--- Log opened Thu Feb 07 00:00:46 2008
00:28 <@Dagmar> There should be a statute forbidding leaving wind chimes up when the wind is over 15 mph
00:30 <@Evilpig> hey dag.  check out the eye.  http://extremeguild.info/dkp/plugins/bossprogress/bossprogress.php
00:30 <@Dagmar> eye?
00:30 <@Evilpig> Tempest Keep:  The Eye.  25 man instance there in netherstorm.
00:31 <@Evilpig> last stop before Mount Hyjal
00:31 <@Dagmar> Ahh... Okay
00:31 <@Dagmar> We've not done that one yet
00:31 <@Dagmar> Done Botanica and Mekanar a few times, on Heroic even
00:31 <@Evilpig> we just killed kael for the first time tonight.  everyone is fucking happy as shit
00:31 <@Evilpig> mechanaar is pretty easy heroic.  can't say I have ever done bot though.
00:32 <@rattle> Did you know that Condoleezza Rice has accidentally referred to Bush as her husband before?
00:32 <@Dagmar> Some of those blood elves will _beat you like a little girl_
00:32 <@Dagmar> All you'll get to see is your toon waving it's arms in front in a futile attempt to stave off blows
00:33 <@Dagmar> Next time we're in Botanica, I gotta get me one of them dragonhawks, because leveling the one I have is too damn slow
00:43 <+coil> !minicity
00:43 <@brimstone> Population: 11934 Revenues: 2782900 Unemployment: 0% Transports: 100% Criminality: 0% Pollution: 1% 1539 ahead of loloclaudie
00:48 <@rattle> The criminality is down to 0% now?  What the fuck?  Does that mean someone needs to start dosing?  And we really gotta keep the momentum on the pollution..
00:49 <@rattle> The 0% unemployment sounds great though.  Just like a perfect dictatorship.
00:50 <@rattle> Actually..  Given the low unemployment, crime, et cetera..  We are approaching Singapore...
00:50 <@rattle> Get out the beating sticks!
00:51 <@Dagmar> Except you and I know that how they come up with those unemployment figures is crap
00:53 <@rattle> No shit.
00:53 <@rattle> The way those are done, I've filtered into the buckets for everything from student to completely off the radar largely since 2001.
00:54 <@rattle> Almost all of my employment in the past six years has been 1099.
00:54 <@rattle> Speaking of which, this is the time of the year, that if you have the right timing, you always have a chance of seeing me cry.
00:55 <@rattle> Big fucking tears.
00:55 <@rattle> I've finally gotten all the key paperwork to sit down and figure out my tax liability.
00:55 <@Dagmar> lol
00:55 <@rattle> This means, as usual, I go from feeling like I've done a good job of saving money to feeling as if I've been raped in my ass.
00:55 <@rattle> With a tree.
00:56 <@Dagmar> Dude you gotta keep socking away the tax payments as you go along in a separate account or you wind up in those spots
00:56 <@rattle> I do!
00:56 <@rattle> Seriously.  But it still feels like I
00:56 <@rattle> I'm being raped with a tree.
00:56 <@rattle> Every time.
00:56 <@Dagmar> Well, you could also try, um, paying quarterly.
00:56 <@Dagmar> THey don't complain about that I hear
00:56 <@Dagmar> Then you'd be dealing with smaller numbers
00:57 <@rattle> Yes..  Tree versus branches.
00:57 <@rattle> I just get fucked all good at once and get to feel it..
00:57 <@rattle> Although next year will be different.
00:57 <@rattle> I screwed up this year..  Big time.
00:58 <@rattle> If things went along to plan, I was going to be paying for my parents to have a new porch and a chunk of bulkhead instead..
00:58 <@Dagmar> Yes, next year you'll probably be getting your paycheck _from_ the IRS, after they're done using the money to fund the war
00:58 <@rattle> No point explaining how that worked..
00:59 <@rattle> It didn't..
00:59 <@rattle> Gr.
00:59 <@rattle> And I don't get any of that money.
00:59 <@rattle> Hell, I work for a non-profit.
01:00 <@Corydon76-dig> How is it that your investment company isn't paying taxes on your income?
01:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Why not just request it?
01:00 <@Dagmar> Bleh.  Need more caffiene.  It's a shame the snack shop next door ahs no idea WTF snacks are supposed to be
01:00 <@rattle> Yeah.  That's funny.
01:01 <@Dagmar> Real potato chips do not look and feel like plastic.
01:01 <@Dagmar> ...oh and they have a flavor.
01:01 <@rattle> I bounced so I could make it through college.  I'm running all on past year income.
01:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Even with all the money on my 1099s, I still get a refund (less than otherwise, but still)
01:01 <@rattle> My credit rocks.  No debt.  No past shit still on record.
01:02 <@rattle> Just pools of liquid..
01:03 <@rattle> Honestly, given what I get for it, I can't complain about taxes much..  I can complain about polices though, because I still think the allocations and accountability of spending are fucked..
01:15 <+coil> hi
01:15  * coil rattles rattle 
01:17 <@rattle> Eh?
01:17 <+coil> high
01:18 <@rattle> Ok.  Hi.
01:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Don't fuck with rattle, man.  He will totally roll around on the floor with you.
01:19 <@rattle> Na, I'm sober this evening.
01:19 <+coil> i didn't
01:19 <+coil> i was just saying what's up
01:19 <+coil> butt out cor!
01:20  * Corydon76-dig rolls around on the floor with coil
01:21 <@rattle> Ok..  I think a got a metric to base a pointless but humorous argument against.
01:21 <@rattle> What is the standard deduction at this time?
01:22 <@rattle> Would you be willing to pay a fee, equal to the standard deduction, if that was required to drive on the interstate highway system?
01:22 <@rattle> I think I might.
01:22 <@Corydon76-dig> $5350
01:22 <@rattle> Especially if it meant a shitload of other folks couldn't..
01:22 <@rattle> There's a way to solve the energy crisis!  The highway tax.  Haw.
01:23 <@rattle> "My friend got shot for his ez-pass!"
01:23 <@Corydon76-dig> We already pay a highway tax, in the form of a tax on gasoline
01:23 <@Corydon76-dig> People who drive the most pay the most upkeep
01:23 <@rattle> Shhhh!
01:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Kinda breaks, though, with hybrid vehicles
01:25 <@rattle> I want a diesel hybrid.
01:25 <@rattle> Hell, I just want a diesel.
01:27 <@Corydon76-dig> I think I'd prefer nuclear fusion-powered
01:27 <@Corydon76-dig> with a side effect of solving the Helium crisis
01:27 <@rattle> There is a helium crisis?
01:28 <@Corydon76-dig> It's projected that our main helium mining fields will run dry in just 8 years
01:29 <@rattle> Yeah..  I'm googling about it right now.  Hadn't heard about that.
01:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Of course, I believe that about as much as I believe that we'll run out of petroleum wells in 20 years
01:30 <@ShadowHntr> oil shale in colorado
01:30 <@ShadowHntr> oil sands in alberta
01:30 <@ShadowHntr> we tap into those we could easily cut our dependance on foreign oil by at least 1/3
01:30 <@Corydon76-dig> shale still hasn't been made economically viable
01:30 <@rattle> Well, if we could figure out how to crack shale efficiently..
01:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Takes more energy to extract the oil than the oil produces
01:31 <@rattle> The most reasonable plan I've heard involves having a nuclear power plant used to generate the juice necessary to crack the shale..
01:31 <@rattle> So it's like of like a weird energy transference/storage thing when it comes down to it..
01:33 <@ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Power_2010_Program
01:33 <@ShadowHntr> Westinghouse Electric Company got bought out last year by Toshiba
01:33 <@ShadowHntr> or was it in '05
01:34 <@ShadowHntr> Westinghouse was one of the larger nuclear power station designers, as well as GE and Babcock & Wilcox
01:34 <@rattle> Toshiba has been doing some cool stuff with plant design.
01:34 <@ShadowHntr> yeah i read about their designs
01:34 <@rattle> Don't they have some ultra-mini plant going live in Japan this year?
01:34 <@ShadowHntr> the "nuclear battery" for Galena, Alaska
01:34 <@ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant
01:35 <@ShadowHntr> it's a small reactor developed by Toshiba, liquid sodium cooled
01:35 <@ShadowHntr> if it's licensed, Toshiba will install it for free
01:36 <@rattle> As a side note..  A few weeks ago the video from the 1995 accident at the plant in Japan that uses sodium for cooling leaked..
01:37 <@ShadowHntr> i saw that.
01:37 <@ShadowHntr> scary.
01:37 <@ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident
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02:25 <+coil> iihihih
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04:43 <@Catonic> Dagmar: you up?
04:49 <@Dagmar> Yes
05:39 <@Catonic> fucker
05:39 <@Catonic> I turn my back, then you pop up
05:39 <@Catonic> nevermind, I found the answer I was looking for...
05:39 <@Catonic> /etc/slackware-version
05:42 <@Catonic> I am starting to loathe Linux.
05:42 <@Dagmar> Just too damn obvious, isn't it
05:42 <@Catonic> a million different package systems, all incompatible.
05:43 <@Catonic> a million different ideologies about where this that and the other should go...
05:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, if it came from a different packager, then god only knows what it's linked against
05:43 <@Catonic> I knew about /etc/redhat-release
05:43 <@Catonic> and with *BSD, I just do a uname -a
05:43 <@Catonic> same with solaris.
05:44 <@Dagmar> So stop updating your kernels.  ;)
05:44 <@Catonic> there's that fear as well... what's changed since the box was installed... what's the glibc...
05:44 <@Catonic> how the fuck do you update a kernel in the land of slack?
05:44 <@Dagmar> You just build a new one
05:45 <@Catonic> cd /usr/src ; make buildkernel ; make installkernel ; reboot ; die die die;
05:45 <@Catonic> initrd dependencies?
05:46 <@Dagmar> cd /usr/src/linux ; make mrproper ; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make all && make modules_install && make install
05:46 <@Dagmar> wedge mkinitrd in there wherever you like after make modules_install
05:46 <@Dagmar> sane people still avoid initrd unless they have a damn good reason for needing one
05:47 <@Catonic> danke
05:48 <@Dagmar> Not many people (actually, no one that I've ever known) have had so much hardware support required to boot that they absolutely had to have an initrd, with the exception of some raid controllers
05:48 <@Catonic> I downloaded slackware on dvd and installed it in a virtual machine... very painless... unfortunately, I didn't learn a lot from the process.
05:48 <@Catonic> qlc?
05:48 <@Dagmar> Use slapt-get to upgrade to -current and then spend the next week figuring out how to unfux0r the machine.
05:48 <@Dagmar> That'll teach you loads.
05:48 <@Dagmar> ;)
05:48 <@Catonic> I can't do that man.
05:49 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8
05:49 <@Catonic> I've had a slackware box thrust at me and the owner is adamantly refusing to reload with deadrat.
05:50 <@Dagmar> So what's apparently wrong with it?
05:50 <@Catonic> well, everything is updated manually...
05:50 <@Dagmar> Mainly with Slackware you only have to deal with that once a week at most
05:50 <@Dagmar> Hell you can just about safely automate it with rsync and upgradepkg *.tgz in the right subdirectory
05:50 <@Catonic> wouldn't be that bad, but you're talkiing about one machine that's got 100+ software packages that _have_ to be up to date by corporate mandate.
05:51 <@Dagmar> ...just be sure that it doesn't auto-update kernel-* or glibc-*
05:51 <@Dagmar> Those usually require some sort of brain to determine if shit will break, or special steps to install without making the box go nuts
05:51 <@Catonic> oh god no... nothing was built using stock packages... it's all tar -xzvf package.tar.gz ; cd $package ; ./configure --magic ; make ; make install..
05:51 <@Dagmar> lol
05:52 <@Catonic> I have a clue-by-four in my office, and we have a nice bus service here...
05:52 <@Dagmar> so then the issue isn't that it's a Slackware box, the issue is that the former admin had no idea how to keep a filesystem clean
05:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah, time to break out the clue-by-four
05:52 <@Catonic> it's taken a lot of restraint to keep from causing an accident
05:52 <@Catonic> $owner has political control; I can't force him to migrate.
05:53 <@Catonic> It's just one of those things... I don't want my app running on his box to become my cross to bear on how it was built and implemented.
05:53 <@Dagmar> The "just lobbing shit into the fs" method fails for a lot of reasons
05:53 <@Catonic> trust me, this guy is the master of fail.. and is slippery to prove it.
05:57 <@Dagmar> So, just wait for hte day when he has to replicate that machine, or document how it works
05:58 <@Catonic> ahahahahaha
05:58 <@Catonic> "if we lose $box, we'll just restore it from backups."
06:03 <@Dagmar> So what's he think he's going to do about managing knowing whether or not critical security updates need to be applied?
06:03 <@Dagmar> ...since it's pretty clear he has no damn clue what's installed on there for sure
06:09 <@Catonic> probably wait until the security officer taps him on the shoulder and says "you got sploitable software on $box."
06:09 <@Dagmar> That is ftl
06:09 <@Dagmar> 'cuz it's not likely to happen until there's a gaping asshole on the document root for the webserver no one set up on the machine.
06:10 <@sdodson> hi
06:10 <@Catonic> I should go to the gym
06:10 <@Dagmar> BTW, my plans for a goatse VISA have been ruined.
06:10 <@sdodson> me too
06:10 <@Catonic> damn
06:10 <@Catonic> that would kick ass.
06:10 <@sdodson> Man, and I was sure you would succeed
06:11 <@Dagmar> Apparently one is not allowed certain types of graphics one's "custom faced" VISA
06:12 <@Dagmar> It'd be a good way to hinder someone taking your wallet and doing anything much at a shopping mall with your credit card.
06:12 <@Dagmar> 'cuz they'll check the signature on something like that.
06:12 <@sdodson> If you lose $box you provision another one and restore configs from puppet and attach to data on your san?
06:12 <@Catonic> like the stickers at defcon above the payphones: "assume this phone is tapped"
06:12 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
06:13 <@sdodson> Ya, or going to a gas station and buying tons of gas for them and all their friends
06:13 <@Dagmar> Hell if you needed to tell the NSA or FBI something discreetly, those pay phones would be a good way to do it
06:14 <@Catonic> there is no "discreet" about the FBI or NSA.
06:14 <@Catonic> it doesn't matter what or where... they will bust in on you most unceremonially.
06:15 <@Dagmar> What's that got to do with tipping them off about something?>
06:15 <@sdodson> Did you accidentally spooge on an FBI agent as he was busting down your door?
06:15 <@Catonic> that... would be priceless..
06:16 <@sdodson> No needs for fingerprints Sir, I think we've got all we need.
06:16 <@Catonic> "Get... the... fuck... out... before... I... shoot... you..."
06:16 <@sdodson> Catonic: why you up so early?
06:17 <@Catonic> I'm chemically dependent on melatonin pills to sleep. And I forgot to take them.
06:17 <@sdodson> I took one.
06:17 <@sdodson> Then I got a call at 5am
06:17 <@sdodson> So I've designated today as my day to springboat the whole into work before 11:30am thing
06:18 <@Catonic> if I take one, I'm going to be out for 12 hours ad I've got too much shit to do today
06:18 <@sdodson> springboard
06:18 <@Catonic> at this rate, I won't be going out tonight.
06:18 <@sdodson> Are you Getting Things Done today?
06:19 <@Catonic> gotta do it some time.
06:19  * sdodson guesses not
06:19 <@Catonic> gotta fix the wabbit, get a haircut...
06:19 <@sdodson> Catonic: you going to be at oz?
06:19 <@Catonic> i already ate a chitload of stuff that's no good for me... so I'll have no problem doing cardio today...
06:19 <@Catonic> and tomorrow we bike 17 miles in mountainous terrain.
06:20 <@sdodson> I was close to even working out in the morning.
06:20 <@Catonic> http://www.asu.org/NashAikikai/seminars.html
06:20 <@sdodson> anyway, off to work
06:20 <@Catonic> oddly enough, I will be in nashville that weekend.
06:21 <@sdodson> my web browser hates me right now so i can't load that
06:21 <@sdodson> Catonic: ARE YOU CAPABLE OF ASKING QUESTIONS DIRECTLY POSED OF YOU?
06:21 <@Catonic> Yes.
06:21 <@sdodson> PLZBEANSWERING
06:21 <@sdodson> 07:19 <@sdodson> Catonic: you going to be at oz?
06:21 <@sdodson> 07:21 <@sdodson> 07:19 <@sdodson> Catonic: you going to be at oz?
06:21 <@Catonic> I will not be a OZ. It conflicts with an aikido seminar in Nashville.
06:22 <@sdodson> damn i typed all that out right as you were answering me :(
06:22 <@sdodson> sorry
06:23 <@Catonic> s'ok...
06:23 <@Catonic>  one gets a tough skin around here.
06:24 <@Catonic> oh fuck, I found Voltron on youtube....
06:35 <@Catonic> 1984...
06:35 <@Catonic> damn, I had classmates who five years from conception when I was watching that.
06:36 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msy7TtyAVIc
06:36 <@Catonic> you're welcome.
06:40 <@ladymerlin> whee
06:40 < ware> h0 sn4p!
06:42 < ware> think i got the sicklys
06:43 < ware> coughin up crap and achin'
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07:40 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:40 <@rattle> Morning.
07:59 <@Catonic> boo-ya. Got my cardio in.
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09:08 <@SkyDog_> Morning bitches.
09:08 <@SkyDog_> That's right, you know it.
09:08 <@SkyDog_> baudburn: You around?
09:12 <@SkyDog_> <Crickets//>
09:14 <@Dagmar> Skydog: Hey is there anyone locally who you could recommend who could print stickers that were say, 3/4-inch to 1/2-inch wide and oh, 48U long?
09:15 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm. Not really. 48U is quite a task.
09:15 <@SkyDog_> Lemme think...
09:15 <@Dagmar> Don't they usually print on continuous rolls of material anyway?
09:15 <@SkyDog_> They do, but the cylinder diamater is the issue.
09:16 <@Dagmar> Hey, 20 of them side by side is no problem
09:16 <@SkyDog_> the rolls are continuous, but the cylinders are only 10 ni ches in dia.
09:17 <@Dagmar> The main time-killers are the sheet labels we have have _many_ diagonal cuts on the backing, so while it takes about three minutes to cut the page several times, it takes about 15-20 to peel all the damn backing off and get them on the racks properly
09:17 <@SkyDog_> Capitol printing had some label printing hardware back in the day.
09:17 <@SkyDog_> THey would be able to do it, but it would take come juggling.
09:17 <@SkyDog_> ouch.
09:17 <@Dagmar> If there was some way we couold get freaking labels that were just 42-48U long where you could peel the backing off with one go, this would not be such a miserably painstaking thing to do
09:18 <@SkyDog_> true.
09:18 <@SkyDog_> They make crack and peel label stock in 8.5 x 11 size.
09:18 <@Dagmar> For some bizarre reason I've only found one company ever selling something like this, and I'm pretty sure that $50 a label isn't reasonable
09:18 <@Dagmar> Yes, the crack and peel is what we've got here
09:18 <@SkyDog_> yeah.
09:18 <@Dagmar> All those horizontal cuts *suck*
09:18 <@SkyDog_> but you have a diagonal scored crack and peel.
09:19 <@Dagmar> horizontal, diagonal, doesn't much matter
09:19 <@Dagmar> It means having to pick and peel about 20-25 times per label
09:19 <@SkyDog_> you can get it with the cuts on a different direction.
09:19 <@Dagmar> ...plus having your pockets full of chaff
09:19 < ware> wassa from cookeville
09:19 <@SkyDog_> yeah, but if you get it where they are vertical, then you only have a few.
09:19 <@Dagmar> Id' rather have them with none, but that would still only reduce it to about 8 cuts
09:20 <@SkyDog_> How many are you going to have done?
09:20 <@Dagmar> Well, I'd LIKE to do every rack we have here
09:20 <@Dagmar> ...but that would take a horrifying amount of man hours for what it should be
09:22 <@SkyDog_> How many racks to you have?
09:22 <@rhia> dymo datacom stuff doesn't work?
09:22 <@Dagmar> I tried just about every combination possible for ways to strip and place the labels quickly and basically, with these things on 8.5x11 sheets, there ain't nothin' that'll make it simple
09:23 <@Dagmar> rhia: Have you ever managed to get one of those to print measuring tapes?
09:23 <@rhia> what needs to be printed on it?
09:23 <@Dagmar> The numbers zero through 48 or so
09:23 <@rhia> text & numbers? or diagrams and images?
09:23 <@Dagmar> ...and about six feet long.
09:24 <@Dagmar> ...and of course, a marker every 1.75 inches
09:24 <@rhia> vertically?
09:24 <@Dagmar> Yep
09:24 <@rhia> ahh... yeah, that's a bitch
09:24 <@Dagmar> The label printer we have here pretty much laughs at you for trying
09:24 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise that would be exactly what I would have done
09:26 <@rhia> http://global.dymo.com/enUS/Products/LabelManager_400.html  supposedly does vertical printing..... ~shrug~
09:27 <@Dagmar> Ahh!  A PC interface
09:27 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, some of the higher end models have a pc interface.
09:28 <@SkyDog_> I have been trying to liberate one from my ex's office for years.
09:28 <@Dagmar> That could make things significantly easier
09:28 <@Dagmar> ...provided I can print straight from something like Inkscape, that would work
09:29 <@Dagmar> That kinda raises the cost tho
09:30 <@Dagmar> Irritatingly, $18 for 23' of tape means you can basically do two racks, front and back
09:30 <@Dagmar> $9/per rack I'm not so sure about
09:30 < ware> how many racks are tehre
09:30 <@Dagmar> ...although considering the damn things cost $400 at least, Dole might buy into that idea
09:31 <@Dagmar> Taking labor into account it's just about got to be cheaper than having a NOC technician split and strip everything
09:32 <@SkyDog_> Wait, the shark racks aren't already numbered?
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09:37 <@Dagmar> SkyDog_: They are, but, joy of joys, the numbers start at 1 and Dole wants to start at zero
09:38 <@Dagmar> ...plus they're only numbered on one side, which makes telling what you're doing on the rear a bitch
09:38 <@SkyDog_> Ouch.
09:38 <@Dagmar> ...and we've got some racks with nothing on them to really even hint which squares go together
09:41 <@Dagmar> Oh ho!
09:41 <@Dagmar> http://global.dymo.com/enUS/Products/LabelManager_PC_II.html
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09:43 <@Dagmar> Might be we could swing that
09:43 <@Dagmar> ...or it might be that I'm too cheap a bastard for my own good.  I dunno.
09:44 <@dc0de> uuugh.  I don't want to be at work today.
09:44 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to ensure that this is actually economically effective for new racks coming in
09:44 <@Dagmar> i.e., doesn't add a bloody hour to the time it takes to provision them
09:45 <@Dagmar> dc0de: That would be the living tissue interfering with your conversion.  It'll pass
09:46 <@Dagmar> It's what you get for vacationing in Mexico with all the fucking vampires running loose there
09:46 <@dc0de> heh.
09:53 <@Dagmar> Seriosuly, what did you do to get those pictures without people in them?  Call in an anthrax scare or something?
09:54 <@dc0de> yeah, did you hear about that on the news?
09:54 <@Dagmar> Nope
09:55 <@dc0de> I actually told everyone that there was an armored car with hard currency flipped over outside the gates... they all went running.
09:55 <@dc0de> The resort only opened in November 2007, so it was only like 1/4 occupied... it was awesome... we had run of the place.
09:56 <@Dagmar> Looked like it was _empty_
09:57 <@dc0de> those pics were taken in the AM, while most ppl were still asleep.
10:16 <@Dagmar> A likely story.
10:25 <@someninjamaster> hes one of the zombies
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10:47 <@baudburn> wow, that's neat
10:47 <@baudburn> i'm using leopard screen sharing to view a computer on our network wiht 6 displays
10:48 <@baudburn> when it comes up, it shows all six positioned like they are on the machine in a window
10:48 <@Dagmar> 'cuz it's always good to slap around a laptop.
10:48 <@baudburn> and i can zoom in to one screen or look/interact with them all at once
10:49 <@baudburn> pretty cool
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11:08 <@nachoguy> ahoy
11:13 <@Shadow_Phone> meow
11:15 <@SkyDog_> baudburn: have you gotten to mess with a MacBook air yet?
11:15 <@brimstone> dude at work got a macbook air and promptly put vista on it
11:15 <@Shadow_Phone> awesome
11:20 <@baudburn> SkyDog_: yeah i saw one in the store..
11:20 <@baudburn> b seems to like it
11:20 <@baudburn> so we'll be getting one
11:21 <@SkyDog_> I got to play with one on monday. i should have some more time with it soon. Seems like a cool product, but it's not a day to day workhorse. Definetly a 'carry to a meeting' or sitting in a chair at the coffeeshop kinda machine.
11:22 <@SkyDog_> B should love it.
11:22 <@SkyDog_> Super light, and nice screen.
11:22 <@SkyDog_> I know it's been pissed on by alot of magazines and websites, but for what it's intended for, it's pretty nice.
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11:33 <@SkyDog_> Ok, headning to lunch.
11:33 <@SkyDog_> yall enjoy.
11:38 <@baudburn> yeah.. pretty much my assessment
11:38 <@baudburn> if you're bitching about it, then STFU, the Macbook pro is for you
11:42 <@Dagmar> Bet part about a macbook air is that you can tuck it inside yer undershirt and no one iwll even know you're carrying a whole laptop
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11:43 <@Dagmar> ...or if you really want to piss APple off, you can RMA it in a Fed-ex letter sack.  ;)
11:43 <@brimstone> cuz you're not, you're missing parts like an ethernet port, etc
11:46 <@Dagmar> Wired networks are for the rank and file
11:47 <@brimstone> cd drives?
11:48 <@brimstone> i think steve jobs plays pin the tail on the laptop schematic to figure out what to remove next
11:48 <@Dagmar> You have a USB port, what more do you want?
11:48 <@brimstone> freedom of choice
11:48 <@Dagmar> Optical drives and they're primitive moving parts.  *sneer*
11:48 <@brimstone> and i have that
11:49 <@Dagmar> C'mon, we all know the only thing you're going to do with an optical drive is to pirate music.
11:49 <@brimstone> lies!
11:49 <@brimstone> i also pirate dvds with it
11:49 <@Dagmar> omg evil!
11:50  * Dagmar covers his ears.
11:50 <@brimstone> clearly optical drives are evil and thus need to be purged from the system
11:50 <@Dagmar> Them AND their filthy moving parts
11:50  * brimstone scoffs
11:50 <@Dagmar> I suppose next you'll want a steam compressor installed
11:51 <@brimstone> a hand crank really
11:51 <@brimstone> then i don't have to use other peoples filthy power ports
11:51 <@Dagmar> How about we put a coal hopper in the side as a backup source of power
11:51 <@brimstone> as long as it keeps my triple mocha grande latta extreme piping hot
12:27 < ware> you shut that shit up mister
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12:44 <@sdodson> HI!
12:46 < ware> hai
12:46 <@sdodson> HI
12:47 <@sdodson> what's crackalack'n ware?
12:47 < ware> same ol
12:47 < ware> fuxin' a sbs server
12:58 <@Shadow_Phone> small business?
13:02 < ware> yep
13:02 < ware> small biz crackhead server
13:03 < ware> h8 sbs
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13:41 <@Evilpig> anyone feel like rooting an ubuntu box?  it has an outdated everything on it.  about two revisions old.
13:41 <+coil> how do you do that
13:42 <@Evilpig> this is a smart group and I know a few people in here like to do pen testing so I figured someone would have some ideas to get elevated priviledges 
13:49 <@Shadow_Phone> why and who does the box belong too?
13:49 <@Dagmar> Do you have physical possession of it?
13:49 <@Evilpig> coworker
13:49 <@Evilpig> I can get it.  I just don't want to drive 1.5hrs to physically root it
13:50 <@Dagmar> Ah
13:50 <@Dagmar> So that was what, um, Edgey Eft?
13:50 <@Evilpig> pissing match with a dumbass
13:50 <@Evilpig> yeah
13:50 <@Dagmar> Now, you may have a problem if he's _actually_ been updating it
13:50 <@Evilpig> so get this.  there is this site.  nocturn.elr0d.net  my old wow guild and still friends with to this day.  even though the guild is gone we all still use the site.
13:51 <@Evilpig> well his server went down three days ago and I called him several times to get it back up and he never did
13:51 <@Evilpig> so today after he finally got it up I restored the site to one of my other servers from backup then got the latest phpbb database and restored that.  then did a simple redirect from his server to mine til he could fix the dns
13:52 <@Evilpig> fucking DOUCHE deleted my account on the box, nuked my ajaxplorer, mysql account, etc then deleted the redirect
13:52 <@Evilpig> and said "if xxxxx wants you to host the site then he can ask me to repoint it.  not your place just to move it off my box"
13:53 <@Evilpig> stupid fuck, doesn't want to fix it when it breaks, doesn't back it up.  and then undoes all the changes to ensure he didn't have to fuck with the damn thing at all
13:53 <@tzanger> gotta love geek ego complexes
13:53 <@tzanger> I know a few people like that
13:53 <@Evilpig> it's like wtf....  and no he hasn't updated it
13:53 <@dc0de> Evilpig that sux
13:53 <@tzanger> it's hard to say but you gotta just go "wtfever" and leave it
13:54 <@Evilpig> when I did the update to pbpBB3 I couldn't get imagemagick to install using apt-get cause all those repos are gone
13:54 <@Dagmar> yep
13:54 <@dc0de> Evilpig I'll say wtfever for you... my mind is still in Cancun
13:54 <@Dagmar> ...but they still release security updates for 6.10
13:54 <@Dagmar> ...so you'd have to hope to find something he installed inadvisably
13:54 <@Evilpig> well I got back in touch with the dude that actually runs the site, well started it.  and then after I talk to him on vent tonight i'll deal with douch nuts
13:55 <@Dagmar> But cracking it because you're pissed is probably a bad idea
13:55 <@Evilpig> fuck.  I'll drive to our East Prairie office and remove the box just to spite the little fuck.  I'll hang every server part in that box from the ceiling on fishing line as an example
13:56 <@Evilpig> he's my subordinate and best learn his place
13:56  * dc0de passes Evilpig some Vicodin.
13:56 <@tzanger> heh
13:56 <@dc0de> and here.
13:57  * dc0de passes Evilpig a Dos Equis to wash them down...
13:59 <@Evilpig> you know... I could just drop that phpbb database then ask him where the backups are
14:05 <@baudburn> ow, i hurt
14:05 <+coil> https://the.narro.ws/~brimstone/minicity/
14:05 <@baudburn> my bicepts, shoulders, and abs apparetnly totally suck
14:09 <@someninjaserver> haha
14:15 <@Evilpig> if I have a passwd hash is there a simple way to make that into an ascii string?
14:17 <@Dagmar> yes.
14:17 <@Dagmar> binhex will do fine
14:17 <@Dagmar> If you're talking about...
14:17 <@Dagmar> hahaha
14:17 <@Dagmar> No.
14:17 <@Evilpig> damnit
14:17 <@Dagmar> There is no easy way to do that
14:17 <@Dagmar> John The Ripper
14:17 <@Evilpig> was figuring
14:18 <@Dagmar> Feed it every dictionary you can find, give it as much CPU power as you can throw at it, and cross your fingers.
14:18 <@Evilpig> hey when I transfer sites I am complete down to the password hashs.  :)
14:21 <@Dagmar> It'll take some hours, maybe, but if he used a stupid password, JtR will spit it at you
14:21 <@Dagmar> You're authorized to do this, _right_>
14:21 <@Dagmar> ?
14:21 <@Evilpig> yup
14:21 <@Dagmar> Thank god.
14:21 <@Evilpig> I was the site admin.  the little fuck just locked me out to be a dick
14:22 <@Dagmar> I am assuming he is not authorized to revoke your account
14:22 <@someninjaserver> just go shoot him in the kneecap
14:23 <@someninjaserver> it worked in the unit
14:23 <@Evilpig> his server he can do whatever.  stupid fuck is just being a dick to try to get something over on me
14:24 <@Evilpig> the dude who's account hash I just showed you is on vent asking him his old pword now.  I am figuring austin wasn't thorough on account deletions
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14:36 <@Dolemite> Romney's out
14:36 <@baudburn> wha?
14:36 <@Dolemite> Romney is out of the race
14:36 <+scort>  2:36PM  up 1 day,  2:01, 3 users, load averages: 0.62, 0.23, 0.12
14:36 <@baudburn> really?
14:36 <@Dolemite> yep
14:36 <@Dolemite> check the news sites
14:37 <@Dagmar> It's been on CNN all morning
14:37 <@Dagmar> Was I supposed to mention it'?
14:38 <@Dolemite> I'd heard on the way in that it was "anticipated"
14:38 <@Dolemite> But didn't read until after lunch that he officially withdrew
14:38 <@baudburn> wow crazy
14:38 <@Dolemite> So McCain is pretty close to having a lock on the Elephant side
14:39 <@Dolemite> Or are they the jack ass party?
14:39 <@Dolemite> I never can keep the mascots straight
14:39 <@someninjaserver> i wonder who the dems witll run
14:39 <@Dagmar> Might as well be Big Endian at this point
14:41 <@Dolemite> Well I cast my vote.  At this point I can only hope that whoever makes it won't fuck us up even worse.
14:43 <@someninjaserver> i honestly dont like anyone running
14:43 <@Dolemite> That's not unusual
14:43 <@Dolemite> But you have to choose someone
14:43 <@Dolemite> and now is when Drag0n usually says he picks cthulhu so that he doesn't have to choose a lesser evil
14:44 < ware> thought you could vote undecided
14:44 <@Dolemite> You can for the primary
14:44 <@Dolemite> But what's the fucking point?
14:44 < ware> oh but not in the real election
14:44 <@Dolemite> Correct
14:45 <@Dolemite> TN doesn't require that you register for a party
14:45 < ware> this'll will be the 2nd time im eligable to vote and i dont think im going to again
14:45 <@Dolemite> In some states you have to vote for the same party in the primary as the general election
14:45  * Dolemite kicks ware's ass
14:45 < ware> crazy
14:45  * Dolemite kicks ware's ass
14:45  * Dolemite kicks ware's ass
14:45  * Dolemite kicks ware's ass
14:45 <+coil> lol
14:45 <@someninjaserver> i gues ill have to vote for the one less likely to fuck me out of my weapons
14:45  * coil kicks ware's ass
14:46 < ware> im the undducated voter, the worst person to be voting in the first place
14:46 < ware> uneducated*
14:46 <@Dolemite> someninjaserver : That's a good way to look at it.  As long as you can keep your guns, who gives a shit if you can't keep a job or get on an airplane without being subjected to a strip search.
14:46 <@Dolemite> ware : Then go educate yourself
14:47 <@Dolemite> You are simply being lazy
14:47 < ware> i listen to npr
14:47 <@Evilpig> npr is not a good source
14:47 <@Dolemite> http://www.glassbooth.com
14:47 <@Dolemite> Go try that out and see what it comes up with
14:47 <@someninjaserver> with out a means to protect your self you destined to end up like 1930s germany
14:48 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : What do you consider a good source?
14:48 <+coil> who should i vote for
14:48 <@Dolemite> someninjaserver : I seriously weep for everyone that went to the same school system as you.
14:49 <@baudburn> i fear huckabee though
14:50 <@Dolemite> Huckabee won't get the nomination
14:50 <@baudburn> mccain was winning because huckabee and romney were splitting the ultra-con votes
14:50 <@baudburn> now they have someone to rally around
14:50 <@baudburn> con's hate mccain
14:50 <@Dolemite> McCain will get the nomination and the relgious right will be pissed that they don't have a candidate to rally behind
14:50 <@baudburn> i hope you're right
14:51 <@baudburn> well.. i kind of hope you're not right
14:51 <@baudburn> because in a battle, mccain will beat hillary
14:51 <@baudburn> obama mccain is a tossup
14:51 < ware> Dolemite: ROFL
14:51 <@Dolemite> I don't think McCain can beat hillary
14:51 <@baudburn> Dolemite: really?
14:51 < ware> Dolemite: it says 'go back to mexico you fuckin spic!'
14:51 < ware> Ron Paul shares a 74% similarity with your beliefs
14:51 <@baudburn> Dolemite: the only thing this time around that unites republicans is their mutual hate of hilary
14:52 <@baudburn> why is ron paul not in the news more anyway
14:52 <@Dolemite> I think that the Republican base relies too heavily on the religious right, and with McCain as the nominee, you'll have a lot of the right refusing to vote for either.
14:52 < ware> media controls the election?
14:52 <@baudburn> Dolemite: that's a valid point.
14:52 < ware> all i ever hear about mccain is that he was a POW for 6 years
14:52 <@Evilpig> there is no real good source.  basically you need to get out there and find out what issues are there and see where the candidates stand.  look at their voting records, etc. npr just like any other news outlet tends to reair speechs and questions geared toward an answer and not an ambiguous question.
14:52 < ware> whoopty flippin do
14:53 <@baudburn> i *heart* npr
14:53 <@Evilpig> I personally dislike obama from what he said going back to the rutgers incident.
14:53 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : You obviously don't spend much time tuned into NPR on your XM radio.  It *does* get more than Opie & Andy, you know.
14:53 <@Evilpig> Opie and Anthony.  and I used to listen to NPR alot
14:54 < ware> i listen to npr on the way to work
14:54  * baudburn looks at ware in suprise
14:54 <@Dolemite> I don't like Obama because he can prepare great speeches, but he also has a tendency to come across as condescending and self righteous.
14:54 <@Dolemite> We've had enough self righteousness for the past 8 years.
14:55 < MudFlap> Amen.
14:55 <@Dagmar> omg racist
14:55 <@Dagmar> no wait
14:55 <@Dagmar> heh
14:55 <@Evilpig> out of the two "front runner" candidates for the democrats I would have to go hilary.  but I really don;t like most of what she stands for either
14:55 <@Dolemite> But you have a huge contingent of Obama supporters that are young and connect to him because he's younger than any other candidates right now
14:55 <@Dagmar> I think Clinton and Obama scare me less than the rest of them
14:56 <@baudburn> i like obama mainly because i think clinton isn't electable
14:56 <@Dolemite> I don't love Hillary - she is too closely tied to lobbyists - but I think she knows the politics better in terms of how to get a compromise out of Congress, rather than being bullheaded about change.
14:56 <@baudburn> not because seh's a woman, but becuse she's too polarizing
14:57 <@Evilpig> she is very polarizing.
14:57 <@Dolemite> I don't disagree with that at all
14:57 <@Evilpig> all of the times I have seen her speak so far she reminds me of a carnival barker
14:58 <@Dolemite> She's a very polarizing figure
14:58 <@Evilpig> she starts out small and gets louder and more yapping like
14:58 <@Dolemite> But I think that after the dust settles, if it's Hillary or another 8 years of Republicans in the White House, we'll end up with First Gentleman Bill.
14:58 <@Evilpig> First Lady Bill
14:59 <@Dolemite> He's kinky enough, I could see him dressing up
14:59 <@Dagmar> ...but that's why they go for the tool in the first place--so they don't have to _think_.
14:59 <@Dagmar> wrong chan
14:59 <@Evilpig> but if she did get elected.  would they both get their own secret service contingent?  or would they just get one presidental group?
14:59 <@Evilpig> cause he has his for life already.
15:00 <@Dagmar> One could argue that it could save taxpayer dollars
15:00 <@someninjaserver> eh
15:00 <@baudburn> hell, if they argued that kerry would cost too mcuh because he has 2 or 3 houses.. i don't see why we can't argue the reverse..
15:00 <@someninjaserver> if i was president i would want ot hire my own detail
15:01 <@Evilpig> well this situation has never come up before.  in the past each president has their own guards.  well what do you do with two presidential security people that are together all the time?
15:01 <@Dagmar> You just have one large team
15:01 <@Dolemite> Shit, Bush has cost a shitload of taxpayer money in his month long vacations in Crawford.  Most Presidents stayed at the White House the entire time in office.
15:01 <@Dolemite> Think of the infrastructure costs to bring in secure networks to BFE
15:07 <@Dolemite> Damn.  Vista Service Pack 1 requires 3 reboots during installation?
15:08 <@someninjaserver> has anyone heard anything from wizardpc in the past 2 months
15:08 <@Dolemite> Not me
15:08 <@baudburn> btw happy new year all
15:08 <@Dolemite> Happy Slant Eyed New Year!
15:08 <@Dolemite> You rat
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15:08 <@Evilpig> lol
15:08 <@Dolemite> That's me!
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15:09 <@baudburn> heh
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15:09 <@someninjaserver> dolemite getting kicked you dont see that everyday
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15:10 <@baudburn> kind of like ware *not* getting kicked
15:10 < ware> hey!
15:10 <@someninjaserver> exactly
15:10 < ware> isnt it some chin.. errr
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15:10 <+coil> hi
15:11 <@Evilpig> haha
15:11 <+coil> can i get kicked?
15:11 <+coil> im feeling left out
15:11 < ware> haha
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15:11 < ware> coil: tool
15:11 <@someninjaserver> damn this lag
15:11 <@Evilpig> see how long til he figures that out
15:11 <@Catonic> Woah. That was a trippy drream
15:11 < ware> Catonic: sleepin pills fux with ur head
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15:11 <+coil> :(
15:11 <@Catonic> no pills, just deprivation
15:13 <@Catonic> basically a twisted version of me all bull living a scene out of I Am Legend.
15:14 <@Catonic> being attacked by a rabid dog
15:14 <@someninjaserver> has anyone pulled out the 2600 mythtv box and tried to diagnose it
15:16 <@ladymerlin> dont you have it?
15:17 <@Dolemite> You're the one that had it last
15:17 <@Dolemite> You're the one that was responsible for it
15:17 <@someninjaserver> no corydon has it in storage
15:17 <@Dolemite> Ah.  then I need to get it from him and work on it.
15:18 <@someninjaserver> i gave it to him when we were packing up at 2 am
15:19 <@someninjaserver> im working on plans to build a rolling audio video center for next year
15:19 <@someninjaserver> so there wont be as much work every night
15:20 <@Dolemite> I think I am going to wipe my drive on the laptop tonight and install XP
15:20 <@Dolemite> I've had enough of Vista
15:20 <@someninjaserver> my plan is to allow the system to be set up in 10 minutes and tore down in 5
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15:23 <@someninjaserver> sup neoteric
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15:25 <@Neoteric> someninjaserver: new laptop
15:25 <+coil> hi
15:25 <+coil> ih
15:26 <@Neoteric> 2.2GHz core duo dos
15:27 <@someninjaserver> awesome
15:27 <@Evilpig> i'll be bringing megapig again next year as usual
15:27 <@someninjaserver> mbp im guseeing
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15:31 <@someninjaserver> i have to figure out how to fix the rainbow effect coming from the computerte
15:31 <@someninjaserver> fucking lag
15:33 <@someninjaserver> on the video board
15:36 <@dc0de> Dolemite yeah, I had enough after about 6 weeks, 473 blue screens, and an extremely slow response from applications.
15:36 <+coil> /hi dc0de
15:36 <@dc0de> sup coil
15:37 <@Dolemite> I'm tired of it taking 4 hours to copy 30 minutes worth of pr0n.
15:37 <@Evilpig> haha
15:37 <@Dolemite> Er, I mean, files over 1 GB.
15:37 <@dc0de> Dolemite yeah, command line is so much faster.
15:37 <@Evilpig> if you only have 30 min in 1GB I think you need a much better pr0n source
15:38 <@Dolemite> HDTV, pig!  Gotta see every pimple on her ass.
15:38 <@Dolemite> And by ass, I mean donkey.
15:38 <@dc0de> and by pimple he means hair.
15:38 <@Evilpig> there is a rabbit on a donkey in your pr0n?  wtf kind of pr0n are you watching?
15:38 <@Dolemite> I wish...
15:39 <@dc0de> Evilpig that's hare... not hair.
15:39 <@Evilpig> shush you.  ruining my zoophile joke
15:40 <@dc0de> I was watching som zoophile crap, and my tv went into wavy black and white stripes...
15:40 <@Evilpig> but if you wanna split hairs over hare and hair we could discuss the thinning of yours.  ;)
15:40 <@dc0de> then the view pulled back, and I realized it was Zebra pr0n
15:40 <@Dolemite> That was the zebra
15:40 <@dc0de> yeah, I freaked.
15:40 <@Dolemite> good stuff
15:41 <@dc0de> Evilpig I don't care if it's thinning, when it get's to a point of decision, I'm going chrome.
15:41 <@dc0de> age is age... and the body fails after time... I'm just waiting for the Borg.
15:41 <@Evilpig> get a laser eye.  those things look cool
15:43 <@dc0de> I want the mechanical legs...
15:43 <@dc0de> and the nano stuff that makes you strong...
15:44 <@Dolemite> Ok, so I'm trying to back up my laptop to a USB 2.0 enabled hard drive
15:44 <@Dolemite> 15.5 GB will take it 4 hours, according to the estimate
15:45 <@Dolemite> That's just ridiculous
15:45 <@Dolemite> I guess I'll leave it here overnight and let it back up, then do the wipe install tomorrow
15:47 <@dc0de> Dolemite ouch.
15:47 <@Evilpig> extract drive. use usb drive converter.  copy.  done
15:47 <@Evilpig> remove the vista from the equation entirely
15:49 <@Dolemite> That's an even lengthier process, as I don't have a SATA->USB enclosure
15:50 <@Dolemite> not to mention expense of obtaining one
15:50 <@Evilpig> sounds like something you should put on your goodie shopping list
15:50 <@Dolemite> I have no need for one
15:50 <@Evilpig> they are very handy
15:51 <@Dolemite> Now it revised the time down to 2.5 hours
15:51 <@Evilpig> I am soooo ready to go home
15:51 <@Dolemite> Anywho, I'm out of here
15:51 <@Dolemite> later, kids
15:53 < ware> pz
15:53 < ware> think thats actually a good idea
15:53 < ware> for me2
16:05 <+coil> hi
16:10 <@Evilpig> on other topics.  who has a pic of tzanger ?
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16:20 <@ShadowHntr> someninjaserver: *ping*
16:41 <@Catonic> pixplz. kthxbai
16:41 <@Catonic> http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object2/530/103/l6934857868_7622.jpg <- now I semi-respect mike huckabee.
16:47 <@polerin> Catonic: gb24c
16:54 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, lawl
16:56 <@sdodson> Because he plays bass?
16:57 <@rhia> so does my brother, but i wouldn't vote him for dog catcher
16:58 <@Shadow_Phone> is that a distinguished position nowadays?
16:58 <@Shadow_Phone> dog catcher that is?
16:59 <@rhia> eh, check huckabee son dog ...
16:59 <@rhia> knowing that association just made 'dog catcher' be the 1st lowliest gubment job that sprang to mind
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17:24 < Obl> polerin- hey
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17:32 <@sdodson> Police: Crack Found in Man's Buttocks http://lnk.nu/myfoxdc.com/inb
17:36 < Obl> ummmm and this is unusual? heh heh heh
17:46 <@Shadow_Phone> slow news day?
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18:17 < ware> thought there was already a podcamp nashville last year?
18:18 < ware> oh maybe im thinking of barcamp
18:18 < ware> yuh. podcamp nashville is this weekend for anyone interested
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19:02 < Obl> Hey Skyog!
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19:11 <@rattle> Argh.  I hate waiting for maintenance windows.
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19:12 < ware> 41 hrs til my physical addiction to nicotine is gone
19:13  * ware does a no smokin dance
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19:13 <@ShadowHntr> ware: congrats :)
19:14 < ware> its easy cause im sickly atm
19:14 < ware> hard part comes when im not sick anymore
19:14 < ware> but this is like a headstart
19:14 < hobbes615> hey rattle, what do you do now?
19:14 < Synx_hm> some random dude added me to his facebook, but hes from the same area, school yet after i was there, and says i must have been in his aim buddys
19:14 < Synx_hm> i have no idea who he is
19:14 <@rattle> InfoSec for a DC think-tank.
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> i've been getting random people adding me as fans on digg
19:15 < hobbes615> ah cool
19:15 < hobbes615> i just moved up here a couple weeks ago to work at a think tank
19:15 < hobbes615> in dc
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19:15 <@rattle> Which one?
19:15 <@ShadowHntr> hobbes615: so you in dc now?
19:15 < hobbes615> heritage foundation
19:15 < hobbes615> yea
19:15 <@rattle> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
19:16 < hobbes615> heh
19:16 <@rattle> Oh, that's funny.
19:16 < hobbes615> yea
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19:16 <@rattle> I think we are supposed to be mortal enemies or something..
19:16 < hobbes615> my first day of work dick cheney came and spoke to talk about fisa
19:16 < hobbes615> ah who are you with
19:16 <@rattle> CAP
19:16 < Synx_hm> verizon cannot tell me what is giong to happen to my bill when i go roaming across the globe and i use web only but dont make a phone call
19:17 < hobbes615> ah nice
19:17 <@rattle> What are you doing at Heritage?
19:17 < hobbes615> im in the communications dept
19:19 < hobbes615> i think im gonna try to apply to brookings though
19:19 <@rattle> What's the work environment like over there?
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19:19 <@polerin> hmm
19:19 < hobbes615> depends on the floor/department really
19:20 < Synx_hm> holy shit
19:20 < Synx_hm> peep this
19:20 < Synx_hm> the new Nissan GT-R
19:20 < Synx_hm> We've previously reported on how the GPS system fitted to the GT-R would remove the 111 mph (180 kph) speed limiter when the car arrives at a track, but according to Niikura, it will only work on pre-approved racetracks. However, the GPS sensor doesn't automatically remove the limiter by itself, it has to be manually changed by navigating through a series of menus on the GT-R's touch screen. While having to go to a Nissan-approve
19:20 < hobbes615> but its good, totally different from where i use to work
19:20 < hobbes615> its pretty much like being in political philosophy classes all day
19:21 <@polerin> anyone know if you can use a nix box as a bridge rather than as a router?
19:21 <@ShadowHntr> you can
19:21 <@ShadowHntr> can't routed do that?
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19:22 <@rattle> hobbes615:  You work at the office over by the Capitol?
19:22 < hobbes615> yes
19:22 < coil> awww gigabit is only going at 19mb
19:22 <@ShadowHntr> or did i just quote what Tru64 uses to do DNS resolve :/
19:22 <@rattle> Well, it looks like we gotta catch a beer at some point next week..
19:22 < hobbes615> off mass
19:22 < hobbes615> anytime
19:23 <@rattle> Yeah, it's about a block off Union Station, right?
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> rattle: i got a good friend in College Park and another friend in Sterling, perhaps next time i'm up there we can hang out for a beer or something...
19:23 < hobbes615> yup, i eat lunch there sometimes
19:23 <@polerin> from ppp to ethernet
19:23 <@polerin> the issue is that i'm using it as a router right now, and going to a router that's in ap mode
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> polerin: iptables could probably do that
19:23 <@polerin> but the router keeps freaking out and resetting
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> polerin: then get a real AP
19:23 <@rattle> hobbes615:  We are on H St NW just west of the White House...
19:23 <@ShadowHntr> :P
19:23 < Synx_hm> holy shit
19:23 <@polerin> and it won't take a 10. as an external
19:23 <@polerin> ShadowHntr: uh, broke?
19:23 <@polerin> :P
19:23 < Synx_hm> fuck guitar hero
19:24 < Synx_hm> http://www.guitarrising.com/
19:24 < Synx_hm> sick!!
19:24 <@ShadowHntr> that the one that uses a real guitar?
19:24 < Synx_hm> ya
19:24 <@rattle> brb a sec..
19:24 <@polerin> which would be easier if I could just have it acting as a true bridge
19:24 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: i liked GuitarFreaks
19:25 < hobbes615> ah cool
19:25 <@polerin> the problem its a EVDO connection
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> the arcade game that Konami put out way before Guitar Hero ever did
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> oh
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> by all means, make it difficult !
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> :P
19:25 <@polerin> heh
19:25 <@polerin> yeah
19:25 <@polerin> otherwise I'd just hook the fucker up to the router and call it done
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> polerin: get a Kyocera KR1
19:25 <@polerin> $$ is an object here
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> or that not do what you need
19:25 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh
19:26 <@polerin> out in the boonies where no broadband is avalible
19:28 <@ShadowHntr> yeah EVDO is your only option. you get multiple IPs or something?
19:28 <@ShadowHntr> IP masquerading not an option?
19:29 < coil> hi polerin
19:31 <@polerin> wireless
19:31 <@polerin> for the rest of the house
19:31 <@polerin> no not multiples
19:31 <@polerin> which is why I wanted the *nix box acting as a bridge rather than as a router
19:31 <@polerin> hi coil
19:31 <@polerin> anyway Be back in ... 30 min?  need to run to the store
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> um
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> then you should want a router
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> performing NAT and masquerading
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> single external IP
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> multiple internal private IPs
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> or did i misunderstand
19:34 < Synx_hm> i am flirting it up with the chick at verizon w00t
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19:35 <@ShadowHntr> lol synx
19:35 <@someninjamaster> evening all
19:36 < Synx_hm> that was hot
19:36 < Synx_hm> haha
19:36 < Synx_hm> shes going to email me
19:39 <@rattle> back
19:39 <@rattle> hobbes615:  You going to Shmoocon?
19:40 < hobbes615> uhh i dunno
19:40 <@rattle> I was unable to get a ticket..  But I'm going to be doing the lobby thing.
19:40 <@rattle> hobbes615:  What section of town do you live in?
19:40 < hobbes615> hmm, perhaps i'll try that out too
19:40 < hobbes615> i live in NE
19:41 < hobbes615> on C street
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19:41 <@rattle> Oh werd, so your commute is like nothing..
19:42 < hobbes615> ya, 13-15 min walk to work
19:42 < hobbes615> really nice
19:42 < hobbes615> what about you, you live on the hill anywhere
19:42 <@rattle> I live in NW, just over the DC line..  About 10 min drive without traffic..  About 30 with..
19:43 <@rattle> In the area around the mapping agency.
19:43 < hobbes615> ah ok
19:44 <@rattle> I put out for a parking space in the building where I work, so it's actually pretty damn convenient.
19:44 < hobbes615> ah thats nice, parking sucks
19:44 < hobbes615> i didnt even bring a car up here
19:44 < hobbes615> which is why i opted to live closer
19:45 < hobbes615> the metro kicks ass
19:45 <@rattle> I would be much happier if there was a metro stop close to my house..
19:45 < Obl> any presentations set for outerz0ne yet?
19:45 <@rattle> Argh..  15 more minutes to my maintenance window.
19:47 <@rattle> What kinda stuff do you do in their comm dept?
19:49 < hobbes615> targeted research, stuff with editorial services, we have 3 radio studios so i work in there sometimes
19:49 < hobbes615> and a tv studio that we broadcast on quite a bit too
19:52 <@rattle> Well, we must definitely catch a brew sometime next week..
19:53 < hobbes615> i agree, im up for goin anytime
19:54 < hobbes615> any place you've been goin out to much
19:55 < hobbes615> i've sorta been hanging out at the capitol lounge or the pour house
19:55 <@rattle> Hawk n' Dove..
19:55 < hobbes615> and union pub is right across the street
19:56 <@rattle> There is a great german restaurant/pub right next to our office called Mozart's that we go to fairly frequently..
19:57 <@rattle> Been to Local 16 a few times recently as well..
19:57 < hobbes615> cool, the german place ive been going to is cafe berlin, its close to the office
19:57 <@rattle> Ok..  It's time for me to update the firmware on a few routers, so I'm about to drop off.
19:57 < hobbes615> ite
19:58 <@rattle> As long as they don't spontaneously drop their configs in the process, I'll be right back..
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20:03 < rattleX> Ahh..  I love it when things work properly..
20:04 <@dasunt> Jebus people.
20:04 <@dasunt> It is a scrotum, not a pincushion!
20:04  * dasunt stops randomly browsing piercing sites.
20:10 <@sdodson> http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives/000831.php Anyone find the first "takeaway" funny?
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20:16 <@someninjamaster> w00t a full charge after calibrateing my battery lasts 37 minutes
20:16 <@someninjamaster> with the back light at the lowest setting
20:17 <@someninjamaster> and idleing
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20:20 < ware> yay mbp's
20:21 <@someninjamaster> oh hell yes
20:22 <@someninjamaster> its down to 20 minutes now
20:22 < Obl> hows the shoephoe project comming along?
20:22 <@sdodson> this sounds like a bad thing
20:22 <@someninjamaster> still working on it
20:23 <@someninjamaster> i think im going to use a soldering gun blade to carve out the sole of the shoe
20:23 < Obl> still looking cellular? or gone with the voip idea?
20:23 <@someninjamaster> going celluar
20:23 < Obl> u can cheat and use a bluetooth....
20:24 <@someninjamaster> well
20:24 <@someninjamaster> the shoe wont be wearable
20:24 < Obl> awww common......... make it wearable... go for the gold!
20:24 <@someninjamaster> from everything i have read
20:25 <@someninjamaster> i would have to render the sole of the shoe inflexable
20:25 <@someninjamaster> or else it would damage the phone
20:25 < Obl> cut the board into 4-5 sections.... and use jumper wires...ribbon cable
20:26 < Obl> like.... tank tread... still flexable.. but.. inflexable at same time...
20:26 < Obl> each section can stand a hell of a lot of stress....
20:27 < Obl> how hard do you have to jump up and down on a flat harddrive cable to make it stop working seriously
20:28 < Obl> u just gotta identify the sections of the board that can be moved
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20:30 < Obl> or..... make the sole hollow.... but hollow spot 2-3 times thicker than the phone is... that way the shoe can bend.. but the phone wont
20:30 < Obl> LIKE...
20:31 <@someninjamaster> yeah
20:31 < Obl> the edges of the shoe bend down... and the top of the hollow of the shoe touches the top of the phone....
20:32 < Obl> but the center of the sole is clear...on top... but the center of the hollow raises into the arch and touches the BOTTOM of the phone
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20:41 <@someninjamaster> of course you could always just lace it up in the shoelaces
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20:58 <+coil> hi
21:00 <+coil> /ctcp ping #se2600
21:00 < Obl> ninja: http://www.mediafire.com/?80gfotogyzw   phone.bmp
21:00 < Obl> SORRY FOR NOT CONVERTING TO JPG... NOT AT HOME
21:00 < Obl> DAMN CAPS KEY
21:01 < Obl> crap
21:01 <+coil> dir
21:01 <+coil> dir
21:01 <+coil> die
21:01 <+coil> ls
21:01 <+coil> ls -FG
21:02 <@polerin> Obl: btw did you get the final source to that?
21:02 <+coil> polerin: >l;p
21:02 < Obl> YEAH THANKS, LADYMERLIN GAVE IT TO ME FRIDAY
21:02  * coil stabs Obl repetely
21:03 < Obl> but went straight to mcminville instead of home
21:03 <+coil> OBL LRN2IRC
21:03 < Obl> THATS NOT AN "L"
21:03 < Obl> kaps randomly on and off
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21:05 < Obl> polerin... still having a few probs.. the revised version.. wont autolaunch
21:05 < Obl> THAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER PAGES.
21:05 < Obl> crap
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21:06 < Obl> BRB... LOGGING OFF TIRED OF THIS CRAPPY HACKED/INFECTED SYSTEM
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21:06 < Obl> ok.. might take me a lil while
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21:36 < Synx_hm> fuck fuck fuck
21:36 < Synx_hm> i need to scan two checks to deposit them
21:36 < Synx_hm> but shit doesn't work in ubuntu and i dont have a windows pc anymore
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22:17 <@dasunt> Meh.
22:19 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: vmware?
22:21 < Synx_hm> how?
22:21 < Synx_hm> how do i attach a device that ubuntu cannot see to the vmware
22:31  * Catonic rematerializes
22:31 <@ShadowHntr> is the scanner usb or scsi
22:47 <@dasunt> I hate to sound like a stereotype, but I swear this one feminist blog I read is man-hatey.
22:52 < Synx_hm> usb
22:52 <@dasunt> SCSI is sexy.
22:57  * Catonic slaps SCSI on the ass... Yeah... shake it just like that my scuzzy beast...
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> Synx_hm: if it is listed in lsusb then it may work in vmware.
23:06 < Synx_hm> how to i get vmware to dump raw usb to the client?
23:06 <@ShadowHntr> just like you would with vmware on a windows host
23:06 <@ShadowHntr> at least i think so...
23:06 <@ShadowHntr> hang on let me boot up my linux side
23:06 < Synx_hm> thanks
23:06 <@ShadowHntr> no prob
23:06 <@ShadowHntr> i'm running suse though
23:06 <@ShadowHntr> but i can at least try to walk you through the process...
23:07 <@ShadowHntr> i'll be winging it, but that's the best way of doing it. :)
23:09 <@ShadowHntr> ok
23:09 <@ShadowHntr> i got vmware workstation up
23:09 <@ShadowHntr> under the virtual machine settings
23:09 <@ShadowHntr> on USB Controller
23:09 <@ShadowHntr> check both boxes for the controller
23:10 <@ShadowHntr> once the VM boots, go to the VM menu, choose Removable Devices -> USB Devices. should list the devices connected. check the ones you want.
23:11 <@ShadowHntr> i don't know if it'll passthrough your scanner, but there's a pretty good chance...
23:15  * Catonic ignores SCSI, focusing his attentions on iSCSI
23:16 < Synx_hm> fucking vm console is broken
23:16 < Synx_hm> :(
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic: i'd like to learn more about SANs
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> but they're too damn expensive to learn on my own outside of an enterprise environment
23:18 <@Catonic> not really
23:18 <@Catonic> HSG80
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> who's the vendor
23:18 <@Catonic> Takes SCSI drives, makes them fiberchannel drives... DEC.
23:20 <@Catonic> wow. Birmingham looks awesome tonight... all the lights are twinkling.
23:21 <@Catonic> http://cgi.ebay.com/COMPAQ-400285-001-HSG-80-FIB-CHN-CONTROLLER-W-64MB-CACH_W0QQitemZ180128639607QQihZ008QQcategoryZ80223QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
23:21 <@Catonic> ~minilink
23:21 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/ebay.com/KYgHy.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
23:22 <@ShadowHntr> i know about fibre channel
23:22 <@ShadowHntr> but the switches are rather expensive.
23:22 <@ShadowHntr> i've looked at Dell, HP, StorageTek and Qlogic for FC switches.
23:23 <@Catonic> yeah, you almost always have to find the switches for cheapish
23:23 <@ShadowHntr> all prohibitively expensive for my budget.
23:23 <@Catonic> McData makes enterprise switches
23:23 <@ShadowHntr> never heard of them
23:23 <@Catonic> As does cisco and Brocadde
23:23 <@ShadowHntr> link?
23:23 <@Catonic> *Brocade
23:23 <@ShadowHntr> didnt know cisco made fibre channel switches
23:23 <@ShadowHntr> cool
23:23 <@ShadowHntr> :)
23:23 <@Catonic> just google mcdata and fibre channel
23:25 <@ShadowHntr> hehehe
23:25 <@ShadowHntr> brocade bought mcdata
23:26 <@ShadowHntr> looking at some datasheets now
23:26 <@ShadowHntr> thanks
23:26 <@ShadowHntr> :)
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> question
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> how common is fibre channel over copper
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> or should i even bother looking for copper FC
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> i know fibre channel can go over copper
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> i've read up on some of the concepts of SANs
23:28 <@ShadowHntr> i know a little about fibre channel and that seems like the best way for a starter san
23:28 <@SkyDog_> You can't afford fibre channel. look at iscsi. Look at the freenas project and the iscsi targeting system.
23:29 <@Catonic> solaris 10 has both target and initiator mode in it
23:29 <@Catonic> As does recent RHEL, iirc.
23:30 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: i thought iscsi was the SAN transmission protocol. guess i didn't read into it enough...
23:30 <@Catonic> my boss still relates fibre channel as scsi over fibre.
23:30 <@Catonic> I want to slap him with a clue trout...
23:31 <@SkyDog_> fibre channel is scsi signalling over fibre optic cable.
23:31 <@Catonic> Several years ago, I got to attend a NASA/ARMY security convention...
23:31 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: thanks for the pointers. i'll look further into it.
23:31 <@SkyDog_> iscsi is scsi signalling over ethernet.
23:31 <@Catonic> there were companies there marketing fibrechannel IDSes.
23:32 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: fail. iSCSI is scsi signalling over TCP/IP.
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23:32  * Catonic pops out of pedant mode
23:32 <@SkyDog_> Catonic: whatever.
23:32 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic: same concept.
23:32 <@Catonic> I'm old enough that I'm seeing that everything old is new again.
23:34 <@Catonic> shit...
23:34 <@Catonic> Looks like I'm going to have to shop for a suit soon.
23:34 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: could you recommend some vendors for SAN arrays that I should look at? are there others that use iSCSI besides NetApp and EMC?
23:34 <@ShadowHntr> should i pull up dell and storagetek again?
23:35 <@SkyDog_> Why are you looking at SAN arrays?!?
23:35 <@SkyDog_> Last I heard you couldn't afford rent, and now you are building an array?
23:35 <@Catonic> He's got the knack.
23:36 <@SkyDog_> The array I built was 48 thousand dollars, and I did that on a budget.
23:36 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: i'm not. i just want to find out more about them
23:36 <@SkyDog_> you can't afford EMC, much less promise.
23:37 <@SkyDog_> download the IBM redbook on storage arrays, and learn from that.
23:37  * Catonic thinks about the quarter-million-dollar-disk at work.
23:38 <@SkyDog_> How much storage catonic?
23:38 <@Catonic> 29TB.
23:38 <@Catonic> depreciation is a motherfucker.
23:38 <@SkyDog_> Heh. I have 25 tb in two locations for 48k.
23:38 <@SkyDog_> that's with sata, not sas.
23:38 <@Catonic> We never buy the cheapest.
23:38 <@Catonic> And the SAN never goes down.
23:39 <@SkyDog_> true.
23:39 <@Catonic> dual power. redundant upses. redundant power. redundant chillers.
23:39 <@SkyDog_> Nice.
23:40 <@SkyDog_> I have dual active-active controllers. Dual 4gb FC links from dell server.
23:40 <@Catonic> the only thing missing is that the people who control the money are too dumb to understand why you'd want to backup 100+ miles away.
23:40 <@ShadowHntr> lol
23:40 <@SkyDog_> dual apc 3000 ups boxes.
23:41 <@Catonic> Think much smaller scale than Dole's outfit and you might have an idea.
23:41 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
23:42 <@Catonic> "Why does a building with 30 people in it consume 300kW?"
23:43 <@Catonic> SATA is nice, as is SAS and SCSI.
23:44 <@Catonic> the benefit to SAN is that all of the storage is on the network, and can be distributed efficently.
23:44 <@SkyDog_> Well, I was able to buy 1tb sata enterprise class drives at $384 ea.
23:44 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: i appreciate the pointers. i have no intention of building a san, i'd just like to learn more so i can possibly play with them in a larger environment.
23:44 <@Catonic> I need to buy some hard drives soon...
23:45 <@Catonic> ShadowHntr: forget about it. You're going to have to learn on your feet.
23:45 <@Catonic> If you're familiar with SCSI, ATA, and SATA, you're good.
23:45 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic: I'd like to at least have an idea of what I'd be getting into.
23:45 <@ShadowHntr> cool.
23:45 <@Catonic> ShadowHntr: a lot of hot water when the SAN does go down on production systems that don't go down.
23:46 <@ShadowHntr> I can imagine.
23:46  * ShadowHntr puts Storage Area Networks for Dummies on his Amazon.com wish list.
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23:47 <@Catonic> Sometimes disks go r/o. Sometimes they disappear. Sometimes, the kernel freaks the fuck out like a cokehead stripper and runs in the bathroom for five minutes, taking all of your processes with it.
23:47 <@SkyDog_> take it off and put pc's for dummies on it first.
23:47 <@SkyDog_> you have to crawl before you can fly.
23:47 <@Catonic> Exchange is really interesting when the disks go R/O.
23:47 <@Catonic> Exchange becomes the embodiment of "Logs? What logs?"
23:48 <@Catonic> and then you get to test your backup system, as you restore each exchange server.
23:48  * dasunt dies.
23:53  * Catonic resurrects dasunt 
23:54 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msy7TtyAVIc <- that brings back memories.
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