--- Log opened Mon Dec 10 00:00:14 2007
00:03  * SkyDog_ puts out coil with lemon juice.
00:19 <@dasunt> Bored.
00:19 <@dasunt> Does anyone else hate suburbia?
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00:28 < ScotChick_Laptop> Hello all. Got a new laptop, as Shadow was complaining my viao was to slow and old.
00:29 < ScotChick_Laptop> a bit like him
00:29 <@brimstone> didn't he just get a new laptop?
00:29 < ScotChick_Laptop> he got a desktop
00:29 <@brimstone> ah
00:29 < ScotChick_Laptop> my viao was 5 years old and rather past it so was passing fry's in vegas this morning so decided to get a new one
00:32 <@brimstone> what'dcha get?
00:33 < ScotChick_Laptop> hp pavilion 6600, not the best but not too expensive either, it suits my needs
00:38 <@brimstone> that's cool
00:40 <@someninjamaster> omg this room is so fucking hot its insane
00:40 <@someninjamaster> its driveing me insane
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00:40 <@wontonjoe> yello
00:41 <@someninjamaster> sup wonton
00:42 < ScotChick_Laptop> howdy dude
00:42 <@someninjamaster> oh boy the tempture is climbing
00:42 <@SkyDog_> A bit...
00:42 <@wontonjoe> howdzy
00:43 <@wontonjoe> happy summer dog days of december
00:43 <@someninjamaster> sup skydog
00:43 <@SkyDog_> Yo.
00:43 <@someninjamaster> 86.5 degrees is a bit high for indoors isnt it
00:44 < ScotChick_Laptop> ok sleep time as tomorrow we hit the slopes
00:44 < ScotChick_Laptop> night all
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00:45 <@SkyDog_> I believe that was her like I believe in santa claus.
00:47 <@wontonjoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMsd171luos
00:48 <@brimstone> SkyDog_, i dunno, she didn't "lawl"
00:48 <@SkyDog_> She doesn't typically brag about what she's bought, either.
00:48 <@wontonjoe> lawl
00:48 <@SkyDog_> Shadow is usually the one that does that.
00:48 <@brimstone> yup
00:49 <@wontonjoe> skydog check out that video of ware, its slightly funny
00:49 <@SkyDog_> And he's known for "vnc'ing" into her computer and talking thru her login. We've seen him do it a few times.
00:50 <@brimstone> yup
00:50 <@SkyDog_> Fucking ware is a star!
00:50 <@wontonjoe> oh theres more look at more from wontonjoe
00:51 <@SkyDog_> I sw three of them...
00:51 <@wontonjoe> lol
00:51 <@someninjamaster> skydog do you have any of your phreaknic videos up yet
00:51 <@wontonjoe> hes the only one i could post everyone else was camera shy
00:52 <@SkyDog_> someninjamaster: Nope. I have them on my mac. I just haven't ripped them down into segments yet.
00:52 <@someninjamaster> i have to burn a dvd with my jet footage to send to the guy that brought it
00:55 <@SkyDog_> I need his email address... I have some great footage of it.
00:56 <@someninjamaster> one sec
01:01 <@wontonjoe> ive got nearly 30 mins of jet footage
01:01 <@wontonjoe> unfortunately im gonna have to half it up for youtube
01:01 <@wontonjoe> i think ill go ahead and do that
01:02 <@someninjamaster> my 23 minutes of footage currently takes up 4 gigs
01:38  * Catonic yawns
01:39 <@Catonic> I stopped and did some time-lapse photography on the way to bhm tonight
01:40 <@SkyDog_> Of what?
01:41 <@Catonic> halos around lights
01:41 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
01:42 <@dasunt> Catonic: You got a GF yet?
01:43 <@Catonic> zomg
01:43 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: youre gonna dig this as soon as I get it uploaded
01:44 <@dasunt> What?
01:44 <@SkyDog_> Catonic: Not a digger, really.
01:44 <@SkyDog_> dasunt: Are you offering? have you come down that far?!?
01:45 <@Catonic> dasunt: I'll plead the fifth on that.
01:45 <@dasunt> SkyDog_: No, I still haven't learned my lesson.  I'm sticking with woman.
01:45 <@Catonic> lol
01:45 <@SkyDog_> dasunt: Um, yeah. :)
01:45 <@dasunt> Hey, one of these days, I may end up talking to deli girl.
01:46 <@dasunt> Y'know, learn her age, if she's dating, etc.
01:46  * Catonic headdesks
01:46 <@Catonic> that's EASY
01:46 <@dasunt> Catonic: Oh?
01:46 <@Catonic> "Hi, I was wondering if I could get your opinion on something... my friend and I have a bet, he says that women lie more than men, and I say that men lie more than women... what do you think?"
01:47 <@dasunt> Works better if I have a friend.
01:47 <@dasunt> :p
01:47 <@Catonic> If you can't work alone...
01:47 <@Catonic> You can't always count on having a wingman, and sometimes you've just got to get out there and just fucking do it.
01:48 <@dasunt> I know.
01:48 <@Catonic> however, when you walk into a bar with five cute girls and 20 guys around her who are all on the same rugby team... that's a challenge.
01:48 <@dasunt> Really, I was going to chat her up last time I was there.
01:48 <@dasunt> But damn, it was busy.
01:48 <@dasunt> Oh, this will be a challenge.
01:48 <@Catonic> that's even better..
01:48 <@dasunt> I don't have much going for me.
01:48 <@Catonic> "Hey, I've got to get back to work..."
01:48 <@Catonic> in short, keep going until you get rejected.
01:49 <@Catonic> I find it rather amusing because of how many college freshmen don't tell me they have boyfriends....
01:49 <@Catonic> or how quickly I can get a married women to mention her husband
01:49 <@Catonic> the same things that single women like annoy married women.
01:50  * Catonic has a shirt made: "sociable engineer"
01:50 <@dasunt> Does it work?
01:51 <@Catonic> does what work?
01:51 <@dasunt> The t-shirt.
01:51 <@Catonic> I don't plan on a t-shirt to help me talk to a girl.
01:52 <@Catonic> dasunt: do you have any attractive female friends there?
01:54 <@dasunt> I'm in the hellhole of suburbia.
01:54 <@dasunt> I think the most social place is walmart.
01:54 <@Catonic> a defeatist attitude will get you no where.
01:55 <@Catonic> except your dick in your own hand.
01:58 <@Catonic> http://media.nothingtoxic.com/uploads/media_d2eca5d575b5f7354_1196994932.wmv
01:58 <@Catonic> ^ NSFW
01:58 <@Catonic> rotten level stuff
01:59 <@Catonic> suicide bomber blows self in half, and survives the blast...
01:59 <@Catonic> but he's cut in half in the middle
01:59 <@Catonic> like hold his legs up and show them to him...
02:00 <@Catonic> I think I'd just let him lie there until he expires...
02:00 <@Catonic> "well, you're gonna die, but you didn't take anyone with you. YOU FAIL."
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02:19 <@Catonic> http://catonic.us/Birmingham-I65-Pix/tn/P1010535.JPG.html
02:19 <@Catonic> http://catonic.us/Birmingham-I65-Pix/tn/P1010543.JPG.html
02:21 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: ^
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05:54 <@dc0de> mr0nin
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05:57 < ware_idle> mornin
05:57 <@dc0de> what are you doing up?
06:13 < ware_idle> work
06:13 < ware_idle> 6am-3pm
06:14 < ware_idle> can you unban *!*i=w@u.NF
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06:20 < ware> thanks
06:20 < ware> i couldnt talk!
06:34 <@someninjamaster> http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--hazmat-rocksalt1207dec07,0,3898950.story
06:34 <@someninjamaster> ~minilink
06:34 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/newsday.com/tOqHv.story
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06:59 <@GodFix> jello?
07:12 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQiUQOvlxbw Apple buying AMD!
07:16 <@GodFix> it would be messed up for Apple tp buy into AMD while still using Intel
07:16 <@sdodson> I think IBM is going to buy AMD.
07:16 < vapor_lap> That should ruin AMD sufficiently.
07:17 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dimg2n2Azwg looks safe
07:17 <@sdodson> AMD is already totally pwned by Intel.
07:17 <@sdodson> They've failed to return the volley on almost two years of really impressive chips from Intel.
07:17 < vapor_lap> For the time being.  They just dont have the monetary might to throw at their development
07:17 <@GodFix> technically... is anything on youtube sfw?
07:18 <@someninjamaster> someone needs to keep amd in biz
07:18 <@sdodson> depends on your work place policies I Imagine.
07:18 <@someninjamaster> otherwise intel will start makeing shitty products
07:18 <@sdodson> Right, and IBM likes to bail out companies just to keep some veil of competition around.
07:18 < vapor_lap> But from what I have seen from AMD they are really inovative in how they approach development so I expect them to take the obviously simple but innovative route that Intel will overlook here in a few years.
07:19 < vapor_lap> Tis true.
07:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, h0 h0 h0ez!
07:19 <@someninjamaster> sup dolemite
07:19 <@sdodson> They don't have a couple of years left.
07:19 <@Dolemite> someninjamaster : j00 suck, you didn't make it to the meeting
07:19 < vapor_lap> I would prefer apple buy them.  but then they would be tempted to not compete with intel at their own architecture.
07:20 < vapor_lap> and go off again on their own techno-tangent that will fail years down the road too.  So I guess it really doesnt matter.
07:21 <@sdodson> They need Power6!
07:21 <@someninjamaster> if i missed my bowling league friday i would have lost my stake in the prize money
07:22 <@someninjamaster> well time to head to exams
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07:36 <@brimstone> maybe crap-ass winter, but i slept hard with the window open and no covers
07:36 <@brimstone> ww
07:54 < NotLarry> Well now
07:57 < ware> yeah this week is gonna be nice til friday
07:57 < ware> then its cold again
08:00 < ware> se2600.myminicity.com has almost 600 ppl
08:01 <@I-MOD> and its slowed down significantly
08:01 <@I-MOD> from last week/two weeks ago
08:02 <@brimstone> we dropped to 4th
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08:07 <@dasunt> brimstone: Try that in Minnesota!
08:08 <@brimstone> heh
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08:09 -!- Dolemite changed the topic of #se2600 to: Go see The Golden Compass.  Polar Bears + Armor + Fighting == Smackdown
08:09 < someninjaiphone> Doh I guess my exam was at 9:00
08:10 <@Dolemite> I hope it's not for English
08:10 <@Dolemite> If so, you may want to s/was/is/
08:11 < someninjaiphone> program logic and design
08:11 <@Dolemite> grammar is just as important in that subject as well
08:11 <@dasunt> Dolemite: Unless he's in ET.  Then 9 am has passed.
08:12 <@polerin> he's not
08:12 <@polerin> and he's going to nashville tech's CIS course from that title
08:13 <@polerin> :P
08:13 < someninjaiphone> I'm a de major
08:13 <@brimstone> german?
08:13 < someninjaiphone> cs
08:13 <@brimstone> de
08:13 < someninjaiphone> auto compleation
08:14 <@polerin> heh
08:14 <@polerin> database then
08:15 <@polerin> yeah I'm going to be going for web concentration next semester
08:15 <@polerin> ;p
08:15 < someninjaiphone> im in the 2 year cs degree that transfers to a 4 year
08:15 < someninjaiphone> the de was the iPhone trying to correct cs
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08:20 <@dasunt> cs->de?
08:20 <@dasunt> That's a tad special.
08:20 <@brimstone> german science
08:24 <@brimstone> yeah, well, i got a pointer that should be NULL and isn't
08:24 <@brimstone> ww
08:24  * brimstone gives up for today
08:25 < ware> they painted the office this weekend so everyones computers are unplugged and desks moved
08:25 < ware> and nobody is happy about putting it all back together haha
08:26 <@dasunt> brimstone: They don't teach debuggers?
08:26 <@brimstone> our CS dept teaches .net
08:26 <@brimstone> i'm trying to use gdb and fumbling along
08:26 <@dasunt> Nice.
08:27 <@dasunt> Try the ddd frontend.
08:27 <@brimstone> i'm also trying to debug a libfuse program
08:27 <@brimstone> ddd?
08:27 <@brimstone> oh, no X for this
08:27  * brimstone gives up and look for a muffin
08:28 <@dasunt> No X?
08:28 <@dasunt> Why not?⇧
08:29 <@dasunt> Meh.
08:29 <@dasunt> I wish we had personal days at work.
08:29 <@dasunt> 'Cause I'd take one today.
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08:48 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
08:48  * ladymerlin pokes SkyDog_ 
08:48 <@GodFix> morning SkyDog_
08:48 <@SkyDog_> Yo.
08:48 <@Dolemite> w00f
08:48 <@SkyDog_> W00f!
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08:49 <@Dolemite> GodFix : I got your RSVP for the holiday luncheon
08:49 <@GodFix> thnx Dolemite
08:49 <@GodFix> we've been wanting to go there since before it opened
08:50 <@Dolemite> Are you local?
08:50 <@Dolemite> Er, Smyrna local, that is
08:50 <@GodFix> yeah. actually Tokyo is 10 mins from my house
08:50 <@Dolemite> I live about 1.5 miles from there
08:50 <@Dolemite> behind Stonecrest Medical Center
08:51 <@GodFix> that's the nice new neighborhood
08:51 <@Dolemite> My house was built in 1997, so I wouldn't say exactly new
08:51 <@GodFix> I live down the street, past the park, then rang a right
08:51 <@Dolemite> Ah, that subdivision with the fountain at the entrance?
08:52 <@GodFix> a bit further down
08:52 <@GodFix> just past blair
08:52 <@GodFix> where Martin's bend is going in
08:52 <@Dolemite> If you were to take Stonecrest Boulevard to Rock Springs and if the road continued straight up the hill, that would take you to my house
08:53 <@SkyDog_> Ahhh... Fresh... Hot... Coffee.. Mmmm...
08:53 <@ladymerlin> bring me a cup
08:53 < ware> me2plz
08:54 <@GodFix> I need a mainline of espresso
08:54 <@Dolemite> You don't want any, SkyDog didn't read his email yet where Plant Ops said that the sewer lines and water lines got crossed
08:54 <@SkyDog_> I had filtered my water on friday, thank you very much...
08:56 <@Dolemite> :P
09:01 <@nachoguy> mr0nin bitches
09:03 <@dc0de> sup all.
09:03 <@dc0de> ladymerlin you shouldn't ask for a cup on channel... :P
09:03 <@ladymerlin> uh why not
09:03 <@nachoguy> everyone have a good weekend?
09:03 <@SkyDog_> Not too bad.
09:03 <@nachoguy> ldaymerlin, someone might give you a cup with two girls
09:03 <@ladymerlin> exept i asked for a cup of coffee
09:04 <@brimstone> they taste the same
09:04 <@Dolemite> Went to Opryland Hotel yesterday...  saw the decorations...  got pics of 2.0 with Santa
09:04 <@brimstone> <===== not a coffee drinker/maker
09:04 <@SkyDog_> awwww.
09:04 <@SkyDog_> We wanna see Dole!
09:04 <@SkyDog_> You have a blog or something you would use?
09:04 <@Dolemite> Not scanned in yet
09:05 <@SkyDog_> scanned? you didn't get a digital pic?
09:08 <@Dolemite> None of the santa places give you the original image
09:08 <@Dolemite> However, we did also take pics with our camera, but the wife hasn't downloaded those from the camera yet
09:09 <@SkyDog_> AH, that's what I was getting at.
09:15 -!- nachoguy changed the topic of #se2600 to: Go see The Golden Compass.  Polar Bears + Armor + Fighting == Smackdown | The books sucked, no one should read them
09:17 <@nachoguy> When I heard that they were making a movie, I had hoped that the company would go bankrupt and execs would be fired/killed.  So much for my hope in humanity
09:18 <@SkyDog_> Dolemite: Someone's toes have got to have been stepped on... Dec 13 - Vanderbilt lambda Association's Chrismshanukwanzika party
09:18 <@nachoguy> </rant>
09:19 <@nachoguy> I love Chris-ma-honi-quanzi-ka
09:19 <@nachoguy> wsmith used to sing that damn song all the time in the office
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09:21 <@SkyDog_> Morning mudflap!
09:21 < MudFlap> Morning!
09:21 <@baudburn> morning all
09:21 <@SkyDog_> Heya baud!
09:21 <@nachoguy> ahoy mudflap and baudburn
09:24 <@baudburn> hmm..
09:24 <@baudburn> i need to find someone with a table saw
09:25 <@SkyDog_> I have one.
09:25 <@SkyDog_> Well, a buddy of mine has it at the moment.
09:25 <@Dolemite> I have one, too
09:25 <@Dolemite> in my basement
09:25 <@SkyDog_> Mine's better.
09:25 <@Dolemite> which is a bit far from TX
09:25 <@SkyDog_> :P
09:26 <@baudburn> yeah, i guess that doesn't help me
09:26 <@SkyDog_> You know, they sell them...
09:26 <@baudburn> no space
09:26 <@Dolemite> and they're on sale right now because it's a great "gift for Dad"
09:27 <@baudburn> i'd love to
09:27 <@Dolemite> If you go to Home Depot they'll do the first 2 cuts for free on a piece of wood, and then it's either $0.05 or $1 per cut after that
09:27 <@baudburn> but yeah, no space
09:27 <@baudburn> really? hmm
09:27 <@Dolemite> Well, first 2 cuts are free on a piece of wood that you buy from them
09:27 <@baudburn> yeah
09:27 <@baudburn> hmm
09:27 <@Dolemite> Lowe's does the same thing
09:27 <@SkyDog_> Not all of them are very accurate. you have to watch them.
09:28 <@Dolemite> Yeah, it's not good enough for building shelves, that's for sure
09:31 <@baudburn> Dolemite: that's what i'm trying to build
09:31 <@baudburn> heh
09:32 <@nachoguy> if you want shelves, they sell the boards and the wall mount kits at Menards
09:32 <@baudburn> no, i have a custom idea
09:32 <@baudburn> premade isn't gonna work :)
09:32 <@nachoguy> they come in like 3-4 sizes, unless you're trying to do something custom
09:32 <@nachoguy> ah
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09:49 <@ShadowHntr> i wanna read Stormbreaker and Jumper
09:49 <@ShadowHntr> Jumper w00t
09:52 <@seeblind> morning everybody
09:52 <@ladymerlin> heya seeblind
09:52 <@SkyDog_> Morning seeblind.
09:59 <@nachoguy> http://stcharlesjournal.stltoday.com/opinions/sj2tn20071208-1209stc_beck_1.ii1.txt
10:09 <@seeblind> Heya, LadyM and SkyDog, you guys have a good weekend?
10:10 <@ladymerlin> yeah
10:11 <@sdodson> President Bush says that he now believes there's global warming. And because of that......I'm not sure anymore... (Lewis Black)
10:11 <@SkyDog_> Not too bad.
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10:20 <@nachoguy> sdodson, that was a good line, but in general, Lewis Black isn't all that funny
10:20 <@nachoguy> he's just loud
10:21 <@sdodson> loud and epileptic
10:22 <@SkyDog_> I think he's fucking hilarious.
10:23 <@SkyDog_> Course, I thought gallagher was funny too.
10:23 <@seeblind> He is loud, epeleptic, and hillarious.  Oh, and has some nice insight into the ideocracy.
10:27 < NotLarry> Mirage: you there?
10:29 <@ShadowHntr> *yawn*
10:29 <@ShadowHntr> man it was nice outside this morning
10:29 <@ShadowHntr> overcast and 65F
10:35 <@sdodson> gallagher was funny
10:35 <@sdodson> I wanted to rent Idiocracy this weekend, but hollywood doesn't have it
10:39 <@SkyDog_> Watched 'sicko' this weekend.
10:40 <+coil> it sucks?
10:42 <@SkyDog_> It was like watching 'inconvenient truth'. Very moving, makes you really hate Bush, and makes you worry about the future.
10:42 <@SkyDog_> I am wanting to move to france or canada now.
10:42 <+coil> sounds like another lame michael moore movie
10:43 <@SkyDog_> And I knew some asshole would have a comment like that...
10:43 <+coil> yep cuz he sux
10:44 <@SkyDog_> I'll bet you think the same thing about al gore's flick, right?
10:44 <+coil> no
10:44 <@SkyDog_> Why not?
10:44 <+coil> that's diff
10:44 <+coil> im talking about fat ass
10:45 <@SkyDog_> How so?
10:49 <@SkyDog_> Hello?
10:51 <@dc0de> ~weather 30338
10:51 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Atlanta Dekalb, Georgia. It's 70 F (57 M, 21 C, 294 K).  Wind to the SW at 8Mph/13Kph.
10:58 <@nachoguy> don't go to canada, they passed the crazy DMCA law up there
10:58 <@nachoguy> an btw, Gallagher was awesome
10:59 <@GodFix> If you are qualified, available, interested, planning to make a change, or know of a friend who might have the required qualifications and interest, please email a copy of your resume to Eric.Winton@rcmt.com, even if we have spoken recently about a different position. If you do respond via e-mail please include a daytime phone number so I can reach you. In considering candidates, time is of...
10:59 <@GodFix> RCM is currently recruiting for a Field Technician/Dell Warranty Tech in your area.
10:59 <@GodFix> This is an open-ended contract opportunity to work as a Consultant to repair desktop, laptop, and printers. This is a great opportunity for someone.
10:59 <@GodFix> The troubleshooting has already occurred through a help desk support line. That support line has determined the problem is hardware related and ordered the components for replacement.
10:59 <@GodFix> Your job will be to pick up the hardware and take it to the client site (home, home-based business or small business) and swap the part out.
10:59 <@GodFix> This contract pays $27.00 per ticket within 50 miles and $35.00 per ticket from 51-75 miles, and you will be working with an average of 4-8 tickets a day. The mileage is included in the price per ticket.
10:59 <@GodFix> Requirements:
10:59 <@GodFix> Professional Experience with PC and Laptop at least 2/3 years with hands on experience or 1 yr in College Labs, working on hardware repairs and/or upgrades on pc's, laptops and printers
10:59 <@GodFix> Must be comfortable swapping out motherboards (Desktop experience necessary, laptop experience desired)
10:59 <@GodFix> MUST have experience diagnosing/troubleshooting hardware issues on pc, laptops, and printers.
10:59 <@GodFix> A+ certified is preferred (Or 2+ years of equivalent experience)
10:59 <@GodFix> Dell Certified is a plus ( If you do not have one we will pay for you to get dell certified)
10:59 <@GodFix> Must enjoy driving - will be driving from location to location (field technician).
10:59 <@GodFix> Must have own tools for repairing computers that include anti-static protection and DC volt-meter
10:59 <@GodFix> Must have reliable transportation and valid driver’s license
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11:00 <@Evilpig> jesus christ dude.  
11:02 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 57 nicks [42 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 12 normal]
11:09 < ware> OMG GODFIX
11:09 < ware> LOOK WHAT YOU DID
11:09 < ware> THE INTERNET IS BROKEN NOW
11:09 < ware> FUCK DUDE
11:09 < ware> SHIT!
11:17 <@GodFix> how many times will I have to apologize?
11:19 < ware> 14 hundred million ^5
11:20 <@seeblind> As many times as you screw up
11:27 < NotLarry> SkyDog_: We are wanting you to move as well...
11:35 < ware> http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/12/10/tomo/story.jpg?sid13
11:36 < ware> http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-09/3597_tom2.JPG
11:36 < ware> haha
11:55 < ware> http://gamesuy.blogspot.com/2007/12/top-10-free-linux-3d-games.html
11:57 < ware> http://www.warsow.net/?page=media
11:57 < ware> that looks cool too
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12:11 <@Shadow_Phone> ok
12:11 <@Shadow_Phone> www.mammothmountain.com
12:11 <@Shadow_Phone> goto web cames
12:11 <@Shadow_Phone> main lodge
12:12 <@Shadow_Phone> pan right
12:12 <@Shadow_Phone> looki lookie, i see a shadow
12:13 <@Shadow_Phone> anyone here?
12:13 <@Shadow_Phone> someones on it
12:14 <@Evilpig> WTF?! a nudist resort?  you suck fuck
12:14 <@Shadow_Phone> haha
12:14 <@Shadow_Phone> it was u
12:14 <@Evilpig> actually not me.  I'm working on getting a TV running but I figured if I sai nude someone else would go
12:15 <@Shadow_Phone> hi pig from scotchick
12:16 <@Evilpig> tell her I got teh adoption papers ready she just needs to sign them
12:17 <@Shadow_Phone> hey pig
12:18 <@Shadow_Phone> ready when u are (sc)
12:18 <@Shadow_Phone> ok, so is anyone looking?
12:18 <@Evilpig> I can't look.  no java here.  
12:19 <@Evilpig> gonna get a plate of bbq now and train these people on using VNC to run the TV
12:21 <@Evilpig> showed up here today and they have their memphis bbq cooking team here making lunch for everyone
12:21 <@Shadow_Phone> nice
12:22 <@Evilpig> got some good briscuit here.  sausage and yum
12:22 <@Evilpig> now if I would hav ejust remembered to take the beard net off first
12:26 <@Shadow_Phone> back to slopes, later
12:30 < ware> whos got the cam!
12:30 < ware> there he is haha
13:00 <@dc0de> wheehee!
13:07 < ware> whooooaaaa whoa whooaaaaa
13:07 < ware> whats up pussy cat
13:07 < ware> whooooaaaa whoa whooaaaaa
13:11  * dc0de shoots at the cat wailing on the fence
13:13 <@Evilpig> where is disable snapping in powerpoint 2003?
13:14 < ware> http://stonermoments.org/pinto-bean.mp3
13:36 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0p-U1LBbQ
13:37 <@sdodson> What's the min ram for running AD? just to test? is 512mb sufficient?
13:37 < ware> id assumpso
13:39 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeEuFWLt3WU&NR=1
13:40 <@rattle> sdodson:  You can get away with 300mb if you have to..
13:40 <@rattle> It doesn't take much.
13:40 <@sdodson> 512mb is fine, i'm not going to bother pinching that tight
13:41 <@timoguin> 64k is enough.
13:43 <@Evilpig> powerpoint is a piece of crap...  just felt I should share that
13:51 <@baudburn> gosh, there's a news flash
13:52 <@baudburn> i think powerplant is responsible for ruining the quality of a few of my college classes
13:56 <@ShadowHntr> timoguin : Commodore 64 FTW :)
13:59 <@rattle> Building a single signon solution around a Commodore 64 sounds like a great idea to me.
13:59 <@rattle> No..  wait..
14:00 <@rattle> Apple iic.
14:02 < critch> no, Commodore used a better CPU
14:02 < critch> Commodore 64 used the 6510 and the Apple iiC used a 6502
14:02 < critch> The Commodore 1541 and 1571 disk drives used the 6502 cpu.
14:05 <@tzanger> haha single sign-on for c64
14:07 <@rattle> Werd.  I wasn't aware that the c64 had a better CPU.  That says alot..  Considering that the iic was several years newer.
14:07 < critch> AFAIK all the Apple II models used the 6502
14:07 <@rattle> The iigs too?
14:08 < critch> I don't think the GS did
14:09 < critch> ii gs was a Western Digital 16-bit 65C816 (compatible with 6502) running at 2.8 MHz
14:10 <@rattle> Yeah..  I was just doing the Wikipedia thing..
14:10 <@rattle> Same processor as the SNES.
14:10 < critch> http://applemuseum.bott.org/sections/computers/IIgs.html
14:20 <@ShadowHntr> i want a Commodore Amiga.
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14:28 <@dasunt> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=384843&cid=21646585
14:28 <@dasunt> COMEDY GOLD!
14:47 <@Corydon76-lap> critch: 65c02 in most Apple IIs
14:48 <@Corydon76-lap> 65c02 fixed several major processor bugs
14:49 <@Corydon76-lap> For example, if the address for an indirect jump was placed across a page boundary, the original 6502 would retrieve the hi byte from the beginning of the same page, instead of the beginning of the NEXT page
14:50 <@Corydon76-lap> There was also the 65802, which contained all the instructions of the 65c816, but was pin-compatible with the 65c02
14:51 <@Corydon76-lap> Nintendo bought up all the 65802s, using them for the CD controller in the SNES
14:53 <@SkyDog_> Yawn.
14:56 <@Dagmar> dasunt: The beauty of the plan is that the author is dead before actually having to write part of the stort that *goes* anywhere
14:57 <@dasunt> Calling to price compare prescription drugs worries me.
14:57 <@dasunt> Prices:  Walmart "blah blah, can't get it, have to use <smaller dose> $450"
14:57 <@dasunt> Local pharmacies "we can get that, $120/$140/$130"
14:57 <@dasunt> Another pharmacy:  "$60".
14:57 <@dasunt> :o
14:57 <@dasunt> I can understand Walmart being high, since they couldn't get the right dose.
14:58 <@dasunt> I don't understand the one response I got that's half the price of the rest.
14:59 < critch> in stock normally as opposed to special order, and depending on the type of drug, the needed delivery method
14:59 <@Dagmar> ...and whether or not the place has special, higher prices, for people with insurance
14:59 <@Dagmar> ...which happens rather often.
15:00 <@dasunt> I have no insurance.
15:01 <@dasunt> *calls some more*
15:01 <@dasunt> Okay, this is disturbing.
15:01 <@Dagmar> Be sure and call the Publix pharmacy, if there's one in your area
15:01 <@dasunt> The cheapo one was the CVS.
15:05 <@nachoguy> check into CVS's policiy, it might be better to get it from Walgreens, then "transfer" your prescription to CVS for the second round of pills.  they used to do a hell of a discount for that
15:07 <@dasunt> Oh?
15:07 <@dasunt> I don't know if I trust the CVS.
15:07 <@dasunt> I asked everywhere, and the CVS is half the price.
15:07 <@dasunt> And it doesn't give me confidence that they said "well, I wasn't sure, so the pharmacist came over and said it was this one"
15:08 <@dasunt> Oh well, off to work.
15:08 <@dasunt> Again.
15:21 <@seeblind> http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4085
15:21 <@seeblind> CompUSA is closing its doors!
15:21 <@seeblind> WTF
15:21 <@Dolemite> Welcome to last week!
15:21 < critch> old news
15:22 <@seeblind> just heard on radio.  Guess I don't get out enough
15:23 < critch> seeblind: WSJ had it on Friday, Even NLUG discussed it over the weekend
15:24 <@Dolemite> ad nauseum
15:25 <@seeblind> ah
15:25 <@seeblind> We can avoid that in here, then
15:26 <@seeblind> :)
15:27 <@SkyDog_> I just hope that the next place puts prices on the shelves.
15:27 <@SkyDog_> I mean, ones that correspond to the objects they are in front of.
15:28 <@Dolemite> Oh, how fucking picky can you get?
15:28 <@SkyDog_> Pretty picky, but I don't roll it between my fingers.
15:28 <@freakn> CompUSA is still open in Nashville?
15:29 <@Dolemite> 2 of em
15:29 <@Dolemite> for another month or so, at least
15:30 <@freakn> Atlanta was one of the first markets to get axed in preliminary cutbacks
15:30 <@SkyDog_> That's cause you are there. :)
15:30 <@seeblind> probably becuase they have a frys
15:30 <@freakn> other than a few mom and pops that don't speak English, there is no one good to get computer hardware while in a bind ITP.
15:30 <@seeblind> a store that can easily compete
15:31 <@freakn> Fry's is like 40 minutes away
15:31 <@Dolemite> Yeah, Duluth isn't exactly what you can call "centrally located"
15:31 <@freakn> Without an hour and a half round trip in traffic ... the only options now are Office depot, Best Buy, and Wal Mart
15:32 <@freakn> aparantly there is also a Fry's in Alpharetta .. but both those cities scare me
15:33 <@freakn> and even a place advertising "Geek Squad" has a publicly available odd parts section equivilent to a small Office Depot
15:33 <@SkyDog_> Wuss.
15:33 <@SkyDog_> GeekSquad is a bunch of pussies.
15:33 <@freakn> You think they would have a parts selection though in store
15:35 <@freakn> I have had to fix several computer "repaired" by geeksquad, there formula is pathetic.  Pretty much a set of microsoft updates from a USB drive that don't always line up with the software on the computer, a generic A/V program that grinds the HD to a stop, various file deleteting activities ... and if any problems remain they claim you need to reformat your HD or do the cheaper option of buying a new computer through Best Buy
15:35 <@seeblind> Fry's is one of the only stores I would call a computer store because it actually has part for just about anything
15:36 <@freakn> Fry's is a place where you bring a girl on a 4th or 5th date, and if she likes it you know you got a keeper
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15:37 <@freakn> hmm
15:42 <@Evilpig> ha
15:42 <@Evilpig> is that like taking a girl to radio shack and asking her to pick out a resistor?
15:42 <@brimstone> no presure
15:42 <@brimstone> *pressure
15:43 <+coil> man it feels weird to drop liquid into your ear
15:43 <@freakn> nah nah, Fry's has variety ... electric componets, computer parts, CCTVs, the whole Mac section, video games, software, Audio/Video, car crap, washing machines, TVs, etc ....
15:44 <@Evilpig> btw I love coming into a place after other people have been dicking with the network and having to straighten it all out
15:44 <@dc0de> freakn where do you live? if Alpharetta and Duluth scare you...
15:44 <@freakn> as long as she digs something there (other than cheap cell phones and the 25 cent plastic vending machines up front) it is good
15:44 <@freakn> Midtown on 10th
15:44 <@dc0de> fuck, that's the hood
15:44 <@Evilpig> they changed ISPs at the same time as they fired the IT guy so they just pulled the cable out of the SBS2003 box and then put in a cable modem router thing and wondered why everything is hosed
15:45 <@freakn> ya, right next to skyscrappers less than a year old
15:45 <@dc0de> freakn yeah, where all the rapper shootings happen.
15:45 <@dc0de> ITP scares me.
15:45 <@freakn> no, that's buckhead
15:45 <@dc0de> fuck that noise
15:45 <@dc0de> property taxes up the ass.
15:45 <@dc0de> no fresh air, no water.
15:46 <@freakn> all hte millionares bought up buckhead and kicked out the rappers
15:46 <@freakn> no having to drive an hour to get somewhere
15:46 <@freakn> ha, plenty of water here.  Thanks for all the conservation OTP
15:46 <@dc0de> you mean there's somewhere to go in Atlanta?
15:46 <@dc0de> like?
15:46 <@dc0de> the only place good to go in Atlanta, is Tennesee
15:47 <@freakn> Not counting dunwoody ... seeing how I leave the perimiter less than once a month ... there is plenty to do
15:47 <@dc0de> yeah, you can have it...
15:47 <@dc0de> I have plenty to do in Dacula
15:47 <@dc0de> and I have fresh air.
15:47 <@dc0de> and stars at night.
15:47 <@freakn> but ya, having more than 3 people in a resturaunt and roads with stoplights can scare some of the rural folk
15:48 <@dc0de> something atlanta hasn't seen since it was burned.
15:48 <@dc0de> yeah, you're one of those who thinks that everything OTP is rural.
15:48 <@dc0de> and that concrete and asphalt are natural elements.
15:49 <@freakn> I've seen a few spots OTP that I wouldn't consider rural, but most places people drive from to clog up my roads and run me over while talking on their cell phone is rural
15:50 <@dc0de> funny, I don't see that until I approach the perimeter.
15:50 <@freakn> planting 30 postage stamp houses in one acre doesn't make a suburb.
15:51 <@dc0de> who said I live in a suburb? I have an acre.
15:51 <@dc0de> with a fenced backyard.
15:51 <+coil> dc0de: a dog too?
15:51 <@dc0de> coil two dogs.
15:51 <+coil> ooo what type
15:52 <@Dolemite> the kind that licks your face after he licks his own balls
15:52 <@freakn> Traffic is caused by people who live too far away and are pissed about driving.  Things are much better here at night when every car plate says fulton or dekalb.
15:52 <@dc0de> 1 == mutt (boxer, chow, pit, lab, bulldog, rotty mix), and a GSP.
15:52 <@dc0de> freakn keep telling yourself that.
15:52 <+coil> gsp?
15:52 <@dc0de> German Shorthair Pointer
15:53 <@dc0de> purebred
15:53 < critch> dc0de: that seems to be the same problem we have around nashville
15:53 < critch> dc0de: 9 out of 10 times those I see acting stupid are sporting out of town tags usually from a neighboring county
15:53 <+coil> ~google for German Shorthair Pointer
15:53 <+MxZBot> Google says German Shorthair Pointer is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Shorthaired_Pointer or http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshorthairedpointer.htm or http://www.gspca.org/
15:54 <@dc0de> whichever. I see the asshats from fulton and cobb driving their ricers at 100mph + up 85 and out 316 to UGA...
15:54 <@freakn> dcOde: I don't need to tell myself, I live in it.
15:54 <+coil> aww sooo cute dc0de
15:54 <@dc0de> coil and a handfull.
15:55 <@dc0de> freakn as do I... the problem with stupid drivers isn't limited ITP or OTP, it goes both ways equally.
15:56 < critch> dc0de: we all know that ricers are idiots regardless of location though.
15:56 <@dc0de> at least outside the city, the drivers license test includes a road test, not just driving around cones in a parking lot.
15:56 <@dc0de> OTP counties actually ENSURE you know how to drive before giving you a license.
15:57 <@dc0de> on real streets and highways.
15:57 <@freakn> so therefore no one ITP can drive?
15:57 <@dc0de> "oooh, you missed that cone... "
15:57 <@freakn> though, my neighboors to both side don't even own a car.
15:57 <+coil> that's when you run over the instructor dc0de
15:57 <@dc0de> no, I'm saying that you blaming the Atlanta traffic problems on people OTP is bullshit.
15:58 <@freakn> you come try waling around here and read things like "Gwinete" and "Hall" and all that driving on the sidewalks and getting into accidents.
15:58 <@dc0de> waling?
15:59 <@freakn> Then going home and claiming it is all Atlanta's fault.  I can't even use a cross walk in traffic due to all the out of towners trying to kill me.
15:59 <@freakn> but ya, there really isn't a pedestrian issue in other areas .. no sidewalks and no where in walking distance
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16:00 <@dc0de> hrm... don't have that problem out here. my crosswalks are respected... by Gwinnett, Barrow, and Walton county drivers... although I've seen many fulton and cobb accidents in Barrow county lately... must be they don't know how to drive there.
16:00 <@dc0de> therefore, (using your logic), all traffic problems OTP are because of Cobb and Fulton county drivers.
16:01 <@freakn> I can't deny it, I am never there during traffic times
16:01 <@freakn> though I wouldn't doubt the mentality of still driving forever to go to a job
16:02 <@dc0de> good thing all jobs aren't in Atlanta.
16:02 <@freakn> The people I know that do drive a long way to work do the reverse thing into Cobb, Old Milton, and Gwinette.
16:03 <@dc0de> freakn would you drive 2 hours a day for 200K a year?
16:03 <@SkyDog_> Yes.
16:03 <@freakn> I would move
16:04 <@dc0de> that wasn't the option
16:04 <@dc0de> answer the question.
16:04 <@freakn> then no, Isettlte for 175 and save the stress, gas, and new car payment
16:05 <@freakn> for me, moving is an option.
16:05 <@dc0de> who said new car?
16:05 <@freakn> cause not all cars last forever
16:05 <@dc0de> and if you can't handle stress, you won't make 175K / year
16:05 <@freakn> oh ya, assumptions
16:05 <@dc0de> what job do you know of that pays 175K / year with no stress?
16:05 <@freakn> some how in this magical situation, there is no where to live within 1 hour driving distance either
16:06 <@freakn> who said no stress?
16:06 <@dc0de> really, I live in dacula and made the office today in 40 minutes
16:06 <@freakn> I was talking about wasting two hours a day in a car
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16:06 <@dc0de> then no, Isettlte for 175 and save the stress,
16:06 <@freakn> that 2 hours could be speant working, drinking, relaxing, anything else
16:07 <@dc0de> freakn my house probably costs me less per month than your apartment.
16:07 <@freakn> ya, but market demand is showing people want to live where I live alot more than where you live
16:07 <@freakn> leave it to free market
16:08 <@dc0de> really... good thing that housing starts in my area aren't happening... *cough*
16:08 <@freakn> housing starts?
16:08 <@dc0de> actually, the fastest growing county in Georgia is currently Barrow, and it's farther out from ATL than where I live by about 7 miles.
16:08 <@dc0de> ~google for housing starts
16:08 <+MxZBot> Google says housing starts is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_starts or http://www.census.gov/starts or http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=45409
16:08 <@freakn> i'll pass
16:09 <@dc0de> but hey, I could be wrong... not like I track this for home appraisal rates or anything.
16:09 <@freakn> though I know these high rise condos keep selling out before they are built I wish the market would fall here so I can buy something some day soon
16:09 <@dc0de> but then again, I guess a townhome in the city is the way to go if I don't want green grass, fresh air, or good schools for my children.
16:10 <@freakn> all that demand to want to live in town, making prices too high
16:10 <@freakn> Grady is fine by me
16:10 <@dc0de> Grady?
16:10 <@dc0de> for school?
16:10 <@dc0de> it's a failing hospital
16:10 <@freakn> the big High School in midtown
16:10 <@dc0de> ok.
16:10 <@dc0de> enjoy them learnins
16:11 <@freakn> the rich guy named Grady had a few more things named after him then just a trama center
16:11 <@freakn> though ya, this time in my life where I don't keep a g/f for more than a year, I am thinkniug of my kids educations in ~14 years
16:12 <@freakn> wonder if the PTA has any openings
16:13 <@dc0de> 44% of students qualified for free or reduced lunch
16:13 <@dc0de> that sounds just a bit impoverished.
16:14 <@freakn> it has bussing
16:14 <@freakn> Grady is across the street from Piedmont Park
16:14 <@dc0de> oh? from where?
16:14 <@dc0de> Piedmont, yeah, I know.. one of the safest placed to find homeless after dark.
16:15 <@freakn> I think the MLK area, 4thward, down there
16:15 <@freakn> I guess atlanta is just one impoverished, homeless haven with no hope
16:15 <@dc0de> heh... right... you may not know this, but I do know the city.
16:15 <@freakn> congrats
16:16 <@dc0de> and piedmont park is a hovel.
16:16 <@freakn> you are entilted to your opinion
16:16 <@dc0de> try reading the blotter every now and then, it's FULL of fact about the area.
16:17 <@freakn> I'll just walk around and talk to the residents
16:17 <@dc0de> but I guess those people are bussed in too
16:17 <@freakn> most come from the food kitchens in SoNo
16:17 <@dc0de> yeah, because they come out after dark... and see the police busting people selling drugs in the park after dark.
16:17 <@freakn> but, I Am sure you already know where they are
16:18 <@freakn> wow, because drugs aren't sold anywhere else in GA, just in Piedmont Park
16:18 <@dc0de> It's a wonderful place, I just wanna run down there and let my kids play in the used hypodermics.
16:18 <@freakn> yip, you do that
16:18 <@dc0de> freakn no, I choose to go where they're less prevailent
16:19 <@dc0de> but the fact that you don't have kids, makes it clear that you don't understand the goals of a parent
16:19 <@freakn> by staying aware of my surroundings, I have managed to avoid "drug dealings" for quiet some time.  But then again, I don't assume every shaddy figure slumped over somewhere is a drug dealer.
16:19 <@dc0de> Or am I depriving my children the opportunity to learn about aids firsthand?
16:20 <@dc0de> freakn nor do I.
16:20 <@freakn> The fact is I do have other goals in life, and one of them is to not burn gas like crazzy while spending 1/10th my day in a car.
16:20 <@freakn> Oh ya, everyone in atlanta has AIDS
16:21 <@dc0de> my children aren't going to fall victim to the fact that 11% of children in Atlanta has Asthma, and the poor air quality makes it worse
16:21 <@dc0de> Many of the area doctors are concerned that the city's air quality is the main CAUSE in over 50% of those cases
16:21 <@freakn> I enjoy urban living, I don't require other people do.  It is great you have such strong opinions about areas in Atlanta, and other such strong assumptions.  But I know many peopel here that are raised just fine with the resources and problems.
16:22 <@freakn> How many children state wide have asthma? is there a comparison?
16:22 <@dc0de> let's go find out... it's far more prevailent in the city than in suburban and rural areas.
16:24 <@freakn> btw, have you ever brewe an apple cider?
16:24 <@freakn> *brewed
16:25 <@dc0de> nope
16:25 <@dc0de> I don't homebrew
16:25 <@freakn> oh, thought you did, n/m
16:26 <@freakn> and, I have smog asthma.  But I treat it minaly by keeping my weight down and excercising.
16:27 <@freakn> I would like to see the numbers.
16:27 <@dc0de> ~google for asthma georgia atlanta
16:27 <+MxZBot> Google says asthma georgia atlanta is at http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/151/8/798 or http://www.asthmacapitals.com/ or http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlanta/130575-asthma-eczema-atlanta.html
16:28 <@dc0de> well, the 2nd link shows Atlanta to be the 2007 Asthma Capital of the US.
16:29 <@freakn> Knoxville is kinda a shocker
16:29 <@dc0de> knoxville has quite a bit of industry, located in a valley.
16:29 <+coil> louisville pwns
16:30 <@dc0de> same with Philly, Harrisburg, and Little Rock.
16:30 <@dc0de> http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/151/8/798
16:30 <@dc0de> another good paper on the problem from the early/mid 90's
16:30 <@freakn> Philly is still in PA.  Coal burning mixed in with lots of traffic isn't too much of a surprise.
16:31 <@dc0de> they foretold the problem in 2000, and still the air get's worse, not better.
16:31 <@freakn> The metrics used in the report are inresting.  Things like "Pollen Count" can get intresting (though greatly reduced during these drought years)
16:32 <@dc0de> and this site, while not a doctors' site, has people that live in the city commenting on the air quality... (or lack thereof)
16:32 <@dc0de> http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlanta/130575-asthma-eczema-atlanta.html
16:34 <@freakn> there isn't much a city can do for air quality.  Iniatives come at the state and federal level to provide restrictions and do tax things.  Georgia has been very business friendly thus lax on laws.  If a business wants to clump up next to a metro area in Georgia, it is Atlanta.
16:34 <@freakn> Even trasportation things are handeled at state and national level.  The "Georgia Air Force" campaign is federally funded.
16:38 <+coil>  4:39PM  up 146 days, 17:08, 2 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.03, 0.01
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16:45 <@dc0de> man, the FFIEC IT Security Handbooks are a great resource...
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16:51 <+coil> hi strages
16:53 <@strages> hey
16:55 <@freakn> I've used some FFIEC documentation when giving proposals to clients.  The well detailed, almost lawyer talk, of some of their policy statments demands obedience if implimented, but mainly helps pave the way for more practical, and customized policies
16:55 <@freakn> lemme tell you, policy pitching and writing is "very" fun
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17:05 < Synx_hm> grub has a big where it doesn't not properly detect device.map under the live cd which then changes again under a normal boot
17:06 < Synx_hm> so im sol until i can find a fix
17:06 <@brimstone> grub on live cd?
17:06 < Synx_hm> ya it wont install to the proper mbr
17:06 < Synx_hm> and if i edit the device.map it will be wrong when it boots on its own
17:07 < Synx_hm> not that i could get grub to load on the mbr at all
17:07 < Synx_hm> it thinks hd0 is my dvd drive i think
17:07 < Synx_hm> so i fixed the device.map to hd0 = /dev/sda and it still didn't work
17:07 < Synx_hm> /sbin/grub-install thinks hd1 is the sata drive
17:08 < Synx_hm> and just grub manual command line, thinks hd0 is the sata drive
17:08 <@brimstone> i've never had to change device.map
17:08 <@brimstone> huh
17:08 < Synx_hm> ya it seems others are having similar issues
17:08 < Synx_hm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/14135
17:08 <@brimstone> usually i just set the boot drive to the primary master whatever, then let grub go at it
17:08 < Synx_hm> ive got two sata drives and no pata drive
17:09 < Synx_hm> well i had a backup pata drive in that it over wrote the mbr on DOH but that didn't work properly anyways, but at least grub got loaded on its mbr
17:09 <@brimstone> question for you sql/postgres junkies, is there a way to sort based on last name when fullname = "first last" ?
17:09 <@brimstone> i don't have a lastname field :(
17:10 <+coil> lrn2lastname
17:10  * brimstone hits coil with a handful of whitespace
17:10  * coil ducks
17:10 <+coil> quack quack
17:10 < Synx_hm> brb
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17:26  * dc0de graps gzip and cleans up brimstone's whitespace
17:26  * brimstone skips over a null pointer and sprays all over the floor
17:26  * ShadowHntr dereferences a null pointer and watches the channel go BOOM !
17:27  * dc0de grabs some token-ring, and runs it around the floor to contain brimstone's null pointer.
17:27 <@ShadowHntr> lol
17:27 <@dc0de> One TOKEN ring to rule them all!
17:29 < Synx_hm> dc0de, shit will not install
17:29 < Synx_hm> :(
17:29  * Pr0nStrGeek_Work sticks his finger in dc0de's token ring...
17:29 < Synx_hm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/14135
17:42 < Synx_hm> dc0de, yay got it working
17:42 < Synx_hm> w00t
17:43 < Synx_hm> fing bios defaulted to raid and wouldn't boot off the drive with that enabled
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17:45 < Synx_hm> dc0de, how do i add another screen to the screen and graphics pref's
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18:16 <@dc0de> Synx_hm you have it open?
18:17 < Synx_hm> hehe i dumped it again to try the softraid one more time ;)
18:17 < Synx_hm> but i got it working with twin view
18:17 < Synx_hm> i hope i can get vmware to support dual monitor, ie two sepeerate screens
18:17 <@dc0de> k
18:17 <@dc0de> do you have the nvidia adapter loaded? using the restricted driver?
18:17 < Synx_hm> this beryl looks bad ass
18:18 < Synx_hm> ya
18:18 <@dc0de> beryl? you're not using comp-viz?
18:18 < Synx_hm> used the restricted driver and ran nvidia-settings
18:18 < Synx_hm> i just saw a youtube video is all
18:18 <@sdodson> compiz /me thinks you means
18:18 <@dc0de> kk.
18:18 <@dc0de> sdodson did beryl get renamed?
18:18 < Synx_hm> compiz? is this a different wm or does it run under gnome
18:19 <@sdodson> compiz -> beryl -> compiz-fusion
18:19 <@dc0de> I think comp-viz is beryl...
18:19 <@dc0de> compiz compviz...
18:19 <@dc0de> ok.
18:20 <@dc0de> we're talking about the same thing.
18:20 < Synx_hm> so is it a different wm alltogather
18:20 <@sdodson> beryl forked, went off did a lot of eye candy bullshit then merged back in with compiz
18:20 <@dc0de> Synx_hm we're talking the same thing
18:20 <@dc0de> in your screens and graphics, do you see your 2nd monitor?
18:20 < Synx_hm> im still not done with the softraid install
18:21 < Synx_hm> give me a sec
18:21 <@dc0de> oh.
18:21 < Synx_hm> i just killed the normal non raid install
18:21 < Synx_hm> woof
18:21 < Synx_hm> softraid worked
18:21 < Synx_hm> yay
18:21 <+coil> hi Synx_hm
18:21 < Synx_hm> err
18:21 < Synx_hm> or so i think
18:22 < Synx_hm> how do i kill the ubuntu boot screen because i think it hung
18:22 <+coil> ctlr atl dle
18:22 < Synx_hm> duh i mean to see kernel messages like a panic
18:22 <+coil> lrn2ubunutboot
18:23 < Synx_hm> thanks
18:23 <+coil> so what should i install on my laptop when i get my hd tomorrow
18:23 <+coil> what cool uber leet new distro is there?
18:24 <@sdodson> deeznutu
18:25  * coil drinks
18:31 < Synx_hm> fuck
18:31 < Synx_hm> it hangs on usbcore load, well right after that its not a panic just nothing happens
18:32 <+coil> fsck ubunloser
18:35 < Synx_hm> dc0de, so is compiz-fusion a different wm or what?
18:35 <@timoguin> it the remerging of compiz and beryl
18:35 <@sdodson> Yes, it's a window manager
18:41 < Synx_hm> anyone here run it?
18:41 < Synx_hm> it looks neat
18:42 < Synx_hm> not sure how usefull it would be though hehe
18:42 <@sdodson> yes i run it
18:47 <@ShadowHntr> i prefer suse and slack
18:48 <@sdodson> slacker or slackware?
18:48 <@ShadowHntr> slackware
18:48 <+coil> what's that
18:48 < ware> i am not a slacker!
18:48  * ware dont slack
18:48 <@sdodson> ware: lies
18:48 <@ShadowHntr> lol
18:50 < Synx_hm> ShadowHntr, i learned linux on slackware, that was the first distro i ever used, what a great way to jump right in
18:50 <@sdodson> Sweet, Barry Wang from Hong Kong wants me resume!
18:50 <@sdodson> Me too, but then I wised up
18:50 < Synx_hm> ran what ever was before iptables firewall out of a laptop totally out of its case in a drawer in my desk hehe, back when ISDN was the big deal
18:50 <@sdodson> ipchains
18:50 < Synx_hm> ya hehe
18:50 < Synx_hm> couldn't remember
18:51 < Synx_hm> i think it was a 486 laptop
18:55 <@sdodson> man digital river is slow
18:58 <@brimstone> axel?
19:00 < Synx_hm> whats a good newsgroup client for linux?  ive got newsleecher for windows it rocks
19:00 <@sdodson> you actively trying to download spam?
19:00 < Synx_hm> binaries
19:01 <@sasquatc4> you can use what i use in windows, sabnzbd, web based
19:01 < Synx_hm> i could run newsleecher under vm i guess
19:01 < Synx_hm> as i paid for it and all
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19:04 <@dc0de> sdodson which db is better for casual laptop use? Mysql or postgress?
19:05 < Synx_hm> yay got softraid working finally
19:05 <@brimstone> dc0de, few people will benefit from postgres
19:06 <@brimstone> most only need what mysql has to offer
19:06 <@dc0de> ok, so wouldn't mysql be overkill for the casual db user?
19:06 <@brimstone> use sqlite then
19:07 <@dc0de> I'm just looking for a replacement for access in linux
19:08 <@dc0de> if that's sqlite.. cool
19:08 <@brimstone> sqlite == slow, easy
19:11 <@dc0de> brimstone perfect.
19:11 <@dc0de> easy I need, slow, I don't care
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19:11 <@brimstone> mysql is pretty easy too
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19:12 <@Catonic> dc0de: I understand why you live in Dacula now.
19:12 <@dc0de> Catonic how's that?
19:13 <@Catonic> Because, if the shit hits the fan, you don't have to worry about the inner city attempting to loot the suburbs
19:13 <@dc0de> huh?
19:13 <@Catonic> If we had a disaster here, it would be NOLA all over again.
19:13 <@dc0de> are you in ATL?
19:13 <@Catonic> Therefore, my emergency plan has to be simple: run for the hills!
19:13 <@Catonic> no, BHM..
19:14 <@dc0de> ok, so, I'm confused even further.
19:14 <@Catonic> we have enough guns in the hands of ignorant people that one would need to establish martial law to keep things from getting out of hand..
19:15 <@Catonic> Even then, I'm not certain anything short of rooftop snipers would stop some.
19:15 <@sdodson> dc0de: whichever database is supported by the app you'll run.
19:15 <@dc0de> Just like NoLo
19:15 <@Catonic> NoLo?
19:15 <@dc0de> sdodson I'm just going to use it on my gnome desktop... the OpenOffice base just doesn't cut it.
19:15 <@dc0de> New Orleans.
19:16 <@Catonic> yeah..
19:16 <@dc0de> NoLa
19:16 <@dc0de> sorry
19:16 <@Catonic> I hate to say it, but I realize that I live in a neighborhood that would be the first target of "foragers"..
19:16 <@Catonic> whereas you can get together with your neighbors and say "Ok, let's work together here, we can make it"...
19:17 <@sdodson> dc0de: I'd use mysql then, it's the easiest and probably has more howtos.
19:17 <@dc0de> Catonic that's why I live in a neighborhood of Cops, and just down the road from the County Sheriff's Horse Ranch
19:17 <@sdodson> though sqlite is easy
19:17 <@dc0de> sdodson thanks
19:17 <@Catonic> I can totally see BHM cops walking off the job in a disaster.
19:18 <@Catonic> "Fuck this shit, I got a family.."
19:18 <@sdodson> lootie!
19:18 <@dc0de> Catonic one of my neighbors is on the SWAT Team (read Armed to the teeth) and the other owns several AK's, and over 5,000 rnds of ammo for them
19:18 <@Catonic> I was thinking my disaster plan would be to come down to the datacenter and camp out...
19:18 <@sdodson> http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/racism09.htm  lootie ftw
19:19 <@Catonic> then I realized that nothing short of a military-grade perimeter with an M60 nest would keep them away.
19:19 < Synx_hm> dc0de, what irc client you use?
19:19 <@sdodson> what was the ISP that was in new orleans that was reporting from thier DC?
19:19 <@dc0de> Synx_hm I'm currently using a hosted account with bitchx
19:19 < Synx_hm> ahh
19:20 <@dc0de> so I just ssh out to silenceisdefeat.org, and run bitchx in screen.
19:20 < Synx_hm> xchat still around?
19:20 <@dc0de> Synx_hm yup
19:20 <@dc0de> works fine
19:20 < Synx_hm> think ill try that
19:20 <@sdodson> sigh, I think sp3 bustificated samba shares
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19:20 <@dc0de> sdodson "bustificated"... heh. :)
19:20 <@dc0de> sounds like a song by Tool
19:22 < Synx_hm> poop i broke firefox
19:22 <@brimstone> join the club
19:22 < Synx_hm> the theme i just installed wont let me open any menus
19:22 <@dc0de> heh.
19:22 < Synx_hm> so i cant disable it doh
19:22 < Synx_hm> ;)
19:23 <@dc0de> reload in safe mode?
19:23 < Synx_hm> ya how do i run firefox in safe mode
19:23 < Synx_hm> command line option i assume
19:23 <@dc0de> firefox -safe-mode
19:24 < Synx_hm> thanks
19:25 < Synx_hm> how do i install this extra compiz-fusion stuff
19:25 < Synx_hm> ;)
19:26 <@dc0de> apt-get install compiz
19:27 <@dc0de> sdodson mysql 5.0 or 5.1?
19:27 <@brimstone> 5.2!
19:27 <@brimstone> use latest ^_^
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19:27 < Synx_hm> allready have it
19:27 <@dc0de> brimstone 5.2 is latest?
19:27 < Synx_hm> how do i run the configuration for it
19:28 <@dc0de> GA shows 5.02
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19:28 <@sdodson> 5.whatever-comes-with-your-ubuntuz
19:28 <@dc0de> Synx_hm go to system | Preferences | Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
19:28 <@dc0de> sdodson kk.
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19:29 <@sdodson> life is too short to worry about compiling your own shit just for the sake of compiling it.
19:29 <@dc0de> rgr... I agree
19:29 <@brimstone> preach it brother
19:29 < Synx_ubuntu> dont have advance desktop affects listed
19:29 < Synx_ubuntu> is there a tool to update the menus
19:30 <@dc0de> when you add new applications?
19:30 < Synx_ubuntu> yar
19:30 <@dc0de> kill gnome-something or another...
19:31 <@dc0de> ~google for 'how to reset ubuntu gnome menus'
19:31 <+MxZBot> Google says how to reset ubuntu gnome menus is at http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/ubuntu-panel-menu-bar-applet-loses-transparency-kde-affects-gnome/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=426204 or http://ubuntuguide.org/
19:32 <@dc0de> kill gnome-panel
19:32 <@dc0de> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-add-entries-in-gnome-menu.html
19:33 < Synx_ubuntu> whats that menu item linked to?
19:33 < Synx_ubuntu> i dont have it
19:33 <@dc0de> killall gnome-panel
19:33 <@dc0de> menu item for Advanced Desktop settings/
19:34 <@dc0de> ?
19:34 < Synx_ubuntu> ya
19:34 <@dc0de> go to System Preferences and select Appearance
19:34 <@dc0de> then go to the Visual Effects tab
19:34 <@dc0de> what is selected?
19:34 < Synx_ubuntu> i have extra selected
19:35 <@dc0de> do you have a custom option?
19:35 < Synx_ubuntu> i am getting some of the effects, just not a way to choose what
19:35 < Synx_ubuntu> nope
19:35 <@dc0de> hrm...
19:35 <@dc0de> hold pls
19:36 <@dc0de> go to the command line, and see if you can launch 'ccsm'
19:37 < Synx_ubuntu> nope
19:38 <@dc0de> Synx_ubuntu install compizconfig-settings-manager
19:39 < Synx_ubuntu> doing
19:39 < Synx_ubuntu> hrm
19:39 < Synx_ubuntu> where is vmware server?
19:39 <@dc0de> www.vmware.com
19:45 < Synx_ubuntu> damn it i answered all the qustions
19:45 < Synx_ubuntu> i hate this stuff hehe
19:55 <@dc0de> heh.
19:55 < Synx_ubuntu> seriously i have answered all required items
19:56 <@someninjamaster> you can make a 265,000 lb hunk of metal fly
19:56 <@someninjamaster> but you cant get nix to work
19:56 < Synx_ubuntu> ya hehe
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20:06 < Synx_ubuntu> finally
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20:08 < Synx_hm> poop
20:08 < Synx_hm> i cant log into the msdn site with firefox i dont think
20:08 <@sdodson> yes you can
20:09 < Synx_hm> at least i dont think the download app works
20:09 <@sdodson> can't download anything though
20:09 < Synx_hm> that sucks balls
20:09 <@sdodson> perhaps you can get activex working with firefox+wine
20:09 < Synx_hm> never worked in firefox in windows either i dont think
20:09 < Synx_hm> not that i tried all that hard
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20:20 <@dasunt> TECO + Brainfuck
20:20 <@dasunt> Wow.
20:20 <@dasunt> If you still use TECO, is that the editor equivalent of necrophillia?
20:23 < Synx_hm> sdodson: what was that webbaised news downloader?
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20:35 <@dc0de> Synx_hm I use my windows environment in vmware to download msdn crap
20:35 < Synx_hm> yar
20:36 < Synx_hm> well ive gotta get ready for my flight tomorrow so im going to get my shit in order
20:36 < Synx_hm> afk
20:49 <@JimShoe> EVDO teathering is pretty fast
20:49 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
20:50 <@JimShoe> hey SkyDog_
20:50 <@dc0de> w00f
20:50 <@tcstool> Hi SkyDog
20:51 <@SkyDog_> W00f!
20:52  * ladymerlin pokes SkyDog_ 
21:01 <@sdodson> Synx_hm: <@sasquatc4> you can use what i use in windows, sabnzbd, web based
21:01 <@sasquatc4> ?
21:01 <@sdodson> 21:23 < Synx_hm> sdodson: what was that webbaised news downloader?
21:01 <@sdodson> copy and paste masta
21:01 <@sasquatc4> ahh
21:02 <@sasquatc4> Synx_hm: you may want to look for sabnzbd plus, sabnzbd itself has been discontinued and the project picked up by others
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21:08 < critch> hey guys
21:08 <@sdodson> sup critch?
21:08 < critch> showing off
21:08 <@tcstool> evening
21:08 <@sdodson> oh, what are you showing off?
21:09 < critch> showing off my work computer to a friend
21:10 <@sdodson> IRC is the most impressive thing you could think of?
21:10 <@sdodson> I guess it's just me.
21:10  * sdodson smiles for the audience
21:10 < critch> nope showing sloppy focus
21:13 <@tcstool> sdodson:  Good point
21:15 <@brimstone> i like my focus like my joes, sloppy
21:15 <@sdodson> Welcome to moes!
21:15 <@brimstone> holy crap i just got back fromthere
21:17 <@brimstone> ya know, if i had to snipe someone in politics, i'd dress up in a clown suit to make my getaway
21:17  * sdodson updates his brimstone logs
21:28 <@brimstone> :(
21:29 <@sdodson> There's not a Moe's close by, there is however a Qdoba.
21:32 <@dc0de> w00fexit
21:32 <@dc0de> wtf?
21:32 <@dc0de> wrong window
21:33 <@sdodson> zomg he's been infected with dagmar disease
21:34  * dc0de goes and washes his hands.... 
21:35 <@dc0de> there, got rid of it
21:38 <@sdodson> ahw, now i feel bad, i just meant that you hit the wrong window like he does so frequently
21:39 <@freakn> what could the R in AVP-R stand for?  Do people still go see movies like that in theaters?
21:41 <@sdodson> rematch?
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21:42 <@freakn> I Am thinking regurgitated, but the website says reqrium
21:42 <@freakn> *reqium
21:42 <@freakn> ya know, n/m
21:42 <@sdodson> ya
21:43 <@sdodson> Christmas day release, silly.
21:43 <@freakn> eh, people do get quiet bored and agitated when sitting around realtives all day
21:44 <@freakn> might as well go blow $10 on a regurgitation movie
21:45 <@sdodson> I didn't really like the first one that much and my expectations were fairly low as it were.
21:46 <@freakn> It was nice how they attempted to do "prequel" type things ... with the corporation and the rich guy looking like the androids ... but that died off fast.  It was a decent almost all computer generated action flick
21:47 <@freakn> I didn't pay anything for it.
21:48 <@freakn> though the next star trek movie is planned to come out on Christmas ..... 2008
21:49 <@tzanger> evening
21:49 <@freakn> yo
21:49 <@brimstone> hi tzanger
21:51 <@tzanger> how goes
21:51 <@brimstone> left and right, left and right
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22:02 <@tzanger> heh
22:03  * tzanger is trying to figure out a better way of watchign lots of fds for events
22:05 <@sdodson> fds?
22:05 <@tzanger> file descriptors
22:05 <@tzanger> poll/select
22:05 <@tzanger> type stuff
22:06 <@sdodson> libnotify ?
22:06 <@tzanger> I don't think epoll is an answer for me here, nor is libnotify; this is kernel/users[ace interaction
22:06 <@sdodson> dunno, good luck
22:06 <@tzanger> heh
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22:30 <@ShadowHntr> i am two ticks away from not suportiong my parents windows systems :P
22:30 <@ShadowHntr> trend micro SUCKS
22:32 <@freakn> christmas is coming up, think they would like a mac mini?
22:32 <@timoguin> ooooh...
22:32 <@timoguin> i would.
22:33 <@ShadowHntr> if only i could afford one, frakn
22:33 <@ShadowHntr> er
22:33 <@ShadowHntr> freakn
22:34 <@ShadowHntr> damn dialup and lag
22:35 <@freakn> Minis aren't ... that bag.  Like 1/5th the cost of a mac pro
22:35 <@freakn> *that bad
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22:42 <@ShadowHntr> maybe a power mac g4
22:42 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: I wouldn't mind having a second Mac Mini
22:43 <@someninjamaster> a mac mini was my first mac
22:43 <@sdodson> Do the mac minis clearly say not to open them?
22:43 <@ShadowHntr> i like os x
22:43 <@someninjamaster> sdodson: yes
22:43 <@someninjamaster> well
22:43 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: They don't, but it's not clear how to open them, either
22:43 <@ShadowHntr> i miss my m68k mac
22:43 <@someninjamaster> they are made to be difficult to open
22:43 <@sdodson> someninjamaster: Like clearly enough that it's indeniable that opening it voids your warranty?
22:43 <@ShadowHntr> Centris 650, OS 8.0
22:43 <@ShadowHntr> 64MB RAM
22:44 <@someninjamaster> its difficult not to break the clips on
22:44 <@sasquatc4> of all macs they do seem like ones that are actually worth the price
22:44 <@sdodson> someone at the local meetings opened his, installed more ram, noticed the super drive doesn't read dvds, took it to the store and they told him it was out of warranty
22:44 <@someninjamaster> thats why i have a friend thats apple desktop cert to open it for me
22:44 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: you mean other than laptops
22:44 <@sdodson> which seems obvious to me, but he says he read carefully and it doesn't mention not to open it.
22:44 <@sasquatc4> i dunno, seeing how much they sell their laptops for, hardly seems worth it for a comparable pc one
22:45 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: if you can't find the opening, do they really need to tell you not to open it?
22:45 <@someninjamaster> i wouldnt give up my mac laptops for anything
22:45 <@sasquatc4> like this thing would have prolly cost an extra 1500 had i got it from apple
22:45 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: get a refurb, instead
22:46 <@sdodson> do refurbs carry the same warranty?
22:46 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: lower price, same goods, same warranty
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22:46 <@sasquatc4> actually just checked it, for the same specs, apple is 1100 more
22:46 <@Corydon76-dig> That's what mine is, and I don't think I paid even $1500 for it
22:47 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: There are too many geeks who have gotten Mac laptops for it to be a coincidence
22:48 <@sasquatc4> i just find it hard to condone an extra 1.1k for the apple brand with the exact same hardware
22:48 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: what are you comparing?
22:48 <@freakn> it's all about the image, the bling bling
22:48 <@sasquatc4> this laptop i just got, which is the same specs as the mac book pro they are selling for 2k
22:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Intel Duo Core?
22:49 <@someninjamaster> i doubt the exact same specs
22:49 <@sasquatc4> yea
22:49 <@sasquatc4> it is, same proc, same screen res, same hdd, same graphics, same memory
22:49 <@someninjamaster> since the macs have some features that dont come on most laptops
22:49 <@someninjamaster> but does it have a camera
22:49 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: firewire 800, USB 2, Gigabit Ethernet, builtin camera?
22:49 <@sasquatc4> only thing i dont have is the webcam, which ididnt feel like ordering but would have been an extra 30
22:50 <@someninjamaster> is it a led backlit
22:50 <@someninjamaster> screen
22:50 <@sasquatc4> dunno
22:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Is it a metal or plastic case?
22:50 <@someninjamaster> is the keyboard backlit
22:51 <@someninjamaster> does it come with a remote and ir port
22:51 <@sasquatc4> the external part of the case is brushed metal, the inner is plastic
22:51 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: pssst, you mean "Core 2 Duo"
22:51 <@sasquatc4> crikey, bustin out with all sorts of random stuff, not backlit, but dont really care about that, has an ir port and supports a remote, but didnt order that either, thats another 50
22:51 <@freakn> many laptops have features like that, laptops at least better than the $300 black friday models.  But even with all the bells and whistles the point is they come priced much less in price than a mac book or mac book pro and normal people don't notice a difference
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: Firewire?
22:52 <@someninjamaster> but im saying thats what make a mac more
22:52 <@sdodson> atleast I hope you're not talking about buying an original core duo at this point in time
22:52 <@sdodson> firewire isn't a feature
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> It's not?
22:52 <@sasquatc4> id have to look, sorta dark in here, but i doubt it, not that i ever use firewire
22:52 <@sdodson> atleast not one that you care about, I think even most digicams have usb now as well.
22:52 <@sasquatc4> actually it does have firewire
22:53 <@sasquatc4> ill be damned
22:53 <@someninjamaster> Corydon76-dig:  have you tried out time machine yet
22:53 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: 400 or 800?
22:53 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I don't have Leopard
22:53 <@sasquatc4> not a clue
22:53 <@someninjamaster> oh
22:53 <@sdodson> i thought time machine was in tiger
22:53 <@someninjamaster> nope
22:53 <@someninjamaster> its an excellent program
22:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Not going to, either, until they fix some of the issues
22:54 <@someninjamaster> i havent had any issues yet knock on wood
22:54 <@sasquatc4> i mean your touting all these features that i have no interest in, sorta seems hard to justify the extra 1k for things i didnt even bother to learn about on the one i bought
22:54 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: so you paid $900 for your laptop?
22:54 <@sasquatc4> yea
22:54 <@sdodson> ya, firewire is non starter
22:54 <@sdodson> dead technology, sorry
22:55 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: what's the warranty?
22:55 <@sasquatc4> 1 year
22:55 <@freakn> does it come with an aluminum heat transfer bad to help maximize scrotum burnage if the CPU cranks up too long?
22:55 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: turnaround time?
22:55 <@freakn> *heat transfer pad
22:55 <@sasquatc4> prolly a week or two
22:55 <@sasquatc4> i know the warranty wont match up
22:56 <@someninjamaster> thats what i love about apple they have a very good turn around
22:56 <@sdodson> Ya, but it's not an apple so you don't have to assume you'll need the warranty four times within the first yera.
22:56 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: came with Vista?
22:56 <@sasquatc4> yea, i do give them that, good warranty service
22:56 <@sdodson> What's the best warranty, the one you never use.
22:56 <@sasquatc4> naw, xp, made sure about that one
22:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, time will tell if you made the better choice
22:57 <@sasquatc4> indeed
22:57 <@Corydon76-dig> I've worked with a generic laptop before, did fine, but I had FreeBSD on it...
22:57 <@sdodson> I don't know a single apple owner that hasn't had their laptop in for servicing.
22:57 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: you lie
22:58 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: You know me
22:58 <@sdodson> I try to say I don't!
22:58 <@sasquatc4> well this isnt really generic, just dell, which i guess is fairly generic, but i never have much issues with pc's to begin with
22:58 <@sdodson> Does OS really matter, the only time OS would matter would be if you wanted OSX.
22:58 <@sasquatc4> been usin the same hp laptop for 5 years now, and have desktops i built with generic pos hardware that still run after 10 years
22:58 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: OS doesn't matter as long as it's not Vista
22:58 <@sdodson> If it comes with XP on it, who cares?
22:58 <@sdodson> Same with vista.
22:58 <@sdodson> It's not like it's hard to remove.
22:59 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: Vista is a handicap
22:59 <@sdodson> so uninstall it
22:59 <@sasquatc4> well i wouldnt want vista on it just cause i would then have to take the time to take it off and put xp back on it
22:59 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: no, but it's an extra expense if you want another OS instead
22:59 <@someninjamaster> the issue is drivers
22:59 <@sdodson> You didn't buy your laptop with FreeBSD on it, so you had to go through the same process as if it had Vista on it no matter what.
22:59 <@sdodson> The expense is negligible.
22:59 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: it came with Windows 98, actually
23:00 <@sasquatc4> anyway, back to the original topic, the mac mini does seem really cool, for a pc with that form factor, thats hard to beat
23:00 <@ShadowHntr> *cringe*
23:01 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: it's not bad... then again, mine is a fairly old G4 processor
23:01 <@freakn> keep in mind you can disable all the popups in Vista.
23:01 <@someninjamaster> thats what mine is
23:01 <@someninjamaster> the old 1.4ghz g4
23:01 <@sdodson> Those drives are 5400rpm or 7200rpm?
23:01 <@freakn> well, almost all
23:02 <@Corydon76-dig> I forget what the speed was
23:02 <@sdodson> they're 2.5" drives so i'd assume they're 5400rpm unless they just say "screw it, power isn't an issue"
23:02 <@Corydon76-dig> How do you get the speed from the command line?
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, 1.42, as well
23:04 <@ShadowHntr> not sure if you can
23:04 <@ShadowHntr> i think you have to crossreference from the model number
23:04 <@Corydon76-dig> 'sokay, I'm using vncviewer
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> hmmmm...
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> maybe i'll reboot into linux
23:05 <@ShadowHntr> brbr
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23:05 <@someninjamaster> i got a really good deal because i got it off the apple employee site
23:05 <@sdodson> don't see how to do it
23:06 <@sdodson> i wish nano played oggs
23:06 <@sdodson> without a different os
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: actually, that drive is a 4200
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23:17 <@ShadowHntr> hmmm
23:17 <@ShadowHntr> interesting client
23:18 <@deoptima> me?
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> no
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> me
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> switched over to linux
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> using Konversation
23:18 <@deoptima> ohhhhhh
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> definitely a change from xchat
23:18 <@deoptima> yea im on my evil windows box, ive been fighting fedora for 3 days, time to go back to debian on my server
23:18 <@ShadowHntr> i got openSUSE
23:18 <@deoptima> yea it is isnt it
23:19 <@ShadowHntr> i'm dualbooting
23:19 <@deoptima> yea ive tried that too, seemed to commercialized and baloted
23:19 <@ShadowHntr> 64-bit openSUSE
23:19 <@ShadowHntr> and xp
23:23 <@deoptima> i did the 64bit thing with kubuntu over a year ago pissed me off but i bet its gotten a lot better now
23:24 <@sdodson> it's still a bit of a mess
23:26 <@ShadowHntr> i haven't had any problems so far
23:26 <@juice> ack
23:27 <@juice> It's below freezing and raining like crazy
23:27 <@juice> never seen so much rain in december here before
23:27 <@juice> it's half frozen and half wet
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> bow down before the one you serve
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> you're going to get what you deserve.
23:27 <@ShadowHntr> great tune :D
23:27 <@sdodson> you run into problems anytime you have to run apps which are available only in binary form.
23:28 <@sdodson> java, flash, acrobat
23:28  * ShadowHntr is jammin' to Nine Inch Nails - Head Like a Hole (Clay) (MP3)
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23:32 <@sasquatc4> whats the recommended linux pdf reader these days, still xpdf? or is there somethin better
23:33 <@ShadowHntr> um
23:33 <@sdodson> evince
23:33 < Feltenix> I tend to use evince
23:33 <@ShadowHntr> i remember a conversation about this a while back
23:33 <@ShadowHntr> yeah that's it
23:33 <@sdodson> ghost view!
23:33 <@ShadowHntr> ghostscript ftw ;)
23:33 < ware> YOU KNIOW
23:33 < ware> ShadowHntr: why you slackin
23:33 <@sasquatc4> hehe
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23:33 < ware> hardcore nigga
23:33 <@ShadowHntr> wtf
23:33 < ware> hardcore nigga
23:33 < ware> you slackin
23:34 < ware> whats the deal
23:34 <@ShadowHntr> fuck off
23:34 < ware> fuck off?
23:34 < ware> fuck on!
23:34 < ware> why you slackin
23:34 < ware> im curious
23:35 <@sasquatc4> hmmm, evince doesnt render half of this too well
23:35 < ware> HAI
23:35 < ware> SASQUATCH
23:36 <@sasquatc4> hola
23:40 < ware> WHAT IT DO
23:40 < ware> haha
23:40 < ware> im drunk
23:40 < ware> and glad i dont have ops
23:40 < ware> Corydon76-dig: never give me ops
23:42 <@ShadowHntr> i palindrome i
23:42 < ware> id hit it
23:42 < ware> even tho shes seems to be the channel slut
23:42 < ware> err
23:42 < ware> shit
23:42 < ware> im lyin
23:43 <@someninjamaster> ware i though you would hit anything that moves
23:43 <@juice> large women or small cattle he doesn't care
23:44  * ware hits someninjamaster in the eye
23:44 < ware> yall aint know
23:44 <@juice> ware you drunk?
23:44  * ware plays his music entirely troo loud
23:44 < ware> yeah a little
23:44 <@juice> lol
23:46 < ware> :D
23:46 < ware> yay drunk and pissed etc
23:46 < ware>  somebody op me
23:46 < ware> i dare YOU!
23:46 < ware> someninjamaster: cmon
23:46 < ware> http://a350.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/l_e004187eefb4eb5b42697aee604d7d4d.jpg
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23:52 <@ShadowHntr> lol
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