--- Log opened Tue Feb 26 00:00:02 2008
00:06 <@someninjamaster> anyone use one of these
00:06 <@someninjamaster> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/91a2/
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00:16 < Synx_hm> Any wrt56g types up this late?
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00:21 < Genphlux> Sooo....long time no see
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00:25 <@someninjamaster> sup synx
00:25 < Synx_hm> ::(
00:25 < Synx_hm> i cant remember this firmware i put on my wrt56gl
00:25 <@someninjamaster> doh
00:25 < Synx_hm> and i cant seem to tftp into it to flash it back to tomato
00:26 < Synx_hm> and i am not anywhere near home, ie 5000miles away and not going back soon
00:26 < Synx_hm> not happy am i
00:26 <@someninjamaster> ouch
00:26 < Synx_hm> any ideas
00:26 < Synx_hm> the router is right here infront of me
00:26 <@someninjamaster> btw my talked to my grandfather about his time over there
00:26 < Synx_hm> ahh found it
00:26 < Synx_hm> fairuza
00:27 <@someninjamaster> he said just wait till it starts to rain
00:27 < Synx_hm> it has started
00:27 < Synx_hm> not too bad though
00:27 < Synx_hm> seen the news lately btw
00:28 <@someninjamaster> about that b2 biteing it
00:28 < Synx_hm> ya
00:28 <@someninjamaster> thats a good swift kick to the money ballsack
00:28 < Synx_hm> ill just say this, i was standing outside my house looking at the flightline when it happened
00:28 < Synx_hm> ya
00:29 < Synx_hm> thank god the dudes got out
00:29 < Synx_hm> ill brb i may have an in to this router now
00:29 <@someninjamaster> what happened
00:29 <@someninjamaster> i assumed one of the avionics computers shitted out
00:30 <@someninjamaster> those arnt exactly stable
00:30 < Synx_hm> not sure what happened
00:30 < Synx_hm> but it sucked to watch
00:31 <@someninjamaster> hey at least you got the most expensive fireworks show ever
00:31 <@someninjamaster> 1.2 billion
00:31 <@ShadowHntr> i hope airbus didn't decide to run their avionics off windows ;)
00:31 <@someninjamaster> the airbus can fly with out them
00:31 <@someninjamaster> the b2 is pretty unstable
00:31 <@someninjamaster> it needs those systems
00:31 <@ShadowHntr> someninjamaster: they better... :)
00:32 <@someninjamaster> hell they used to call it the wobly goblin
00:32 <@someninjamaster> or was the the f117
00:32 <@ShadowHntr> airbus = a319, a320, etc.
00:32 <@ShadowHntr> commercial jets
00:32 <@ShadowHntr> someninjamaster: i'd love to fly an A-10 though... =)
00:33 <@someninjamaster> id take a p-51 or a f4u
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00:41 < Synx_hm> anyone know how to set the wait bit on boot for tftp in openwrt
00:44 < coil> no but dd-wrt is cool
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01:50 < Synx_hm> sup peeps
01:51 <@ShadowHntr> sup Synx_hm
01:51 <@ShadowHntr> knee deep in Java here
01:52  * ShadowHntr is jammin' to Blondie vs. The Doors - Rapture Riders (MP3)
01:52 <@ShadowHntr> got my assignment coded right the first try
01:52 <@ShadowHntr> w00t
01:52 < Synx_hm> anyone wana get me an iso off the msdn site
01:52 <@ShadowHntr> i'm just paraphrasing C++ lol
01:53 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: i don't have access to MSDN, but what you need
01:53 < Synx_hm> i have a legit key... just not a windows computer to download the iso
01:53 < Synx_hm> xp pro
01:53 < Synx_hm> the fucking msdn site only works in IE
01:53 <@ShadowHntr> i have an iso i may be able to get your way
02:18 < Synx_hm> anyone got a new voip serice to use
02:18 < Synx_hm> service
02:18 < Synx_hm> i have my own equip
02:19 < Synx_hm> viatalk is $13 a month for 500min for 3months service
02:19 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: i know that voicepulse allows you to provide your own equip
02:20 <@ShadowHntr> and broadvoice
02:20 <@ShadowHntr> what do you have
02:20 <@ShadowHntr> asterisk?
02:20 <+MxZBot> asterisk is getting very good at branching. They make tarballs of certain branches that are considered frozen, but you can always get a specific branch from cvs/svn
02:20 < Synx_hm> i have a pap2
02:20 < coil> ahihg
02:21 <@ShadowHntr> cool
02:21 < coil> Hey guys, what's going on?
02:21 <@ShadowHntr> sup coil
02:21 <@ShadowHntr> just trying to calm down my brain from digesting three chapters worth of Java in one sitting...
02:21  * coil sips a cup
02:24 < Synx_hm> sup coil
02:24 < Synx_hm> hows life
02:30 < coil> dasunt: http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Vegan_War.htm
02:30 < coil> it's good i suppose </bullshit>
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06:19 <@Dagmar> Any of you lot still around?
06:24  * Dagmar stabs BellSouth in effigy
06:47 <@Dagmar> By the way, I think Obama is going to win it because he has possibly the _most masculine name possible_
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07:08 < ware> h0 sn4p!
07:08 < ware> damn i feel sexy driving the saab
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07:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:40 <@ladymerlin> whee
07:42 <@Dolemite> This ain't no damn rolly coaster!
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08:31 <@MudFlap> 75,000 w/o power in Georgia.
08:32 <@Dolemite> why for?
08:32 <@MudFlap> Taking a beating from that front this morning.
08:32 <@Dolemite> That's ok, 4.2 Million without water in Georgia.
08:32  * Dolemite shakes his fist defiantly at GA and defends his river.
08:32 <@MudFlap> War Between the States.
08:33 <@Dolemite> Yep, and I think we have more guns
08:34 <@Dolemite> http://forums.musiccitymoms.com/viewtopic.php?t=4538
08:34 <@Dolemite> Worst Baby Names Evah
08:34 <@Dolemite> Unfortunately pulled from census records, rather than made up
08:36 <@Catonic> yowza
08:36 <@Catonic> that was a gullywasher
08:41 < ware> weee
08:46 < ware> http://lifehacker.com/360489/get-twitter-alerts-from-your-plants-when-they-need-watering
08:46 < ware> neato
08:49 <@baudburn> Dolemite: b told me she had a patient name her kid superman
08:49 <@baudburn> not kidding.
08:50 <@baudburn> i wonder if the kid could be sued for trademark infringement?
08:51 <@ladymerlin> why, why would you name your kid that???
08:52 <@brimstone> so he can stop bullets
08:52 <@brimstone> run super fast
08:52 <@brimstone> etc etc
08:55 <@baudburn> ladymerlin: no idea.. there's been plenty of others like that too
09:13 <@Dolemite> Man, First USA Bank was checking my credit report about every 2 weeks for the last 3 months of 2007.  They want me to open an account with them something fierce.  Fucktards.
09:18 <@Dagmar> Far as I know they're not legally allowed to do that without your consent.
09:18 <@Dagmar> ...and doesn't that actually ding your credit?
09:19 <@Dagmar> Sounds like someone is polling your account in preparation for deciding if you have an identity worth stealing.
09:19  * ware steals Dolemite's identity and get teh big munnies
09:23 < adrenaline> Mornin
09:27 < ware> hai mike r u new
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09:49 <@oddball> ok... in this modern age of technology, if you have a new hire and need me to activate her card, do you: a. call me, b. email me, c. tell me in person, or d. write it on a slip of paper and slip it under my door after I've gone home for the day?
09:50 <@Dolemite> Ooh!  Oooh!  I know!  It's D!
09:50 <@critch> only D if it needs to be done before you arrive to work.
09:51 <@oddball> Oh, and then be snarky when the door hides the note, so I never see it
09:51 <@Dolemite> Better yet, write it on the sticky side of a post it note, and leave the glue facing up so that it sticks to the bottom of the door itself!
09:52 <@oddball> actually, this was a post-it note... so that may have happened
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11:02 <@Shadow_Phone> !minicity
11:02 <@brimstone> Population: 17224 Revenues: 4015200 Unemployment: 0% Transports: 99% Criminality: 1% Pollution: 1% 2729 ahead of beltegueuse
11:02 <@Shadow_Phone> woot, back ahead
11:42  * Dementia waves from her igloo
11:43 <@Dolemite> How many boxes of girl scout cookies is the recommended daily allowance?
11:43 <@Dolemite> 6?  8?
11:44 <@Dementia> I don't think there's a limit.
11:44 <@Dementia> Eat em while they're there.
11:44 <@Dolemite> sweet!
11:48 <@Catonic> mmm... girl scout cookies...
11:59 <@oddball> there's an open box of thin mints here at the office that are taunting me
12:00 <@SkyDog_> Eat them.. EAT THEM.. EAT THEM!!!!!
12:00 <@oddball> Thin mints?  What thin mints? *ohmnomnomnom*
12:01 <@Dolemite> I have^H^Hd tagalongs
12:01  * Shadow_Phone runs up to a waving Dementia and gives a hugzor
12:01 <@Shadow_Phone> how ya been?
12:13 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: Cookie Monster?
12:15 <@oddball> who? me?
12:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Speaking of which, I need to find space in my freezer for the Thin Mints
12:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Frozen Thin Mints are awesome snacks in the summer
12:23 <@oddball> that requires them to survive until summer
12:23 <@ladymerlin> i still have some fromm last year
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12:24 <@oddball> seee... that doesn't happen in my home
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12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: I guess Panya needs a ruler to rap your knuckles when you reach into the freezer for them
12:27 <@Dolemite> I don't allow Thin Mints in the freezer.  It makes *everything* taste like thin mints
12:28 <@Dolemite> which many of you may be thinking, "Well, that would be a good thing..."
12:28 < strages_> but thin mints are best frozen
12:28 <@Dolemite> until you've tasted a thin mint burger
12:28 <@oddball> heh
12:28 <@Catonic> I've never tried frozen thin mints.
12:29  * strages_ thinks a thin mint burger would be awesome....
12:29 <@Catonic> if I ever want to see 165 lbs, I won't.
12:29 <@Catonic> strages_: only if it's made with two thin mints and some whipped cream.
12:29 <@Evilpig> Dolemite LOVES thin mints
12:30 <@Catonic> strages_: wait.. since when do you have consciousness during daylight hours?
12:30 < strages_> crap...uh...I mean *snore*
12:31 <@Catonic> delirium, huh?
12:32 <@Catonic> strages_: you're training an army of monkies again, aren't you?
12:41 <@Corydon76-dig> 12 monkeys, specifically
12:58 <@Evilpig> skytubby:  ping
13:00 <@SkyDog_> Holy fscking shit. 11.00 all you can eat sushi at Ru-San.
13:00 <@Dolemite> I think he's waxing his genitalia right now.
13:00 <@Dolemite> Ah, never mind
13:01 <@SkyDog_> YES?
13:01 <@ladymerlin> SkyDog_: lets go there tongiht
13:01 <@critch> i think that is the lunch price
13:01 <@SkyDog_> ladymerlin: Burp... um, I am not in the mood for sushi at the moment.
13:02 <@SkyDog_> We have to eat lunch there to get the $100 price.
13:02 <@SkyDog_> Good stuff though.
13:02 <@Dolemite> $100!@#$@$!
13:02 <@ladymerlin> :P
13:02 <@SkyDog_> Sorry, $11.00 price.
13:03 <@timoguin> SkyDog_: PM
13:04 <@SkyDog_> timoguin: Yes, It's 1PM.
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13:26 <@wontonjoe> afternoon everyone
13:36 <@Catonic> mmm... sushi...
13:43 <@SkyDog_> I need a nap now.
13:45 < ware> PM is also a sushi place
13:47 <@Dolemite> Azn fuzn cuisine
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14:02 <@Dagmar> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/26/funny-pictures-sqirl-scout-cookyz/
14:06 <@Catonic> critch: I'm taking your cautions under advisement, however, I don't have time to learn PGSQL right now, so MySQL it is.
14:08 <@critch> Catonic: what is there to learn? from the standard SQL portion, it is the same.
14:10 <@Catonic> command line utilities... administration...
14:10 <@Catonic> users, grants, etc.
14:10 <@critch> all simple
14:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: phpPgAdmin
14:11 <@critch> yep, that helps a lot
14:12 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: Did you see where I committed the change from bug 9279?
14:12 <@critch> nope, didn't know what that bugg was either
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Arbitrary fields for psql CDRs
14:13 <@critch> I don't put CDRs in a databse anyways, I don't use databases directly with asterisk at all.
14:13 <@Catonic> I refuse to infect this box with the pox known as PHP
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Create a new field in the CDR table, Set the CDR variable in the diaplan, and the field gets populated automatically
14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> So CDRs now work the way people have always wanted them to
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Also, you can omit fields, and it will adapt to that field layout
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: also, cdr_curl is coming soon
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Post your CDRs to a remote web host
14:30 <@Dagmar> Wow
14:30 <@Dagmar> I was going to pull up a URL to show what I just got in, but... http://www.google.com/search?q=pqi+intelligent+i710
14:30 <@Dagmar> First hit "PQI Confidential Document".  Hah
14:33 <@nachoguy> good for you Catonic
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14:39 <@Dagmar> I love this new thumbdrive.
14:40 <@Dagmar> http://www.pqi.com.tw/upload/photo/DSCF0471.jpg
14:40 <@Dagmar> Warning: LARGE image. ...but the thing is smaller than my thumb.
14:49 <@critch> I have a 1gb sd card with a usb interface that is exposed by just removing the protective cover.
14:50 <@tzanger> what the hell is that pqi thing
14:52 <@Dolemite> Dagmar is getting excited over a thumb drive
14:53 <@Dagmar> The thing basically is a cell phone charm
14:55 <@Catonic> And soon, an infection vector for a cell phone virus!
15:05 <@someninjamaster>  haha
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15:13 <@someninjamaster> http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_122772.asp
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15:22 < ware> anyone run a jabber server
15:24 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: *ping*
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15:32 <@Dolemite> So.  How 'bout that FL blackout?
15:34 <@someninjamaster> they will proably try to take our power
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15:51 <@brimstone> jabber < irc
15:51 < ware> yes, this is why i setup openfire
15:51 < ware> @ work*
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16:05 <@Dagmar> Is it wrong to buy stock just because it's ticker is "OMG"?
16:05 <@Dagmar> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/CLM11328012008-1.htm
16:06 <@critch> is there a WTF, and a similar other stocks in your portfolio?
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16:15 < ware> HI TOM!
16:16 <@tzanger> haha
16:16 <@tzanger> WTFOMGBBQ
16:16 <@tzanger> can't lose
16:16 <@brimstone> what about YUM?
16:17 <@tzanger> LOL would be good too
16:17 <@tzanger> PWN
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16:18 < ware> ROFL
16:19 <@oddball> YUM is probably Yum Inc. (owns Pizza hut, Taco Bell, and a few others)
16:19 <@Dagmar> critch: No, but there will likely be one share of OMG in my portfolio before the week is out
16:19 <@Dagmar> Just for giggles
16:22 <@critch> Dagmar: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WTF.AX
16:22 <@critch> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=LOL.L
16:23 <@Dagmar> I think they'll be delisted soon
16:23 <@critch> who?
16:23 <@Dagmar> Just kidding
16:24 <@critch> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ASL.L
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16:31 <@tzanger> haha
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16:40 <@nachoguy> http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/19119.asp
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16:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Here's a useful page:  http://tinyurl.com/preview.php
16:53 <@Shadow_Phone> SkyDog_: ping
16:54 <@SkyDog_> pong.
16:56 <@rattle> Corydon76-dig:  No shit.  That's great.  I've been bitching about how you can't see what a URL is before clicking on it for ages.
16:57 <@rattle> Heh..  Or maybe it's XSS'able and just poses another problem.
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17:50 <@Catonic> sweet!!! http://www.bujindesign.com/aikido-3d-p-306.html
17:51 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: ^ make lots of money. Do this for hapkido...
17:55 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: ping
17:56 <@brimstone> pong?
17:56 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: VPN is down
17:56 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: no work relatted chatter on irc
17:57 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: unfortunately, with the VPN down, I can't complain on other channels
17:57 <@brimstone> jabber is not restricted to the vpn and is an approved method
17:57 <@brimstone> also, email is an approved method
17:57 <@Corydon76-dig> I can't email from outside of the VPN
17:57 <@brimstone> get a better email?
17:58 <@brimstone> and the vpn is working for me
17:58 <@brimstone> but i'm on the wifi in the building
17:58 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: it's been cycling up and down all day today
17:59 <@brimstone> waiting 5min before i leave does not make me happy
18:00 <@rhia> ahem - work related would be something of the nature of "so&so's email just flagged company info" - convo over connectivity being lost or flaky - not so much
18:01 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: Composing a note on the internal bugtracker and having the note lost because the VPN is down doesn't make me happy, either
18:01 <@rhia> at least now you guys know to answer the bloody cell phone or some such
18:01 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: file says it's APID's connect with Qwest
18:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, okay
18:02 <@brimstone> are you getting to us via qwest as well?
18:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Checking
18:04 <@Corydon76-dig> No, via Sprintlink
18:04 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm getting to orc2.apid.com, then it times out
18:04 <@Corydon76-dig> so maybe an internal APID router issue
18:04 <@brimstone> it probably is
18:04 <@brimstone> aye
18:04 <@brimstone> from home is the same problem
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18:05 <@brimstone> right now, all i can say is poke wontonjoe
18:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Sorry to unload on you, I'm just a little peeved
18:05 <@brimstone> it's ok
18:05 <@brimstone> i can ignore you just as well as anyone else :P
18:06 <@brimstone> after this switchvox thing, i don't really care much for employees
18:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, more problems.  Isn't that what IT needs?
18:07 <@brimstone> you know it
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18:07 <@Corydon76-dig> More problems are no problem... as long as it has a pretty interface on it
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18:36 <+coil> 8gu
18:36 <@Shadow_Phone> ?
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18:39 <+coil> hi Shadow_Phone
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19:05 <@sdodson> hi
19:18 < hobbes615> hey hey
19:19 <@Shadow_Phone> gonna be a funny question, but is anyone in the uk?
19:21 <@Shadow_Phone> apparently two diffrent channels of irc are reporting quakes
19:21 <@Shadow_Phone> still dont see anyting on bbc
19:27 <@sdodson> why not check the us geological service?
19:28 <@dasunt> Woot, God hates the UK!
19:29 < remoford> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008nyae.php
19:29 < remoford> mag 4.7
19:30 <@dasunt> http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_nyae_h.html
19:30 <@dasunt> Odd, I didn't know that Benelux had so many earthquakes.
19:31 <@Shadow_Phone> remoford: thx
19:35 <@rattle> You know what would be a neat web 2.0 type app that would help a ton of people?
19:36 <@rattle> A kva calculator you could use estimate power usage based on number of servers in a given class..
19:37 <@rattle> Like, have about three or four different server classes..  Some classes for disk arrays.  Network equipment.  Etc...
19:37 <@rattle> And you could just go clicky-clicky to get some estimates you can stare at..
19:38 < remoford> meh
19:38 < remoford> about as good as you can get with servers is does it have a large raid or no
19:40 <@rattle> Not really..  I think you could hit "useful" in about 4 classes...
19:40 <@rattle> At least for servers.
19:40 < remoford> such as?
19:40 <@Shadow_Phone> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7266136.stm
19:40 <@rattle> Disk arrays, same thing, based on the number of drive and drive form factor.
19:41 < remoford> disk arrays should be easy enough
19:41 < remoford> dont forget the spinup factor
19:41 <@rattle> Something like 1u/basic, 1u/2u/performance, machine with array, big fucking machine with array.
19:42 <@rattle> And that covers the product lines of most current vendors to a certain degree as far as power suck goes.
19:42 <@rattle> The two key things I see it as useful for, and very useful for, is gustimating needed ups capacity and "can i fucking do this on a 20-amp circuit".
19:43 < remoford> can i do this on a 20-amp circut is where i would be careful
19:43 <@rattle> Guestimation tools...
19:43 < remoford> yeah
19:44 < remoford> you just gotta beat the boss over the head with a safety factor
19:44 < remoford> with a lead pipe
19:44 < remoford> cuase when you reboot one box and that triggers full cabinet meltdown
19:44 < remoford> its gonna be *your* fault
19:45 <@rattle> Which is why some clicky-clicky webapp would be nice, given most people just plug and pray.
19:45 < remoford> yes they do
19:45 < remoford> and that would be easy enough to implement
19:45 <@rattle> I accidentally turn on a two full rack drive array all at once.  That was fun.
19:46 < remoford> im just not sure you will get reasonable numbers out of it
19:46 < remoford> there is a big difference between a pentium d and a core 2 and a opteron
19:46 < remoford> under most circumstances, the cage monkey wont even know whats in it
19:47 <@rattle> It was in a room with about 8 mostly full racks that all hung of a giant apc.  The apc immediately went into overload, and then the breaker for the room went..
19:47 < remoford> thats pretty ghetto
19:48 <@rattle> It was actually a pretty nice setup.  Worked well.  Until some idiot accidently turn on a power distribution panel for two full racks of drives..
19:48 <@rattle> The sound of a full room of stuff shutting off all at once is always slightly terrifying.
19:49 < remoford> heh
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19:49 < remoford> well with any luck it got your monitoring server too
19:50 < remoford> you gotta love "push" monitoring. i havent heard anything so it must be good
19:53 < remoford> you will need to gather some data
19:53 < remoford> maybe cut a deal with some dc to go clamp meter each box in the building
19:54 <@Shadow_Phone> thats why you have monitored power circuits and a strict overage policy
19:54 <@Shadow_Phone> we limit our customers to 80% of a circuits actual rating
19:54 <@Shadow_Phone> so a 20amp circuit can only draw 16 amps
19:54 <@Shadow_Phone> if they go over, they have 72 hours to fix the issue
19:55 < remoford> wow
19:55 <@Shadow_Phone> before we shut off their power
19:55 < remoford> i wished i worked for yall
19:55 < remoford> my old company had a policy of "make it happen"
19:55 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, yeah, but its annoying, cause we open at leasr 1 new case a day and 75% of the cases have to get escalated cause the customer doesnt do shit
19:56 <@Shadow_Phone> and we end up shutting them off, they call their sales team to complain
19:56 < remoford> which meant if you have 3 servers to rack and they werent ready to go by the end of your shift, it was your ass
19:56 <@Shadow_Phone> they finally agree to fix their power issue if we put their power back on
19:56 <@Shadow_Phone> and then the loops starts again
19:56 < remoford> and also your ass if you popped the apc
19:56 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, thats bs
19:56 <@sdodson> Most PDUs shut off beyond 80% load.
19:57 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, or pdu's are facility owned
19:57 <@Shadow_Phone> so we dont deal with that side
19:57 < remoford> we got to a point where level3 would not give us any more power
19:57 < remoford> and sales wouldnt quit
19:57 < remoford> about that time i quit and came back to the southeast
19:58 <@Shadow_Phone> fortunately we only host our gear in level 3 and its mostly circuits or dns servers
19:58 <@sdodson> I don't take my 30A units above 20A
19:58 <@Shadow_Phone> all our colos are usually in qts, 365 main, equinix, or our private dc's
19:58 <@Shadow_Phone> sdodson: thats only 66%
19:58 <@Shadow_Phone> you could get a few more amps out of it
19:58 < remoford> it wasnt l3s fault, the utilities wouldnt sell them more power
19:59 <@sdodson> Shadow_Phone: thanks, I can do math, thanks.
19:59 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, thats lvl3's position on lots of things
19:59 <@Shadow_Phone> "sorry bleh bleh bleh, this is beyond our control"
19:59 < remoford> however, it was funny to see them operating at 100% capacity and with perhaps 1/3 of the floorspace used
19:59 < remoford> someone did not anticipate teh p4
19:59 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, true
20:00 <@sdodson> I've got a rack full of brand new stuff and it's no more power efficient than older stuff
20:00 < remoford> what, per U/
20:00 <@sdodson> though it's like 64 cores in 12U of space and 256GB
20:01 <@Shadow_Phone> they are coming out with new what they call "green" system
20:01 <@Shadow_Phone> supposed to be like what the claim 11% more efficient than other servers of the same performance
20:01 < remoford> you could always buy via if you are concerned aobut per U effiency but its all about per performance
20:01 <@sdodson> Most of the power efficient spec'd servers have slower ram and lower clock rates.
20:04 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, thats what i noticed
20:05 <@Shadow_Phone> anywho, time to go home
20:05 <@Shadow_Phone> terremark in miami kicked ass today
20:05 <@sdodson> what?
20:05 <@Shadow_Phone> they lost grid power and they had no power interruption switching from grid->ups->diesel and then back to grid
20:06 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, u didnt see that florida lost power?
20:06 <@Shadow_Phone> we have tons of customers in terramark
20:06 <@sdodson> florida sure seems like a dumb place for a data center
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20:07 < remoford> heh yeah
20:07 <@Shadow_Phone> hey, i just monitor the equipment remotely, not my job to question logistics, thats between the sales team and the customer
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20:21 <@dasunt> Why do "steampunk" hacker projects seem to be stuck in about 1920-1930 electrical and mechanical tech?
20:22 <@ShadowHntr> how do you mean
20:22 <@brimstone> it just is
20:22 <@brimstone> why is the sky blue?
20:22 <@brimstone> water reflects blue
20:23 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: probably because mechanical devices of that era were built to last forever
20:23 <@brimstone> the tech of the 20s and 30s was powered by steam
20:23 <@Corydon76-dig> They had to be, or else they risked malfunctioning in very deadly ways
20:26 <@dasunt> 20s & 30s tech was steam powered?
20:26 <@dasunt> I thought most of it wasn't.
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20:35 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: think train engines
20:35 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: diesel didn't kill the steam engine until the 40s
20:36 <@dasunt> Oh yah, trains.
20:36 <@dasunt> Outside of that though, what's steampunk.  The vehicles were either fossil fueled or (rarely) electric.
20:36 <@dasunt> Most farm machinery was probably fossil fueled, animal powered, or electric.
20:37 <@dasunt> Maybe the mills were steam powered still...  <_<
20:37 < remoford> steampunk is technology so crude that you can actually make it yourself
20:37 < remoford> with a hammer
20:37 < remoford> and some raw iron
20:39 <@dasunt> What?
20:39 <@dasunt> Fucking idiots.
20:41 <@dasunt> Now obviously, being a geek, I'm  looking for historical scientific accuracy in this term, and this seems to be a new internet meme which basically destroys any odds of scientific or historical accuracy.
20:44 <@brimstone> dasunt: when was the first steam engine actually put into a productive vehicle?
20:47 <@dasunt> brimstone: Dunno.  I'd say sometime after Watts.
20:47 <@dasunt> 1762 according to the wiki.
20:48 <@dasunt> "Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot's "machine à feu pour le transport de wagons et surtout de l'artillerie" ("fire engine for transporting wagons and especially artillery") was built from 1769 in two versions for use by the French Army. Cugnot's fardier, a term usually applied to a massive two-wheeled cart for exceptionally heavy loads, was intended to be capable of transporting 4 tonnes (3.9 tons), and of travelling at up to 4 km/h (2.5 mph).
20:48 <@dasunt> Succcessfully looks like:  "More commercially successful for a time than Trevithick's carriage were the steam carriage services operated in England in the 1830s, principally by Walter Hancock and associates of Sir Goldsworthy Gurney, among others. "
20:48 <@brimstone> so now, account for technology drift to america in that time?
20:49 <@dasunt> I'd call steampunk more of Victorian era tech.
20:50 <@dasunt> More of the beginning of the Victorian era than the end.
20:51 <@dasunt> brimstone: Why would America be signficantly behind on tech?
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20:56 <@brimstone> i would guess that the french wouldn't just give us a steam engine just as soon as they figured it out
20:57 <@dasunt> So it is your view that the US was some backwater nation in the 1800s?
21:01 <@brimstone> yup
21:02 <@dasunt> You do know that some consider that lil' old backwater America was one of the first nations to fight a modern war, right?
21:03 <@brimstone> not the history teachers i've had
21:04 <@dasunt> You didn't go over the raise of ironclads?
21:05 <@dasunt> Or the change in technology since the Napoleonic wars in Europe?
21:08 <@brimstone> not that i can remember
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22:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, "The Straight Boink Express"
22:52 <@Catonic> f00k
22:52 <@Catonic> im wore the f00k out
22:54 <@Catonic> I didn't know hungry could be an emotion
22:55 <@Catonic> but it's definately supplanted horny at the moment.
22:55 <@ShadowHntr> hehehe
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23:02 <@Catonic> how hungry am i?
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23:02 <@Catonic> let's put it this way... NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM
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23:03 <@buu> Oh dear god, access spam.
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23:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Patience, I'm just cleaning house
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23:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Okay, I'm done
23:06 <@Corydon76-dig> There's a few more that are pretty old, but I'll let those go for another 3 months or so
23:08 <@buu> Burn them all!
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23:45 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifrirlhLYko
23:45 <@sdodson> buu never speaks but pokes up for that?
23:47 <@buu> YES.
23:47 <@buu> I am watching you.
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23:50 <@sdodson> buu: how's the left coast?
23:55 <@dasunt> Wow.
23:55 <@dasunt> This book is really cool and really fucked up.
23:56 <@sdodson> what book?
23:56 <@dasunt> Kafka on the Shore.
23:57 <@dasunt> It is about an aging simpleton who once was a normal child, was part of an odd event, then forgot everything.  But he can talk to cats (and the cats talk back).
23:57 <@buu> sdodson: It got cold!
23:57 <@dasunt> And a 15 year old runaway that may or may not be following an Oedipal (sp?) prophacy.
23:57 <@dasunt> Then it gets weird.
23:59 <@ShadowHntr> it's snowing !
23:59 <@ShadowHntr> :D
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