--- Log opened Wed Feb 27 00:00:02 2008
00:00 <+coil> fsck snow
00:01 <@dasunt> Fucking southerners.
00:01 <+coil> stfu dasunt
00:01 <@dasunt> You're supposed to hate snow.
00:01 <+coil> fucking northerners
00:01 <+coil> i dont hate it
00:01 <+coil> i hate when people drive in it
00:01 <+coil> cuz they're dumb
00:02 <@dasunt> I've driven in horrible snow storms.
00:02 <@dasunt> And been passed by a suicidal state trooper.
00:02 <+coil> well se you're used to it
00:03 <+coil> dude its the south it dont snow
00:03  * coil didn't see his nick in that add an delete access flood
00:03 <@dasunt> The trooper surprised me.
00:03 <@dasunt> He passed a plow truck.
00:03 <@dasunt> Okay, now I dunno about TN, but when we get Real Snow in Minnesota, you can't see near a plow truck.
00:04 <+coil> oh
00:04 <@dasunt> Also, when we get Real Snow, at most, there's only one lane that is kinda-sorta decent to drive in.
00:04 <@dasunt> The other lane is unplowed, for the most part.
00:04 <+coil> cool dude
00:04  * coil goes driving
00:04 <+coil> it's fun seeing cars go across the ice like a hockey puck
00:04 <@dasunt> And this trooper passes me doing a suicidal 65 mph or so, and passes the plow truck.  For a moment, I expected he went into the ditch.
00:05 <+coil> oh well
00:05 <+coil> did he have his light on?
00:05 <+coil> or going snow blind
00:05 <@dasunt> I wouldn't see him if he didn't have his lights on.
00:05 <@dasunt> But it doesn't matter, if you pass a plow truck in those conditions, going either way, you're blind for 10 - 20 seconds.
00:06 <+coil> so?
00:06 <+coil> dont look it
00:06 <@dasunt> Go on the interstate at 60 mph.  Close your eyes for 20 seconds.
00:06 <@dasunt> Have fun.
00:06 <+coil> dasunt: interstates are usually straight roads
00:07 <@dasunt> 'Cept in these conditions, you don't know if you're on pavement or not.
00:07 <+coil> and troopers probably patrol on the same part of the roads
00:07 <@dasunt> You're not understanding.
00:07 <@dasunt> It may be regional.
00:07 <+coil> did he crash?
00:08 <+coil> then he knew what he was doing
00:08 <@dasunt> LoL.
00:08 <@dasunt> Yah.
00:08 <@dasunt> Y'know, the only reason why he kept going forward is that he had momentum.
00:08 <@dasunt> Other trooper I was behind was doing a more reasonable 30 mph on the interstate.
00:09 <+coil> pussy
00:09 <+coil> drive faster
00:09  * coil rams dasunt's car out of the way
00:09 <+coil> gtfo
00:09 <@dasunt> Dude.
00:09 <@dasunt> if you touch another car in those conditions, your (to use a physics term) vector changes.
00:10 <@dasunt> When the contact between the road and your tires is cushioned by an inch or two of packed snow, that's not a good idea.
00:10  * coil takes dasunt down with him
00:12 <@dasunt> Btw, still haven't picked up Sonata Artica.
00:12 <@dasunt> The Norwegian stuff arrived today.
00:12 <@dasunt> Er, yesterday.
00:12 <@dasunt> And I got some oldie-but-goodie metal in the mail.
00:13 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt: awesome :)
00:15 <@Catonic> peace.
00:15  * Catonic fades
00:23 <@dasunt> ShadowHntr: Thanks.
00:27 <@ShadowHntr> what'd you order
00:27 <+coil> ahi dasunt
00:27 <@dasunt> ShadowHntr: warlock.
00:29 <@dasunt> The Remnant of the band is playing in Minneapolis in March.
00:35 <@ShadowHntr> cool
00:35 <+coil> hi dasunt dasunt fall0ut
00:38 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA
00:39 <@buu> FLEE NOW.
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00:40 <@dasunt> Youtube is being pissy for me tonight.
00:40 <@sdodson> blame pakistan
00:40 <+coil> no sdodsonit's canada
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01:13 <+coil> [01:13:02]     @Nibblet | |bash 59749| <jgaddis> boolean: I just got outta prison last Monday.                                                                          ???
01:13 <+coil> [01:13:03]     @Nibblet | |bash 59749| <boolean> jgaddis: how many people in jail use linux?
01:21 <@ShadowHntr> heh
01:21 <@ShadowHntr> :P
01:22 <@dasunt> Er, jail is easy to get into/out of.
01:23 <@dasunt> It is prison that's the bad pone.
01:23 <+coil> im already drunk off this everclear
01:23 <@dasunt> Also, I realize my social pool needs chlorine.
01:23 <@dasunt> I'm drunk!
01:24 <+coil> i think i poured too much
01:24 <+coil> 2oz for a 16 oz glass too much?
01:24 <@dasunt> Depends on your tolerance.
01:25 <@dasunt> That's about 4 oz of normal liqquor.
01:25 <+coil> well im already buzzed just taking like a few sips
01:25 <+coil> i do have a tolerance
01:25 <@dasunt> how much do you weigh?
01:25 <+coil> but not dasunt tolerance
01:25 <+coil> 175 ish?
01:28 <@dasunt> You're only about 10-30 lbs less than me.
01:28 <@dasunt> I don't really have that much of a tolerance.
01:28 <@dasunt> Once I get properly buzzed, I lose interest in drinking more.
01:30 <@dasunt> I'm a proper drunk.
01:31 <+coil> not a shitfaced drunk?
01:31 <@dasunt> Oh, sometimes I get shitfaced, but it is rare.
01:31 <@dasunt> I'm going to bed, btw.
01:33 <+coil> why
01:34 <@dasunt> I work.
01:34 <+coil> i do to
01:34 <+coil> too
01:34 <@dasunt> At 9 am.
01:35 <+coil> fuck tha tshit
01:35 <+coil> you're always up too late
01:35 <+coil> what time do you get off?
01:37 <@dasunt> Not that much.
03:21 <+coil> ssh
03:21 <+coil> luckyone21
03:21 <+coil> SHIT
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06:23 <@tzanger> morning
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06:51 <@oddball> Ok, yesterday morning it was 50 degrees, today there's snow on the ground
06:51 <@oddball> I hate Nashville weather
07:12 <@someninjamaster> i love it
07:12 <@someninjamaster> you know why
07:12 <@someninjamaster> because my tired ass is going back to bed
07:30 <@Dagmar> Don't you be bad-mouthing my snow
07:31 <@oddball> Dagmar: you misunderstood.  I like the snow... I just wish it wasn't 50 degrees 24 hours ago
07:33 <@Dagmar> Did you leave your heat off or something?
07:34 <@oddball> Actually, I did, but the downstairs neighbors like to like it to be 90 degrees, so no big deal
07:43 <@oddball> ok, time for me to go warm the car up
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07:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:52 <@sdodson> I use more power in the winter than the hotest months of summer.
07:54 <@Dolemite> that's typical with a heat pump
07:54 <@Dolemite> but it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than natural gas
07:54 <@sdodson> $100/month to keep an 800sqft place at 68F?
07:55 <@Dolemite> When we had gas heat the bill was the same when the AC was on, but in winter we'd have a combined $500/month for gas and electricity.  Now with our heat pump it peaks around $300 in the most extreme cold months.
07:56 <@sdodson> Al Gore doesn't not approve of your gluttony.
07:57 <@Dagmar> I'/m thinking perhaps you should close the windows
07:57 <@Dolemite> I have a 3.400 sq. ft. house.
07:58 <@Dolemite> I have double pane windows, have recently recaulked them to stop air leaks, and have a programmable thermostat.
08:01 <@sdodson> I hear dolemite is a double pane.
08:01 <@Dolemite> only in the ass
08:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Weird... my summer cooling bills are always more expensive than my winter heating bills
08:11 <@oddball> Corydon76-dig: yeah, same here
08:11 <@oddball> especially this last summer
08:16 <@Corydon76-dig> If it costs more to heat, you might have a region in your roofline which lacks proper insulation (since heat rises)
08:17 <@Dolemite> In a smaller home with lots of heat generating equipment, then yes, it makes sense that it costs more to cool than to heat.
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08:18 <@Corydon76-dig> So clearly, you don't have enough computers.  ;-)
08:18 <@Dolemite> Or clearly, you have too many
08:19 <@Dolemite> Of course, if we were in Minnesota and your electric bill was still cheaper in the winter than in the summer, that would be the case
08:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Nah, the only way I could have too many is if a bunch were inoperational
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08:23 <@dc0de> why do people think that being sick is easy.
08:24 <@Dolemite> because you're just laying on the couch all damn day
08:24 <@dc0de> yeah, I wish
08:24 <@Dolemite> watching Sylvia Brown tell Montel that his dead relatives are talking to her
08:24 <@dc0de> who?
08:25 <@Dolemite> ok, watching Dr. Phil act like he knows anything about family counseling
08:25 <@Dolemite> or watching Oprah talk about how mens are the root of all evils
08:26 <@Dagmar> Yep.
08:26 <@dc0de> I can't believe that one of my collegues expects me to get on a call with their largest customer in 30 minutes
08:26 <@Dagmar> Too many know-it-alls on TV
08:26 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: ask him if it's okay to put them on mute while you're puking
08:26 <@dc0de> good point
08:27 <@Dolemite> and when you're on the toilet with explosive diarhhea
08:27 <@dc0de> I have bronchitis and laryngitis, I'm not supposed to be talking.
08:27 <@dc0de> the strep is under control from the antibiotics, and the ear infection is taken care of by ear drops.
08:28 <@oddball> god damnit... apparently parts of the state's website requires IE 6
08:28 <@dc0de> but the wheezing, coughing, and chunks of phlem are all part of the former.
08:30 <@dasunt> dc0de: WTF?
08:30 <@baudburn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms01mYdeQbw
08:30 <@dasunt> dc0de: Strep & ear infection?
08:30 <@dasunt> I guess that makes sense, same source, right?
08:31 <@dc0de> dasunt, I have a left ear infection, strep throat, bronchitis and laryngitis.
08:33 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: really and truly?  Or just UserAgent checking?
08:34 <@dasunt> dc0de: I told you to use protection.  :p
08:35 <@oddball> Their website says to rollback from IE7 to IE6.  I remember that there are a few websites for the DHLS that honestly don't work with IE7
08:35 <@oddball> So, I know that it can honestly be an issue
08:37 <@dasunt> oddball: So IE7 does not cooperate with the authorities?
08:37 <@oddball> you are correct :)
08:38  * dasunt heads off to work or a circle of hell (pick one).
08:39  * I-MOD picks both
08:39 <@dasunt> :(
08:39 <@dasunt> Probably closer to the truth though.
08:39 <@I-MOD> so your new assignment is to work in the circle of hell
08:40 <@dc0de> http://web.eku.edu/flash/inferno/
08:40 <@Corydon76-dig> WHICH circle of hell?
08:40 <@dc0de> a flash tour of the inferno
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08:51 <@I-MOD> all 7-9 of them
08:51 <@brimstone> 409?
08:51 <@Dagmar> FINALLY my Zivity invite
08:51 <@I-MOD> i don't think 409 removes hells
08:51 <@dc0de> Dagmar, what's zivity?
08:52 <@Dagmar> "It's not porn, guys" -- Cyan
08:52 <@Dagmar> heheh
08:52 <@Dagmar> This girl we used to work with at IAWK has basically opened a hot-or-not site for nude photogs and models, basically.
08:52 <@Dagmar> Every time we'd ask her "when is the porn site going to be ready" we'd get to hear "It's not porn!"
08:53 <@Dagmar> I am somewhat tempted to reply to her email with "Yay!  Finally we get to see the porno!"
08:53 <@dc0de> Dagmar, sign me up!
08:53 <@Dagmar> http://zivity.com/
09:01 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: I have no roof only an upstairs neighbor.
09:01 <@oddball> ok, today's ctrl-alt-del comic is great
09:06 <@Evilpig> dilbert is better
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09:29 <@oddball> god damn Dell and their mother-fucking obssesion with USB!
09:32 <@I-MOD> hating the lack of ps/2 ports?
09:33 <@oddball> yes
09:33 <@I-MOD> yeah..i don't have usb KVM switches either
09:33 <@I-MOD> so every dell that has only usb has to have its own keyboard and might as well have its own monitor
09:34 <@oddball> Oh, no... I have one of those... just 2 out of the 4 new Dell boxes that are hooked up to it just said "fuck it, I won't talk to USB devices"
09:34 <@I-MOD> that or i need to find some adapters
09:34 <@I-MOD> yay dell!
09:34 <@oddball> aaaaannnnnd they're back... what the hell!?
09:34 <@I-MOD> kick them in the....ram?
09:35 <@Dagmar> It takes a moment for Xp to recognize USb devices
09:35 <@I-MOD> i'd say throat, but i don't think they have those
09:35 <@oddball> Dagmar: these have been plugged in for 3 days
09:35 <@I-MOD> like Dagmar said, xp takes a moment to recognize them :D
09:36 <@oddball> I'm still trying to figure out the advantage of USB keyboards and mice over ps2
09:36 <@Dagmar> That they're hot-pluggable.
09:37 <@Dagmar> ...and that they don't require a dedicated controller.
09:38 <@oddball> on the other hand, I've had to deal with motherboard chipsets that cause windows to freak out and not talk to USB devices at all until you install the proper drivers
09:38 <@oddball> I'm a big fan of it just fucking works
09:39 <@Dagmar> It only "just fucking works" with PS2 because someone _already installed the driver_'
09:39 <@Dagmar> Use a different OS if you want things to "just fucking work"
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09:40 <@oddball> isn't the ps2 driver an industry standard?
09:40 <@Dagmar> Yes.  So is USB HID.
09:40 <@oddball> then intel isn't following industry standard
09:41 <@oddball> at least, as of 6 months ago
09:41 <@Dagmar> You have an Intel USB keyboard?
09:41 <@oddball> no, EFC only used intel chipset mobos
09:42 <@Dagmar> Lemme spell something out for you, rather than just sit and watch you squirm like I do most other people on IRC.
09:42 <@Dagmar> XP's USB support, in a word "sucks"
09:42 <@Dagmar> HID keyboards and mice require basically just _one_ driver to make them work properly.
09:42 <@oddball> and since 95% of the world uses XP
09:43 <@Dagmar> The USB chipset itself requires a driver, of course, but once that's installed that part is covered.
09:43 <@Dagmar> oddball: 95% of the world listen to Top 40s music, too.
09:43 <@Dagmar> That doesn't mean it's good.
09:43 <@Dagmar> Hell, greater than 50% of the population have _two digit_ IQs
09:43 <@oddball> no, but it means you have to deal with the fact that it exists and it ain't going anywhere
09:43 <@dc0de> aww, this is cute.  http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/9f12/images/2650/
09:43 <+coil> wot
09:43 <+coil> woot
09:44 <+coil> i got my hd usb thingy
09:44 <+coil> it wrks
09:44 <@Dagmar> oddball: So basically, you're arguing that because Microsoft can't get their shit together and handle USB hot plugging properly, that the entire world should stop using USB.
09:44 <@Dagmar> Remember, this shit works _fine_ under Linux and OSX.
09:44 <@Corydon76-dig> What do you call a guy with a fancy GUI to a firewall that can't get it running correctly?  I'd go with "idiot", but that's reserved for people who NEED a fancy GUI on their firewalls
09:44 <@Dagmar> Corydon: Id' call them a "client", personall.
09:44 <@Dagmar> y
09:44 <@oddball> I'm saying that I hate that Dell has gone to not throwing on ps2 ports in their machines
09:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: they are a client, but they insist on running their own firewall
09:45 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, let them... oh, and give me their IP Address
09:45 <@Dagmar> Corydon: Then that's _their_ problem
09:46 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: no, the issue is that when he locks it down the way he likes, nothing works
09:46 <@Dagmar> oddball: Trust me it's actually the correct thing to have done.
09:46 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: and then he complains that nothing works (to us)
09:46 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, doesn't sound like a problem.
09:46 <@dc0de> sounds like you get to fire a client.
09:46 <@Dagmar> oddball: XP's support for hot-pluggable USB devices just isnt' something they considered a priority, so basically everyone's accepting a bad bill of goods from Microsoft.
09:46 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: not a complete option
09:47 <@oddball> so,it should be done even though in most cases there's a high chance that it will bite you in the ass?
09:47 <@Dagmar> oddball: You bought XP.
09:47 <@Catonic> you know.... you've got to be a real, certifiable genius to fuck up slimfast.
09:47 <@dc0de> what is he shutting down?
09:47 <@dc0de> Catonic, whaaaa?
09:47 <@Catonic> maybe I inherited my aunt's ability to burn boiling water.
09:47 <@oddball> no, the company I work for bought XP because that's the industry standard
09:48 <@Dagmar> So, now would be a good time to call on that "support contract" that they got with XP
09:49 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, get them this... http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/a26a/
09:49 <@dc0de> and tell them it'll be "allright".
09:49 <@Dagmar> So long as your company doesn't see on the bottom line that Microsoft's promises about "reduced TCO" because of "industry support" is a bunch of fucking lies, they will continue to consider XP cheaper.
09:50 <@Dagmar> ...adn as long as techs put up with having half their day go to fixing trivial shit without putting the blame where it should be, _this will continue_
09:50 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: that has got to be the worst abuse of USB I've ever seen
09:50 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, I know... I thought that you'd see the irony.
09:51 <@oddball> Dagmar: and the bit where we have to use software provided by the state that will only run under windows?
09:51 <@Dagmar> That's where your poor accounting processes make it look like that was a good decision
09:51 <@Corydon76-dig> btw, the mugwarmers they sell don't work for shit
09:51 <@Dagmar> Pretty much ALL USB devices are hot-pluggable by design.
09:51 <@Dagmar> Period.
09:52 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, should we buy one of those for dagmar?
09:52 <@Dagmar> A USB KVM should be a no-brainer.
09:52 <@dc0de> I have a usb kvm
09:53 <@oddball> you are correct.  When I tried plugging the keyboard directly into the box and it wouldn't repond, that's when I started bitching
09:53 <@Dagmar> So, call Microsoft and lodge a ticket
09:53 <@dc0de> yeah, and let me know how that turns out.
09:54 <+coil> usb
09:54 <@dc0de> Dagmar, I'd bet that XP wouldn't handle this... http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/a26a/
09:54 <@Dagmar> dc0de: Well, the point is to generate _accurate_ reporting as to where a tech's time is going.
09:55 <@dc0de> Dagmar, I know... I know... but I'm sick, and I want to see other people in pain.
09:55 <@Dagmar> ...and if the issue is mainly that one can never get MIcrosoft to fix problems _caused_ by Microsoft, becuase their support people are useless, you _can't_ just say "well, that tech is incompetent"
09:55 <@oddball> dc0de: then I'm making you happy?
09:55 <+coil> ware ware ware ware
09:55 <@dc0de> actually oddball, it's nice to know that someone elses life is the suck right now.
09:55 <@dc0de> yes.
09:56 <@Dagmar> For some insane reason, managerial types like to _believe_ the shit told to them by salesmen who actually have no responsibility to their companies.
09:56 <@Dagmar> I guess because it's easier than actually doing the accounting necessary to figure out where the resources are really going to
09:56 <+coil> mmmeow
09:57 <@oddball> although, it could still be yesterday afternoon when I was dealing with the botched ISP switch over that no one bothered to tell me about
09:57 < ware> coil: sup
09:57 <+coil> ware!!!
09:57 <+coil> i got my woot ware
09:57 <+coil> and it workzorz
09:57 <@dc0de> coil, what'd you get?
09:57 <+coil> pinnacle usb hdtv
09:57 <@dc0de> nice
10:05 <@oddball> on related note, I did enjoy the look on the big boss's face when I told him how long it would take me to fully prep a new machine for deployment.
10:07 <@dc0de> my fucking cat is useless, it won't bring me my blanket.
10:07 <+coil> yiff
10:09 <@Catonic> pile.
10:09 <@dc0de> useless animal.
10:10 <@dc0de> where's my dog.
10:10 <@dc0de> he's smart enough to sit on my feet and keep them warm
10:10 <@Catonic> You know what sucks? Getting pictures from your friend who has completed a journey to the seventh continent.
10:10 <@dc0de> australia?
10:10 <+MxZBot> australia is all electronic, but if you show up without getting the visa ahead of time, they detain you
10:11 <@Catonic> hehe! I fondly remember wrestling the blanket from our beagle.
10:11 <@Catonic> antartica.
10:11 <@Catonic> g2g bbs.
10:11 <@dc0de> Catonic, that's too fucking cold
10:16 <@dc0de> my blood sugar is cranked!
10:16 <@dc0de> shit
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10:21 <@dc0de> no wonder my kidneys ache
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10:51 <@Evilpig> bah I don't feel like working today and my contact here at the plant it out...  so I could just skip out early and say I did some work
10:52 <@dc0de> Evilpig, I saw you do work.
10:52 <@Evilpig> good deal.  now I have that covered.  time to take a nap, or just go home
10:56 <@Evilpig> okay did I tell y'all what I have gotten myself into with my friend that is in the marines?
10:56 <@rhia> the eye guy?
10:56 <@dc0de> Evilpig, I'm all ears
10:56 <@Evilpig> yeah
10:56 <@dc0de> Hi rhia
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10:56  * rhia waves 
10:57 <@Evilpig> last night I took him to see a friend of mine that would have some of the stuff he was wanting so he could get drugged out and have his friend remove his eye.  my flunky loser drug addict friend talked him out of it.  thank god
10:57 <@dc0de> why does he want to remove his eye?
10:57 <@Corydon76-dig> He has an evil eye
10:58 <@dc0de> Evilpig, refer him to a shrink
10:58 <@dc0de> quickly
10:58 <@dc0de> before he kills you, your friends, and himself.
10:58 <@Evilpig> 1) he thinks he will get out of the marines that way.  well that and failing a drug test when he goes back.  2) he is convinced that the eye that he can't see out of is making his other eye worse
10:58 <@rhia> makes sense - all the responsible people's arguments didn't convince him, but the words of a "flunky loser drug addict" worked
10:58 <@dc0de> Evilpig, if he wants out of the marines, he simply has to go to the chaplin and request to get out.
10:58 <@Evilpig> dc0de: I have a call into my doc about him.  but the fucker's nurse is being a cunt about letting me talk to him
10:59 <@rhia> thought he wanted to stay in the marines?
10:59 <@dc0de> Evilpig, don't go to the doctor, go to the nearest marine corps base, and ask to speak to the chaplin.
10:59 <@dc0de> no shit, the chaplin is the way to go.
10:59 <@Evilpig> thought he did as well.  but like I dunno what his deal is right now
10:59 <@oddball> ahhh... the old "hmmm.... if fucktard thinks it's a bad idea, it must be really horrible!"
11:00 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: that, or talking to him on his own level, instead of talking down to him
11:00 <@Evilpig> well my druggie friend has chrones(sp?) and knows alot about all kinds of drugs both illegal and legal.
11:00 <@rhia> batshit crazy seems appropo
11:00 <+coil> mmmm drugs
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11:08 <@dc0de> how do you explain that 40 bit encryption won't pass muster?
11:09 <@Catonic> "40-bit encryption ought to be enough for anyone."
11:10 <@Dagmar> You crack it right in front of them
11:11 <@Dagmar> 40-bit encryption is *not* just 30% as effective as 128-bit encryption.
11:11 <@Dagmar> There's orders of magnitude difference.
11:11 <@dc0de> Dagmar, I know, I'm just too tired to explain it.
11:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Explain the bits in terms of the amount of time it takes to brute force it
11:13 <@Catonic> I went to a club, got drunk, started dancing, and got molested by a random girl.
11:13 <@dc0de> this is a company that should know better.
11:13 <@Dagmar> Cite Bruce's "Big Red Crypto Book"
11:13 <@Evilpig> Catonic: it was a guy
11:13 <@Dagmar> If you're having to deal with these sorts of issues, you should have a copy of Applied Cryptography around for reference.
11:13  * Catonic does.
11:14 <@dc0de> Dagmar, I do... I just don't have the strength right now to heft it.
11:14 <@dc0de> I'm still sick
11:14 <@Shadow_Phone> we know
11:14 <@Catonic> <insert Bruce Schnier joke here>
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11:25 <@I-MOD> did catonic just complain about getting rubbed on by some girl he didn't know? or was that his way of bragging?
11:26 <@Evilpig> %$@!%#$!#%!@$ I hate this douchebag in marietta
11:26 <@Evilpig> if I ever meet him face to face.  I am gonna punch him in the fuckin' dick
11:28 <@Evilpig> hired by this company to work on all the PCs in the plant yet this douche several states away removed my account regularly from the admin group so I can't install software, printers, etc.
11:28 <@Evilpig> then I have to walk my happy ass back up to the admin building to add myself back into the admin group so I can get my work done.
11:28 <@dc0de> Evilpig, give me his address, I'll get him for you.
11:29 <@Evilpig> mark a fergusson    somewhere in some state where there is a town of marietta.  not sure it's GA.  thinking maybe ohio
11:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: you could always remove him from the admin group next time
11:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: make him walk up from Marietta to fix it
11:30 <@Dementia> anybody know what I have to do on a windows 2k box to make changes to php.ini effective?
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11:31 <@Evilpig> I could.  but I was told by the contract signer here not to make waves
11:31 <@Evilpig> restart iis
11:31 <@dc0de> Dementia, sorry, I don't
11:31 <@Evilpig> same as l00nix
11:32 <@Dementia> thx pig
11:33 <@oddball> heh...somebody asked my boss if they could leave early due to the "blizard."  My boss laughed at them.
11:33 <@dc0de> is it snowing up there/
11:33 <@dc0de> ?
11:34 <@oddball> yep
11:34 <@I-MOD> its snowing down here
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11:34 <@I-MOD> surprisingly enough
11:34 <@I-MOD> flurries since last night
11:35 <@oddball> the dusting we had earlier has all melted, but it's started back up
11:35 <@I-MOD> we have 3mm drifts for bob's sake
11:35 <@dc0de> Wow
11:35 <@oddball> I-MOD: oh noes! need to hit the store for milk and bread!
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11:35 <@dc0de> beer, wine, and eggs!
11:35 <@vaneck> woo hoo!
11:36 <@dc0de> vaneck! sup my brotha!?
11:36 <@I-MOD> oddball, i can guarantee the stores are already filled with people
11:36 <@Dementia> blizzard. Hah. We have glaciers.
11:36 <@vaneck> not much...how's things?
11:36 <@dc0de> I'm sick...
11:36 <@oddball> I-MOD: as they probably are here too
11:36 <@vaneck> that sucks...just got over it myself
11:36 <@dc0de> yeah, it's the suck
11:36 <@vaneck> narcotic cough medicine and two days off work...that's the ticket
11:36 <@dc0de> ear infection, strep, bronchitis, and laryngitis
11:37 <@vaneck> ...maybe more than two days
11:37 <@dc0de> yeah, I've been home for three, so far.
11:38 <@dc0de> and I'm finally awake, for the first time in three days...
11:38 <@vaneck> well, welcome back to reality, sorry it isn't better
11:38 <@dc0de> I was in and out of consciousness for monday and tues.
11:38 <@dc0de> can I blame you?
11:39 <@vaneck> i suppose so
11:39 <@dc0de> then all is right with the world
11:39 <@dc0de> :)
11:39  * dc0de passes vaneck a cough drop
11:40 <@dc0de> vh1 classic is scary... the 80's music videos
11:41 <@vaneck> yeah...all those colors are NOT the result of the meds
11:42 <@dc0de> true
11:42 <@dc0de> true
11:43 <@critch> all this snow would be nice if it actually was acumulating.
11:44 <@I-MOD> or colored like those 80's videos
11:44 <@dc0de> oooh, hair bands
11:44 <@vaneck> don't eat the neon purple snow
11:45 <@dc0de> skid row... omg...
11:45 <@Dagmar> Isn't that a bit like "wow I haven't seen any herpes sores in awhile"
11:46 <@dc0de> Dagmar, sort of...
11:46 <@Dagmar> WEll, I'm going to go check out Zivity now. :)
11:46 <@dc0de> it's like saying, "Wow, ware hasn't embarrassed himself latetly.
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11:46 <@dc0de> Dagmar, hook a  brotha up!
11:46 <@Dagmar> Apply for the beta
11:47 <@dc0de> I did.
11:47 <@dc0de> can't you invite people?
11:47 <@Dagmar> Not that I'm aware of
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11:47 <@dc0de> ahh.
11:47 <@Dagmar> I'm still trying to figure out their revenue model
11:47 <@dc0de> sup somenothing
11:48 <@Dagmar> You can vote on photos, but you have to /buy/ votes
11:48 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to figure out why people would buy votes
11:48 <@somenothing> nothing at all.... and how is dc0de?
11:48 <@Dagmar> Doesn't seem super-compelling at the moment unless that's a membership fee
11:48  * dc0de is ill.
11:48 <@dc0de> very ill...
11:48 <@Dagmar> 80% of each vote turns into money going to the photog and model tho
11:48 <@Dagmar> That's a good thing
11:49 <@dc0de> Dagmar, that is true... it is.
11:49 <@somenothing> terribly sorry to hear that... happy meds?
11:49 <@dc0de> nope, just coughing, drinking water, sweating, headache, and more coughing.
11:50 <@dc0de> the worst part of sleep apnea, is that everything turns into bronchitis
11:51 <@somenothing> sounds like someone could use some morphine and a pack of newports.... that won't really do anything to help the situation, but you'll feel like you're smoking coughdrops and you won't give a shit that they're not working.....
11:52 <@Dagmar> I can see I'm going to have to talk to Cyan about the image scaling mechanism they're using for thumbnail generation
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11:53 <@Dagmar> dc0de: BY the way... Don't tell Rattle.
11:53 <@Dagmar> dc0de: If he hasn't gotten his invite, he will hate me
11:53 <@Dagmar> Heh
11:53 <@dc0de> heh
11:54 <@Dagmar> There's two galleries of Cyan on here I don't think we've ever even heard of before
11:54 <@Dagmar> Hot chix who know perl, php, and C roxor my boxors
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Anybody know off the top of their head the size of the TCP/IP headers?
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> 40 bytes
12:02 <@critch> I believe 40 bytes is standard, but there are standard ways of reducing it further
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: textbook says 40 bytes is minimum
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> They can be bigger, if you include any options
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12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> but 20 bytes apiece for TCP and IP
12:03 <@critch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jacobson_TCP/IP_Header_Compression
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12:04 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: I'm figuring the number of bytes it takes brute force a particular session ID
12:05 <@Corydon76-dig> So Van Jacobsen doesn't apply
12:07 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm figuring 200MB to brute force this session ID...
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12:22 < nightcarnage> am i mistaken or was/is there a gettogether at Ru Sans sometime soon?
12:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Who?
12:22 <@SkyDog_> I can be forced to eat at ru-san's
12:23 <@oddball> SkyDog_: taking one for the team, eh?
12:23 < nightcarnage> i must have been drunk.. i thought i read that the other day dono
12:24 <@SkyDog_> oddball: Man, they have some great sushi.
12:24 <@oddball> that reminds me... I could go for one of their chtulhu- I mean spider rolls
12:24 <@Evilpig> someone went for sushi and didn't invite me?  wtf!
12:24 <@oddball> and Naienko and I have a delayed valentine's day date set for friday...
12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: would you like to go eat sushi with me on Friday evening, then go back to my pad and snuggle?
12:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Sorry, man, it had to be said
12:27  * baudburn cranks up the breaks
12:27 <@brimstone> you're not sorry
12:28 <@Evilpig> well on that note.  off to walk over hte acid tanks
12:28 <@Evilpig> if I fall in you will just have to wonder now if it was an accident or not
12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: there are guys I'd fall over myself to sleep with, and then there are guys I just like pulling their chain...
12:29 <@Evilpig> chain is code
12:29 <@baudburn> hehe pulling their chain
12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Pig is somewhere in the middle
12:30 <@Evilpig> how exactly do I tip the scales one way or another?
12:31 <@someninjamaster> since when do things that come from the onion show up on slashdot
12:31 <@Evilpig> wait... I know.  I bet if I start eating alot of spicy food and asparagus I won't be on the want list
12:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: It's a nice gray area
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: do you really want to be on my reject list of people I'd never sleep with?
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12:33 <@dc0de> I do.
12:33 <@Corydon76-dig> And more particularly, would you want me to tell you if you were on that list?
12:33 <@dc0de> yes
12:34 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: some guys would consider it an insult
12:34 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, but it doesn't matter, I know you don't think that I'm sexy.
12:34 <@dc0de> I don't. truth is often unflattering.
12:36 <@Evilpig> dc0de: you're hot.  rawr
12:37 <@Evilpig> gonna go yak now.  that was hard to say
12:37 <@dc0de> Evilpig, coming from you, that's an insult.
12:37 -!- Corydon76-dig changed the topic of #se2600 to: http://outerz0ne.org/ Mar 21-23 | Call 770-384-0080 and mention group "outerz0ne" for the $79/night rate | <Evilpig> dc0de: you're hot.  rawr
12:37 <@Evilpig> randy just connected into my session and saw that last line about spicy food and asparagus
12:38 <@Evilpig> that will take some explaining next week.  lol
12:43 <@Shadow_Phone> have you ever had those occasions where you keep talking when you try to tell your stuff to stop, but just cant
12:44 <@Shadow_Phone> im compltely having one of those days
12:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow_Phone: so today would be the day to get you drunk...
12:45 <@Evilpig> define stuff
12:49 <@Shadow_Phone> *yourself
12:49 <@Shadow_Phone> Corydon76-dig: im not that bad even when im drunk unless im depressed
12:49 <@Shadow_Phone> which im not
12:50 <@Shadow_Phone> i think my add is kicking in big time today
12:50 <@dc0de> mmm, zz-tom
12:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow_Phone: or that you're more distracted than usual
12:50 <@dc0de> zz-top even
12:51 <@Shadow_Phone> dc0de: that explains alot about decius
12:51  * Corydon76-dig is listening to Beethoven's 3rd
12:51  * Shadow_Phone is listening to trance music
12:52 <@dc0de> zz-tom... indeed.
12:52  * baudburn is cranking breaks
12:52 <@dc0de> good choice Corydon76-dig
12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> It's the BBC's recordings they posted last year
12:52 <@dc0de> mm, '33 split window coupe
12:52 <@Shadow_Phone> i like beethovens 42nd tbh
12:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow_Phone: that would be Notturno in D Major
12:54 <@Corydon76-dig> (for piano and viola)
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12:59 <@dc0de> AC/DC - Hells Bells.
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13:10 <@macogw> if John the Ripper says "crash recovery file is locked" is there anything i can do, or do i have to start over?
13:10 <@sdodson> unlock it
13:11 <@macogw> what makes it locked? im used to a lock meaning there's a file named lock somewhere and it's existence makes it locked
13:22 <@dc0de> I found the best television channel for a sick day...
13:22 <@dc0de> the military channel.
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13:34 <@macogw> sdodson: well thats interesting. somehow the john the ripper process was already running...but when i came upon my computer it was at the login screen like it had rebooted while i was out (wouldn't be surprising since i'm alpha testing this os)
13:34 <@macogw> i guess it logged me out without killing my processes...or something
13:36 <@SkyDog_> wontonjoe: you around?
13:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Hopefully he's off figuring out which core APID router is going down every 2 minutes
13:48 <@tzanger> going down like a $2 hooker?
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> I've never had any hooker, let alone a $2 one
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13:59 <@Evilpig> corydon: just slide ware $2 and then you can say you have to both
14:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: if only I was desperate
14:02 <@dc0de> I've found the best channel for "stay at home - sick" daytime tv.
14:03 <@Corydon76-dig> History channel?
14:03 <@dc0de> Military Channel
14:03 <@dc0de> you were close tho'
14:03 <@Corydon76-dig> anything to help you sleep
14:03 <@dc0de> heh.
14:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Hallmark or Lifetime works well for putting me to sleep, too
14:04 <@Evilpig> didn't you already say that dc0de?
14:04 <@dc0de> Evilpig, yeah, so?
14:05 <@dc0de> I'm sick... gimme a break.
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14:24 <@sdodson> Anyone have suggestions on what the easiest way to find pa-risc kit to run HP-UX v11.0, v11i v1, 11i v2?
14:24 <@ShadowHntr> it's snowing w00t
14:24 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: rephrase - you have the HP-UX software or the PA-RISC hardware
14:24 <@ShadowHntr> which do you need
14:25 <@ShadowHntr> the software or the hardware
14:28 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: both
14:29 <@ShadowHntr> http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-HP-UX-Enterprise-OE-LTU-1-CPU_W0QQitemZ310020464937QQihZ021QQcategoryZ11175QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
14:31 <@ShadowHntr> http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-9000-rp2450-A500-SERVER-440MHz-PROC-512MB-RAM-DC_W0QQitemZ220206283031QQihZ012QQcategoryZ73322QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
14:31 <@ShadowHntr> you'd need a +48V DC power supply for that server though...
14:32 <@sdodson> ya ya, that's what I'd like to know, mainly model numbers to search for
14:32 <@sdodson> i'm sure i can get the bits/licenses for free
14:35 <@sdodson> so like hp 9000?
14:35 <@sdodson> assume i know nothing about this stuff
14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: you need a spare room heater?
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14:43 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: hp 9000 yeah
14:43 <@ShadowHntr> not sure if you can get HP-UX for free :/
14:46 <@sdodson> i'm sure I can.
14:47 <@sdodson> maybe even the hardware too
14:48 <@ShadowHntr> lol
14:49 <@ShadowHntr> i know you can get OpenVMS for free though
14:49 <@ShadowHntr> legally.
14:49 <@ShadowHntr> for hobbyist use
14:49 <@sdodson> I plan on just asking nicely.
14:49 <@ShadowHntr> hehehehehe
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14:58 < ware> Dolemite: ping pongalong
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15:06 <@Shadow_Phone> dc0de: jsut for you, must watch!!! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s&feature=bz301
15:06 <@dc0de> in a few... busy atm
15:08 <@Shadow_Phone> kk
15:12 <@dc0de> wow... I really want one.
15:12 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, pretty tight
15:13 <@dc0de> 'cept it's a glock, it's awesome.
15:19 <@Dolemite> ware : pongalicious
15:28 <@rhia> http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/bedmounted_shotguns_7779.asp
15:29 <@dc0de> rhia, I love you.
15:29 <@SkyDog_> HEY! I love her more.
15:29 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, don't fuck with me... I'm sick
15:30 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Pussy. Geez. :)
15:30 <@dc0de> :)
15:30 <@dc0de> did you watch the commercial?
15:30 <@dc0de> http://www.the-backup.com/buy/commercial.php
15:31 <@dc0de> gotta go get my son from school
15:31 <@dc0de> bbiab
15:31 <@SkyDog_> Don;t you mean my son? Wait. Nevermind.
15:32 <@Dolemite> SkyDog_ : Do you *really* want to pay more child support?
15:32 <@SkyDog_> Heh. Good point.
15:34 <@dc0de> `too late...
15:35 <@Shadow_Phone> lawl
15:35 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, it's not like you visit.
15:35 <@Shadow_Phone> i like how at the end of the commerical it says: "the backup is not inteded for use i the homes of children"
15:35 <@Shadow_Phone> lawl
15:36 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: The drive takes forever, and we end of fighting on who's gonna sit in daddy's chair.
15:36 <@SkyDog_> I hate conflict.
15:36 <@dc0de> heh...
15:36 <@dc0de> and if my wife ever sees this text....
15:37  * Shadow_Phone composes email to Ms. dcode
15:37 <@SkyDog_> we're both fucked... or not.
15:37 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, that will be the end of your life, as you know it.
15:37 <@dc0de> and the start of the torture that you'll have to endure until SkyDog_ and I decide to be merciful.
15:38 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, what's new w/you?
15:40 < ware> Dolemite: whens you planning the hike
15:42 <@Shadow_Phone> dc0de: lawl
15:43 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Just working on the Oz stuff.
15:43 <@remoford> are any of yall loyal Tennesseans ready to fight for your state in the war of georgian aggression?
15:44 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, sweet... looks like we're going to have fun.
15:44 <@dc0de> remoford, just bring us water, and be quick about it.
15:45 <@remoford> gonna bring yall lead
15:45 <@Shadow_Phone> remoford: and make sure to gag the winch that is dolly pardon for us too
15:45 <@dc0de> err, excuse Shadow_Phone he doesn't know how to speel.
15:46 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Yup! Been on the phone with the printer over the shirts and the swag.
15:46 <@Shadow_Phone> grr, im to busy to fix my spelling
15:46 <@dc0de> nice!
15:46 <@dc0de> wife asks me to get my son from Karate, and she has my keys.
15:47 <@dc0de> that doesn't work so well.
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15:47 <@Dolemite> ware : April 12 for the hike
15:59 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, when you come down, do you have room to take back up a large sat dish for HC?
16:00 < ware> kthnx
16:00 <@SkyDog_> Define large.
16:01 <@dc0de> it's in separate pieces, one of the 6' dishes
16:01 <@dc0de> with the 110v linear actuator
16:01 < ware> mudflap was wanting one
16:02 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm. We'll have to chat about that one.
16:02 <@SkyDog_> He may be coming down, and between the two of us, we'll get it back.
16:02 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, I can see you shooting a 30mile + wifi signal.
16:02 <@SkyDog_> Heh.
16:02 <@dc0de> http://cgi.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=1543829&convertTo=USD
16:02 <@SkyDog_> The HC needs one on the roof to scan the nashville skyline.
16:02 <@dc0de> Here's one way to get my Harley.
16:04 <@SkyDog_> Heh. Yeah, that's a way...
16:04 <@dc0de> not a bad price.
16:05 <@freakn> Skydog, did you say you made a hard cider once?
16:05 <@SkyDog_> freakn: Yeah.
16:05 <@SkyDog_> Dolemite gave me the recipe.
16:06 <@SkyDog_> I still have 5 gallons of apple juice to make the next batch.
16:06 <@freakn> did you find any apple cider without potassium sorbate in it?  Every thing we find has that yeast killing chemical in it, and it gives you nasty hangovers
16:07 <@freakn> the last batch we brewed got to 13%, but have more than 2 in one day and you got a headache
16:09 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm. tree top is what we used, I think.
16:09 <@SkyDog_> I will check when I get hom.
16:11 <@freakn> ya, the ingrediants would be like "water, apples, sugar, potassium sorbate spices".  Did your cider take a little over a month, or more like 3-4 months to ferment?
16:11 <@SkyDog_> little over a month.
16:12 <@freakn> ya, you probably had perservative free
16:12 <@freakn> good times
16:13 <@freakn> I need to find "Tree Top"
16:13 <@SkyDog_> Lemme confirm it first.
16:15 <@dc0de> is there a place that shows how many contributors there are for particular distributions of linux?
16:16 <@SkyDog_> Not that I know of. Course, I just abandon that kiddie stuff and use a real OS. FreeBSD. :)
16:16  * SkyDog_ waits the for the arguments to erupt.
16:16 <@dc0de> distrowatch... found it.
16:17 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, whichever...
16:17 <@dc0de> :P
16:17 <@SkyDog_> Sigh. you try to get a fight going, and nobody goes for it.
16:17 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, remember, I'm sick.
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Some of us are working...
16:18 <@dc0de> good answer Corydon76-dig
16:18 <@SkyDog_> Um, yeah. like I believe that Corydon76-dig.
16:18 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, next you're going to tell me that KDE is the best window manager.
16:19 <@dc0de> amazing, freeBSD is on the top 10 distro's list...
16:19 <@dc0de> at the bottom of the list.... but on it all the same.
16:19 <@dc0de> Cons: Tends to lag behind Linux in terms of support for exotic hardware, limited availability of commercial applications; lacks graphical configuration tools
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Nah, fvwm is the best window manager
16:20 <@dc0de> fv?
16:20 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, they tend to do things by committee, so it takes a little longer.
16:20 <@SkyDog_> but their stuff is pretty rock solid.
16:20 <@dc0de> yeah, because development by committee always works well.
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: fvwm was one of the first that had support for launching applications by icon
16:21 <@Corydon76-dig> It was a bitch to configure
16:21 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig, not familiar with it.
16:21 <@dc0de> looking now
16:21 <@dc0de> ahh, that
16:22 <@Corydon76-dig> but it was small and fast, which was a plus, back when we were running machines with 8MB RAM
16:22 <@dc0de> true
16:22 <@dc0de> I like afterstep
16:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Now that I have memory to spare, I use KDE
16:23 <@dc0de> I prefer gnome to kde
16:23 <@Corydon76-dig> gnome doesn't get out of my way and let me work...
16:24 <@ShadowHntr> window maker's one of my favorites :)
16:24 <@ShadowHntr> i remember compiling afterstep on an HP 9000 running HP-UX
16:24 <@ShadowHntr> man was it a bitch to get compiled
16:24 <@ShadowHntr> but when i did
16:24 <@ShadowHntr> it was rather nice
16:24 <@dc0de> w00hoo!
16:24 <@ShadowHntr> but took up 2 of the 8 procs on the mainframe lol
16:24 <@dc0de> I remember running a nextstep server in 1992
16:25 <@ShadowHntr> i *so* wanted to play with nextstep :)
16:25 <@dc0de> back when they sold both hardware and software.
16:25 <@Corydon76-dig> I remember running an Apple IIe platinum in 1992
16:25 <@ShadowHntr> anyone here get to play with beos?
16:25 <@dc0de> an ISP in Belfast Northern Ireland had it...
16:25 <@dc0de> ShadowHntr, yeah, it was "ok".
16:25 <@dc0de> but unstable.
16:25 <@ShadowHntr> how about AmigaOS
16:25 <@dc0de> I skipped the amiga thing
16:38 <@SkyDog_> freakn: It was Mott's apple juice that we used.
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17:07 <@dc0de> who here knows evolution well?
17:13 <@sdodson> evolution --force-shutdown  is all you need to know
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17:14 <@sdodson> I use it daily, but don't know if that means I know much about it.
17:15 <@SkyDog_> I'm watching the wifirace awards video from PN last year.
17:15 <@SkyDog_> Geez, I love the people we hang with.
17:16 <@sdodson> were you drizunk?
17:16 <@SkyDog_> I was buzzed on Dole's drinks.
17:16 <@dc0de> sdodson, where are all the configs stored?
17:16 <@sdodson> Dole never gives me drinks :(
17:16 <@sdodson> dc0de: gconf probably
17:16 <@dc0de> k
17:17 <@SkyDog_> Heh, you just have to work on a con with him.
17:23 <@wontonjoe> hi SkyDog_
17:24 <@SkyDog_> wontonjoe: Did you submit a paper for OZ?
17:24 <@wontonjoe> I got my return from my grant for college, this means i can afford outerzone for sure!, no i did not submit anyhtin
17:24 <@wontonjoe> anything even
17:25 <@SkyDog_> Ok. I thought tha tyou had, but could not find it in my email.
17:25 <@wontonjoe> the keynote presentation is halfway done But i had no intention of doing that discussion on the books
17:25 <@wontonjoe> im bringing my friend who works for godaddy, he is flying in from pheonix
17:26 <@SkyDog_> Nice!
17:26 <@SkyDog_> Who said you're doing a keynote?
17:26 <@wontonjoe> ya, hes pretty cool, ive been friends with him since high school, he just happened to be headed to ga that day for a wedding for a few hours friday and needed a ride
17:26 <@wontonjoe> lol
17:26 <@wontonjoe> i use keynote on osx
17:27 <@wontonjoe> with my anxiety id be likely not even to do a sidenote
17:27 <@SkyDog_> Heh.
17:27 <@wontonjoe> i dont like getting up in front of crowds
17:27 <@SkyDog_> I hear ya.
17:28 <@wontonjoe> ive got to get a charger the ex had the same type of phone that im using in that thing, well she took the charger
17:28 <@SkyDog_> cunt.
17:28 <@wontonjoe> phone was on my account, so ill enjoy seeing her try to use it, since its reported lost or stolen, she ended up only nabbing a camera with a 1 gig card and a laptop power supply out of all my things
17:29 <@wontonjoe> dude ive got an 1100 sq ft bachelor pad its awesome, now all i need is friends lol
17:30 <@brimstone> when's the party?
17:30 <@sdodson> wontonjoe: what's his name?
17:31 <@wontonjoe> brimstone i foresee a problem, you guys work weekdays i work 6-6 weekends
17:31 <@sdodson> I dunno when, but the party is in my pants!
17:31 <@wontonjoe> sdodson: alan
17:31 <@wontonjoe> bbl class
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17:32 <@wontonjoe> still here just slow to respond
17:33 <@sdodson> I'm always slow.
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17:40 <@wontonjoe> hi slowdodson
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17:53 <@Catonic> dammit... my car is sidelined again. There's an air leak in the blinker manifold.
17:53 <@sdodson> blinker manifold?
17:53 <@sdodson> lights controlled by.... pneumatics?
17:54  * I-MOD hopes there is some explanation forthcoming
17:54 <@sdodson> I-MOD: I try not to get my hopes up when having conversations with Catonic.  He's a habitual drive by offender.
17:54 <@Catonic> Car's twelve years old... stuff wears out.
17:55 <@Catonic> and that's been bashed.
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18:53 <@ShadowHntr> this is what i have to say to people who refuse to wear a seatbelt
18:53 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.stuff.co.nz/4411639a6479.html
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18:59 <@buu> Those people still exist?
18:59 <@Shadow_Phone> ShadowHntr: the weed, other drugs or not wearing the seatbelt part?
18:59 <@ShadowHntr> Shadow_Phone: not wearing the seatbelt
18:59 <@Catonic> Why, God, why couldn't it have been ware...
18:59 <@Shadow_Phone> id say all the above when it comes to drving
18:59 <@Shadow_Phone> Catonic: you sadistic fuck
18:59 <@Catonic> Present!
18:59 <@Shadow_Phone> lawl
19:00 <@ShadowHntr> why does a person take all that effort to create a fake seatbelt when it's so damn easy to just use the real one :P
19:00 <@Catonic> Because, dammit, he *knows* what is right, and that seatbelt was just getting in his way for @reasons.
19:01 <@Shadow_Phone> because some people are stupid are stupid stubborn fucks and the only reason their alive is because its illegal to kill them
19:18 <@dasunt> I suppose I should actually make a Real Dinner.
19:19 <@dasunt> Shadow_Phone: I have a theory about why women prefer assholes that hinges on the fact that it is illegal to kill them.
19:19 <@Shadow_Phone> explain?
19:20 <@dasunt> Basically, it is the whole alpha male thing.
19:20 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah
19:20 <+coil> hi dasunt, are you drunk?
19:20 <@dasunt> But in this society, a dipshit asshole who acts like an alpha male doesn't get his head split open or his throat slit by someone he pisses off.
19:20 <@dasunt> coil: Not yet!
19:20 <@dc0de> shadow is agreeing with him, he must be drunk
19:25 <@Shadow_Phone> well, hes right about the last part
19:25 <@Shadow_Phone> thats the only reason they dont get dismissed
19:26 <@Catonic> dasunt: it has more to do with the fact that they are independent, and take the world at thier own accord.
19:26 <@Catonic> In a world of sheep, the wolves stand out.
19:32 <@dasunt> Catonic: I disagree.
19:32 <@dasunt> Being able to walk just because honorable people don't want to sit in prison for 7 years physically imparting a lesson doesn't make you a wolf.
19:33 <@dasunt> Maybe a weasel.
19:33  * Catonic headdesks.
19:33 <@Catonic> d'night
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19:55 <@dc0de> the world is full of sheep, wolves and sheepdogs.
19:55 <@dc0de> 97% sheep, 1% wolves and 1% sheepdogs.
19:56 <@dc0de> it's not about figuring out who the wolves are, it's about differentiating the wolves from the sheepdogs.
19:56 <@sdodson> dc0de: did you find your configs?
19:57 <@dc0de> sdodson, actually I forgot... you just reminded me.
19:57 <@dc0de> sdodson is my add alarm.
19:57 <@sdodson> I'm pretty sure all that shit is in gconf, if not try .evolution
19:58 <@dc0de> yup.
19:58 <@dc0de> I'm clearing it all out so I can do a clean install.
19:58 <@dc0de> too many old failed account setups.
19:58 <@dc0de> there's a huge set in .gconf/apps
19:59 <@dc0de> and .evolution
19:59 <@sdodson> ya, evo sucks for that
19:59 <@sdodson> Like I had an exchange account I had configured and now it won't go away.
19:59 <@sdodson> I ended up just uninstalling the exchange plugin.
19:59 <@dc0de> and since it's part of the gnome desktop, it's a bitch.
20:01 <@dc0de> cleaning....
20:01 <@dc0de> scrub...scrub...scrub...
20:01 <@dc0de> sdodson, you're going to be famous for this...
20:05 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, ping
20:13 <@sdodson> dc0de: for what?
20:13 <@sdodson> http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2008/02/24/i-will-give-you-1000-if/
20:13 <@dc0de> for helping me.
20:13 <@sdodson> ok
20:13 <@dc0de> that's hilarious.
20:13 <@sdodson> dc0de: there's gconf-editor which may make editting things easier than mucking around with the files themselves
20:14 <@dc0de> I'll check it out.
20:14 <@dc0de> is the package gconf-editor by chance?
20:15 <@dc0de> holy shit.
20:15 <@dc0de> I have a LOT of software installed.
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20:22 <@sdodson> you're running ubuntu aren't you? :)
20:22 <@dc0de> sdodson, yup.
20:23 <@sdodson> it's a registry, but better, we promise
20:23 <@sdodson> just trust us!
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20:42 <@dasunt> Yah!
20:42 <@dasunt> There's a gnome registry cleaner, btw.
20:43 <@dasunt> Forget the name of it.
20:44 <@Dagmar> It's amazing just how long people can stay stupid
20:45 <@Dagmar> I suppose something with bulging, vacant eyes, and a head leaning back and to the left with the tongue lolling out would be very police
20:45 <@Dagmar> wrong chan
20:51 <@dc0de> Dagmar, again?
20:59 < cwire> so dc0de, you'll probably get a laugh out of this...me and a buddy went out drinking last night so we drank pitchers until last call and were going to go to a strip club since i've never been, just wanted to say i'd been, so we got there at like 3 and it was closed so we went to this other bar on the other side of town that was really run down.  So the bartender is MASSIVE and since i'd been...
20:59 < cwire> ...drinking killian's all night i asked if they had any "nope", "how about a bud?", "that's not what you're getting" so he gave me a yuengling, and you know, i'm not exactly in the best position to be arguing with a dude like 10 times my size :)
21:00 <@dc0de> and?
21:01 <@dc0de> Yingling is the oldest brewery in America.
21:01 <@dc0de> Yuengling even
21:01 < cwire> :)\
21:01 <@dc0de> it's only brewed in Pottsville, PA, and Tampa FL.
21:01 < cwire> yeah
21:01 <@dc0de> it's great beer
21:02 <@dc0de> http://www.yuengling.com/history.htm
21:02 < cwire> oh i liked it, just the fact that this massive biker dude is like "you'll drink this" i thought was pretty funny
21:03 <@dc0de> that's hilarious.
21:03 <@dc0de> did you call him Jim?
21:04 < cwire> hahaha, no
21:04 <@dc0de> we need to get several cases for Outerz0ne
21:04 < cwire> his name was "hoss" or however he wants to spell it and i didn't ask questions
21:05 < cwire> so you're going to be able to make it?
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21:07 <@dc0de> yeah, I'm going to Outerz0ne, it's in my backyard, I have to go...
21:07 <@dc0de> or SkyDog_ won't send me Christmas cards!
21:07 < cwire> awesome
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21:08 <@dc0de> and SkyDog_ has awesome Christmas Cards!
21:08 < cwire> me and roger still need to reserve a room.  strick was up at school hanging out with us yesterday a bit and i think he said they're out of doubles and just kings left?
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21:08 <@dc0de> I'm not worried.
21:10 < cwire> cool
21:10 < cwire> well, outerz0ne is my backyard too compared to phreaknic, so i hope i get a christmas card!
21:12 <@dc0de> my daughter is talking to the cat... "You better stay out of my room, I don't like it when you go in there."
21:12 < cwire> lmao
21:12 <@dc0de> like the cat understands, or even if it did, it cared.
21:12 <@dc0de> why did I have to have a blond daughter?
21:12 < yarg> lol
21:12 < cwire> lol
21:13 < cwire> blonds might be weeded out when you can select all the attributes of your child in the not too distant future :-P
21:16 <@Dagmar> The cat understands.
21:16 <@Dagmar> It just doesn't care.
21:23 <@ShadowHntr> whoa
21:23 <@ShadowHntr> staring at a turquoise background for 10 minutes
21:23 <@ShadowHntr> then suddenly switching to here with a white bkground
21:23 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
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21:31 <@sdodson> I don't really like Yuengling
21:31 <@sdodson> I'd never heard of it until I moved to North Carolina
21:33 < yarg> yuengling is the shit
21:33 < yarg> mmmm
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21:34 < cwire> it's not bad
21:35 < cwire> hadn't had it before the big biker guy said that's what i'm having though :)
21:39 <@sdodson> http://sdodson.com/2.mp3 krad, Mr. Warez, and Fred
21:39 <@sdodson> First segment.
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22:10 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't see what the big deal is.  Just because his full name is John Hitler McCain doesn't mean anything.
22:13 <@juice> and neither does Barack Hussein Obama's full name mean anything:P
22:14 <@Corydon76-dig> juice: hence the joke.  McCain's middle name is actually Sidney
22:15 <@juice> yeah I know
22:15 <@sdodson> Sidney is a hip name.
22:15 <@sdodson> Reminds me of Lake Lanier which is goodness.
22:16 <@sdodson> A co-worker tells me that he won't vote for Obama due to his middle name.
22:16 < cwire> a hussein has already lead a country though, so he's got experience :P
22:16 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: So how is intarweb dating working?
22:17 <@Corydon76-dig> The jury is still out.
22:18 <@dasunt> Oh?
22:19 <@sdodson> I read that as if you implied this country.
22:20 <@Corydon76-dig> cwire: I often wonder if that's the reason W won
22:20 <@Corydon76-dig> cwire: He's certainly been the worst president of the last 50 years
22:20 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: You aren't counting Nixon or carter?
22:20 < cwire> lol
22:21 <@Corydon76-dig> No, I think Nixon was a good president... Bad campaigner, but good president
22:21 <@dasunt> How about JFK?
22:21 <@dasunt> Being serious, btw.
22:21 <@Corydon76-dig> JFK was excellent as a president
22:21 <@dasunt> He was?
22:21 <@dasunt> Why?
22:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Had a few crises, got us through them safely
22:22 <@dasunt> Are you including his handling of the Vietnam war?
22:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Vietnam wasn't a huge problem until Johnson
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22:23 <@dasunt> What about the whole Cuban fiasco?
22:23 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: I think that was a good ending to Soviet aggression
22:24 <@dasunt> I'm talking stuff like Bay of Pigs.
22:25 <@sdodson> crisis
22:25 <@dasunt> Interestingly, btw, Kennedy was involved in Iraq.
22:25 <@dasunt> He supported the coup against the king that put the Baaths in power.
22:27 <@dasunt> Btw, what made Cuba Soviet aggression?
22:27 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: Cuban Missile Crisis
22:28 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: Isn't that tit-for-tat when compared to our missiles in Turkey?
22:28 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: and it was an excellent play by Kennedy
22:29 <@dasunt> It was a PR masterpiece.
22:29 <@dasunt> Considering that in the end, the US removed its missiles from Turkey.
22:29 <@dasunt> But that wasn't public.
22:29 <@dasunt> Hell, our missiles were in Turkey before theirs were in Cuba.
22:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, but it was due to the Soviet Union's habit of invading nearby countries
22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Turkey asked for the missiles to ensure it wouldn't happen to them
22:31 <@dasunt> So we were the good guys.
22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Of course.  We usually are.
22:31 <@dasunt> Who wouldn't give Castro our word that we wouldn't invade Cuba if he removed thee missiles.
22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> That's what makes the past 8 years so shameful.
22:32 <@Corydon76-dig> We've lost the high ground in the PR war
22:32 <@dasunt> I don't think we had as high of a ground as we think we had.
22:32 <@hobbes615> the prime minister from the czech republic was in the office yesterday talking about missle defense system we're probably putting in their country
22:33 <@dasunt> hobbes615: I was listening to Bush talk aboout that today.
22:33 <@dasunt> Yippie, we can shoot down the terrorists missiles.  In good weather.  If they give us advanced warning.  And they only shoot a few.
22:33 <@hobbes615> ya, it was interesting
22:33 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: perception is often different from reality
22:33 <@sdodson> especially since dasunt is drunk
22:34 <@dasunt> I'm mostly sober.
22:34 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: but the perception now is that the US will torture people if it serves their interests
22:34 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: Yep, and that's wrong.
22:34 <@Corydon76-dig> The worst conspiracies have been confirmed
22:34 <@dasunt> But that's the way it is.
22:34 <@sdodson> You know I'd almost be down for torture if I thought it was actually making a significant difference in reducing the general threat of terrorism.
22:35 <@sdodson> But the only way to do that is to stop being the planet's bully.
22:35 <@Corydon76-dig> If Bush had never gone into Iraq, he could have been judged as a good president
22:35 <@dasunt> OTOH, I'm not too sure that the US was really loved in 1960s Iraq either, considering that after the Baaths were put in power, they went on one of the local Kurd-killing sprees that seems endemic to the region.
22:35 <@Corydon76-dig> and Shiites, too
22:35 <@dasunt> And we did support Israel at the time as well.
22:36 <@dasunt> It hadn't been too long since the 1930s.
22:36 <@Corydon76-dig> That was all in the name of "containing Communism"
22:36 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: And exporting Capitalism.
22:36  * dasunt sighs.
22:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Vietnam, too
22:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Ironically, exporting capitalism didn't work until after the Soviet Union fell
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22:37 <@dasunt> Gotta love the Middle East.  I halfway think that everyone wakes up, takes their crazy pills, and does a quick mental rundown of who "us" are and who "them-aka-target-practice" are.
22:37 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: at least they don't drink
22:38 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: that is the problem in the Baltics
22:38 <@dasunt> Baltics don't seem that messed up to me.
22:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Balkans, rather
22:38 <@sdodson> Baltic Ave
22:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Baltics have the same infighting as everywhere else
22:39 <@Corydon76-dig> but the people in the Balkans have a long history of drinking
22:39 <@dasunt> sdodson: I got Broadway Ave.  And a hotel!
22:39  * sdodson just steals from the bank in order to buy dasunt out
22:40 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: So do the Finns, but it doesn't seem to hurt them.  ;)
22:40 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: it's said that you can understand the fighting in the Balkans if you just consider it one big, continuous bar brawl
22:40 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: I consider the Balkans to be more of a clash of cultures.
22:40 <@dasunt> With a lot of us-vs-them mentality.
22:40 <@Corydon76-dig> us-vs-them happens everywhere, even here in the US
22:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Thankfully, fighting doesn't often break out here, and when it does, it's very isolated
22:41 <@dasunt> US doesn't seem to be as bad at it.
22:41 <@dasunt> Population is too dynamic, too mobile.
22:41 <@Corydon76-dig> We don't have many families that have lived on the same soil for the past 500 years
22:42 <@dasunt> To be fair, I doubt the Balkans have had the same family on the same farm for 500 years.
22:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Even for 300
22:42 <@dasunt> Populations are too dynamic.
22:42 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: some of them have
22:42 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: I suspect that they are the very small exception, rather than the rule.
22:43 <@Corydon76-dig> A good number of the population are still farmers, remember
22:43 <@dasunt> Lets see, 500 years ago would be 1507, right?
22:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Some of the infighting can be traced back to grazing disputes
22:44 <@Corydon76-dig> or a perceived insult to somebody's great-great-great-great-great grandfather
22:44 <@dasunt> Damn, my European history sucks.
22:45 <@dasunt> I have to google for maps of the Ottomans in the Balkans at what dates.
22:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Most of the reasons for why your family hates that family have been lost to time, however
22:45 <@dasunt> That's one explanation.
22:46 <@dasunt> I want to say that the rugged terrain seperates people, but the fact that more than a few peoples and nations have either marched through the region or tried to occupy it makes the region a tad hostile to strangers.
22:49 <@dasunt> And there's the good ol "your farm would make a nice my farm" that most of history suffers from.
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22:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, damn, that's too bad.  William F Buckley died today.
22:57 <+coil_> dasunt:
22:57 <+coil_> <green> We vegetarians love the environment. carnivores are sick freaks.
22:57 <+coil_> <Frank> How can vegetarians possibly love the environment.. you keep eating all the fucking plants
22:57 <@Catonic> lol
23:01 <@sdodson> Lots of people are urging others to become vegs after the slaughter house drama in cowifornia
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23:01 <@dasunt> What drama is that?
23:02 <@Corydon76-dig> I wouldn't advocate becoming vegetarian, but it's clear that Americans eat too much meat for their own good
23:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Or too much red meat, anyway.  Americans should eat more fish.
23:03 <@sdodson> dasunt: slaughter of cows that weren't capable of walking
23:03 <@dasunt> Oh, I've heard about that before.
23:03 <@sdodson> dasunt: http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/horrorshow/
23:04 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: downed cattle?
23:04 <@sdodson> good link as it has links to video and all the talk about you needing to be a veg
23:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Often seen as an early sign of Mad Cow Disease
23:07 <@Catonic> s/meat//
23:08  * Catonic is a practicing vegetarian
23:10 <@Catonic> must find ways to cook tofu
23:10 <@Catonic> but first, I sleep
23:14 <@dasunt> LoL:  "Small Florida deer have been turning up inside the digestive tracts of Everglades pythons, which has alarmed deer lovers and also the deer."
23:15 <@dasunt> I think this author has snapped:
23:15 <@dasunt> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/02/21/MNABV5PP3.DTL
23:15 <+coil_> <Typhlosion> In Spanish channels, do they use !list¡ ?
23:18 <@dasunt> Maybe ?listi¿
23:22 <+coil_> <ODD> optimism is having a ups on a win95 box
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23:30 <@dasunt> Wow.
23:30 <@dasunt> Okay, I'm acting sober, right?
23:30 <@dasunt> And lucid?
23:31 <@dasunt> Oh, nevermind.
23:34 <@dasunt> Warlock is German.
23:34 <@dasunt> Forgot about that.
23:34 <@dasunt> I was trying to figure out which amazon reseller is shipping me an import CD.
23:44 <+coil> hi dasunt
23:44 <+coil> you vegan
23:44 <+coil> YOU FUCKING VEGAN
23:47 <@dasunt> Yes I am.
23:47 <@dasunt> So where are the cute conservative vegan babes for me.
23:49 <@brimstone> out smoking weed with their strung out loser boyfriends
23:49 <@dasunt> G'damnit.
23:49 <@brimstone> dasunt: get out, get laid
23:49 <@dasunt> I'm so much better.
23:49 <@dasunt> I work for a living and only get intoxicated *afterwords*
23:50 <@dasunt> Oh, I'm so tempted to post an ad on craigslist right now for cute vegan babes who just dumped their loser boyfriend.
23:50 <@brimstone> why hold back?
23:50 <@brimstone> it's just craig's list
23:50 <@brimstone> you see all the other crap that's out there
23:51 <@dasunt> Booze is involved.
23:51 <+coil> dasunt: dead
23:51 <@dasunt> coil: I'm alice and well.
23:51 <+coil> this "hd" doesn't look too hd
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23:53 <+coil> signal quality 100%
23:54 <+coil> signal strength avg 70%
23:54 <+coil> woot inside intenna
23:54 <@dasunt> Monster cables will make your 'O's rounder and '1's crisper.
23:54 <+coil> stfu dasunt
23:54 <+coil> i only steal monster cables from other people
23:54 <+coil> dasunt: i love it when peoople buy those $100 hdmi cables
23:55 <@dasunt> I've only heard of one justification for monster cables that makes sense.
23:55 <@dasunt> According to a musician I talked to, they can take an amazing amount of abuse.
23:56  * coil abuses his "monster cablr"
23:56 <+coil> cable...
23:56 <@dasunt> I thought your cable has a restraining order against you.
23:57 <+coil> no
23:57 <+coil> im restraining it right now
23:57  * coil chokes it more
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