--- Log opened Wed Oct 31 00:00:36 2007
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00:05 < dc0de> fuck, it's 1AM... I'm off to bed.
00:06 <@B3AST> l8r
00:45 <@Dagmar> Networked Laser Printer, works with Linux, $99 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10398615&adid=17653&dcaid=17653
00:45 <@Dagmar> I'll have probably ordered one of the things by morning.
00:46 <@Dagmar> There are some things for which Inkjet just doesn't cut it
00:46 <@juice> that's cheap
02:15 <+coil> terminal doesn't open
02:15 <+coil> and iterm freezes...
02:15 <+coil> i wish i had money to buy it...
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07:57 < dc0de> mr0-nin
08:03 <@Shadow404> mawning
08:03 <@Shadow404> dc0de: gcmf4b and gcmcz0
08:04 <@Shadow404> finally got around to posting
08:04 < dc0de> later... I'm buried atm
08:04 <@Shadow404> ok
08:04 <@Shadow404> yeah, im guessing the same when i get to work as well
08:05  * dc0de is working from home to avoid the crush of the office
08:05 <@Shadow404> just lots of needy customers with their "ands" and "alsos" and "can i do this as well"
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08:05 <@Shadow404> turning one request into a like 10
08:08 < dc0de> we call that scope creep
08:08 < dc0de> or on halloween, scopy creepy?
08:08  * dc0de goes back to work... 
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08:40 <@Dagmar> Well, looks like Kucinich is done
08:40 <@Dagmar> They're all over this UFO sighting thing
08:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Done?  He never had a chance to begin with
08:40 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but that he said he saw a UFO is all over CNN tonight
08:40 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
08:40 <@Pr0nStrGeek> anyone ever argue down the price on a cell phone?
08:40 <@Corydon76-dig> He's there to take pot shots at everybody who's more moderate
08:41 <@Dagmar> ...which has what to do with what
08:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: we've known he's a loony since day one.  Him seeing a UFO doesn't change anything
08:41 <@Dagmar> The press has found a way to roundly ridicule Kucinich to destroy any credibility he had.
08:42 <@Corydon76-dig> He had credibility?
08:42 <@Dagmar> Yes, dumbass.
08:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Pffft.  You're giving him way more credit
08:42 <@Dagmar> The same credibility most politicians get, which is the credibility people usually give to guys in a suit they've never seen before who are not IRS auditors or televangelists.
08:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Dude, anybody can dress up in a monkey suit
08:43 <@Dagmar> Another non sequitir
08:43 <@Dagmar> I'll come back when you've had your midol
08:43 <@Corydon76-dig> You just said you give credibility to people in monkey suits
08:44 <@Corydon76-dig> If anything, I tend to regard people wearing suits with a bit of suspicion immediately
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08:54 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:54 <@Dagmar> All the cool kids are learning to read--you should too.
08:56 <@ware> what do yall use for rbl lookup
08:56 <@Dolemite> several different websites
09:06 <@Dagmar> Senderbase.org is good
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09:30 <@Evilpig> who the fuck was hotdogwater?
09:31 <+coil> ur fucking mom!!!
09:31 <@Dolemite> That's redundant.  All moms fuck.
09:31 <@Dolemite> That's how they get to be a mom.
09:32 <+coil> get off my yard!!!
09:32 <@Dolemite> that's my line
09:32 <@Dolemite> be0tch!
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09:32 <@someninjamaster> morning everyone
09:32 <@Evilpig> now shoot him with your bb gun
09:32 <+coil> it's not trade marked or copyrighted
09:33 <@SkyDog_> \
09:33 <@Dolemite> Nah, why use a bb gun on him?  Shotguns with rock salt are much more effective and codgerly.
09:33 <@Dolemite> SkyDog_ : w00f!
09:33 <@someninjamaster> dolemite the rubber ones are more effictive
09:34 <@Dolemite> someninjamaster : Rubber, schmubber.  Back in my day all we had was rock salt.  And we liked it.
09:34 <@someninjamaster> haha
09:34 <@Dolemite> Besides, after this year's PhreakNIC, I think I tossed enough rubbers at people to last me for a long time.
09:34 <+coil> rock salt wont hurt too bad...will it?
09:34 <+coil> yes i've seen kill bill
09:34 <@someninjamaster> i have always been curious how effictive it would be
09:35 <@someninjamaster> since the only time i have seen it used is in movies
09:35 <@Dolemite> coil : the rock salt will break open your skin and well...  you've heard the expressions 'pouring salt in an open wound", haven't you?
09:35 <+coil> yes but you wont die from it?
09:35 <@Dolemite> No, you won't die
09:35 <@Dolemite> It'll just sting like hell
09:36 <@someninjamaster> they make shells now that are suppost to do the same thing but they are made of the main ingrediant in pepper spray
09:36 <@Corydon76-dig> It would take a lot of salt wounds to kill you
09:36 <@Dolemite> My grandfather used to keep a shotgun loaded with rock salt to scare off wild dogs and other animals
09:36 <@Corydon76-dig> possible, but unlikely
09:36 <@Dolemite> He lived waaaaaaaaay out in the sticks in the Cumberland Mountains
09:37 <@Dagmar> You'll just wish you were dead
09:38 <@Dagmar> As a side bonus, the kinetic energy is all still there, so it still packs one hell of a "wallop"
09:38 <@Dolemite> it was about the only thing you could do to get a pig out of your horse feed, short of killing it
09:38 <@Corydon76-dig> What's interesting is that you couldn't even die from blood loss.  The salt immediately cauterizes the wound
09:38 <@Dolemite> but it took both barrels just to make enough wounds in it's tough skin
09:39 <@Dolemite> er, its
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09:52 <+coil> are we allowed to bring shaving razors on to the plane?
09:53 <@ShadowHntr> what i'd like to know is...
09:53 <@ShadowHntr> Identify station !
09:53 <@ShadowHntr> Enter da-da-da-data now.
09:54 <@seeblind> morning everybody
09:55 <@ShadowHntr> morning
09:55 <@ShadowHntr> :)
09:55 <@ladymerlin> heya seeblind
09:55 <@seeblind> Sup ladyM?
09:55 <@ladymerlin> not much
09:55 < brimstone> wheee!!!
09:55 <@ladymerlin> whee
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10:05 <@seeblind> SkyDog_: w00f?
10:05 <@SkyDog_> W00f.
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10:19 <@someninjamaster> what happend to aestetix he hasnt been here in a while
10:20 <@ladymerlin> heh
10:20 <@Dagmar> The gay martians got him
10:21 <@someninjamaster> apparently they grabbed oddball as well
10:21 <@someninjamaster> he hasnt spoken in almost as long
10:23 <@Dagmar> s/gay martians/overbearing girlfriend/;
10:24 <@Dolemite> That only applies to Oddball
10:25 <@SkyDog_> Doh!
10:25 <@someninjamaster> i was waiting for that one
10:25 <@Dagmar> This is fucked up
10:25 <@Dagmar> Kid Rock's house looks like my goddamn grandmother lives tehre
10:25 <@ladymerlin> why would anyone allow there girlfriend to make them miss phreaknic?
10:26 <@seeblind> Not all ladies are as savy as you LadyM
10:26 <@Dagmar> You've not seen Panya in a crowd before
10:26 <@someninjamaster> how have you not
10:26 <@Dagmar> ...or on days ending in y
10:26 <@SkyDog_> I have seen her. I watched her "faint" at Dragoncon.
10:27 <@baudburn> ?
10:27 <@ladymerlin> haha yeah ive seen her fainting spells
10:27 <@someninjamaster> she walks in the room in its like holy shit
10:27  * ladymerlin waves to baudburn 
10:27 <@baudburn> mornin
10:27 <@Dagmar> You remember she practically exploded at me at Magic Mushroom from me telling her that she'd parked in a place where they'd surely tow it
10:27 <@Dagmar> Bitch is fuckin' crazy.
10:27 <@someninjamaster> hehe
10:27 <@SkyDog_> Dagmar: Two in the chest, one in the head.
10:28 <@Dagmar> From ME those are serious words.
10:28 <@ladymerlin> she also dosent know what a shower is....
10:28 <@someninjamaster> eww
10:28 <@Dolemite> Yeah, considering the fact that you're still dating Lindsay
10:29 <@Dolemite> I think she knows what a shower is.  It's deodorant that I think she has a misconception about.
10:29 <@Dolemite> Panya, not Lindsay
10:29 <@someninjamaster> she proably uses the rock deoderant
10:29 <@Dolemite> At least Dagmar dates women with half way decent hygeine
10:29 <@Dagmar> She could stand to familiarize herself with a depilatory agent of some kind as well
10:31 <@Dolemite> When Panya and Oddball came over to my house to play DDR after a 2600 meeting one month I realized that I only needed to have outdoor parties from that point forward
10:32 <@someninjamaster> haha
10:39 <@Evilpig> can't find my sunglasses.  this drive is brutal
10:39 <@Dolemite> Where you heading today?
10:39 <@Evilpig> new johnsonville
10:40 <@someninjamaster> hehe he said johnson
10:40 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite : i need to catch up with you and try some of your brew.
10:41 <@ware> hey
10:41 <@Dolemite> You lost your chance, I had two kegs at PhreakNIC
10:41 <@ware> SkyDog_: whats taht cheap place to get cables n stuff
10:41 <@ware> video / printer / etc
10:41 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite : i know - i kicked myself afterwards for missing it :P
10:42 <@SkyDog_> ware: Um. in town?
10:42 <@Evilpig> cables2go
10:42 <@SkyDog_> I buy alot of my stuff at Bluff City Electronics.
10:42 <@SkyDog_> Bryce is my rep.
10:42 <@SkyDog_> Dole hooked me up with some new guys, but I have not had to order antying yet.
10:42 <@ware> ahh i thought you told me about a mom n pop type place
10:43 <@ware> near bread company
10:43 <@ware> hrug*
10:43 <@ware> *shrug* too
10:43 <@Dolemite> Yeah, Accu-Tech, across the street, be0tch.
10:45 <@ware> got my first paycheck today :D
10:45 <@ware> its verr nice for a weeks work
10:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Is it as nice as your old paycheck?
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10:51 <@Evilpig> think i need to get my old ranger's tranmission looked at. it is making an odd noise in 5th
10:57 <@Dagmar> AWESOME
10:58 <@Dagmar> MRSA confirmed found in a Sumner County school
11:00 <@ShadowHntr> :P
11:02 <@ShadowHntr> where's the stats page again?
11:02 <@ShadowHntr> i lost the url
11:07 <@Dolemite> www.se2600.org/ircstats
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11:10 <@rhia> Religion professor: Why did Jesus die?
11:10 <@rhia> Student: Loss of blood?
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11:12 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: chronic lack of sleep, probably
11:12 <@Dagmar> Grad student: Asphyxiation
11:13 <@GodFix> FIRE!!! FIRE!!!!
11:13 <@Dolemite> GodFix : That is not 'protected speech'
11:14 <@GodFix> it is when the place I physically am is falling down around me
11:14 <@Dolemite> but you didn't say that in meatspace, you said it in IRC space
11:14 <@Corydon76-dig> It's protected speech, if there's actually a fire
11:14 <@Dolemite> correct, but there's no fire in here....   yet
11:14 <@GodFix> conceded
11:15 <@GodFix> everything is falling down around me
11:15 <@ware> fire fire fire fire fire fire
11:15 <@ware> burny goodness
11:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Always bugs me when people falsely quote SCOTUS when they say you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre...
11:15 <@Dolemite> ware : Urinating again?
11:15 <@Dagmar> You can do anything in this country
11:16 <@ware> har har
11:16 <@Dagmar> You can beat a white kid within an inch of his life and get to present at the BET music awards for it
11:16 <@Dagmar> YAY FOR NO MORE RACISM
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11:24 <@ware> oh Dolemite
11:24 <@Dolemite> oh ware
11:24 <@ware> did you get my text yesterday?
11:25 <@ware> OH DOLEBABE
11:25 <@Dolemite> yeah, I told you it wasn't for you
11:25 <@ware> haha $1400/yr subscription
11:25 <@ware> i sat on the phone with the gal on the way home from work tho
11:26 <@rhia> poor talking heads; it wasn't evil terrists afterall:
11:26 <@rhia> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/31/fire.california/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail
11:28 <@ware> hehe nice
11:28 <@ware> they wont charge him
11:28 <@ware> surely
11:28 <@Dolemite> Yeah, but FOX will still not lose credibility among the far right
11:30 <@Dagmar> Who the fuck was saying it was terrurists?
11:31 <@Dagmar> I don't recall seeing any news agencies claiming that
11:31 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I heard some people on the raid theroizing that
11:31 <@Evilpig> radio
11:32 <@Dagmar> I don't think talk radio retards like Valentine and Savage count
11:32 <@Dagmar> ...or even Spill O'Reilly for that matter
11:33 <@Evilpig> for the damage it caused.   they should be taking notes
11:34 <@Dagmar> Hey, at least now we know we can count on FEMA
11:34 <@Dagmar> ...to completely fake a fucking press conference.
11:37 <@rhia> KKK accusing, um, the KKK of being ignorant
11:37 <@rhia> http://www.cullmantimes.com/archivesearch/local_story_300204459.html
11:37 <@Dagmar> wheeee!
11:38 <@Dagmar> <Dagmar> Oh, NOW I know why we're not *quite* ready
11:38 <@Dagmar> <Dagmar> Oh, NOW I know why we're not *quite* ready
11:38 <@Dagmar> fuck
11:38 <@someninjamaster> lrn2irc
11:38  * someninjamaster waits to be kb
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12:01 <@someninjamaster> wow i did not relize how long you could survive in space without a space suit
12:02 <@GodFix>  how long?
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> You might survive 5 seconds if you got immediate attention... every tenth of a second you get progressively to the point of no return
12:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Besides no oxygen, you also have to deal with the shock of near absolute zero temperatures
12:04 <@someninjamaster> 15secs of awake time
12:05 <@someninjamaster> 30 seconds with not perminate damage
12:05 <@GodFix> what about the pressure differnece
12:05 <@baudburn> no way.. lungs would go pop
12:05 <@someninjamaster> and 1 to 2 minutes till your dead
12:05 <@baudburn> also, all your skin cells would asplode
12:05 <@someninjamaster> not according to nasa
12:05 <@baudburn> think of the most uber-hickey ever
12:05 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjamaster: I think that's only dealing with the lack of oxygen.
12:06 <@baudburn> yah, that would make more sense
12:06 <@Corydon76-dig> The cold and pressure differential would kill you first
12:06 <@baudburn> also, as  whoever else said.. temperature..
12:06 <@someninjamaster> this was gathered when a spacesuit failed in a vacume chamber
12:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Half a second in absolute zero temperatures would give you frostbite, for starters
12:06 <@baudburn> i think the pressure would kill you before you could freeze enough to lhave a limb break off
12:08 <@someninjamaster> let me find the link
12:10 <@someninjamaster> http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html
12:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Interesting
12:14 <@baudburn> i second that.
12:18 <@someninjamaster> yeah
12:19 <@baudburn> i still don't get why your cells don't pop
12:19 <@baudburn> like a hickey..
12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, experimentation beats theory every time
12:30 <@GodFix> i like to experiment the effects of stuff on things.
12:31 <@baudburn> i like to experiment with the effects of my fist in your face?
12:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I like to experiment with my dick in your ass
12:32 <@GodFix> i'm gonna choose the fist in the face over Corydon's dick in my ass
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Going with the devil you know?
12:33 <@GodFix> well, anyone that'll post post a photo stating "Nigger King" has my vote
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12:40 <@Evilpig> what are the chances that anyone in here knows windows / vb scripting well enough that you have used and have a working script that can change the taskbar to autohide or not be on top always?
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12:48 <@ware> odd request, why dont you just change it manually
12:48 <@GodFix> baudburn: where in Taipei did the pic of Nigger King come from. I have a friend with mer here from there and he's never heard of it
12:54 <@ware> dolepole: do you still have that mechassault game?
12:55 <@Dolemite> yah
12:55 <@ware> i think thats all i left with you
12:55 <@Dolemite> it is
12:55 <@Dolemite> I need to get that back to you
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12:57 <@Evilpig> ware: because i need the change applued to any profile that logs into that system. 24 users over 15 systems is alot of profiles to change by hand
13:02 <@ware> group policy?
13:02 <@Evilpig> yes
13:02 <@Evilpig> but group policy has no settings for the etask bar other than to hide icons and keep users from changing it
13:03 <@Evilpig> which is why I need a script I can push out via group policy
13:04 <@ware> http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-1442011.php
13:04 <@ware> do the reg hack in the login script
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13:11 <@Evilpig> registry editing is locked out.  has to be a system script.
13:18 <@Evilpig> I have a script that works.  but it doesn't want to execute on startup.  well no run correctly at least
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13:49 < dc0de> who here works with cisco routers?
13:50 <@seeblind> I have been know to?  What is your issue?
13:50 <@Dolemite> he wants to sell you some crap!
13:51 <@seeblind> Dolemite: is that to me or to dc0de?
13:51 <@Dolemite> dc0de wants to sell seeblind some crap!
13:52  * seeblind puts on advertising blocker for irssi
13:57 <@ware> *shameless buttplug*
13:57 <@ware> 8==D
13:58 <@Evilpig> I got my script to work.  had to change system policy to force login scrits to run before the desktop is init'd
14:00 <@ware> hawt
14:01 <@ware> seeblind: did you attend phreaknic?
14:01 <@ladymerlin> seeblind was the fox
14:01 <@seeblind> Yeesss
14:01 <@ware> has a picture?
14:02 <@ware> i dont remember
14:02 <@ladymerlin> look on my gallery
14:02 <@Evilpig> didn't  i put seeblind on the stats page already?
14:02 <@seeblind> pourquoi?
14:02 <@ware> porky?!
14:03 <@Evilpig> which I am about to make that page NSFW if my mood doesn't improve.  a fwe peole might have cocks photoshopped into their pictures for being discks about getting me photos
14:03 <@ladymerlin> yes pig you did
14:03 < dc0de> seeblind when capturing packets off of 7600 series routers, is there an option to ONLY capture the first n bytes of the packet, or do you only get the whole packet? (not using RMON)
14:03 <@ware> my pic makes me look fat :(
14:04 < dc0de> ware you are fat
14:04 <@seeblind> Evilpig: who is on that list.  I want to makes sure I am not on it.
14:04 < dc0de> Evilpig you did a great job finding mine...
14:04 <@Dolemite> If you talk in this channel, you are on the stats page
14:04  * dc0de pats Evilpig on the back for a job WELL DONE
14:04 <@ware> big ol chucky cheeks
14:05 <@seeblind> dc0de: I haven't tried capturing partial packets with cisco gear.  What are you trying to accomplish?
14:06 <@ware> ahh yeah seeblind looks like someninjamaster
14:07 <@seeblind> erhh????
14:08 < dc0de> seeblind I just needed to know, if the router was compromised, how much data would be available from the traffic going through the router... I'm guessing 100%
14:08 <@Dagmar> Oh yes
14:08 <@Evilpig> pr0nstargeek and shadowhntr for starters
14:08 < dc0de> at least, that's what I just told my customer
14:08 <@Dagmar> If nothing else you can make the damn things just spew everything to another host ANYWAY
14:08 <@Evilpig> dc0de: yours came off what myspace or something?  I didn't try too hard
14:08 < dc0de> Dagmar zactly
14:08 <@Dagmar> It's "built in functionality"
14:08 < dc0de> Evilpig prolly memestreams
14:08 <@Evilpig> poiupoiu took some watching
14:08 < dc0de> Dagmar "built in fucktionality"
14:09 <@Dagmar> Same diff in this case
14:09 < dc0de> heh
14:09 <@poiupoiu> Evilpig, ?
14:11 <@Evilpig> your picture
14:11 <@ware> Evilpig stalked us all until he got everyones picture
14:11 <@ware> and that just gave me a raging boner
14:11  * ware pokes Evilpig with his boner
14:11 <@poiupoiu> hahah
14:11 <@poiupoiu> on that note, class is about to start
14:11 <@seeblind> dc0de: Yes, if the router was compromised the "intruder" has access to all the traffic on the router.
14:11 <@poiupoiu> thanks for the horrible horrible image
14:11  * Evilpig stabs ware in the face witha  spork
14:12 <@ware> devemo-thumb.gif rofl
14:12 <@seeblind> dc0de: how does that relate to partial packet capture
14:12 <@ware> that reminds me of the stoner mac chick
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14:14 < dc0de> seeblind the customer wanted to know if the packet capture funktionality was somehow "crippled" to only provide the first 64bytes of the frame, so that the data wouldn't be compromised...
14:17 <@Pr0nStrGeek> wow... are they serious?
14:17 <@seeblind> dc0de: I am not sure exactly what you mean.  I am not aware of a xploit that would change the functionality of a cisco like that.  It is possible but I haven't heard of one.
14:18 < dc0de> seeblind when using a conventional packet capture utility, you can specify whole frame, or partial frame captures, to keep your capture buffers from overflowing too quickly.
14:19 < dc0de> If you are trying to troubleshoot a TCP/Routing issue, it's normal that you don't need full frame captures, only the Frame start to IP Header End... ~ the first 64K
14:19 <@seeblind> dc0de: True but that is on your capturing system.  The router is going to pass whole packets.
14:19 < dc0de> the customer wanted to know if the cisco capture setting was fixed...
14:20 < dc0de> to ONLY provide the first 64k, or could it do whole packet...
14:20 < dc0de> All the notes I read on their web said "packet capture" so in the absense of specifics, I assumed worst case, which == whole packet.
14:23 <@seeblind> dc0de: if the router was compromised the "intruder" would have access to the whole packet as it passed throught the router.  for that matter all the routing tables and any other info they wanted.  Is this an actual compromise or just an example for customer "tech speek"?
14:24 <@Shadow_Phone> ello
14:25 <@Shadow_Phone> im so sick of one of my co workers
14:25 <@critch> dc0de: if comprimised, who is to say the firmware will remain intact?
14:25 <@Shadow_Phone> takes 2 hour lunch breaks
14:25 < dc0de> critch I know
14:25 <@Evilpig> Shadow_Phone: is his name tyler?
14:25 < dc0de> seeblind I know
14:25 <@Shadow_Phone> then surfs all day and doesnt do anywork
14:25 < dc0de> the customer is using the argument to push other controls....
14:25 <@Shadow_Phone> when he knows we have two peiple out sick
14:25 < dc0de> i know what happens when a router is compromised.
14:26 <@Shadow_Phone> so i just walked out and let him take mail flow for a bit while i chill
14:26 <@seeblind> dc0de: what "other controls"?
14:26 <@Shadow_Phone> fuck no i aint doing the work all by myself
14:27 < dc0de> seeblind first, an ACL on the external side to drop 100% of traffic destined to the router, 'cept for the known BGP Peer updates
14:28 < dc0de> 2nd, log on any traffic leaving the router with the source address OF the router
14:28 < dc0de> as it doesn't do nat
14:28 < dc0de> 3rd, perform 4-5 times per day, a tftp of the running config, and compare it to the stored config, to see what has changed, if anything.
14:29 <@Dagmar> 4th, send beer to Mike Lynn
14:29 < dc0de> 4th, 2 factor auth on their centralized Cisco Secure ACS to monitor who accesses the central system for modifications
14:30 < dc0de> 5th, ensure that every router only accepts connections from the ACS boxen, and no one can direct connect to any router over the network. (OOB still exists for backup comms)
14:30 <@Dagmar> nice
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14:31 <@Dagmar> I love when people actually pay attention to what their equipment is doing, instead of just going "Hey it lights up"
14:31 < dc0de> Dagmar thank you.
14:31  * dc0de tries.
14:31 <@baudburn> ohh pretty lights
14:31 < dc0de> now, ask me how likely do I think the customer will do these things?
14:31 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAH
14:32 <@baudburn> dc0de: what do you do ?
14:32 <@Dagmar> You might get 1 and 2 out of most people
14:33 <@Dagmar> What you should do is cobble up a system that *does* these things *for* them and then sell it to them
14:33 <@Dagmar> For some reason, business love things they can spend money on
14:34 < dc0de> Dagmar yeah...
14:34 < dc0de> There are many products that will perform the TFTP of the configs and check them... as well as using RSA/ACE with Cisco ACS,
14:34 < dc0de> but the grunt work of modifying all of the router configs, falls to the network team.
14:37 < dc0de> and will they understand why they need to modify 200+ routers? or will they simply not make the changes for something more "critical"
14:37 <@baudburn> the real answer is, businesses woudl rather spend time making money doing whatever they specialize in than tinkering
14:38 <@baudburn> and be glad, that's how a lot of us make money...
14:38 < dc0de> at the end of the day, I don't care.
14:38 < dc0de> baudburn: it's not tinkering, it's compliance
14:38 <@baudburn> to them, it's tinkering.. they don't want to do it, they want to pay someone to do it, get it over and move on :)
14:38 <@baudburn> thats how i see it anwyay
14:39 < dc0de> and for one of the worlds largest insurance companies, they can't afford NOT to do it...
14:39 <@baudburn> i agree.. which is why they're paying you right?
14:39 < dc0de> well, they called and asked for advice.
14:39 < dc0de> however, I doubt they will take it.
14:40 <@baudburn> heh
14:40 <@baudburn> i'm just saying.. if i'm in teh business of making bread, i'm not going to become a mechanic so i can fix my van when it breaks down..
14:41 <@baudburn> so i say stfu when people bitch about users not caring about how the network works..
14:41 <@baudburn> :)
14:41 < dc0de> I'm not bitching about the "users", I'm bitching about the system owners not caring
14:42 <@baudburn> in that case, i agree with you.
14:42 <@Evilpig> baudburn: alot of companies do learn though. this chemical plant has engineers, mechanics, electricians so they don't have to outsource when something breaks
14:43 <@baudburn> Evilpig: thats true. but i'd have to be a pretty big bakery to higher a full time mechanic to keep my vans running..
14:43 <@baudburn> however, if i did hire a mechanic, and they didn't care how the new vans worked.. then i'd have a problem.
14:44 < dc0de> what about someone to keep the ovens running?
14:45 < dc0de> you see, the routed infrastructure is more like the building and not the van... if it goes down, the entire network is gone.
14:45 < dc0de> somewhat of a "critical system" in their world.
14:45 <@baudburn> if that be the case, yes, i'd hope they would be paying attention
14:47 < dc0de> any major corporation today should hold their network infrastructure as a 'critical system'.... too much internal business is done on computers and networked systems to be without it.
14:48 <@baudburn> oh yeah, i agree.
14:49 <@baudburn> however they don't really care *HOW* it works.. they just want to make sure it works
14:49 <@baudburn> hence.. as long as the lights are blinky, then it's working..
14:50 < dc0de> well, not really... that's like saying that you don't care who is driving your car, a hijacker or you, as long as you're moving.
14:50 < dc0de> which is a 'tad bit' myopic
14:51 <@baudburn> that's fair to an extent
14:52 <@baudburn> however its a matter of scope i think
14:52 <@baudburn> do you care about the forces acting on a single electron as it moves through a dram cell?
14:53 < dc0de> I'm not saying that the application systems aren't important either... but it's the whole, "house building on a weak foundation" discussion.
14:53 <@baudburn> do you know specifically how read and write opeartions work for flash memory?
14:53 <@baudburn> on a physical level?
14:53 < dc0de> baudburn depends on how it effects the security of the system, if it doesn't have a significant outcome either way, then no, I don't care.
14:53 <@baudburn> how can you use that shit without being well aware of how it works?
14:54 <@baudburn> so for you, it's all about security.. because that's youre field of expertise..
14:54 <@baudburn> i'm not diminishing security..
14:54 <@baudburn> i think it shoudl be #1
14:54 <@baudburn> but the point i'm making is, we all use things wihtout knowing about htem
14:55 <@baudburn> we rely on others to know the details.
14:55 <@baudburn> now if your customers sercurity guys are assholes and don't know
14:55 <@baudburn> that's a problem
14:55 < dc0de> there is a point at which a responsibility is placed, to understand the ramifications of NOT doing or doing something comes to light.  Understanding the things we choose to use, should be influenced from a point of knowledge, not one of disinterest.
14:56 < dc0de> When I'm speaking to a *cough* "security professional" who calls ME (not a cisco fan) to find out how the router capture works, it's a bit disturbing... he called me so I could JFGI for him...
14:56 < dc0de> that's retarded.
15:01 <@baudburn> sorry, back
15:01 <@baudburn> hell, i understand man
15:01 <@baudburn> the main guy i work with is a "developer" who couldn't figure out how to move a hidden file because it doesn't show up in a window..
15:02 < dc0de> that's why I was bitching... the entire team is like that...
15:02 <@baudburn> i had to speak out the command
15:02 < dc0de> nice.
15:02 <@baudburn> "open a terminal.. go to this dir.. type 'cp <space> <dot>asdf <space> ...'"
15:02 < dc0de> did you just want to scream, "Learn the command line bitch!!!"
15:02 <@baudburn> i felt like i was in that movie hackers
15:02 <@baudburn> heh
15:02 < dc0de> heh
15:03 <@baudburn> btw, 10 points for using myopic
15:03 < dc0de> heh.
15:04 < dc0de> thanks... I'm trying to revive my vocabulary... I've always had a great one in the past, it's just slipped... so I'm reviving it...
15:04 < dc0de> slowly
15:04 < dc0de> although, I've been reticent, it's much easier to curse, and it has a much better effect when you are dealing with the less educated.
15:05 <@baudburn> well, quit it, you're raising the intelligece level here too much.
15:05 <@baudburn> hell, people might even start getting your and you're right if you stick around
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15:06 < dc0de> no way... never will happen...
15:06 <@Evilpig> and I might win the lottery too
15:06 < dc0de> or their and they're?
15:06 <@baudburn> heh
15:06 <@Evilpig> ooo ooo or ware and shit
15:07 <@ware> HAPPY HALLOWICKED ERRYBUDDY!
15:07  * ware is out
15:07 <@baudburn> dc0de: jesus, i'm pretty sure people here have messed up would and wood before
15:07 <@SkyDog_> GodFix: You around?
15:07 <@Evilpig> baudburn: i've got would
15:09 <@Dolemite> Happiness is a cancelled meeting!
15:09 < dc0de> baudburn; you see, we always have Shadow404 to nullify any gains I may bring...
15:09 < dc0de> and Evilpig of course
15:09 <@baudburn> see, now Dolemite.. there's a smart guy.. he knows how to spell happiness correctly..
15:09 <@baudburn> not happyness.. fuckers
15:09 <@Dolemite> lol
15:10 <@baudburn> dc0de: 'lawl'
15:10 <@SkyDog_> Gotta love a cancelled meeting.
15:10 < dc0de> me shudders.
15:10 < dc0de> SkyDog_ those are the most productive
15:10 <@SkyDog_> Pretty much.
15:11 <@Evilpig> time to drop the iq level
15:11 <@Dolemite> Damn.  I've been so busy today I haven't even gotten my daily dose of celebrity upskirt pics.
15:11  * Evilpig signs Let's do the time warp again!
15:11 < dc0de> Evilpig lower than the bar you set 5 minutes ago?
15:11 <@Evilpig> yup
15:11 < dc0de> Dolemite, but how have you survived? Oh the anguish!
15:13 <@Dolemite> I'm making up for it now by rubbing one out while looking at pics of Evilpig's mom.
15:13  * dc0de shudders.           again.
15:14 <@baudburn> dc0de: see.. myopic is way too advanced for this chan
15:22 <@ShadowHntr> lol scott
15:23 <@seeblind> SkyDog_: Who canceled?  and did they call or did you show up
15:25 <@SkyDog_> I was talking in reference to Dole's meeting.
15:25 <@SkyDog_> I still have to goto Q in a bit.
15:25 < dc0de> baudburn true, but I've turned over a new leaf, with diabetes, apnea, and not being able to drink anymore, I have to actually do something with the brain cells I can't kill...so I'm going to satiate my desire for recompense from my shortcomings by reaquiring my verbal prowess.
15:26 < dc0de> wow, I need to save that one... it was good.
15:31 <@Neoteric> dc0de: you could try to take a really long cruise.
15:31 <@Neoteric> dc0de:  I found that a freightliner will have as many as 12 passangers
15:31  * baudburn high fives dc0de 
15:32 <@Neoteric> things you get on your cruise include 3 meals/day, nothing else.
15:36 <@Evilpig> I have to have a discussion with my phone guy.  he just installed a camera system here and told them that to use the software to view the recordsings they'd need admin rights on their local machines
15:41 <@Dolemite> Ugh.  geeks.com must have all of 1 person working the returns phone queue.
15:42  * Dolemite is in on-hold hell
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15:42 <@Evilpig> hitech?  who the fark is that?
15:42 <@SkyDog_> What are you sending back dole?
15:43 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 59 nicks [44 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 14 normal]
15:43 <@Dolemite> An mp3/mp4 player that I bought from them
15:43 <@Dolemite> has a built in FM transmitter...   if you can keep the fucker to stay on
15:43 <@Dolemite> it keeps turning itself off
15:43 <@Evilpig> I blame user error
15:44 <@SkyDog_> Pebcak.
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15:45 <@Dolemite> Well since it's obviously user error, I'll be happy to sell it to you
15:45 <@Evilpig> I don't need no mp3 player.  I have an xm.
15:45 <@someninjamaster> how do you like it
15:46 <@Dolemite> Evilpig is an XM Zealot
15:46  * Evilpig loves his Xm
15:46 <@Evilpig> i've had it for three or four years now.  I desise regular radio
15:46 <@Evilpig> despise for people with functioning keyboards
15:50 <@Evilpig> this poor windows server .  I don't want to be around the day it has to get rebooted
15:50 <@Evilpig> System Up Time:            384 Days, 21 Hours, 42 Minutes, 36 Seconds
15:50 <@Evilpig> it probably won't even come back up
15:50 <@someninjamaster> wow
15:51 <@Evilpig> been in production now for just over 3 years.
15:52 <@baudburn> it hasn't already crashed?
15:52 <@Evilpig> it had a raid controller go out the last time it was rebooted
15:52 <@Evilpig> been up since
15:53 <@baudburn> haha
15:53 <@baudburn> dc0de: so that guy i was telling you about..
15:53 <@baudburn> he jsut comes over and asks "what's the command line for rename?"
15:53 <@Mirage> under *nix or windows?
15:53 <@someninjamaster> in what os
15:53 <@Evilpig> baudburn:  format
15:53 <@baudburn> fbsd/macosx
15:54 <@Dolemite> and so far 17 minutes on hold without talking to a human...
15:54 <@baudburn> this is the guy who also said with a straight face that "NPR is full of lies, but Fox news shoots it straight"
15:54 <@Mirage> baudburn: ok..so is the guy supposed to be a *nix guru not knowing that....or a windows guy who tried 'rename' and got command not found.?
15:55 <@Evilpig> i'm not a *nix guy and even I know to use mv
15:55 <@baudburn> Mirage: he's a fucking senior developer here
15:55 <@someninjamaster> geez
15:55 <@baudburn> if it doesn't hav ea gui, he can't do it.
15:56 <@Evilpig> alright I am getting out of this place and heading back to ky now.  talk to y'all later 
15:56 <@baudburn> yes, fox news exemplifies journalism
15:56 <@baudburn> at it's finest
15:56 <@someninjamaster> im still looking for a true news outlet
15:56 < dc0de> baudburn next time someone asks a question like that, simply hit them in the face with a large cast-iron skillet.
15:57 <@baudburn> dc0de: oh man, i wish i could
15:57 < dc0de> sort of in a Tom & Jerry kind of way
15:57 <@Mirage> it's a hell of alot better than CNN most of the time..at least the majority of their news doesn't come from E! Online or a tabloid
15:57 <@someninjamaster> i want a news outlet that just gives raw info
15:58 <@someninjamaster> and lets the person watching make the call
15:58 <@baudburn> someninjamaster: comeon, fox news is "fair and balanced"
15:58 <@baudburn> heh
15:58 <@baudburn> rupert murdoch wouldn't lie to you.. would he?
15:58 <@Dolemite> fuck it, I've got to go home.  Geeks.com can suck on Britney's clit for all I care.
15:58 <@someninjamaster> they are all filled with bullshit
15:58 <@Dolemite> damn never ending hold queue for returns
15:58 <@someninjamaster> cnn has left wing bullshit
15:58 <@someninjamaster> fox has right
15:59 <@Mirage> http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~q/dei/pumpkindrop.php
15:59 <@someninjamaster> i want a true indi one
15:59 <@Dolemite> It's funny how right wingers consider anything centrist to be left wing
15:59 <@baudburn> Dolemite: hear hear.
15:59 <@Dolemite> CNN is about as close to center as any of them
15:59 <@Mirage> "
15:59 <@Mirage>   Denatured alcohol and boric acid to make green fire." hehhe
16:00 < remoford> someninjamaster: i think you are looking for dailykos, totally unbiased
16:00 <@Mirage> someninjamaster: you got partially right..CNN pretty much just has bullshit
16:03 <@baudburn> i get my news from NPR..
16:04 <@baudburn> but they're totally leftist, i'm sure
16:05 <@Corydon76-dig> You haven't seen left wing news until you've read Mother Jones
16:06 <@buu> Dolemite: http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8552.html
16:09  * wizardPC wanders in, and avoids the "CNN isn't left wing" statements
16:09 <@wizardPC> so I just got out of a meeting where I was informed that I will be going to St Louis every other week
16:09 <@wizardPC> ....for the next 2 years
16:12 <@buu> How far away is that
16:12 <@critch> 5+ hours
16:12 <@someninjamaster> 4 hours
16:12 <@GodFix> St Louis is like, 6-8 hours from Nashville?
16:12 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.montanameth.org/ads/run/Pri_bathroom.jpg  SFW
16:12 <@critch> I did it in just over 5 hours towing a trailer with my small car
16:13 <@Mirage> "To keep people from playing with the LN2, store the nozzle/tubing away from the dewars when you're not using it.
16:13 <@someninjamaster> 4 hours and 51 minuts
16:13 <@someninjamaster> from the center of nashville
16:13 <@someninjamaster> to the center of st louis
16:13 <@someninjamaster> wizardpc: my rifle came in
16:13 <@wizardPC> it's like a 45 minute flight
16:14 <@critch> exactly, if it is work, fly, and either get a car or take the public transport
16:14 <@wizardPC> oh im gonna be on a first name basis with the flight crew by christmas, I'm sure
16:15 <@critch> so does that mean our Mondays are going to be biweekly, or are you going to use your return time to by with your fiance?
16:15 <@wizardPC> it's going to be sketchy, but oddball and panya have access to see my schedule
16:15 <@wizardPC> I think you do, too
16:16 <@critch> Not that I know of
16:16 <@wizardPC> do you have a gmail account?
16:16 <@critch> nope, I don't want another free email spam holder
16:16 <@baudburn> gmail ftw
16:17 <@wizardPC> oh thats right, we covered that before.
16:17 <@critch> BTW, are you still going to oddballs tonight?
16:17 <@wizardPC> yes
16:17 <@critch> What time are we supposed to get there?
16:17 <@wizardPC> I dunno, but I'm gonna call him in about an hour.
16:18 <@wizardPC> I get out of here at 545 and was just going to head over there then
16:18 <@critch> okay. I have a bunch of friends that would like me to go out tonight, but I think hanging with oddball will be better for the foot.
16:19 <@wizardPC> oh definitely
16:19 <@critch> BTW, Dem talked me into a doc appointment today. Xrays show nothing wrong, just swelling still causing pain.
16:20 <@wizardPC> well thats good
16:27 <@Evilpig> i am pretty sure I am gonna go see rhps on campus at 9
16:28 <@someninjamaster> haha
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16:29 <@wizardPC> rhps?
16:30 <@someninjamaster> rocky horror picture show
16:30 <@wizardPC> ban wilpig
16:30 <@someninjamaster> hey
16:30 <@someninjamaster> thats a decent movie
16:30 <@wizardPC> on what planet?
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16:35 <@Neoteric> I have cheese in my underpants
16:35 <@wizardPC> that's not cheese---it's vaginal discharge
16:35 <@Neoteric> oh that's it's sticky
16:35 <@Mirage> http://www.darwinawards.com/personal/personal2000-25.html
16:38 <@Evilpig> wizardPC: what have you got against RHPS?
16:38 <@someninjamaster> the fact hes 70 years old
16:38 <@Evilpig> Tim Curry is the man.
16:39 <@wizardPC> i was scarred for life by that movie when I was about 16
16:40 <@GodFix> I was beat with a didlo at that show
16:40 <@someninjamaster> haha
16:40 <@someninjamaster> now im not that into the movie
16:40 <@GodFix> I was 20 when i first saw it
16:40 <@GodFix> at the old Franklin Cinema
16:40 <@wizardPC> my freinds said "hey we're going to a movie. you should come with us"
16:41  * Corydon76-dig beats GodFix with a dildo
16:41 <@GodFix> O got held down by 2 hotties while the 3rd proceeded to bludgeon me
16:41 <@wizardPC> and they didnt tell me what was about to happen to me
16:41 <@someninjamaster> haha
16:42 <@Mirage> dc0de: this one's for you... http://www.darwinawards.com/personal/personal2000-08.html
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16:45 <@critch> wizardPC: so your complaint is primarily for about not knowing about the deflowering proccess?
16:46 <@Corydon76-dig> What's the correct response when "security researchers" post a "vulnerability" that isn't?
16:46 < dc0de> rail them.
16:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Some professional idiots posted a buffer overflow error for a CLI utility that you need root privileges to run
16:47 < dc0de> heh
16:47 <@someninjamaster> critch: do you have any good advice about getting off cosmoline
16:48 <@critch> nope, never met her
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: got that FXO module back to Howard at the con.
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> thanks for trading me for the FXS
16:48 < dc0de> cordon76-dig; that's called "I'm buffer overflowing myself"!!!
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> o rly?
16:48 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
16:49 <@someninjamaster> theres not much on this rifle
16:49 <@critch> someninjamaster: I would expect you use standard bore cleaner on any metal parts
16:49 <@someninjamaster> but the accessories are freaking coated
16:49 <@ShadowHntr> hehehehe
16:49 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.break.com/index/we-didnt-start-the-viral.html
16:52 <@baudburn> ugh
16:52 <@wizardPC> critch: scarred...for...life
16:55 <@critch> hey, boss brought his htpc in, and so I have the full HD version of chuck from Monday night about to burn to DVD
16:56 < brimstone> but do you really want an HD version of chuck?
16:56 < brimstone> the show's not that good
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17:05 <@Evilpig> my enter key isn't working on the G15
17:05 <@Evilpig> I am having to hit enter on the damn number pad
17:06 <@baudburn> heh
17:06 <@Evilpig> all I did was reboot from installing palm desktop damnit
17:06 <@Evilpig> and I used the enter to login.  so not sure why it isn't working now.
17:06 <@brimstone> see what you get?
17:08 <@Evilpig> brimstone: I learned my lesson.  do not try to make the office happy by syncing up my palm and doing my hours.
17:08 <@Evilpig> having to wait on it syncing up my contacts now anyhow.  that takes a while.
17:10 <@Evilpig> HAHAHAHA
17:10 <@Evilpig> American Mediation is looking for a individual to establish a mediation office in the area. Qualify candidates will go through a 5-day formal mediation training to obtain the skills to be a mediator
17:11 <@rhia> 5 whole days to learn to mediate argumentative situations?  that's a crash course
17:12 <@buu> "Shut up, bitcvhes"
17:12 <@buu> rhia: http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8552.html
17:12 <@buu> !
17:12 <@buu> Gaze upon my links of wonder.
17:12 <@rhia> a non racist is a non term = beautiful
17:15 <@ware> hey question hax0rs
17:15 <@baudburn> ?
17:15 <@ware> i was tunneling http traffic over ssh @ work
17:15 <@ware> and a coworker said he could still see the traffic on the sonicwall because of IPS or something
17:15 <@wizardPC> "so there I was surfing porn at work"
17:15 <@ware> yeah
17:16 <@ware> but ips is incoming shit
17:16 <@baudburn> he can see traffic to the site you are relaying off of
17:16 <@ware> right, but its encrypted as far as i know
17:16 <@baudburn> yep
17:16 <@ware> thats what i told him, noob
17:16 <@ware> newbie007*
17:16 <@baudburn> he can't see what sites you are at
17:17 <@baudburn> just that a lot of ssh traffic is going to the server you sshd to
17:17 <@ware> he wants to see who can prank who the most at work
17:17 <@ware> and im doing it over 443 so it should just look like https
17:17 <@baudburn> ware: being the new guy, i'd strongly recommend you avoid that challenge.
17:17 <@ware> or i could stunnel it
17:18 <@baudburn> unless you want to be starving again..
17:18 <@ware> haha theyre all cool there
17:18 <@ware> we all had a rubber band fight earlier
17:18 <@wizardPC> thats what you think
17:18 <@Evilpig> there is truth in what baudburn speaks
17:18 <@ware> and then we turned on the bubble machine and danced around in our undies to Prince
17:18 <@ware> err
17:18 <@wizardPC> ...
17:18 <@ware> :D
17:19 <@ware> so anyone wanna goto Play with us tonight?
17:19 <@wizardPC> anyone else in nashville having problems with AT&T GPRS right now?
17:19 <@critch> yes
17:19 <@critch> err, wizardPC: yes
17:19 <@critch> figured I needed to clarify
17:19 <@wizardPC> okay so its not just me then
17:20 <@critch> about 30mins or more trying to get a mms message out
17:20 <@wizardPC> im getting "the modem has disconnected" messages when I try to go out to teh intertubes
17:21 <@critch> opera seems broken right now too
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17:22 <@critch> yep no packet data network
17:22 < dc0de> wizardPC buy dsl?
17:22 <@critch> dc0de: doesn't help when you want service to your phone
17:23 <@wizardPC> yeah DSL doesnt do my cell phone any good
17:24 <@wizardPC> ware: take note of the *proper* way to surf porn while at work--through your PDA phone with wireless internets
17:24 <@wizardPC> when the network is up
17:25 <@wizardPC> w00t its back
17:25 <@ware> i wasnt surfing anything bad
17:25 <@ware> i just think my traffic should be kept to me :D
17:25 <@critch> then you need to keep it on YOUR network
17:26 <@Shadow_Phone> tmobile doesnt allow most pron to load
17:26 <@Shadow_Phone> they even block my banner
17:27 <@Shadow_Phone> at the top of my web site www.shadow404.com
17:27 <@critch> I think at that point you have a case for yanking their common carrier exemption
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17:30 <@wizardPC> has anyone posted anything about Westboro Baptist yet?
17:31 <@ware> neg
17:31 <@wizardPC> Fred Phelps and his ilk have been hit with a $2.9 million judgement
17:31 <@wizardPC> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SKE1OO1&show_article=1
17:31 <@wizardPC> ~minilink
17:31 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/breitbart.com/2k5UP.php
17:31 <@critch> SWEET
17:32 <@wizardPC> now that needs to happen about 100 more times
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17:32 <@critch> umm, change that to $10.9 mil
17:32 <@critch> http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN3134225120071031
17:33 <@wizardPC> oh thats even better!
17:33 <@critch> The jury awarded Snyder's family $2.9 million in compensatory damages and an additional $8 million in punitive damages.
17:33 <@buu> "Most members of the church belong to his extended family."
17:33 <@buu> That's a great line.
17:34 <@Corydon76-dig> What's interesting is that I don't think the church will be able to use the bankruptcy court to duck the judgement
17:34 <@wizardPC> I always have to make sure I am no where near them, because I really dont think I could restrain myself from perforating their craniums
17:35 <@Corydon76-dig> I forget the exact phrase of the standard, but the gist of it is that if a judgement is handed down against a person (corporation in this case) and the act was considered to be deliberate, then bankruptcy doesn't let the judgement be vacated
17:38 <@critch> I'm out of here
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17:40 <@wizardPC> well I hope they all die a slow firey death
17:40 <@Evilpig> wow... so hot and frightening at the same time.  Topless drew barrymore in a shower of blood
17:41 < cwire> what's the frightening part? :-P
17:42 <@Evilpig> she looked in the mirror and was some type of weird demon
17:42 <@Evilpig> and the whole blood part
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17:45  * Shadow_Phone ties Shadow404 to channel
17:45 <@Shadow_Phone> now stay connected to channel
17:45 <@Shadow404> ok :)
17:45 <@Shadow_Phone> damn right bitch
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17:53 <@sasquatc4> ahh, nothin like havin the code servers down for half the day as an excuse to sit around and watch tv
17:55 <@ware> sasquatc4: did you goto phreaknic?
17:56 <@sasquatc4> nope
17:56 <@sasquatc4> havent been able to make it since pn8, hopefully next year, or the year after
17:59 <@ware> have you been able to attend the meetings ever?
18:00 <@sasquatc4> dont live in nashville anymore
18:00 <@ware> ahh
18:00 <@sasquatc4> went to one or two when i was there, but usually just stuck to pn's, 3 and 8
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18:02 <@ware> man. on a completely unrelated subject, anyone ever gotten your ball hair stuck in a wicker chair?
18:02 <@ware> its a prompt surprise
18:21 <@ladymerlin> whee
18:21  * Shadow_Phone points to restroom with a newly created sign with large flashing lights thats says "whee here"
18:29  * ware pees on Shadow_Phone while giving a wink and thumbs up to ladymerlin 
18:32 <@someninjamaster> haha
18:41 < dc0de> heh... watching family guy...
18:41 < dc0de> Peter Griffin Sings Rock Lobster
18:47 <@Shadow_Phone> ware: goto your channel
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19:07 <@ware> rofl
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19:33 <@ShadowHntr> yes
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> electric's back on :D
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19:39 <@someninjamaster> thats always a plus
19:39 <@ShadowHntr> hehehe
19:39 <@ShadowHntr> yes
19:39 <@ShadowHntr> you're in mt. juliet, right?
19:42 <@someninjamaster> no goodlettsville
19:42 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh
19:50 < dc0de> ShadowHntr congrats!
19:51 < eryc> earthquakes are fun
19:52 <@ShadowHntr> dc0de : about the electric? i'm happier now. now just gotta get comcast taken care of
19:52 <@ShadowHntr> eryc : i prefer them over tornadoes - you just been in one?
20:00 <@ShadowHntr> damn i'm fucking bored.
20:01 <@GodFix> I'm watching Heroes
20:05 <@ShadowHntr> GodFix : i think i'm gonna download season 1
20:05 <@ShadowHntr> i saw a few episodes over the weekend and now that i've seen a little more of it i think i may like it =)
20:09 <@GodFix> I've been watching it since Episode 1
20:10 <@sdodson> I think the problem with the episode that I saw was that it lacked the cheerleaders.
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20:20 <@Evilpig> almost time for rocky
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20:34 <@ware> werd
20:35 <@ware> whtas up
20:35 <@GodFix> good or bad idea: change jobs/companies while extreme personal issues are occuring
20:36 <@ware> good
20:36 <@tcstool> nothing much
20:36 <@ware> change is good
20:36 <+coil> change sux
20:36 <@ware> im about to goto a club and dance with nurses
20:36 <+coil> keep the change
20:36 <@sdodson> ware: going to get the funk
20:36 <@sdodson> ?
20:36 <@ware> nah
20:37 <@tcstool> Yes
20:37 <@ware> whatever i got will kill whatever they got
20:37 <@ware> believe that
20:37 <@tcstool> if it's the same ilk of chicks I saw downtown saturday night
20:38 <@ware> theyre all over the place haha
20:38 <@sdodson> geez, this phenomenon bullshit has been on for like two hours
20:38 <@SkyDog_> evening all.
20:38 <@sdodson> i wish chris angel would die
20:38 <@ware> chris angel ftw
20:38 <@GodFix> what's wrong with chris angel?
20:38 <@tcstool> yeah he's obnoxious
20:39 <@GodFix> who isn;t?
20:39 <@sdodson> It's like getting herpes from the TV. You think everything is cool, then all of a sudden it's the weekend and he's all over TV.
20:39 <@ware> http://dumb.ni.gs/~w/ware.halloween.jpg
20:40 <@sdodson> looks cool
20:40 <@SkyDog_> ware: cute.
20:40 <@ware> the other night i did the white too but its a bitch to clean off
20:41 <@ware> http://photos-465.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v154/79/115/38424465/n38424465_33154398_1161.jpg
20:41 <@ware> yes, theyre real
20:41 <@SkyDog_> heh.
20:41 <@tcstool> wear it to work tomorrow
20:41 <@Shadow404> why must cats always walk on keyboards
20:41 <@Shadow404> ware: by the way, you look like a clown on crack
20:41 <@Shadow404> good job
20:41 <@GodFix> oh, I'd slip the ole willie to em
20:42 <@ware> aye
20:42 <@ware> well ladies, i have an fbi agent and a stripper to meet up with
20:42 <@ware> so i will talk to you later :D
20:42 <@SkyDog_> ware: Enjoy. Don't get too drunk.
20:42 <@ware> no drinkin for me tonight
20:42 <@Shadow404> your mom is going as a stripper?
20:43 <@Shadow404> whats her price?
20:43 <@ware> no more during the week at least
20:43 <@ware> ill try to get some pikshurez
20:43 <@GodFix> SkyDog: How's that hup comin?
20:43 <@Shadow404> hes almost there, just a few more years GodFix
20:43 <@SkyDog_> dude, I just got in from giving out candy. I am going to fix it in a few.
20:43 <@Shadow404> nmvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
20:44 <@GodFix> I'm just messing with you. I'm so bored. playing free flash games online
20:44 <@Shadow404> damn cat hasr one paw on rtdesk and one on keybaorard
20:44 <@GodFix> and deleting spam
20:44 <@Shadow404> and noe iyd vhsdinh my fingers as i type
20:44 <@GodFix> From: sharpy64@rznet.com [mailto:sharpy64@rznet.com]
20:44 <@GodFix> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:42 PM
20:44 <@GodFix> Subject: I played with this for hours
20:44 <@GodFix> Get the original dancing bones.  http://75.18.106.166/
20:45 <@GodFix> if anyone clicks on that, they should get smacked by SkyDog
20:45 <@tcstool> yeah
20:45 <@Shadow404> im a bad neighbor
20:46 <@tcstool> enter your bank account number to play
20:46 <@GodFix> 15 mins to go
20:46 <@Shadow404> i didnt get home till 9pm, didnt have any candy to speak off
20:46 <@Shadow404> *of
20:46 <@Evilpig> what is it? i'm on my phone
20:46 <@Shadow404> so i wasnt really gonna do the whole give out candy thing either
20:46 <@Shadow404> so bleh
20:46 < dc0de> my kids brought in over 15lbs of candy
20:47 <@Evilpig> i didn't give out any candy either and I was home all night
20:47 <@Shadow404> nice, just your neighborhood?
20:47 < dc0de> and then they disrespected their mom, and can't have any until the weekend
20:47 <@Shadow404> good man
20:47 < dc0de> Shadow404 yes, we have 110 houses in the neighborhood
20:47 <@Shadow404> make them respect the man
20:48 <@Shadow404> dc0de: make that 111 houses, you forgot the hobo in the cardboard box that lives behind the entrace sign to your neighborhood that asks all the kids at the bus stop for candy
20:48 <@Shadow404> wont he be excited tomorrow morning
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20:49 <@Shadow404> so i think my cat is a snob, she sticks her nose up to fancy feast, but loves my human grade chicken fettuchini i made from scratch
20:51 <@Shadow404> GodFix: someone is hosting that from an at+t ip.
20:51 <@GodFix> I hope att is happy about that
20:52 <@Shadow404> they dont give a shit, they own a good portion of the telco in the u.s.
20:52 <@GodFix> I wonder if it makes htem hard knowing they are used to host spam
20:52 <@sdodson> wtf is it?
20:52 <@Shadow404>  i know it does when someone host spams on internap's network
20:53 <@GodFix> i bet it makes them shoot wads on each other's faces knowing that they are helping to contribute to uor measely paychecks
20:54 <@Evilpig> alot of people here and one chick that looked alot like palindrome
20:54 <@Evilpig> they're full
20:55 <@Evilpig> damnit i should have come over sooner
20:55 <@GodFix> where are you?
20:55 < cwire> wait a minute, you're out partying and you're STILL on IRC?
20:55 <@GodFix> I'm ogg in 5 minutes
20:55 <@Evilpig> campus theater
20:55 <@GodFix> oh
20:55 <@GodFix> KY
20:55 <@GodFix> they have good jelly
20:56 <@Evilpig> no came to campus to see rocky horror and didn't count on them filling up
20:56 < cwire> ohhh, well that's better
20:58 <@Evilpig> fuck it overcrowded i'll goto the bar instead
21:01 <@GodFix> time to go get laid
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21:01 <@Evilpig> hey tubby: come up and lets get blotto
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21:06 < dc0de> cwire what's up w/you?
21:07 < cwire> not much, watching ghost hunters and thinking about a bunch of stuff :-P
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21:21 <@Evilpig> so disappointing.  
21:21 <@Evilpig> I should have gone over earlier.  had no idea they'd fill that quick
21:25 <@Evilpig> holy shit.  I got almost the same email as godfix
21:25 <@Evilpig> Subject: Halloween Fun
21:25 <@Evilpig> Come watch the little skeleton dance. http://12.216.63.170/ 
21:26 <@sdodson> OMG IT MIGHT BE A WORM!
21:26 <@Evilpig> just odd on the timing is all
21:27 <@sdodson> worms spread fast
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21:30 <@someninjamaster> sweet its a .exe file
21:30 <@someninjamaster> im running it
21:33  * dc0de is off to bed.
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21:47 < digiears> evenin'
22:01 <@sdodson> clamscan ~sdodson/Desktop/halloween.exe
22:01 <@sdodson> /home/sdodson/Desktop/halloween.exe: Trojan.Peed-44 FOUND
22:02 <@sdodson> someninjamaster: ^^
22:02 < digiears> DOH!
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22:07 <@someninjamaster> hehe
22:11 < digiears> quiet night on the irc
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22:17 <@sdodson> bummer, avast doesn't flag that file as being a trojan
22:18 <@sdodson> if anyone else gets those e-mails i'd be interested in snagging a copy of the executable, it'd be interesting to see if they're all the same or if they vary and if it changes over time
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22:23 <@Evilpig> interesting point is that it made it through my grey list.  so it is either using hte computers own email client to send out or it is setting up a real server that knows how to retry
22:23 <@Evilpig> guess I could have looked at the header to see if a client was listed
22:24 <@Evilpig> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200
22:24 <@Evilpig> Received: from unknown (HELO iknbr) (71.111.114.75) by client-201.240.34.144.speedy.net.pe with SMTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:26:16 +0100
22:25 <@sdodson> whoops, avast isn't scanning my web traffic when i'm using privoxy
22:49 <@seeblind> good evening everybody
22:49 <@seeblind> SkyDog_: You still up and on?
22:49 <@SkyDog_> Yeah.
22:50 <@SkyDog_> Just fired up putty.
22:50 <@SkyDog_> Flank steak on the stove, and I am starving.
22:50 <@Evilpig> I want some
22:50 <@SkyDog_> red onion, fresh garlic, and butter.
22:50 <@seeblind> Late Dinner, eh
22:50 <@SkyDog_> Ahhh.
22:51 <@SkyDog_> and some Fajita seasoning.
22:51 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, a bit.
22:51 <@seeblind> Now your making me hungrey and i just ate.
22:51 <@SkyDog_> What can I say...
22:52 <@SkyDog_> Did you have many trick or treaters?
22:52 <@seeblind> More than last year, 30 or so. Mostly in groups of 3-4.  You?
22:53 <@seeblind> How did the little sprout like his sword?
22:53 <@Evilpig> someone get me a license for this.  http://www.markcarey.com/cgi-bin/mt/plugins/PaymentProcessing/pay.cgi?__mode=paypal_pay&id=21
22:55 <@SkyDog_> seeblind: He liked it. apparently the white hairspray didn't perform like they wanted it to, but ladyM said they didnt shake it enough.
23:03 <@seeblind> Do you want to talk about HC?
23:04 <@SkyDog_> Give me about 10 mins. Dinner is almost done, and I don't wanna run back and forth. Cool?
23:04 <@Evilpig> no.  now damnit
23:04 <@brimstone> not cool!
23:04 <@brimstone> i can't wait!
23:04 <@SkyDog_> Bastards.
23:09 <@brimstone> i'm waiting...
23:11 <@seeblind> brimstone: for?
23:11 <@brimstone> scroll up, 5 lines
23:12 <@Evilpig> I should go trim this beard and goto bed
23:13 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, we've been meaning to talk to you about that.
23:13 <@SkyDog_> seeblind: cool, din is done.
23:14 <@seeblind> nice.  So I didn't realize brimstone was interested.
23:14 <@SkyDog_> he's with strage's crew.
23:15 <@seeblind> I was wondering if you had spoken with Corydon76 about setting up a meeting with Corydon76's boss
23:15 <@Evilpig> i'm not with anyone.  i'm just a nosey ass
23:15 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: we love you that way.
23:15 <@Evilpig> or is that just an ass?
23:15 <@seeblind> you are welcome
23:15 <@SkyDog_> seeblind: i have not heard from howard.
23:17 <@seeblind> Okay.
23:17 <@juice> hi
23:17 <@SkyDog_> yo.
23:18 <@juice> what's happening?
23:18 <@SkyDog_> Talking shop.
23:19 <@SkyDog_> So I have paul held at bay while we decide on the amount of space.
23:19 <@SkyDog_> I'm really interested in the Space Park South area.
23:19 <@SkyDog_> And I feel that it's either the 2000sqft or the 4000sqft space.
23:20 <@seeblind> SkyDog_: I think we need to get word from howard first but how long should we wait for that interaction.  I don't want to wait to much longer.
23:21 <@SkyDog_> I will try and get some info tomorrow. Let's plan on having a firm decision by the end of next week.
23:23 <@seeblind> Agreed.  I want to be inclusive but we also need to get this off the ground soon.  I know you may not need the daytime space as much and we need to factor that in as well.
23:24 <@SkyDog_> True. My ultimate goal is the evening/weekend times for everyone.
23:24 <@SkyDog_> But I agree. I want to get it moving soon.
23:25 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm. Wanna work on the verbage?
23:26 <@seeblind> Verbage?  You mean bilaws?
23:26 <@SkyDog_> Yeah.
23:26 <@Evilpig> ooo I know verbage.  
23:26 <@SkyDog_> I thought you were trimmin your beard.
23:27 <@Evilpig> applying for a flikr api key first
23:28 <@seeblind> SkyDog_: it is getting late for tonight but can you send me a copy of the se2600 bilaws so that I can perpare for when we do rework the language?
23:28 <@SkyDog_> sure. will send to your hc account.
23:30 <@seeblind> We can split it up and edit as wee feel appropriate, our sections, then meet and compare.  What do you think/
23:30 <@seeblind> s/'/'/?
23:30 <@SkyDog_> deal.
23:31 <@seeblind> Let me know when it is sent so we can discuss the division of work tonight
23:32 <@SkyDog_> Cool. will have it to you in just a min.
23:33 <@SkyDog_> It's on it's way.
23:36 <@seeblind> Wow, not as much to the bilaws as I thought there would be.
23:36 <@SkyDog_> yeah, pretty scant.
23:37 <@seeblind> We both need to hammer out the mission statement.
23:37 <@SkyDog_>               well.
23:37 <@SkyDog_> yep.
23:39 <@seeblind> Once we get that the rest really falls into place.  why don't we meet tomorrow to discuss?  what is your schedule?
23:40 <@seeblind> can a meet @ JJ's be arranged?
23:41 <@SkyDog_> it needs to be tomorrow afternoon, or evening.
23:41 <@SkyDog_> i have a fair amount in the morning, and tomorrow afternoon will probably be some of Q, and some at the office.
23:42 <@seeblind> So in skydog time that means we could get together at 19:00 hours eh?
23:42 <@SkyDog_> :P You're being mean. <snif>
23:42 <@SkyDog_> What times do you have avail?
23:42 <@seeblind> I have plans from 17:00 on.  So if we can meet before then
23:43 <@SkyDog_> Sure. Catch me before lunch, and we'll make a solid time.
23:43 <@seeblind> I am being me.  Which is mean.  Because I love.  Love to hurt. hehe
23:43 <@SkyDog_> I should know how the day is fleshing out then.
23:43 <@SkyDog_> SILENCE!
23:44 <@seeblind> I keel you!!!!
23:44 <@SkyDog_> hehe!
23:45 <@seeblind> Cool.  I will call you then.
23:45 <@SkyDog_> deal. sleep well.
23:45 <@seeblind> Going to sleep now.
23:46  * seeblind rubs his eyes and turns off the monitor
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