--- Log opened Wed Nov 28 00:00:57 2007
00:00 < ware> it was the .jpg!
00:01 * ware wonders why a coworker doesnt stalk him on irc
00:01 < ware> i would not ever have a job with anyone on here i dont think haha
00:02 < ware> nsfw http://fukung.net/v/5865/6ewqr2o.jpg damn
00:04 <@someninjamaster> wow
00:05 <@B3AST> http://fukung.net/v/5611/rlylaid.jpg Is that one of SkyDog's Outerzone shirts?
00:05 <@someninjamaster> no
00:06 <@someninjamaster> his says suck my cock
00:06 <@someninjamaster> i think
00:06 <@B3AST> ah thats right, think so
00:06 <@someninjamaster> http://www.skydogview.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album98&id=f_u_cn_rd_ths_Black_T_shirt
00:08 < ware> f u cn rd ths, sk mi ck
00:09 <+coil> no
00:13 <@Corydon76-home> http://fukung.net/v/3447/GrateTP.jpg
00:29 <@Corydon76-home> http://fukung.net/v/2859/porno.jpg
00:30 <@sasquatc4> that was a real thing wasnt it?
00:30 <@Corydon76-home> Heh, probably
00:31 <@sasquatc4> yea it was, apparently theres a story on boingboing about it, but the site is down
00:33 <@Dagmar> Are those worksafe?
00:33 <@Corydon76-home> Yes
00:33 <@Corydon76-home> The first one is painful, but worksafe
00:33 <@Dagmar> \...and the second one is not worksafe then
00:36 <@sasquatc4> the second one is just text if that matters
00:41 <@Corydon76-home> http://fukung.net/v/5480/cnnsucks.jpg SFW
00:41 <@Corydon76-home> Gotta love that Warp 18 speed
00:44 <@someninjamaster> thats hauling ass
00:49 <@dasunt> The really need to get laid shirt rocks.
00:52 <@Corydon76-home> http://fukung.net/v/5176/cens.jpg SFW
00:55 <@Corydon76-home> http://fukung.net/v/5714/darwinism01.gif sfw
00:56 * dasunt waits for the NSFW - Adorable cute slim woman.
00:56 <+coil> np: Nine Inch Nails – Just Like You Imagined
00:57 <@Corydon76-home> This one is wrong. Oh, and it features a cute Asian girl (just for you, dasunt): http://fukung.net/v/6705/1189550448005_1.jpg
01:00 <@dasunt> Corydon76-home: So wriong.
01:00 <+coil> haahhaahhah
01:02 <@dasunt> http://fukung.net/v/4053/SNES%20Porn.jpg <- My first thought was "damn good SNES game"
01:03 <@dasunt> http://fukung.net/v/581/futileabe.jpg
01:05 <@dasunt> http://fukung.net/v/805/wlra1c.jpg
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07:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, h0 h0 h0ez!
07:20 < rattleX> Morning Dol..
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07:55 <@dasunt> wMy coffee maker needs replacement
07:57 <@dasunt> Like now.
07:57 < ware> sup
07:57 * ware just got a cup
07:57 <@dasunt> Bastard.
07:57 < ware> 4 heapins scoops for 10 cups
07:58 <@dasunt> Well I have shitty coffee.
07:58 < ware> oh its good. hot and... beany
07:58 <@Dolemite> it's about time for my hot chocolate... I think I'll do caramel today
07:58 < ware> they buy foldgers by the gallon
07:58 < ware> today i quit smoking
07:58 < ware> ^5
08:00 <@Dolemite> You've done that before
08:02 * brimstone does it again
08:03 < ware> shhh!
08:03 < ware> but today ireally quit
08:04 < ware> :D
08:04 <@brimstone> just like you quit kho?
08:04 <@brimstone> your track record isn't good ware
08:04 < ware> neither are my track marks but its what i got
08:04 < ware> thnx 4 the support
08:05 <@brimstone> sure, np
08:05 <@brimstone> ^5
08:10 <@dasunt> Lets bet when ware takes up smoking again.
08:11 * ware offers 10 to 1 odds on a month
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08:16 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
08:19 < ware> morning
08:21 <@SkyDog_> What's up ware-nizzle?
08:21 <@SkyDog_> You getting the work cranked out this AM?
08:22 <@dasunt> ware: What are the odds on 24-48 hours?
08:27 <@dasunt> http://xkcd.com/350/
08:28 <@tzanger> that's actually not bad
08:29 <@dasunt> I should head off to work soon. :(
08:31 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, you slacker!
08:31 <@SkyDog_> Ahem.
08:36 < ware> http://www.quitsmokingcounter.com/
08:36 < ware> SkyDog_: yeah
08:36 < ware> funny story tho, remember last night i was joking about the server not coming back up
08:36 < ware> well... lulz.
08:36 <+coil> ti ddint com bak up?
08:37 < ware> hai kan we murder the enrish language moar plz?
08:37 < ware> I think i was preoccupied with the lulz and didnt select restart on the shutdown menu
08:37 <@SkyDog_> Dude. I told ya.
08:41 < ware> have you ever messed with RWW on SBS
08:42 <@SkyDog_> RWW? Anything on SBS makes me nervous.
08:42 < ware> Remote Web Workplace
08:42 < ware> its like rdp via a web interface
08:42 <@brimstone> ew
08:43 < ware> pita and i dont understand why its not working, but apparently exchange and it have issues on sbs, go figure
08:43 <@SkyDog_> Hmm. It does not make me feel comfortable.
08:43 <@SkyDog_> I would not use it, were I you.
08:43 < ware> i think theres alot of things done here that are continued to be done just because theyve been that way for so long
08:43 <@SkyDog_> Well, that def. does not make them right.
08:44 <@SkyDog_> So what are you wanting to do, just remote admin?
08:44 < ware> its for the customer to remote in
08:44 < ware> i dont see why we cant use a saved rdp session
08:44 <@SkyDog_> For the customer to remote in and do what?
08:45 < ware> *shrug* id assume check on her employees, get to web apps, check email
08:45 <@SkyDog_> Well, My suggestion, and something that I have done several times, is this:
08:46 <@SkyDog_> Either build a terminal server, if there are enough people to use it,
08:46 <@SkyDog_> or setup her machine for remote desktop, and change the port it responds too.
08:46 <@SkyDog_> poke a hole in the firewall and point it to her machine.
08:46 <@SkyDog_> Letting a client dial into a server is setting yourself up for disaster.
08:47 <@brimstone> aww, but i love disaster
08:47 <@SkyDog_> I had a legacy client that did that. The guy dialing in constantly shut down the server, because he could not tell the difference.
08:47 <@SkyDog_> I would get a nagios page all the damn time from it.
08:47 < ware> hahaha
08:48 <@SkyDog_> If you don't use a seperate terminal server, they have to be admins on the regualr server. that gives them the ability to shut down the box.
08:48 <@SkyDog_> and for the price of a decent Dell precision box, and server 2003 +5 CALS, you can give them a decently secure, non-threatening way of connecting.
08:49 <@SkyDog_> Hell, if it's only one person, aim it at her personal box, and make sure the local admin password is strong.
08:51 <@dc0de> mr0nin
08:52 <@Dolemite> SkyDog_ : I'm pretty sure that "strong" would show up in a dictionary attack. ;)
08:56 <@SkyDog_> SHHH!!! I am trying to set him up...
08:56 <@SkyDog_> ware: What's the IP you're dialing into? ;)
08:59 <@SkyDog_> http://129.59.214.182:8080/ <---fairly safe for work. It has one cussword.
08:59 < ware> 127.0.0.1 user: administrator pass: password
09:02 <@SkyDog_> That web server is running off my desktop machine, using HFS. I found it while googling for the filesystem 'HFS' yesterday.
09:03 <@brimstone> HFS?
09:03 <@brimstone> what were you looking for?
09:03 <@SkyDog_> There is a 'robotic' backup system called drobo. http://www..drobo.com
09:03 <@SkyDog_> There is a 'robotic' backup system called drobo. http://www.drobo.com
09:04 <@SkyDog_> It's a neat little device, but the only supported filesystems are hfs, fat32 and NTFS.
09:04 <@SkyDog_> I would like to work with it with FreeBSD.
09:04 <@brimstone> ah, strages mentioned drobo night before last
09:05 <@SkyDog_> NTFS isn't supported well under FBsd.
09:05 <@SkyDog_> I was looking to see if I could get FreeBSD to work with HFS, and be able to test it.
09:05 <@SkyDog_> I read pretty much every forum post I could find about the device, and I am ready to get one in here to look at.
09:06 <@brimstone> can you make a filesystem image and put it on fat32 or something?
09:06 <@brimstone> or tarballs
09:06 <@SkyDog_> Well, one of the uses here is for storing video. There is a 4gig filesize limit with Fat32.
09:07 <@brimstone> ah
09:07 <@SkyDog_> So, given that limitation, I would have to use NTFS, which is sketchy even is Linux, or HFS.
09:08 <@brimstone> i need to use ntfs-3g hard so i can say first hand how good it really is
09:08 <@SkyDog_> Now, I can access it like a regular USB drive, and format it from the FreeBSd box, but the way it's built, it monitors how the files are put down, and can automatically move things around, etc.
09:09 <@SkyDog_> It's kind of like a self-maintaining/rebuilding RAID, but it's intelligent enough to know what is going on, etc.
09:09 <@brimstone> that's cool
09:10 <@SkyDog_> there's a patent pending on the technology, and I'd like to beat one up to see what it can do.
09:10 <@SkyDog_> It's only got a USB 2.0 connection, but still, I could attach one or more to this server in my office and possibly get away with it.
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09:22 <@critch> http://pics.livejournal.com/sean_kennedy/pic/0002psqs
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09:26 <@SkyDog_> Morning Mudflap!
09:26 <@SkyDog_> MudFlap: http://129.59.214.182:8080/wilpig.mov
09:26 <@SkyDog_> This should start your day with a chuckle.
09:27 <@MudFlap> Morning.
09:29 < ware> anyone have a toolkit documented / brainstored they use on windows servers? ive gotta work with a coworker on getting one to rollout to all our customers servers to have some sort of standard folder of tools
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09:30 <@SkyDog_> Folder of tools for what?
09:30 <@someninjamaster> morning all
09:30 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.wades.web.st/Video/atlantis_landing_comm.wmv SFW
09:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Watch that full screen
09:31 <@brimstone> wow, meta packages are so handy
09:31 <@seeblind> Morning everybody
09:31 < ware> SkyDog_: like sysinternals suite
09:31 <@SkyDog_> Morning seeblind.
09:31 <@seeblind> w00f! w00f!
09:31 <@SkyDog_> ware: I have alot of stuff I carry on my keyfob USB drive. You mean stuff like that?
09:31 <@SkyDog_> W00f!
09:31 <@SkyDog_> Watching video from DefCon.
09:32 <@Corydon76-dig> In 6 minutes, they go from having a black horizon to being on the ground
09:33 <@SkyDog_> ware: When I was at NSG, we all got 2 Gig USB drives to carry. We got a bunch of stuff together to use, and kinda standardized.
09:33 < ware> yeah
09:33 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm.
09:33 <@SkyDog_> When you need all of this?
09:33 < ware> but i want to have a standard kit and package it so we can roll this out remotely
09:34 < ware> because 80% of my work is remote
09:34 < ware> i wanted to present it to the bossman early next week
09:34 <@SkyDog_> True.
09:34 * brimstone starts the doomsday clock
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09:38 <@SkyDog_> ware: When you say 80% is remote, you mean work done on servers?
09:39 < ware> depends, its pretty balanced between working on servers and working on workstations
09:39 < ware> 80% of the time i am not on site tho and have to remote to the server and from there to the workstation
09:40 * brimstone double clicks on ware
09:40 * ware formats brimstone's hdd
09:41 <@SkyDog_> Hmm. Ok.
09:43 * Corydon76-dig reformats ware's ass
09:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Sometimes, with so many viruses, the only thing left to do is reformat...
09:46 <@someninjamaster> uh oh the house says the internet is a terrost threat
09:46 <@Dagmar> Awesome.
09:46 <@Dagmar> Emma Clarke saying "You filthy pervert"
09:46 <@SkyDog_> Shhh! Don't tell everyone.
09:46 * someninjamaster waits for the internet to be bombed
09:47 <@Dagmar> She got into a little trouble for this, but it's awesome: http://www.emmaclarke.com/voiceover-demos/london-underground
09:48 <@Dagmar> Oh wait
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09:49 <@Dagmar> http://www.welcometowallyworld.com/frontpage/2007/11/27/the-voice-of-the-london-underground.html
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09:53 <@someninjamaster> when you are told that a room has to be painted with 3 coats of paint by thursday morning what time do you start?
09:53 <@GodFix> Noon Wed
09:53 <@SkyDog_> Yesterday.
09:54 <@someninjamaster> apparently my employees are going with godfixs plan
09:54 <@SkyDog_> Is that a bad thing?
09:54 <@SkyDog_> You need time for the coats to dry properly.
09:54 <@someninjamaster> yeah
09:54 <@someninjamaster> i know
09:54 <@GodFix> do you already have the paint and supplies or do you have to go get it?
09:55 <@someninjamaster> i got an email saying they just got started
09:55 <@GodFix> ah
09:55 <@SkyDog_> Ouch.
09:55 <@GodFix> do they plan on staying the night?
09:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Does it need to be dry on Thursday morning?
09:55 <@someninjamaster> yeah
09:55 <@someninjamaster> so we can mount the shelving units
09:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Then you have a big problem
09:55 <@GodFix> they'd better buy some fans
09:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Only the first coat can be dry between now and then
09:56 <@someninjamaster> yeah
09:56 <@GodFix> you might have time to do a 2nd coat, if they come back in at midnight
09:56 <@someninjamaster> i cranked the gas heater in the room up to about 90
09:57 <@someninjamaster> so at least they will be nice and warm in there
09:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Heat isn't the issue; it's aeration
09:57 <@GodFix> open windows, get some fans
09:57 <@someninjamaster> i want it to be hot as hell in there
09:57 <@SkyDog_> Well, here's what I used to do, to paint an apartment. I'd chill it down, and the paint, so that it would be thicker.
09:57 <@SkyDog_> Then I'd put on a nice heavy coat, making sure it was smooth.
09:58 <@SkyDog_> Then, you could turn off the A/C after a bit, and let it heat up again.
09:58 <@someninjamaster> im tempted to tell them just to do 2 coats
09:58 <@SkyDog_> I could do an apartment in one coat in a day.
09:58 <@someninjamaster> since we are doing this instead of adding more lights
09:58 <@SkyDog_> WHAT?
09:59 <@someninjamaster> the walls are cinder block right now
09:59 <@GodFix> that makes since
09:59 <@GodFix> paint creates light
09:59 <@GodFix> duh
09:59 <@SkyDog_> instead of adding more lights, they are painting? Is that a budgetary thing, or just insanity.
09:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Also get cans of dessicant
09:59 <@someninjamaster> and the floors matt concrete
09:59 <@someninjamaster> so we are getting no reflected light
10:00 <@GodFix> mirrors?
10:00 <@someninjamaster> its a warehouse
10:00 <@GodFix> skylights?
10:00 < ware> mirrors!
10:00 < ware> and poles AND lights!
10:00 < ware> and music... :D
10:00 <@someninjamaster> its a 20 by 20 room
10:01 <@GodFix> and a disco ball?
10:01 < ware> yes! and midgets and appliances
10:01 <@GodFix> that's smaller than the room I'm in right now
10:01 < ware> and sdodson. so he can pay for the dances
10:01 <@someninjamaster> with 3 20' sections of lights
10:01 <@GodFix> how bright do they need it?
10:01 <@someninjamaster> just slightly brighter
10:02 <@GodFix> diff style bulbs?
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10:15 <@someninjamaster> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g25/someninjamaster/DSC00406.jpg
10:15 <@someninjamaster> this is the room we are moving the stuff out of
10:15 <@someninjamaster> but it looks alot like the room we are painting
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10:22 <@dc0de> someninjamaster that looks .... uhh, like a mess?
10:27 < ware> yall seen http://aquaria.za.net/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,select/id,11/
10:27 < ware> ~minilink
10:27 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/za.net/74XIJ
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10:50 <@someninjamaster> dc0de: it is
10:50 <@someninjamaster> thats why we are moving it
10:51 <@someninjamaster> the previous warehouse manager lacked
10:51 <@someninjamaster> how should i put this
10:51 <@someninjamaster> logic
10:51 <@someninjamaster> we used to have shelves on each side and then one in the center
10:52 <@someninjamaster> he had the bright idea to get rid of the center shelf
10:52 <@someninjamaster> and move the stuff to the other shelves
10:54 <@dc0de> ware that's for XP... I use CompViz... on Linux.
10:54 <@dc0de> someninjamaster yeah... I see that... now... :S
10:54 < ware> i just tried it and its shit
10:54 <@someninjamaster> the good news is that room is going to be turned into my office
10:54 <@dc0de> that's a huge office
10:55 <@someninjamaster> eh
10:55 <@someninjamaster> its 8' by 20'
10:55 <@someninjamaster> and going to be a server room
10:55 <@dc0de> damn, a small bowling ally
10:55 <@dc0de> alley... even
10:56 <@someninjamaster> yeah
10:58 <@someninjamaster> brb
10:58 <@someninjamaster> swaping machines
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10:59 <@Dagmar> Hmm... where is buu's perl leetness when you need it
11:00 <@critch> need help?
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11:07 < ware> anyone do php/mysql work and want a project
11:08 <@Neoteric> ware: depends
11:08 <@Neoteric> ware: does it "pay"
11:08 <@Neoteric> or does it "get my pussy"
11:08 <@Neoteric> or does it "got milk"
11:08 < ware> it can haz milk
11:10 <@Dagmar> critch: Sort of. There's a parser weirdness I'm not familiar with
11:10 <@Dagmar> The deal is that I've got a somewhat deeply nested hash of hashes that I'm trying to do a keys on, and it's balking
11:11 <@Dagmar> $tmp = $STUFF->{required}->{bins}; and then keys %$tmp works like one would expect it to
11:11 <@Dagmar> keys %$STUFF->{required}->{bins} gives me a bunch of lip
11:11 <@Dagmar> I've forgotten something special I'm supposed to do, I'm sure
11:12 <@critch> keys %($STUFF->{required}->{bins})
11:20 <@critch> Dagmar: did that help you?
11:20 <@Dagmar> parens!
11:20 <@Dagmar> aha! Yes
11:20 <@Dagmar> Thanks
11:21 <@Dagmar> I forgot how to force it to deal with the structure properly... thanks!
11:21 <@critch> np, that is always my first step, remove the amiguity of what you are applying an opperator to.
11:22 <@Dagmar> Ack
11:22 <@critch> is it lunch yet?
11:22 <@Dagmar> foreach $item (keys %($STUFF->{required}->{bins})) is still not right. *sigh*
11:23 <@Dagmar> "Warning: Use of "keys" without parentheses is ambiguous at ./dldepscan"
11:23 <@critch> thats easy, foreach $item (keys(%($STUFF->{required}->{bins})))
11:23 <@critch> is that starting to look like lisp?
11:23 <@Dagmar> Yech. Hopeuflly that will work
11:25 <@Dagmar> Bleh. Still didn't work. I begin to wonder about my parser at this point
11:26 <@Dagmar> I know they've changed at least a few things about the way perl behaves since I last wrote something with a complex structure
11:26 <@critch> yeah, if the keys command works outside of the foreach line, something is od..
11:27 <@Dagmar> I used to vivify references inside a sub and return them and they'd be fine all over
11:27 <@Dagmar> Now once that ref goes into another sub as an argument, it gets blown away, so that's new
11:30 <@Dagmar> Data::Dumper is very helpful, but it only gets one so far
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11:43 <@Dagmar> Actually, digging around elsewhere I found a howto site that says my first inclination of using keys %{$rHoH->{ $k1 }} was correct
11:44 <@Dagmar> Okay. now I know God hates me.
11:44 <@Dagmar> Maybe I left out a } the last time or something. pfft
11:44 <@nachoguy> http://www.jimgoad.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1145080154;start=29#29 NSFW, I guess
11:45 <@nachoguy> a bit more bizzarre than anything else
11:45 <@dc0de> ~minilink
11:45 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/jimgoad.net/HZe1Y.cgi
11:45 <@Dagmar> I think maybe I've abused vim's syntax highlighter too much today
11:45 <@dc0de> 403, forbidden
11:46 <@dc0de> so, nachoguy it's now safe for work... :P
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11:51 <@nachoguy> strange
11:52 <@nachoguy> try this link: http://www.jimgoad.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1145080154;start=21#21 and scroll down to the bottom post
11:52 <@nachoguy> it's something my boss sent me, which is odd, all by itself
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12:08 <@Dagmar> Aleksey: yes.
12:16 <@nachoguy> http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/1127biz-godaddy1128-ON.html
12:35 <@nachoguy> damn
12:35 <@nachoguy> I found what is supposed to be a fork bomb in bash, but it doesn't run
12:36 <@nachoguy> it's neat looking too
12:37 <@nachoguy> :(){:|:&};:
12:52 <@nachoguy> heh, got it to work, it's damn effective
12:53 < ware> ?
12:54 < ware> the :(){:|:&};: doesnt work for me
12:56 <@nachoguy> ware, you want to crash a box? replace the : with x
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12:56 <@nachoguy> for some reason the colons didn't work as I thought
12:57 < ware> so x(){x|x&};x
12:57 <@nachoguy> yep, and if that doesn't work, there may be a spacing issue
12:58 < ware> x() { x|x&};x
12:58 < ware> worked lol
12:58 <@nachoguy> heh
12:58 < ware> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
12:58 < ware> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
12:58 < ware> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
12:58 < ware> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
12:58 <@nachoguy> heh, you got responses?
12:59 < ware> it tried to put it in the bg
12:59 < ware> then repeats that msg
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12:59 <@nachoguy> the box I was on just stopped responding
12:59 < ware> bsd 6.2
13:02 <@Dolemite> *brUp*
13:03 <@Dolemite> Well my chili placed second in our little chili cook-off. The winner used steak in his, so it's pretty damn hard to beat that.
13:03 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: no it ain't use hazel's recipe
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13:07 < ware> use cartmans recipe
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13:07 < ware> add a little creme of scott tennerman mom and dad
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13:15 <@SkyDog_> Dolemite: Damn man. We're not getting near you today.
13:18 <@Dolemite> Heh, at least I've got a facility with good airflow
13:18 <@Dolemite> The poor system admins upstairs are trapped in a confined area
13:18 <@Dolemite> and some of them have mid-year reviews scheduled
13:18 <@Dolemite> lol
13:19 <@SkyDog_> Ouch.
13:26 <@dc0de> well, I'm off to Columbus GA... wheee... ttfn.
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13:30 <@MudFlap> One of the partners here apologized for accessing www.SandM.com NSFW
13:30 <@MudFlap> Said he meant to go to 5andM.com just down the street. SFW
13:32 <@tzanger> http://www.cracked.com/article_15699_9-most-badass-bible-verses.html
13:32 <@tzanger> heh
13:33 <@SkyDog_> MudFlap: Heh. Do you have content filtering running?
13:33 <@SkyDog_> Or was he just sorry at what he saw on the page?
13:34 <@MudFlap> No filtering, he just wanted to let me know what happened before I discovered it.
13:34 <@SkyDog_> heh. I think I would have aologized *after* you came and said something to me.
13:42 < ware> t: 3,4,5] <«
13:42 < ware> >#sysadmins:
13:42 < ware> err
13:42 < ware> This verse is particularly explicit, though, informing us that Egyptians are hung like farmyard animals, and can ejaculate in quantities to rival the annual flooding of the Nile.
13:42 < ware> ftw
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13:48 <@SkyDog_> http://129.59.214.182:8080/ <---New video of Dc0de in vegas, PSFW
13:48 <@SkyDog_> pseudo safe for work.
13:48 <@GodFix> he's topless, right?
13:48 <@SkyDog_> Not quite.
13:48 <@SkyDog_> Back ina few.
13:49 <@Mirage> yeah, but is it safe for our eyes/sanity?
13:49 <@Dagmar> HAH
13:49 <@Dagmar> Man I pissed those LJ losers off
13:49 <@Dagmar> I posted a thing about the ICE hotline, and blocked comments pending moderation.
13:49 <@Dagmar> Man those trolls get furious when they can't flame people.
13:50 <@Dagmar> *I* of all people, was accused of engaging in censorship. LOL
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14:10 <@nachoguy> ICE?
14:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Immigration and customs enforcement
14:11 <@Dagmar> Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.
14:11 <@Dagmar> FedMex.
14:11 <+coil> ups
14:12 <@Dagmar> "When you absolutely, positively, have to ship some illegals back home, overnight."
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14:14 <@Shadow_Phone> nice
14:14 <@Shadow_Phone> i want that on a tshirt
14:14 <+coil> omfg
14:14 <+coil> why does every fucking one say "nice" now
14:15 <@Dagmar> It beats "OMFGl33tN3ZZ!"
14:15 <@Shadow_Phone> heh
14:57 <@SkyDog_> Two perks of the job so far... Vandy candy, and cold weather/skirts and boots.
14:57 <@Dolemite> true dat
14:57 <@Dolemite> http://www.cracked.com/article_15683_10-creepiest-craigslist-casual-encounters.html
14:57 <@Dolemite> ~minilink
14:57 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/cracked.com/JKXT2.html
14:58 <@Dolemite> Some funny afternoon reading
15:02 <@SkyDog_> Dolemite: Coming down to the hill building in a bit to talk to the accre guys.
15:02 <@brimstone> vandy candy?
15:03 <@rhia> brimstone: collegiate females
15:03 <@brimstone> ah
15:03 <@brimstone> i'm thinking m&ms and skittles
15:04 <@ladymerlin> heh brom so did i
15:04 <@ladymerlin> brim
15:04 <@brimstone> but that's probably a similie for something like breasts and anal sex
15:04 <+coil> brimstone: get your mind out of the gutter
15:10 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: even guys can be Vandy candy
15:10 <@Dagmar> You guys would know what I meant if I said someone was quibbly about something, right?
15:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: you mean quibbling?
15:11 <@Dagmar> Some crazed loon put a definition in Wiktionary of " 1. Perineum; region between anus and genitalia.
15:12 <@Dagmar> I just used the word in a post to some forum before thinking I should check slang for i18n safeness
15:12 <@Corydon76-dig> aka the "taint"
15:12 <@Dagmar> That's going to look just WEIRD to anyone who has to look it up with Google.
15:12 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: understood, but in the stated context, I doubt that's what SkyDog_ was meaning ;)
15:13 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: eyecandy, at any rate
15:18 < wsmith> been awhile since I've used mysql. evaluating it for a new project. forgot how different mysql's syntax was from "corporate" rdbms's
15:19 <@Corydon76-dig> wsmith: it is?
15:19 <@nachoguy> wsmith, going bleeding edge mysql 6?
15:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, I'm still running 3.23 on one machine
15:20 <@Dagmar> Everyone loves Irrational Database Schemas!
15:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: eh?
15:21 <@Dagmar> What you get for running a bleeding edge version of a DB server
15:21 <@Dagmar> ...as in, not rational behaviour
15:21 <@Corydon76-dig> I was wondering why you were talking about the schema...
15:22 <@Dagmar> It's when you have to write code that is OCD about checking values multiple times to make sure you didn't just get some random stuff from an unflushed buffer or simultaneous write condition
15:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Or worse, an interrupted read that is completed with a completely different data set
15:23 <@Dagmar> ...or when other wankers are storing their prescription data in your payment transaction tables/
15:24 <@Dagmar> You definitely have the idea
15:28 <@timoguin> http://nashville.craigslist.org/msg/492212865.html
15:28 <@timoguin> buy plz
15:28 <@Dagmar> If it doesn't move quickly, print it and post it at Bongo Java
15:29 <@Dagmar> The number of music professionals and students who go through there is insane
15:31 <@tzanger> hahahahha
15:32 <@tzanger> slashdot: us house says internet is terrorist threat... from the "so-is-my-chilli dept."
15:32 <@timoguin> Dagmar: good idea
15:32 <@timoguin> i put it up mid-october
15:32 <@timoguin> but i didn't have any pictures with it.
15:32 <@brimstone> tzanger, is it soccer or football up there?
15:32 <@timoguin> so i just reposted it.
15:33 <@tzanger> brimstone: soccer
15:33 <@tzanger> football for us is the same sport as for the americans, except we have an extra down and a longer field
15:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Err, longer field?
15:34 <@Dagmar> tzanger: CmdrTaco went above and beyond there
15:35 <@Corydon76-dig> I thought Canadian football was about half the length
15:35 <@tzanger> Dagmar: yeah I love it
15:35 <@timoguin> aren't there less players on the field too?
15:35 <@tzanger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_football
15:35 <@timoguin> 13?
15:35 <@tzanger> there's all the gory details
15:35 <@brimstone> tzanger, ah, gotcha
15:36 <@brimstone> so, "football" is north american, not just american
15:36 <@brimstone> eh?
15:36 <@tzanger> canadian football has 12 guys per team whereas american is 11
15:37 <@timoguin> that wiki says the opposite.
15:37 <@nachoguy> canadian football has more guys on the field, a longer field, shorter penii, and colder weather
15:37 <@Dagmar> But they're smaller, because they're not juiced, so it's like having 11 really big guys
15:37 <@nachoguy> #3 and #4 might be related
15:38 <@tzanger> fucking satellite providers fucking with my stream
15:41 <@Evilpig> wtf? I am having to rationalize to my manager that a customer requires me to come put in a replacement hotswap power supply. Triple redundant power supply and one failed so I pulled it and ordered another. All the dipshit customer has to do is slide the new one in the empty hole and they want me to drive 2 hours to do that
15:43 <@GodFix> Evilpig: Job Security
15:44 <@eryc> you have something with 3 power supplies?
15:44 <@tzanger> Evilpig: it's part of the job
15:44 <@tzanger> charge him handsomely for it
15:44 <@Evilpig> eryc: you don't?
15:44 <@tzanger> and be very pleasant with him when you show up
15:44 <@GodFix> we have 3 servers with 3 psu
15:44 <@eryc> nope
15:44 <@eryc> why?
15:44 <@Evilpig> it isn't part of the job. it's fucking stupid. things are made to be hotswap and require no technical ability for a reason
15:44 <@eryc> that seems like wasted space and heat
15:45 <@Evilpig> eryc: same space as a normal power supply. maybe a bit deeper. three PSUs in one. three power cords. one goes out everything stays up
15:45 <@GodFix> 3x700W psu to drive 4 dual core AMD CPU and 12 SATA drives. it's for redundancy
15:45 <@eryc> oh right
15:45 <@eryc> its the warm fuzzies you get with 3 vs 2
15:46 <@eryc> same thing happens with clustered systems
15:46 <@eryc> and hot spares
15:46 <@Evilpig> the point is. little red switch, push with thumb, power supply slides out. replace empty hole with new one
15:47 <@GodFix> in a high availability aituation, hotswap and redunancy are critical
15:47 * eryc stops caring
15:47 <@GodFix> it's not your job, so you wouldn't care
15:48 <@eryc> yea my job is more difficult
15:48 * eryc goes back to not caring
15:49 <@Evilpig> we can swap jobs sometime if you think yours is easier
15:50 <@Evilpig> err think mine is easier
15:54 <@eryc> i never said i didn't like my job
15:55 <@eryc> just that my major problem of the day is far from fretting about a 2hour commute
15:56 <@eryc> and if i did have to replace a power supply, i'd have someone else do it
15:58 <@Evilpig> the drive will be the highlight of my day. that is 2 hours of computer problem free bliss. the hell will begin when the teachers find out I am in the building. and all those problems just suddenly appear cause they all hate the tech coordinator and don't like dealing with her. and the other tech my company sends there is a dumbass so they wait until that special day where he has fucked up enough that warrnts my being sent
15:58 <@tzanger> Evilpig: trade your help for sexual favours,there have to be cute coeds there
15:59 <@Corydon76-dig> lol
16:04 <@eryc> when you factor in academia your job becomes far more demanding and mine is definitely lacking in that type of stress
16:05 <@eryc> i wouldn't want to deal with helpdesk issues
16:05 <@eryc> but then they aren't necessarily complex as they are repetitive
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16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> http://fukung.net/v/2453/127283RwAV.jpg SFW
16:12 <+coil> SFFFW
16:12 <@GodFix> repeat after me: eye yam sofa king we tar did
16:13 <@critch> yes the sofa king is retarded. I hate those commercials
16:14 * coil SLAPS GodFix AROUND A BIT WITH ATHF
16:19 * GodFix gives coil a pearl necklace
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> GodFix: you do realize that was a bad choice, right?
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> GodFix: now he'll expect it IRL at next PN
16:21 <@GodFix> it'll take a bottle of tequila IRL
16:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Is that all?
16:23 <@GodFix> yeah, I'm cheap
16:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Hmmm, bottle of tequila to blow GodFix. Not bad.
16:27 <@nachoguy> godfix, that's an awesome box
16:28 <@GodFix> really now?
16:28 <@nachoguy> 3x700W psu to drive 4 dual core AMD CPU and 12 SATA drives.
16:28 <@nachoguy> that? yeah, that sounds pretty awesome to me
16:29 <@GodFix> oh yeah. here's a link to them... http://pro.mpccorp.com/store/configurator.asp?config=529664520
16:30 <@Mirage> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php
16:32 <@critch> GodFix: a little pricey, and supermicro has some better cases
16:34 <@nachoguy> supermicro+lsi == super awesome NAS
16:35 <@critch> nachoguy: look into the coraid options, we have one thats 3u and holds 15 sata drives
16:36 <@critch> GodFix: config this one up, http://www.8anet.com/custserv_content.ihtml?pid=2442&lastcatid=190&step=4
16:37 <@eryc> this box is better: http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4500/specs.xml
16:37 <@eryc> and look, TWO power supplies OMG!
16:38 <@critch> yes and look at the power requirements
16:38 <@critch> pricetag sucks too
16:41 <@nachoguy> the coraid stuff always looked interesting, but pricy and (from what I gathered from talking to people that had the units (slow and occasionally flaky)
16:41 <@nachoguy> )
16:42 <@nachoguy> we got two supermicro boxes, LSI raid controllers, and 7 tb of storage (each) for something like $13k, iirc
16:42 <@critch> I haven't seen it be slow. And the only flaky behaviour I noticed, the old firmware didn't recognize the last drive bay. We upgraded and now it is fine.
16:42 <@nachoguy> so you got the stuff?
16:42 < remoford> nlug b&p tonight folks
16:42 <@critch> Yes, I have a coraid in production
16:42 < remoford> 6:30
16:43 <@critch> not me, bike night
16:43 < remoford> anyone feel like showing up?
16:43 <@nachoguy> do you do much work with it or, is it one of those "I set it up, it runs, I haven't touched it" kind of things?
16:43 <@nachoguy> and what do you use it for? file store, database, ghetto SAN?
16:43 <@critch> it is getting increasingly more work sent to it right now. Next project will obsolete a current fileserver and move it onto the coraid
16:44 <@critch> big ass filestore, 2.4tb, plus swapped from using tape for backups to harddrives located in the coraid
16:45 <@brimstone> i wish our local lug actually held meetings
16:46 <@nachoguy> what kind of throughput do you get? I asked the coraid guys once, and they never bothered to answer me
16:46 <@critch> Well, they have information on their website with bonnie and a few other apps.
16:46 * wsmith hates Oracle
16:47 <@nachoguy> they have 10 GigE now!? well, that'll make a bit of a difference
16:47 <@nachoguy> wsmith, you've always hated Oracle
16:47 < wsmith> woohoo found a new bug today. I have officially found more bugs in Oracle than in my own code.
16:47 <@nachoguy> Oracle should pay you
16:47 < remoford> brimstone: well, drive up here to nashville real quick
16:47 < wsmith> Acxiom has completely banned 10gr1 and 11gr1
16:48 <@brimstone> remoford, i'd have to leave now for it, and i'm still in class for another 30min :(
16:48 <@critch> nachoguy: I'm running on just gigE. A full postgres dump of our database, compressed and dropped from the DB server to the harddrive in the coraid has the following stats
16:48 <@critch> nachoguy: SD Bytes Written: 1,998,867,656 (1.998 GB) Rate: 6822.1 KB/s
16:49 <@nachoguy> that's pretty good
16:50 <@critch> the bigger filesystem backup(differential) from a old 600mhz filserver over 100mbit connection was SD Bytes Written: 478,614,157 (478.6 MB) Rate: 695.3 KB/s
16:50 <@critch> Ohh, and all these backups also traverse vmware server as our backup server is virtualised
16:50 < wsmith> nachoguy I'm doing a comparision of mysql vs postgres for our data warehouse. so far, postgres is winning.
16:51 < wsmith> postgres size: 80g, mysql: 130gb and growing. postgres load time: 2 hours, mysql: 4
16:51 <@tzanger> heh
16:51 <@tzanger> mysql is teh suck :-(
16:51 <@nachoguy> wsmith, I'm sure it is, becuase you haven't factored in replication
16:51 < wsmith> nachoguy, it's a data warehouse. why would I replicate?
16:51 <@tzanger> nachoguy: you can't replicate mysql, it just copies all the fucking crashiness over
16:52 <@tzanger> I'm supremely disappointed with mysql
16:52 <@tzanger> if you want a light db, use sqlite. if you want a real oss db, use postgres. I just cannot recommend mysql for anything at all
16:52 <@nachoguy> tzanger, you can be disappointed with mysql, but it works, postgres on the other hand, it works ok as a single host, but if you want to replicate, think again
16:53 <@nachoguy> wsmith, yeah, I forgot, no need for two copies for data whorehousing =>
16:53 <@tzanger> nachoguy: there are several postgres replication strategies
16:53 <@tzanger> I haven't had mysql work
16:53 <@nachoguy> tzanger, and which one have you implemented successfully?
16:53 <@tzanger> mythtv uses it and it eats itself on a semiregular basis
16:53 <@tzanger> freepbx? don't even get me started
16:53 < wsmith> slashdot uses mysql and it doesn't
16:53 <@tzanger> PHP+MySql = newbieism
16:53 <@nachoguy> mythtv eats itself anyway
16:53 <@tzanger> no, mythtv doesn't die, mysql corrupts its own tables
16:54 < wsmith> nachoguy, my biggest hurdle has been porting oracle sql to mysql. and #mysql is absolutely no help at all. buncho dolts who solely subsist to cock each other
16:54 <@tzanger> myisamchk -r and -o don't fix it, but cycling through "repair table xxx" does
16:54 <@nachoguy> then you've got something wrong with your box, talk to Dagmar or Dolemite, I think you'll find they don't have the same issues
16:54 <@Corydon76-dig> The only issues I've had with MythTV are struggling with the @%$%#$ ivtv drivers
16:54 <@tzanger> the only reason slashdot remains up is because they do some clever static page caching and have mysql replicated out the wazoo
16:54 <@tzanger> yes ivtv drivers were nasty
16:55 <@tzanger> mysql seems to uncleanly shutdown with a shutdown -r, which is broken no matter how you look at it
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16:55 <@nachoguy> tzanger, yes, they have mysql replicating becasue it can
16:55 <@tzanger> I did have postgres replicating on one application (the only one I ever needed it to) but it was not a standard replication
16:55 <@tzanger> it was basically a bunch of edge nodes feeding data into a central server
16:56 <@tzanger> and then as they needed, pulling data from that central server or each other
16:56 <@nachoguy> I've read through a number of the postgres replication "strategies" they either don't work period, or they don't work under anything more than a minimal load
16:56 < wsmith> "read through" not "tested out"
16:57 <@nachoguy> from what I hear, "slony" is the closest thing they've got to something that works, and iirc, it loads data slower than realtime, so the redo logs queue up
16:57 <@tzanger> don't even get me started on mysql's ... uhm... interesting views of interpreting data
16:57 <@tzanger> which most mysql advocates claim are old and should be owrked around in the application anyway, but many which seem to still be present in 5.x
16:57 < wsmith> anyways, nachoguy, don't you use postgres in house?
16:57 <@nachoguy> I'm not the DBA, but the DBA has attempted to implement these things. Ijust provide an extra set of eyes reading docs on occasion
16:57 <@nachoguy> wsmith, yeah, it blows
16:58 <@nachoguy> it scales excrementally
16:58 <@tzanger> hahahahahahahha
16:58 <@tzanger> 17:58 <@nachoguy> it scales excrementally
16:58 <@tzanger> I love it
16:58 <@tzanger> that is AWESOME
16:58 < wsmith> from what I'm seeing. mysql is having the problems keeping up.
16:59 <@nachoguy> yeah, I've been using it around the office for like 9-10 months, people around here picked it up
16:59 < wsmith> I'm going to try ingres and maxdb for s&g [since I have the playground]
16:59 <@tzanger> I've got some huge (60G and one 280G) postgres dbs ... they just don't die, nor do they slow down
16:59 <@nachoguy> wsmith, if you're soley doing writes, and reads, no updates, deletes or replication, postgres may work for you
17:00 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: what's wrong with updates in postgres?
17:00 < wsmith> I'm trying to be as "objective" as possible. Giving all rdbmss their fair share.
17:00 <@tzanger> nachoguy: why no updates or deletes? MVCC doesn't slow the system down at all
17:00 <@nachoguy> deleting rows on postgres is dicey at best. it tags rows to be deleted and waits for the "vaccuum" process to come around and clean them out
17:00 < wsmith> QUITIN TIME!
17:00 <@Corydon76-dig> And deletes used to be worse, but vacuuming now happens automagically
17:01 <@tzanger> nachoguy: that's old hat, you don't use vacuum anymore
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17:01 <@nachoguy> tzanger, is that a new thing?
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17:01 <@tzanger> nachoguy: since 8.x I believe
17:01 <@Corydon76-dig> postgres started out really slow, but around the release of pg6, the developers finally realized that people want a database that runs quickly
17:02 <@tzanger> yes old pg was dog-ass slow
17:02 <@tzanger> it was consistently so, though :-)
17:02 <@tzanger> but yes I didn't see speed increases until about 6.5 I think
17:02 <@nachoguy> Corydon, it does happen automagically, but it will occasionally hang and die and wait for ht e next one to get kicked off, or the first one won't finish before the second one starts
17:02 <@nachoguy> we're running 8.x, I don't know what the exact version is though
17:03 <@Corydon76-dig> This was why mysql had such a large, loyal following. It was majorly fast and it had enough logging and replication that an occasional problem could be recovered
17:03 <@tzanger> mysql was *only* fast in low ocncurrent count cases
17:03 <@nachoguy> well, we even hired a postgres developer, and at times the system is still shaky
17:03 <@tzanger> it hopefully has changed in that regard
17:04 <@tzanger> but it dragged ass if you threw more than a few dozen clients at it doing more than simple selects
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17:04 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: mysql was and still is the primary online database of booksamillion.com, which is the 3rd largest online bookseller in the US
17:04 <@tzanger> how many load balanced servers do they have to be able to make it work?
17:04 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: and it ran just fine not only with SELECTs, but also with INSERTs and UPDATEs
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: originally, 1
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> running on Sun Solaris
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Now, it's something like 4 running on Linux
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, Solaris on SPARC gave that much greater performance
17:05 <@nachoguy> tzanger, does it really matter? the fact that you can have replicated read only nodes for redundancy and load bancing is a feature
17:06 <@tzanger> I don't like spending more htan I need on hardware... I realize that that isn't something that most people give a shit about though
17:06 <@tzanger> (not meant in a cynical way, I am just extremely hardware-frugal)
17:07 <@nachoguy> which is why it bugs me that we have a HUGE db server for postgres as opposed to a couple of dell 1u servers clustered (data is stored on a SAN, so internal storage needs are minimal)
17:07 <@nachoguy> I'm not really trying to pick a fight with that last one, just venting
17:08 <@tzanger> heh
17:08 <@nachoguy> seriously, quad-quad with 32 gig of ram? overkill
17:08 <@tzanger> indeed
17:08 <@nachoguy> if the box dies, we've got a second one at our outer datacenter an hour car ride away
17:09 <@tzanger> did you do any tweaking to the way it did its i/o and logging? I forget if postgres ever set fsync after every i/o as default or not
17:09 <@nachoguy> with a cluster, a read node dies, no biggie. The master dies, take 5 minutes and promote a slave node
17:10 <@nachoguy> Like I said, we hired one of the postgres developers, so I'm sure he's tweaked everything he can
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17:10 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: bamm had two more Solaris machines, not for load balancing, but for disaster recovery
17:11 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: larry, curley, and moe, and in the time I was there, moe stayed as the only active db server
17:11 <@Corydon76-dig> oh, and shemp was at the offsite disaster recovery location
17:12 <@Corydon76-dig> shemp was only ever supposed to be used if Herndon, VA suffered a massive terrorist attack and the primary data center became inaccessible
17:15 <@strages> so like never...
17:15 <@Corydon76-dig> There were only two times that we suffered some major problems with MySQL. Once, the VP tripped over moe's power cord in the data center
17:15 <@Corydon76-dig> and second, one of our programmers typed an UPDATE with no WHERE clause on the production server
17:16 <@Corydon76-dig> in neither case was it MySQL's fault
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17:33 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: hmm, I wonder why its performance on solaris was so much different than my x86 experience on it
17:37 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: we found that we could do approximately 4 times as many queries on Solaris as on Linux
17:37 <@tzanger> nice... how many spindles were you guys running?
17:38 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't recall, sorry
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> I can tell you a lot about the performance of moe or the disk layout on curley, since curley was later recommissioned for Informix
17:39 <@tzanger> doesn't help me, I have no experience or points of reference for anything ohter than linux
17:40 <@Corydon76-dig> It wasn't a great idea, though. Informix stinks for OLTP.
17:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Eventually, Informix was just used to build reports
17:40 <@tzanger> holy shit
17:40 <@tzanger> my blackfin user environment actually built
17:40 <@tzanger> excuse me while I whip this out
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17:46 <@tzanger> come on blackfin, boot!
17:46 <@tzanger> damn that's a big-ass kernel
17:47 <@tzanger> 18MB
17:47 <@tzanger> it's like 1.4MB if I take out the debugging symbols
18:06 <@sdodson> tzanger: what architecture?
18:07 <@tzanger> sdodson: blackfin BF537
18:08 <@sdodson> nfi what that is
18:08 <@tzanger> it's a little DSP
18:09 <@tzanger> integer-only
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18:11 <@sdodson> how's that work?
18:11 <@sdodson> I thought by their nature DSPs were almost always floating point heavy?
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18:11 <@tzanger> nope
18:11 <@tzanger> you can have dsps that are just very very good at SSE
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18:12 <@Jagobah> latest xkcd was enjoyable
18:12 <@sdodson> too many words
18:13 <@tzanger> yeah that was okay
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18:32 <@sasquatc4> sweeet seksi new laptop
18:33 <@sasquatc4> now the long process of removing all the preinstalled crap
18:37 <@sdodson> shows me!
18:39 <@sasquatc4> at least there arent alot of trial apps on here, just a bunch of useless utilities
18:40 <@I-MOD> best way is to install either a stripped version of windows or linux. not worth removing what's already there
18:45 <@sasquatc4> i dont mind it, its only a few
18:45 <@sasquatc4> now i just need to figure out if its safe to remove the restore partition, apparently i was misled in the 'rescue dvd' title, i think it only contains drivers
19:14 <@I-MOD> id' rather have a os install cd than a restore partition :/
19:16 <@sasquatc4> exactly, and i just found the link to order the restore cds
19:16 <@sasquatc4> i aint wasting my space for some shit they should have put on a 2cent disc and given me to begin with
19:24 <@dc0de> evening all
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19:32 <@Catonic> sdodson: IM me. Have question about car.
19:33 <@Catonic> ~weather 35205
19:33 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Birmingham, Alabama. It's 55 F (35 M, 12 C, 285 K). Wind to the SSE at 6Mph/9Kph.
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19:36 <@Psyiode> this debate is so frustrating
19:38 <@sdodson> Psyiode: which one?
19:38 <@Psyiode> republican youtube/cnn
19:39 <@brimstone> feet up, strong wifi, good scifi, this is the life :P
19:40 <@sdodson> good scifi? i didn't think that was possible!
19:40 <@sdodson> what are you watching?
19:41 <@brimstone> SG-1
19:43 <@dasunt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-ouQPgMmI
19:43 <@dasunt> ^- Wow, that wasn't handled well.
19:48 <@dc0de> ping.
19:54 <@dasunt> Pong.
19:59 <@brimstone> Pong.
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20:05 < ware> ping
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20:24 <@Pr0nStrGeek> sorry guys... shitty network cable...
20:24 <@Pr0nStrGeek> has been replaced now... =)
20:24 < ware> whutup Pr0nStrGeek
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20:25 <@Catonic> The company I work for is hiring a unix admin and a Windows admin.
20:25 <@Pr0nStrGeek> Catonic: is that one person or two?
20:26 <@Catonic> And to show you how serious of an organization we are, someone has hung christmas decorations in the datacenter.
20:27 <@Catonic> Pr0nStrGeek: one of each, two people.
20:27 <@Catonic> and they are renting the remaining apartments/condos in my building..
20:28 <@Catonic> condo market is colder than an eskimo's ass.
20:37 * freakn is waiting for condo market to come down for about 9 more months
20:37 <@freakn> I've been monitoring a few office to loft conversion buildings in downtown atlanta, it is intresting to see some properties fall 5K every 2 weeks.
20:38 <@freakn> Even funnier to see people on the same floor with same layouts selling for a $100,000 difference
20:40 <@freakn> I don't know if it is someone panicing and selling low, or someone who doesn't know what they are doing selling high. But the last tax thing will soon match the lower number in a few months at the steady dropping rate
20:47 <@sdodson> plz bee learning to /ignore joins,parts,quits
21:04 < ware> /ignore #se2600 JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS
21:04 <+coil> yes ware plz od
21:05 <@Catonic> very good question... is there any way to keep Linux from holding off on flushing the disk buffers?
21:05 <@brimstone> unsync?
21:05 <@Catonic> I have a system with 6.0GB of RAM and grinds to a halt when it finally hits the high water mark and flushes the memory cache.
21:06 <@Catonic> my current hack is */5 * * * * root /bin/sync
21:06 <@sdodson> leet Fedora 9 will finally get the ability to resize ntfs partitions during install.
21:06 <@SkyDog_> evening all.
21:07 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: this just in: Linux blows ass and BSD rules.
21:07 <@SkyDog_> YES!!! another convert! :)
21:08 <@sdodson> Catonic: change the i/o scheduler?
21:08 <@sdodson> get an i/o device that doesn't sux?
21:08 <@Catonic> Why in God's name would anyone... seriously, what is the point of caching up to $MEMSIZE into RAM without flushing to disk?
21:09 <@sdodson> it shouldn't do that
21:09 <@Catonic> "ZOMG it's faster!!!" ... and you lose more information if the system loses power -- only the RAID controller has battery, not the main RAM!!
21:09 <@sdodson> you can change the amount of time that it goes without syncing, by default i believe it's five seconds
21:10 <@Catonic> SkyDog_: 2.2.2-RELEASE motherfucker :-p
21:10 <@Catonic> Jesus, I don't even want to think of what happens on the prod box with 48GB of RAM and a Linux kernel..
21:11 <@sdodson> That's not normal behavior.
21:11 <@sdodson> Something is seriously bustificated
21:11 <@sdodson> It will always fill the available memory with cache, but that should in no way cause grinding.
21:12 <@Catonic> See, it's shit like this that gives Linux a black eye. Solaris sucks due to it's scheduling. You throw load at it, and it just bogs down, like a 1.6L diesel engine hauling a 5 ton truck.
21:13 <@Catonic> BSD doesn't do this stupid shit. It will cache, but it will flush. This fucking thing is queuing in ram...
21:13 * sdodson sighs and gives up
21:13 <@Catonic> Mem: 5712048k total, 5110748k used, 601300k free, 96896k buffers
21:13 <@Catonic> Swap: 17678328k total, 6836k used, 17671492k free, 4628916k cached
21:13 <@sdodson> Just because it doesn't purge cached data from ram doesn't mean that it hasn't been written to disk
21:14 <@sdodson> You should see 0 ram free in most cases.
21:14 <@Catonic> well, with 6.0GB of RAM, I'm ok with 600MB free.
21:16 <@tzanger> yeah that's not bad
21:16 <@sdodson> Why do you have a hard on for having ram "free" ?
21:16 <@Catonic> yeah, it's a beast. 90MB/s running DBAN on the hard drives.
21:17 <@Catonic> I have a hard-on for not having my machine come to a grinding halt in the middle of anything because the kernel hit a high-water mark.
21:17 <@sdodson> "lol after booting vista 1.2gigs of ram is used!!!" kthnx learn to understand oses
21:18 <@Catonic> it's very fucking annoying when the machine just becomes intolerably slow because it has four processors and >40MB/s of disk IO.
21:18 * coil pokes catatonic
21:19 <@Catonic> fuck.. this is why I don't get on IRC.
21:19 <@Catonic> because I can't shut up.
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21:19 <+coil> ?
21:20 <+coil> did i do something?
21:20 < ware> http://se2600.org/ircstats/
21:23 <@sdodson> it's like he's not listening
21:23 <+coil> 8=9===
21:23 <@sdodson> stfu coil
21:24 <+coil> make me
21:24 < ware> how about you eat a cock sandwich
21:26 <@dc0de> we needs more womens on channel...
21:26 <@sdodson> dc0de: stop scaring them off
21:26 <@dc0de> wtf did I do?
21:26 * ware puts his clothes back on... giggity giggity.
21:26 * dc0de loves womens
21:26 < ware> ~minilink http://stonermoments.org/musicplayer/xspf_player_slim.swf?playlist_url=./playlist.xspf&autoplay=true
21:26 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/stonermoments.org/zmqDt.swf
21:27 * dc0de hugs shadowmoss
21:27 <@dc0de> xkcd is good today...
21:27 <@rhia> dc0de: we is here, but drowned out by the juvenile spewing of .... take a guess (hint: multiple choices)
21:27 <+coil> ~google for xkcd
21:27 <+MxZBot> Google says xkcd is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xkcd or http://xkcd.com/
21:27 < ware> rhia: cmon, im not that bad.
21:28 <@rhia> ware: interesting that you jumped on that assumption ....
21:28 <@dc0de> rhia I just believe that there aren't enough women in technology...
21:28 <@rhia> dc0de: considering some of the hiring 'tech' managers i've dealt with, understandable
21:29 <@dc0de> rhia I know... I know...
21:29 < ware> rofl that xkcd is awesome
21:29 <@dc0de> it makes me sad
21:29 <@sasquatc4> mmm, contentness, can play unreal tournament 3 at 720p on the laptop, life is complete
21:29 <@dc0de> that xkcd makes me want to do that.
21:29 <@sdodson> rhia: lolz 3 u
21:29 <@sdodson> you know they probably did that
21:29 <@rhia> had one luv my resume (using initials and last name) - his associates met me and were all about hiring me ... then he saw me and didn't even ask one question
21:29 <@sdodson> Too bad UT3 seems to suck so far :(
21:29 < ware> sasquatc4: nice
21:30 <@sasquatc4> im just happy i can play new games again, its been a few years since i had a system that could run em
21:30 <@rhia> found out from the receptionist that he already had "his quota" of females (2 out of 25, both lowest level) and was not about to hire another one
21:30 <@sasquatc4> this was definetly a worthwhile purchase, thing is speedy as hell
21:30 <@sdodson> I figure I'll upgrade in like 6 months and start playing crysis
21:30 <@dc0de> rhia that's a lawsuite just waiting to happen.
21:30 <@rhia> of course, couldn't argue as I only heard it from the receptionist, not from him, but....
21:30 < ware> what'd you get sas?
21:31 <@dasunt> FREEZING MY ASS OFF!
21:31 <@dc0de> all of the women that I've worked with, none of them panic when systems go down, they're all calm, cool, and collected... I like that when running a business critical data center.
21:31 <@sdodson> one day I hope to grow up to be as elitest as rhia
21:31 <@dasunt> Fucking a.
21:31 <@dasunt> Seriously.
21:31 <@rhia> dc0de: yeah, but he was rather circumspect about it - his techs knew, hell, the receptionist knew, but unless one of them raised the issue, kinda hard to prove
21:31 <@sdodson> actually, rhia doesn't strike me as elitest lately but oh well,
21:31 <@dasunt> Out of the four baseboard heaters in my apartment, two of them are disconnected.
21:31 <@sdodson> dasunt: i know it's like 45F out!
21:32 <@dasunt> ~weather 55330
21:32 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Where City Meets Country, Elk River, Minnesota. It's 12.4 F (-28 M, -10 C, 263 K). Wind to the WNW at 11.0Mph/17.7Kph.
21:32 <@dc0de> rhia I agree, it just sux to see it.
21:32 <@dasunt> sdodson: Poor baby.
21:32 <@dasunt> About 12F here.
21:32 <@sdodson> dasunt: sux man
21:32 <@rhia> sdodson: your jealousy is showing again, dear
21:32 <@dasunt> Okay, this new tile floor has better offer me fellatio when it is installed, because this reduced heat and no doors sucks.
21:32 <@dc0de> ok, I know I've been overdoing the fuking.net but this is awesome http://fukung.net/v/6295/internetdickwad.jpg
21:33 <@sdodson> i r not jealous of you
21:33 * dc0de is in a hotel with the heat cranked.
21:33 <@sdodson> get crunk!
21:33 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Did you see the video I put up earlier from DefCon?
21:33 <@rhia> sdodson: oh, most assurdedly of course not, yeah, yeah
21:33 <@dc0de> SkyDog_ no, where is it?
21:34 <@dc0de> uhh, was I drunk?
21:34 <@SkyDog_> On my laptop at the moment. Hang on a sec.
21:34 <@SkyDog_> Nah. Toxic BBQ.
21:34 <@dc0de> ok, wasn't that drunk yet...
21:34 <@dc0de> I dont think...
21:34 <@dc0de> I know I wasn't driving... oh, yeah, I was drunk
21:34 <@dasunt> dc0de: I'm getting drunk.
21:35 <@dasunt> It is a false sense of warmth, but.
21:35 <@dc0de> hey, but hopefully you'll pass out and wake up with the sunshine...
21:35 <@SkyDog_> http://www.g33kshoot.com/~thearn/
21:35 < ware> dasunt: nicley put
21:35 <@SkyDog_> Check out the beeffordinner.
21:35 < ware> oh SkyDog_ do you remember a Donny Pollard
21:36 <@dc0de> oh, nos... the beef sammitch?
21:36 <@dasunt> ware: I have a reason.
21:36 <@dasunt> I think its about 55F in here.
21:36 <+coil> dasunt: im drinking rasberry vodka and rum
21:36 < ware> you apparently helped him / his company migrate from outlook 2000 to 2k3 awhile back
21:36 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, he worked at Newho, right?
21:36 < ware> *shrug* i dont remember where
21:36 <@SkyDog_> Donny?
21:36 < ware> he works with me now
21:36 < ware> yeha
21:36 <@dc0de> oh, shit... that's awesome...
21:36 <@sasquatc4> ~weather 80111
21:36 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Denver Centennial, Colorado. It's 21 F (-16 M, -6 C, 267 K). Wind to the SSE at 10Mph/17Kph.
21:36 <@dasunt> coil: We need to get wasted one day.
21:36 < ware> hes probably... almost 30
21:36 <@sasquatc4> damn
21:36 <@SkyDog_> Where did he work?
21:36 < ware> tall goofy dark hair, fucked up grill
21:36 < ware> i thought he was gay at first lol
21:36 < ware> i dont remember
21:36 <+coil> yes
21:37 <@dc0de> that was an awsome bone in ribeye... :)
21:37 <+coil> ware can come too
21:37 <+coil> and play drunken stacker
21:37 <@dc0de> now I'm hungry SkyDog_
21:37 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: i thought that was pretty funny.
21:37 <@dc0de> it was... and I was pretty wasted...
21:37 <@SkyDog_> ware: Hmmm. Name sounds familiar.
21:37 <@dc0de> take 2!
21:37 < ware> anyways he works with me now and we were talkin about you
21:37 < ware> and he said 'omg trev0r?! hez leet d00d'
21:38 <@SkyDog_> Heh. I wish I could remember the company he was with...
21:38 < ware> ..not literally but he said you knew your stuff
21:38 < ware> ill ask em tomorrow
21:38 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
21:38 <+coil> dasunt: cheers
21:38 < ware> he said lil hacker was there too and he was teaching him how to talk like bobby hill
21:38 < ware> haha
21:38 <@SkyDog_> Wait... I am starting to remember....
21:39 <@dc0de> SkyDog_ you'll have to find out who it is... and pay them their stipend... :D
21:39 <@SkyDog_> That may have been CareLine. Dunno still thinking.
21:40 <@SkyDog_> He wasn't talking like bobby, he was talking like hank, saying "Bobby".
21:41 < ware> ahhh
21:41 < ware> well hes the one that told me that joke about the little girl and the car wreck
21:41 < ware> so i knew he was going to fit in
21:41 <@dc0de> ware what joke?
21:41 <@SkyDog_> Shit. I can't think of what company he's with, but I know of who he is.
21:41 < ware> hahaha
21:41 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Jesus.
21:41 <@SkyDog_> You don't wanna know it.
21:41 < ware> so a family of 4 walks into a talent agents office
21:42 <@sasquatc4> hehe
21:42 <@dc0de> heh
21:42 <@dc0de> SkyDog_ I'm a glutton for punishent tonight...
21:42 <@SkyDog_> Fuck, he was with family and children's services. He was working with a buddy of mine!
21:42 < ware> this guy is driving down the road and sees a little girl on the side of the road so he pulls over and shes crying and screaming and freaking out
21:43 <@dc0de> SkyDog_ you finish the video with "No animals were harmed during the taping of this video"... that's awesome...
21:43 <@SkyDog_> Paul anastas was his boss.
21:43 <@SkyDog_> dc0de: Thanks!
21:43 <@SkyDog_> ware: How did my name come up?
21:43 <@sdodson> IN BED!
21:43 < ware> so he asks whats wrong and she points off the cliff and said that her parents and her little brother were down in that burning car
21:43 <@dc0de> wait, WARE works for family and children's services???
21:43 <@SkyDog_> sdodson: That always comes up...
21:44 < ware> so the guy looks over the edge and sees the car 300ft down the cliff and looks back at the crying little girl
21:44 <@sdodson> SkyDog_: ya, we heard it's normally all talk
21:44 < ware> and as he unzips his pants he says 'man today just aint your day!'
21:44 <@dc0de> ware, ok... lame
21:44 < ware> bada-tish
21:44 < ware> i was talking about se2600
21:45 < ware> and said something about phreaknic and you and dole
21:45 <@SkyDog_> ware: Ah. that's cool.
21:45 <@SkyDog_> I met with the new president of NLUG tonight.
21:46 <@dc0de> SkyDog_ who's the new president?
21:47 <@SkyDog_> Um, I forgot his name... Nice fella though.
21:47 <@SkyDog_> Wants to get NLUG going again, and get better traction.
21:47 <@dc0de> cool
21:47 < ware> rofl
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21:59 <@dc0de> fuck, now I want a steak
21:59 <@dc0de> BEEF! It's what's for dinner!
21:59 <+coil> dc0de: moo
22:00 <@dc0de> coil You're a cow?
22:00 <+coil> bahh means nooo
22:00 <@dc0de> and moo means?
22:00 <+coil> meat meee
22:00 <@rhia> moo means devilcow is near?
22:00 < ware> mmm steak...
22:01 < ware> who serves steak at 10pm on tuesdays
22:01 < ware> err fuck wednesdays.
22:01 <@dc0de> outback
22:01 <+coil> H-E_B
22:01 < ware> h-e-b?
22:02 <@dc0de> heh... Futurama on Cartoon Network
22:02 <@dc0de> w00t
22:02 <+coil> h-e-b w are
22:08 <@dasunt> nibblonians!
22:08 <@sasquatc4> oh man, ut3 at 720p on the projector
22:08 <@sasquatc4> huzzah
22:10 <@dasunt> "This time, I miss Nibbler and I feel nosy and opinionated."
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22:19 <@dasunt> "No, we're on the top." "Daylight and everything."
22:20 <@dasunt> Wow, I didn't remember the Planet of the Apes reference in this episode.
22:31 <@sdodson> dasunt: solution to cold... get drunk!
22:31 <@dasunt> sdodson: I am!
22:31 <+coil> me too sdodson just for you
22:32 <@sdodson> coil: hooray!
22:32 * coil gets all lovery duby on sdodson
22:32 <@dasunt> coil: Don't you work tomorrow?
22:32 <+coil> yes dasunt i open :(
22:32 <@dasunt> coil: Fool, I don't work until 11 pm.
22:33 <+coil> i dont work till 10:15 so stfuppercut
22:33 * dasunt snickers.
22:33 <@dasunt> coil: How drunk are you?
22:33 <+coil> not drunk enough
22:34 * SkyDog_ is watching a DVD of the wifirace awards
22:34 <+coil> i mean officer
22:34 <+coil> im not as think as i drunk i am
22:34 <@dasunt> coil: GET DDRUNKER!
22:34 <@dasunt> What are you drinking, btw?
22:34 <+coil> i told you!
22:35 * coil rasberrys dasunt
22:36 <+coil> some rasberry vodka
22:36 <+coil> then im about to switch to some rasberry rum (no i didn't buy either)
22:36 <@dasunt> not mixed?
22:37 <+coil> it taste really fucking good with dr pepper
22:37 <+coil> tastes
22:37 <@brimstone> rasberry rum and dr pepper?
22:37 <@brimstone> what ratio?
22:38 <+coil> 1:1 :P
22:38 <+coil> im hardcore like that
22:38 < ware> youre supposed to drink that straight
22:38 <+coil> what ware?
22:38 <+coil> how can you drink when you can't even speak
22:39 * coil +m #se2600
22:39 <+coil> ...
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23:00 < ware> http://store.artlebedev.com/computer_add-ons/optimus/
23:09 <@dasunt> coil: I can speak. Kinda.
23:21 <@dasunt> I R DRUNK!
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23:26 <@someninjamaster> evening all
23:29 <@sasquatc4> there any other good debian/apt based distros out there besides ubuntu
23:29 <@sasquatc4> tryin to figure out what to put on here
23:29 <@brimstone> ... debian?
23:30 <@sasquatc4> i guess, so i see from the list there arent many, ive just grown to love apt so much since the slack days, hard to move on to somethin else
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