--- Log opened Tue Oct 16 00:00:29 2007
00:02  * dasunt finds oddities in the free cddb's database.
00:08 <@dasunt> Also, I think I figured out the perfect naming scheme for ripping CDs.
00:08 <@dasunt> Artist/Year - Album/## - Title (where ## is the track number, padded to two digits).
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00:21 <@Jagobah> :o
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02:15 <@wontonjoe> morning
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07:20 <@ladymerlin> whee
07:32 <@someninjamaster>  wii
07:32 <@brimstone> hi
07:32 <+coil> wii would like to play
07:34 <@someninjamaster> http://www.godmodeonline.com/d/20071012.html
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08:03 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:51 <@Dolemite> I see that everyone has been productive while I've been gone.  Not.
08:54 <@ladymerlin> whee
09:05 <@nachoguy> mronin Dolemite
09:06 <@Evilpig> I was productive.  
09:06 <@Evilpig> I am even out of bed before 9 this morning
09:06 <@Evilpig> fuck i'm already showered and dressed too!
09:10 <@Dolemite> I left the house 10 minutes early this morning and got to work 45 minutes later than usual
09:10 <@Dolemite> two words for you
09:10 <@Dolemite> rain
09:10 <@Dolemite> Nashville
09:10 <@Dolemite> 'nuff said
09:10 <@Evilpig> people in nashvegas are stupid in the rain
09:10 <@Evilpig> I gotta get going
09:10 <@Evilpig> http://plugins.movabletype.org/refeed/  <--  the foaf worked.  :)
09:10 <@nachoguy> what, is Nashville in souther California or something now?
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09:13 <@baudburn> wee
09:17 <@someninjamaster> w00t 10.5 release in 10 days
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09:20 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : You could spill a 12 oz. bottle of water on the interstate in Nashville and everybody would slow down to 15 MPH just to make sure that they don't hydroplane.
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09:25 <@nachoguy> ahh, you wacky southern  bastards
09:25 <@nachoguy> I hope Dementia knows/lerns how to drive when she moves up here
09:26 <@nachoguy> the last thing we need is another illegal alien driving on our roads
09:26 <@nachoguy> damn northwestern hoosiers
09:26 <@Dolemite> why drive when you've got the L?
09:26 <@nachoguy> depends on where and when you're going
09:27 <@Dolemite> yah, I know
09:27 <@nachoguy> I don't take the L, I take the metra (I'm a bit further out of the city
09:27 <@nachoguy> )
09:27 <@Dolemite> but at least you've got an option
09:27 <@Dolemite> they have a commuter train in Nashville, now, but only from the I-40 E side of town
09:27 <@nachoguy> it's great for going to sox games
09:27 <@Dolemite> And it only runs during normal M-F 7a-7p times
09:28 <@Dolemite> Plus I think they run it on Titan game days
09:28 <@nachoguy> yeah, I wish metra ran more like the L did
09:28 <@nachoguy> s/did/does
09:28 <@nachoguy> the L is 24/7
09:28 <@Dolemite> The next leg is *supposed* to be on my side of town, connecting Murfreesboro to Nashville
09:28 <@nachoguy> just late at night it's not as often
09:29 <@nachoguy> the metra line I take is every hour at it's busiest, and it doesn't run after 11:30 ish
09:29 <@nachoguy> I've had to cab it home a couple of times when I get stuck at the office late
09:29 <@Dolemite> Well public transport is best when it can replace the need for a vehicle, not just substitute for occasional trips
09:29 <@nachoguy> yeah, I'm kinda pissed that my line also doesn't run on weekends
09:29 <@nachoguy> I WOULD take it into the city, because I hate driving in
09:30 <@nachoguy> my main route in is (has been for like 3 years) under construction
09:30 <@Dolemite> Well seeing as how it will cost about $10 to park downtown at night I could see a train that ran late at night on at least Fri/Sat as being a good option for a lot of people
09:30 <@nachoguy> secondary is either wide open or gridlocked, depending on the time of day
09:30 <@nachoguy> $10?  $10!?
09:31 <@nachoguy> what down in Nashville?
09:31 <@Dolemite> yeah
09:31 <@Dolemite> I know, I know, you'd kill for that kind of price
09:31 <@Dolemite> this is for night time parking
09:31 <@Dolemite> day time is very expensive
09:31 <@nachoguy> I was going to say, I laughed my ass off when I was down there a couple of years ago and saw parking start at $4 and go to a daily maximum of $10
09:32 <@nachoguy> there's a garage by my office.  it's $10 for the first 20 minutes
09:32 <@Dolemite> But there's very little free parking downtown...  so if Nashville wants more tourism downtown, they need to come up with a decent option
09:32 <@nachoguy> it's also $10 if you park after 3 pm and you're out by 8 AM (I'm in the financial district, so those bankers and traders get out early
09:32 <@nachoguy> )
09:33 <@Dolemite> If you're near 2nd and Broadway it's $4/half hour with a $10 cap if you get in after 6 PM.  Before 6 PM it caps at $20 or $25.
09:34 <@nachoguy> hah, Navy pier (about 4 years ago, I haven't been back since) starts at $18
09:35 <@Dagmar> People can park in the ghettos for free and then ride MTA into the downtown area
09:38 <@nachoguy> hell, it's sometimes hard to park in the ghettos here
09:39 <@nachoguy> many of them are blocks without driveways or garages, so they all parallel park on the street.
09:39 <@nachoguy> hell, even up on the northside by wrigleyville parking is a bitch
09:41 <@nachoguy> http://www.thesouthsidechicagoboardoftourism.com/sights.html
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10:06 <@Dolemite> I've decided that I'm going to put a microcontroller in my kegerator.  Other than temperature, though, I need to decide what I'm going to monitor.
10:06 <@brimstone> amount of baby
10:06 <@brimstone> % by volume
10:07 <@Dolemite> I thought about maybe putting a webcam on the draft tower and snapping a picture whenever the tap is pulled
10:07 <@Dolemite> There not an ABV sensor.
10:07 <@Dolemite> That'd be called a gas spectrometer
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10:08 <@Dolemite> I may put a contact switch on the tap...  and every time that the tap is open for longer than 2 seconds it'll count as a glass.
10:09 <@Dolemite> Either that or just time how long it takes to pour a pint and count out by the seconds that it's open
10:11 <@Shadow_Phone> Neoteric: ping
10:32 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  I wonder how hard it would be to fit a magnetic lock on the kegerator?  It would be trivial to set up a microcontroller to use an RFID interface for authorizations.
10:33 <@SkyDog_> That RFID box I bought didn't cost much.
10:33 <@Dolemite> I can get an RFID reader chip for $29 and a microcontroller board for $35
10:34 <@Dolemite> Obviously I'm skimming through that book I bought :)
10:34 <@Dolemite> MAKE:  How to Make Thinks Talk to Each Other
10:34 <@Dolemite> It's pretty good
10:35 <@SkyDog_> Bring it to PN. I wanna read it. I will get my copy soon.
10:35 <@Dolemite> I'm thinking that the best way to measure quantity left in the keg is to outfit the cap with an infrared range finder...  and based upon the distance to reflection, you'll know how much is left
10:35 <@Dolemite> But I don't know how badly they'd get gunked up with splash from the brew
10:36 <@SkyDog_> Temperature sensors down the side of the tank?
10:36 <@SkyDog_> Similar to one on a propane tank.
10:37 <@Dolemite> that's a lot of sensors and wiring
10:37 <@rhia> Dolemite: O'Reilly?
10:37 <@Dolemite> besides, the temperature should still be uniform since the entire keg is in the fridge
10:37 <@Dolemite> rhia : Yes, really.
10:37 <@Dolemite> *rim shot*
10:37 <@SkyDog_> not entirelt. The beer would be just a bit colder.
10:38 <@SkyDog_> entirely.
10:38 <@Dolemite> yeah, but still, that'll only be accurate to the scale of how many temp probes you put in
10:38 <@Dolemite> For $12.95 I can get a sensor that will work from 10cm to 80cm (31").  A keg is only 29" tall, so that's perfect.
10:39 <@Dolemite> I just don't know how well it'll work with the liquid.
10:39 <@SkyDog_> ah.
10:39 <@Dolemite> oh, crap, no that won't work
10:39 <@Dolemite> I have to be able to maintain pressure
10:39 <@Dolemite> I may have to play with thermistors
10:40 < someninjamaster_> skydog i ordered the rfid box, doorbell, electric strike combo last night
10:40 < someninjamaster_> now i just have to order the access control power board
10:41 <@Shadow_Phone> someninjamaster_: where from?
10:41 < someninjamaster_> ebay
10:41 <@Shadow_Phone> ah, got a link to the vendor?
10:41 < someninjamaster_> it was 60 buck with shipping
10:41 <@Dolemite> where are you installing this?
10:41 < someninjamaster_> on my server room
10:42 <@Dolemite> you get a motion detector for it, too?
10:42 < someninjamaster_> no
10:42 <@Dolemite> you need to
10:42 < someninjamaster_> but it has a button you mount next to the door to get out
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10:42 <@Dolemite> ok, that's what you use for magnetic locks, not electric strike...
10:42 <@Dolemite> but ok
10:43 < someninjamaster_> it came with this combo
10:43 <@Dolemite> I'll keep my mouth shut
10:43 < someninjamaster_> http://cgi.ebay.com/Electric-RFID-Password-Door-Lock-Access-Control-Combo-C_W0QQitemZ150083910917QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41978QQcmdZViewItem
10:43 < someninjamaster_> hmm
10:43 < someninjamaster_> i wonder if i should go with a mag one
10:44 < someninjamaster_> ~minilink
10:44 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/ebay.com/vI3hJ
10:46 < someninjamaster_> hmm they are another 60 bucks with shipping
10:47 <@Dolemite> You didn't buy the...  er, never mind, I said I'd keep my mouth shut
10:47 <@Shadow_Phone> oh oh oh, gotta get for the door from the garage
10:47 <@Shadow_Phone> always forget to lock it on my way out
10:48 <@Shadow_Phone> and im always carrying 3 rfid cards on me from work
10:48 <@Shadow_Phone> so that would be nic to program it with just that
10:48 < someninjamaster_> you need a access control board for the power supply
10:48 <@Shadow_Phone> oh, so its not complete?
10:49 < someninjamaster_> well you can run the lock through the reader
10:49 < someninjamaster_> but according to their site its hard on the lock
10:49 < someninjamaster_> ~minilink http://cgi.ebay.com/DIY-Door-Access-Control-Power-Supply-12V-3A-w-UPS-NEW_W0QQitemZ150085120514QQihZ005QQcategoryZ58288QQcmdZViewItem
10:49 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/ebay.com/59uE9
10:54 < someninjamaster_> dole so what is the motion detector for
10:54 <@Shadow_Phone> so when exiting
10:54 <@Shadow_Phone> if the motion detector is tripped
10:54 <@Shadow_Phone> you can exit without pushing a button
10:54 <@Shadow_Phone> great for if your carrying something heavy
10:54 <@Shadow_Phone> like equipment
10:54 <@Dolemite> prezactly
10:55 <@Shadow_Phone> like this morning when carrying a 4u dell server
10:55 <@Shadow_Phone> gah
10:55 < someninjamaster_> hmm
10:55 < someninjamaster_> im worried i would be tripping it non stop
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> na, you can tweak the range
10:56 < someninjamaster_> the rooms only 8' x 20'
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> most coem with a potientometer on the back
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> that your can adjust
10:56 <@Dolemite> it's directional
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> Dolemite: you can get directional
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> Dolemite: if thats a small room
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> it may be best to use a pressure mat
10:56 <@Shadow_Phone> would solve all the problems
10:57 < someninjamaster_> yeah
10:57 < someninjamaster_> hmm
10:58 < someninjamaster_> i wonder if there would be a way to activate the switch from my desk
10:58 <@Dolemite> depends on the controller
10:58 <@Dolemite> but if you get a full fledged system it'll take additional inputs
10:59 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, a simple low voltage swith hooked up to an rf receiver
10:59 <@Shadow_Phone> you can get an rf kit for cheap
10:59 <@Dolemite> however a $60 ebay special...   well I said I'd keep my mouth shut
10:59 < someninjamaster_> go ahead
11:00 < someninjamaster_> i know its a pretty shitty lock
11:00 <@Dolemite> I guarantee it has no logging
11:00 < someninjamaster_> im the only one with a key
11:00 <@Shadow_Phone> are you the only one that should have acces or grant said access?
11:00 <@Dolemite> so all you're doing is wasting money on a toy that serves the same purpose as a physical key
11:01 <@Shadow_Phone> but it locks it self
11:01 < someninjamaster_> but i dont want to have to dig in my pockwt for a key
11:01 <@Shadow_Phone> much safer over al
11:01 <@Dolemite> there are locks that do that
11:01 < someninjamaster_> the alternative lock i was looking at was 100 bucks
11:01 <@Shadow_Phone> gah, im just trying to justify more electronics, heh
11:05 < someninjamaster_> you can always use more electronics
11:06 < someninjamaster_> for 150 you can get one that logs
11:06 <@Shadow_Phone> http://www.rfmicrolink.com/pressure_mat.html
11:06 <@nachoguy> dolemite, this book: http://www.amazon.com/Making-Things-Talk-Practical-Connecting/dp/0596510519   ?
11:06 <@Dolemite> ~minilink
11:06 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/amazon.com/xaL1V
11:06 <@Dolemite> Yes, that's it
11:07 < someninjamaster_> i wonder if i can put one of the rfid dimes inside of my watch
11:07 < someninjamaster_> and it still work
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11:49 < someninjamaster_> sorry network issues
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12:08 <@Evilpig> bah
12:08 <@Evilpig> hate missouri
12:20 <@critch> hey pig, have you used the WOW in game voice chat yet?
12:25 <@Evilpig> yeah it kinda blows
12:25 <@Evilpig> actually.... it really blows
12:25 <@Evilpig> but to make it sound worth a shit.  crank your mic level WAY up then in the game turn the mic boost up as well.  if you are still using vent or teamspeak crank their outbound levels down to compensate for the gain
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12:27 <@critch> not using anything else yet, afaik vent and teamspeak don't work under linux, and I haven't tried
12:27 <@critch> Haven't tried the WOW stuff yet either, but mom wants to play tonight and wants to talk instead of type
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12:33 <@Evilpig> vent has a linux client I think
12:34 <@baudburn> yar
12:34 <@critch> last I checked they had been working on it
12:34 <@baudburn> for the record, throwing people off roofs and slamming them into walls with the wiimote is fun as hell
12:34 <@critch> are you playing WII-Voodo?
12:35 <@baudburn> godfather
12:39 <@ware> baudburn: did you graduate from vanderbilt?
12:39 <@baudburn> ware: yup, twice
12:40 <@baudburn> undergrad/grad
12:40 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: ping
12:40 <@ware> k you got a new friend on facebook
12:40 <@Dolemite> ware : I noticed that Mickey D's on Hwy 96 by I-24 is accepting applications from 7a-11a on Mondays.  *hint*
12:40 <@baudburn> ok cool
12:40 <@Dolemite> NotLarry : ping pong show?
12:41 <@baudburn> confirmed
12:41 <@Shadow_Phone> man, thats just mean
12:42 <@Shadow_Phone> gotta have a high class job like "sanitary engineer'
12:42 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: Happy boss's day, since I'm not there I am just gonna get the kids to take me out to eat instead:)
12:43 <@Dolemite> Ah, how thoughtful
12:43 <@Dolemite> None of the other minions even mentioned it
12:43 <@NotLarry> I suck up with the best
12:43 <@NotLarry> except for that game with zafar yesterday...
12:44 <@Dolemite> hahahaha
12:44 <@Dolemite> so you beat him, eh?
12:47 <@NotLarry> yeah, it was a very good game though.  I think he playes closer to my lvl than anyone else I have played
12:47 <@NotLarry> Long volley's and such.
12:48 <@NotLarry> holy shit - Meningitis Alert -
12:48 <@Dolemite> Heh, apparently you're just now getting to your email
12:49 <@critch> that was in the news at least 2 days ago
12:52 <@NotLarry> critch: YEah, but I don't have technology where I live and at work I try to avoid actually hearing what is on the "news" :)
12:53 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: I didn't get to bed till after 1 last night.  Got some friend of evilpig that wants me to look at ther computer, then I got to replace the exhaust and power steering hoses and make two costumes for halloweeen
12:53 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: don't lie.  i've seen your mess you have technology all over theplace at home
12:53 <@critch> no nudity, but questionable work safety level, http://hilldill.bigcartel.com/
12:53 <@NotLarry> At my wife's place, but I don't stay there
12:54 <@NotLarry> I live in Tenn
12:54 <@Evilpig> I was about to ask if she emailed you cause I haven't had the time or energy to talk to her
12:54 <@NotLarry> And today, when I was at her house, is when I discovered the Meningitis Alert
12:54 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, system32 made the irc stats
12:54 <@Evilpig> what program was she needed loaded?
12:54 <@Shadow_Phone> It seems that sYsTeM32's shift-key is hanging: 4.4% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
12:54 <@Shadow_Phone> For example, like this: <sYsTeM32> ROFLMAO!
12:55 <@Shadow_Phone> coil wrote the shortest lines, averaging 20.0 characters per line.
12:55 <@Shadow_Phone> sYsTeM32 was tight-lipped, too, averaging 21.5 characters.
12:55 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: She got her program loaded, but now sometimes the cursor changes and the whole system makes noise, I was in another dimention when she described it to me (wal-mart parking lot) and really don't know.
12:55 <@SkyDog_> Gonna have the people from RedBull stop by the con. woohoo!
12:55 <@Evilpig> well as long as you got her straightened out then all is good
12:56 <@NotLarry> I am gonna go look at it after this coffee.
12:57 <@nachoguy> baudburn, what game lets you throw people around with the wiimote?
12:58 <@baudburn> nachoguy: godfather
12:58 <@nachoguy> neat
12:58 <@baudburn> ya
12:59 <@nachoguy> I had almost forgotten how cool the wii was (it's been like 10-11 months since I played it), and then I got to play it Friday night
12:59 <@Dagmar> Are we allowed to make fun of why it tastes so foul?
12:59 <@nachoguy> I needs me one of those
12:59 <@baudburn> its fun
12:59 <@Dagmar> My Wii is in there telling me I have messages or something
12:59 <@Dagmar> I should go check it
13:00 <@baudburn> they still need to do something with the networking
13:00 <@baudburn> friend codes are lame.
13:01 <@baudburn> the wii finally surpassed the xbox right?
13:01 <@Shadow_Phone> i need to go wii
13:02 <@Shadow_Phone> brb
13:02 <@Mirage> If they come through with the controls they claimed in interviews, this game will be my cause for a wii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJrV11TUa8
13:03 <@baudburn> what's with teh controls?
13:03 <@Mirage> They claim they are working on making interactive lightsaber fighting
13:07 <@NotLarry> Mirage: Are you in a guild?
13:07 <@Dagmar> That would be *sweeet*
13:08 <@Mirage> NotLarry: no. i keep getting invited, though
13:08 <@critch> ohh, you gotta love the top slashdot story
13:12 <@Evilpig> lovely.  that school that had the "bomb threat" yesterday just had their T1 go down
13:12 <@baudburn> nice
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13:17 <@nachoguy> Piggie, whatever happened with the 3r33t h4x0rz?
13:17 <@Evilpig> nothing yet.  I am headed to that school after I leave this one.
13:20 <@Evilpig> scottco-r4.gw.more.net  <-- currently down. looks to be an upstream problem though.  
13:21 <@nachoguy> http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=214
13:23 <@Evilpig> jesus christ.  I need to look at their proxy logs when I getthere.  from 10am to when the router went down they pulled 1.2GB through the proxy server
13:24 <@nachoguy> wtf kind of bandwidth does taht school have?
13:24 <@Evilpig> 3MB
13:26 <@Evilpig> this doesn't make sense.  I know they only have 3MB but the traffic site says they have alot more
13:26 <@Evilpig> Max  In:   1274.6 kb/s (83.0%)  Average  In:   372.1 kb/s (24.2%)  Current  In:   642.7 kb/s (41.8%)
13:31 <@Corydon76-lap> Evilpig, bits vs bytes?
13:32 <@ladymerlin> wontonjoe: ping
13:37 <@Evilpig> maybe.  but even then that would only be 1.5Mb
13:38 <@Corydon76-lap> Um, what?
13:39 <@Corydon76-lap> How is 1200kb/s greater than 3000kb/s?
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13:53 <@someninjamaster> w00t rfid
13:54 <@Mirage> someninjamaster: in case you missed it, i found my ibutton kit.  i'll bring it to PN for you
13:55 <@Evilpig> it isn't showing 3000.  that 1200 would be closer to 1.5MB instead of the two T1s they should have is what I was saying
13:56 <@someninjamaster> cool
13:57 <@someninjamaster> oops i left off the end of that
13:57 <@someninjamaster> w00t my rfid lock shipped
13:57 < remofor1> what are you putting an rfid lock on?
13:57 <@someninjamaster> my server room/ office
13:58 < remofor1> your chastity belt?
13:58 < remofor1> ah
13:58 < remofor1> getting all professional
13:58 < remofor1> now you just need a hand scanner
13:58 <@someninjamaster> i looked into them
13:58 < remofor1> the ones ive seen are pretty lame
13:58 <@Evilpig> you're pretty lame.
13:58 < remofor1> i always got a better score by ursing my other hand on it upside down
13:59 < remofor1> just an outline
13:59 <@Corydon76-lap> remofor1, Howard is looking forward to speaking with you at PN
13:59 < remofor1> yay
13:59 < remofor1> im looking forward to speaking with him also
13:59 <@Corydon76-lap> Spend some time on 9 with him
13:59 <@someninjamaster> we should have got remoford to roll the t- shirts
13:59 <@someninjamaster> hes a rolling expert
14:00 < remofor1> someninjamaster: stfu
14:00 <@Corydon76-lap> He'll be doing some internal training while at PN
14:00 <@someninjamaster> haha
14:00 < remofor1> someninjamaster: only if your talking about rollin in the caddy
14:00 < remofor1> i just got it fixed and it runs liek greased lighting now
14:00 <@someninjamaster> the one scott sent into the ditch going 40 backwards
14:00 < remofor1> no
14:01 < remofor1> ive got a 96 fleet
14:01 <@someninjamaster> ahh
14:01 < remofor1> sucker is fast now that all 8 fire
14:01 < remofor1> Corydon76-lap: thanks for the introduction btw
14:02 < remofor1> so does anyone know a cheap way to disable traction control?
14:08 <@nachoguy> there isn't a button?
14:08 <@someninjamaster> or a fuse
14:08 <@nachoguy> you might read the fuse panel.  On some cars, when the right fuse blows (or is removed) traction control is disabled
14:08 <@nachoguy> much like ABS
14:08 <@nachoguy> yep
14:09 < remofor1> a fuse sounds like a good idea, there is no switch or button
14:16 <@nachoguy> my buddy had a truck, and it had a button right next to the windshield wiper controls.  Really odd place, I thought
14:17 < remofor1> ill look and see
14:23 <@Shadow_Phone> remofor1: or you could get the maintnence book for the car, find the right wire and put a switch in line so you can turn it off and on at will
14:24 <@someninjamaster> why do you want it off
14:25 <@nachoguy> peel outs, more power
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14:26 <@dc0de> wheeee!
14:26 <@dc0de> my friggin foot hurts.
14:46 <@sdodson> http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20071016.html
14:49 <@someninjamaster> haha
14:49 <@someninjamaster> now i want dual moniters
14:49 <@critch> someninjamaster: I am sitting at 3 monitors
14:50 <@critch> BUWAHAHAHAHA
14:50 <@dc0de> I'm sitting in a recliner
14:50 <@dc0de> buhahahahahahahaha
14:51 < remofor1> someninjamaster: actually
14:51 < remofor1> its the turning radius
14:52 < remofor1> if i cant do a jturn at will
14:52 < remofor1> i cant turn the fuck around
14:53 < remofor1> it just cant turn around in 3 lanes without getting into the grass
14:54 <@baudburn> i have 3 monitors, but 8 video outs right now.. buahaha
14:54 <@baudburn> 4 more monitors coming
14:54 <@dc0de> well my penis is smallest... so there.
14:54  * dc0de has thrown down the gauntlet!
14:54 <@Corydon76-lap> dc0de, nah, I think ware has the smallest
14:54 <@dc0de> heh.
14:55 <@someninjamaster> will imacs support dual screen
14:55 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: you ready for PN??
14:55 <@Corydon76-lap> Getting there
14:56 <@sdodson> do imacs even have video outputs?
14:56 <@Corydon76-lap> I'll be ready for PN come Friday morning
14:56 <@Corydon76-lap> sdodson, which ones?
14:56 <@Corydon76-lap> The original iMacs did not
14:56 <@baudburn> i should be around friday afternoon
14:56 <@baudburn> i'ma troll vandy friday mornin
14:56 <@someninjamaster> what about the new ones
14:56 <@baudburn> visit the old profs and what not
14:56 <@Corydon76-lap> baudburn, you'll be missing the first half of the talks
14:57 <@baudburn> Corydon76-lap: i couldn't care less about the talks.. i rarely ever go to them anyway :)
14:57 <@baudburn> i'm there to party with my friends
14:57 <@Corydon76-lap> Great... I'll be doing the first talk on Saturday
14:58 <@someninjamaster> this will be the first one i have gone to more than one talk
14:58 <@someninjamaster> come to think of it
14:58 <@baudburn> <-- hasn't even looked at the talk list
14:58 <@baudburn> i'm a bad hacker, i guess.
14:58 <@someninjamaster> the only phreaknic talk i have been to is catonic's on wifi at 9
14:59 <@someninjamaster> corydon what are you doing one on
15:00 <@Corydon76-lap> nonprofit tax status
15:00 <@Corydon76-lap> All the accountants should be riveted
15:01 <@SkyDog_> Afternoon all.
15:01 <@someninjamaster> oh shit is skydog_
15:02 <@someninjamaster> s/is/it's
15:06 < remofor1> howdy skydog
15:21 <@nachoguy> baudburn, what are you using that has 8 vid outputs?
15:21 <@nachoguy> 4 dual head cards, 2 matrox triple head and a dual?
15:21 <@critch> I have a quad out card
15:22 <@nachoguy> critch, the one with the built in pci bus?
15:22 <@critch> I used to use 5 monitors at once
15:22 <@critch> yep
15:24 <@nachoguy> I always wanted to get something like this: http://www.technoland.com/tl_bp20s18p.htm  and pack it full of either networking cards, or video cards
15:26 <@critch> damn, someone in england set a no reserve auction up for the same bike I have. Currently only going for GBP 100.00
15:27 <@critch> wonder what shipping from england would run. Couldn't ride it home.
15:30 <@nachoguy> critch, sure you could, you just have to drive fast enough that the surface tension would hold you
15:30 <@nachoguy> get a good head start
15:30 <@brimstone> or fill the ocean with cornstarch...
15:30 <@critch> heh, not enough range on the tank to complete the trip.
15:30 <@nachoguy> good call on that brimstone
15:42 <@Dolemite> You could drive it home...  just wait until the Arctic freezes over, take the chunnel from England to France, then go up through Scandinavia to the Arctic Circle and back down through Canada
15:42 <@Dolemite> But yeah, refueling would be a bitch
15:43 <@critch> I think that is if the arctic freezes. Also the bike doesn't run well in those temps
15:43 <@Dolemite> The Arctic still freezes in the winter.
15:43 <@Dolemite> It's just this year that a complete Northwest Passage opened up for shipping lanes
15:43 <@Dolemite> From that non-existent global warming 'n stuff
15:45 <@Dagmar> New disk is in.  YAy
15:45 <@Dagmar> I was half hoping it wouldn't arrive so I'd have an excuse to postpone getting Phearkitty working again
15:53 <@Dolemite> Corydon76 : So how many pieces do you have folded now?
15:55 <@Corydon76-lap> 250
15:55 <@Dolemite> sweet!
15:55 <@Dolemite> Only 400 more to go!
15:56 <@Corydon76-lap> I'll fold 100 more.  Someone else can do the additional 300 pieces.
15:56 <@Dolemite> ware's unemployed.  He's got plenty of time to fold.
15:56 <@Corydon76-lap> I'm afraid we'd get aluminum beer bongs, not hats
15:57 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the instructions on how to fold the hat that go in the containers
15:58 <@SkyDog_> Maybe not hte type of bong you're thinking of.
15:58 <@SkyDog_> and then we would only get a few.
15:58 <@Dolemite> er
15:58 <@Dolemite>  /msg skydog_
15:58 <@SkyDog_> Yeah yeah... Working on it.
15:58 <@SkyDog_> The instructions will be folded to fit into the containers, so no folding will be necessary.
15:59 <@Dolemite> yeah but we've still got to do all the assembly on Thursday evening
15:59 <@Dagmar> When will the cumberland room be avilable?
16:00 <@Dagmar> I'm probably going to be doing a lot of last-minute crap and it might be more useflu for me to drag the hardware down and just do the final config there so I know what fiddly bits i might need to get from RadioShack
16:00 <@Mirage> what's that for?
16:00 <@Corydon76-lap> If you have the pieces available Thursday morning, I can start on that
16:01 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I'm going to set up yet anotehr recording source
16:01 <@Mirage> ah, ok
16:01 <@Dagmar> I gotta back up Phearkitty's drive tomorrow when I get home so I can wipe it and put Myth on it for the second frontend I'll need
16:01 <@Dolemite> Dagmar : You need to do that from your room, not the Cumberland room
16:02 <@Dagmar> ...hah
16:02 <@Mirage> or maybe in the closet where the firewall is?
16:02 <@Dolemite> There's no cable feed in there
16:02 <@Dagmar> I just need some place to stick two mid tower boxes and a video/audio feed into them
16:03 <@Dolemite> We aren't adding anything else to the A/V setup.  Period.
16:04 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to go pick up 2.0
16:17 <@NotLarry> oh yes
16:18 <@Mirage> oh, no
16:22 <@SkyDog_> do it!
16:25 <@NotLarry> signed up for cingu7lar data
16:26 <@Mirage> hence the 'mobile' address you're logged into my box from..?
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16:36 <@NotLarry> no officer, I was not lvling my priest while I was driving
16:36 <@NotLarry> I was trying to get kara attuned
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16:45 <@Mirage> SkyDog_: ping!
17:10 <@dc0de> Bow chick a wow wow...
17:13 <@ware> tcstool: ping
17:13 <@ware> dammit
17:13 <@ware> poll, do places usally drug test on the 2nd interview?
17:14 <@ware> i thought IT people in decent positions didnt get tested
17:14 <@dc0de> ware: stop doing drugs... make's it easier.
17:14 <@Evilpig> if you are looking for a job the best rule of thumb is to not have anything in your system
17:14 <@dc0de> and no, it's the higher up you go, the more likely you[re going to be tested.
17:15 <@NotLarry> higher, more likely, I see what you did there
17:15 <@ware> blah! pot should not be illegal
17:15 <@Evilpig> whta is it with end users that constantly call me about how to retract an email they've sent out?
17:15 <@dc0de> Evilpig: they're stupid?
17:15 <@NotLarry> I was in the office when chuck got the news
17:15 <@Evilpig> that is the best answer I can give.  NotLarry you missed the part where I told her how and she was too stupid to do it
17:16 <@SkyDog_> Mirage: Pong
17:16 <@Evilpig> in groupwise as long as the email was just sent internally there is a "RETRACT" button
17:16 <@Evilpig> guess what that does?
17:16 <@NotLarry> Thats what matt and I were talking about
17:16 <@NotLarry> We thought groupwise was more server controled.
17:16 <@Mirage> SkyDog_: Marion needs the large file graphic.
17:17 <@Evilpig> it is
17:17 <@Evilpig> she's retarded
17:17 <@Evilpig> and anyone that sends an email shouldn't EVER count on something being able to be recalled
17:17  * dc0de has 250rds of .45, 200 33db earplugs, 12 brand new safety glasses, 1500+ rnds of .22lr, he thinks he's ready for the geek shoot
17:18 <@NotLarry> no lie
17:18 <@NotLarry> We talked about that too
17:18 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/retract.jpg
17:18 <@Evilpig> there look
17:19 <@NotLarry> ok evilpig, the school has been notified that you will be picking up the notkids
17:19 <@NotLarry> 852k and bandwidth tester
17:19 <@NotLarry> yeah, I don't think that button is big enough:)
17:20 <@NotLarry> s/and/at
17:21 <@Evilpig> the problem is.  they called me and said "I sent an email out how do I stop it?"
17:21 <@Evilpig> I said:  "Internal or External"  once they said internal I told them it had already been delivered.  External you can sometimes stop at the gwia before it is delivered but internal is a simple move in the database.
17:22 <@Evilpig> So my next response was try to retract it.....
17:22 <@Evilpig> the answer I got from them was they were goign to log into everyone's mailbox and delete the message.  Changing 128 people's email passwords
17:23 <@NotLarry> ladymerlin: ping
17:23 <@ladymerlin> sup
17:27 <@NotLarry> Dolemite:  you around?
17:30 <@NotLarry> Mirage: when I take that box of old patch cables out to the dumpster, does the little gold car count as a dumpster?
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17:35 <@NotLarry> well, that was interesting
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17:49 <@Mirage> NotLarry: technically it probably needs to be placed next to or behind the dumpster, then after work moved to the gold car
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18:00 <@sdodson> baudburn's comments make me wonder.  Should we even do talks?
18:02 <@Corydon76-lap> Uh, we have to, for our tax exemption
18:03 <@Corydon76-lap> No tax exemption for partying
18:03  * sdodson worries that's the only reason they're there
18:03 <@Corydon76-lap> I enjoy them, as well, when I can get to them
18:04 <@sdodson> I'm totally going to bitch at some people if they hang around outside the presentation room yapping about how big their egos are.
18:04 <@sdodson> I don't think it was that bad last year, but the year previous it was annoying.
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18:12 <@Mirage> I'm sure if they start debating on how big something else is we could talk Corydon76 into judging for them
18:14 <@Evilpig> but I made signs to hold while I stand outside that room describing my ego
18:24 <@someninjamaster> haha
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18:27 <@wontonjoe> ok just thought pn coordinators might want to know the fellow at the front counter had no idea what phreaknic was, kinda makes reservations hard
18:29 <@Mirage> you called the right place, right?
18:29 <@wontonjoe> yup the one on the phreaknic.info
18:30 <@Mirage> did you get a reservation placed?
18:30 <@wontonjoe> he told me he wasnt aware of any block of rooms
18:30 <@wontonjoe> ya but at 109 a night
18:30 <@Mirage> so long as you have a reservation we can get you on the on rate
18:30 <@Mirage> er, on the pn rate
18:31 <@wontonjoe> ok in that case should i call up and add thursday back i took it off and was just gonna wander around all night because of the high rate
18:31 <@Mirage> just be sure to get with one of us to make it happen
18:31 <@wontonjoe> will do, im coming in sometime thursday around 4pm hopefully
18:31 <@Mirage> we'll be around on thurs..
18:35 <@wontonjoe> man were getting close to time
18:35 <@dc0de> wontonjoe: are you bringing the knife?
18:35 <@wontonjoe> the knife from defcon?
18:36 <@Mirage> wontonjoe: I dunno who you talked to, but I just called and the guy I got knew exactly what PhreakNIC was, etc
18:36 <@wontonjoe> wait, please specify
18:36 <@dc0de> the odd looking knife that we all bought? You, shadowmoss and I?
18:36 <@wontonjoe> hmm, maybe he just didnt understand me
18:37 <@wontonjoe> dc0de are you sure that was me, i dont remember this
18:37 <@dc0de> wontonjoe: doh, it was oddball.
18:37 <@wontonjoe> sorry for the trouble mirage
18:37 <@dc0de> wontonjoe: my confusion.
18:37 <@Mirage> wontonjoe: np..yer good at it..=P
18:38 <@wontonjoe> it happens beleive me im doing it more and more everyday dc0de
18:38 <@dc0de> wontonjoe: I have alzheimers, but at least I don't have alzheimers...
18:38 <@wontonjoe> lol oh no now im getting the title of troublemaker, all I do is work good god :)
18:38 <@Mirage> who are you?
18:39 <@wontonjoe> hmm who am I, thats a complicated question
18:39 <@wontonjoe> let me see if i can find me in a pic
18:41  * Mirage was makeing fun of the alzheimers comment
18:41 <@wontonjoe> oh ok lol
18:43 <@Mirage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXOg23pGeA
18:44 <@wontonjoe> mirage he is funny as hell
18:46 <@Corydon76-lap> svn diff
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18:56 <@wontonjoe> svn diff?
18:56 <@wontonjoe> corydon sorry i missed your call on that mac when you were down this way
18:57 <@wontonjoe> i passed out
18:57 <@Evilpig> http://se2600.org/ircstats/pics/  <--  wontonjoe last pic
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19:07 <@Corydon76-lap> wontonjoe, I'm here today, if you want to get me that Mac
19:07 <@Corydon76-lap> Still gotta finish up some emails before I leave
19:08 <@Corydon76-lap> 445 Jan Davis Drive, Room 212, if you want to drop by
19:10 <@sdodson> booty call!
19:15 <@Corydon76-lap> How long does it typically take for new posts to show up on bugtraq?
19:15 <@sdodson> It's a moderated list.
19:18 <@Corydon76-lap> Well, I'll check again when I get home.  Two hours won't kill them.
19:18 <@Corydon76-lap> wontonjoe, ping
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19:31 <@wontonjoe> ok so the plan is ebay my way to pn
19:31 <@wontonjoe> yes i had the money then i put 200 dollars into the gf car
19:44 <@brimstone> you got to be quick
19:45 <@brimstone> plus, pn is only like, $21, plus room, $60~$120
19:46 <@NotLarry> well now
19:46 <@NotLarry> Time to climb into the atic and run cat5
19:46 <@Evilpig> I thought you were just using wifi?
19:48 <@nachoguy> GAH
19:49 <@nachoguy> the hell with ldap, syncrepl, tls, radius, pam, et al.  everything should be flat files made of XML
19:50 <@dc0de> nachoguy: stop smoking crack, it's making you stupid
19:50 <@sdodson> nachoguy: YAY!
19:50  * sdodson is sad that he never got terribly far with his LDAP implementation
19:51 <@nachoguy> dc0de, nah just a retarded boss who likes to make me migrate servers after they've been named, and have certs made for them and the host names are in a dozen config files all over the company
19:51 <@brimstone> horray!
19:51 <@nachoguy> sdodson, actually I'm doing pretty good on this 9th reimplemmentation of it
19:51 <@dc0de> nachoguy: sounds like you need a solid LDAP infrastructure with a centralized DNS
19:51 <@nachoguy> just stupid things like this cause issues
19:51 <@sdodson> I was always in favor of having a CNAME for everything
19:52 <@dc0de> Novell makes a great one
19:52 <@nachoguy> fuck that
19:52 <@brimstone> why not use Active Directory?
19:52 <@sdodson> that way if mail.foobar.com needed to move to it's own machine, it was cool
19:52 <@brimstone> it's basically ldap right?
19:52 <@dc0de> brimstone: because Novell has more security
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19:52 <@brimstone> nachoguy, i'm fighting just that at work
19:52 <@sdodson> "more security"
19:52 <@sdodson> "Now with 32% more security"
19:52 <@nachoguy> sdodson, it depends on what hostname the cert uses
19:53 <@nachoguy> also when me move machines, part of their hostname is their location
19:53 <@nachoguy> which datacenter...
19:53 <@nachoguy> that sort of thing
19:53 <@sdodson> nachoguy: Right, but most things other than name based vhosts you can do fairly easilly, no?
19:53 <@dc0de> nachoguy: change the naming structure.
19:53 <@sdodson> ahh
19:54 <@NotLarry> go trojans
19:54 <@nachoguy> dc0de, no, god no.  it's the only thing that keeps some sanity around here
19:54 <@dc0de> nachoguy: LDAP and DNS have text fields/records
19:55 <@nachoguy> "I'm on node 17 aand it's broken"  "which cluster, which datacenter"
19:55 <@nachoguy> yeah, and I may push DNS in LDAP at some point here (I did at my last place), but I'm just trying to be done with this project for a little while.
19:55 <@NotLarry> who is in charge of security this year?
19:56 <@dc0de> NotLarry: hospitality
19:56 <@dc0de> TieFighter
19:57 <@sdodson> NotLarry: Deez Nutz Inc.
20:03 <@nachoguy> woo, fixed the problem, yet another hardcoded hostname.  yay!
20:03 <@nachoguy> later guys
20:05 <@sdodson> have you ever tried managing things with configuration tools?
20:05 <@sdodson> like cfengine or puppet?
20:10 <@ware> werd up
20:10 < eryc> dns names should be assigned to network interfaces and cnames to services
20:11 < eryc> server names should be a cname to the mgmt interface
20:11 <@sdodson> makes sense
20:12 <@brimstone> wait, i'm lost
20:12 <@sdodson> you mean the OOB management?
20:12 <@brimstone> so 10.0.0.2 has the A name: fred
20:12 <@brimstone> and www. is a CNAME to fred?
20:13 < eryc> fred-if0.company A 10.0.0.2
20:13 < eryc> fred.company CNAMe fred-if0
20:13 < eryc> www.company CNAME fred-if0
20:13 <@brimstone> ah, ok
20:13 <@brimstone> www.company CNAME fred.company?
20:13 <@brimstone> or no?
20:14 < eryc> nah
20:14 < eryc> i prefer the interface for debugging purposes
20:15 <@Mirage> www CNAME <f.q.d.n>.
20:15 <@sdodson> Anything more than a hand full of machines and i'd assume you want to go with something like
20:16 <@sdodson> nyc-a1-5-if0  nyc, rack a1, machine 5, if 0
20:16 < eryc> i would rather put the row/rack/shelf in a TXT record
20:17 < eryc> then if you need to redesign the floor plan dns isn't too involved
20:17 <@brimstone> oh, that's slick
20:17 <@sasquatc4> sumna bitch, and so it begins, RIAA Sues Usenet.com
20:17 <@brimstone> $ host -t TXT fred-if0.company.internal.
20:17 <@sdodson> RIAA is going to start winning and people are gonna bitch like mofos
20:17 <@sasquatc4> ahh well, least they go for a shitty and non-reputable provider first, compared to the top 3 providers out there
20:18 <@sdodson> WHAAAA WHAAA I GOT CAUGHTZ
20:18 < eryc> i also put a cname to the mgmt interface, so, fred-mgmt.company CNAME fred-if0.company  && fred.company CNAME fred-mgmt
20:18 < eryc> that way you can reassign the server name to another interface but still retain a -mgmt host for all servers
20:19 <@sdodson> what if the management interface is completely separate?
20:19 < eryc> and other stuff
20:19 <@sdodson> like out of band stuffz
20:19 < eryc> well then you won't need -mgmt records i guess
20:19 <@brimstone> /dev/ttyS0
20:19 < eryc> it depends but you may not need a record for the hostname at all
20:20 <@brimstone> you can have 256 USB devices on a bus right?
20:20 <@sdodson> Ya, I'm getting rid of all these various out of band management interfaces.  Screw that, serial console and remote powerswitch is simple and universal
20:20 < eryc> or you could pick a side, pub/private and refer to it as the hostname
20:20 < eryc> everything is moving to IPMI and BMC
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20:20 <@sdodson> Not really, some vendors are refusing to do IPMI 2 in favor of SMASH.
20:21 < eryc> oh? okay
20:21 <@sdodson> If everyone were down with one it'd be great.
20:21 < eryc> i've not heard of SMASH
20:21 <@brimstone> i don't know what SMASH is but i love it's name
20:21 < eryc> me too
20:21 <@sdodson> HP doesn't seem to be down with IPMI 2.  IPMI 1.5 is pretty universal though.
20:21 <@Mirage> makes me wanna destroy something..=)
20:21  * sdodson points at brimstone
20:22  * brimstone ducks
20:22 <@Mirage> You're the one that mentioned HP..which brings on the urge that much more
20:22 <@nachoguy> yay!  missed my train
20:22 <@nachoguy> next one, hour and 45 minutes away
20:23 <@sdodson> you can stay and shoot the shit with us now!
20:23 <@sdodson> Mirage: I like HP stuff.
20:23 < eryc> its too ugly
20:24 <@sdodson> http://www.dmtf.org/standards/mgmt/smash/
20:24 <@sdodson> ugly compared to what?
20:24 < eryc> its like an overcast day with blood colored bezels
20:24 <@sdodson> New SUN stuff is nice looking
20:24 < eryc> yea i used to make fun of sun for all the purple
20:24 < eryc> i like the new scheme
20:24 <@sdodson> dell stuff looks nice with bezzels
20:24 <@Mirage> yeah, the new sun look is kinda sexy
20:24 <@sdodson> IBM looks utilitarian
20:25 < eryc> dell stuff looks nice in the dark
20:25 <@sdodson> you mean it's ugly or the nice blue glow?
20:25 <@sdodson> The new bezels lack that in favor of a LCD panel with blue or amber backlight
20:25 < eryc> all that shininess is a bit loud in the light
20:25 <@sdodson> we've got one prototype machine that's like a lightswitch rave
20:25 < eryc> i was walking past a cage the other day and noted all the nice blue glowing
20:25 <@nachoguy> those new dell blue lights are like fucking lasers
20:26 <@nachoguy> don't look straight at one
20:26 <@sdodson> blue, green, red, amber, white LEDs all going on and off like mad
20:26 <@sdodson> time to go workout or something
20:27 <@Mirage> apple's are cool in the dark too
20:27 <@sdodson> I don't have any apple
20:27 <@Mirage> we've got a couple racks of them
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20:30 <@Dolemite> I've got a feeling we're going to be shaking my keg of pumpkin ale back and forth on Thursday night to force carbonate it
20:30 <@nachoguy> I'll help
20:30 <@Dolemite> It's cold, but still flat
20:30 <@Dolemite> I cranked up the CO2 pressure a bit to make the carbonation go faster
20:31 <@ware> Dolemite: !
20:31 <@ware> i haz a 2nd interview tomorrow at tcs
20:31 <@Dolemite> warebe0tch!
20:31 <@Dolemite> Well you'd better get a job out of this
20:31 <@ware> h0efully have a job by close of business tomorrow
20:31 <@Dolemite> otherwise I 'spect to hear about your interview at McDonald's on Monday
20:31 <@ware> haha
20:31 <@ware> unfortunately for every one at phreaknic tho, im not drinking at all this weekend
20:32 <@sdodson> ware: you need to learn business speak "COB"
20:32 <@ware> i haz a vow of sobriety
20:32 <@sdodson> why?
20:32 <@ware> well i may start it after this weekend
20:32 <@ware> cause i love yall
20:33 <@ware> but ive found its something that needs to happen
20:33 <@ware> like fasting or something, to strengthen the mind!
20:33 <@sdodson> ramaware
20:33 <@Dolemite> ware : Oh, cool, so I don't owe you a beer anymore.
20:33 <@Dolemite> That's more craft beer for nachoguy
20:33 <@Mirage> damn, you do that and we might start liking you and have to find some other tweaker to poke fun at
20:34 <@Dolemite> Assuming that nachoguy even likes the pumpkin spice ale
20:34 <@sdodson> That's cool, you'll be sober to kick catonic's ass when he strangles you while drunk
20:34 <@ware> rofl
20:34 <@sdodson> Dolemite: so I think I'm seriously going to look at senior noc/dc management as a career path
20:35 <@nachoguy> sdodson, it's cool, so long as you have full control
20:35 <@sdodson> Maybe it's a bad move.
20:35 <@sdodson> Maybe Google will be the only fish in the pond a year or two from now.  Oh well.
20:35 <@Dolemite> I enjoy my job
20:36 <@Dolemite> There are a lot of private companies that hire on data center and facilities managers
20:36 <@nachoguy> as soon as you're doing it but kowtowing to someone who doesn't know United Parcel service from an uninterruptible power supply
20:36 <@nachoguy> that's when trouble starts
20:36 <@sdodson> I wish what I did now was a bit more professional. But it's still a good learning experience.
20:36 <@Dolemite> Nashville is currently a hot bed of activity for data centers.  However, none are colo facilities.
20:36 <@nachoguy> Chicago is hurting for colo space
20:37 <@Dolemite> Nashville is, too, but everybody here is building private data centers.
20:37 <@nachoguy> we're moving out of one of ours becasue we wanted 3 more racks, and they had none, they're full up
20:37 <@Dolemite> There are several banking data centers here after the 9/11 issues.
20:37 <@sdodson> Silly, you guys know the future is going to be locked up in a Google and Amazon DC in the middle of fucking no where within a few years, right?
20:38 <@Dolemite> Maybe for internet hosting, but certainly not for private nets
20:38 <@dc0de> sdodson: which is why I'm buying land in "BFE"...
20:38 <@Dolemite> Gartner is now saying that designs for new data centers should start at a minimum of 500W/sf.
20:38 <@sdodson> I dunno DC space where no one wants to live and stuff that's near power plants is hot.
20:39 <@sdodson> That's up from current?
20:39 <@Dolemite> High density is the management challenge that will be focused on for the next 10 years.
20:39 <@Dolemite> sdodson : 90s data centers were on average 45W/sf
20:39 <@dc0de> Datacenters need to find a better power distro methodology... ditch AC, and move to DC...
20:39 <@nachoguy> dc0de, BFE only works, if you can get fiber out there for a decent price
20:39 <@dc0de> nachoguy: in BFE, there are sonnet rings.
20:39 <@Dolemite> Sure, once the manufacturers start cranking out DC power supplies on their systems
20:40 <@Dolemite> I'd love to go all DC
20:40 <@nachoguy> dc0de, and you'll pay out the ass for it
20:40 <@Dolemite> But for now it's all 208VAC
20:40 <@sdodson> Dolemite: I'm around 140W/sf
20:40 <@dc0de> nachoguy: take a look at barrow county georgia...
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20:40 <@dc0de> it's not out the ass...
20:40 <@Dolemite> sdodson : Your room is so small that it skews the numbers.
20:41 <@Dolemite> 1000 sf is the minimum for that to really mean anything
20:41 <@sdodson> Ya.  16'x20'  10 racks
20:41 <@Dolemite> I'm hitting 100W/sf in my 1800sf data center.
20:41 <@sdodson> Why do you think private DC space won't get parked in BFE?
20:42 <@dc0de> http://www.rackable.com/products/icecube.aspx?nid=datacenter_5
20:42 <@dc0de> I think it absolutely WILL get placed in BFE.
20:42 <@Dolemite> There will be some in BFE, but there will still be a large presence in cities
20:42 <@dc0de> http://www.rackable.com/products/dcpower.aspx?nid=datacenter_0
20:43 <@dc0de> ^^^ DC Power Distro
20:43 <@nachoguy> sdodson, I'm just saying that it won't be just anywhere BFE, it'll be BFE close to the main internet backbone
20:43 <@dc0de> also drops the thermal load on the DataCenter
20:43 <@sdodson> Just have two major DC farms on each side of the continent, a few hundred miles in from the coasts.
20:43 <@Dolemite> Yes, I know about DC power distribution.  Does no good when you still can only get an AC power supply for the IBM x3850.
20:43 <@dc0de> nachoguy: not with higher speeds moving out to BFE.
20:43 <@dc0de> look at where FIOS is...
20:44 <@sdodson> 3850 is a big ugly beast
20:45 <@sdodson> It's either that or 3800 i'm thinking of.  7U with wheels on the bottom or rack mount "conversion" with 10 3.5" drives.
20:45 <@Dolemite> 3850 is 3U
20:45 <@nachoguy> dc0de, yeah, I know where FIOS is, not my house =<
20:45 <@dc0de> nachoguy: there are spots of "BFE" with FIOS
20:45 <@Dolemite> ok, time to go watch tv and fall asleep on the couch
20:45 <@sdodson> I hate bandwidth nutters.
20:49 <@nachoguy> night Dolemite
20:49 <@dc0de> who has the "better" cellular internet services?
20:49 <@dc0de> l8r Dolemite
20:49 <@nachoguy> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/16/2334253
20:49 <@dc0de> sdodson: I think that datacenters will be highly distributed, and not at major POP's in the next 10 years
20:50 <@dc0de> nachoguy: hah... that's funny
20:50 <@nachoguy> dc0de, it depends on the area.  around here Verizonhad the best, cingular was passable, but the new sprint one being rolled out is supposed to kick ass
20:56 <@nachoguy> so what time are you guys going to be at PN?
21:02 <@wizardPC> thursday noon
21:04 <@nachoguy> looks like we'll be rolling in about 6-8ish Thursday night
21:04 <@nachoguy> depends on traffic, and how much time we spend at the liquor store Thursdaymorning
21:08 <@nachoguy> gah, there's only so many times you can reload fark.com
21:08 <@nachoguy> I'll be back, I'm going to wander around the office a bit and see if there's any unguarded food
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21:09 <@sasquatc4> uggh, once again i want to stab tnt/tbs in the face, they have the original hd episodes of the office, yet they cram in them into letterboxed format, squishing everything
21:09 <@sasquatc4> when for the love of god, will they learn how to broadcast in hd
21:10 <@dc0de> heh...
21:10 <@dc0de> that's why I haven't bought an HD tv yet.
21:10 <@sasquatc4> well most stations arent too bad, but those 2 are horrible, they always fuck up the aspect ratios, always
21:11 <@dc0de> I'm not going HD until I'm forced to...
21:11 <@sasquatc4> but of course since most people stretch out the picture anyway on a 4x3 station, since 'they hate black bars', they probably love it, or think its normal
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21:11 <@Neoteric> anyone have the "hacker-inside" art?
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21:23 <@Mirage> for?
21:23 <@dc0de> temporary tattoos
21:23 <@Mirage> the favicon from the pn site should be big enough for that on the little asian
21:24 <@dc0de> heh
21:29 <@freakn> http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=hacker+inside
21:31 <@nachoguy> ok, I'm out of here
21:31 <@nachoguy> later guys
21:34 <@sdodson> I get all the major broadcast networks in HD, yay
21:38 <@sasquatc4> at least the public networks usually do a job on hd, its the rest of em that need alot of work
21:38 <@sasquatc4> *good
21:38 <@sdodson> So what's the tally on #se2600 folks not going to PN?
21:39 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: you're not going are you?
21:39 <@sasquatc4> nope
21:39 <@sdodson> you suck
21:39 <@sasquatc4> maybe in 2 years
21:39 <@sdodson> coil... who else?
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21:49 < jb7od> vroom!
21:49 < jb7od> i wanna race skydog, i'm gettin a crew together from square d
21:50 < jb7od> anybody know how many teams so far?
21:51 < jb7od> skrrrrt!!
21:55 < jb7od> hi coil
21:55 < jb7od> long time no see there buddy.
21:59 <@dc0de> jb7od: race?
21:59 <@Mirage> skydog + race == wifi race..duh!!
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21:59 < jb7od> haha
21:59 <@Evilpig> ooo oo I can do that too
22:00 <@sasquatc4> i need to yell at goat to show up there and regain our title
22:00 <@Evilpig> skydog + gay = ummm I think I messed the format up
22:00 <@dc0de> hey, you never know, jb7od might want to race SkyDog_ on the streets...
22:00 <@Mirage> sasquatc4: just yell at goat and call it good.
22:00 < jb7od> tokyo drift, bwoi!
22:00 < jb7od> lol
22:00 <@Mirage> sasquatc4: is he planning on coming to the con?
22:00 <@sasquatc4> hehe, true
22:00 <@sasquatc4> i doubt it
22:01 < jb7od> good to see ya sasq
22:01 <@Mirage> sasquatc4: doesn't suprise me..he just dropped off the face of the earth.  keeps spouting off some lame excuse about having to work for not makingh meetins
22:02 <@sasquatc4> yea, i havent talked to him in a few months, prolly the last time i was back in tn
22:02 <@Mirage> which was probably about the last time he made it to a meeting
22:06 < jb7od> anyway it's not looking like we're getting the oil-drum-tenna together for this one... with it's broomhandle sized copper antenna..
22:06 < jb7od> so there's a chance.
22:07 <@Mirage> I can just hear it.."well, we had the signal and were tracking ther 'rabbit,' but we couldn't catch up because of the drag from our antenna"
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22:08 < jb7od> haha.. but that's okay becuase we can get on from 8 miles away
22:08 < jb7od> just cut it on and win
22:09 <@Mirage> Why not just get a hot air baloon and track it from the air..
22:09 <@Stefanie_TN> "Shoot a geek today!" - ???
22:09 < jb7od> that's awesome!
22:09 <@SkyDog_> Evening all.
22:09 < jb7od> you're hired
22:10 < jb7od> hi doggy woggy
22:10 <@Mirage> SkyDog_: whatever you do, don't scroll back
22:10 <@SkyDog_> heya jb!
22:10 <@Mirage> =P
22:10 < jb7od> skrrt! I wanna race this year
22:10 < jb7od> how many teams have come forth?
22:11 <@SkyDog_> I have not asked. I imagine 5-6 at least so far.
22:12 < jb7od> i have some square d homies riding with this time..
22:12 <@SkyDog_> Max of 4 People....
22:12 <@SkyDog_> "_
22:12 < jb7od> i think there'll be 3 of us at the most
22:12 < jb7od> i hope...
22:12 <@SkyDog_> That's cool.
22:13 <@Evilpig> SkyDog_: why can't there be more if say someone brings....  a large van with some bench seating in the back for more bodies?
22:13 <@SkyDog_> I have to finish up the trophy...
22:13 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: Cause there can only be 4. I said so.
22:13 <@SkyDog_> and you're disqualified if you have more. How's that?
22:13 <@Evilpig> well you're a jew
22:14 <@Evilpig> I don't think I entered but at least I know I have been disqualified already
22:14 <@SkyDog_> Shut up you funking fatass!
22:15 <@Evilpig> that reminds me of this thing I heard on the radio today.  
22:15 <@Evilpig> which bot googles now?
22:15 <@Evilpig> ~google for living XL catalog
22:15 <@sdodson> your web browser
22:15 <+MxZBot> Google says living XL catalog is at http://kateharding.net/2007/05/15/living-xl/ or http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/05/30/new_catalog_caters_to_living_large_with_big_toilet_seats_chairs/ or http://www.livingxl.com/
22:15 <@Evilpig> try the last one.  see if that is a catalog for morbidly large folks
22:15 < jb7od> yikes.
22:16 <@Evilpig> they were reading htat thing today talking about some "leg strap" that was like 30" long and you can use to left your feet without bending your knees....
22:16 <@Evilpig> and something about some toenail clippers that were like 18" long?  or longer maybe
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22:17 <@sasquatc4> yea, this thing, http://www.livingxl.com/store/en_US/catalog/browse_sku.jsp?clear=true&catID=cat40203&prodId=X1196&id=cat40203
22:18 <@sdodson> http://www.livingxl.com/store/en_US/catalog/browse_sku.jsp?clear=true&catID=cat40204&prodId=X1102&id=cat40204  awesome name
22:18 <@Evilpig> http://www.livingxl.com/store/en_US/catalog/browse_sku.jsp?clear=true&catID=cat40203&prodId=X1189&id=cat40203  <-- leg lifter
22:20 <@Evilpig> and the extra wide toilet seat. http://www.livingxl.com/store/en_US/catalog/browse_sku.jsp?clear=true&catID=cat40187&prodId=X1327&id=cat40187
22:20 <@Evilpig> 1200lb capacity....
22:21 <@sdodson> I hate taking a crap in a toilet that's not elongated
22:21 <@sasquatc4> somehow i think you got bigger issues if you need a toilet with 1200lbs capacity, such as the issue of getting to the toilet
22:21 <@sasquatc4> but then again, maybe thats where the leg lifts come in
22:21 <@Evilpig> the bicycle seat is something else....
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22:28 <@sdodson> http://www.livingxl.com/store/en_US/catalog/browse_product.jsp?clear=true&catID=cat40212&id=cat40212 interesting they offer them in varying ages of the wood
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22:47 <+coil> hi jb7od
22:52 <@sdodson> apparently Colbert just announced he's running for president?
22:53 <+coil> uau
22:53 <+coil> yay
22:54 <@SkyDog_> Maybe Jon Stewart. Dunno that I would vote for Colbert.
22:54 <@SkyDog_> Does he run on the dick and fart jokes platform?
22:54 <@sdodson> he's just too much BS
22:54 <@sdodson> ya, too much silly antics
22:55 <@Mirage> SkyDog_: After GW I'd probably vote for howdy-doody
22:55 <@Evilpig> hrmm..  I should run then.  crap not old enough yet
22:55 <@sdodson> how old do you have to be? 35?
22:55 <@Mirage> So sick of bullshit news and politicians
22:56 <@SkyDog_> Mirage: He's got better diction and a much better demeanor.
22:56 <@Evilpig> mcdonalds really needs to plan for their online contests better
22:56 <@Mirage> 35 for pres/vp and 30 for congress if i remember correctly
22:56 <@Evilpig> 35?  thought it was 45
22:57 <@Mirage> "In the United States a person must be at least 35 to be President or Vice..."
22:57 <@Mirage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_candidacy
22:57 <@Evilpig> nice
22:58 <@Mirage> 30 for senate and 25 for house
22:58 <@sdodson> boycot mcdonalds!
22:58 <@Mirage> i thought both houses of congress were the same, but i guess not
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23:15 <@dasunt> I've gone 10 months without sex.  <_<
23:15 <+coil> goto strip club
23:15 <@dasunt> I want my sex STD-free, thank you very much.
23:16 <+coil> craigslist
23:17 <@sdodson> that's scary
23:17 <@sdodson> does that stuff actually happen?
23:18 <+coil> probably
23:18 <@dasunt> Craigslist?
23:18 <+MxZBot> craigslist is particularly dry today.
23:18 <@dasunt> Or strip club sex?
23:18 <+coil> yes those are the only two option
23:18 <+coil> s
23:18 <+coil> choose wisely
23:19 <@dasunt> My brain is in that nasty "well, it may not be a totally bad idea" stage where Craigslist almost sounds doable.
23:19 <@Evilpig> the bot is so wise
23:19 <@dasunt> I keeep telling my brain that although, yes, kidney dialysis can keep me alive for years afterwords, I still don't want to wake up in a bathrub missing both my kidneys.
23:20 <@dasunt> And my brain replies:  STFU, it may be a chance to breed.
23:20 <@dasunt> Stupid evolution.
23:20 <+coil> just bring a knife
23:20 <+coil> and slash a bitch
23:21 <@sdodson> dasunt: hint, don't take advice from coil
23:22 <+coil> wtf did i do
23:22 <@dasunt> sdodson: I've gotten laid before, it is clear I don't.  :p
23:22 <+coil> yeah stfu sdodson
23:23 <@dasunt> coil: You have a GF yet?
23:23 <+coil> why would i need a gf?
23:24 <@dasunt> Hands cause chaffing?
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23:24 <@sdodson> I think coil is into dudes.
23:24 <+coil> i have a bf...
23:24 <@dasunt> What?
23:24 <@dasunt> Didn't know that.
23:25 <+coil> ...
23:25 <@dasunt> You just give the impression of a bitter heterosexual that doesn't get a lot from women.  :p
23:26 <+coil> no im just bitter
23:26 <@dasunt> It isn't that bad of a thing to be.
23:45  * dasunt listens to obscure metal bands.
23:45 <@dasunt> Emo-sounding songs.
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23:51 <@SkyDog_> Yo.
23:51 <@wontonjoe> what up FOO!
23:51 <@SkyDog_> I may be picking up a few wireless mics tomorrow.
23:51 <@wontonjoe> nice
23:52 <@wontonjoe> thatll make the presentation video sound much better at times, ive noticed it fades sometimes with the cameras used, do you guys generally use wireless mics at pn, or is this new?
23:53 <@SkyDog_> We've used them before.
23:53 <@SkyDog_> We have tethered mics now, but I think I will buy some new wireless mics.
23:55 <@wontonjoe> ah my statement was somewhat inaccurate then, wireless mics are cool stuff
23:56 <@wontonjoe> so my wonderful employer gave me thu-sun off on the schedule before i went to thirds but stated since im on thirds i must find someone to trade with now, the only hours that have been taken are by the other third shift guy and he took thursday and sunday, which really dosent help :(
23:56 <@wontonjoe> im gonna forward my boss the hours taken in the morning and see if he cant "encourage" some folks to help out
23:57 <@SkyDog_> cool. If you quit this job to attend PN, we get to tar and feather you.
23:58 <@wontonjoe> hell no im not gonna quit
23:58 <@wontonjoe> i mean i love pn, but theres always next year worst case
23:58 <@SkyDog_> good.
23:59 <@someninjamaster> skydog which mics are you looking a
23:59 <@SkyDog_> Nady. Well, either a single nady, or a dual Gem.
23:59 <@SkyDog_> Depends on whether the Gem has two outputs, or just one.
23:59 <@someninjamaster> uhf or vhf
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