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00:06  * Catonic pokes palindrome 
00:06 <@palindrome> ooff
00:06 <@Catonic> http://www.baconsaltblog.com/
00:07 <@Catonic> que pasa?
00:13  * Catonic wanders off
00:17 <@juice> <ffbw> dir c:\windows\*.exe /s  ;  dir c:\windows\*.com/s  ;  this is wolfeinstein's hidden windows treasure sw-s.
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00:20 <@dasunt> Tired.
00:20 <@dasunt> I should sleep.
00:24  * Catonic wanders back
00:25 <@Catonic> take pills
00:25 <@Catonic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin
00:25 <@Catonic> uh... boggle.
00:27 <@dasunt> Catonic: I'm on almost gin-and-tonics.
00:27 <@dasunt> http://xkcd.com/318/
00:29 <@Catonic> http://xkcd.com/316/ why didn't I think of this?!!!
00:35 <@Catonic> grumble
00:35 <@Catonic> have to get up in 8 hrs
00:35  * Catonic stalks off to bed
00:35 <@dasunt> Catonic: You need a woman first.
00:35  * dasunt has to get up in 6.5 hours.
00:36 <@Catonic> shit, I can rent one of those.
00:38 <@dasunt> Catonic: The rentable ones have a lot of miles, typically.
00:38 <@Catonic> if you obsess over how many miles a girl has on her, you're seriously limiting your availible pool to work in
00:38 <@Catonic> doesn't really matter.
00:38 <@Dagmar> Not to mention low mileage == problem
00:38 <@Catonic> well, there are a few reasons, but that's another topic
00:39 <@Catonic> yeah, a lack of experience and some preconcieved notions could seriously limit potential fun
00:41 <@dasunt> Catonic: Well, I'm not worried about a girl who has a lot of experience with a few people.
00:41 <@dasunt> It is the girl that has a little experience with a lot of people.
00:41 <@dasunt> There's nothing wrong with it, but I suspect that a woman who lives her life that way probably doesn't share the same values I do.
00:41  * dasunt shrugs.
00:42 <@Catonic> hey man, some women want to have fun at some point... try out a lot of stuff... most people do it at college
00:42 <@Catonic> our state's senior senator is married to a professor at the university of alabama.
00:43 <@Catonic> prolly his second wife, but you get the idea
00:43 <@Catonic> actually, I don't know why I brought that up
00:43 <@Catonic> there's an easier way to put it...
00:43 <@Catonic> any woman willing to sleep with you has to be willing to sleep with a certain subset of guys under a certain set of circumstances.
00:44  * dasunt shrugs.
00:44 <@dasunt> I never said I wanted a virgin.
00:44 <@Catonic> you probably definately don't
00:44 <@Catonic> because there's that question of doubt... what's this like?
00:45 <@dasunt> I've had a virgin before.
00:45 <@dasunt> Meh.
00:46 <@Catonic> well, go deflower some more
00:46 <@dasunt> Okay, I'm not trying to insult anyone or anything, but a girl who makes it to my age while keeping her virginity is going to make me reconsider her.
00:52 <@Catonic> don't go down that road
00:52 <@Catonic> that's a bad one
00:52 <@Catonic> chances are she's crazy as hell
00:52 <@Catonic> and you're done with crazy
00:52 <@Catonic> im done with consciousness
00:52 <@Catonic> later
00:54 <@dasunt> Catonic: Wrong:  I naively assume I'm done with crazy.  In actuality, I'll probably end up with a different flavor of crazy.
00:55 <@Catonic> Dagmar: I think he needs a trip to SF more than I do.
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02:11 <@NotLarry> Mirage you there?
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02:44 <@NotLarry> http://www.murraystate.edu/chfa/ModernLanguages/cinema.htm
02:53 <@NotLarry> Mirage: Where are you?:)
02:53 <+Coil> NotLarry,
03:06 <@NotLarry> yes?
03:07 <+Coil> ping
03:07 <@NotLarry> pong
03:08 <+Coil> k just checking, you may go back to your regularly scheduled program
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03:41 <@evilDagmar> Fucking Comcast needs to get the hint about service reliability
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04:25 <@Mirage> NotLarry: what?
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04:43 <@NotLarry> http://www.carsecurity1.co.uk/autoTaser.htm
04:43 <@NotLarry> ~minilink
04:43 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/co.uk/DdYMq.htm
04:43 <@NotLarry> http://www.taser.org/autotaser.html
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04:47 <@Mirage> anyone got a box on the net i can scan w/ nmap?  testing firewall rules
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04:49 <@Mirage> nm..hammering skydog's box..hard..=)
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05:16 <@NotLarry> Mirage you still up?
05:17 <@Mirage> nope
05:17 <@Mirage> ZZZzzzZZzz
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06:43 <@ladymerlin> whee
06:52 <@I-MOD> having fun over there?
06:53 <@ladymerlin> eh
06:58 <@I-MOD> only eh?
06:58  * I-MOD wants fun
06:59 <@ladymerlin> pretty much, sitting at work
06:59 <@I-MOD> ditto
07:01  * dc0de is off to infosec nashville 2007...
07:05 <@evilDagmar> Hmm...
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07:56 <@sdodson> yay sinus infections
08:02 <@Jagobah> =[
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08:46 < poiupoiu> sup
08:49 <@ware> hai
08:52 <@shadowmoss> Catonic: ping
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09:03 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:03 <@shadowmoss> it is
09:08 <@SkyDog_> Morning.
09:17 <@Evilpig> someone call a doctor.  skydog said morning and it isn't afternoon
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09:33 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: Yeah, I know. Gotta drive to chattanooga this morning, and had to stop into the office.
09:33 <@SkyDog_> I wondered what mornings looked like nowadays...
09:52 <@rhia> sigh, Darwin award winner that got away:
09:52 <@rhia> http://www.local6.com/news/14139408/detail.html
09:55 <@ladymerlin> i willnever understand what makes people think stuff like that is a good idea
09:58 < poiupoiu> rhia: we can only hope that we have better luck next time
10:00 < poiupoiu> "It is kind of my own stupid fault."
10:00 < poiupoiu> kind of?..
10:00 <@rhia> hehe, yeah, that's what sealed it for me
10:03 <@rhia> wonder who else he thinks shares the blame
10:05 <@ladymerlin> the snak of course
10:05 <@ladymerlin> snake
10:05 <@ladymerlin> or his friends for tellinghim to do it
10:05 <@ladymerlin> lol
10:09 <@Evilpig> looks like this "minor codeset update" was the problem with this program that hasn't worked for the last 7 months
10:18 <@brimstone> so, is there some global network suckage today?
10:21 <@ware> ~google for global network suckage
10:21 < vapor_pda> crappy downloads there brimstone?
10:21 <+MxZBot> Google says global network suckage is at http://blog.megacity.org/archives/2003_07.php or http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-52696.html or http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/more-vista-suck.html
10:21 <@brimstone> no, high latency
10:22 < vapor_pda> dunno what ta tell ya there.  I am getting 60ms response times to yahoo.com
10:23 < vapor_pda> my internets are good.
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10:26 < poiupoiu> brimstone: i couldn't tell you right now: my connection completely sucks here
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11:01 < vapor_pda> bb on later.
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11:17 <@ShadowHntr> *yawn*
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11:18 < poiupoiu> mmhmm...
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12:06 <@ware> oops
12:06 <@ware> retry
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12:11 <@ShadowHntr> sup ware
12:12 <@ware> notta
12:12 <@ware> werkin
12:13 < vapor_pda> I love conference calls.  they make wonderful nap time...
12:14 < poiupoiu> just gotta keep the snoring down
12:14 <+coil> mute works wonders
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12:26 <@Pr0nStrGeek> well... it's official... i booked my hotel room...
12:26 <@Pr0nStrGeek> for all who care... i will not be singing karaoke this year... lol
12:27 <@dasunt> What a PITA.
12:28 <@Pr0nStrGeek> ??
12:28 <+coil> just get drunk enough
12:28 <@dasunt> I'm on a DSL modem right now that, for some reason known only to Gods and Demons, only routes to certain networks.
12:28 <@Pr0nStrGeek> yes yes... that was the problem last year, coil...
12:28 <@Catonic> I just woke up
12:28 <@dasunt> I'm trying to update it.  Update site loads, the site to download the firmware doesn't.
12:28 <@Pr0nStrGeek> the drunker you get, the blurrier the line gets for "too drunk to sing"
12:29 <@dasunt> So, my shell account server is routeable, so I get to bounce the firmware through that.
12:29 <@dasunt> Ah, it has downloaded.
12:29  * dasunt waves.
12:29 <@Catonic> ssh -D8080 -L8001:www.google.com:80
12:29 <+coil> hi
12:29 <@dasunt> If I go idle, that probably means I've bricked the DSL modem.  ;)
12:30  * coil cuts off dasunt's power
12:30  * Catonic wraps coil up and throws him in the trunk of a caprice and pushes it into the river
12:31 <+coil> what did i do to you Catonic ?
12:31  * coil gets out of the car
12:31  * coil speeds off
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12:31 <@Catonic> you've been on the rag for like weeks
12:32 <+coil> lies
12:32 <+coil> well send me some weed and ill be chill again
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12:42  * critch contemplates the cost of poison ivy and it's classification as a weed.
12:43  * ware tests critch's theory and smokes some poison ivy, ending up in the hospital for 3 days and dies. must reroll character
12:43 <@Shadow_Phone> lawl
12:44 <@Shadow_Phone> to much WoW for you
12:56 <@Dementia> Afternoon folks
12:56 < vapor_pda> holla
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12:57 <@Catonic_lp> sup Dementia
12:57 <@someninjamaster> wizardpc : ping
12:57 <@Dementia> just werkin
12:58 <@Shadow_Phone> meow
12:58 <@Shadow_Phone> howz ya been Dementia
12:59 <@Dementia> okay
12:59 <@Shadow_Phone> sorry i missed D*C, had a change of plans at the last second
12:59 <@Shadow_Phone> kind of a guilt trip thing by the gf
12:59 <@Dementia> s'ok, I hardly saw most of the people I knew there since it was so crowded
13:00 <@Dementia> you still put up with that shit?
13:00 <@Shadow_Phone> was it worst then last year?
13:00 <@Dementia> Oh yes. IMO way too damn many people. I may not be back.
13:00 <@Shadow_Phone> well, the guilt trip yeah, cause i had promised something
13:00 <@Shadow_Phone> and i dont like breaking promises
13:00 <@Dementia> Well, if you promised that's different.
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13:01 <@nachoguy> Shadow_phone, I learned early on, don't make promises unless you're sure that you can do what you said you'd do
13:01 <@Shadow_Phone> nachoguy: well this is one that i forgot and got reminded of
13:01 <@Shadow_Phone> it was an easy one to keep, but easy to forget
13:02 <@Dementia> I need a couple cheap SD USB adapters. Anyone know if Consumer Depot has em?
13:03 <@Shadow_Phone> microcenter, but thats in marietta
13:03 <@Dementia> yeah, I was thinking local.
13:03 <@someninjamaster> i didnt relize they were still open
13:04 <@Evilpig> Dementia: I would assume compusa would.
13:04 <@Evilpig> call there and ask the guy in the camera section
13:04 <@Shadow_Phone> someninjamaster: yeah, they're hanging on
13:04 <@Dementia> Yeah, but they're probably charging $10 a pop for em
13:05 <@Evilpig> that isn't that pricey
13:05 <@Shadow_Phone> thats actually cheap
13:05 <@Dementia> Not when I can order them for $4.50 shipped
13:05 <@Shadow_Phone> yeah, but shipping cost?
13:06 <@Evilpig> get them to pricematch.  heh
13:06 <@Dementia> I just said "$4.50 shipped"
13:06 <@Shadow_Phone> oh
13:06 <@Dementia> :)
13:06 <@Evilpig> you know he can't read
13:06 <@Dementia> Yeah like compusa would match ebay
13:06 <@Dementia> you have a point
13:06 <@Shadow_Phone> well, then just do that
13:07 <@Evilpig> well not ebay.  but if you can get on officemax or something and find them cheap they might match it without the shipping
13:07 <@Shadow_Phone> Evilpig: i be learned on phonex
13:09 <@Evilpig> $6 for a big bowl of curry w/ chick and a thing of sticky rice isn't a bad deal at all
13:09 < vapor_pda> I picked up a small sd usb adapter a while back from CompUSA for about $10.
13:10 <@Dementia> Yah everyone local is like $10. I might stop at consumer depot on my way home, otherwise I'll just order em.
13:10 < vapor_pda> It busted but I am sure thats more my fault than its own.
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13:27 <@ladymerlin> whee
13:27  * wizardPC wanders in during lunch
13:28 <@ladymerlin> heya wiz
13:28 <@wizardPC> ah, ladymerlin, I have something to show you...
13:28 <@ladymerlin> k
13:28 <@wizardPC> http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-X-RAY-EFFECT-IR-PASS-FILTER-1000nm-XRAY-NightShot_W0QQitemZ260161450318QQihZ016QQcategoryZ64327QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
13:28 <@wizardPC> ~minilink
13:28 <+MxZBot> http://maxiez.com/l/ebay.com/HiGP7
13:28 <@ladymerlin> hehehe
13:29 <@wizardPC> the sony handycams with nightshot have a lever that physically removes the IR filter we talked about
13:29 <@ladymerlin> really..
13:29 <@wizardPC> so, just add a visible light filter and BAM
13:29 <@ladymerlin> cool
13:29 <@wizardPC> yeah, much easier than what I was trying to do with my old handycam
13:30 <@ladymerlin> thats prety cool
13:30 <@wizardPC> cuz I broke it trying to remove the filter :(
13:30 <@ladymerlin> oops
13:30 <@wizardPC> meh, it's worth about $25
13:31 <@wizardPC> anyway, that filter I linked is $50, but you can get them for $5. i only linked that one because it has pictures
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13:32 <@Mirage> yeah, but that one is free shipping, the rest probably charge $5 for the item and $45 for shipping
13:32 <@wizardPC> $20 shipping from china
13:33 <@wizardPC> but good point, i hadnt checked
13:34 <@Mirage> I just love seeing all teh custom car shit on ebay..carbon fiber hood $125, shipping $675.  How do these people think they aren't gonna get busted for fraud somewhere down the line?
13:34 <+coil> FUBADA
13:41 <@Dementia> I dunno, Mirage, ebay doesn't seem to be doing anything about all this "Item $1, Shipping $50" bs.
13:42 <@Mirage> i'm waiting for the tax fraud suits to start hitting all the businesses.  I've heard that people do that to avoid paying the commission to ebay, but also some states don't charge taxes on shipping costs.
13:43 <@Dementia> hmm. messy.
13:45  * wizardPC is on his way back to work
13:47 <@ware> http://lfgcomic.com/page/1
13:47 <@ware> Evilpig: seen that?
13:48  * Dementia waves at wizardPC 
13:50 <@ware> Dementia: do you play WoW?
13:51 <@Evilpig> huh?
13:51 <@ware> HUH? OMG IRC?
13:51 <@ware> the link i just posted
13:52 <+coil> hahaha
13:52 <+coil> wtf is irc
13:52 <@ware> I Read Computer!
13:53 <@Evilpig> yes i've seen lfg.  it was on the wow homepage a month or more ago
13:53 <@ware> pretty amusin
14:13 <@dasunt> Hmmm.
14:13 <@dasunt> Okay, this is fun.
14:14 <@dasunt> I need some help from a network guru.
14:14 <@dasunt> router is at x.161
14:14 <@dasunt> I have a 255.255.255.248 netmask.
14:14 <+coil> route add default
14:14 <@dasunt> I want to put a hardware firewall at x.x.x.162
14:14 <@dasunt> Or x.x.x.163
14:15 <@dasunt> And reserve x.x.x.164-166 for the network.
14:15 <@dasunt> Suggestiongs?
14:15 <@dasunt> I can't get it to route.
14:15 <@Evilpig> can't get stuff to run throught he firewall or the firwall itself to do any traffic?
14:16 <@dasunt> The router itself won't pass any traffic.
14:16 <@Evilpig> cause your range is 161 - 166.  usable.  so any address in there should work
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14:16 <@Evilpig> you can ping the router at 161.  and you can't ping the next hop?
14:17 <@Evilpig> why are you messing witha  firewall before you get the router working?
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14:17 <@Corydon76-vcch> dasunt: you need a net route and a host route to get that to work correctly
14:17 <@dasunt> So I have:  192.168.1.x (internal network) <----> 192.168.1.1 (firewall) x.x.x.162 <-------> ?.?.?.? (router) x.x.x.x.161
14:17 <@Corydon76-vcch> specifically, you need a host route to send stuff to .161 to the router
14:17 <@dasunt> Evilpig: The router itself is working, if I let the router do NAT.
14:17 <@someninjamaster> wizardpc: ping
14:18 <@Catonic_lp> route add $net/30
14:18 <@Corydon76-vcch> Are you protecting your DMZ with the firewall or what?
14:18 <@Evilpig> dasunt.  then set your firewall up like you would a workstation and it should work.  make sure the gateway on the firewall is .161 and you should be good
14:18 <@Evilpig> are you not getting dns or any traffic at all?
14:19 <@dasunt> The firewall is going to forward some public ip/port combos into the internal network.
14:19 <@Corydon76-vcch> or when you say firewall do you mean NAT for an internal network?
14:19 <@dasunt> Not as secure as a DMZ, I know, but it is a small setup.
14:19 <@Corydon76-vcch> Yes, but is .163 protected by the firewall or not?
14:19 <@Evilpig> in what he just described.  no
14:19 <@dasunt> Corydon76-vcch: Dunno.  I have .162 and .163 as "free" addresses.
14:20 <@Corydon76-vcch> Okay, so it's even easier.  Default route is .161 from the NAT box
14:20 <@dasunt> The old configuration of the outward-facing port on the firewall is .162
14:20 <@Evilpig> okay.  try this.  take a PC.  set it up on .162 and make sure you can get out to the net
14:20 <@Evilpig> then if you do you can setup your firewall appliance to 162 and start troubleshooting from there
14:20 <@dasunt> Right now, the router is (internal) 192.168.0.1 and (external) .161
14:20 <@dasunt> Do I have to change the router's internal IP address?
14:20 <@Evilpig> external has to be .162
14:21 <@Corydon76-vcch> Uh, what exactly are you configuring here?
14:21  * dasunt tries this again.
14:21 <@Evilpig> okay so why are you adding a second set of nat?  
14:21 <@Corydon76-vcch> Is this a Cisco router or piece-of-shit Linksys?
14:21 <+coil> ur a piece of shit linksys@!!!!@!
14:21 <@Evilpig> someone find a whiteboard
14:21 <@dasunt> Corydon76-vcch: Oh, PoS Actiontec DSL modem.  ;)
14:21 <@Jagobah> :O
14:22 <@dasunt> Yah.
14:22 <@dasunt> Hmmmm, lets try this.
14:22 <@dasunt> This is the setup I can't get working.
14:22 <@Corydon76-vcch> Oh, the external address of the DSL modem is a public IP?
14:22 <@Corydon76-vcch> That's silly
14:23 <@dasunt> Laptop (.162) <----------> (192.168.0.1) Router (.161) <----- Internet.
14:23 <@Corydon76-vcch> Most responsible network admins use a private network range for the tunnel, giving you the public IP on your internal interface
14:24 <@dasunt> The router defaults to 192.168.0.1  Do I have to burn a public IP for the internal interface of the router?
14:24 <@Dagmar> s/responsible/intelligent/;
14:24 <@Dagmar> dasunt: definitely not
14:24 <@Dagmar> That would actually be *harder*
14:24 <@Dagmar> The internal interface of the router--unless you're doing ARP trickery--is going to be a part of the network that you're using on the internal network
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14:25 <@Dagmar> You don't really even *have* to burn a public IP for the external interface of the router, provided you do aforementioned arp trickery
14:25 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Hmmm, I think I'm going to skip the arp trickery, since dealing with $DSL_Provider was fun enough when I was trying to get the VPI # for the DSL router.
14:26 <@Corydon76-vcch> Dagmar: you don't even need arp trickery, just an IP tunnel
14:26 <@Dagmar> That would be overkill
14:26 <@dasunt> Hmmm.
14:26 <@dasunt> Wait a second.
14:26 <@Dagmar> Simply telling the host to answer for ARP for the public IP on the external interface and giving it routes so that it knows those packets should be sent inside is plenty
14:27 <@Dagmar> s/host/router/;
14:31 <@Corydon76-vcch> That's the way our T1 here at VCCH is configured
14:34 <@dasunt> http://rafb.net/p/faQwYu84.html
14:34 <@dasunt> There, does that clarify things?
14:35 <@dasunt> Woopsie, screwed up a bit on the diagram.
14:35 <@dasunt> Just to be clear, the router's internet-facing interface has an IP of x.x.x.161 (set by the DSL provider)
14:35 <@Evilpig> in the router / dsl modem how is the .164 .165 etc setup.  ?
14:35 <@Evilpig> can you compare those to how the .162 should be?
14:36 <@dasunt> Evilpig: Those settings are gone.  DSL router/modem was flakier than can be (would only work for certain websites), had weird settings in the firmware, so I reset everything.
14:36 <@Evilpig> way to go.
14:36 <@dasunt> The firewall looks like it is set up to forward .164, .165 and .166 to machines on the internal network.
14:37 <@dasunt> Evilpig: I know.  Although if it helps, the settings the router had looked very random.
14:37 <@Evilpig> my guess is going to be that you will have to setup a forward for the external address you want to the 192.168.0.xxx address of your new firewall
14:37 <@Dagmar> That means the router probably needs to be told to do arp for those other public IPs, but hopefully it will figure that out on it's own from their configuration data
14:37 <@Evilpig> then have the new firewall do your port setups on the 0 to the 1 address
14:37 <@dasunt> I think the router wiped its own settings out before I got here.
14:41 <@Evilpig> I have a setup like that for a customer that has bellsloth dsl.  we have the dsl modem is setup for their 16 external IPs.  that I did a 1:1 nat mapping to a 192.168.10.xxx counterparts.  so .161 on the outside matches 192.168.10.161 then on the firewall I put a mapping for 192.168.10.161  to whatever ip on the backside which happens to be 192.168.1.xxx
14:41 <@Evilpig> it's a double nat.  it's messy but it works
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14:42 <@dasunt> I thought about that.
14:42 <@dasunt> Hmmm.
14:43 <@dasunt> I think what the DSL provider is doing is setting up .161 as the route for .162-.166
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14:49 <@Evilpig> you know you work with fucking incompetents when you get a list for shit to do that includes:
14:49 <@Evilpig> Front Page on Win XP in H9 - Neither Austin or Frank could do it.  
14:49 <@Evilpig> two fucking techs from my office couldn't install FRONTPAGE.  WTF?!?!
14:50 <@Shadow_Phone> how hard is it to put the cd in and install frontpage?
14:50 < vapor_pda> I would hope its because the MSI libs are messed up and erroring out.
14:50 <@Shadow_Phone> even that has a fix
14:51 <@Evilpig> Shadow_Phone: it isn't that hard.  I have installs on the server you just have to double click
14:51 <@Evilpig> they are fucking worthless
14:51 < vapor_pda> it does but it requires a little more technical knowledge than inserting a cd
14:51 <@Shadow_Phone> vapor_pda: which the people working in Evilpig's office should know how to do
14:51 <@ware> Evilpig: hire me!
14:51 <@ware> so i can play WoW all day and get paid
14:51 <@Evilpig> I have to drive 2 hours to install frontpage.  
14:52 <@ware> hahahaha
14:52 <@Evilpig> ummm when exactly do I play wow?
14:52 <@ware> ftl
14:52 <@ware> me homie
14:52 <@Evilpig> I'm on the road 4 hours a day
14:52 < vapor_pda> no questioning there.  I just find that there are way too many techs out there that cannot for whatever reason figure out how to use google to find answers to issues like that.
14:53 < vapor_pda> evilpig, can you just use remote desktop to install the software?
14:53 <@Evilpig> no
14:53 <@Evilpig> novell network not MS
14:53 < vapor_pda> IPX?
14:54 <@Evilpig> IP
14:54 <@Evilpig> but I don't have remote desktop on
14:54 <@Evilpig> half of this list is "can't get on internet"  or "blocked by bordermanager"  9 times out of 10 the local firewall is on blocking the client from talking to the proxy server
14:55 <@Evilpig> and I know those two dumbasses spent at leat 6 hours in that school.  I'll put in 2 and do everything that they did again, but right.
14:55 < vapor_pda> that sucks dude.
14:56 <@Shadow_Phone> fire them
14:56 <@Shadow_Phone> or tell your boss to explaining that
14:57 <@Evilpig> making one of the two meet me there tomorrow and I am gonna ream his ass
14:58 <@Shadow_Phone> heh, i think thats is coverred in sexual harrasment, hey, your job, not mine
14:59 <@Evilpig> just pisses me off when I have to go back in and do something behind someone.  they get paid just about as much as I do I shouldn't have to clean up after them.  you're on my pay scale you do your job like I do.
14:59 < vapor_pda> yep.
15:02 <@Shadow_Phone> agreed
15:02 <@Shadow_Phone> constantly having to followup on tickets cause people are to lazy to do it themselves
15:02 <@Shadow_Phone> and they get the credit for simply opening the ticket
15:03 < vapor_pda> these are the kind of tickets I take to managers and ask them to explain why this is in my queue.  That has more often than not fixed many a problem.
15:04 <@I_am_Naked> shit! I am wetter than Catonic was after that train ran on him the other day
15:04 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/ComputerRepair9-21.doc
15:04 <@Evilpig> that is what I just got emailed about this
15:08 <@Shadow_Phone> nice
15:10 < vapor_pda> *shakes head*
15:44 <@Shadow_Phone> gah,closing 3 months worht of tickets
15:44 <@Shadow_Phone> my head hurts
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15:46 < digiears> afternoon
15:46 < vapor_pda> holla
15:47 < digiears> wazzup?
15:48 < vapor_pda> having to learn myself some sharepoint.  you?
15:49 < digiears> watching my son play with his trains and job searching
15:51 < vapor_pda> that sucks man.  any luck with the searches?
15:52 < digiears> gonna interview with Comcastic tomorrow for an installer job....*sigh*
15:52 < digiears> pays better than sitting at home
15:52 <@Evilpig> worlds smallest class photo http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o78/baby_face_224/MC10yearreunion2.jpg
15:52 < vapor_pda> true dat.  plus having a job can help make finding a job easier down the road.
15:53 <@Shadow_Phone> aye, i ve gotten twice the interview offers since i i changed my profile to having a job
15:53 <@Shadow_Phone> only gone to one of out 15 offers since it paid more
15:53 <@Corydon76-vcch> vapor_pda: how much do you know of XO's offerings?
15:53 <@Shadow_Phone> but the job i interviewed more was more stressful
15:54 <@Shadow_Phone> XO, holla, they do colo for us
15:54 <@Shadow_Phone> major partner
15:54 <@Corydon76-vcch> Any idea if XO can deliver a EuroISDN circuit in TN?
15:54 < vapor_pda> I have learned some about it but what i dont know I can find out.
15:54 < digiears> I'd like to wait for a better job, but my son gets loud when he's hungry
15:55 <@Shadow_Phone> Corydon76-vcch: not sure about that, not sales team
15:55 <@Shadow_Phone> i do mainly circuit monitoring
15:55 < vapor_pda> I would be suprised if they can but let me go ask for ya.
15:55 <@Shadow_Phone> of stuff already established
15:55 <@Corydon76-vcch> Here's the issue.  There are a lot of integrated ISDN modems that will do EuroISDN, not any form of American ISDN, for telephone circuits
15:56 <@Shadow_Phone> still cant help you, cause im not sure thwat they offer
15:56 <@Shadow_Phone> we just support the customers after they buy from our sales team
15:56 <@Corydon76-vcch> American ISDN seems to have put a whole lot of extra requirements into the circuit that simply aren't necessary for the underlying service
15:57 <@Corydon76-vcch> and if we could find a CLEC that could do EuroISDN in TN, we'd have a whole lot of business for them
15:57 < digiears> sorry for the ignorance, what's in the isdn that can't be done via VPN on the interweb?
15:57 < digiears> or another tunnel
15:57 <@Corydon76-vcch> digiears: voice calls over the PSTN
15:57 <@critch> Corydon76-vcch: why aren't you just looking for the phones and BRI cards with an asterisk box
15:58 <@critch> digiears: not all ISDN is data
15:58 <@ware> BEHOLD! The hand fork of Truth!
15:58  * digiears did ISDN audio connections in the 90's
15:58 <@Corydon76-vcch> critch: BRI cards are exactly it.  But they will only work with the EuroISDN protocol
15:58 <@critch> digiears: I did ISDN for voice and dta in the 90's to my home
15:59 <@critch> Corydon76-vcch: Okay, and if you want more than a pair of channels, you almost are cheaper getting the PRI
15:59 <@Corydon76-vcch> critch: where are you finding a PRI that cheap?
15:59 <@critch> no, it is BRI is $90 a month
16:00 <@critch> or at least last we looked for bussiness rates
16:00 <@vaneck> anyone have any opinion/experience with the CEH cert? it actually looks like an interesting program but the name makes it feel a little cheesy.
16:02 < eryc> its only half of cheesy
16:02 <@Corydon76-vcch> critch: right, and where are you finding a PRI for $200/month?
16:02 <@critch> Point to point is $212, granted that still doesn't have any services on it.
16:03 <@Corydon76-vcch> critch: We would need voice service, PRI circuit
16:03 < vapor_pda> Corydon76-vcch: XO doesnt really offer ISDN anything anymore
16:03 <@Corydon76-vcch> vapor_pda: ah, too bad
16:04 <@Corydon76-vcch> BRI is the digital step between analog and a full blown PRI
16:04 < digiears> later all
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16:04 < vapor_pda> yep.  They will do it only for existing customers that use ISDN.  Almost all voice we sell anymore is VoIP over PtP T1
16:04 <@someninjamaster> http://techdirt.com/articles/20070919/102717.shtml?stupid
16:05 <@Corydon76-vcch> vapor_pda: that's too bad.  There are so many neat tricks you can do with a PRI.
16:07 < vapor_pda> apparently its avaya FTW with XO.
16:08 <@critch> vapor_pda: how much of that is to get away from the circuits and the regulated tariffs?
16:10 < vapor_pda> Honestly, probably not much.  We can provide a much better poduct offering via VoIP than we could via standard analog/digital voice lines.  And do with for a lot less on our back end.
16:11 < vapor_pda> in some instances we are even able to reduce our physical footprint by moving in that direction and that allows us to reduce energy and rent costs.
16:12 <@Corydon76-vcch> Yeah, tariffs have everything to do with services provided, not with how you accomplish that
16:13 <@Corydon76-vcch> You can completely avoid others' backbones, yet you still have to pay the tariffs.
16:14 <@Corydon76-vcch> AT&T tried a few years ago to escape tariffs by routing calls through Canada and they just ended up having a pay a large sum after a court battle
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16:57 < vapor_pda> thats enough excitement for one day.  cya'll later tonight.
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17:53 <@devemo> thx
18:04 <@Catonic_lp> I_am_Naked: are you still here?
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18:14 <@I_am_Naked> yes
18:14 <@I_am_Naked> Catonic_lp, yes
18:20 <@Catonic_lp> amazing
18:22 <@Catonic_lp> I_am_Naked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9MJUU2N-g
18:26 <@rattle> The Canadian dollar achieved parity with the USD today.
18:26 <@rattle> Today, the Canadian cold air is helping hell freeze over..
18:27 <@Catonic_lp> parity... not 1:1 yet tho?
18:27 <@rattle> It rose slightly above 1:1 today, and settled slightly below.
18:27 <@Catonic_lp> oh dear
18:27 <@Catonic_lp> I read in an article it was $1.40 : 1
18:30 <@Catonic_lp> I guess it's time to fill out these forms for candian citizenship
18:38 <@I_am_Naked> hehe
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18:45 <@I_am_Naked> yeah...so spain...they suck
18:51 <@Corydon76-vcch> Oh boy... naked man...
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20:01 <@I_am_Naked> Corydon76-dig, I am not a man
20:02 <@I_am_Naked> I`m all boy baby
20:02 <@I_am_Naked> 100% USDA pedophile food
20:04  * sdodson spews his coke across the room
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20:07 <@ChrisHanson> would you like some cookies?
20:07 < vapor_> what kinda cookies?
20:08 <@ChrisHanson> pedo cookies
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20:53 <@I_am_Naked> I want some cookies
20:53 <@I_am_Naked> I`ll do anything for some cookies
20:54 < freakn> i got cookies
20:54 <@sdodson> GET IN MY VAN!
21:01 <+coil> anything?
21:01 <+MxZBot> I would do anything for love, but I won't do that
21:01 <@sasquatc4> how appropriate
21:02 <@Catonic_lp> anal?
21:02  * Catonic_lp gets out the rapin' stick
21:03 <+coil> rat a tat tat?
21:03 <@I_am_Naked> what kinda van?
21:03 <@I_am_Naked> I only ride Ford
21:03 <+coil> fix or repair daily
21:04 <+coil> found on road dead
21:04 <+coil> wouldn't like it any other way
21:08 <@I_am_Naked> guys. I am a young innocent boy. But there is this girl at school that I would like to stick my penis into. What should I do?
21:09 <@I_am_Naked> how do I ask her?
21:09 <@sasquatc4> just whip it out, and while she's staring it, just say 'what is this, grandma with a birthday present, suck it you dumb bitch'
21:09 <@I_am_Naked> should I drop my pants or just unzip?
21:10 <@Catonic_lp> sasquatc4: Clerks?
21:10 <@sasquatc4> cruel intentions i believe
21:12 <@I_am_Naked> no way that is from cruel intentions
21:12 <@sasquatc4> indeed it is
21:12 <@I_am_Naked> hrm... what scene?
21:14 <@sasquatc4> when sebastian gets his gay friend to call the football player to make a date, the football player is tellin this story to his friends
21:14 <@sasquatc4> just saw that part last night
21:14 <@I_am_Naked> ah... your right!
21:14 <@Catonic_lp> I could swear that was a jay and silent bob line
21:15 <@sasquatc4> yea, it does sound like one
21:16 <@Catonic_lp> http://imdb.com/title/tt0139134/quotes
21:16 <@Catonic_lp> Greg McConnell: What am I? Grandma with the birthday present. Suck it ya dumb bitch!
21:16 <@I_am_Naked> http://fukung.net/v/6292/12535.jpg
21:25 <@Catonic_lp> http://fukung.net/v/710/churchsign6zm.jpg
21:26 <@sdodson> ware hax
21:27 <@wizardPC> ware can has no hax
21:45 <@someninjamaster> http://fukung.net/v/4089/STFUcomics.jpg
21:45 <@someninjamaster> wizardpc: i got mine and your dog tag in today
21:45 <@someninjamaster> wow i fucked up the grammer on that one
21:46 <@Catonic_lp> frame of reference
21:46 <@Catonic_lp> you made that grammer your bitch
21:46 <@sdodson> spelling too
21:47  * Catonic_lp beats sdodson with the STFU stick
22:02 <@ware> ware hax whut?
22:02 <@ware> ware hax beerah
22:03 <+coil> aww i cant speak
22:03 <@ware> STFU K?
22:03 <+coil> i was just gonna say something ;(
22:09 <@Catonic_lp> coil: speak
22:10  * Catonic_lp pulls coil's chain
22:10 <+coil> ?
22:10 <+coil> hi Catonic
22:10 <+coil> how are you today?
22:10 <@Catonic_lp> bad
22:11 <+coil> yep im that way too
22:11 <+coil> i wanna fucking kill everyone
22:11 <@Catonic_lp> I don't want to kill anyone.
22:11 <@Catonic_lp> maybe myself, but I'm not serious about that either
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22:21 <@ladymerlin> heya stef
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22:25 <@Catonic_lp> im gonna go shoot myself.
22:25 <@Catonic_lp> just as soon as I can save up enough money to buy a gun.
22:29 < freakn> you might be able to rent one, and just buy the ammo
22:29 < freakn> like at a shooting range
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22:29 < freakn> make sure some you do it right in front of some kids
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22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: that earlier comment was bash-worthy
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22:38 <@SkyDog_> evening all.
22:38 <@ladymerlin> whee!
22:43 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: which one?
22:43 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson spews his coke across the room
22:44 <@sdodson> coca'cola
22:44 <@sdodson> you deviant
22:48 <@Corydon76-dig> No, no, that, plus what it was in response to
22:49 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
22:49 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait, I'm a little late.
22:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: back already?
22:50 <@Dolemite> No
22:50 <@Dolemite> I'm in this mansion up in Columbus
22:51 <@Dolemite> Liebert Corp keeps it around to put customers in when they visit
22:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Roughing it this weekend, eh?
22:51 <@SkyDog_> Heya Dole!
22:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the t-bone steak was excruciating.
22:51 <@Dolemite> w00f!
22:51 <@SkyDog_> W00f!
22:51 <@SkyDog_> LadyM and I had dinner with Scott Moulton
22:52 <@Dolemite> SkyDog_ : Did you tell him that he's a fucking pussy?
22:52 <@Evilpig> I had chicken.  it was chickeny
22:53 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Did you look at the pic I sent you?
22:53  * Corydon76-dig is debating a new purchase... http://www.otterbaygifts.com/shop/singles/4666.htm
22:54 <@Evilpig> I did't get a pic
22:54 <@Evilpig> just that message
22:54 <@Dolemite> Ah
22:54 <@Evilpig> that does make the message make sense now though
22:54 <@Dolemite> Well I thought I'd sent you a picture of the stack of t-bones before they went on the grill
22:54 <@Dolemite> Liebert's executive chef cooked us dinner in the house tonight
22:55 <@Dolemite> We got to see the UPS factory today
22:55 <@Dolemite> 12 MW of power feeding the factory floor just for load testing
22:55 <@SkyDog_> damn.
22:55 <@sdodson> Dolemite: is the A/C cold and the power conditioned?
22:55 <@Dolemite> Yeah.  They've got about a 30-45 day backlog just on the burn-in area
22:56 <@Dolemite> sdodson : CRAC is tomorrow
22:56 <@sdodson> i know not what CRAC is
22:56 <@Dolemite> Computer Room Air Conditioning
22:56 <@sdodson> my a/c is liebert, ups is mitsubishi
22:56 <@Dolemite> HVAC = Household Vented Air Conditioning
22:56 <@sdodson> tomorrow i get to learn the shutdown procedure since we've got a 48 hour outage
22:59 <@Dolemite> Make sure you also know the startup procedure.  Sometimes that can get you worse than the shutdown.
23:00 <@Dolemite> Well it's waaaaaaay past my bedtime
23:00 <@Dolemite> later, kids
23:00 <@SkyDog_> lates.
23:02 <@sdodson> Dolemite: thanks for the sage words of wisdom grandpa
23:05 <@SkyDog_> from the summercon website:
23:05 <@SkyDog_> Decius is known for throwing down rants at cons about policy issues, the internet, and space aliens. He has spoken at 3 summercons, and would have spoken at a 4th if they had speakers in 2000. Topics have ranged from radio telescopes to trusted computing.
23:05 <@SkyDog_> fuckers.
23:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Evening, SkyDog_
23:08 <@SkyDog_> Heya.
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> You planning on getting a hoodie?
23:08 <@SkyDog_> Nah.
23:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Aww
23:09 <@SkyDog_> well, I generate too much heat for a hoodie.
23:09 <+coil> what do the shirts look like
23:09 <@Corydon76-dig> They're black
23:09 <@Corydon76-dig> and a few are white
23:09 <+coil> logo not finalised yet?
23:10 <@Corydon76-dig> It's finalized, but our leader won't tell us what it is
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23:10 <+coil> that bitch
23:11 <@Corydon76-dig> See topic
23:12 <+coil> wohhh a topic
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23:45 <@I_am_Naked> http://fukung.net/v/2319/bondage.gif
23:47 <@I_am_Naked> http://fukung.net/v/4194/VaginalUseOnly.jpg
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