--- Log opened Tue Sep 18 00:00:23 2007
00:03 <@Catonic> http://kphone.biz/Gallery1/Defcon-15/08082007_G
00:03 <@Catonic> ^ kevin mitnick's business card
00:05 <@Catonic> https://pics.defcon.org/data/518/medium/IMG_1602.jpg
00:05 <@Catonic> very nice dc0de
00:05 <@Catonic> very nice
00:10 <@ware> sshhhhhh
00:14 <@Catonic> damn
00:14 <@Catonic> i love defcon pix
00:14 <@Catonic> well, mostly just seeing the pix of ashley
00:14 <@Catonic> and remembering how she looked poolside
00:15 <@Catonic> like a petite version of jennifer love hewitt without the breasts
00:16 <@Catonic> I went to the gym yesterday, and if not for my gut, I'd look fucking fantastic
00:18 <@Catonic> time to run to the laundromat
00:19 <@Catonic> the only thing that rocks about the laundromat is being able to make -j3 wash and make -j6 dry
00:21 <@brimstone> go you nerd
00:22 <@dasunt> No -j6 wash?
00:23 <@Catonic> well, in a manner of speaking, there's an SMP washing machine that's capable of doing two, three or four loads in a single batch
00:23 <@Catonic> here...
00:23 <@Catonic> this is nsfw, but it's some erotica I wrote:
00:23 <@Catonic> http://www.weirdblows.com/articles.php?entry=265&PHPSESSID=d2bcaa49325b68861b59fe9309a9f379
00:26 <@dasunt> WTF?
00:26 <@dasunt> You wrote that?
00:26 <@Catonic> no.
00:26  * dasunt inches away from Catonic.
00:26 <@Catonic> it's just been a running gag between a few friends
00:26 <@dasunt> Ah, okay.
00:27 <@Catonic> we sit around and accuse each other of having sexual fantasies with clowns
00:27  * Catonic ponders what palindrome would look like as a clown
00:28  * Catonic jams ware's fax machine with photoshopped images of electra in a clown suit
00:28 <@dasunt> I should tor all of my http traffic.
00:28 <@dasunt> So far, due to forums and channels like these, I look like some kinky sick pervert.
00:29 <@Catonic> lmfao
00:29 <@Catonic> clown erotica... that's the gift that keeps on giving
00:30 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: yes, but we KNOW you're a kinky sick pervert
00:31 <@dasunt> Greatest punch line though in that erotica.
00:32 <@dasunt> Now pardon me, I need to start drinking heavily before the long term memories cement that story into place.
00:38  * Catonic gets nakes and covers himself in vanilla extract
00:39 <@dasunt> Catonic: You can no longer post kinky stories like that without postig at least 10 good clean erotic stories as penance.
00:40 <@Catonic> fuck that dude...
00:40 <@Catonic> support Maxiez and buy your porn
00:41 <@Catonic> the bitch downstairs is moving around... i guess she escaped the handcuffs
00:43 <@Catonic> I thought I heard a chainsaw earlier
00:43 <@Catonic> http://nickscipio.com/funstuff/archive23/2007-08-15_twostrokedildo.html
00:43 <@Catonic> what's the shear point of vaginal mucus?
00:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Uh, self-lubrication?
00:44 <@dasunt> I thought he meant 'shear' as in the engineering sense.
00:45 <@Corydon76-dig> I figured it was just a misspelling
00:47 <@Catonic> look at the nsfw pic and you'll see what I mean
00:53 <@Catonic> out
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01:21 <@SkyDog_> um. what's the shear point of vaginal mucus... I think I read that right. damn.
01:25 < cinotac> dunno
01:26 < cinotac> but i bet that drilldo exceeds it
01:26 <@SkyDog_> ewww.probably. It probably exceeds alot of things.
01:27 < cinotac> cmon... admit it, it turned you on
01:29 <@SkyDog_> Nah. Not the drillo. If she dried up quickly, it'd twist the hell out of that thing.
01:30 < cinotac> yeah
01:30 <@SkyDog_> oh yes! oh yes! WRRRRRR! AUUUGHHH!!!!!
01:30 < cinotac> and something like thatleads to two outcomes
01:31 < cinotac> high speed breakdown of vaginal mucus
01:31 <@SkyDog_>  ick!
01:31 < cinotac> or one motherfucker of a twist when it siezes
01:31 < cinotac> even on a slow speed that could be fatal
01:32 < cinotac> well
01:32 < cinotac> not fatal, but you'd wish it was
01:33 <@SkyDog_> yes, I agree on that one. Emergency room visits from that have got to be interesting.
01:33 < cinotac> 'well, you have third degree burns in your hootie-hoo'
01:34 <@SkyDog_> and your labia are gonna need to be rolled up before you leave the house.
01:38 < cinotac> meat curtains!
01:39 <@SkyDog_> Theatre style!
01:39 < cinotac> proper proceedure; pin em back or get em stretched out
01:42 < cinotac> fits like a glove supplies hours of hot love bitch wants a rub i send her back for a sub then i pin her to the wall
01:42 < cinotac> tell her to touch her toes here comes the ball
01:44 < cinotac> she backs up like a truck; i turn her &round and tell her suck she plays with her duck for alittle good luck
01:44 < cinotac> two fingers into the pink and one in the muck
01:45 < cinotac> she's startin ta cluck
01:45 < cinotac> and then i beat her to death with my shoe
01:46 < cinotac> film that shit in the zoo
01:46 <@Corydon76-dig> I love the returns warning on this... SFW... http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6457851
01:46 < cinotac> now you can do her too..
01:46 < cinotac> maple cemetary, fool...
01:46 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: Damn. that's pretty strict. I didn't even see a tank on it.
01:46 <@Corydon76-dig> "Before returning this item (a voip phone) to your local Wal-Mart store, please be certain that all tanks are completely empty of any flammable liquids..."
01:47 < cinotac> i contain flammable liquids
01:47 < cinotac> sigh
01:48 < cinotac> (dasunt) i just need to find a woman who will give me a hand job and let me take a dump on her chest.
01:50 < cinotac> what, no comments from the nut gallery? :-)
02:05 < cinotac> tsk tsk
02:08 < cinotac> i ahz a hungry
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07:12 <@ladymerlin> whee
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07:21 <@I-MOD> i assume alien jet robot laser is what won the shirt contest?
07:54 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:55 <@Dolemite> I-MOD : It wasn't a shirt contest, it was an art contest.  However, we are free to pick any of the entries to use, regardless of how the public voted.  And no, I'm not going to reveal which one was used before the convention.
08:01 <@dc0de> mr0nin Dolemite
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08:14 <@someninjamaster> morning all
08:14 <@dc0de> mr0nin someninjamaster
08:14 <@someninjamaster> whats up dc0de
08:14 <@dc0de> finished working out, just trying to get my head around the day...
08:14 <@dc0de> listening to some shoutcast.
08:14 <@someninjamaster> sounds fun
08:16 <@dc0de> sipping some fresh coffee...
08:16 <@dc0de> you know... trying to start...
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08:35 <@dc0de> morning MaxieZ, vapor_pda
08:35 < vapor_pda> good morning.
08:35 <+MaxieZ> howdy
08:35 < vapor_pda> hmm.  tis about time to go get me some breakfast.
08:35 <@dc0de> MaxieZ: howz things, haven't seen you in a while
08:38  * ware is in love with the little jimmy dean sausages that come in 2pk's
08:39 <@brimstone> that can't be healthy
08:43 < vapor_pda> bb in a few
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08:50 <@ware> but omg yummeh
08:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: ping
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08:54 <@Shadow404> meow
09:01 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: how much are the hoodies?
09:02 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:02 <@Corydon76-dig> $40
09:04 <@Dolemite> No, I have not heard back from them yet.
09:05 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: thanks...
09:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: No, I think we need to increment some quantities
09:05 <@Corydon76-dig> For example, ALL of the black 2XL shirts are currently spoken for
09:06 <@nachoguy> uhh, yeah, that'd be nice if there were more of those
09:06 <@Dolemite> Ok, send me the new quantities.  Besides, the spreadsheet you sent yesterday had hoodies in it, which are pre-order only.
09:06 <@Dolemite> 2XL_black++;
09:07 <@Corydon76-dig> I know, you asked for them, so I got the spreadsheet to you
09:07 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: where can I go to pre-order my hoodie after the fact?
09:07 <@Corydon76-dig> In fact, we've got one more preorder for black 2XL than we have orders
09:08 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: https://128bit.clickandpledge.com/default.aspx?ID=13754&cid=US&a=
09:08 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: make sure you choose the Null Shipping option
09:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: nevermind, I was looking at the wrong row
09:15 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: I'm a bit confused about <null> shipping option
09:15 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: as in, we give it to you at PN
09:15 <@dc0de> right...
09:15 <@dc0de> I haven't seen a shipping option yet.
09:16 <@Corydon76-dig> dc0de: it's on the last page
09:17 <@dc0de> rgr... haven't got there yet... forgot my password
09:19 <@Corydon76-dig> It's called Null internally, but the option is listed as "Not Shipped - Local"
09:21 <@dc0de> ah.
09:21 <@dc0de> ok
09:21 <@dc0de> Corydon76-dig: can't find my password, and the recovery mechanism isn't working.
09:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Give it time
09:21 <@Corydon76-dig> I can't recover passwords, sorry
09:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Their mail server is slow; it usually takes it something like 5 minutes to get through
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09:28 <@ladymerlin> heya TieFighter
09:28 <@TieFighter> Whats up ladymerlin
09:29 <@ladymerlin> not much
09:29 <@ladymerlin> working, or at least pretendding to
09:30 <@Corydon76-dig> If anybody finds out the identity of the spammer using drunkcoder.com for his spam, I'll pay $1,000 bounty for his severed head in a cardboard box
09:31 < vapor_pda> woot!
09:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I had 100 bouncebacks in my inbox this morning from that asshole
09:32 <@Corydon76-dig> which is better than last time, but only because I blacklisted about 100 badly configured mailhosts which bounce spam
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09:37 <@Dolemite> ware : You tard, you went to Metropolis with KHO?!@#$@
09:38 <@ware> yes
09:41 <@Dolemite> Man, I have to come up with a new name for you, because 'retarded' reflects poorly upon those who are developmentally challenged, yet much fucking smarter than you are.
09:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: how about 'Woody'?
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09:42 <@Corydon76-dig> for book smarts, but no fucking sense
09:42  * Dolemite ignores all references to anything wood-like from Corydon
09:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: I was thinking of both the Woody character from Cheers, as well as a friend from HS
09:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Same attributes
09:44 <@Dolemite> Actually, no, I think Woody from Cheers was smarter
09:44 <@Corydon76-dig> ware is smart, he just has no sense
09:45 <@Dolemite> ware--;
09:45 <@Corydon76-dig> street smarts, as we called them
09:45 <@rhia> i dunno, the name is apropos in numerous ways -  from what he says in here, apparently both heads are always hard
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09:46 <@Dolemite> rhia : I don't see why.  From what he's told us of her, sex with her should be akin to fucking an empty coffee can.
09:46 <@rhia> Dolemite: well, you're the one that just pointed out he has/makes no sense
09:47 <@Dolemite> yep, truer words were never spoken
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09:49 <@nachoguy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&NR=1
09:50 <@nachoguy> you guys see the taser vid?
09:50 <@Dolemite> from the Kerry event?
09:50 <@Dolemite> yeah
09:51 <@nachoguy> he went overboard and did stir up some of that shit himself, but that was still not the way he should have been treated
09:52 <@Dolemite> well we don't know what he was doing before the film started...  but rarely are those things handled the right way
09:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, the University of Florida just got sued
09:54 <@Corydon76-dig> The cops really need to figure out that they're being recorded at all times and they should act that way
09:54 <@ware> haha ill go with woody
09:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Once a guy is on the ground, and his hands are behind his back, there is no reason to use a taser
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09:57 <@nachoguy> that guy is going to get a lot of money and publicity
09:58 < vapor_pda> I think the officers acted appropriately
09:58 <@nachoguy> it sounded like he was asking (loudly and rudely) if Kerry was in skull and bones
09:58 <@nachoguy> and Kerry said he'd answer it
09:58 <@nachoguy> I really think Kerry should have walked down there and ordered the rentacops to let the kid go
09:59 < vapor_pda> Kerry was doing what he could to help calm and control the situation.
09:59 <@nachoguy> that would have gotten him mroe press time than he could possibly imagine
09:59 < vapor_pda> I do not think this guy has a legal case at all.
09:59 <@nachoguy> vapor, he said very loudly several times, get off me and I will walk out
10:00 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: once he's on the ground, there is no need to use a taser.  He was subdued (although loud) already
10:00 <@nachoguy> he has a brutality/excessive force case
10:00 < scott_> what program do you use to record shit off a hd digi cable box
10:00 < vapor_pda> Agreed.  however he was not calm, he was not being cooperative and he showed repeatedly that he was resisting the officers
10:00 <@Corydon76-dig> The purpose of a taser is to subdue a suspect.  They already had him in custody
10:01 <@nachoguy> if he hadn't been screaming like that it wouldn't have been caught on film, and he'd have no evidence
10:01 <@Corydon76-dig> The only purpose in using a taser at that point was to punish him for resisting the officers.
10:01 < vapor_pda> until the handcuffs are on, it is not a controlled situation.
10:02 <@rhia> vapor_pda: rewatch, apparently the cuffs were on by then
10:02 <@Corydon76-dig> I beg to differ.  Handcuffs are not the only method of control
10:02 <@Corydon76-dig> You can control a situation, even without touching a guy
10:02 < vapor_pda> I have watched it from now 3 different angles.  I didn't see the cuffs on.  however if they were, then I agree he might have a case.
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10:03 <@Corydon76-dig> When a guy is face down on the ground and has no chance of getting back up, he is controlled
10:03 <@Corydon76-dig> He may not be very happy, but he is controlled
10:04 <@nachoguy> he also had that big guy sitting on him, and that guy had to be 300+
10:04 < vapor_pda> I think it depends on the situation at hand there.  The cops need to do everything they can to limit their own risk in a situation.
10:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Frankly, I'm surprised that they didn't take him outside of the auditorium, first, to minimize the disturbance
10:04 <@rhia> sad thing is that, for all his annoying behaviour, he simply was just asking some questions ... not inciting a riot
10:04 < vapor_pda> They were taking him out and he pulled away and tried to run back down into the crowd.
10:05 <@nachoguy> there have been several instances where suspects were crushed or burned to death (hot asphault) by "arresting" officers
10:05 <@nachoguy> vapor, I don't think his intent was stir up a riot, it was merely the opposite direction of the renstacops
10:05 < vapor_pda> Where things went wrong was when he was asked to leave and he responds that he should have 2 minutes.
10:06 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: if they had refrained from using the taser at that point (or conversely, if they had tasered him before he was down on the ground), I would agree that he had no case
10:06 < vapor_pda> Nachoguy: I disagree there.  His intent was clearly to cause commotion.
10:06 < vapor_pda> Corydon76-dig:  Completely agreed there.
10:08 <@Corydon76-dig> From the video, it looks like they were determined to use the taser, as their new toy, no matter what
10:08 < vapor_pda> Without actually being there amidst the officer and seeing if he was still struggling or intending to some how escape or cause harm I cannot really comment futher.
10:08 <@nachoguy> vapor, I might have done the same thing, not for the purpose to start a riot to have one, but to cause some commotion to A: make sure someone is filming me, and B: hope that in the commotion, I could escape
10:08 <@Corydon76-dig> You see the woman with the taser raise it once before (when it would have been appropriate to do so)
10:09 < vapor_pda> nachoguy: fair enough, but when you being down the road of disorderly conduct you are setting yourself at certain risks.  When asked to stop or to leave and you refuse and cops become involed, the stakes have been raised dramatically.
10:09 < vapor_pda> he is reponsible for his action.
10:10 < vapor_pda> agreed there too.
10:10 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: but when he was initially asked to leave, it appeared there was no cause
10:10 < vapor_pda> er being = begin
10:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Cops are not there to muzzle speech, there are there to keep order
10:11 <@Corydon76-dig> and if it appears they took action to muzzle speech, then I have a very big problem with what the cops do
10:11 < vapor_pda> Not sure on that.  He was clearly ranting and rattling off multiple questions.  I dunno if they(students) were asked to limit their question or time.
10:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Right, that's where I'm reserving judgement
10:12 <@Corydon76-dig> I do know, however, that the Secret Service has been used to muzzle speech
10:12 <@rhia> what's so wrong with a student asking questions from the source?
10:12 <@Corydon76-dig> and local cops have been complicit, too.  That's why I'm suspicious of the cops
10:13 < vapor_pda> I find little excuse for him to be as rude and disrespectful as he was but that doesnt necessarily justify cops getting involved.
10:13 < vapor_pda> I am interested to see how this all plays out.
10:13 <@rhia> vapor_pda: agreed
10:13 <@Corydon76-dig> I wouldn't mind seeing the Secret Service attempt it and a local cop arresting the Secret Service
10:13 <@Corydon76-dig> (for disorderly conduct)
10:14 < vapor_pda> LOL yeah.
10:15 <@Corydon76-dig> watch a Secret Service agent attempt to fight a local cop and get tasered.  That I wouldn't mind at all
10:16 < vapor_pda> as for the spin being played out, that bugs me too.  The student wasn't tasered for asking a question.  That is just what precipitated the actions that led to the tasering.  whether or not it is justified.
10:18 <@rhia> didn't take it that he was tasered for his question, did note that what he was doing, in a rather loud and annoying manner, was simply asking some hard questions from the one person who would completely "know" the answer
10:19 <@rhia> and was interrupted while speaking, which made his question longer, a few times, then was shut down and lead away before Kerry even had a chance to answer
10:19 < vapor_pda> Yeah.  And I was interested in hearing some of the answers to the guys question.
10:20 <@rhia> all the rentacops had to do was quietly surround him until Kerry answered, then, if he opened his mouth one more time, ask him to leave
10:20 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: agreed
10:22 < vapor_pda> rhia: there certainly were better ways to handle that situation all around.  The guy could have presented the question better.  He could have engineered the situation better.  The cops could have been a bit more patient.
10:22 < vapor_pda> but it may have been that the cops were put into motion by the organizers of the event.
10:23 <@rhia> well, of all involved, he was the student/kid asking a question, they were the "trained professionals" ... think more of the onus lies on them than him (even if he seems an annoying git)
10:25 <@rhia> vapor_pda: even if asked to step in by the organizers - he was asking questions in a forum where people were asking questions ... he wasn't being profane or screaming anti-Kerry slurs or attempting to incite a riot
10:26 <@rhia> if they claim he was, he's one of the worst protest riot leaders i've ever seen
10:26 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: the "Skull & Crossbones" question, though, is unanswerable
10:27 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: Kerry could have answered the 1st two, then deferred on the 3rd ...
10:27 < vapor_pda> rhia: I think that judgement lies on the organizers.  Once they asked the cops to remove him from the premiss that then fall on the cops to remove him.  They approached him and he resisted their attempts.
10:27 <@Corydon76-dig> If he's a member of a secret society, then he has to answer "No", and if he's not, he answers "No", which leaves you right back where you started
10:27 <@rhia> and if the kid opened his mouth again, then they could escort him out
10:27 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: In a public forum, the cops may not remove him without cause
10:28 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: a simple deference would work: "and now on to the next question"
10:28 < vapor_pda> rhia:  now what I also don't know is if the cops asked him to calmly leave and if he resisted that too.
10:28 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: again, cops cannot ask you to leave a public forum without cause
10:29 < vapor_pda> Is a university auditorium technically a public forum?
10:29 <@rhia> vapor_pda: then the whole situation may have happened anyway, but the kid would not be gathering nearly as much sympathy
10:29 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: if it's open to the public, it is
10:29 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: also consider that it's a publicly funded university, so the grounds are owned by the gov't
10:29 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: so they have even less deference
10:29 < vapor_pda> Dunno if that was a public forum then.  Because /i dont know if it was open to the public or to special invite ie students
10:30 < vapor_pda> that may be but just because the grounds are govt doesnt mean its open to the public.
10:30 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: in my experience, they do not ask for student IDs to be presented at the entrance
10:31 < vapor_pda> k.  never been to one myself.
10:31 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: if they don't ask for ID at the entrance and turn away certain people, it was open to the public
10:32 <@Corydon76-dig> So I'd say the university is on the hook for several million dollars in damages
10:32 <@Corydon76-dig> and they'll pay it, too, along with a new training program for their campus cops
10:33 < vapor_pda> they can certainly be sued for that much.  I am not sure if they are still technically liable for that kind of fine.
10:33 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: the government is never liable to pay a fine.  Who are they going to pay, themselves?
10:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Take the money out the left pocket and put it in the right pocket?
10:34 < vapor_pda> it is an infringement of rights, but the "victim" most likely has no lasting damage that impairs his ability to acquire income.
10:34 <@Corydon76-dig> I'd say emotional damages
10:35 < vapor_pda> yeah, but that rarely gets a large sum of money in the millions
10:35 <@Corydon76-dig> and juries tend to like awarding individuals
10:35 < vapor_pda> maybe 100+k
10:35 <@Corydon76-dig> 100k if they settle.  Millions if it goes to court
10:35 < vapor_pda> yes, but judges can ammend the award given by juries
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10:36 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: true enough, but a jury award sends a message to the school
10:36 <@Corydon76-dig> "You were lucky.  Next time you might not be so lucky."
10:36 < vapor_pda> guidelines and presidence for emotional damages don't get large sums of money unless it is debilitating
10:36 <@Corydon76-dig> vapor_pda: he'll make it debilitating, if it serves his interests
10:37 < vapor_pda> that I am totally in agreeance with.  School's attornies will rip the administration a new one.
10:37 < vapor_pda> I am having a hard time with my spelling here.
10:38 < vapor_pda> can't really blame it on the touch screen keyboard anymore either.
10:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
10:41 < vapor_pda> dunno how well a sleepless nights full of nightmares of cops tasering him would do for his defense.
10:41 < vapor_pda> now, I wouldn't be suprised at all if he didn't sue and get a settlement just to keep the thing out of the public eye.
10:44 <@Dolemite> Damn.  1 out of every 165 homes in Nevada has a foreclosure notice.
10:44 <@Dolemite> 1 out of every 243 in Florida.
10:45 <@Dolemite> I don't know if that's a list of currently oustanding foreclosures, or just new filings for August, but DAMN.
10:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Really puts into perspective just how badly the mortgage industry has been behaving, doesn't it?
10:46 <@Dolemite> Yep.  Some of the stuff that Rhett was pitching to me when I bought my house was just really shady.  We stayed away from that.
10:47 <@Dolemite> He couldn't tell us exactly what factors went into the ARM...  it was ridiculously low interest at the time, but we smartly decided to go with a 30 year fixed interest mortgage
10:48 <@Corydon76-dig> ARM is fine if you're planning to sell the house before the first adjustment
10:48 <@Dolemite> which we weren't
10:48 <@Corydon76-dig> but you're at their mercy otherwise
10:48 <@Dolemite> but ARM was being pitched as the "starter loan" for people...  so they could get into a bigger house and bank on being able to refinance in the future
10:49 <@rhia> only if you're nearly positive you CAN sell the house before the first adjustment
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, fixed is a much safer bet.  You can always refi to a lower fixed rate later
10:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, we got a really good rate to start with, so I doubt we'll refi in the future
10:51 <@Corydon76-dig> When I bought my house, it was a fixed 8.0
10:51 <@Dolemite> Even if we pay off all of our other bills we'll just pay extra on the main mortgage
10:51 <@Dolemite> We got ours at 5.75% fixed for 30 years
10:51 <@rattle> Yahoo bought Zimbra..  I didn't see that one coming.
10:51 <@rattle> That's a good thing.
10:52 <@brimstone> Zimbra can't get any worse
10:56 < vapor_pda> I really think its sad the kind of damage the mortgage companies have brought about.  Not only have they harmed themselves but the tricked a lot of innocent people into ruining their credit histories and probably broke up some families over this as well.
10:56 < vapor_pda> financial problems can cause a lot of stress in relationships.
10:57 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : We have to place the order for shirts and hoodies by Friday
10:57 < vapor_pda> er but they...
10:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: Thank you
10:58 <@Dolemite> They are sending me a picture of an alternate schwag possbility since the original one is now discontinued
11:03 <@Dolemite> ok, time for lunch
11:04 <@nachoguy> brimstone, really?  we were looking at rolling it out for our users here.  what's bad about it?
11:12 <@brimstone> java
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11:16 <@someninjamaster> hello all
11:17 <@Dagmar> Well, Mr. Kerry's career is over now
11:18 < scott_> thanks dgo
11:19 <@Dagmar> I will never, ever vote for that fuck again
11:19 <@Dagmar> http://www.memestreams.net/thread/bid33203/
11:19 <@Dagmar> The motherfucker stood right there, and talked bullshit while a student was improperly arrested and tased
11:29 <@nachoguy> like I said, if he had just walked up the aisle and stopped the rentacops, he'd be a "free speech" hero to lots of people
11:30 <@Dagmar> Instead he stood there and watched the cops act like gestapo
11:30 <@Dagmar> I think there are a LOT of shils on Slashdot for this
11:30 <@nachoguy> he tried to talk over them and get attention "I'll answer his question, even though he won't be here to hear it"
11:31 < vapor_pda> Yeah, that is true, I am not a fan of kerry's but he really could have used this to great advantage.
11:31 <@Dagmar> He was trying to draw attention away from what was going on
11:31 <@Dagmar> I'm seeing people on Slashdot talking about how the guy became irate after tehy killed his mic, which is just not true
11:31 <@Dagmar> The moment the mic went dead he started to walk off and the police grabbed him immediately.  That was simply not necessary
11:32 < vapor_pda> not sure I saw the same thing then.  It didn't look like he was trying to walk off to me.
11:33 <@Dagmar> Mic goes dead at 0:13, and the cops move on him at 00:15
11:33 <@Dagmar> Two seconds
11:34 <@Dagmar> The dude is backing away from the mic
11:34 <@Dagmar> They could have asked him to leave, they didn't.  They were deteremined to arrest him because he mentioned "impeach bush"
11:34 <@Dagmar> He questioned the party line
11:35 < vapor_pda> I am not sure it was the "impeach bush" line that cause the issues.
11:35 <@rhia> but impeaching Bush won't solve anything
11:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah there were a number of things he said before then that also violated the party line
11:36 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag
11:36 <@rhia> we discussed a lot of it a couple hrs ago in here
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11:37 <@Dagmar> Neoteric: http://www.memestreams.net/thread/bid33203/
11:38 < vapor_pda> Okay I have rewatched the point where the cops approached him and it looks to me like the mic is cut off, then he starts speaking to the cops some and he approach him to escort him off.
11:39 < vapor_pda> kerry then mentions its okay, that he would like to answer the question.  thats probably the point where the cops could have released him.
11:39 <@Dagmar> They'd already made the decision to arreest him
11:39 < vapor_pda> where he go way wrong is when he starts struggling against the cops and pulls away in the direction of kerry.
11:39 <@Dagmar> before they'd taken two steps he says "What are you arresting me for"
11:40 < vapor_pda> we dont know if they made the decision to arrest him.
11:40 <@Dagmar> vendor: Well gee, man, I'd be pushing in the direction of the one person who might have the power to make the stupid go away
11:40 <@Dagmar> I think they would have said they're not arresting him if they weren't.
11:40 <@Dagmar> Duh
11:40 <@rhia> Kerry could have said, much louder, "I'd LIKE to answer his question."
11:41 <@Dagmar> Kerry could have said "no, you don't need to arrest him"
11:41 <@Dagmar> ...but no, Kerry didn't say that.
11:41 < vapor_pda> maybe, I am just saying that we cannot hear much of what the cops actually said.  this guy was hot and unreasonable.
11:41 <@rhia> Dagmar: the two comments aren't mutually exclusive
11:41 <@Dagmar> Those police were probably briefed and instructed to arrest anyone who speaks dissent, just like what goes on at all the other "town hall" meetings
11:42 <@Dagmar> vapor_pda: the cops, very clearly, didn't want their statements on camera
11:42 <@Dagmar> Because if they'd said "you're under arrest" nice and loud, it would have been obviously bunk that the guy was being arrested
11:42 < vapor_pda> Maybe... I just do not think that such things happen much anymore.  Lawsuits are thrown around so much it would not be smart to instruct cops to arrest without probable cause.
11:42 <@Dagmar> Instead, we have fuckers willing to hand the oppressors the benefit of the doubt because you can' actually hear the cops say "you're under arrest", we can only hear the guy asking why he's being arrested and the cops not answering at all
11:43 <@Dagmar> Holy shit man you are naive
11:43 <@Dagmar> This stuff is going on ten times more often than it did 10 years ago
11:43 < vapor_pda> k.  maybe.  you can attack me here.  thats fine, /I am just saying that lets wait and see what the evidence shows.
11:43 <@Dagmar> The administration is pretty much shrugging off lawsuits because they've got the money to
11:44 <@Dagmar> Dude, the ACLU just won a >$60,000 suit on behalf of two people who were ejected from a Bush speech for merely wearing anti-war t-shirts
11:44 <@Dagmar> They didn't say anything and they were arrested
11:44 < vapor_pda> there isn't some all powerful conspiracy to put down dissent.  these cops are not part of some greater movement.
11:45 <@Dagmar> A black preacher was just arrested and charged with resisting arrest LAST WEEK for attempting to attent the Petraeus hearings wearing just a button that says "I <3 THE IRAQI PEOPLE"
11:45 <@Dagmar> vapor_pda: Motherfucker there IS
11:45 <@Dagmar> It's not a "conspiracy"
11:45 <@Dagmar> It's fucking standard operating procedure
11:45 < vapor_pda> k.  And I a totally cool with the lawsuit and the reward.  that is crap.  And if this ends up being the same thing, well then I hope they get a hefty fine.
11:45 <@Dagmar> You must have missed that leak about a month ago
11:46 <@rhia> it's not a conspiracy, its a cultural climate
11:46 <@Dagmar> They are practicing prior restraint against each and every dissenter who goes anywhere near a political presentation of almost any kind
11:46 < vapor_pda> well, I am gonna end my participation in the conversation.  cause its not really worth you berating me because I think a calm and reasonable response to this should be observed
11:46 <@Dagmar> Ah, so it's okay with you if your rights are violated, so long as they pay their fines
11:47 <@Dagmar> Oh, I see, I'm not being reasonable
11:47 <@Dagmar> What the fuck ever
11:47 <@Dagmar> Enjoy your cell.
11:48 <@Dagmar> The level of corruption and the destruction of the principles the founding fathers built this country on have gone WAY FUCKING PAST THE POINT WHERE POLITENESS SHOULD MATTER ANYMORE
11:51 <@Dagmar> I challenge you to make a shirt that says "IMPEACH BUSH NOW" and step in front of a camera or attend a political rally where anyone from Bush's camp is speaking
11:51 <@Dagmar> THEN we'll see how much you like this shit.
11:51 <@Dagmar> You'll be lucky to make it in from the parking lot
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12:04 < scott_> hey anyone here had a projector bulb blow
12:06 <@SkyDog_> Yeah.
12:06 <@SkyDog_> scare ya?
12:06 <@SkyDog_> Alot of them are wrapped in stainless steel mesh, to capture the shards.
12:07 <@nachoguy> gotta love that
12:08 <@SkyDog_> Yeah. I've been around when several of them have blown.
12:17 < scott_> what would cause it to blow early
12:17 < scott_> it still had 1500+ hrs on it
12:17 < scott_> fan is working
12:17 <@Dagmar> Another even closer view to what was going on  http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html
12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> That's MTBF
12:17 < scott_> i can only think of foul play
12:17 < scott_> i wasn't there when it blew
12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Half of the lamps last shorter, half last longer
12:18 < scott_> only 500 hrs on it?
12:18 < scott_> when it says it can work upto 3000 hrs?
12:18 < scott_> i think that's bullshit
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, our first lamp in the Nashville 2600 projector barely lasted 2 hours
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12:25 <@Shadow_Phone> wtf? who is to blame?
12:26 <@Shadow_Phone> i just looked at the scavenger hunt page
12:30 <@SkyDog_> You're to blame.
12:30 <@Dagmar> I blame the kiddies
12:30 <@SkyDog_> Live with it.
12:30 <@SkyDog_> Will there be actual geocaching?
12:33 <@SkyDog_> Hello?
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12:35 < scott_> Corydon76-dig, http://i18.tinypic.com/4pbmj53.jpg http://i11.tinypic.com/4kkrb74.jpg http://i9.tinypic.com/4t8sbux.jpg
12:35 < scott_> sfw...
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12:37 <@ware> PWN
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12:37 <@Corydon76-dig> scott_: ours is a lamp module, so we never even see what's broken inside
12:37 <@Corydon76-dig> It's also a whole lot cleaner to replace
12:38 < scott_> im pretty sure theres foul play involved
12:38 < scott_> like someone getting pissed at it cuz they dont know how to use it, then hitting it with their hand
12:38 <@ware> scott_: did it show up like that?
12:38 < scott_> or dropping it
12:38 < scott_> no, my roommates broke it
12:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Then they should pay for a new bulb
12:39 < scott_> they said they broke it
12:39 < scott_> we haven't seen a dime out of them for rent
12:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Cardinal rule... if you break something that is not yours, you fix it
12:39 < scott_> wtf makes you think ill get anything for that
12:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Evict them
12:39 <@SkyDog_> Kneecap them.
12:42 <@Dagmar> bury them in teh backyard, plant tomatoes, sell the tomatoes
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12:53 <@Dolemite> I blame the whippersnappers
12:53 <@SkyDog_> Of course.
12:54 <@Dolemite> They're always on my lawn :(
12:55  * Coil sets Dolemite's house on fire with thermite
12:55  * SkyDog_ users coil to put it out.
12:55  * Dolemite rubs some of his "old person smell" on Coil
12:55 <@SkyDog_> uses.
12:56 <+Coil> SkyDog_, you stay out of this
12:56 <@SkyDog_> I got dole's back.
12:57 <@SkyDog_> Us old guys gotta stick together.
12:57  * Corydon76-dig hands SkyDog_ his cane
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13:06 <@Catonic> damn... how does sleeping 10 hours result in being so damn sore?
13:07 <@brimstone> cuz you're doing it wrong
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13:08 <@Evilpig> anyone ever seen this before?
13:08 <@Evilpig> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.COMPUTER3>ping -t wilpig.org -l 4096
13:08 <@Evilpig> Pinging wilpig.org [63.149.18.8] with 4096 bytes of data:
13:08 <@Evilpig> Reply from 204.184.86.253: Packet needs to be fragmented but DF set.
13:08 <@Evilpig> Request timed out.
13:08 <@Evilpig> Request timed out.
13:10 <@Evilpig> .253 is a sonicwall firewall if that counts for anything
13:11 < tcstool> what kind of sonicwall is on the other end?
13:11 < tcstool> Pro or TZ?
13:14 <@Evilpig> P{ro
13:14 <@Evilpig> my problem is.  I have a PC that keeps d/cing from thenetwork.  I have replaced the nic now.  but while I have been sitting here I have had my vnc session d/c three times already.  so I decided to start a constant ping to see what is up.  
13:15 <@Evilpig> I did a large packet to give it extra traffic to see if the amount of data was the problem and it seems to be at least part of the problem
13:16 <@Evilpig> I'm assuming DF is don't fragment.  but I have to go find the admin password and see if I can change that.  bbiab
13:17 <@Dagmar> it is
13:22 <@Mirage> Evilpig: is that machine on dsl or something like that?  You might need to hit speedguide and test for the max-mtu.
13:23 < tcstool> I've seen the sonicwall intrusion detection features do that before
13:24 <@Evilpig> okay I just got into the firewall and it was set to breakup the packets.  
13:24 <@Evilpig> it's on a T1
13:24 <@Dagmar> It should just be 1500 like everything else
13:24 <@Evilpig> wan MTU 1492
13:25 <@Dagmar> You have some VPN or PPPoE there?
13:25 <@Evilpig> : No Interfaces have IPS enabled
13:25 <@Evilpig> neither
13:29 < tcstool> heh
13:29 < tcstool> that's interesting
13:29 < tcstool> Sonicwall has the worst IPS features
13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> I can't imagine why sonicwall is so popular.  It is, by far, the most frequent cause of networking issues
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> The only thing it has going for it is that it's pretty
13:32 <@Evilpig> found it
13:33 <@Evilpig> there is a section on the rules to allow fragmented packets and it was off
13:33 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-vcch: It's because it doesnt' cost you a skilled technician
13:34 <@Dagmar> It allows 'tards to set up a firewall and think they have accomplished osmething useful
13:34 <@Dagmar> ...and it's got the ever-important customer support phone number that middle management types masturbate to
13:36 < tcstool> Corydon76-dig:  You are so so right
13:37 < tcstool> I can't stand em, but we sell them by the truckload
13:37 < tcstool> We've even got a project coming up where our sales guys convinced the customer to replace some pretty nice Juniper firewalls with the POSes
13:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Jesus
13:44 <@Catonic> yes, my son?
13:45 <@Corydon76-dig> No, you're "Bitch"
13:45 <@Catonic> Corydon: I don't do bottom.
13:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: it only hurts if you struggle
13:46 <@Catonic> that's what I tell all my rape victims
13:46 <@Catonic> right before I stick the branding iron in thier assholes
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13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Let's see, of the people I'd expect to be members, I still don't have dues from Dagmar, Evilpig, NotLarry, ware, timoguin, polerin...
13:48 <@Catonic> "Free blowjob with paid dues"
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> "Catonic's treat"
13:49 <@brimstone> nashville 2600?
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> yep
13:49 <@brimstone> nashville 2600 dues?
13:49 <@brimstone> what do dues pay for?
13:49 <@brimstone> and what do you get in return?
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> They allow you to vote
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> and you get into PN for free
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> but you must be local
13:50 <@brimstone> that's a $25 value!
13:51 <@brimstone> how much are dues?
13:51 <@Corydon76-dig> $20
13:51 <@brimstone> per month?
13:52 <@Corydon76-dig> per year
14:05 <@SkyDog_> I am going to kill this client.
14:08 <@ladymerlin> shoul di pick up a bag of lime for when you burry the bodies?
14:08 <@SkyDog_> Nope. i am going to burn them. Then piss on them to put them out.... Then burn them again.
14:08 <@ladymerlin> hehehe
14:09 <@SkyDog_> I don't mean that in a bad way...
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14:43 <@Dagmar> I found a way to get rid of Staples clerks
14:43 <@Dagmar> :)
14:44 <+Coil> 8008135
14:44 <@Dagmar> Look at chairs, and when someone offers to help you find a desk chair, when they point to the expensive one, say "Okay, so her knees would go there" and point at the front edge of the seat, and then say "and her hands here" and tap the top of the back, and then rock the chair back and forth a bit
14:44 <+Coil> 4203133769
14:44 <@ware> haha
14:45 <@Dagmar> I figured the guy would take "sitting on" as the answer about use of the chair that would mean "I don't need your help" so I had to get creative
14:46 <@SkyDog_> Feeling the urge...choke... admins...
14:46 <@Dagmar> THey're all desk chairs with wheels
14:46 <@Dagmar> Like any sane person is going to say "Well, I need a chair to stand on while I change light bulbs"
14:47 <@ware> "well we got this office chair race coming up next week"
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14:53 < vapor_pda> heh.  thought the room was extra quite.  turns out my pda had locked up...
14:55 <@nachoguy> FUck
14:55 <@nachoguy> anyone have good reasons why it's bad to outsource your email?
14:56 < vapor_pda> my company did it.  it was bad.  How big is your company?
14:56 < vapor_pda> I can give a number of reasons though.
14:57 < vapor_pda> Loss of accountability was the biggest problem.  Even with a SLA you are still operating on the other companies time frame.
14:57 <@nachoguy> 500 users ish
14:57 < tcstool> We tried offering that for a while, it just got to be too big of a headache
14:57 < vapor_pda> Depending on infrastructure, the outsourced email may be less stable than one you can manage and control.
14:59 < vapor_pda> External limitations:  If what they initially offered turns out to be insufficient, you may be bound by contract, causing many difficulties in getting a proper solution.
15:00 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: If you have security concerns
15:00 < vapor_pda> We actually increased out administration load due to more issues, unresolve slowness, finger pointing and much more.
15:01 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: Like, let's say you're actively engaged in a field that is in direct competition with another company, and that company owns and/or operates a mail outsourcing service
15:01 <@Dagmar> Like say, MessageLabs
15:01 <@Dagmar> It would not be good to go with them
15:01 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, that's just common sense
15:01 <@Dagmar> You'd _think_ that, wouldn't you
15:01 <@nachoguy> it's common sense, people just don't fucking use common sense anymore
15:02 <@nachoguy> I need to toss someone in a cement mixer half full with lime and set it on high
15:02 <@nachoguy> what do you think that would run me?
15:02 < vapor_pda> Building on what Dagmar said, security in general can always be a question.  what policies does the outsourcing company have in place for handling security threats.
15:03 <@nachoguy> yeah, and disclosure of security lapses
15:04 <@nachoguy> it's stuff I'm planning on bringing up
15:04 < vapor_pda> for small companies, outsourcing is probably a smart idea.  but I think 500 users is to many to support in that manor.  The variables are to great.
15:04 <@nachoguy> other than media defender, I can't think of a good example where outsourced mail has bit someone really badly
15:06 < vapor_pda> while it didn't bite our company very badly, it did cost us a considerble more amount of time in both administration costs and productivity loss.  both of which can have a big impact on the bottom dollar but are also difficult to quantify.
15:06 <@Dagmar> Nah, you jsut ask managers how much of their sub-par performance they have to blame on the recent technological problems
15:07 <@Dagmar> it's *easy* to show that loss.  :)
15:07 < vapor_pda> LOL
15:07 <@Dagmar> This is the sort of thing you know to look for as a security engineer
15:08 <@Dagmar> ...because if you do anything anyone doesn't like, they'll find a way to blame it on you, so you have to know them all.  :)
15:08 < vapor_pda> that there is some damn good advice.
15:08 <@Dagmar> I can definitely say I learned that from Deloitte & Touche
15:10 <@baudburn> gah
15:10 <@nachoguy> the thing is that the "managers" decided that since they asked us to set up a test zimbra instance and they hadn't heard anything about it, they'd just outsource it
15:10 <@nachoguy> s/instance and/instance and since/
15:10 <@baudburn> ok, i know asking technical questions here is useless
15:10 <@nachoguy> security, uptime, what are those?
15:11 <@SkyDog_> Go for it baud.
15:11 <@baudburn> but.. anyone have any idea why when sending udp broadcast packets, the cksum is always 0?
15:11 <@Dagmar> baudburn: Sometimes there's good times
15:11 <@baudburn> i'm doing a standard nonblocking write
15:11 <@Dagmar> baudburn: Somtehin is broken
15:11 <@baudburn> tcpdump is always showing a cksum of 0
15:11 <@baudburn> though sysctl -a | grep cksum
15:11 <@baudburn> net.inet.udp.checksum: 1
15:11 <@Dagmar> Okay, so is this a "how do I interpret tcpdump" question or is this a "my software on the other end is freaking" question?
15:12 <@baudburn> its a "why the crap is my socket busted" question
15:12 <@brimstone> i'm freakin' man! i'm freakin'!
15:12 <@baudburn> IP (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 56506, offset 0, flags [none], proto: UDP (17), length: 456, bad cksum 0 (->161a)!) 192.168.2.1.62366 > 192.168.2.255.1800: UDP, length 428
15:12 <@Dagmar> 'cuz you're running on a mac?
15:12 <@Dagmar> I'm digging
15:12 <@baudburn> bad cksum 0.. alwyas, though sysctrl says it should be doing udp chksums
15:13 <@baudburn> heh /me flicks off dagmar
15:13 <@Dagmar> tcpdump might just be wrong
15:13 <@baudburn> hmm
15:13 <@baudburn> well, its not going through the l0
15:13 <@baudburn> but i have another computer connected, let me check that cksum
15:13 <@Dagmar> The packets arent reaching the other end?
15:14 <@baudburn> its udp broadcast, i havent worked on the other end yet
15:14 <@Dagmar> Ah
15:14 <@baudburn> but let me see what the other end sees
15:14 <@Dagmar> THat could be the problem
15:14 <@Dagmar> It might not bother checksumming packets destined for broadcast addresses
15:15 < vapor_pda> just did a capture on my laptop of nbns udp broadcasts and get proper checksums
15:15 <@baudburn> its possible, but unlikely i think
15:15 <@SkyDog_> I would think so.
15:15 <@baudburn> thanks vapor
15:15 < vapor_pda> <- running linux
15:15 <@Dagmar> So, check the endianness of the value
15:16 <@Dagmar> There's likely a bad assumption been made about what tcpdump's looking at
15:16 <@baudburn> huh.
15:16 <@Dagmar> 16 bit value
15:16 <@Dagmar> Two bytes
15:16  * baudburn kicks self in face
15:16 <@baudburn> its getting the cksum on the other side
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15:17 <@baudburn> my guess.. tcpdump hooks in before it gets sent out
15:17 <@Dagmar> tcpdump probably wasn't compiled right and thinks the bytes are swapped in the checksum, or is looking at the wrong part of the packet entirely if it's getting zeros
15:17 <@baudburn> and the cksum is done in hardware
15:17 <@baudburn> by the ethernet device
15:17 <@Dagmar> Nah
15:17 <@baudburn> Dagmar: well, tahts an alternate suggestion, though i doubt that a built in osx tool wasn't built correctly
15:17 <@Dagmar> That would just be weird and unwholesome with respect to protocol encapsulation
15:17 <@baudburn> heh
15:18 <@baudburn> either way on the other side it looks good
15:18 <@Dagmar> baudburn: You would be amazed at how often endianness assumptions burn network socket code
15:18 <@baudburn> wow, SE2600 actually helped someone with a technical question!
15:18 <@baudburn> Dagmar: well, this is an intel mac.. so anything is possible.
15:18 <@baudburn> why is network code so annoying
15:19 <@Dagmar> Fuckers see that hton functions are a no op on their platform and they get lazy and they stop using the glue code that fixes byte order for traffic and then they hit the ONE platform where it'll be different and B00M the bug manifests
15:20 <@baudburn> heh
15:20 <@baudburn> i never remember all the damn structs involved
15:20 <@shadowmoss> question about the talks at PN
15:20 <@Dagmar> that's why one should always use those glue functions
15:20 <@baudburn> tehre's like 23987492387 of them and each always can cast in weird ways
15:21 <@shadowmoss> the talk on fixing thumbdrives and hd's isn't on the schedule from what I could tell
15:21 <@baudburn> word.  thanks for the suggestion, Dagmar, vapor
15:21 <@shadowmoss> when it is supposed to happen?
15:21 <@Dagmar> Yeah, so this is why I don't generally take tcpdump at face value on a new platform until I've looked at a lot of traffic with it
15:21 <@Dagmar> ...and I was sitting here thinking ti was probably an endianness issue with tcpdump's parsing
15:22 <@Dagmar> I have a question tho
15:22 <@baudburn> heh
15:22 <@Dagmar> Are you doing this over airwaves or something?
15:22 <@Dagmar> Usually, no one cares about the checksum because the ethernet layer has correction as well
15:22 <@baudburn> well, now on to loading the firmware onto the device i'm supposed to talk to
15:22 <@Dagmar> OH
15:23 <@Dagmar> OKay maybe a little paranoia might be in order then
15:23 <@baudburn> heh
15:23 <@baudburn> ya
15:23 <@baudburn> well, i'm not happy i have to use upp broadcast
15:23 <@baudburn> but it works for the moment, thats another battle to fight in the future
15:23 <@baudburn> its jsut prototyping atm
15:24 <@Dagmar> You know people in starving nations can't afford all the 1's that those broadcast addresses use and have to do with store-and-relay
15:24 <@Dagmar> You're so wasteful
15:24 <@baudburn> yeah.. not my fault
15:24 <@baudburn> heh
15:24 <@baudburn> but people in starving nations don't have 2000+ luminare light shows eithe
15:24 <@baudburn> r
15:25 <@baudburn> :)
15:29 <@baudburn> what is a problem is when we start packetstorming other crap on the network
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15:31 < vapor_pda> you developing/testing on a production network?
15:32 <@baudburn> yes and no, depending of if i tell the app to talk on en1 or en0
15:32 <@baudburn> :)
15:32 < vapor_pda> hah
15:32 < vapor_pda> -)
15:32 <@shadowmoss> Hello?
15:33 <@shadowmoss> are there more presentations listed than there are scheduled?
15:35 <@shadowmoss> ah, looks like the one I wanted to go to has been replaced with a different talk by decius
15:36 <@baudburn> heh.. you go to the talks
15:36 <@Dolemite> apparently you wanted to go to the hard drive recovery talk
15:36 <@Dolemite> fucker backed out
15:36 <@shadowmoss> yep
15:36 <@shadowmoss> I have 2 thumb drives I need to recover
15:36 <@shadowmoss> oh, well
15:37 <@brimstone> shadowmoss, pass me the thumbdrives, we'll poke at them
15:37 <@brimstone> flashmemory is tricky though
15:37 <@shadowmoss> ok, I'll have them at pn
15:37 <@brimstone> if you dd if=/dev/zero, the data's gone
15:37 < vapor_pda> That would have been an interesting talk I think.
15:37 <@shadowmoss> I'm not worried about what's on them, but I'd like to get them useable again
15:37 <@brimstone> oh, you can't use them?
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15:38 <@shadowmoss> no, they show as an unusable file system or some such
15:38 <@shadowmoss> Both drives... I kept them in the waist pouch I used to carry
15:38 <@shadowmoss> something nailed them oth
15:38 <@brimstone> ya tried dd if=/dev/zero on them?
15:38 <@shadowmoss> both
15:39 <@shadowmoss> no, ummm, I'm not l33t with that stuff
15:39 <@brimstone> you got a linux machine handy?
15:39 <@shadowmoss> yep
15:39 <@shadowmoss> well... at home, not here
15:39 <@brimstone> pop them in and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda or whaterver dmesg shows them up as
15:40 <@shadowmoss> I'll jump on from home at some point and you can walk me through it
15:40 <@shadowmoss> may be the weekend, though
15:40 <@brimstone> okey dokey
15:40 <@shadowmoss> I'm not used to this working 8 hours, and I'm kinda wiped out when I get home now
15:40 <@brimstone> hippy, get a job
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15:41 <@shadowmoss> I gots a job
15:41 <@Catonic_lp> I lmfao when I listen to shakira now
15:41 <@shadowmoss> well, so far I have only filled out forms, but I'm assured that I'll be working at some point
15:41 <@Catonic_lp> because I know -exactly- what they are saying :)
15:41  * Catonic_lp buys shadowmoss a beer to celebrate her new job
15:41 <@shadowmoss> I have been assured that I'm on the clock and will get paid :)
15:42  * shadowmoss takes the beer, looks to make sure the boss man isn't looking, and downs the beer
15:42 <@baudburn> Catonic_lp: learning spanish?
15:42 <@Catonic_lp> si
15:42 <@baudburn> bueno..
15:42 <@Catonic_lp> donde esta bano?
15:43 <@ware> ping
15:43 <+Coil> bush
15:43 <@baudburn> me olvido mucho.. que horrible
15:43 <@shadowmoss> donde esta el bano des mejores?
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15:43 <+Coil> tengo el gato en mi pantlones
15:43 <@shadowmoss> bueno gato
15:44 < ware> you have a cat in your pants?
15:44 <+Coil> no ware
15:50 <@Catonic_lp> lol
15:55 <@Dolemite> Oh mah gawd, y'all, Britney Spears done lost custody of her chilluns.
15:56 <@Dagmar> That YouTube freak will spontaneously combust
15:56 <@Dagmar> I hope someone gets the footage and posts it
15:58 <@Catonic_lp> um
15:58 <@Catonic_lp> she lost custody of her children?
15:58 <@Dolemite> yes, to K-Fed
15:58 <@Catonic_lp> I don't really think you can call Federline a responsible father figure.
15:58 <@Dolemite> He's considered a much more stable, moral human being than she is.
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15:59 <@Catonic_lp> I disagree.
16:00 <@Dolemite> Doesn't matter what you think, it's what the court thinks that matters.
16:01 <@Dagmar> It's like someone built this giant invisible double-wide trailer over the entire LA area
16:02 < vapor_pda> yahoo news has a story of mereorite that hit peru and villagers were struck by a mysterious illness
16:02 <@Dagmar> Soon their dead will rise and begin consuming the people nearby
16:02 <@Dagmar> ...or just be really, really radioactive
16:09 <@Catonic_lp> it's probably just all the powered cocaine in the air
16:26 < vapor_pda> I think I can be as unproductive as I can be today.  cya'll later this evening
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16:52 < poiupoiu> poof!
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16:59 <@Catonic_lp> como te ilamas, bonita?
17:01 <@Catonic_lp> *se
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17:15 <@Shadow404> ¡Chúpame la polla!
17:17 <@wizardPC> suck me the chicken?
17:20 <@Shadow404> bese mi asno
17:21 -!- nachoguy changed the topic of #se2600 to: Vote for your favorite PhreakNIC artwork!  http://maxiez.com/l/worth1000.com/7YCgM.asp | <Shadow404> !Chupame la polla! <wizardPC> suck me the chicken?
17:21 <@Shadow404> hehe
17:23 <@Shadow404> man, wish i could play team fortress 2 beta over vnc,, it got released last night, and im stuck at work till 9pm tonight :(
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17:38 <@slam> hi Coil
17:39 <+Coil> i've been here...
17:39 <@slam> yeah
17:39 <+Coil> now im leaving
17:39 <@slam> bye Coil
17:39 <+Coil> kthxbai
17:40 <+Coil> well nm
17:41 <@slam> whats a nm?
17:42 <+Coil> n/m
17:42 <+Coil> nvm
17:42 <+Coil> hi slam
17:42 <@slam> hi
17:43 <@slam> decied not to leave ahh
17:43 <@slam> you goin to phreaknic?
17:44 <+Coil> no
17:44 <@slam> why not
17:44 <+Coil> unless someone pays me back which wont happen
17:45 <@slam> where do you live? TN
17:45 <@nachoguy> new mexico
17:45 <@nachoguy> he's wishing you a new mexico
17:46 <@slam> nachoguy: hi, u goin to phreaknic?
17:46 <+Coil> no nm
17:46 <+Coil> slam, you goin to n0x0b?
17:46 <@slam> no
17:47 <@slam> what is n0x0b?
17:48 <+Coil> pn, you dipshit
17:48 <@slam> oh thats not very nice bitch
17:50 <@slam> why we got to have all the name calling and shit?
17:51 <@slam> can't we all just get along?
17:51 <+Coil> answer my question then
17:52 <@slam> which was?
17:52 <@Catonic_lp> srly Coil, what's with all the hate lately?
17:53 <@slam> if you are refering to me going to PN, yes....
17:53  * Coil breaks something expensive of Catonic_lp 
17:53 <+Coil> you'd be pissed too
17:53 <@Catonic_lp> what? why?
17:54 <@slam> what you pissed about?
17:54 <@slam> lifes good
17:54 <@slam> did some woman fuck you over too?
17:54 <@Catonic_lp> tomorrow is TLAPD
17:55 <@slam> Talk Like A Pirate Day
17:55 <@slam> ???
17:56 <@slam> you all kill me with your acronyms and abbreviations
17:57 <@Catonic_lp> I used to work for NASA, it's very natural
17:57 <@slam> haha
17:57 <@Catonic_lp> RTFM PDQ before CID GOOYA
17:58 <@slam> ???????????????
17:58 <@slam> I have no idea
17:59 <@brimstone> just say no and ask him to provide a reference
18:00 <@slam> yeah
18:02 <@slam> see you all later kthxbai
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18:02 < ware> pz slammah
18:04  * someninjamaster yawns
18:05 < ware> wassuprp
18:06 <@someninjamaster> nothing much
18:06 <@someninjamaster> fixing to take a nap before i have to remote into work and fix some things
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19:33 <@sasquatc4> ahh, and so one of the greatest holidays ever is almost upon us
19:33 <@sasquatc4> joy!
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19:40 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: phreaknic?
19:41 <@dc0de> evenin all.
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19:42 <@sasquatc4> naw, talk like a pirate day
19:44 <@dc0de> sasquatc4: arrrrrrrrrrrgh
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19:46 <@sasquatc4> indeed
19:47 <@sdodson> What a glorious day.  It makes it so easy to find the gene pool contaminates.
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19:57 <@Mirage> wtf is NotLarry when you actually want him?
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20:06 <@sasquatc4> sdodson: you had a cowon/iaudio player right?
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20:08 <@Evilpig> Mirage: why would you say a thing like that?
20:08 <@Mirage> temporary insanity?
20:09 <@Evilpig> must be.  cause who would ever _want_ notlarry
20:09 <@Mirage> he was going to work on some graphic stuff for me..i was just wondering if he'd gotten anything done yet
20:12 <@Evilpig> I did a bunch of graphics stuff.  can't speak for him though
20:14  * dasunt dies.
20:15 <@dasunt> Sleep deprivation.  It stops being funny after about the third week.
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20:44 <@slam> there droping like flies
20:50 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: U2 i believe
20:50 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: ya, an iAudio U2
20:51 <@sasquatc4> that a smaller one?
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20:52 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: It's about the size of a two small packs of stick gum stacked
20:52 <@sdodson> 3/4"x3/4"x2"
20:53 <@sasquatc4> hmm, k, tryin to find a small 2gb player, and right now its between a sansa express or a zen stone plus, just lookin for other options
20:53 <@sdodson> I'd go for four or eight gb now.
20:54 <@sasquatc4> naw, tryin to go for small, and there arent any that are that small that are 4gb and reasonably priced, like those 2 can be had for 60 or less
20:54 <@sasquatc4> tho the express can take mmc cards to expand up to whatever
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21:13  * Catonic_lp yawns
21:18 <@dasunt> sasquatc4: I saw a player the other day that took SD cards.
21:18 <@dasunt> Looked nifty.
21:18 <@sasquatc4> well, dont really want an sd only player, just thought it was a nice option to have just in case i fill it up, which i prolly wont since its only for outdoor activity use anyway
21:19 <@dasunt> My car radio takes SD, so it would be nice if a portable MP3 player used that for memory, IMO.
21:19 <@sasquatc4> ahh
21:19 <@Catonic_lp> fuck
21:19 <@Catonic_lp> i am dragging ass all the sudden
21:20 <@brimstone> anyone know of vmware player can boot another partition?
21:20 <@brimstone> instead of a disk image, boot a partition?
21:20 <@sasquatc4> i think the actual vmware app can do that
21:21 <@sasquatc4> just not the free player
21:21 <@brimstone> i'm pretty sure the vmware app can, but i was hoping the player could
21:21 <@Catonic_lp> i totally forgot i have ramen at work
21:23 < ware> mmm ramen
21:23 < ware> good cal
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21:26 <@dasunt> brimstone: The app is free now, I thought.
21:26 <@brimstone> orly?
21:28 <@sasquatc4> naw, just the player is free
21:28 <@sasquatc4> the full fledged workstation still isnt
21:35 <@Catonic_lp> I really should stop listening to Shakira at some point
21:36  * Catonic_lp dances with himself
21:39 <@Catonic_lp> I think I have found my calling
21:40  * Catonic_lp starts a second career as a salsa dancer
21:41 <@dasunt> I read that as "I think I have started cutting [myself]"
21:41 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: server is free yo
21:42 <@sdodson> err brimstone ^^^
21:42 <@brimstone> for windows?
21:42 <@sdodson> http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
21:42 <@sdodson> lrn2website
21:42 <@brimstone> i've not yet
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21:49 <@Catonic_lp> i cant fuggin think tonight
21:50  * Catonic_lp pokes shadowmoss 
21:51  * Catonic_lp pokes the channel
21:54  * Catonic_lp gets bored and goes and pokes himself
21:57 <@Shadow404> we really dont need to know when your masturbating
21:57 <@ladymerlin> whee
21:59  * Shadow404 points ladymerlin to the restroom
22:01 <@dasunt> Catonic_lp: Drink with me instead.
22:02 <@Catonic_lp> i has a paper to write
22:02 <@Catonic_lp> and all I want to do is sleep
22:02 <@Catonic_lp> i can't figure out what exactly
22:02 <@Catonic_lp> over caffinated or under
22:03 <@Catonic_lp> dasunt: do you have good clothes for going out in bna?
22:03 <@dasunt> I dunno.  Probably.
22:03 <@Catonic_lp> save some cash, go shopping
22:03 <@Catonic_lp> think flashy, trendy
22:04 <@sasquatc4> yea, get yourself a trucker hat, and a shirt with some sort of collar so you can pop it
22:04 <@sasquatc4> oh and dont forget the pre-worn jeans
22:05 <@Catonic_lp> I wouldn't go as far as the popped collar
22:05 <@Catonic_lp> the objective is to look good, not like a fratboy douche
22:07 <@dasunt> Catonic_lp: Nah, I go lame.  ;)
22:08 <@sasquatc4> huzzah! snow in vail
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22:12 <@Catonic_lp> http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110168135982&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting
22:12 <@Catonic_lp> ^ that's mah baby
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22:13 <@sasquatc4> mmmm, seksi
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22:15 <@Catonic_lp> apparently it's 1980 vintage :-/
22:21 <@dasunt> This channel bot is broken.
22:21 <@dasunt> (20:22) <dasunt> -1^.5
22:21 <@dasunt> (20:22) <brick> 4294967295
22:22 <@sasquatc4> wtf
22:22 <@dasunt> Hmmm.
22:22 <@sasquatc4> looks like someone doesnt get i
22:23 <@dasunt> The bot's answer is 2^32-1
22:23 <@dasunt> Which is weird.
22:24 <@sasquatc4> naw, that makes sense
22:24 <@sasquatc4> 32bit number
22:24 <@dasunt> How does it calculate that for 'i'?
22:24 <@sasquatc4> it just freaks out, but thats prolly why
22:25 <@sasquatc4> well square root of a negative is gonna have i in it, they would just have to teach it how
22:25 <@sdodson> eh'bay?
22:26 <@sasquatc4> or use a better math library
22:26 <@dasunt> I'm still wondering how it gets 2^32-1
22:26 <@dasunt> Hmmmm.
22:28 <@dasunt> I wonder what algorithm it i susing.
22:29 <@sasquatc4> yea, usually if they cant handle negatives they immediately know to use NaN
22:29 <@Corydon76-dig> sasquatc4: what about ieee754 and ieee854 compliant math libraries?
22:30 <@dasunt> Okay.  WTF?
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> 2^32-1
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <brick> 29
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> (2^32)-1
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <brick> 33
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> WTF?
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> 2^16
22:30 <@sasquatc4> i dunno, i dont really know anything about different libraries, i just know some can handle it cause they can do imaginary math
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <brick> 18
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> 2^31
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <brick> 29
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> 2^16
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <brick> 18
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> 2^2
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <brick> 0
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:23) <dasunt> Weird.
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:24) <dasunt> 2^3
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:24) <brick> 1
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:24) <dasunt> 2**3
22:30 <@sasquatc4> i think you broke it
22:30 <@dasunt> (20:24) <brick> 8
22:31  * dasunt hands out the spam goggles.
22:31 <@dasunt> What is '^'?
22:31 <@dasunt> Ha ha.
22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> xor
22:31  * dasunt abuses the bots.
22:31 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: ?
22:31 <@dasunt> I'm impressed by your geekiness.
22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Err, no, ^ is "take the complement of"
22:31 <@Corydon76-dig> ~ is xor
22:31 <+MxZBot> SCO makes more sense than you, Corydon76-dig
22:31 <@sasquatc4> i think you had it right the first time
22:32 <@dasunt> '~' isn't for this bot.
22:32 <@Corydon76-dig> nothing like looking it up
22:32 <@sasquatc4> wikipedia says ^ is xor
22:33 <@sasquatc4> so yea, right the first time
22:33 <@sasquatc4> ~ is 2's complement
22:33 <+MxZBot> dunno what the heck you're talking about, sasquatc4
22:33 <@sdodson> i was right too
22:33 <@sdodson> i just didn't bother typing it
22:33 <@Corydon76-dig> I had it right earlier today, when I was helping someone out
22:35 <@Corydon76-dig> From earlier:  Oh, then you want &= ~(ZT_CONF_TALKER|ZT_CONF_LISTENER)
22:42 <@sasquatc4> dasunt: so, for it to get that #, what happens is that its taking -1, in binary thats 32 1's, and with the whole complement math when you convert it back to decimal you get 2^32-1
22:51 <@dasunt> *nods*
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22:53 <@Catonic_lp> wewt
22:53 <@Catonic_lp> i finally got the box at 100full
22:54 <@sdodson> 100full?
22:56 <@Catonic_lp> as in fast ethernet
22:57 <@dasunt> Welcome to 1995.
22:57 <@dasunt> PS:  Tech stocks may not be the best in the long run.
22:58 <@sasquatc4> bloody ell the leaks never end in this place, or at least they never fixed the first one
22:59 <@sasquatc4> takin a piss and go to flush and then look around see the whole toilet is wet, and i didnt think i had that bad of an aim, then i hear dripping and look up and there is just a bubble of cieling material hanging down
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23:07 <@SkyDog_> Yo tie.
23:07 <@TieFighter> what up SkyDog_
23:08 <@SkyDog_> Namuch. Winding down. You?
23:08 <@TieFighter> still in bama
23:08 <@TieFighter> thinking about a nap
23:09 <@SkyDog_> Bama. Hmmm. Fun. :)
23:09 <@TieFighter> its ok
23:09 <@TieFighter> beats new ho
23:09 <@SkyDog_> Hell yeah it does.
23:10 <@SkyDog_> Quantico is better than NewHo.
23:11 <@TieFighter> of cousre i miss the red head and my buddy who rocks "in big blue font"
23:12 <@SkyDog_> Haha! I miss Tim. Well, I have missed him whenever I have tried to hit him with my truck. I think about him whenever i walk past a Lenny's to go eat somewhere good.
23:12 <@SkyDog_> I do miss the redhead though. Sigh.
23:13 <@TieFighter> i have eat lennys since
23:13 <@SkyDog_> Why? No money?
23:13 <@SkyDog_> :)
23:13 <@TieFighter> so hows my laptop?
23:14 <@SkyDog_> Um, It's fine. :) It's at my office, waiting for my ass to actually show up there.
23:14 <@SkyDog_> I'll be going there tomorrow morning. I'll get to work on it then.
23:15 <@SkyDog_> When you want it?
23:15 <@TieFighter> good thought you might be looking at all the pics of my wife
23:15 <@SkyDog_> Um, ok...
23:15  * SkyDog_ makes a mental note.
23:16 <@TieFighter> think you could bring it to the next meeting?
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23:17 <@SkyDog_> Yeah, that's not a problem at all.
23:17 <@SkyDog_> I mean, i wouldn't want to hang out with me either.
23:18 <@TieFighter> lol
23:19 <@TieFighter> come on down we can go to lunch tomorrow
23:20 <@SkyDog_> Hmmm. I may be able to swing that, depending on what the clients in LaVergne have going on.
23:20 <@SkyDog_> I have to teach them to use Nagios, NTOP, and SNORT.
23:21 <@TieFighter> i will ring you when i get back
23:21 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
23:21 <@TieFighter> we can sit something up maybe next week
23:22 <@SkyDog_> That works too.
23:22 <@SkyDog_> Thursday I have to goto chattanooga, so I will be out of pocket.
23:22 <@TieFighter> unless you want to come to bama this week
23:23 <@TieFighter> i will be here until fri
23:23 <@SkyDog_> I'll pass.
23:23 <@SkyDog_> I didn't catch that you were in bama till friday. I'll pass on driving anywhere more than two hours right now.
23:23 <@TieFighter> yeah i would not want to go to lunch with me either
23:23 <@SkyDog_> At least you have come to grips with it...
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23:24 <@SkyDog_> How's bama going?
23:24 <@TieFighter> citrix all day all the time
23:24 <@SkyDog_> woohoo! Gotta  be fun.
23:24 <@TieFighter> its ok
23:25 <@SkyDog_> Is the porn expensive in your hotel room? :)
23:25 <@TieFighter> it is cool as shit as long as you control the citrix farm and AD
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23:26 <@TieFighter> nah i dont need it i keep the goomahs going in and out on rotation
23:27 <@SkyDog_> Send a few of those goomahs by my place man!
23:27 <@SkyDog_> Hook a brother up!
23:27 <@TieFighter> yea you know me
23:28 <@SkyDog_> Yup. You have hot chicks on your contact list in that damn phone.
23:34 <@TieFighter> time to sleep i will call you next week SkyDog_
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