--- Log opened Sat Feb 16 00:00:13 2008 00:02 -!- someninjamaster changed the topic of #se2600 to: http://www.outerz0ne.org/forum/ | Mar 21-22, 2008 @ The Hyatt Place Atlanta Galleria | Call 770-384-0060 and use group name "Outerz0ne" to reserve rooms ($79/night)| ware: 23:33:35 Catonic: hes just not as gentle as you. when i want to fuck a guy i need it rough. 00:03 <@dasunt> LoL! 00:03 <@dasunt> It is odd. 00:03 <@dasunt> Sure, some of us abuse pot. 00:03 <@someninjamaster> consider it logged 00:03 <@dasunt> But hackers seem to like alcohol as the drug of choice. 00:04 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: You're forgetting caffeine 00:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Caffeine is far more prevalent than ethanol 00:05 <@dasunt> I said drug. Not essential nutrient. :p 00:05 <@someninjamaster> caffeine is a drug 00:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Damn good drug, too 00:05 <@someninjamaster> anyone else enjoying the smoking ban as much as i am 00:06 <@someninjamaster> i was at the bowling alley tonight and holy shit 00:06 <@someninjamaster> i can breath 00:06 <@dasunt> someninjamaster: We got around it in Minnesota. 00:06 <@someninjamaster> breathe 00:06 <@dasunt> There's an exemption for thespians. 00:06 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I won't miss the smoking ban until it's gone 00:06 <@dasunt> Bars seem to be fond of amateur-run plays as of late. 00:06 <@dasunt> Gotta live Minnesota. 00:07 <@someninjamaster> the only place they let people smoke at the bowling alley now is in the bar 00:07 <@dasunt> http://www.startribune.com/local/east/15653402.html 00:07 <@someninjamaster> i swear my score has gone up since im not chokeing on smoke 00:10 <@dasunt> Have you ever considered that your bowling may suck because you are a pussy liberal? :p Next time, try envisioning shooting commies when you bowl. 00:11 <@someninjamaster> heh 00:11 <@someninjamaster> you dont know how far on the right i can be 00:11 <@dasunt> You don't support Real Men giving others the gift of second hand smoke. 00:11 <@Catonic> I lean left, but date right 00:11 <@dasunt> You're a hippie. :p 00:12 <@dasunt> I date crazy. 00:12 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-76-22-253-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:13 <@someninjamaster> wow tennessee is on the list of states that may start allowing concealed carry permits on college campuses 00:13 <@dasunt> someninjamaster: Damn shame. 00:13 <@Catonic> I hope AL gets with it 00:13 <@dasunt> If only they banned guns on campuses. That would prevent all college shootings. 00:13 <@someninjamaster> indeed 00:13 <@Catonic> well, bear in mind that there are urban campuses... 00:14 <@someninjamaster> in fact all of the shootings in the past 6 months were in gun free zones 00:14 <@Catonic> and some, like Birmingham, sit next to a nexus of murder 00:14 <@dasunt> After all, the random madman may not hesitate to murder people in cold blood, but he will obey the sign saying that guns are banned on these premises. 00:14 < remoford> the brits on /. were pretty damn funny 00:14 <@dasunt> Btw, I need a sign that says my apartment is a robbery and fire free zone. 00:14 < remoford> talking about getting harassed by these kids all day and cant do shit aobut it 00:14 <@dasunt> remoford: The kids won't get off their lawn? 00:15 < remoford> dasunt: they do once they get blasted with the dog/chav whistle 00:16 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: schools in general are gun-free zones. That there were shootings at all indicates a lack of security 00:16 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: There is some policy that we have yet to impliment that would prevent all shootings. 00:16 < remoford> how about a rule 00:17 < remoford> that makes it agisnt the rules 00:17 < remoford> to shoot ppl 00:17 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: No there isn't 00:17 <@someninjamaster> if you want to go on a shooting spree a mall and a school are the perfect place 00:17 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: you cannot prevent all crime, period. You can take steps to reduce the risk of gun crimes, but you cannot eliminate them 00:17 <@someninjamaster> there is absolutly no one there that can stop you 00:18 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: Why aren't you an optimist. There must be some way to prevent all shootings. Here, let me tell you about the new technology that I coincidentally sell that may help you. 00:18 <@Catonic> We already have it. It was developed in Huntsville. 00:18 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: depends on how insistent the school and/or mall are in stopping you. 00:19 <@someninjamaster> how can they stop you 00:19 <@dasunt> To be fair, I could probably prevent shootings on school grounds. 00:19 <@Corydon76-dig> For the right price, you can create security that will stop you 2 seconds after you start shooting 00:19 <@Catonic> ve haf vays ov meking you talvk 00:19 <@dasunt> Encasing the entire property plus 10' beyond it in concrete should do the trick. 00:19 <@Corydon76-dig> The issue is that the cost of having security like that is cost prohibitive 00:19 <@dasunt> Hmmmm. 00:19 <@dasunt> I should try selling that as solution. 00:20 <@dasunt> Who wants to go into business? 00:20 <@dasunt> It is an election year. 00:20 <@dasunt> Politicans want to be seen as Protecting the Children. 00:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Security is all about cost-risk ratio 00:20 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: LoL. 00:20 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: cost-fear ratio is probably more accurate. 00:20 <@someninjamaster> or you could let people defend themselves 00:21 <@someninjamaster> and actually make the state money 00:21 <@dasunt> I used to have a great article about security measures put in place to safeguard nuclear waste. 00:21 <@dasunt> I think the cost per human life saved was in the millions of dollars. 00:21 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: you'd need to change some of the crime law to do that 00:21 <@dasunt> It was insane -- putting the same money towards (say) highway repairs would have saved far more lives. 00:21 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: and there's all sorts of issues of "but I thought he was reaching for a weapon, which is why I shot him" 00:22 <@someninjamaster> i can tell you havent been to a ccp class 00:22 <@SkyDog_> Holy shit. 00:22 <@someninjamaster> i highly recomend going to one because your blindly looking at the issue 00:22 <@SkyDog_> Bush and Presmike are hammered. 00:22 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: the issue is well-meaning people who make mistakes 00:22 <@SkyDog_> I'm having to close one eye to focus. 00:22 <@someninjamaster> nice skydog 00:23 <@SkyDog_> someone get ware. I know how he feels now. 00:23 -!- jonnyx [n=jonnyx@adsl-098-068-041-004.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 00:23 <@SkyDog_> :) 00:23 <@someninjamaster> weight the costs though 00:23 <@SkyDog_> Been hanging with the guys from Hak.5 00:23 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: yes, you may reduce the rate of intentional shootings, at the risk of increasing accidental shootings 00:23 < ware> SkyDog_: WHATUP 00:23 <@someninjamaster> ubut the intentional shootings way outweight the accidental ones 00:24 <@SkyDog_> ok, you guys are being cerebral. I'll 'get back to you' on that. 00:24 <@SkyDog_> ware: What's up baby? 00:24 < ware> punch bush and tell em i sayid hey 00:24 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: currently, that's true, but that's because we put a high price on accidentally shooting people 00:24 <@someninjamaster> untill the weapon is seen your weapon should not be pulled 00:24 < ware> passing out 00:24 <@Catonic> just meaningless bullshit as usual 00:24 <@SkyDog_> Pretty much. 00:24 <@Catonic> ware has been drinking... 00:24 <@Catonic> and smoking pot... 00:24 <@SkyDog_> about to take a shower. Gotta get up early in the morning. 00:24 <@Catonic> and eating Krystal's... 00:24 <@SkyDog_> Catonic: same here, 'cept the herb. 00:24 <@someninjamaster> i could go for some krystals 00:24 < ware> Catonic: DAMN are you psychic!? 00:25 <@Catonic> and apparently professing his gay love to Corydon and myself. 00:25 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I agree, but people aren't always perfectly alert and rational 00:25 <@SkyDog_> bush bought $70 worth of jager shots. It went downhill from there. 00:25 < ware> holy shit 00:25 <@Catonic> shit, you could buy the bottle for cheaper 00:25 < ware> i wish iw asthere? 00:25 < ware> err ! 00:25 <@SkyDog_> We drank on the hak.5 tab for a couple hours. 00:25 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: like I said, it's a matter of managing risk 00:25 <@SkyDog_> ware: Dude, you should be. 00:25 <@SkyDog_> Been drinking with wes and simple nomad. 00:26 * Catonic takes more pills and hopes he actually falls alseed 00:26 <@SkyDog_> I can barely feel my face. Sigh. 00:26 <@someninjamaster> to be honest you are trained better than the police with a firearm to get your ccp 00:26 <@SkyDog_> I only seem to do this at cons. 00:26 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: what's the re-education policy? 00:26 <@someninjamaster> re-education? 00:27 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I'm sure you're right on the book 2 weeks after you've gotten your permit, but what about 3 years later, you have the flu, you're dizzy, feeling bad, and you're carrying a weapon? 00:27 <@dasunt> Catonic: Pills don't help me. 00:28 <@someninjamaster> your going way out on a limb with that 00:28 <@Corydon76-dig> If you're impaired, no matter how well-meaning you are, you are likely to make a mistake 00:28 <@someninjamaster> i would love to see the statistics on that 00:28 < ware> i just fell over again 00:28 < ware> haha im going to sleep 00:28 <@dasunt> For sleeping, the dose I need in pills is scary. 00:28 <@someninjamaster> but what makes the diffrence on college campuses 00:28 <@someninjamaster> Why do you think it would help matters if students were allowed to carry guns on college campuses? 00:29 <@Corydon76-dig> What makes the difference on college campuses is a security force that has a plan that is known by the staff, and it gets followed 00:29 <@someninjamaster> extremely well apprently since there are 6 people dead 00:29 < remoford> aha 00:29 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I'm not sure that permitting students to carry weapons is necessarily a good idea 00:29 < remoford> so it comes down to 00:29 < remoford> do you trust j random dude 00:29 < remoford> or the man 00:29 <@someninjamaster> the idea of locking your self in a fucking room is stupid 00:30 < remoford> imma put my vote with j random 00:30 <@SkyDog_> OK, I have had enough of this intelligent bullshit. I've lost enough braincells for the evening. 00:30 <@someninjamaster> haha skydog 00:30 <@SkyDog_> nite all. 00:30 <@someninjamaster> goodnight 00:30 < remoford> SkyDog_: happy hangovers 00:30 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: locking down only makes sense if you know the cavalry is about to swarm the building 00:30 <@SkyDog_> remoford: Same to you. :) 00:30 <@SkyDog_> lates. 00:30 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: the last thing you want is a hostage situation 00:31 <@someninjamaster> that you created by shoveing everyone defenceless into a damn room 00:31 <@someninjamaster> how bout we arm the professors 00:31 < remoford> someninjamaster: they wouldnt take em 00:31 <@someninjamaster> or place a security agent in every room 00:31 < remoford> professors are democrats dontcha know 00:31 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: again, we're talking cost 00:32 <@someninjamaster> so what do we do sit with our thumbs up our asses 00:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, you could put security in every classroom, but that gets very expensive 00:32 <@someninjamaster> or try to get shit done before we all die 00:33 < remoford> how about knockout gas in the sprinkler system 00:33 <@someninjamaster> i think the russians tried that 00:33 < remoford> if a car backfires outside, all adjacent buildigns goto sleep automatically 00:33 <@Corydon76-dig> What you need is a very clear campus security plan in that situation... 00:34 <@someninjamaster> that unfortantly the gunman will know about 00:34 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: but do you really want to trust "campus security"? 00:34 <@Corydon76-dig> and while arming students could be a part of that, you absolutely need to know where each of those students are... 00:34 <@someninjamaster> which would result in them being the first ones to be offed 00:34 <@Corydon76-dig> and you need communication 00:34 < remoford> how about this 00:35 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: you don't think that the students themselves would make it very clear to everybody that they are carrying? 00:35 <@someninjamaster> the best idea would be a covert group of volunteer students that are volenteers 00:35 <@someninjamaster> no they wouldnt 00:35 < remoford> school shootings are such a statistically insignifigant event that we should worry more about personal lightening rods 00:35 <@someninjamaster> you dont really announce that your carrying a gun 00:35 <@Corydon76-dig> You have more confidence in your fellow students than I do 00:36 <@someninjamaster> you have more confidence in the pd than i do 00:36 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: most campus security offices don't have a plan for when an event like that happens 00:37 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: the issue isn't who has guns... the issue is whether the campus as a whole has a plan to deal with that situation 00:37 <@someninjamaster> which unfortunaly means that the gunman is also going to have access to this plan 00:38 <@Corydon76-dig> You need a plan, you need coordination, and you need people to follow the plan, to reduce the risk of innocents getting hurt 00:38 <@someninjamaster> i think if you had an airmartial type group in the schools 00:38 <@someninjamaster> that are trained in what to do 00:39 <@Corydon76-dig> If the plan is that all doors are locked and bolted on security lockdown, that means the gunman either needs to be holed up somewhere or free of the building security when that takes place 00:39 <@someninjamaster> then you would have someone in the lockdown situation to defend the students 00:39 < remoford> wtf is this lockdown shit 00:39 <@someninjamaster> you lock the door 00:39 < remoford> how aobut climbing out the fire escape 00:39 <@someninjamaster> and hope to god he doesnt start shooting through the window 00:39 <@someninjamaster> in the door 00:40 <@someninjamaster> and unlock it 00:40 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: lockdown tends to be part of the primary plan on college campuses. If you limit the ability of a gunman to go room-to-room, you reduce the possible casualties 00:40 < remoford> so 00:40 < remoford> if he lights a fire 00:40 < remoford> everyone gets burnt alive? 00:40 <@someninjamaster> it seems like a good idea 00:40 < remoford> whats wrong with everyone pick a window and run away 00:41 < remoford> ppl who wanna fight stay behind and do 00:41 <@someninjamaster> unless he has a bomb 00:41 < remoford> good luck to em 00:41 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: what if the gunman is outside and watching for people jumping out of windows? 00:41 <@someninjamaster> then you have incresed his kill ratio 00:41 < remoford> well 00:41 < remoford> you wanna be jumping out hte windows on the other side of hte building then 00:42 <@someninjamaster> the key thing is on a college campus you have no way to defend yourself 00:42 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: in a moment of panic, you hear a gunshot, how do you know where the gunman is? 00:42 < remoford> somewhere near where you heard the gunshot? 00:42 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: consider that gunshots tend to echo across campuses 00:42 < remoford> altho, yes you want get it on the first shot 00:42 <@someninjamaster> http://www.newsweek.com/id/112174 00:42 < remoford> second and third you should know where it is 00:42 <@someninjamaster> intresting artical 00:42 <@someninjamaster> wow i suck at spelling more than usual tonight 00:43 < remoford> Corydon76-dig has a point, we dont want drunk frats with guns 00:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Campus shootings are a complex problem... and you're seeking a very simplistic solution 00:43 < remoford> but im not going to give "college security" much more credits than the drunk frats either 00:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Okay, so you have students armed... how does campus security know which are the "good" students and which are the "bad" students? 00:44 <@Corydon76-dig> How do the police know? How does SWAT know? 00:44 <@Corydon76-dig> How do you ensure that the cops don't shoot one of the "good" students? 00:44 <@someninjamaster> so what is your working solution 00:45 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I can't come up with a universal solution for all campuses 00:45 <@someninjamaster> corydon you can get ccp badges 00:45 <@someninjamaster> my dad has one 00:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Each campus has to come up with its own plan 00:45 <@someninjamaster> you hold it up so cops dont waste you 00:45 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: how do you ensure the bad guys don't get ccp badges? 00:45 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: the point of an armed populace is the whole thing is over before swat ever gets the call 00:45 <@someninjamaster> how do you ensure that bad guys dont get police ones 00:46 < remoford> it should be over before they can drop the donuts 00:46 <@someninjamaster> at the point that he starts shooting at police i think they are going to relize its him 00:46 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: again, it's a complicated solution, and simple solutions don't work 00:46 < remoford> tasers 00:46 <@someninjamaster> the average gunfight lasts 10 seconds when both partys have guns 00:46 < remoford> what if everyone had a taser 00:47 <@Corydon76-dig> You need a response plan, customized for your own campus 00:47 <@Corydon76-dig> You need communication systems so that you can alter the plan in an organized way, when circumstances demand it 00:47 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: the college admins arent going to be able to follow a plan 00:48 <@Corydon76-dig> And you need a professional security force who can respond 00:48 < remoford> i just dont think the competence is there 00:48 <@someninjamaster> H 00:48 <@someninjamaster> AH 00:48 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: then they're all lost anyway 00:48 < remoford> a situation liek that is chaotic 00:48 <@someninjamaster> the professional security is hard to come by 00:49 < remoford> its not gonna follow any rules or order 00:49 < remoford> ppl are gonna do all manner of stupid shit 00:49 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: if a college administrator can't keep chaos from reigning, you might as well let the shooter get off all his rounds and leave of his own volition, because anything else will just increase the body count 00:49 <@someninjamaster> so in other words you have to fire all the admins 00:49 <@someninjamaster> and re hire 00:49 <@someninjamaster> and create a saftey plan 00:49 < remoford> if the loony gets shot by other students quickly 00:49 < remoford> then its over 00:50 <@someninjamaster> and hire a much larger well trained security force 00:50 < remoford> dude, the administrators cant posibly move that fast 00:50 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: not the admins in particular. All you need is a good head of security, and he or she can create the necessary elements of a good plan to handle that situation 00:50 <@someninjamaster> your talking about millions of dollers 00:50 < remoford> and well trained security forces are bullshit 00:50 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: no, I'm talking hundreds of thousands 00:50 < remoford> mercenaries are never helpful 00:51 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: well-trained students are any better than paid professionals? 00:51 < remoford> and rent-a-cops are mercs 00:51 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: yes 00:51 < remoford> absolutly 00:51 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: No, I don't think so 00:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Where do you think you get security officers? 00:51 <@someninjamaster> so your saying use students like i said 00:51 <@someninjamaster> that are trained for that situation 00:51 < remoford> they are a) everywhere b) less corrupt c) already awake and on campus 00:52 <@someninjamaster> or are you saying well trained in a plan 00:52 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I think full time security officers are the way to go, but only having officers isn't sufficient. 00:52 <@Corydon76-dig> You need the people, and you need a plan. 00:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Military works the same way. You can have all the soldiers in the world, but unless you have coordination and tactics that they follow, it won't do you much good 00:53 <@Corydon76-dig> You need people and you need a plan 00:53 <@someninjamaster> most full time security officers are people that failed out of the police academy 00:53 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: but not all 00:53 <@someninjamaster> but most 00:54 <@someninjamaster> beast and ladym are the biggest exceptions 00:54 <@someninjamaster> i would trust them 00:54 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: again, you're managing risk. Some private universities actually pay better than the local cops 00:54 <@Corydon76-dig> and if they're paying better, they can attract the best officers 00:54 <@someninjamaster> so those of us going to comunitty colleges just get fucked 00:55 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: how many shootings happen at community colleges? 00:55 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: Most of the ones I've heard of happen at large public or private universities 00:56 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: imma posit hte best officers arent in it for the money 00:56 < remoford> or they woulve become car mechanics or something 00:56 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: but the best officers also want to make a living at it 00:56 < remoford> being a cop is never well paying 00:56 <@someninjamaster> i would be willing to debate that 00:56 <@someninjamaster> when you get to the higher rungs 00:57 <@Corydon76-dig> If I had to guess, I'd say Vandy's security officers are paid better than Metro cops 00:57 <@Corydon76-dig> And Vandy cops are also drilled on response time. 00:57 <@someninjamaster> http://police.nashville.org/get_involved/employment/officer.htm#payscale 00:57 <@Corydon76-dig> You know the blue security phones across campus? Guaranteed, there is a security officer there within 30 seconds of you lifting the receiver 00:58 < remoford> right 00:58 < remoford> until there isnt 00:58 < remoford> hopefully there is 00:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Now that's communication 00:58 < remoford> but you dont depend your life on a maybe 00:59 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: they are drilled on it... they always have the staff on duty to fulfill that 00:59 < remoford> except the whole lot is down at the frat house drunk 00:59 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: No, that's a definite. They pride themselves on their response time 00:59 < remoford> perhaps 00:59 <@Corydon76-dig> NO, not perhaps. 00:59 <@someninjamaster> even with a bolt action rifle a gunman could still kill 30 people in that time period 00:59 < remoford> you wanna say thats the case for every college across america? 01:00 < remoford> someninjamaster: well, you cant stop everything 01:00 < remoford> thats just too fucking bad 01:00 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: not every college, but it's a good example of a campus with a good plan in place 01:00 <@Dagmar> I'd personally rather arm everyone with say, a small caliber 4-shot pistol 01:00 < remoford> def not everyone 01:00 <@Corydon76-dig> When's the last time you heard of a shooting at Vandy? 01:01 <@Dagmar> Last year. 01:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: how quickly did security respond? 01:01 <@Dagmar> No one goes on a shooting spree to kill a half dozen people when those half dozen people and everyone else nearby can open fire on the shooter. 01:01 <@someninjamaster> septmber 25 01:01 <@someninjamaster> corydon not fat enough to catch him 01:01 <@Corydon76-dig> How quickly was the situation handled? 01:02 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: like I said before, you cannot stop all crime 01:02 <@Dagmar> How should I know\ 01:02 <@Corydon76-dig> It's a cost and risk assessment 01:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: dunno, figured you were around at the time 01:03 <@someninjamaster> dagmar i like your idea 01:05 <@someninjamaster> corydon i make more at 20 than a vandy police officer 01:05 <@Dagmar> People don't need glocks to be secure. Just a derringer would be fine if _lots_ of people had them 01:05 <@someninjamaster> they make 14.75 an hout 01:05 < remoford> i think a taser would work at these ranges 01:05 < remoford> espically if dude gets hit with 5 at once 01:05 < remoford> dont cross the streams! 01:06 <@Dagmar> Probably so 01:06 <@Dagmar> ...but I suspect random folks would be too tempted to play with the tasers. 01:06 < remoford> and the tasers are safe enough to hand out ot frat boys 01:06 < remoford> mostly they will just taser themselves and fair nuff 01:07 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@pool-71-251-63-38.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:08 < remoford> id rather they have tasers than actual guns tho 01:08 <@someninjamaster> they are alot more fun than guns 01:08 < remoford> corydon makes a good point about the average college student being more drunk or drug addled that the average citizen 01:08 <@someninjamaster> however they can still have a gun 01:08 < remoford> well yes 01:08 < remoford> you shoudlnt deny ppl the right 01:08 < remoford> and you shouldnt force it 01:09 < remoford> if ppl want to depend on the "authorities" then fine 01:09 < remoford> thats a personal choice 01:09 < remoford> and prolly the choice i would make 01:09 <@someninjamaster> did you know that the police arnt legally bound to protect you 01:09 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: actually, that's a property right of the owners 01:09 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: sorta, most colleges do take federal money and are thus semi public 01:09 <@Corydon76-dig> You know that the owner of any property can bar you from bringing a weapon onto their property, right? 01:10 <@someninjamaster> yeah 01:10 <@someninjamaster> but most wont 01:10 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: taking federal money does not make a university public 01:11 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: much of that money is in the form of tuition assistance and grants for specific professors' projects 01:11 < remoford> yes 01:11 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: very little, if any, goes directly to the administration 01:11 < remoford> in they hypothetical case of a college that is truly private, yes, they have that right 01:11 <@Corydon76-dig> like Vandy 01:11 < remoford> altho id say thats a failure of american law 01:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Property rights are a failure of American law? 01:12 < remoford> in come cases 01:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, come ON 01:12 < remoford> you cant be uberlibertarian 01:12 < remoford> and i call myself a libertarian even 01:13 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not uberlibertarian. I'm a centrist 01:13 <@someninjamaster> if you are accepting federal money 01:13 < remoford> but i dont subscribe to the king of the castle theory of land ownership 01:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Where you are not affecting others, you should be left alone 01:13 <@Corydon76-dig> That's my belief in government systems 01:14 < remoford> yes, but a college is affecting others 01:14 < remoford> its a semi public system 01:14 < remoford> hell, a resturant is a semi public place 01:14 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: no, it's not 01:14 < remoford> im not arguing the legality 01:14 <@Corydon76-dig> A restaurant is a completely private place 01:14 < remoford> just what i think it *should* be 01:15 <@Corydon76-dig> You're getting dangerously close to Socialism 01:15 < remoford> there is a balance 01:15 < remoford> i dont want resturant owners putting up signs that say no niggers either 01:15 < remoford> altho the libertarian ideal would allow that 01:16 <@Corydon76-dig> That's true, although public pressure is the invisible hand that stops that 01:16 < remoford> it does nowadays 01:17 <@Corydon76-dig> A private restaurant may choose who they will and will not serve 01:17 <@Corydon76-dig> with very few exceptions 01:17 <@Dagmar> Bullshit. 01:17 <@Dagmar> "Public pressure" doesn't do a damn thing about that sort of thing 01:17 <@Corydon76-dig> They may turn you away if you are barefoot or shirtless, for example 01:18 <@Dagmar> When I was ten, they FINALLY did something about this bar in Madison that had "NO COLOREDS" spray painted right on the front door. 01:18 <@Dagmar> ...and by "they" I mean Metro Police. 01:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: if people refused to eat there, because they don't want to associate with a business with standards like that, there's an economic pressure to resolve it 01:18 < remoford> Corydon: and that isnt right (for a gas station, its ok for a fancy resturant) 01:18 <@someninjamaster> theres a big if though 01:19 <@someninjamaster> there are alot of racists out there 01:19 <@Dagmar> Given their lead, people will find ways to hate each other. 01:19 < remoford> true 01:19 < remoford> but dont get all german about it 01:20 < remoford> by which i mena the anti-hate legislation 01:21 < remoford> i think if you are operating an establishment that is generally open to the public (a college, gas station, resturant or bar) then you have to follow vertian rules 01:21 < remoford> and one of those should be that you cant just dicate away other ppls rights cuase its your square foot 01:21 < remoford> such a right being gun carry 01:21 < remoford> or reasonable free speech 01:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Who determines what is reasonable? 01:22 < remoford> a private residence or a masonic temple, those arent open to the public and can have such restrictions 01:22 < remoford> the jury 01:22 < remoford> desides whats reasonable 01:22 < remoford> or the judge, depending 01:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, goodie, a society where everything is decided by lawsuit 01:23 < remoford> sometimes 01:23 <@freakn> Heart of Atlanta v. U.S. provides a basis to legal basis to ban various discrimination in public places remotely associated with interstate commerce (be surrprised what they can connect to interstate commerce) 01:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Most businesses would prefer to stay out of court 01:23 < remoford> litigation is abused badly in the us but sometimes its the right way to settle a dispute 01:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Rarely 01:24 < remoford> altho, we shoudl bring back dueling as an alternative 01:24 -!- Synx_hm [n=Synx_hm@202.131.168.9.cmts4.guam.net] has joined #se2600 01:24 < Synx_hm> anyone still awake 01:24 <@someninjamaster> haha 01:24 < remoford> that woudl solve some inner city problems 01:24 <@freakn> I think it has been quoted in a slew of other cases 01:24 <@someninjamaster> sup synx 01:24 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford: can I duel with an ICBM? 01:24 < Synx_hm> this fucking time diff is killing me 01:24 <@someninjamaster> im guessing your in guam 01:24 < remoford> Corydon76-dig: you setup two bases in antartice, sure, go for it 01:24 < Synx_hm> good guess 01:25 <@Corydon76-dig> I have a few choice assholes that I'd like to nuke 01:25 <@someninjamaster> what is it like 5 there 01:25 < Synx_hm> what are you playing, defcon? 01:25 <@someninjamaster> nukeing isnt good for asshole 01:26 <@someninjamaster> knifing is better for that 01:26 < Synx_hm> yikes 01:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Poison would work well, too 01:26 < remoford> nuking is good for everything 01:26 <@someninjamaster> yeah but it they are a real asshole you want it to be upclose and personal 01:27 < remoford> mini nuke 01:27 < Synx_hm> ever see the vid of that canon shot nuke? 01:27 < remoford> yknow the rumored halfnium isomer bomb is supposed ot be quite small 01:27 < remoford> its just xrays but damn 01:28 < remoford> Synx_hm: that thing had a littel problem with standoff distance 01:28 < remoford> tiny little bomb tho 01:29 < Synx_hm> remoford: actually i think it was far enough away, they can shoot shit fairly far 01:29 < Synx_hm> still prob not a very good idea for modern warefar 01:29 < Synx_hm> err 01:29 < Synx_hm> warfare 01:29 < remoford> the idea tho 01:29 < remoford> was to clear an area and then be able to move thru it 01:29 < Synx_hm> good point 01:30 < remoford> and thats just a bad idea 01:30 < remoford> nukes arent for infantry 01:30 < Synx_hm> torrent the trinity and what not videos 01:30 < remoford> ive got the whole lot of em on vhs 01:30 < Synx_hm> there are some awsome movies , i cant remember the people who relesed them.. something like atomic blah 01:30 < Synx_hm> but theres quite a few, some about the people who shot the vids 01:31 < Synx_hm> awsome shit 01:31 < Synx_hm> and the starfish project and what not 01:32 <@freakn> I think the nuclear gun was project Annie or something. "Trinity and Beyond" is a great DVD 01:32 < Synx_hm> yes the people who made trinity and beyond made a bunch of other films 01:33 <@freakn> I do need to get the box set 01:33 < remoford> yknow that spacecraft that rammed the comet was pretty good, but nuking the comet wouldve been better 01:33 < remoford> get a look at the inside 01:33 < Synx_hm> search mininova for 'atomic filmmakers' 01:34 < Synx_hm> never mind that comes up with shit 01:34 < Synx_hm> but you get the idea 01:45 <@someninjamaster> synx hows the weather there 01:49 < Synx_hm> its been around 85 the entire time 01:49 < Synx_hm> but humid but not too bad 01:49 < Synx_hm> and has rained just a bit 01:49 < Synx_hm> 85 at 1am 85 at noon 01:49 < Synx_hm> its beautiful 01:51 <@someninjamaster> my grandfather was a construction worker there after ww2 01:53 < Synx_hm> cool 01:53 < Synx_hm> finally got out a bit today on the island 01:53 < Synx_hm> this is my first weekend here 01:53 < Synx_hm> might goto the beach tomorrow 02:02 < Synx_hm> sucks i dont get online when all my friends are up 02:04 < Synx_hm> haha 02:04 < Synx_hm> ~minilink http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/USGU0004?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_business 02:04 < Synx_hm> ~minilink 02:05 < Synx_hm> anyways its either 81 or 82 for the next 10 days 02:05 < Synx_hm> haha 02:14 <@someninjamaster> haha that must suck 02:14 < Synx_hm> ya 02:54 < Synx_hm> well im out 02:54 < Synx_hm> you all take care 02:55 < Synx_hm> ill be back later 02:55 -!- Synx_hm [n=Synx_hm@202.131.168.9.cmts4.guam.net] has quit ["leaving"] 05:29 <@Dagmar> Pfft/ 05:29 <@Dagmar> Im calling the plant ops people once the sun comes up 05:29 <@Dagmar> It's 64F in the damn office. 05:30 <@Dagmar> Someone's fixing this shit today 08:07 * Catonic passes Dagmar a heater 08:16 <@Catonic> I never thought I'd see "We R In UR outstanding shares Killing ur control" on userfriendly.. 08:24 -!- Catonic [n=cinotac@cs6625115-206.bham.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:13 <@sdodson> bah, stock options 09:14 < ware> wee 09:14 < ware> backup failed last night 09:14 < ware> so no migration today 09:15 < ware> and its all DAGMARS FAULT! 09:15 <@Dagmar> Beg pardon? 09:15 <@Dagmar> *sigh* 09:16 < ware> im glad i dont have to go, so thank you! 09:17 <@sdodson> are you still drunk? 09:18 < ware> no. but i apologize for last night 09:19 <@sdodson> You always do. 09:19 < ware> not alwasy 09:20 <@sdodson> http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/63-expensive-sandwiches/ Ate at an expensive sandwich place yesterday 10:09 <@sdodson> Apparently newer higher density drives are rivaling the performance of the Raptor drives. 10:20 * polerin sighs 10:21 <@sdodson> polerin: what are you bitching about now? 10:23 <@polerin> the usual 10:23 <@polerin> hating my job 10:23 <@polerin> I'm the only advanced tech here today, serving roughly 300 people :P 10:26 <@Corydon76-dig> So they think you're Superwoman? 10:30 <@polerin> no, they just can't plan ahead 10:30 * polerin shrugs 10:30 <@sdodson> polerin: 300 calls? 10:31 <@polerin> no 10:31 <@polerin> 300 people 10:31 <@polerin> they may or may not call me 10:31 <@polerin> a good majority they can do themself now, and work through their dispatchers 10:31 <@sdodson> You're at comcast? 10:31 <@sdodson> oh, internal customers 10:31 <@polerin> but once a call gets to a specific point, I have to do it 10:40 -!- MudFlap [n=chatzill@c-98-193-130-156.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o MudFlap] by ChanServ 10:48 -!- MudFlap [n=chatzill@c-98-193-130-156.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 10:54 <@dc0de> mr0nin all 10:57 <@polerin> mernoningeroning 11:14 <@polerin> awesome 11:14 <@polerin> seven calls waiting on 2 people 11:14 <@polerin> pure winnage 11:14 * brimstone calls polerin for installation support 11:14 <@polerin> oop third person jumps in the queue 11:14 <@polerin> heh, not too many people know how to get ahold of me on the phone ;P 11:15 <@polerin> it's not easy 11:17 <@Corydon76-dig> You can't just call up and ask for Erin? 11:18 <@polerin> :P 11:18 <@polerin> no 11:18 <@polerin> if I were part of the CSR teams you MIGHT be able to get me that way 11:19 <@polerin> but you'd have to be pretty damn convincing to get to me through the standard phone contacts for non-technicians 11:21 <@Corydon76-dig> What about faking an emergency? 11:23 <@polerin> it'd probably take a good 15-20 minutes if you're lucky, and if you're not they probably still wouldn't get you over because they are incompitent 11:23 <@polerin> ;p 11:23 <@polerin> the more info you know about me the easier it would be obviously, but it's still rigged against anyone trying 11:23 <@polerin> hehe 11:24 <@polerin> not that you can't, it's just not the easiest contact method around ;P 11:28 -!- someninjamaster [n=someninj@c-68-53-159-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["gone to sleep"] 11:30 -!- dc0de [i=dc0de@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has quit ["brb"] 11:31 -!- dc0de [i=dc0de@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #se2600 11:53 -!- Catonic [n=cinotac@adsl-068-209-203-168.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 11:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 11:59 <@ladymerlin> whee 12:00 <@Catonic> sup kidlet? 12:00 <@ladymerlin> well shmoo rocks 12:02 <@Catonic> cool 12:02 <@Catonic> I keep meaning to bump into thier wireless guys, but never do 12:03 <@Catonic> ~date 12:03 <@Catonic> ~hello 12:04 <@Catonic> Alas, poor MxZbot, I knew him well... 12:04 <@ladymerlin> lol 12:04 <@Catonic> I am at work. 12:04 <@Catonic> ladymerlin: HEY GUESS WHAT?! UAB has a 14-0 record in men's basketball... 12:05 <@Catonic> let's hear it for not-quite top-tier college athletics! 12:05 <@ladymerlin> haha 12:07 <@ladymerlin> has anyone seen rattel on here today? 12:07 <@ladymerlin> was he comeing to shmoo? 12:08 <@Catonic> he said he was last night 12:08 <@ladymerlin> i mean since he lives here and all 12:08 <@ladymerlin> ah 12:09 <@Catonic> I think I'm going to buy a car soon. 12:09 <@ladymerlin> whatch gonna get 12:21 <@Catonic> That I don't know. 12:21 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-68-53-28-179.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:45 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-68-33-250-220.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 12:48 <@notlarry> Evilpig: are you here? 13:01 <@SkyDog_> He's playing with himself. 13:01 <@SkyDog_> ON WOW. Sorry, should have specified. 13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Afternoon, SkyDog_ 13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> How's the hangover? 13:03 < dc0de> Sup SkyDog_ 13:03 < dc0de> w00f! 13:03 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@pool-71-251-63-38.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 13:03 < dc0de> how'z shmoo? 13:03 * Catonic phases in 13:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: getting a new police cruiser? 13:03 * dc0de turns off the transporter mid-stream 13:03 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: oh yeah... 2004 Crown Vic, 250hp, 200A alternator.. 13:04 <@Catonic> dc0de, SkyDog_... I have questions for you guys... 13:04 < dc0de> Catonic where do you get these things? 13:04 < dc0de> Catonic shoot. 13:04 <@Catonic> I've been in a lot of pain lately... we had an aikido seminar, and I've been rolling wrong about three days in a row.. 13:04 < dc0de> what kind of pain? 13:04 <@Catonic> on top of this, I've been working out a bit... 13:05 < dc0de> where? 13:05 <@Catonic> back, shoulders. 13:05 < dc0de> describe it. 13:05 <@Catonic> well, now that I mention it, I can't replicate it 13:05 <@Corydon76-dig> sharp pain? Dull? Aching? 13:05 < dc0de> hrm... phantom pain? 13:06 <@Catonic> I guess the question is... for pain that isn't to the point of "oh shit, that's broke/hurt/whatever DON'T DO THAT" ... what's the next best way out? 13:06 < dc0de> aspirin 13:06 <@Catonic> 500/1000 mg of ib. or acemenophen? 13:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Ibuprofen 13:06 < dc0de> warm heat on effected area. 13:06 < dc0de> is it muscular or joint/bone? 13:07 <@Catonic> im just getting really concerned because it seems like my shoulders and back are nothing but snap-crackle pop within 48 hours of working out. 13:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Tiger Balm or BioFreeze, if you can find it 13:07 < dc0de> for muscular, I STRONGLY recommend Aspirin over acetomeniphin or Ibuprofen, as the Aspirin will fix the aches in the muscles 13:07 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Woof! 13:08 < dc0de> for joint pain, I recommend Ibuprofen, but be careful about mixing it with aspirin. 13:08 < dc0de> SkyDog_ how's Shmoo?! 13:08 <@SkyDog_> Dude, it's rocking. 13:09 < dc0de> sweet, sorry I can't be there... I'm working all weekend. 13:09 * dc0de is at the office 13:09 < dc0de> There's a talk at 3PM that I would like to get your opinion on... 13:09 <@SkyDog_> WHich one? 13:09 < dc0de> lemme look 13:09 <@Catonic> well, I'll give those a try and get back to you. 13:10 < dc0de> VoIP Penetration Testing: Lessons Learned 13:10 < dc0de> John Kindervag and Jason Ostrom 13:10 <@SkyDog_> I will try and jump into it. 13:10 < dc0de> let me know if you think it's old newz or not... seems to be a rehash of other stuff... 13:10 < dc0de> although, it's up against Simple Nomad, who's always a good speaker. 13:14 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-68-33-250-220.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:40 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@pool-71-251-63-38.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 13:53 <@Catonic> observation: make sure the user knows where and what the manual is before telling the user to RTFM. 13:56 <@brimstone> Social Respnsbility of Hackers? 14:17 <@polerin> hehe 14:22 < dc0de> Catonic that's just taking the whole "handholding" thing too far. 14:22 < dc0de> fuck 'em if they can't find the manual. 14:22 <@Catonic> I wish I could. 14:22 < dc0de> you'd get laid more? 14:22 <@Catonic> Then I found out the boss removed himself from the ticket, so I have to deal with Mr. I can't read the manual. 14:23 < dc0de> heh 14:23 <@Catonic> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-kitten-laptop-hungry.jpg 14:30 <@polerin> ~MUAHAHAHA 14:30 <@polerin> all bow down before the goddess of hsi 14:30 <@polerin> ALL cable modems are MY cable modems 14:31 * Catonic strips polerin of r00t on the cmts 14:35 <@polerin> phht 14:35 <@polerin> I need no root 14:36 <@Catonic> I am trying to decide on lunch.. 14:53 <@Evilpig> anyone talk to skytubby today? 14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> He was on earlier 14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> [12:48:12] Evilpig: are you here? 14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> [13:01:04] He's playing with himself. 14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> [13:01:17] ON WOW. Sorry, should have specified. 14:57 <@Evilpig> damnit. I tried calling him like 20 min ago. 14:57 <@Evilpig> but I was in the movies then 14:57 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: how powerfull is your laser pointer? 14:57 < ware> see Jumper? 14:57 <@brimstone> 50mW? 14:58 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: yeah, 50 14:58 <@brimstone> kk, thx 14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: you're going to get the one just higher, right? ;-) 14:59 <@brimstone> nah, I-MOD was asking, but he's too lazy and i'm already on irc 14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh 15:00 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: whoever dies with the biggest toys wins 15:02 <@brimstone> yup yup, you know the rules 15:02 * dc0de loses 15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> or smallest, but most powerful and/or most fun 15:11 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: Yo. 15:11 <@SkyDog_> what cah need? 15:12 -!- someninjamaster [n=someninj@c-68-53-159-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o someninjamaster] by ChanServ 15:12 <@Evilpig> how dare you not know who sent you that pic 15:12 <@Evilpig> sheesh 15:17 <@SkyDog_> Sorry. Didn't recognize the number, as it went to my email, and did not come to my phone. 15:17 <@SkyDog_> when you txted me, I recognized the number. 15:17 <@SkyDog_> That's the monitor you were talking about, right? 15:18 <@SkyDog_> Damn sexy setup. 15:19 < ware> hey tubster 15:19 < ware> hows smoo 15:19 < ware> shmoo* 15:20 <@SkyDog_> ware: You are not allowed to call me that. 15:20 < ware> rofl my bad 15:20 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig on the other hand, is. 15:20 <@SkyDog_> It's pretty fucking cool. 15:20 < ware> bigman? 15:20 <@SkyDog_> We're getting alot of attention for PN and OZ. 15:20 <@SkyDog_> ware: That works. 15:20 < ware> cool 15:21 <@SkyDog_> Iam supposed to speak to a washington post reporter later. 15:21 < ware> haha whatd that last reported for OZ say 15:21 < ware> something about Black Cat hackers? 15:21 < ware> :P 15:21 < ware> reporter* 15:21 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, he was a dork. 15:22 <@SkyDog_> I hate the whole media hype behind the hacker name. 15:22 <@someninjamaster> we should change our names 15:22 < ware> yeah it annoys me when friends say im a hacker condescendingly 15:23 < ware> like being a geek is a bad thing or something.. sheesh 15:24 <@sdodson> It's just that you're weird. 15:26 < ware> HA 15:27 < ware> weird is relative 15:28 < dc0de> SkyDog_ ping 15:51 <@someninjamaster> coil im using linkinus 15:52 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-9-97-92.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 15:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v scort] by ChanServ 16:18 <@dasunt> Wow. 16:18 <@dasunt> http://www.livevideo.com/video/8B99DD2B021046CAB14840E2DD302AC7/horrifically-spoiled-beauty-qu.aspx?tx_category=1 16:19 <@Catonic> lmfao.. 16:19 <@Catonic> skytubby... priceless... 16:19 <@Catonic> I will always remember the immortal words of Jay: "Flee, fatass! Flee!" 16:20 <@Catonic> http://www.nabeels.com/menu.html <- I had this for lunch. It was good. 16:20 <@Catonic> Upon ordering one, I realized it has been almost ten years since I have had a canoli. 16:24 <@someninjamaster> what is the paypal security key 16:27 < ware> Catonic: me?! 16:28 <@Catonic> ware: no, Jay as in Jason Mewes 16:37 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-170-152.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 16:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o tcstool] by ChanServ 16:47 <@rattle> God damnit. I've got some kinda stomach thing going on. 16:48 <@Catonic> lol 16:48 <@Catonic> rattle has conflu! 16:49 <@Catonic> There's always a leper about at the con... 16:49 <@rattle> I think whatever Neoteric cooked last night did something evil.. 16:50 <@Catonic> The last time I had a real gutblender was when I ate at a chinese restaurant.. 16:50 -!- MudFlap [n=chatzill@c-98-193-130-156.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o MudFlap] by ChanServ 16:50 <@Catonic> so it's possible, but unlikely... I'm sure Neoteric is a much better and more attenative chef than the place I ate at. 16:51 <@rhia> dasunt: .... thanks - after viewing that, my brains are melting out of my ears ...... 16:57 <+scort> 7hi 16:57 <@dasunt> rhia: It is pretty horrible, isn't it? 16:57 <@rhia> dasunt: that's being kind about it 17:00 <@Catonic> wow. 17:00 <@Catonic> I love this stuff... 17:01 <@Catonic> just utterly amazing what some people do to thier kids... 17:01 <@Catonic> I feel sorry for her when she gets to college... 17:01 <@rhia> i don't - 17:02 <@Catonic> she'll probably join a sorority and fill her hollow life with binge drinking and capricious sex 17:02 <@rhia> but i do feel sorry for any future roommates, etc 17:04 <@dasunt> College? 17:04 <@dasunt> I'm guessing her future is porn. 17:04 <@rhia> community college - unless mommy takes her SATs etc for her 17:04 <@rhia> considering mommy does her school work already 17:06 <@Catonic> no, she's not skinny enough for porn 17:06 <@Catonic> I mean, today's porn stars... wow... 17:06 <@dasunt> Okay, whoring herself. 17:06 <@Catonic> WOW... 17:06 <@dasunt> Hey, what does Shiki No Uta translate to? 17:07 <@Catonic> "wrong hole" 17:07 <@rhia> but think dasunt is more correct - pr0n, or living with mommy and daddy until she lands some old rich guy 17:08 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-76-22-253-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:08 <@Catonic> I still think she'll be a sorostitute 17:08 <@Catonic> her shallow life is based on external meaning events... without anyone around to tell her she's pretty, she's going to put on weight and spiral into depression 17:09 <@Catonic> all it takes is for some guy to come along and tell her she looks pretty and she'll blow him like a $900 hooker just to keep him around. 17:09 <@rhia> nah, she already KNOWS she's pretty -- 17:09 <@dasunt> She might make a decent trophy wife. 17:10 <@Catonic> she's not my definition of pretty. 17:10 <@dasunt> The sort where the husband has a mistress the entire time. 17:10 <@dasunt> I'm guessing she's too spoiled for high society though. 17:10 <@rhia> but if some guy comes along and buys her more expensive presents - EVERY FRICKING DAY - than mommy & daddy.... 17:10 <@dasunt> Maybe she'll catch ebola. 17:11 <@Catonic> she has no self worth 17:11 <@rhia> dasunt: high society would eat her alive - but local small town country club society? ... yeah, maybe 17:11 <@Catonic> and probably less self-esteem behind the fragile shell 17:11 <@Catonic> rhia: bingo, ya got it 17:12 <@dasunt> Can you imagine her children? 17:12 <@rhia> Catonic: she has no worth - but is currently too young and selfish to recognize that .... she's prime material for a HUGE crash when she's no longer THE Queen of everything in her world 17:13 <@Catonic> isn't that what I just said? :) 17:13 <@rhia> dasunt: what? and you think she'd ruin her figure for some mewling thing that has, like, needs? pffft - 17:14 <@Catonic> no, she's definately an attention whore... 17:14 <@rhia> Catonic: right now, she is not lacking in self-esteem - mostly cuz there's not a lot of self there - but tons of selfishness 17:14 <@Catonic> mark my words, nothing good can come of dating that woman... 17:14 <@Catonic> the sex will probably be fantastic, as you'd expect for a crazy person 17:15 <@Catonic> but beyond that... Good luck getting out of it unscathed 17:15 <@rhia> for voyeur types, but i'd bet she's too wrapped up in herself to be a good partner to anyone else "Ewww, you want to touch What?!?" 17:16 <@dasunt> rhia: That's a given. 17:16 <@dasunt> She doesn't need a partner, she needs a servant. 17:17 <@rhia> bingo 17:19 <@someninjamaster> dasunt: i think song of 4 seasons 17:19 <@dasunt> someninjamaster: ??? I don't catch the reference. 17:19 <@someninjamaster> dasunt 17:19 <@someninjamaster> 17:06:49 17:19 <@someninjamaster> Hey, what does Shiki No Uta translate to? 17:20 <@dasunt> someninjamaster: Oh, thanks. 17:20 <@someninjamaster> its not a bad song 17:21 <@dasunt> Who originally does it? 17:21 <@dasunt> I came across it on a metal album I picked up. 17:22 <@someninjamaster> the version i have was sung by minmi 17:22 <@dasunt> This one is Helloween. 17:22 <@someninjamaster> its the ending song of the anime samuari champloo 17:33 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-68-33-250-220.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 17:52 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@pool-71-251-63-38.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 18:01 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-68-33-250-220.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:09 -!- MudFlap [n=chatzill@c-98-193-130-156.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 18:22 < dc0de> someninjamaster 18:23 < dc0de> someninjamaster the paypal security key is a Vasco token used as a two-factor authentication to your Paypal and Ebay accounts. 18:23 < dc0de> I have one, and they work great. 18:24 < hobbes615> SkyDog_, you there? 18:25 < dc0de> hobbes615 he's at Shmoocon, doubt we'll see him until much later. 18:25 < hobbes615> ah ok, i stopped by there today, didnt have his number 18:26 < dc0de> find a security guy called Freshman, and ask Freshman for SkyDog_ 18:26 < hobbes615> mmkay 18:26 < hobbes615> might go back tomorrow 18:27 < hobbes615> i dont have a ticket so i just sorta walked around 18:27 < dc0de> Freshman can find him. 18:28 < hobbes615> cool 18:28 < hobbes615> thankya 18:29 < dc0de> np 18:47 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-9-97-92.satx.res.rr.com] has left #se2600 ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 18:57 <@Catonic> just call his cell 18:57 <@Catonic> 1-900-4-SKYDOG 19:05 -!- Opheria [i=Opheria@c-69-180-209-3.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #Se2600 19:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Opheria] by ChanServ 19:11 < strages> if he doesn't have that, he totally needs to 19:14 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-170-152.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:14 -!- Catonic [n=cinotac@adsl-068-209-203-168.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:21 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-170-152.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 19:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o tcstool] by ChanServ 19:35 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-170-152.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:39 -!- Catonic [n=cinotac@cs6625115-206.bham.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 19:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 20:01 -!- cerkit [i=cerkit@point1.infophobia.net] has joined #se2600 20:22 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@pool-71-251-63-38.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:34 -!- MudFlap [n=chatzill@c-98-193-130-156.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o MudFlap] by ChanServ 20:55 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:11 -!- MudFlap [n=chatzill@c-98-193-130-156.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 21:44 -!- adrenaline [n=repsol@wsip-68-15-180-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:27 -!- cordless [i=cordless@c-68-54-226-63.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o cordless] by ChanServ 22:35 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-9-97-92.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 22:35 -!- jonnyx [n=jonnyx@adsl-098-068-041-004.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:35 < scort> hi 22:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v scort] by ChanServ 22:44 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 22:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 22:55 <@dasunt> If I'm looking for $25-ish headphones, what brand should I look for? 22:56 < Feltenix> if you are lucky, plantronics 22:56 -!- cordless [i=cordless@c-68-54-226-63.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:00 <@someninjamaster> so the paypal key is worth 5 bucks 23:01 <@dasunt> Should I spend a little more? 23:01 <@dasunt> For the most part, I'm not an audiophile. 23:02 < Feltenix> then, no 23:02 <@dasunt> What do the plantronics offer? 23:02 <@brimstone> blatter busting sound quality 23:02 < Feltenix> be sure to get a pair with a metal band connecting the earpieces as plastics tend to wear out quickly 23:02 <@brimstone> bowel shaking bass 23:03 <@brimstone> more highs and lows then your last marriage 23:04 <@dasunt> Hey, I only had one marriage. 23:04 <@dasunt> Bass is nice. 23:04 < dc0de> someninjamaster yes, it's worth 5 buckds 23:04 < dc0de> s/buckds/bucks 23:06 <@dasunt> Earbuds suck, btw. 23:07 <@dasunt> So what is this paypal key? 23:07 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-9-97-92.satx.res.rr.com] has quit ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 23:08 <@brimstone> hey, windows inside vmware on a cpu that supports virtualization is slick 23:10 <@sdodson> huh? 23:10 -!- scort [i=scott@cpe-67-9-97-92.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 23:11 <@brimstone> it's so fast! 23:11 <@brimstone> i'm used to 2k or xp inside qemu on a powerpc by the way 23:11 * scort scratches his head 23:16 < dc0de> dasunt -justfuckinggoogleit.com 23:16 <@dasunt> dc0de: I'm old and drunk. 23:24 <@ShadowHntr> i'm gonna sound tacky for recommending this 23:24 <@ShadowHntr> but dasunt, look for the Koss headphones at Walmart for about $19.99. They're decent for that pricerange, and they also throw in some earbuds for free in the package. 23:25 <@dasunt> Koss? Okay, will do. 23:25 <@ShadowHntr> also 23:25 <@ShadowHntr> check out this site 23:25 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/full-size/ 23:27 <@dasunt> *looks* 23:28 <@dasunt> There's $1k headphones? ?? 23:29 <@dasunt> I like the Koss UR20s, they look like the headphones I just ruined. 23:30 <@ShadowHntr> i'd love to have these 23:30 <@ShadowHntr> http://cgi.ebay.com/Denon-DNHP-1000-Dj-Headphones-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ190198711510QQihZ009QQcategoryZ14985QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 23:41 <@dasunt> Random whims, a credit card number, alcohol and access to amazon may be a bad idea. 23:43 <@ShadowHntr> ROFLMAO 23:46 <@dasunt> Although alcohol-inspared searching skills and obscure musical tastes somewhat offsets alcohol-impaired-restraint and the credit card number. 23:46 <@ShadowHntr> lol 23:46 <@ShadowHntr> obscure musical tastes? i thought that was MY forte. ;) 23:47 <@dasunt> I was trying to find Lumsk yesterday. 23:47 <@ShadowHntr> MMM K 23:47 <@ShadowHntr> ack 23:47 <@dasunt> You don't like? 23:47 <@dasunt> I can understand. 23:48 <@ShadowHntr> hadn't heard of them 23:48 <@ShadowHntr> looks intriguing. 23:48 <@dasunt> they are an acquired taste. 23:48 <@ShadowHntr> i've got some Die Prinzen - German acapella music. 23:48 <@dasunt> Ooooh! 23:50 <@ShadowHntr> they're actually quite good. 23:50 <@ShadowHntr> dasunt: http://remix.kwed.org/ 23:50 <@ShadowHntr> search for machinae supremacy 23:50 <@dasunt> I've heard them. 23:51 <@dasunt> They aren't bad. 23:51 <@dasunt> I think I might have one of their "free" mp3s. 23:51 <@ShadowHntr> lol 23:52 <@ShadowHntr> www.slayradio.org 23:53 <@dasunt> You listen to Therion, btw? 23:53 -!- someninjamaster [n=someninj@c-68-53-159-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["gone to sleep"] 23:54 <@dasunt> Okay, Google + alcohol + amazon + credit card number may be very bad. 23:54 <@dasunt> I'm kinda wanting to pick up some Virgil Fox now. 23:57 <@dasunt> And now I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac. 23:57 <@dasunt> Rather mundane --- Log closed Sun Feb 17 00:00:13 2008