're *going* to get sued whether you were up to anything fishy or not
14:27 < desertc> The shuttle box is a bit over the top - and lots of moving parts and fans.
14:27 <@dc0de> the only moving parts in my shuttle are the main cpu heat pipe fan, and the hard drive.
14:27 < desertc> The idea is to get a very low-cost alternative to the DRM-ridden blu-ray crap with completely open hardware and media
14:28 <@sdodson> I didn't realize you were speaking of something capable of HD content.
14:28 <@sdodson> None of the current devices do HD
14:28 < desertc> well - hd will be down the road, not in the prototype
14:29 <@dc0de> there's no point unless you can do HD.
14:29 < desertc> lots of factors with hd - but I think most people don't care about HD
14:29 < desertc> HD is being hyped right now to get people on the DRM-ridden architecture
14:29 <@dc0de> what you describe exists.
14:29 <@dc0de> without the HD.
14:30 < desertc> The teevee will want you to believe that everyone is going to HD, but it's their way of moving the crowd to the DRM solution.
14:30 < desertc> dc0de: where?
14:30 <@dc0de> http://www.neurostechnology.com/
14:31 <@sdodson> I don't know anyone without an HD TV
14:31 <@dc0de> sdodson, I don' thave one.
14:31 <@polerin> no
14:31 <@polerin> HD  != DRM
14:31 <@dc0de> don't forget www.Archos.com
14:31 <@polerin> you can do HD beautifully over Component cables
14:31 <@polerin> sdodson: uh, I don't have one
14:32 <@polerin> you want to buy one for me?
14:32 <@sdodson> no
14:32 <@dc0de> http://www.archos.com/products/gen_5/index.html?country=us&lang=en
14:32 <@dc0de> ARCHOS Content Portal : Open Platform for Any Content Provider
14:32 < desertc> polerin: HD doesn't require the HCMI cables?
14:32 <@polerin> no
14:32 < desertc> what does it us?
14:33 < desertc> use?
14:33 <@dc0de> HD is transmitted over FM... it doesn't need special cables to move the signal.
14:33 <@polerin> HDMI are one way to do it, but HDMI is simply a bundeling of DVI + Audio
14:33 <@polerin> you can also use Component cables
14:33 <@polerin> dc0de: not neccisarily fm
14:33 <@polerin> HD is not a signaling format
14:34 <@polerin> it's a display format
14:34 <@polerin> it's like saying MPEG's require RCA cables
14:34 <@polerin> or VGA
14:34 <@dc0de> polerin, well, not 'exactly' FM, just below the FM spectrum.
14:34 <@dc0de> HD over the Air broadcast.
14:34 <@polerin> dvi isn't FM
14:34 <@polerin> oh, if youre talking about that it's a compltely different modulation format
14:34 < desertc> so how do you get the HD to the teevee ?
14:34  * sdodson modulates
14:34 <@polerin> don't remeber the name, got for 4 letters
14:35 <@polerin> desertc: uh, you tune it?
14:35 <@polerin> :P
14:35 <@polerin> how do you Standard def to the tv?
14:35  * dc0de modulates
14:35 < desertc> yeah, I think Neuros is very close to what I had in mind.
14:37 <@polerin> s/do you/ do you get/
14:39 < desertc> And you are saying the Neuros is not popular because it doens't do HD ?
14:39 <@polerin> I'm not saying anything about the neuros
14:39 <@sdodson> desertc: come on man, get with it
14:39 <@sdodson> you're not making sense
14:39 <@polerin> I haven't even had a chance to look at it
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14:42 <@sdodson> hmm appletv does hd content
14:43 <@polerin> :P
14:43  * dc0de doesn't care about HDTV.  
14:43 < desertc> "Neuros is committed to ridding the world of the evils of DRM"
14:43 <@polerin> hell, your mom does hd content
14:43 <@polerin> dc0de: I do
14:43 <@polerin> dc0de: hd is really really nice.
14:43 <@dc0de> meh
14:43 <@polerin> heh
14:44 <@polerin> meh all you want, but I've been around it enough to know what it does
14:44 <@dc0de> I really don't care that the "picture" is that much better...
14:44 <@dc0de> the CONTENT STILL SUX
14:44 <@polerin> hehe
14:44 <@sdodson> I smell like armor all
14:44 <@polerin> true enough
14:44 < desertc> Unfortunately, "1080p encoding with embedded chipsets is not around the corner - the files and bitrates are just gigantic... An HD version of the Neuros OSD?  We don't have an ETA for it yet."
14:44 <@polerin> sdodson: been rolling around on your bosses leather seats?
14:45 <@sdodson> i has leather seats yo
14:45 <@sdodson> that's just how i roll
14:45 <@dc0de> if the HDTV initiative allowed us to say, choose our own channels in a package.... that'd be something.
14:45 <@polerin> dc0de: it's coming trust me
14:45 <@dc0de> but HDTV is just "another" enhancement that I'm going to eventually be charged for.
14:45 <@polerin> cable is fighting a reargard to keep i from happening, but they are preparing for it
14:45 <@dc0de> what, that I can ONLY select the channels I want?
14:45 <@sdodson> You guys keep linking the resolution with the content delivery method.
14:45 <@polerin> yeah.
14:45 <@sdodson> There's not necessarilly a link there.
14:46 <@polerin> DING!
14:46 <@dc0de> HDTV is not ONLY the delivery method.
14:46 <@polerin> ...
14:46 <@polerin> no HDTV isn't the delivery method at all
14:46 <@polerin> it's the payload
14:46 <@dc0de> exactly.
14:46 <@polerin> the content.
14:47 <@dc0de> no, not the content... it's a High Definition VERSION of the content.
14:47 <@polerin> HD has diddly to do with the delivery method except for requiring more bandwidth
14:47 <@dc0de> and I'm going to have to pay more $$$ to receive the same shitty content, in a clearer picture.
14:49 <@sdodson> Then don't
14:50 <@dc0de> sdodson, I won't have a choice after 2009
14:50 <@dc0de> and soon after that, over the air broadcast of television is going to be stopped, and that's when DRM will be pushed everywhere.
14:50 <@sdodson> if you say so
14:51 <@dc0de> the idea that Television in this country is Free, and should be free, is going to be gon.
14:51 <@dc0de> s/gon./gone.
14:51 <@sdodson> what?
14:51 <@dc0de> sdodson, you don't think that "over the air" broadcast is going to go away?
14:52 <@brimstone> over the air analog
14:52 <@sdodson> no
14:53 <@dc0de> sdodson, then you're missing the goals of the Broadcasters, and the entire television industry.
14:54 <@sdodson> Their goals have never changed.
14:54 <@dc0de> The Weather Channel isn't spending $48M to upgrade their studios to broadcast in HD, without some solid hook into the homes, and recurring revenues of advertisement on HD.
14:55 <@dc0de> the DRM on the digital broadcast is going to make that a reality.
14:55 <@dc0de> because they're going to call their "content", intellectual property.
14:56 <@sdodson> Is it not?
14:56 <@dc0de> well, here's the issue.
14:57 <@dc0de> Why was the FCC created?
14:57 <@sdodson> I dunno.
14:57 < desertc> okay, I just read up on digital tv and hdtv.  Think I understand it better now.
14:58 <@dc0de> The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. possessions.
14:58 <@sdodson> I assume to ensure that our air waves are usable
14:58 <@dc0de> How much does it cost to receive a television program in your home today?
14:58 <@dc0de> how much do you have to pay to receive the evening news?
14:59 <@sdodson> It depends on how I choose to receive it.
14:59 <@dc0de> true, but what's the LEAST COST version cost you?
15:00 <@dc0de> nothing
15:00 <@dc0de> today.
15:00 < desertc> will you be able to get a radio teevee signal after the digital switchover?
15:01 <@dc0de> desertc, that's very questionable.
15:01 <@sdodson> why on earth do you keep typing teevee?
15:01 < desertc> that's disturbing - I wonder how they will get emergency messages out
15:01  * sdodson shakes desertc violently hoping for a better answer
15:01 <@dc0de> the cable companies first promised that since you were PAYING for television service, that you didn't have to watch commercials.
15:02 <@dc0de> since commercials are how the broadcasters make back their monies of transmission.
15:02 <@dc0de> but they soon caved to the lure of $$$ and added themselves to the advertisment flooded market.
15:03 <@dc0de> so, the difference between cable and over the air analog, are simply the number of channels you can receive.
15:03 <@dc0de> it WAS all about the content.
15:03 <@dc0de> not anymore.
15:03 <@dc0de> it's more about the Quality of the Images and Sound.
15:03 <@dc0de> because the content is the same.
15:04 <@dc0de> now with the move to digital delivery of all content, HD capable systems are going to be required, and over the air broadcasts are going to be stopped.
15:04 <@dc0de> forcing people to go to cable and/or satellite providers for television.
15:04 <@sdodson> That's nothing more than pure speculation.
15:05 <@sdodson> OTA delivers superior quality over that of cable right now.
15:05 < desertc> but, at a basic level - radio transmissions allow video messages to be received by everyone.  are we moving to a society where video information about our world requires a subscription?
15:05 <@dc0de> at that point, we're paying for something that the FCC mandated requirement for a communications systems that can provide information to all of the populous.
15:06 < desertc> Well, the FCC is corrupt as all hell.  Isn't it still being run by Colin Powell's nephew?
15:06 <@dc0de> http://www.aarp.org/research/press-center/testimony/digital.html
15:06 <@dc0de> sdodson, over the air broadcasting is going to end.
15:06 <@dc0de> it's not speculation
15:07 < desertc> Oops, no, Michael Powell was chairman from 2001-2005
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15:09 < desertc> The digital signal will still be over the air ---
15:09 <@dc0de> desertc, yes, it will, and when it's DRM encrypted... what then?
15:09 <@dc0de> because, of course, it's the IP of some broadcaster.
15:09 < desertc> will it be DRM encrypted?
15:10 <@dc0de> it's just a step away.
15:10 < desertc> Just keep rejecting DRM - teach people and embrace alternatives
15:11 <@dc0de> I'm not the only one who feels that this is going to happen...
15:11 <@dc0de> http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=122561&site=cdn
15:13 < desertc> Interesting.
15:13 <@dc0de> add to this the fact that digital-to-analog converters are going to be scarce, and you'll only have 3 months to use your $40 coupon from the gubment, it's going to be a force push to buy new gear.
15:13 <@dc0de> http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/governments-dtv.html
15:15 < desertc> Well, your AARP link gives me hope.  IMHO, there's no way anyone can switch off the no-cost signal, when there are a hundred thousand old folk with canes ready to vote out anyone who pulls the plug.
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15:16 <@dc0de> I just requested my coupons from the gobment.  www.dtv2009.gov
15:19 < desertc> I suddenly want a DTV tuner - even though I do not even have a teevee
15:19 <@dc0de> I've just requested my two coupons...
15:20 <@sdodson> I have not.
15:20 < desertc> anyone know of a good pci card for DTV ?
15:20 < desertc> or usb
15:21 < desertc> for whatever reason, I never considered pulling the on-air radio signal into my computer
15:22 <@sdodson> hd5500 from pchd or get the silicon dust hd homerun
15:22 <@dc0de> what about the ATI - HD?
15:22 < desertc> nice, thanks!
15:28 < desertc> holy crap the hd5500 looks cool
15:44 < desertc> thanks for the chat
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16:00 <@polerin> ...  no way you can sh.. huh?
16:00 <@polerin> ugh
16:01 <@dc0de> ?
16:01 <@polerin> nuthin
16:02 <@dc0de> k
16:02 <@polerin> don't mind me, i'm just grumpy
16:02 <@polerin> forgot to take my pills this morning so i'm sorta bitchy right now
16:02 <@polerin> not to mention i'm the only person in my phone queue
16:02 <@dc0de> oh nice.
16:02 <@polerin> :P
16:03 <@dc0de> luv spotting canadians on TV,
16:03 <@dc0de> when they say, "ooooot" instead of Out.
16:15 <@brimstone> our aboot instead of about
16:16 <@dc0de> yup.
16:16 <@dc0de> simply the word out...
16:17 <@sdodson> or woot! hard lulz!
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18:48 < ware> kthnx
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18:51 < Synx_hm> Sup peeps
18:55 < Synx_hm> can someone try to gotot he padi.org website from a *nix browser
18:55 < Synx_hm> it wont work in either the gnome browser nor firefox
18:55 <@sdodson> *nix browser?
18:55 < Synx_hm> i dont care what flavor, just something i could possibly run in ubuntu
18:56 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
18:56 < Synx_hm> so i guess linux graphical broswer
18:56 <@dc0de> .org or .com?
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18:56 <@sdodson> i get a blank page in firefox but that's in windows
18:56 < Synx_hm> .org
18:56 < Synx_hm> it works fine in IE
18:56 <@dc0de> padi.org?
18:57 < Synx_hm> let me double check
18:57 <@dc0de> it's a search portal.
18:57 <@dc0de> www.padi.com comes up fine in my Firefox on Ubuntu.... once I tell noscript to all the scripts to run.
18:58 < Synx_hm> this laptop does not take well to a VM running and me trying to do anything doh
18:59 < Synx_hm> dc0de: what'd you do to get it to load padi.com ?
18:59 <@dc0de> opened a tab, typed it in, and then allowed scripts to run on the page.
19:00 < Synx_hm> where is the script option
19:00 <@dc0de> Synx_hm, noscript is a firefox add-on.
19:00 <@dc0de> if you don't have it, scripts run.
19:00 < Synx_hm> rgr
19:01 < Synx_hm> well its not working at all for me
19:01 < Synx_hm> i dont see any of the menus
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20:16 <@Catonic> is there anybody... out there?
20:21 <@brimstone> just knod if you can hear me
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20:21 <@sdodson> gnod
20:22  * Catonic contacts Shadow_Phone; brimstone wants to play with KNO3...
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20:40 <@someninjamaster> evening all
20:40  * Catonic stirs
20:40 <@juice> hi
20:41 <@someninjamaster> sup juice and catonic
20:41 <@juice> not much just got home
20:44 <@juice> yourself?
20:51 <@Catonic> flashin da bios
20:56 <@juice> fun times
20:56 <@someninjamaster> just finished cleaning up from the hacker consortium workday
20:56 <@juice> ic
21:05 <@sdodson> is juice and catonic a mixed drink?
21:07 <@juice> hmm
21:35 <@sdodson> http://www.liveleak.com/player2.swf?token=18f_1201000704
21:35 <@Catonic> nsfw, language
21:35 <@Catonic> but you'll create your own language when you watch it
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21:37 <@sdodson> is there going to be a geek shoot at OZ?
21:47 <@dc0de> http://xkcd.com/233/
21:47 <@dc0de> sdodson, no, Sunday is Easter, and every local range is closed
21:52 <@sdodson> Liberty Ale!
21:54 <@dc0de> http://xkcd.com/276/
21:55 <@dc0de> I can't stop coughing/laughing at that one.
21:55 <@dc0de> a cross between a bash.com and xkcd
21:55 <@dc0de> how perfect
21:55 <@sdodson> dc0de discovers xkcd
21:55 <@dc0de> nah, I've been an xkcd'er for some time.
21:59 <@Catonic> I told my aikido instructor I was thinking about moving.
21:59 <@Catonic> he told me he'd never show me anything again.
22:00 <@dc0de> Catonic, that's because you came on to him.
22:01 <@Catonic> he's had a lot of students recently graduate, which makes it difficult for him as an instructor because the senior students help the junior students
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22:02 <@Catonic> free/net/open?
22:03 <@sdodson> what?
22:03 <@Catonic> bsd
22:06 <@Catonic> oooo. FreeBSD heavy, like sumo.
22:09 <@sdodson> I want to do freebsd in xen but i'm not sure it works yet
22:10 <@Catonic> iirc it does
22:12 <@sdodson> It works with xen 3.0 but fedora has 3.1 or 3.2 now
22:18 <@Catonic> and to think of all the years naming boxes... I completely missed daito and shoto.
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22:34 < desertc> SkyDog_: ping
22:35 < desertc> anyone got spare seats in the caravan to outerz0ne ?
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22:48 <@SkyDog_> desertc: Coming from where?
22:48 < desertc> Cashville, of course!
22:49 < desertc> Representing the east side.
22:49 < desertc> Hermatage, woohoo!
22:52 <@SkyDog_> I know that there are a few people coming from Nashville.
22:52 <@SkyDog_> hit the forum and put your request in.
22:52 <@SkyDog_> http://www.outerz0ne.org/forum/
22:59 < desertc> Roger, roger!
22:59 <@dasunt> I was watching this fictional movie about two 18-year-olds (?) in the Israeli Defense Force.
23:00 < desertc> I know a couple other people interested in heading down, too.  Just wondering if there is a bus going down.
23:00 <@dasunt> Their job was to patrol a section of street or a busline, look for people who looked Palestinian, ask to see ID, and record their information.
23:00 <@dasunt> It is rather creepy.
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23:03 <@ladymerlin> whee
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> ROFL
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> <CCFL_Man2> would there be any reason the latest solaris 10 would have trouble installing on a netra t1 200?
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> <tcuji`e> Yes, if the Netra T1 200 is split in half.
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> <CCFL_Man2> i'm trying to jumpstart it but it's crashing on me
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> <tcuji`e> Very informative.
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> <tcuji`e> The CMOS batteries on Netra T1 200s are sometimes faulty; connect some 12V jump leads to the motherboard before jumpstarting.
23:08 <@Catonic> Alas, I hate to see a Netra die like that.
23:09 <@Catonic> I have a soft spot for 1U sun servers.
23:09 <@sdodson> I like seeing it.
23:21 <@SkyDog_> desertc: Do you guys have a room reserved.
23:21 < desertc> no
23:21 <@SkyDog_> Ya need to do that very soon.
23:22 <@SkyDog_> Our room block is closed, but I will see about getting it extended.
23:22 <@SkyDog_> make sure you tell them you are coming to the Outerz0ne conference.
23:22 < desertc> that's no problem
23:22 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
23:22 <@Catonic> bunch of last minute motherfuckers
23:22 < desertc> if we can get a ride, then we can reserve a room tomorrow
23:23 <@Catonic> desertc: go watch Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. Should give you some idea of how to hitch a ride effectively.
23:23 < desertc> lol
23:24 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: small circle huts.
23:24 <@Catonic> *hurts
23:24 <@SkyDog_> Catonic: Yup! Ends a fight quickly.
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23:25 <@Catonic> break! break! break! so hard on opponent.
23:25 < desertc> I would have to miss the Nashville flea market for this event, you know.  So I hafta know it's all squared away.  ;)
23:26 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: better wear your flea collar.
23:27 <@SkyDog_> Catonic: Heh.
23:27 <@SkyDog_> Next time I see you, we gotta talk technique.
23:27 <@Catonic> That's ok...
23:28 <@Catonic> I have a hard and fast rule: no aikido when drinking.
23:29 <@Catonic> though I rather enjoyed not flinching after a margarita while my instructor was trying to find a pressure point in the hand...
23:30 <@Catonic> sucks that the seminar and outerzone are at conflicting times.
23:31 <@Catonic> so while a bunch of "hackers" are gathering in Atlanta, I'll be in Nashville, with a bunch of aikidota watching a 72-year old man show us how his instructor did it 40 years ago.
23:32 <@SkyDog_> we understand.
23:32 < desertc> I can't register on the forums because the security code keeps saying invalid
23:33 <@Catonic> desertc# apt-get install clue
23:33 < desertc> rss feed fu
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23:34 <@Catonic> thin skinned, that one.
23:36 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: what's a good test of the CPU& RAM for a FreeBSD box?
23:36 <@Catonic> I need to burn one in for a while
23:38 <@SkyDog_> ultimate boot cd.
23:38 <@Catonic> box is up and running...
23:39 <@SkyDog_> ah. hmmm.
23:39 <@SkyDog_> dunno man. the seti project?
23:39 <@SkyDog_> is there a bsd client?
23:41 <@brimstone> there's a ps3 client...
23:42 <@Catonic> pulling distributed.net client
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23:42 <@dasunt> Catonic: I went out today.
23:42 <@Catonic> that's what I did last time... ran the PC with no cover for a week... it didn't die.
23:42 <@Catonic> dasunt: awesome. Spill.
23:42 <@dasunt> I talked to a woman.
23:42 <@dasunt> She was about 60.
23:42 <@dasunt> :p
23:42 <@Catonic> ...
23:43 <@dasunt> Went to a Jewish film festival.
23:43 <@Catonic> ... have you met shadowmoss?
23:43 <@dasunt> Talked to the person sitting next to me.
23:43 <@dasunt> Catonic: No.  Why?  Is shadowmoss also a 60 year old lady, or does she just like going to Jewish film festivals even though she isn't Jewish?
23:44 <@Catonic> age indeterminate.
23:44 <@Catonic> I've said too much.
23:45  * dasunt does the customary inquery into shadowmoss's hotness and location.
23:45  * Catonic pipes dasunt to /dev/null
23:45 <@dasunt> Oh, and I guess *looks at guide to interacting with females on IRC* I need to ask her for pictures for proof.
23:47 <@dasunt> Proof that XKCD is always relevant:  http://xkcd.com/322/
23:51  * Catonic waves
23:51 <@Catonic> Goooooood night!
23:51 <@dasunt> G'night.
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