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00:41 <@dasunt> I didn't know that.
00:46 < freakn> always drug your women, so that you can't be raped in your sleep
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00:47 <@dasunt> Yes.
00:47 <@someninjamaster> words of wisdom from freakn
00:47 <@dasunt> The Complete Lego Star Wars for the DS is pretty fun.
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00:48 <@dasunt> Supposedly, Lego Star Wars II for the DS is a buggy POS.
00:49 < scott__> zomeg the itnernet works again!!!
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00:49 <+scort> ./msg nickserv identify haxormeplz
00:49 <@dasunt> scort: Now don't clog the tubes with internet porn.
00:49 <@someninjamaster> must resist urge ;)
00:50 <@dasunt> And I hope that is a joke.
00:50 <+scort> .........
00:50 <+scort> im pretty sure one of these laptops on this network is hacked
00:50 <+scort> cuz my ip is blacklisted on a bunch of sites
00:51 <@someninjamaster> nice
00:52 <+scort> irc.nac.net (Banned: Blacklisted IP found. Visit the website openrbl.org/dnsbl?i=67.9.98.65 for info.)
00:52 <@dasunt> scort: Could be whoever had your ip before you guys.
00:52 <+scort> no it just started to happen
00:52 <@dasunt> Or it could be the unpatched Win2k box with the hostname "rapeme"
00:52 <+scort> and we had this ip for a while
00:52 <+scort> i think it's a unpatched winxp box
00:53 <@dasunt> Just FYI, your coworker had some problems with forwarding from the router, so he forwarded all ports to that machine.
00:53 <@dasunt> Hope that isn't a security risk or anything.
00:53 <+scort> no it's not
00:54 <@dasunt> Ah good.
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06:08 <@Dagmar> http://community.livejournal.com/nashvillians/
06:08 <@Dagmar> "Tis the season for giving (pain)"
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07:31 <@Dagmar> zombiehttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/21/the-we-started-kissing-like-this/
07:40 <@Dagmar> http://www.archicats.com/MazieKitten.html
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09:47 <+coil> ~weather for sat
09:47 <+MxZBot> It's Partly Cloudy in Fortaleza, Brazil. It's 86 F (81 M, 30 C, 303 K).  Wind to the ESE at 16Mph/26Kph.
09:47 <+coil> ~weather for sat
09:47 <+MxZBot> It's Partly Cloudy in Fortaleza, Brazil. It's 86 F (81 M, 30 C, 303 K).  Wind to the ESE at 16Mph/26Kph.
09:47 <+coil> ~weather for 78247
09:47 <+MxZBot> It's Light Rain in San Antonio, Texas. It's 41 F (14 M, 5 C, 278 K).  Wind to the North at 9Mph/15Kph.
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10:06 <@dc0de> all I want for christmas is a winning lottery ticket
10:14  * shadowmoss yawns
10:27 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
10:33 <@dc0de> morning
10:33 <@NotLarry> shadowmoss: Guess who has the flu...
10:38 <@SkyDog_> I'm worried that you're gonna tell us.
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--- Log opened Sun Nov 25 13:39:13 2007
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13:43 <@sdodson> someninjamaster: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/22/more_leopard_problems_plague_apple/ there's been a few others.  And the review from the dude on Ars wasn't very positive.
13:43 <@dc0de> I saw some chatter on a local mailing list that the users that upgraded were very concerned with some issues in the OS, but didn't save any of it, since I don't use OSX
13:45 <@sdodson> Ya, lots of upgrade issues.
13:46 <@dc0de> these sounded like security issues...
13:47  * sdodson sends a C&D to dc0de 
13:49 <@dc0de> sdodson, sure, apple will send me one soon enough.
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, sounds like someone doesn't realize that moving files across partitions and moving files across hard drives is exactly the same operation
13:51 <@sdodson> one has to traverse multiple SATA busses the other doesn
13:51 <@sdodson> t
13:51 <@Corydon76-dig> From an OS standpoint, it's exactly the same operation
13:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Nobody moves files across partitions without traversing the bus
13:52 <@sdodson> Depends on the quality of the drivers really.
13:53 <@sdodson> Which should be excellent considering you've got to support about 20 chipsets at most and they're from premium vendors.
13:54 <@sdodson> People should stop whining about them releasing with known bugs though.
13:54 <@sdodson> Everyone releases with known bugs.
13:55 <@Corydon76-dig> and Apple has done so before.  This is why I have yet to upgrade my MacBook Pro
13:57 <@sdodson> With anything as large as a complete OS there will always be known bugs at release time.  It's just the vendor's responsibility to identify which of those bugs are serious enough to prevent release.
14:04 <@Dagmar> COme on they don't do that
14:04 <@someninjamaster> i have had no issues this far with it
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14:27 <@Shadow_Phone>  meow
14:27 <@Scotchick> purr
14:27  * Scotchick steals shadow's candy
14:27 <@Shadow_Phone> busy weekend, probably spent about 10 min on irc max
14:27  * dc0de vomits at Shadow_Phone and Scotchick's feet
14:27 <@Shadow_Phone> mmm, thank you my servant, now go clean it up and wash our feet
14:28  * dc0de vomits on Shadow_Phone 
14:28 <@dc0de> clean it yourself
14:28 <@dc0de> you're the one that made me sick
14:28 <@Shadow_Phone> pretentious little fuckar
14:28 <@Shadow_Phone> :)
14:31 <@Shadow_Phone> anywho, whats the 411
14:33 <@dc0de> my son is sleeping 1/2 on the couch and across my lap.
14:34 <@dc0de> put up some new shelves this morning, hung a new clothes rod in the boys closet to double the storage, and I'm getting ready to go back to work tomorrow.
14:34 <@dc0de> oh, and laughing at tech's loss to uga
14:37 <@Scotchick> oh the bumbling bees got beat by the puppy dogs?
14:38 <@Scotchick> anyway gtg, there is this chick-flick on at the movies, shadow has been dying to see
14:38 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah..... absolutely dying
14:38 <@Shadow_Phone> .......ugh
14:39 <@dc0de> ~minilink http://www.keyetv.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=913038bb-a814-48df-b9e6-7a0a6336ad46
14:39 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/keyetv.com/0lvnI.aspx
14:39 <@Scotchick> he doth protest too much
14:39 <@dc0de> ouch, that's fucked up.
14:39 <@Scotchick> ow ow ow
14:40 <@Scotchick> a new interpetation of giving the finger
14:41 <@dc0de> I wish they removed the perp's fingers as punishment... by tearing them off.
14:46 <@dasunt> I'm not normally for long prison terms for non-violent crimes, but I'd make an exception for usenet spammers.
14:46 <@dc0de> dasunt, you still use usenet?
14:47 <@dasunt> dc0de: A little.  There's one or two groups I try to keep an eye on.
14:47 <@dc0de> doesn't your usenet client filter spammers?
14:48 <@dasunt> I just use google groups.
14:48 <@dc0de> back when I used to use usenet, my client would filter out the crap before I downloaded it..
14:48 <@dc0de> oh
14:48 <@dc0de> good luck then
14:48 <@dasunt> I'm not active on usenet, I just passively read a few groups.
14:48 <@dc0de> ~minilink
14:48 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/keyetv.com/0lvnI.aspx
14:48 <@dc0de> ~minilink http://www.memestreams.net/users/dc0de/blogid10323258/
14:48 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/memestreams.net/5apBw
14:49 <@sdodson> dasunt: which ones ?
14:49 <@dc0de> Georgia Court Rejects Law on Sex Offenders
14:49 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, you're safe, for now.
14:49 <@dasunt> sdodson: I tried to browse the nethack group (haven't been there for awhile) and it seems like spam killed it.
14:49 <@dasunt> sdodson: I try to read soc.history.what-if more often, since there's a few good posters.
14:50 <@dasunt> "The Georgia law had been considered one of the most comprehensive in the nation, not only for the breadth of its residency limits but also because it covered even the mildest types of sex offender, such as those convicted of having consensual sex acts as high school students."
14:50 <@dasunt> Ah yes.
14:50 <@dasunt> It is good that we keep those who have been convicted of sleeping with a 16 year old at 20 away from the daycare centers.
14:51 <@dasunt> I'm kind of surprised it failed though.
14:52  * dasunt expects the 2008 elections in Georgia to include ads along the lines of '<politician> voted NO on a bill to protect your children from dangerous sex offenders."
14:52 <@sdodson> 16 year olds are in day care?
14:53 <@sdodson> man their parents are even worse than my opressive parents
14:53 <@dasunt> sdodson: But, but, they are _sex_ _offenders_
14:53 <@dasunt> They must be dangerous to everyone.
14:54 <@someninjamaster>  http://www.fukung.net/v/556/dumbass.jpg
14:56 <@dasunt> someninjamaster: What?  That happened to me as well.
14:56 <@dasunt> But they fucked up, it was a 50 CD cakebox, and they sent me 52 CDs, so it didnt' matter that 2 were blank.
15:06 < freakn> If someone puts up that ad, someone should put an ad next to it saying "If you performed any sexual acts in High School, you are a sex offender.  Move out of GA."
15:11 <@dasunt> freakn: Isn't this the same state where some counties put stickers on textbooks concerning evolution?
15:11 <@dasunt> Sex in HS could be considered wrong.
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15:23 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: I believe the GA Supreme Court justices are appointed for life
15:23 <@Corydon76-dig> So they're not facing re-election
15:24 <@dc0de> wow, 1750 hp in a 4 wheel drive truck.
15:24 <@Corydon76-dig> TN Supreme Court justices are not as fortunate
15:24 <@dc0de> over $120,000
15:24 <@dc0de> 540cu/in
15:25 <@dc0de> speed channel...
15:26 <@dc0de> crazy expensive redneck truck wrecking
15:36 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: That's just wrong (about the TN judges)
15:36 <@dasunt> Hmmmm, is it just nostalgia, or was the original ICQ client better than half the clients today?
15:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, one of the police associations keeps bugging me to donate money to them and I keep telling them no, because of what they did to Judge Penny White
15:40 <@Corydon76-dig> They sandbagged her election, because the TN Supreme Court overturned a death penalty case
15:41 <@dc0de> dasunt, it's true, older was better.
15:42 <@dasunt> Psi isn't too bad of a client.  Small, compact, doesn't take up 3/4th of my screen by default.
15:58 <@sdodson> dasunt: pidgin is good
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16:14 <@sdodson> Who is that masked man?
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16:16 <@strages> ?
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16:47 <@sdodson> "They need to understand all cultures, because this is God's world." As spoken by someone advocating increased "diversity" in local middle schools.
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16:54 <@wizardPC> sdodson, what, you think that someone who believes in God doesn't understand the word diversity?
16:56 <@sdodson> I think someone who rationalizes going out of your way to integrate schools by suggesting it's God's way doesn't.
16:57  * wizardPC needs context for the above statement, apparently
17:01 <@sdodson> Yes, it was a local news documentary program and I can't find it online.
17:01 <@sdodson> Anyway, yes, it's my general opinion that anyone can't go 15 seconds without referring to their bible has no clue what diversity means.
17:02 <@wizardPC> how.....bigoted...of you
17:02 <@sdodson> bummer
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17:07 < vapor_la1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEFyswBe4x0&feature=related <- funny little karate video
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17:26 <@sdodson> http://www.solidsignal.tv/prod_display.asp?PROD=TD-PF7
17:34 <@dasunt> I wonder if Ikea has cheap coatracks.
17:34 < freakn> you can't get any cheaper than a nail in the wall near the door
17:34 <@dasunt> Ha ha.
17:34 <@dasunt> I love browsing the local craigslist.
17:34 <@dasunt> Someone wants a 5'9"+ Asian.
17:35 <@dasunt> And is wondering about finding Mr Right.
17:35 <@dasunt> Yah, if you exclude most of the population, you might have a problem.
17:35 <@dasunt> freakn: Apartment, renting.
17:36 < freakn> dasunt: you don't have any of the paint laying around?  all holes in walls can be filled and painted over
17:36 <@dasunt> Yah.
17:36 <@dasunt> I'm debating that.
17:36 <@dasunt> Or just a $5 decent looking coat hook.
17:37 <@dc0de> dasunt, use toothpaste to fill the holes, it works great.
17:37 <@dasunt> I do want a coatrack though.  Let me check on the prices.
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17:39 <@dasunt> OTOH, two hooks should work for my coats.
17:41 <@dasunt> I might go with the coatrack, looks like Ikea has them for $20.
17:42 <@dasunt> Probably easier than the hooks.
17:43 <@dasunt> And since this is drywall and I'm in Minnesota, I trust the coatrack to carry the weight of my coats.
17:44 <@sdodson> What about those removable hooks?
17:44 <@sdodson> They hold up to 5lbs or so
17:46 <@sdodson> When a torrent is stalled at like 30% are the peers smart enough not to request the same pieces from a seeder when they come online?
18:09 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, ping
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18:32 <@dc0de> this looks too cool... http://atlanta.craigslist.org/car/447015046.html
18:32 <@dc0de> if I had the $$ to convert it to a nice cruiser.... :)
18:36 <@sdodson> i need to find more podcasts that don't suck
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18:43 <@dc0de> sdodson, wanna buy an ambulance?
18:44 <@sdodson> Nah, I'm good. Soon as I get my car fixed I'll be happy.
18:45 <@dc0de> ooh the broncos' v. the bears in OT
18:45 <@dc0de> wow... this may be over in a minute
18:47 <@dc0de> man, the bears are playing like it's their last game ever.
18:49 <@tcstool> The 49ers won in overtime
18:50 <@dc0de> so did the bears... just now
18:50 <@dc0de> wow...
18:50 <@dc0de> that was amazing.
18:50 <@tcstool> The way the niners won was crazy
18:50 <@dc0de> they were down by 14, and came back to win in OT.
18:50 <@tcstool> Warner fumbled the ball in the end zone and the defense recovered it
18:50 <@dc0de> just saw that highlight
18:52 <@tcstool> Yeah
18:52 <@tcstool> Cards missed a field goal before that too
18:52 <@dc0de> wow.
18:52 <@dc0de> crazy football day
18:52 <@tcstool> Definitely
18:52 <@tcstool> Freaking titans didn't show up again
18:52 <@dc0de> huh?
18:52 <@tcstool> I guess they were too busy placing bets on the Albert Haynesworth-Pacman Jones rematch
18:53 <@tcstool> Titans got thumped 35-6 by the Bengals
18:53 <@dc0de> ouch
18:56 <@tcstool> But when your player who got suspended for stomping on a guy's face last year gets in a fist fight with your player who got suspended for being a general thug in the middle of Opry Mills, your concentration can't be that great
18:56 <@dc0de> heh.
18:56 <@tcstool> That team is such a joke
18:57 <@dc0de> well, they can only get better?
18:57 <@tcstool> The organization as a whole shouldn't put up with that kind of behavior, but they just let it go
18:57 <@tcstool> ridiculous
18:58 <@dc0de> yeah, we went through that for a "few" years in ATL.
18:58 <@dc0de> Shadow_Phone, wtf is up with silenceisdefeat?
18:58 <@tcstool> Oh yeah
18:59 <@dc0de> or should I say "down"?
18:59 <@tcstool> I seem to recall they had a wid receiver whose name I can't remember now who was nothing but a thug
18:59 <@dc0de> heh... just one?
19:01 <@tcstool> Probably more than one
19:01 <@tcstool> I jsut remember him getting in a fistfight with Deon Sanders during a game when Deon went to play for the 49ers
19:02 <@dc0de> I thought you were talking about "Neon" Deon...
19:02 <@dc0de> another asshat that I wasn't sad to see leave.
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19:06 <@tcstool> It seems like this guy wound up on the 2nd incarnation of the Browns eventually
19:08 <@tcstool> Andre Rison
19:08 <@tcstool> That was the guy
19:08 <@dc0de> heh
19:08 <@tcstool> It took me a minute to dig that from the deep recesses of my brain
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19:29 <+coil> hi
19:30 <@strages> sup scoot
19:31 <+coil> wassup strages
19:33 <@strages> nothing too terribly exciting unfortunately
19:39 <+coil> pvd is gonna be here tonight...
19:46 <@sdodson> what's pvd?
19:47 <@sasquatc4> paul van dyk
19:47 <@sdodson> sounds like an STD
19:47 <+coil> lawl...
19:47 <@sasquatc4> its probably that too
19:49 <@sasquatc4> saw deepdish last night, but that was fairly disappointing
20:04 <@dc0de> deepdish?
20:04 <@sasquatc4> dj group
20:04 <@dc0de> ah
20:04 <@sdodson> deep house dish?
20:04 <+coil> dish pan?
20:05 <@I-MOD> coil, you going to see pvd?
20:05 <+coil> i might...
20:05 <@I-MOD> cause that would be cool
20:06 <+coil> it's only $20
20:06 <@I-MOD> in nashville?
20:06 <@I-MOD> or where?
20:06 <+coil> san an
20:06 <@I-MOD> pffft
20:06 <@I-MOD> hsv doesn't really get big names
20:07  * coil wips spit off his face from I-MOD 
20:07 <@I-MOD> i mean...we had willie nelson recently, but he's kinda fading from the public eye
20:07 <+coil> bsj?
20:08 <@I-MOD> bsj kinda sucked this year
20:08 <+coil> aww
20:08 <@I-MOD> maybe 3 names that i recognized
20:08 <@I-MOD> out of 30-40 bands
20:09 <+coil> ouch
20:09 <@I-MOD> maybe i just don't get out enough tho
20:10 <+coil> probably not
20:10 <+coil> but what do i know
20:48 <@ladymerlin> whee
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21:00 <@dc0de> SkyDog_, ping
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21:56 < freakn> Speaking of Skydog ... anyone know if a OZ4 date and location is set?
21:56 <@sdodson> my pants
21:56 < freakn> when?
21:56 <@sdodson> never
21:57 < freakn> got that right
21:57 <@sdodson> ZING!
21:57 < freakn> It's gonna blow into December soon, and there isn't an OZ date yet :(
21:58 <@sdodson> It was in February last year.
21:58 < freakn> I gotta adjust my brew schedule for the presentation
21:58 < freakn> early feb
21:58 <@sdodson> you sure have grand plans of drunkeness that seem to fall flat
21:58 <@sdodson> maybe this year you won't get slotted first thing in the morning
21:58 < freakn> I sure have a presentation planned out
21:59 < freakn> and I wasn't drunk that early last year, I drank AFTER my presenttation
22:00 < freakn> not like anyone came to see, just like the 4 guys in the entire con that do that kind of thing for a living and I got so drilled (but learned so much) in the 30 minutes after my presentation
22:01 < freakn> the summercon beer presentation went well enough, I am gonna build onto that.  I need to get stuff brewed up a hair before a month before the con.  To me, the date means something.
22:02 <@brimstone> ew, brewing hair
22:02 <@sdodson> Knock off soy sauce is often brewed from hair.
22:02 <@sdodson> brimstone: sushi?
22:03 <@brimstone> not with soy sauce usually
22:04 <@ware> rtfm, get laid, rinse, repeat
22:04 <@ware> wareology.
22:05 <@ware> lern it, apply it, be a pimp.
22:05 <@sdodson> There's an appendix that covers random things to destroy.
22:05 <@ware> kthnxbai.
22:05 <@brimstone> MOAR CHAIRS!
22:05  * brimstone throws sdodson off
22:06  * ware charges brimstone $50 for a sdodon
22:06 <@brimstone> bah! that's cheap
22:06 <@ware> hahaha
22:07 <@sdodson> don't hate
22:08 < freakn> I like how the urban dictionary gives good, opinionated answers to slang questions
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22:09 < freakn> kthnxbai     	Contraction of "okay, thank you, bye".        Possibly the stupidest way of trying to end an argument ever. Used by prissy internet douchebags.
22:10 <@sdodson> ware is definitely a prissy douchebag
22:10 < freakn> Looks like dagmar moderates the site
22:10 <@sdodson> Ooh, honestly I think dagmar is a prissy douchebag
22:11 < freakn> I think more adjectives can be used than that, but thing is I can say whatever I want and I don't appear in his logs
22:11 <@sdodson> oh why's that?
22:12 < freakn> thank god he blocked me long ago so I don't have to deal with his shit.
22:12 <@sdodson> u canhaz ignores?
22:12 <@sdodson> he's not that bad
22:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Don't worry, freakn, I'll never ignore you.  ;-)
22:12 <@sdodson> a little dramatic and super ADHD or something.
22:13 <@sdodson> I full expect to wake up to being kick banned in the morning.  That's just how he rolls
22:13 < freakn> I hate when I am in here talking with someone else and he just shows up bitching about whatever someone posted that is too noob  for him, and he starts slashing down the person I am talking with cause his biogted ass can't see me
22:13 < freakn> sdodson, I was banned ... I just unbanned my self and he said "oh shit, freakn has ops"
22:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, btw, something funny happened to me today.  I get a call from my toll free provider, telling me one of my numbers has been flagged by the FCC for credit card fraud
22:14 < freakn> Corydon, I know you don't
22:14 < freakn> Corydon, Nice knowing you
22:14 <@Corydon76-dig> We suspect one of the numbers got transposed
22:14 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: oh... sounds interesting
22:15 < freakn> and sdodson: ya, a little overboard.  At least from the last time I spoke to dude face to face he is at least just "very opinioned" at those times.
22:15 <@Corydon76-dig> It's either the number that appears on the condoms or the number for VCCH
22:15 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-dig: you sure it isnt phreaknic charges coming back?
22:15 <@sdodson> http://www.aurant.com/signaturefeature.php
22:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: eh, charges coming back?
22:16 <@Evilpig> someone reporting that their card was overcharged or something
22:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Nobody submits credit cards via the toll free number
22:16 <@Corydon76-dig> and the toll free number isn't on the site where we take credit cards
22:17 <@Corydon76-dig> So, yeah, I'm pretty sure
22:19 <@Corydon76-dig> but it could be something like... somebody using the number on the condoms to fake their callerid to obtain CC numbers...
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22:19 <@Corydon76-dig> but anybody can do that
22:21 <@juice> bah I I just got working on a 12pg paper, I have to do my citations and proof read it
22:21 <@juice> I I =I
22:22 <@juice> err can't type I am so tired from typing
22:22 <@sdodson> anyone visit that link i pasted?
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22:25 <@rattle> Argh.  I had two cloned external drives I archived backups of my home directory..  I think they went back about ten years.
22:26 <@rattle> Both just suddenly died..
22:26 <@rattle> I don't think I lost anything important..  But..  fuck.....
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22:27 <@freakn> can always pay someone alot of money to figure that out for you
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22:28 <@freakn> I remember one time paying $1500 to OnTrack to recover the equiv of 10 outlook contacts for a VP guy, because the laptop was only that far out of date with the backups and he didn't wants us calling the secretaries of those people
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22:33 <@rattle> ... And I even made a point of having separate drive types...
22:33 <@rattle> But I was lazy, and didn't immediately go out and buy a replacement drive when the first one died.
22:33 <@rattle> May this serve as a warning to others..
22:34 <@tzanger> ouch
22:34 <@sdodson> i don't keep much around that i care about
22:35 <@rattle> The good news, is that I can't think of a single thing that has actually been lost of importance..  As I often burn DVD backups of projects and whatnot at various points as a just-in-case reference paranoia copy..
22:36 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't keep your projects in revision control?
22:36 <@rattle> Oh yeah..  Totally.
22:36 <@Corydon76-dig> oh, and tapes are more reliable long term storage than CDs or DVDs
22:36 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: I don't think that's true anymore
22:37 <@Corydon76-dig> (unless, of course, you have your backups pressed)
22:37 <@tzanger> you have 100 year (archival-quality) CDs now
22:37 <@rattle> But random collections of text files, pictures, presentations, etc..  Doesn't revision control easily.
22:37 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: it's still true for burned media.  Pressed media is something different
22:37 <@rattle> Excluding newer stuff like Apple's Time Machine..
22:37 <@tzanger> keep them in a media-rated safe or better, a bank safety deposit box and an offisite and there is just no justification for tape anymore
22:38 <@sdodson> Use S3
22:38 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: consider that they used to claim that CDs were indestructable and those very same CDs failed after 5 years or so
22:38 <@rattle> Since I lost those two drives..  I'm defintally going to go and copy off all my various cds/dvds, as they just became my lead backups..
22:39 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: while they may have made incremental adjustments to the quality, saying that they'll last 100 years isn't something I'm willing to bet on.  Tape media has a much better track record
22:39 <@rattle> I'm usually really disciplined about backups..  This is the first actual screwup I've had since the great post-skyfire data-holocost of 1997...
22:40 <@freakn> Modern Tape = massive non-user ineteractive scripted backups.  That is why it is still used.
22:40 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: actually, tape doesn't have that great a record... oxide flaking, backing sticking, the drives simply not being around ... nah.
22:41 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: drive not being around is usually the only problem I hear about.  Properly stored, tape backups should last at least 20 years
22:41 <@freakn> I've never had a tape fail beyond the period it was needed.  I have CDs fail from 5 years ago.
22:41 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: same for archival-quality CDRs, so I don't see the point really... tape has some awesome bandwidth though, I can't really argue with that
22:42 <@tzanger> I've never had a CD fail, and I've got data on *OLD* first-gen CDRs (1x speed) that is still working just fine
22:42 <@freakn> Ya, bandwidth really is the only selling point I see clients buying tape over many many other means now a days
22:42 <@tzanger> they weren't stored according to recommended spec, but they weren't tossed around, either
22:42 <@tzanger> but I mean look at the sheer PRICE for AIT
22:42 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: "archival quality" is, to the best of my knowledge, still just a marketing claim.  Nobody has actually seen that kind of life out of a CD yet
22:42 <@tzanger> I think that's what it's called
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22:42 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: they do the accelerated failure testing that they do for paint, photographs, etc.
22:43 <@tzanger> it's a fairly-well-understood process
22:43 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: which works, as long as they take into account every issue with age
22:43 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: and, as I said, it's a fairly well understood science now :-)
22:44 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: of course, if they miss something, the results are completely erroneous
22:44 <@freakn> I mean, my prefereance is a well selected critical files/databases list and an Iron Montain.  But, that hasn't won so well at all clients.
22:45 <@freakn> Burning DVDs however, that alone paid for a semester of college for me while the client could have done tape for $1000.
22:46 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: in 10 years, you may be right, and at that point, "archival quality" CDs may have a track record.  But I'm not willing to go with "maybe it'll be proven" for client data
22:47 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: so reburn every 5 years and charge them for it
22:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Or maybe in two years, those "archival quality" will fare worse than generic CDs that last 5 years
22:48 <@SkyDog_> tzanger: How old are you, just out of curiousity?
22:48 <@tzanger> that's doubtful, but anything is possible I imagine
22:48 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: or you transfer your tape backups to new media every 10 years
22:48 <@tzanger> SkyDog_: out of curiosity, how old do you think I am?  :-)  (I will answer, I'm just curious0
22:48 <@Corydon76-dig> or whenever it starts to be hard to find replacement drives
22:48 <@SkyDog_> I have no idea.
22:48 <@tzanger> I'm 31.
22:48 <@SkyDog_> I am 37, so I am not withoholding.
22:49 <@SkyDog_> Ok, I was just wondering if the disagreement might be based on age.
22:49 <@SkyDog_> Some of us older people have seen too much media failures...
22:49 <@tzanger> nah, I am just getting to be a crotchety old man I think
22:49 <@freakn> nah, just presumed quality
22:49 <@tzanger> I'm talking about BB and why I think they're ridiculous in another channel, and why I hate closed source or closed file formats, and I'm listening to myself going "holy fuck man, when did you get to be so closed-minded?"
22:50 <@Corydon76-dig> It's called business sense
22:50 <@SkyDog_> agreed.
22:50 <@tzanger> I've seen some spectacular media failures.  I've also seen countless tape drives (DDS, I don't consider Travan to be reliable at all) compltely shit themselves too, which is why I don't consider tape reliable at all
22:50 <@Corydon76-dig> You plan to make sure that what you say now doesn't make you look like a fool in 5 years
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22:50 <@freakn> and age doesn't show exposure to media failure.  More of the "Quality" mindset of the IT folks before you becomes the failure rate of a media type.
22:51 <@freakn> Like anyone quote someone in here in 5 years ... I'd give 5 days and a topic is dead unless it is posted on a blog or BB
22:51 <@Corydon76-dig> We tend to use DLT
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: I'm not talking about stuff in here.  This is a casual channel.
22:52 <@freakn> too much other random stuff going on
22:52 <@freakn> eh
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: If I talk to a customer, and they want a backup, I will recommend DLT or SuperDLT tapes.  Period.
22:52 <@tzanger> I mean I have hard drives from 98 that work great still.  I have tapes that suck, drives that eat tapes, floppies that work despite having a 3yo draw on the media, CDs that are perfectly clean but won't read... failures are everywhere
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22:53 <@freakn> Corydon:  with my experience, my next question is "size, budget, and frequency" before I asign a solution.  There are alot of options out there.  For me tape is only a large one.
22:54 <@tzanger> freakn: amen
22:54 <@tzanger> that's a big thing I took a long time to learn... shut the fuck up and listen a little longer, then take a nice long minute before giving an answer
22:54 <@freakn> don't get me wrong ... a 10 tape roatating DLT is in operation right now under my recomendation.
22:54 <@tzanger> and ask important questions like budget :-)
22:54 <@someninjamaster>  /me yawns
22:54 <@Corydon76-dig> lol, sfw... http://nashville.craigslist.org/m4m/489439768.html
22:55 <@tzanger> hahaha
22:55 <@sasquatc4> that is sfw?
22:55 <@someninjamaster> that is why i stay off craigs list
22:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, the pic is clean
22:55 <@tzanger> sasquatc4: if the words "black cock" can be read without getting yo ufired
22:55 <@tzanger> no nasty pic
22:56 <@Corydon76-dig> He's worshipping, it's religious in nature... ;-)
22:56 <@sasquatc4> hehe
22:57 <@freakn> Tie the PN photobooth next year to craigslist just like that
22:57 <@Corydon76-dig> For a good time, call 404-314-2110
22:57 <@ware> Corydon76-dig: do you have the glorious dick of asshole fucking +5 or something?
22:58 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: in English?
22:58 <@freakn> he is speaking in d20
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23:02 <@ware> Nine Inch Nails - Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D [2007/MP3/197kbps/Scene]
23:03 <@freakn> year zero remix or something like that?  wtf?
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> http://aftp.korusuu.net/mgssancho/IT/DSCF0056.JPG  SFW
23:03 <@freakn> do they have a new album?
23:03 <@ware> its a fan based remix
23:03 <@ware> that nin put out
23:04 <@ware> are you on what.cd
23:04 <@ware> Spun off from Year Zero, the #2-charting album issued in the spring, Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D features a stunning diversity of remixers, from Joy Division and New Order's Stephen Morris to classical crossover pioneer Kronos Quartet
23:04 <@ware>   and hip-hop poet Saul Williams; from avant-garde leader Bill Laswell,
23:04 <@ware>   electronica's Olof Dreijer from The Knife, Interpol drummer Sam Fogarino and
23:04 <@ware>   post-punk revivalists The Faint to an unknown fan who submitted a remix via
23:04 <@ware>   the Internet.
23:05 <@freakn> eh, I'll give it a few days then p2p it
23:06 <@Corydon76-dig> What's funnier is this one http://nashville.craigslist.org/m4m/489324163.html  <--- not gay, at all
23:07 <@Corydon76-dig> "Hey, I'm posting on a forum that has mostly gay men, I want a stranger to take me in his car, so I can spy on my gf"
23:08 <@tzanger> craigslist personals are the most fucked up thing on the internet
23:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, but it's hilarious
23:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Young jealous boy is gonna get laid
23:11 <@tzanger> ahhaha
23:20 <@freakn> tzanger, there are worst sites.  All I can recomend is put on a rubber before you even meet her.  The "internet chick itch" isn't discoverable by STD tests ans isn't killed by antibiotics.
23:22 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: Now we know the reason you're the freak-n... Internet booty calls...
23:24 <@freakn> freaknasty has been around before internet booty calls, and he hasn't done one since ... that last mistake
23:24 <@freakn> she is still a maxim model though
23:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Odd, all the guys I've met off the Internet have been pretty nice, well-adjusted guys
23:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe it's just women who go wacky on the Internet
23:26 <@freakn> Back when I was stil doing that, I never met one decent adjusted girl.  It was a freak show.  I had better chances of meeting decent women at shitty bars.
23:26 <@Corydon76-dig> freakn: you should test that theory... hook up with a guy off the Internet... :-P
23:27 <@freakn> Corydon:  I have a few "just friends" I could dial from my phones memory and I would be set for life.
23:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
23:28 <@freakn> Being a "straight guy that goes to gay bars" is amazingly a desirable trait amongst post college gay men
23:28 <@freakn> hell, I bring a lesbian along sometimes when I go shopping for women
23:29 <@brimstone> paper or plastic?
23:29 <@freakn> she makes any male shovonist look like a great person
23:29 <@freakn> so critical
23:30 <@Corydon76-dig> "chauvanist"
23:30 <@freakn> ya ya ya
23:30 <@freakn> whatever
23:30 <@freakn> she only dates the hotest of the hot.  I do think I have blushed at things she has told me about women passing by.
23:31 <@Corydon76-dig> lol
23:31 <@Corydon76-dig> You know what wife stands for, right?
23:31 <@freakn> this little asian grad student.  We get dinner at least once a week.  She is a hoot.
23:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Washing Ironing Fucking Etc.
23:31 <@freakn> I have heard various meanings
23:35 <@Evilpig> I think this is the most fucked up movie I have ever seen.  http://imdb.com/title/tt0424136/
23:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: "little girl lures pedophile, tortures him to death"?
23:41  * brimstone queues
23:43 <@Evilpig> yes
23:43 <@Evilpig> she fucking castrated him
23:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Now I wanna go see it
23:44 <@Evilpig> tied the dude to a table.  numbed him up with ice then cut his balls off the whole time talking to the dude telling him how it is for his benefit
23:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Where can I find a pedophile to castrate, too?
23:46 <@brimstone> craigslist?
23:47 <@sasquatc4> huzzah, the laptop is shipped, now the long wiat
23:47 <@sasquatc4> wait
23:50 <@someninjamaster> what kind of laptop
23:50 <@sasquatc4> dell
23:51 <@dasunt> Meh.
23:51 <@wontonjoe> me meh moo moo woohoo
23:51 <@dasunt> Someone shoot me.
23:51 <@dasunt> I don't want to go to work tomorrow.
23:51 <@dasunt> And there really isn't anything else I want to do.
23:51  * Corydon76-dig shoots all over dasunt's face
23:51 <@wontonjoe> i dont work tomorrow
23:52 <@wontonjoe> but right now im troubleshooting an outlook express error woohoo
23:54 <@dasunt> I need a job that pays double.
23:54 <@dasunt> But I'm not really in the mood to job search.
23:56 <@wontonjoe> i feel shaky
23:56 <@wontonjoe> eh not good
23:56 <@wontonjoe> heh maybe ill pass out at work
23:56 <@wontonjoe> only one here, i could get a good nap by passing out lol
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