--- Log opened Sat Nov 10 00:00:54 2007
00:12 <+coil> ya ya bitch
00:16 <@sdodson> 84.76MB/s  vroom
00:27 <@sdodson> loadavg is shooting up to 4x the number of cores yet the machine is entirely responsive, mostly in iowait state :(
00:28 <+coil> no
00:28 <@sdodson> coil: Thanks, I appreciate your expert opinion.
00:28 <+coil> hahahah
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01:14 <@someninjamaster> evening all
01:25 <@B3AST> uh thinks that morning technically
01:27 <@sdodson> details
01:34 <@someninjamaster> hmm
01:34 <@wontonjoe> woohoo
01:34 <@wontonjoe> im doing good
01:34 <@someninjamaster> this is mildly amusing
01:34 <@someninjamaster> the speech rec in 10.5
01:34 <@wontonjoe> sdodson.... got the raise
01:38 <@sdodson> wontonjoe: congrats man!
01:49 <@Psyiode> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/8/225933/759 this is funnyh
01:50 <@Psyiode> Kucinich totally owns Tucker Carlson
01:51 <@sdodson> That's the little weasley one right?
02:09 <@wontonjoe> sdodson, they gave me a laptop to go with my raise
02:09 <@wontonjoe> its an old one but after the first of the year im solely gonna be doing my work on a laptop
02:10 <@wontonjoe> im putting ubuntu on it now
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02:14 <@Psyiode> sdodson: yes kucinich is the one on the right
02:15 <@Psyiode> who has an uber hot wife
02:15 <@Psyiode> for a prez candidate anyways
02:15 <@wontonjoe> when did you get all political hippy!
02:16 <@Psyiode> gotta do something
02:16 <@wontonjoe> hehe
02:16 <@Psyiode> the country needs change
02:16 <@wontonjoe> the boredom shall not set in!
02:16 <@Dagmar> No shit.  Really?
02:16 <@wontonjoe> lol
02:16 <@Psyiode> nah, i think ill just go back to digg
02:16 <@wontonjoe> uh oh you awoke dagmar
02:16  * wontonjoe hides
02:17 <@Psyiode> hey so who knows what happened to Ajax makes the baby jesus cry video on youtube?
02:17 <@Psyiode> is it available elsewhere?
02:19 <@wontonjoe> i dunno
02:19 <@wontonjoe> i still havent seen it
02:21 <@Dagmar> Fucking *lame*
02:21 <@wontonjoe> it is?
02:22 <@wontonjoe> isnt it some cross site scripting stuff
02:22 <@Dagmar> Some dude posts to LQ.net asking for help getting around a website's mechanism for only allowing people to listen to streams but not download them
02:22 <@Dagmar> I say outright he shouldn't be asking about that
02:22 <@wontonjoe> yup
02:22 <@Dagmar> It's a church's website, and I get some asshat sniping at me saying "Some people jump to conclusions without proper checking"
02:23 <@wontonjoe> if they dont want their content to get dl'd then he shouldnt
02:23 <@Dagmar> Since when am I supposed to fucking second guess someone when they SAY IN THEIR POST that they're trying to defeat what is a copy protection mechanism
02:23 <@wontonjoe> yup
02:23 <@wontonjoe> dude the dum dum's of the world are just their to give aspirin a use
02:24 <@Psyiode> hehe
02:24 <@wontonjoe> a net install of ubuntu takes a long time
02:24 <@wontonjoe> even on the connection here at the noc
03:13 <@wontonjoe> hay
03:13 <@wontonjoe> modprobe (driver) wont hold after reboot will it
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06:55 <@GodFix> Dolemite: What's the SSID and PW for the APs at VUMC 3rd floor?
07:22 <@Dagmar> There is no password
07:23 <@Dagmar> Just for you, call 322-2954 when you have a Q like that
07:23 <@GodFix> I honestly expected or no response to that
07:24 <@GodFix> I've just spent that last 3 days there dying of information withdrawl
07:24 <@Dagmar> where?
07:25 <@GodFix> SICU
07:25 <@Dagmar> Ouch
07:26 <@Dagmar> I don't think they put passwords on the AP's over at the medical centre
07:26 <@Dagmar> I was somewhat of the impression they did the same thing we do here and simply configure the APs not to broadcast the essid
07:26 <@GodFix> my mother is there right now
07:27 <@Dagmar> Bummer
07:27 <@GodFix> yeah, major bummer
07:27 <@Dagmar> If you wind up in that position again, call us here at the NOC
07:28 <@GodFix> Paliative care is visting her Monday
07:28 <@Dagmar> We're on the university side of things but we'll call up medcenter helpdesk and grill the right people for you
07:29 <@Dagmar> I *think* MIrage is on during the PM today, but NotLarry and I are both on tonight after midnight
07:29 <@GodFix> I may head over there when I get off. the SSID are set to not broadcast, right?
07:29 <@GodFix> the first day i was there I checked and nothing showed up, but i didn't feel like making an effort
07:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I"m assuming they are doing the same things over there that we do here
07:31 <@Dagmar> If you're half-competent with wireless sniffing tools, you'll still be able to see the essid just the same
07:31 <@Dagmar> This weekend promises to be insanely boring so far
07:32 <@Dagmar> I'm probably going to audit another rack or two tomorrow night just to feel useful
07:41 <@Psyiode> sounds like a ablast
07:41 <@Psyiode> i should do a few sitescope reports that ive been slacking on
07:42 <@Psyiode> would be so much worthwhile if they actually meant anything and if people looked at them
07:47 <@dc0de> mr0nin
07:47 <@dc0de> hey Psyiode
07:49 <@Psyiode> howdy
07:58 <@Dagmar> *stabstabstab*
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08:28 <@dc0de> SG Razor is cool
08:28 <@dc0de> BSG even
08:30 <@dc0de> Oh, I mean the shorts they keep showing...
08:30 <@dc0de> I can't wait to see it... when does it come on?
08:31 <@dc0de> addd is a bitch
08:31 <@dc0de> add even
08:33 < ware> no gambling for me
09:18 <@Jagobah> Ugh... so I got a laptop hard drive that's starting to fail me.  Anyone have any HD disk recovery programs to recommend before I start trying stuff in the wild?
09:19 < tzanger> Jagobah: I always throw the drive in a ziploc bag with a silica packet (dessicant) and thrwo it in the deep freeze for a couple hours
09:19 < tzanger> then pull it out and IMMEDIATELY connect up a USB2 HDD adaptor to it and pull off what I can
09:19 <@Jagobah> Sounds really crazy
09:20 < tzanger> Jagobah: I've rescued more data than you can imagine
09:20 < tzanger> the deep freeze gives me some time before the failing electronics get up to failing temp again
09:20 < tzanger> it does not ALWAYS work, but it's a good, safe first try
09:20 <@Jagobah> In my case, I think the hard drive seems to "skip" itself over a certain sector/area.  Reading anything that I suspect to be on there makes the system lock up for about 5 minutes, while everything else whizzes by fine
09:21 <@Jagobah> Would that freezing technique work for this HD?
09:21 <@Dagmar> not likely
09:21 <@Dagmar> That sounds like media failure, pure and simple
09:21 <@Dagmar> Fire up smartctl and have it do a *long* S.M.A.R.T. test
09:22 <@Dagmar> ....and prepare to call the manufacturer to find out if it's still under warranty
09:22 <@Jagobah> It probably isn't; the drive's approaching the fifth year since I bought it
09:23 <@Jagobah> My first inclination was to get a copy of Hiren's boot CD and run its "HD Regeneration" program on it
09:23 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.vulnhunt.com/pocs/high_load_cpu.png  Not safe for Windows
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09:23 <@Jagobah> Or to just hook it up to a USB external enclosure and use data recovery programs
09:23 <@Dagmar> A great many WD and Seagate drives ahve 5-year warranties on them
09:24 <@Dagmar> You don't need to even think about recovery until you've gotten an accurate read on what exactly is wrong
09:24 <@Venom_X> anyone on the up about demonoid? Is there a good replacement?
09:24 <@Dagmar> PirateBay I suspect
09:24 <@Jagobah> This one's Hitachi, will have to see
09:24 <@Jagobah> I'm more worried about a couple of pieces of data to get from it first
09:25 <@Jagobah> http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/11/demonoid-torren.html regarding demonoid
09:25 <@Dagmar> Then try and copy 'em off *now*
09:26 <@Dagmar> The one thing you can be sure of when a drive is failing is that the more you poke at it, the better the chance it'll hit *total failure*
09:26 <@Jagobah> Even if it's just media failure?
09:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Or are you worried about somebody else SEEING those pieces of data?
09:27 <@Jagobah> Hehe, little bit of both
09:27 <@Dagmar> So copy the important data off it NOW
09:28 <@Dagmar> Copy what you can
09:28 <@Dagmar> THEN, once you have copied as much as you can, you can worry aobut the "recovery" tools which unless they ask you for anotehr drive to clone a new image to, are probably not going to do you a damn bit more good than SMART utilities would
09:29 <@sdodson> "The day of the Linux desktop"  so we've gone from it being the year to the day?
09:29 <@Dagmar> Why you'd look to a third-party tool over what's already built into the drive by a manufacturer that doesn't want returns unless they can help it, I don't have any idea
09:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Jagobah: don't worry, your secret of predilection for lesbian dwarf porn is safe with us
09:29 <@Jagobah> That's what I am doing, but it's got that busy light on which means it'll take hours
09:29 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Better than Endless September
09:30 <@sdodson> I'm coming to Tennessee bitches!
09:30 <@Jagobah> I'll look over the smart tools after the recovery
09:30 <@Dagmar> Jagobah: Mainly, http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ is one fo the better things you can use for cloning a failing drive
09:30 <@sdodson> The smart tools don't do recovery do they? just monitoring
09:31 <@Dagmar> They don't do recovery, but they can accellerate the drive marking a section of disk bad
09:31 <@Dagmar> More importantly tho, they'll tell you in no uncertain terms what the hell is going on
09:31 <@Dagmar> Recovery of failed sectors is more or less automatic on SMART-capable drives
09:32 <@sdodson> It should be transparent.
09:32 <@Dagmar> dd_rescue is worthy of note because drive cache memory failures can fuck you large
09:33 <@Dagmar> ...since when left to it's own devices, drives will seek ahead and may well stick on sectors that can't be read simply because they're within the range it's trying to cache.
09:33 <@Dagmar> ...so you can tell dd_rescue to work _backwards_ starting at the end of the disk, which neatly disables caching
09:33 <@Dagmar> The things one learns at Summercon
09:34 <@Dagmar> Just one thing to remember
09:34 <@Dagmar> Jagobah: IF I FIND OUT YOU USED SPIN-RITE, I WILL FIND WHERE YOU LIVE AND KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP.
09:34 <@sdodson> So dramatic.
09:34 <@sdodson> better blog about it
09:35 <@Dagmar> Google "Steve Gibson Sucks"
09:35 <@Corydon76-dig> The only way to know that you're truly famous is when somebody devotes a page to how much you suck
09:36 <@Jagobah> I've heard about spinrite but I wasn't interested
09:36 <@JimShoe> i have never actually gotten spinrite to work on anything
09:37 <@Dagmar> s/famous/infamous/;
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09:37 <@Fed615> mornin
09:37 <@Jagobah> And supposedly there are tools on the hiren's boot CD that can do the bad sector recovery like spinrite but without being spinrite
09:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah
09:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: either way, you're not known until people find you important enough to tell the world that you suck
09:37 <@Dagmar> Reading the same sector over and over isn't some big magic trick
09:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Fed615: Morning
09:38 <@Dagmar> Corydon: If said reason is you repeatedly telling reporters a bunch of crazy and impossible shit, then people probably need to be warned about you
09:38 <@Dagmar> Remember, this is the fuckstick that thought he invented syn-cookies, among other things.
09:38 <@sdodson> sigh, for some reason certain applets don't work when i'm all bling bling
09:39 <@sdodson> his "zomg sky is falling, xp will have raw sockets" bit was funny
09:39 <@JimShoe> fucking gmail, crashes all the time
09:40 <@Dagmar> I thought it was sad
09:40 <@JimShoe> the syn-cookies thing he took back once he found out it had been around for years
09:40 <@Dagmar> Before that he also hassled CERT and several people around the nation that he'd discovered a "new" vulnerability in that if you had a TCP daemon limited to 12 connections at once, someone could make 12 connections and hold them open, giving you a DoS condition until they timed out from inactivity.
09:41 <@Jagobah> This thing will probably take all day, gahhhh....
09:41 <@Dagmar> There was a great resounding "duh" from everyone except the media on that one
09:42 <@sdodson> bah i has fucked up vpn
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09:43 <@GodFix> self-feltching?
09:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I enjoy the fact that Abaddon/Neoteric need to find a way to tell me that I suck every year at PN.
09:44 <@Dagmar> This would be a sign that they're staying true to their course of borderline asshattery man
09:44 <@Dagmar> In your case, I'd take it as compliment.
09:44 <@Dagmar> In the case of Steve Gibson, he's just a dipshit.
09:44 <@Corydon76-dig> That's exactly how I take it.  ;-)
09:49 <@SkyDog_> woohoo! on the road to metropolis.
09:49 <@Dagmar> Get me Superman's autograph
09:50 <@SkyDog_> Dagmar: We're gonna steal a statue and bring it back.
09:50 <@Dagmar> Sweet!
09:51 <@SkyDog_> Dunno if that is good. We're using your name while we do it.
09:51 <@Dagmar> Hey man, I've got an alibi
09:51 <@Dagmar> Not one, not two, not even three but FOUR IP-enabled video cameras trained on me 12 hours a day
09:52 <@SkyDog_> Those can be faked. You have a dossier with the TBI...
09:52 <@Dagmar> And the FBI
09:52 <@Dagmar> Both of whom I'm on very good terms with
09:52 <@Dagmar> Also, I don't have access to where those IP-cameras are logging.
09:52 <@Dagmar> Hell, I don't even know where they're logging to
09:53 <@Dagmar> I got no problem with them looking and finding that At The Time In Question I was sitting at this desk looking at pictures of kittens and bunnies.
09:53 <@Dagmar> http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/11/ticklish-squeak.html
09:54 <@Dagmar> That would really be some infuriating shit for a prosecuting attorney
09:55 <@Dagmar> I would have to offer them antacids.
10:05 <@GodFix> damnit, i was suppose to be on that bus going to the casino!
10:06 <@GodFix> what's the best way to max out network throughput for a long period period of time?
10:06 <@GodFix> say, a week
10:06 <@Dagmar> ping -f
10:08 < tzanger> GodFix: max it out?  back-to-back rsync with -W?
10:08 < tzanger> actuall
10:09 <@GodFix> yeah, just saturate the pipe
10:09 < tzanger> best way is to piss off osmeone controlling the storm worm
10:10 <@GodFix> um... no thanks
10:10 <@GodFix> trying to do it internally
10:11 <@GodFix> I wanna see what the graph looks like after it being pegged for a week
10:11 <@Dagmar> ping -f
10:25 <@sdodson> Where does the timezone change in TN? prior to or after knoxville?
10:27 <@Dagmar> What?>
10:27 <@Dagmar> Oh.
10:27 <@Dagmar> http://nist.time.gov/images/US_time_zones.gif
10:27 <@Dagmar> Kinda hard to tell
10:28 <@sdodson> I guess prior too is meaningless anyway as it means east of to me and west of to you
10:28 <@sdodson> oh well, later
10:29 <@Dagmar> I *think* Knoxville is in EST
10:29 <@GodFix> Knox is EST
10:29 <@Dagmar> Doh
10:29 <@Dagmar> Google fucking tells you outright if you ask it
10:29 <@Dagmar> Here I was searching for goddamn maps
10:29 <@Dagmar> http://www.google.com/search?q=knoxville+tn+time+zone
10:29 <@Dagmar> *headdesh*
10:29 <@Dagmar> s/desh/desk/;
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11:08 < ware> Dagmar: you posting crap to my blog?
11:08 < ware> it smells like you
11:08 <@Dagmar> Um... no?
11:08 <@Dagmar> I was only vaguely aware you had a blog
11:09 < ware> theres some asshattery afoot
11:09 < ware> but i dunno who it is
11:09 <@Dagmar> That would probably not be me then
11:09 <@Dagmar> What I do generally reeks of mischeif unless I'm really pissed off
11:09 <@Dagmar> (Yes this is why I've had two of the things and haven't purchased another... without a lanyard I wind up washing the damn things)
11:10 <@Dagmar> mischan
11:21 <@sdodson> don't trust his lies!
11:43 <@Jagobah> well I think the backup worked
11:44 <@Jagobah> let's cross fingers >.<
11:51 <@dc0de> ware, where is your blog?
11:51 <@dc0de> I'll post something
11:57 <@Jagobah> fuck!
11:58 < ware> stonermoments.org
11:58 < ware> :P
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12:27 <@dc0de> Dagmar ping
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12:44 <@ShadowHntr> sup dc0de
12:48 <@ShadowHntr> how's things in your neck of the woods
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13:13 <@Dagmar> eh?
13:13 <@Dagmar> I just got home
13:15 <@NotLarry> how was work?
13:15 <@ShadowHntr> sup larry
13:15  * ShadowHntr is at the office today :)
13:15 <@Dagmar> Dull as hell
13:15 <@Dagmar> You're coming into the office tonight, NotLarry?
13:16 <@NotLarry> I am sick, but yeah, I don't mind bringing a cold to work:)
13:16 <@ShadowHntr> NotLarry : beats me, i was in hospital wed and thurs with a bad vomiting episode. they managed to abort it right away (luckily, these things normally last over two weeks)
13:16 <@ShadowHntr> and i'm surprised they had to use as little of pain meds as they did.
13:20 <@NotLarry> glad it's not me:)  I just have a stuffed up nose
13:20 <@ShadowHntr> oy
13:20 <@ShadowHntr> yeah
13:20 <@ShadowHntr> i guess i'll be paying for a few more months of COBRA :P
13:21 <@NotLarry> and dizzy when I lay down
13:22 <@Dagmar> Damn
13:22 <@Dagmar> That means I'm probably going to be talking to myself again tomorrow
13:22 <@Dagmar> Kevin B came in to do something at about 9 this morning while I was just chattering away to myself
13:23 <@Dagmar> I begin to wonder if I maybe was just the first to fall this week
13:23 <@NotLarry> Why, you don't think I can talk like that?
13:23 <@Dagmar> 'cuz Ed is out sick
13:23 <@Dagmar> The real test will be to see if Mirage brings the funk up there to Metropolis.  :)
13:24 <@NotLarry> of course, short of racking and such, we could just phone the job in:)
13:24 <@Dagmar> Shhh!
13:25 <@Dagmar> Ya start talking like that and they'll outsource a shift
13:27 <@NotLarry> lets see, outsource my shift to me here, I come in every 3 day weekend...
13:27 <@Dagmar> No, I mean they'll outsource it to the med center or some shit
13:28 <@Dagmar> When I signed on, the *operators* from upstairs were doing the graveyard shift
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13:37 <@dc0de> Evilpig ping
13:37 <@dc0de> ~seen Evilpig
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13:37 <+MxZBot> dc0de: i haven't seen 'evilpig'
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13:42 <@ShadowHntr> whoops
13:42 <@ShadowHntr> sneezed too hard
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14:15 <@wizardPC> boo netsplits
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14:37 <@dc0de> first play, Auburn v. GA, interception, GA ball.
14:37 <@dc0de> wow
14:40 < ware> boo
14:40 < ware> go Auburn
14:46 <@ShadowHntr> hehehehehe
14:46 <@ShadowHntr> ware: you're not going to the casino with the rest of the group?
14:48 < ware> nah i got hte work pager with me
14:50 <@dc0de> ware auburn is in a 3rd world country... alabamastan
15:08 <@ShadowHntr> LOL dc0de
15:08 <@ShadowHntr> only college in bama i can root for is UAH
15:08 <@ShadowHntr> and they don't really play sports :P
15:18 <@dc0de> wow that was one helluva hit
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15:44 <@ShadowHntr> you broke it.
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16:00 <@Jagobah> dagmar still around?
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16:02 <@Jagobah> <_<
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16:19 <@dc0de> Dagmar ping
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17:31 <@sasquatc4> haha, sweet, #1 osu just lost to illinois, and boy are they pissed, started fighting at midfield at the end
17:32 < ware> nice
17:38 <@dc0de> I'm watching the auburn v. uga game.... it's awesome ball playing
17:39 <@dc0de> ga has scored 21 points in the last 7 mins of play
17:39 <@dc0de> unanswered points...
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17:53 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
17:55 <@dc0de> w00f
17:55 <@tcstool> Evening
18:05 <@sdodson> doot
18:07 <@Evilpig> how are you on irc already tubby?
18:08 <@sdodson> who?
18:09 <@Evilpig> skydog
18:09 <@dc0de> Evilpig wanted your help with transcoding, however, I figured it out myself.
18:09 <@Evilpig> i just left them all at the casino not even 30 min ago
18:09 <@Evilpig> k
18:11 <@sdodson> k didnt want to have to snap any necks tonight
18:12 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_ : how was the casino
18:12 <@ShadowHntr> loose your shirt?
18:12 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
18:12 <@ShadowHntr> er
18:12 <@ShadowHntr> lose
18:13 <@sdodson> zomg gatlinburg is busy
18:13 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson : it's like that all the time.
18:13 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
18:13 <@sdodson> i've moved like .5 miles in 20 minutes
18:13 <@ShadowHntr> lol
18:13 <@ShadowHntr> Brentwood's like that.
18:14 <@dc0de> sounds like atl
18:15 <@sdodson> but this is 1000 percent tourists
18:15 <@ShadowHntr> lol
18:16 <@sdodson> atl isnt this bad
18:17 <@tcstool> Sounds about right
18:22 <@dc0de> yeah, ATL ranked #1 worst commute in the nation but gatlinburg is worse
18:24 <@sasquatc4> ranked by who? everyone always thinks that where they live is the worst
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18:27 <@dc0de> http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/103291/The-Most-Unhealthy-Commutes-in-America
18:27 <@dc0de> actually, ATL is #2
18:31 <@dc0de> atlanta also makes the top three "Killer Commutes"
18:31 <@dc0de> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305763,00.html
18:33  * sdodson makes sure its fair andbalanced vy not going there
18:34 <@sdodson> this is like redneck las  vegas
18:41 <@ShadowHntr> i think Seattle is #4 or something
18:42 <@ShadowHntr> i used to live there.
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18:47 < jb7od> hi everybody
18:48 < jb7od> i came to noob up the userlist...
18:49 < jb7od> maybe you're alright though.
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18:49 <@ShadowHntr> time to bear the insane traffic heading home
18:49 <@ShadowHntr> wtf was that
18:49 <@ShadowHntr> :P
18:49 <@ShadowHntr> cheers
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20:01 <@Shadow_Phone> hehe, at that guitar hero party that i mentioned
20:01 <@Shadow_Phone> and there is a lesbian couple
20:01 <@Shadow_Phone> ones a dyke, but hey, thats what imangination is for
20:02  * Shadow_Phone imangines 2 hot lesbian college girls going at it with guitar hero in background
20:02 <@Shadow_Phone> ok, so ware has drunken kick bans, i have drunken rants
20:05 <@Jagobah> ;0
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20:59 <@Jagobah> So I'm recovering my e-mail boxes from my laptop.... after 8 hours it's recovered the oldest one with 96% integrity
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21:42 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
21:44 <@dc0de> evenin.
21:44 <@dc0de> is there an easy way to bulk upload to youtube?
21:49 <@SkyDog_> I dunno.
21:51 <+coil> i set the kittens free
21:58 <@sasquatc4> so thats what the kids are callin it these days
22:00 <+coil> no
22:00 <+coil> the kittens in my apt
22:00 <+coil> i kicked them out
22:01 <+coil> and a cat too
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22:02 <@Evilpig> typefrag.com has the worst graphics I have ever seen
22:58 <@wontonjoe> beep
22:59 <@wontonjoe> etherape makes work fun
22:59 <@wontonjoe> cant figure out why driftnet isnt showing anything though
23:33 <+coil> lrn2sniff
23:42 <@wontonjoe> lol
23:53 <@juice> hmm I have something on the attic of my house
23:53 <@juice> not sure if it's a mouse,bird, or something larger
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23:54 <+coil> on or in?
23:55 <@juice> well in side the roof
23:55 <@juice> but on top of the kitchen ceiling
23:55 <@juice> which is just that square white paneling
23:55 <@juice> i am going to walk into the kitchen or my house and get scared from some rodent running from me
23:56 <@juice> or trying to attack me
23:56 <@juice> I had something in the wall at my old house and a few days later I saw a large mouse running around into my roommates room
23:56 <@juice> but couldn't ever find it again
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